Unpaid And Underrated - 174 : It Is What It Is (ft. Big Mike)

Episode Date: September 8, 2026

This week Brandon and Keith get to know Big Mike. They dive right into great topics like boy scouts, hydration, tying flys, NASCAR, and floods. Links Ü&Ü Hoodie Massenomics x Ünpaid and Ünderrated Colab Get Your Own Keith Head Follow The Podcast On Instagram @unpaid.underrated.podcast Online UnpaidInternPodcast.com On Youtube @Unpaid.Underrated.Podcast Our Guest On Instagram @heybupper Our Hosts @keithhoneycutt73 or his orange gym, @thenowhinecellar @odoyle_basement_lifts Special Guest: Big Mike.

And welcome back to episode 174 of the unpaid and underrated podcast, a podcast by crew for crew. I'm one of your host, Big Keith, joined this week by Mr. Brandon Doyle as my co-host. And we have Big Mike E. Mike Earhart? Erert. Oh, wow. I would have kept guessing and not been correct. Think of like a record stretch.

Oh, Erd. There we go. That's good. That's good. All right, boys. Welcome, welcome. This is the unpaid and narrated podcast. We're kind of have a little fun here, shooting some shit on general topics. But we have Brandon joining us this week as a co-host.

So I've kind of been enjoying these run-a-co-host and giving them a chance to kind of just catch up on their life. So Brandon, you had that big YouTube video a couple weeks ago come out, maybe a month or so ago now. Did you get any good feedback on that or did you get a bunch of new followers? Not necessarily a bunch of new followers, but tons of new feedback. tons of good feedback. I think everybody really enjoyed it. It's actually just a fun experience. I mean, Keith, you've been there.

You've had a gym tour. And just seeing, you know, just how the cake is made is kind of cool. You know, just having the guys in there and doing a tour and just seeing the other side of it's really cool. So, yeah, there was a lot of fun. I've had a lot of good. I mean, that whole week was just a blast at home gymcon also. So it's been kind of coming down from that the last few weeks. So, but, yeah, it was awesome.

Now, did you end up getting all their stuff palletized back to them? Or was it just like eight, six big boxes that were like $70 a piece to UPS? Yeah, it was like, it was five boxes. And I think they, they weighed like 30 pounds or less each. Like there really wasn't that much stuff. I mean, it was there was like every size t-shirt, but like just a few kind of thing. That's why everything kind of sold out fairly quickly, I think, on the website. So it wasn't bad at all.

Tanner shipped me some shipping labels. So all I had to do was weigh them, tell them how much they weighed and he mailed me the labels that took them to UPS store. So it's pretty, pretty easy. Oh yeah. And how is that a coy pond in your gym coming along? So that's the whole story in itself. Yes. So it's actually pretty funny. So that I think we have a group chat with, I have a group chat with Keith, Jackie, and Debo. And that night, I figured you I would get a kick out of at least because a lot of my buddies here, you know, necessarily might not lift or might not understand the whole home gym life kind of thing. So I'm downstairs in the basement gym and I hear Emily's home.

She got home and my daughter's up there with her. And I'm doing low rows. So I have a bells of steel plate loaded lat pull down tower. So it's got a cable pull with the top, cable pool at the bottom. I'm sitting on the floor doing low rows. And then about a month ago, I noticed. at the top cable, like had a bolt going through it. But when I would do face pulls, like it would scrape against the coating on the cable.

So it's like, all right, I'm going to take this out. There's no reason for that there. Well, apparently there is a reason for to be there. And when you're doing low rows, it can make the attachment you have a top pop out of the holder at the top. So it basically at 10,000 miles an hour snapped out of the top holder, broke a water pipe. It sounded like a bomb was going off. Emily comes running downstairs, of course, and then she sees that the basement already has half an inch of standing water in it, and I'm like running to the shutoff.

So that was a, that was a pretty good experience. It's got to pull all my stall mats out and, you know, dry everything off. I got to see how fast things just immediately flash rust, you know, that never sees a bunch of humidity or anything. I've been lucky in the basement that, you know, really don't have hardly any rust until that happened. but so it was a fun experience I guess but I'm glad it's over the ironic part of that is didn't your main water shut off actually make the YouTube video and Tanner actually pointed it out or he did point it out yes so that is funny and that was probably oh it was a week after that you know or a week maybe after the video came out so that is funny I'm lucky it was probably it took me five

seconds from getting or from breaking it kind of understanding what was going on and like sprinting to the shut off. But like when Emily came down, I mean, I was already legitimately soaked head to toe. Like it was so much. And like it took me a second just like amid, you know, it feels like the cable broke or something is what I thought because I just like lose all tension. And I'm like confused for a second. Then I'm drenched in water, so I'm even more confused. I know I'm sweaty, but what the hell's going on here? Yeah, so I've not done low rows since. I immediately changed my programming to a different accessory for the next block.

That's good. I enjoyed making some memes about that the last few weeks, so it was good to get that story. Yeah, I did know you didn't put that out there publicly, so I had to put you on the spot today to see if you want to say. Oh, no, that's fine. Yeah, it's better with the story because it's just like, oh, oh, you know, a pipe broke in his basement. And like, that's nothing. But, you know, to me to be the cause and me to get, you know, basically just doused in water. Like, I just got out of a wave pool to tell what I was.

Well, let's see. I'm paid underrated discord. So this is our private discord, not necessarily the, so we, we like you to go to the art channel and massonomics page and do all the chit chatting about the podcast there. But the one added benefit of being a guest is you do get to get access to our, you know, private discord that's basically, just where we, you know, initially it was just where we threw the show link. But then now it's in the last three years. It's grown to have about seven or eight separate public channels that everyone in that chat can access. And the video games and the movies and TVs have been blowing up lately. So if you are a past guest and you're not aware of this or, or if this maybe motivate you

to want to be a guest in the future, you know, slide in those DMs and we'll get you, you know, maybe scheduled someday. But I just was pointing that out because I think someone was even talking about how they wanted a book's chat in the massonomics podcast or something. And I was like, well, you know, come on to you and you. And you can come hang out in our book, Discord chat. So I just want to kind of plug that because some people might not have been aware of it. This week's YouTube video, anybody get a chance to watch, what is it? The rabbit, no, what the hell is the name of the gym?

Oh, man. I don't feel that. Yeah, I'm trying to figure it now. Bucks. It was his dad's, it was his dad's nickname. Yeah. But it was the rabbit, like the jacked rabbit was the logo. And they were talking about dead rabbits.

And they were like, they were all just sitting there like dumb. Like, what was the name of the movie? And I'm like, God damn it. It's ganges of New York. It's fucking gangs of New York. You're screaming at your, it's probably your phone, I'm assuming. Yes, it was my phone in the background while I was driving home from work. Yes, that was a thing.

But yeah, it was a good tour. very interesting that that gym just popped up in Aberdeen and the biggest thing that stood out that was the one so everyone's not familiar that was the one that had the

barbell as the handrail so if that alone doesn't motivate you to go watch it it should but he had built it all last year. Yeah that's what I would say I thought I mean a lot of this stuff is very available like budget equipment

but it's like he picked the nicest budget equipment that's offered so like and for one year like that's a heck of a space to have you know like uh yeah i'm not a huge machine guy but if i was then the machines he got made made sense so anything uh sorry go ahead anything jump out to you from the episode mike i i didn't get to watch it i um i intended to watch it on my lunch break and then um because i know how much you uh ride people who don't watch it every week uh no i i tried to watch it at lunch but i got i got pulled in it or something else so um i'm going to watch it

tonight after this is over. That's all good. It's all good. It was a good one. What were you saying, Brandon? I was going to say any new PRs for you, Keith? I did, man. I've been having a pretty decent run here. So I've been working with Jake the last, I think this is the start of the end of week five maybe. And just tonight, I hit a 400 pound Mars bar double, which for me was like a 15 pound Marsbar double PR and a 10 pound overall squat PR. So for a double that is. So very cool. I had definitely it's a little bit left in the tank. I had more left in the tank than I thought I would, because he had a program at a 9.5. But then he had like an asterisk of like leave one grinder in the tank. I'm like, well, I don't think you and I have the same understanding of what 9.5 equals. So I was like, fuck it. I did. I'm squatting 400 pounds for double. I don't care. Like if it's a fucking RPA 11 or if it's RPE 8, like, we'll see. But I always kind of figured it being it was going to be a nine and a half. And like not have anything left in the tank. But it was pretty fucking smooth. And it was probably like an 8 and a half. I was very... I was not to say it looked like an eight.

Yeah, I was very stoked with that. And then just last week, I hit a circus dumbbell PR of 140. Yeah, which was like a six or seven pound all-time single PR on circus dumbbell. So like with Jake and I were doing like full off-season stuff right now. He's not really doing any strongman programming other than like some sandbag carries and shit. But I have the luxury to have a really good strong man group locally. So I still go there and do some strongman stuff pretty regularly. early and which was the funny story is essentially that when I had my meeting with Jake a couple

months ago, you know, it was like, yeah, I can really only train three days a week and maybe sometimes I'll make it to the strongman gym for a fourth day. And then he had DM me the other day kind of making fun of me. It was like for like five weeks in a row, you've trained four days a week. For someone that told me he was only going to train three days a week, so kind of got a kick out of that. But yeah, everything's going great. I got some decisions to make if I want to do a strongman show this December. I'm still towing with the idea of doing a powerlifting meet. in October, but I really don't want to, but I kind of do. I just kind of want to just go squat something.

I wish it was a squat only meet and I could only pay like 60 bucks, but to pay like $120 to just go hit a really big squat PR and then like shit the bed on bench and kind of pull the same deadlift. I've probably always pulled. So I don't know, but we'll see. I mean, still could get a total PR though if you hit a huge squat PR. You have to be close on the bench. I had to do the mat.

No, I will not be close on the bench. Oh, okay. My, my pecks hurt so bad when I bench right now and my shoulder hurts so bad when I bench. Like, I don't know what it is, but like, I probably couldn't bench like 2.30, 240 right now if I wanted to. If I had it. Whereas like, it's like 50 pounds off my bench. So I'm not making up 50 pounds with like a 10 pound squat PR. And so we'll see.

I was actually doing that math the other day. Like, how much do I have to squat to only bench like 240 and still hit a total PR? And it was like, oh, I got to squat a lot. So, we'll see what happens. but TBD. This week's massonomics episode was pretty good. The legal age to buy tobacco, I did not know nationwide that changed to 21, like six years ago.

I think it was December 2019, which ironically, you know, obviously that was actually, I think, right, well, it was right before COVID, but that was more or less the time I found massanomics too. And yeah, I don't think it was, I don't think if COVID wasn't a thing, I probably would have, like, known that that changed, but I think the whole world kind of had focus elsewhere that I don't know.

Did everyone else know this? But I was the only one that didn't. I mean, I looked at it like, it had been talked about for years, right? It's kind of like the daylight savings time thing, like setting one time all year round and not forward back. I think the same thing had been the case with tobacco for years. And so I kind of dismissed it as, you know, just fodder. But I didn't realize that it actually went into law. was codified stuff.

No. But it's not something I pay attention to because I don't really know anybody who wants to buy cigarettes or chew at, you know. Yeah, everybody's on over 21. That's right. Yeah. They didn't have a good point. It seems like, yep.

Yeah, it just seems like less and less people, I mean, use tobacco anyways nowadays. Right. I feel like it affects a lot. Like when I was, before I was 18, I think 18 was the legal age when I was 18. but you could just get somebody to buy it for you, whatever. I'm sure now that just rarely happens. It seems like I never see kids like, I don't see anybody smoking hardly anymore around here at least.

Is it tobacco only or is it any nicotine product? Because they have like the Zin pouches and stuff. I think it is in which should be included with that, but maybe not. And I don't know. And then like the vapes and shit, I mean, some of the vapes have, like a lot of the vapes have nicotine on them, don't they?

Yep. I don't know. but that was just interesting. The whole Jackals' Gym thing being a full decade ago and then like them taking that kind of template to turn it into Masonomics was kind of a cool

anybody else anything jump out at them from the episode? I don't like I don't remember much from the first tour but this this like listening to this episode had me amped up. I was ready to go home and train I listened to yesterday and

I have had a couple things to do in prep for my or my deal-load week, but I was, I was pumped to train. It was kind of like, they said a lot of the things that I believe about, like, we're in this home gym renaissance where everybody's buying all the fancy new shiny toys and like, you know, the longstanding wisdom is you just need some bar and some plates and you can get strong. So keep it simple. But that's, so it had me, I really like this week's episode. Yeah, that's the exact same thought I had.

Like we're somewhat recently removed from Home GymCon. And I like tried out all these new, you know, digital resistance machines and all these fancy machines and everything. And then like I saw a bunch of the, you know, whatever stories or whatever that Tanner had shared on Instagram from them going to Jackal's Gym. And I'm like, these dudes are just lifting weights. And, you know, like it's kind of like they were saying like what their programming is. like I get so in the weeds nowadays about like oh I only hit that for two I didn't hit it for three or you know like you know worried about what RPE I'm hitting and things like that and it's like these guys are just lifting heavy and they're doing it the same night every week and then they're coming back next week and they're lifting heavy and sometimes I think we overthink it a little bit and I'm actually excited for the YouTube video whenever that comes out I'm assuming there's going to be a tour because I think he said they toured it. Yeah I said it was uh he said that one more than any was going to be a walk. podcast, I think.

I believe that's the one of it. Times. One thing that stuck out was they saying, even still today, they're, you know, they're adjusting the J-Cups up and down, like constantly on squats

because they're not, like, that just seems, I've had to do that a few times in my life, and it's miserable. It makes you almost want to go buy a fucking combo rack or at least,

like, we'll fucking squat with the guys your own damn height. I don't know. If they have three or four different squat racks, then, I don't know, pair that up better, but maybe they just don't have that many racks.

But that's just like it's a representation of, or it just shows like how bad do you want it? Or how into it are you? And, you know, they've, they kind of embody that spirit of just whatever it takes. Also, if there's enough dudes there, they could probably lift, you know, a bar that has, you know, two, 25, 315 on there, a couple spots. And then they're probably doing like a rising bar type lifting style, you'd think. I don't know though because the third one

like it sounds like it'll be doing working sets so like you might have you might have a die going 315 and a guy doing 500 and you're moving at four inches each time and that would that would suck balls

that's true yeah then it's then it's then it's like you have to factor in the different heights so you're you know at least a couple people are the same heights so there's maybe you only have to change it three you have a group of six maybe you have to change it twice

but even then it's like so you're not necessarily going just rising bar you're going by well okay we're going to the next height now and then you have to adjust the weight all the way back down to 200 pounds or something and then go back up and then go back down. So I don't know. It just. Yeah, that would be a pain in the ass.

Yeah, that's why I have three squat racks because when I do have people over, people don't want to squat together if they're not the same height. And we make it work. The combo is nice, even though I can only fit like three or four dudes actually lifting in my gym. It is nice to be able to just adjust it. Oh, dude, you could depending on what you could have 10 people actually get a workout in down there for sure. Like I've, we've had four. the most. They'd have to be strategic.

Like, because like five, like three people can deadlift like at the same time. And then like two or three people can squat at the same time. And you could still bench. Like you just couldn't be like, all right, you don't get to do this like fucking superset circuit.

You just get a, you know, we're going to have two or three guys bench, two or three guys deadlift, two three guys squat. Like, and then someone's just in the corner to one bodybuilding accessories.

That's kind of how it's got to go. But don't sell, don't sell your gym short. It's, uh, it made you, it made you wet and it makes me wet. Oh.

Thank you, Keith. All right. So we got some affiliates for you guys. Plate snacks, if you got any of those stickers that you need to upgrade, or if you're getting stickers in the mail or you're getting handed stickers out in person, and you're like, what the hell do I do with this? And then you have your own gym and you want to make some stickers for it. Go over to plate snacks.com, get you some code unpaid stickers there.

And then belt fit strength. Chris and Randy over there doing great work. If you have any leather needs, I think Tanner's got that. I'm curious if the dip belt's a stock item. them yet or not, but code unpaid at belt-fed strength or that custom belt or lifting traps, get you everything squared away, nice and neat. And Big Mike, what did you want to tell us about Masonomics? So I have a little testimonial. I've been here about a year, so I wanted to spread the gospel in my own way. So tonight I want to talk to you a little bit about a company that has

changed my life, Masonomics. What is Massonomics you ask? First, I'll tell you what it's not. Is that a place where you can hear a buddy caps or a Joel Seedman interview, nor is it a place where you can legally buy beer, parody clothing, like some other schmuck brands? It's also not a cult. We are a crew, just a group of completely normal strength enthusiasts who happen to enjoy and share, or we all enjoy and share the same thing. For instance, everybody here likes to eat the exact same limited selection of foods every single day and track them in macrofactor code masonomics.

Is it mandatory? No, it's just heavily encouraged through intense pure pressure. We all love chicken bakes, cottage cheese, and sparkling water. All of us. Even Gary, our resident goblin lord, who is severely lactose and gluten intolerant, eats them with a smile. As for the supporting membership fees, much like Amway or Cutco, you aren't paying to have friends.

You're simply making a recurring monthly financial contribution to a couple of charismatic guys in South Dakota to be part of a network of like-minded peers, who will only talk to you if your credit card clears every month. We even have our own factions within the cult, I mean crew. We've got Mommy's snack pack, we've got the Wolfpack, we've got Team Hide in Strength, and many others. They all let us be ourselves for short supervised periods of time. To be honest, I've really learned to embrace the uniformity since joining the crew last year.

We all train on the exact same equipment while wearing the same outfits. We're encouraged to show our enthusiasm for strength training and the home gym life by being asked to only use strength code plates or Texas power bars. As for the clothing, we all wear barefoot shoes, Code Massenomics, and Silly Goose comfort color T's, but that's because they show people that we know how to live easy while we lift hard. Speaking of lifting hard, we all use the same training protocols from one of three approved sources, Jackals Gym,

Hayden's Strength, and Juggernaut AI Code Masonomics. We have so much fun together. A few times a year, we're summoned to one of four. places for a congregation of the crew. At these events, jackets are bestowed upon only the most loyal crew while the rest of us fight for silly pints and band merch. Then we laugh and crack jokes with one another. And when we happen upon a good joke, we repeat it and then we repeat it again. And then we say it every day for four years until the original context is completely erased and it becomes lower. It's so funny, and I can't help but laugh every time because they'll

bring out the belt fed strength dip belt if I don't head over to massanomics.com today buy the apparel, buy the flags, don't buy the hats, join the crew, become the crew. Thank you. Very nice. That was good. Got some nose breaths there. Yeah. You might even answer some of the questions coming up, but that's okay.

We'll just ask them again. It's right. All right. Big Mike. We're going to get this interview, Rowland. So now from here on out, it's going to be all about you. buddy. Go ahead and introduce yourself. We need to know your name. Where you're from? I always screw that up. Well, that's a question to come later. Like, name and we're

going to find you at online. Sure. Yeah, names Mike. You can find my Instagram at Hey, Boper, Discord, Big Mike E. Not super big on Facebook. Jim Radar, Schlicht Strength is my gym. So that's most active on Instagram and Discord. If you're looking for me. Nice. And what's the, the, the, hey, bupper. I was always always confused of what the hell that is. I don't understand what that is. It, it's a, it's a regional nickname that people call each other. So we just, I grew up in, um, uh, it kind of a, I don't know, the cold, basically a cold region, uh, or like a, um, Pennsylvania German or Pennsylvania or German or Pennsylvania. And that's just a nickname that, that a lot of people, you know,

If you don't know five people named book in your town or in your circle, you're not, you're not local. So it's just, it started out as a joke when we were, you know, teenagers and in our early 20s and kind of carried on for 20, 20 plus years. Well, there you go. All right. Well, what brought your massonomics and why are you still here? So I started listening. I find this interesting. A lot of people are in the same boat, but I started listening right around.

2019, maybe, you know, before the pandemic, maybe right around their first Arnold venture, or second Arnold venture. And I think it was the versus, the versus cards that got me hooked. It was when they were really heavy in the, you know, kind of the meme game. And I couldn't, I was trying to pinpoint which series it was, but I think it was the versus. Then I jumped over the podcast. So I started listening to the podcast probably somewhere in the 200. hundreds to maybe 250-ish.

And then, yeah, so I'm not an early adopter of things. So, you know, they introduced a supporting membership program. And if I remember correctly, like, it was similar right around the time when a lot of people during COVID were starting patrons and other, like, you know, other subscription services for podcasts. So I just kind of. They weren't the first one to put content behind a paywall? I didn't say that. They just, they were, they were, they were one in a sea at the time, right? I mean, you figure like all the comedians and everybody else had a podcast were trying to figure out how to make a buck while they were sitting at home.

So I, uh, anyway, I, um, you know, I, I, I listened to the podcast all through the evolution of supporting membership program. And, um, I can't tell you specifically what, what got me to join. but I think it was maybe on the heels of Lift Hard Live Easy 3. I remember thinking when they did the recap episode, it sounded like, I know they joke all the time about the three spots left thing, but at the end of Lift Hard Live Easy 3, I truly felt like they sounded tired and that they were going to do a fourth one, but they were somewhat serious about it possibly being the last one.

So I took the, you know, took the dive in for three bucks a month. You know, it's nothing. So yeah, I just joined last August. And it's, you know, it's been a great, great opportunity to meet new people. And I've really enjoyed it. So don't, no regrets. and I actually, like, I check my credit card, like, every six months to make sure it's not going to expire soon because I don't want to fall back off the list. Yeah, no, I'm in it for the long haul.

Big Mike, where do you live? Where are you from? I know that we've kind of touched on that, but. Yeah, yeah. So I live in eastern, eastern Pennsylvania. I'm right on the border with New Jersey. So the two states are separated by the Delaware River. I'm a stone's throw away from the river.

And then What else do? Just where you're originally from? Oh, well, yeah. So, yeah, so I grew up in this, in this area. So I grew up about 45 minutes north of here. And, yeah, in a smaller town, like I said, is like in a more industrial area.

And so, like, when we, our family bounced around a lot. My wife and I, I should say, we bounced around a lot in Pennsylvania. and then we spent about seven years living in the St. Louis area. And then during COVID, we had our son. We were living out in St. Louis. And during COVID, we decided to move back. And so we've been here since January of 2021,

pretty much in the same area where we started. Yeah. So you said you've been a supporting member for a year, but you've been listening for a long time. You've been around it for a long time. What's the one piece of Massonomics merch that you missed out? you wish you would have had? Definitely the camo lift hat.

I think that was one of those, you know, the don't buy our hats joke was, was, yeah, I kind of took it tongue in cheek. And I didn't realize at the time that they, like, they don't have a continuous, like, rotation of, they have a rotation of designs. At the time I thought, okay, here's kind of our house products and these things are always going to be there. And then one day that it wasn't in, no, I don't have a hat.

Yeah. It's always funny. It's similar with me with a camo rain jacket. Like that sold out and I was like, I never wanted it until it was gone. And then Tanner one day up on the Discord was like, does anybody want this, you know, like 3X rain jacket that he found in the corner or something? I don't know, the exact story. But somehow I got it after the fact and I jumped all over it then.

So it took me it took me a while to realize that the the designs come and go every couple of years. So I, I've wise up to it and I'm not as gun shy about buying stuff as I was before. That's how they get you. Yeah, yes, it's brilliant. All right. So where's tonight put you on the Hall of Fame? How's that show? So I am on eight right now.

So I just had my voice on the podcast a couple weeks ago. I got my card here just for a refresher. I'm thinking that by Lift Hard-Livisi next year, I'll hit 12, but I'm not sure. That's the goal is to get my pine at the, you know, in Aberdeen next year. Oh, cool. Are you planning, have you done Crew Falls yet? I haven't, no. But I would like to do, I'd like to do Home GymCon.

obviously that'll come after Lift our living busy next year but that would be my next thing right now it's hard to hit South Dakota twice in a year yeah yeah try doing it for fucking four years in a row you can almost drive

eastern Pennsylvania you can almost drive here right what is it 10 hours 8 hours 8 in change my wife has some family in Louisville so we uh she's she's made the drive a couple times okay yes and by here he does mean

Kentucky anyone and got confused there for a second. He did not mean South Dakota. South Dakota. I am. 20 hours. Yeah. Well, I am.

I did talk to Big Eddie and Scantz about hitching a ride next year if they make the track. Because they, Eddie is your neighbor, basically, or how far away is he? He's about, just under two hours away. But Scantz drives right by my house to get to Eddie to pick him up. So if things work out and they, they still like me in a year. I'll probably hit your eye with them.

You could save about 800 bucks in flights for sure. Sure. Yeah. So you probably weren't here long enough to get any of the supportive membership cards then, so you don't know what your number is, I'm assuming. No, I meant to ask Tanner and I, uh, he'll let you know next week.

It's probably 69. We'll just guess. No, it's a year. It's probably like a year. You're exactly a year. It's so, yeah. Upper five, maybe. Yeah, I joined August 5th last year.

So, since we blew up. I would say we had at least two. What is there like, 800 now? 700 now? Yeah, I think it's like, oh, close to nine or there's over nine. So I would say he might even be in the sixth. Probably isn't. I don't know.

We always guess this and then I never like chorus. I never remember what I guessed to then compare it to what Tanner says it is in Discord. So it's kind of just like, so someone tell us how bad. our guesses were when Tanner tells us what the answer. My answer is. I figure before, by the time I retire, I'll be close to, you know, I'll be down below 100. There you go. It's my stretch hole.

So for all the listeners at home, Mike is sitting in his home gym. So tell us a little bit about that. Is it a certified training facility? What is the gym name? I know you mentioned it's Schlitt. Shlitt? Shlitt. Okay.

So what's the story behind that? Yeah. So schlicht, you got to, it's a German word. So schlicht, you got to, like, throw that little at the end. Right. No. I still don't know how to say his last name, let alone. So it's a, it's a German word that means, or translates to, like, modest or unadorning.

And Big Flo or Big J.C. may be screaming when they hear this. But, yeah, that's, that's, so the whole, the whole premise behind. that or the idea was like exactly we're talking about with jackal's gym like i i as as like the machines and the the gyms with the black light or the black walls and everything like kind of is just so like as that started to become more more prevalent i um i kind of it was started to get uh annoyed like i like to keep it simple right because i i don't want to have to think um i want to be able to go in know what i got i don't want to have to be spending 10 minutes fiddling with an attachment or whatever. I want to go on a lift weights, you know, get strong and do it,

do it simply. So that's, that's, that's, that's the gist of it. I had, I had like stress for for months, you kind of analysis paralysis, uh, trying to pick and pick a name. And I had a, you had a whole Google Docs file with different names and I'd like cross one out. And then the next day I had uncrossed, like I'd unstrike it. And one day, um, one day I was, I was, I was, sitting here and I just like, I had my great grandfather's German dictionary out looking at something and I saw the word and I just went with it. So I just kind of threw a dart at the board and rolled with it. So it's, it's, but it's very, you know, it's, it's fitting for what the gym is. I really like that too because I think everybody kind of starts their home gym process, you know,

or at least did several years ago probably with, at a necessity of a rack, a bench, you know, barbell and some plates and then somewhere that gets lost along the line. So you having a gym name that can consistently remind you like, nope, I'm going to keep it simple. I like that a lot. That's cool. Yeah, it's perfect. I started, like the first thing I bought was a server of a sandbag.

I was living in an apartment right when we moved back to Pennsylvania. And I kept it underneath the porch at our apartment complex. And I bought her house. And I drove out to some someone was selling a yoke and like four hundred, pounds of plates and a, and a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, just a generic, like a marsy barbell, um, selling all that for $400. So I drove out to Long Island and picked that up. And, um, that's like the yoke is still my, my only rack. So it's, um, you know, like my bench, my bench I pulled out of the dumpster behind the gym I was going to. Like it's an old Valor strength, adjustable bench. Um, and the pads

were all rotted. Like the plywood was all rotted. So I, I called up Valor and I had, you know, two new pads shipped to me for 50 bucks and so for $450, I had everything I needed to get started. Wow, that's awesome. I hope you didn't pay too much for that bent propane tank circus that yeah, I saw a picture of. That looks

20 bucks. It looks destroyed as it all get out. There's no way you can even get a plate on that one side anymore, can you? Other than a five, maybe. So a heat enforcer for. I, um, so that thing's taken a beating over the last six months between Lift-Hub-Livisi and I'm prepping for Pennsylvania's strongest this weekend.

But, yeah, I bought it from across the gym for 20 bucks. And, yeah, I can fit 10-pound plates on it, but I have a rubber mallet. Yeah, so I have a mallet. So when it doesn't want to go, I have a mallet that I just beat into place. It doesn't work. But anytime I'm done, like after my last set, I'll pick it up and I'll drop it the opposite way, like the convex way so that it straightens out. And then that's how I, that's how I end my dumbbell session.

Gotcha. And is that a, is that a pit bull log I see hanging up? No, it's, um, it's a Snake River Fab log. Oh, okay. I, uh, I, I was, I was on the hunt for a pit bull one for a long time. I think even after, shortly after I joined crew, I was trying to source one out of this court, but eventually I had to, like I started with a Titan 10 inch log. And it, it became a problem when I started.

you know, in competitions, right? Going, training all, you know, prep on on a 10 inch log and then going to competition doing a 12 inch log. Yeah, the clean, it's just enough of a difference in the clean that I had to finally bite the bullet and spend money on. That cost as much as everything else you have, right? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a, yeah. Yeah, it was 600 bucks shipped, which is still cheap. It's not horrible. It comes from Idaho. But it's a good log for what it is. You know, it's certainly not a Bartos or a Roke. Still better than the Titan rackable.

So it's, it's, it's, I fucking. Well, I, I had the Gen 1. I had the, like, the one that wasn't rackable. Well, no, no. But I meant if your other option was to buy a 12-inch Titan, but all they sell are rackables now, like, I don't recommend that to anybody. I fucking hate that log. That's a good log. If you can pay 100 bucks for it, that's about it.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I, um, that's, that was what, like, I kept the 10-inch one that long because I didn't want the rackable one. Um, just because I knew, you know, with, the way I trained, it would get bent, and it'd be like my circus dumbbell, my propane tank one. All right. Well, let's see. You had a handful of people fill out this questionnaire for us.

Did you just say, hey, I'm on a podcast, or did you explain you and you or Massonomics? So how did you go about getting these questionnaires filled out? So most of the people that I sent the link to knew about my trip to South Dakota, right? they like I they were kind of in the loop with me going out for lift hard live easy so I I use that as the premise for my uh explanation is like hey you know I was just out south Dakota and this is like a niche podcast within the niche podcast um with with the people who go there and are part of the the group so um I kind of left it at that I didn't really get too far into weeds I'm not you know I don't want to answer it answer

any more questions than I have to. I feel right. Except for here. Yeah. All right. Well, that's the end of the show. Yeah. I mean, if you want to, so yeah, just go back to his ad read, listen to that five times and a bunch

of the information we'll get pulled out of things we're going to ask him. So, all right, big, big Mike. It's got a little game for you here. You're familiar, the least fun, most fun. I am. Did you want to explain to your friends and family? Yeah. Yeah.

So you're going to give me a topic and I'm going to tell you the least fun thing about it and the most fun thing about it. All right. I'll give you an easy one this week. Nice little layup. So least fun, most fun. Consuming water. Consuming water.

And any stories that correspond with answers would be good. I assume this was for my wife. So I would say the least fun is the constant urination. I mean, especially during water loads and water cuts. Like, you know, I drink on average about about a gallon a day. So it's, you know, I'm up and down going, you know, take up to leak every 15, 20 minutes at work and then at home. So that's the least fun and the most fun is just being hydrated. And it does, I mean, I can tell a difference if I go a day without drinking water.

And it's, you know, it's free. Like where we live, you know, we have a well. So it doesn't not like I'm paying for the water. at my tap. So yeah, it's awesome. I mean, it's one of the belly blocks of life. Nice. I was fishing for a, was there a story where you maybe overconsumed water on a hike or something

and had a little health issue? Or am I? Oh my, okay, this is from Mark. That was what I was going for. I'm sorry, yeah. No, you're good, you're good. I, yeah, the very first time I went on a backpacking trip, I went with him and some of our friends that we were in college up in uh we went and did um there's a state park up on the new york border called uh world's end state park and uh we hiked about 60 miles i think it was and uh i'd never never been on a backpack and chip my life and i was wearing like jean shorts and a cotton t-shirt and uh i i had over hydrated

so like on the end of the second day i i started puking water and uh i had to get one one person carried my backpack and then another person had to carry me to camp so on like the last you know last mile or two so it was uh it was rough um but yeah that that was a that was a very hard lesson learned and and and that's not worse than having to pee or it is worse than having to pee oh 100% way way way I uh my head yeah we we we um I I vividly remember like I was in and out um all evening and uh it was at a point where it was dark out and they were all sitting around the campfire talking and stuff and my head was like my head was laying outside of the tent and I would just like pick my head up and puke every once in a while my head back of the tent

oh how old are you when you did this ballpark 20 okay so it's 1920 yeah many years ago yeah yeah that was uh that was my first first backpacking trip but it was ironically the thing that got me hooked on backpacking now you would think most people have that bad of an experience. So how did you have such a bad experience, but still be like, this is going to be a part of my personality for the next 20 years? Like, that's wild. It was that good of a view. It's, it's, um, you kind of, you think about like, uh, preparative for a strongman comp, right? Like, you, you spend eight to 12 weeks like doing this stuff and by the, by the, the, like, the week, by your delode week, you're just like, you're dead. You get through the deload

week you get through the competition and it's like you have so much fun for that thing like you you remember how much fun it is and that keeps you wanting to go back right that's one of the things that keeps you going for me it was like it's like it sucks right by the end of the last day you're like your feet have blisters you're you're tired you can barely pick your legs up um but then then once you get done um yeah there's just like this sense of accomplishment and then it's um the endorphins like I don't know, there's a satisfaction there and it feels good. And the longer I've done it, the smarter

I've gotten about it, right? Like when I was 19, I didn't know anything about hydration. I just let you chug water. And now I know there's more to it. So, yeah, as you do it and, you know, just like any hobby, as you do it more, you start to pick up

little tips and tricks and get better at doing the hobby. So, yeah. Nice. Good answer. You get anything for it? Yeah, so there's some viewers submitted, or I guess listener submitted questions here. There's a couple that, well, at least one that stood out to me.

And if it doesn't mean anything to you, just let me know. It could have just been, you know, a random thing. But what's the coolest thing you've made in Boy Scouts with your troop? Hmm. It's the coolest thing I made. So I personally

was never a scout, but I, I'm the Cubmaster for my Cubs. My son's a Cub Scout pack. Okay. So I can't, like, we do a lot of neat stuff, but I can't think of one specific thing that we've made. Okay. Yeah, we do the Pinewood Derby every year, and we make some cool sticks, right? Like, well, like the kids at some eight, yeah, fourth grade, or in fourth grade, they learn how to whittle.

They learned how to make stick. So teaching them how to do that stuff. So I think. I wasn't going to ask, how do you make a stick, but you mean you take a branch? I'm sorry, yeah. Make a marshmallow stick, I should say, out of a regular stick. Yeah, I don't have one tangible thing that I can think of off the top of my head. And I'm sure my wife's going to tell me afterwards. So you guys, I'm assuming you do all like the basic Cubs scout stuff.

Do you still go like to do camping and do all the badges and that kind of thing? Yeah. I'm very far removed from Scouts. So yeah, so we do, our pack is pretty active and we do, we have a rotation throughout the year. So we do all the things that you think of. We do like first aid, fire building, flag, like flag raising, just all the things that you think of when a scout. We do winter cabin camping every year. So we go up in the Poconos, there's a Boy Scout camp that sits on a lake.

And so we go up in in the middle winter when the lake's frozen over. it just happens to snow every week or every year when we go up. So we just basically put the kids under snowsuits and then go out and play. They'll start having, like we'll have big snow battles. Like they'll build an arsenal or a back, I can't think of the word, but they build hundreds of snowballs, they build a fortress, and then we have a kids versus adults, a snowball fight. They go out in the lake and just walk.

on the lake, right? As a kid, right? Seven, eight, nine, ten year olds is cool. It's cool to go out, walk on the water. So, yeah, going hikes. And, yeah, we do that in the middle winter and in the summer, we go to camp and we do, again, more scout stuff, right? They do. Yeah.

They work on their skills. They get to shoot BB gun, archery, fishing, um, uh, learn about conservation. So it's, it's always a blessed. Our favorite thing to do in the year. That's awesome.

so when you're playing kids versus adults and snowball fights and what RPE are you chucking snowballs that like 12 year old boys faces because like do you like do you just be in the one little mouthy shit in the face and then like kind of like just like not throw as hard and you like

your your kids buddies or something or how does that well it depends because because they're like in Cups Couts it's from from kindergarten to fifth grade so you have some kids who are you know literally five, six years old. So you got to, you know, you, you, you, you team up with them and you let them be your

inside, be your mole. So, um, so like, I like to do some of the recon stuff. So I'll go around the cabin and I'll, like, army crawl to the backside of their, their fort and start to, like, I'll destroy their fort or all, like, smash their snowballs. Um, but if I'm going after any kids, it's usually my son first. That's funny. because he's the most, he's the most, or the bravest, I guess, about talking smack. That's cool. That's cool that you and haven't found that, you know, a lot of people just kind of drop their kid off at sports and kind of go on about their day.

So being able to, like, have a hobby that you can kind of, you know, do for quite a few years with your son and hopefully get some good bonding out of that. That's pretty cool. Yeah. All right, big, Mike. What do you want to tell us about what you do for a living as little or as much as you care to share? Sure. So I am a electrical engineer, but I work as a process controls engineer. So I do industrial automation, electrical design for the control systems, and then programming, production support, things like that. So I spent a lot of time in the food and beverage industry, did pet food for a while. And then I did... supplements, right? So protein powders, pre-workouts, hydration, hydration packs, things like that. And then a few years ago, I moved over to the industrial gas and chemical manufacturing space.

So I travel around mostly in the U.S., but I do do some international travel supporting plane operations, projects, right? project design installation, commissioning, startup, all that stuff. So it's a pretty rewarding gig. You get to, so with that travel, have you had any good crew meetups or anything,

or are you always just out in the middle of places where you haven't been able to do any crew meetups? So I just, I just recently discovered a crew member who is, um, uh, he lives about 30 minutes from where, uh,

the one plan I support, down in Florida. Big John, yeah, Big John Griner, he and I are going to meet up in a couple weeks when I go down. And then, so the short answer is I haven't yet, but it's working out where over the next several weeks I'm going to get to meet up with a bunch of people. So I got him and then I'm going to go meet up with Big Bam Bam later this year up in Boston. So we're trying to get a crew England meetups going. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm in the crew England group chat, and they're always meeting up doing something, man. They're a very, very active.

Yeah. So, Big Mike, we don't want to turn this into sets and reps, but there was a lot of stuff in your submissions came back for lifting history. And so if you don't care, just kind of what got you into lifting or got you into exercising, moving, that kind of thing, and what keeps you in it today? Sure. So I started Like when I was a kid

We had a I was maybe it was a body solid or whatever But one of those kind of four and one machines Were like one side's a sitting leg press One side's a fly machine The other side's lap pulled down And the other side would be I don't know

Like Seated shoulder press or something like that And we had like some standard weights and stuff So my dad would go down on the weekends And lift every once in a while So I mean I just I didn't really participate, but I took notice to it. And I wrestled and played football and baseball from, I don't know, when I was six till sometime in high school.

And like in junior high and high school, we started to tinker with strength training. Like our school, yeah, at that time, didn't have a formal strength and conditioning program. Like we were a small town, small team, not a great football program, not a great. I mean, the wrestling program turned out some good wrestlers, but it wasn't, we weren't a powerhouse in the area, if that makes sense. So we tinkered a little bit in junior high and high school, and then we started going to a local gym, you know, junior year, senior year, just doing bro splits, whatever we saw on bodybuilding.com and T-Nation

and kind of those early, early forums. And kind of when I went to college, I got a little more. serious about it. So I had more time in my hands and just started working at basically eating everything I could and lifting as much weight as I could four or five days a week. And did that for a few years. And then I at some point, after I had moved to St. Louis area, I really started to get into running. So I'd done a couple of 5Ks and like tough mutters when I was still living here in Pennsylvania. when I moved to Midwest, I started getting into more endurance sports. So I had started doing a lot of trail runs, like trail races, half marathons.

I did a triathlon and a marathon or two. So I kind of like I went on this period of time where I wanted to get skinny and it was miserable. Like I was miserable the whole time. I was like so desperately wanted to get down to like 175, 180 or whatever. And it took everything I had to get down to 180. and I was like, this is not, this is not it. It's not for me. And so, so kind of towards the, the tail end of my tenure in St. Louis, I started to really,

I started going back to the gym and working on strength training again. I did, I got, I got hooked for a little while on, I don't know if you guys knew Bobby Maximus's. He's kind of, he was like an early Instagram influencer, but he had CrossFit-esque workouts. He had, he wrote a book that was just. very digestible and easy to do some, you know, the program with. And then I move back to Pennsylvania. One of my, one of our really good friends, Ty, Ty Shazam on Instagram, he, he started doing kind of stone lifts and tinkering with strongman during COVID. When I moved back,

he started to get me into strongman. So in 2021, I started doing strongman training pretty exclusively. And had some gaps between, like, I'd have a coach for a while and then I'd do my own thing. And then I would kind of slip a little and hire under the coach. And for the accountability stuff, as I'm finding out, or as I realize. But then, yeah, so for like the last, I say 18 months, I've really like 18 months to two years, I've really, really dialed it in and taken it seriously. started work with Jake early in 2026.

And yeah, just have like a more more of a passion and love for the sport and for lifting than I've ever had it here at the Ripolege of 40. I had a blast watching you compete at the lift hard. And, you know, we hung out, you know, a couple of those nights.

But yeah, yeah, it was just fun. I could tell you're very passionate about it and that you love it. Yeah, it's hard. I, like, admittedly, I don't, I don't do, I hadn't done well in past comps. Like, I don't do well under pressure. So some of my first competitions I did was more just about, like, learning how to compete. And then, you know, that was the one where it kind of clicked for me.

I felt prepared, right? I always went into competitions with some doubt. Even if I, like, if I knew I wasn't going to get something, like, it would still bog me down. But coming into Lift Hard Live Easy, it was like, okay, here's, you know, here's the reality of the situation. Here's where I'm going to do well at. Here's where I'm going to suck. And so rather than taking that all or nothing approach,

it was like, okay, how do I like minimize the damage here and like leverage my strengths over here? And so that, that, and I do, like, I do credit Jake with that, helping with that mental shift. And so like going into my comp this weekend, I feel more comfortable and confident because I, like, I'm focusing on what I'm good at.

and just kind of like, like I said, minimizing the bleeding on the things that I'm not good at. So, yeah, I appreciate that. Absolutely. What do you think your best event this weekend will be? I'm a terrible static strength guy. So like anything that moves. So I've got, I've got a farmer's carry.

It's a lot of, it's very similar to Lift Farm Levisi. I've got a tire flip. I've got a farmer's carry. second tire flip to be used in the amateur strongman in the last seven years. And it's listed, the tire is listed at a weight that's heavier than the one that we use of the tire leasy, but I don't, I'm skeptical of that. I'm always skeptical tire weights, but. Thousand pounds is what it says.

Yeah, they all weigh at that. I think, I think my best event this weekend, it's either going to be the car deadlift or the, or the, tire flip into sled drag. So this is the two I'm really banking on. There's a front hold that I'm not. I mean, that's what a front hold is a front hold. So I'm just going to endure it.

Have you seen the car deadlift setup? Because I know sometimes it's a front bar. So other times it's like neutral grip handles. And I've seen them fucking, I've seen like, I've seen a whole class as zero the car deadlift. And I've seen people do 30 reps and like these are both stupid to watch. I don't know what kind of car is.

it's going to be but I'm sure it's this it's a it's a front handle and they did put the pick they put the pick height which is helpful so okay kind of in my last they put it up like 10 days ago so in my last uh my peak week with Jake he uh we programmed a 15 to 16 inch pool um we're like well this is a whole but this is very much different from the nine inches i didn't pull at all fucking prep so yeah yeah i i um and you figure you have the you have the bend from the frame. So I've done I've done a car deadlift twice and I really

I may not be the most statically strong person but I just I just really enjoy the event. So that goes a long way for me. That'll be fun. Well hopefully you what you want to do. That's the goal, yeah. Have the meat you deserve as some might say. Which almost sounds like it's a backhanded because I like

tell people to have the day they deserve. But like having the meat you deserve is almost like, you know, did you put in the work for it or not kind of thing. Right. Well, and, and, uh, you know, this is my first meet competing as a master, as a grizzled, grizzled master. So, um, yeah, hopefully by the time this comes out, I'll be, uh, uh, invited to, to nationals, but that's, uh, that's the goal is the podium this. That'd be done. What is, um, is fly tying something fishing related or is there not a, is that, am I missing a comma there. That's, that's, that's, uh, so this year I just recently got into a, to fly time.

Yes, fly fishing. Okay. Okay. So I've always been often on, you know, fishermen or fish, trout fishing. Um, it's been casting. A couple years ago, I picked up fly fishing. Um, and, uh, this last year I, uh, there's, so there's an organization called trout unlimited. and they have chapters and our local chapter hosts a fly tying seminar every year.

So it's like a monthly thing where you learn how to tie some flies. So I went, there's 20 bucks. And it was like the, it's just a cathartic. Like it's, I don't say mindless, but it's a hobby to shut my brain off. And so like that I got hooked on it. Pun it. Punant. So.

I would do want to So delay in two minutes or less Actually explain how to tie To the fly and if it's a different technique with different flies Also I'm imagining like when I pick up like a dead fly at the house that's like it's all like basically It's disintegrating so how are your flies how are your baits not just falling apart? I'm just I don't want to spend all day on this but I'm curious it's a unique thing that I'd like to You know have your two minute TED talk on it's so you don't actually use flies

So they're synthetic, I mean, they're fake, but they're meant there's different designs to emulate the life cycle of a fly. Well, they haven't all been. Like in fucking river runs through it, they were tying fucking real flies. Yes. Yeah, yeah. But the ones that you make at home. You were not Brad Pitt, you're saying. No.

Yeah, that movie sucks. What the fuck? Good movie. There's a place for that. But for what I do, like, because I'm a novice. Okay. You know, I, I haven't caught anything on my own flies, you get or anything like that. But basically what you do is you just, you take synthetic or, synthetic or materials,

or you can take like deer hair, turkey feathers, peasant feathers, whatever, and you just, you arrange them in a pattern that emulates a different type of fly. And so you, and it's all regional, right? So, like, when you really get into it, you can go out on the stream that you're, you're going to fish. You pick up the different rocks and you kind of figure out what species or what types of flies are out in that area. We have what they're feeding on, the fish that are, or that is.

And then where they are in the life cycle. And so you then use flies that emulate that condition on the stream. That's very interesting. It's like some Red Dead redemption stuff. Yeah. It's, it's, yeah, it is. It's like there's, it's very overwhelming. like I said, as a new person, like there's, it's, I'm drinking from a fire hose where it's like,

you got to know this, this, this, this, and this. And I've had to break it down into very bite-sized chunks and just learn these little bits of technique and skill. And then, you know, I'm starting to expand a little bit. But yeah. But you are getting out on the river a little bit here and there, though? And like, is that like, is that a good, like clear your mind kind of, this is peaceful? or did you like the anxiety if I just wasted out or didn't catch anything and now you're pissed off?

Oh, I don't care if I, at this age, I don't care if I catch anything. I don't care. I can sit at a tree sand or sand and a river, the creek all day and not catch anything. I don't, I just want to be out there. But it's the last few years, even with spin cast fishing, like I mostly fish in the spring and then the fall. The summer, yeah, the water's warmer in the summer. fish, and I'm by no means an expert, so people might, people might correct me, and that's fine. But like, in the summer, the fish are lazier, I guess, the water's warmer, they're trying to stay cool. And also just my life is chaotic in the summer. Once my son's out of school, it's

full steam until August. So that's like, I usually, like I said, mostly go April, May, and then I'll start going again here after Labor Day, try to pick up an hour or two here after work. And I've gotten him into the hobby as well. So it's become much less about me and more about him having a good time when we go out together. Very cool. Very cool. What is the what's the coolest thing you found in a junkyard? Oh man. We besides the parts that I need when I need them, we go like there's some junkyards that'll pull out some interest. pieces. We've gotten street signs, which which isn't particularly interesting, but like we've gotten street signs. We've gotten, I've got like 400 pounds of standard plates and

some New York mill plates for like a dollar a pound. So when big big Ben Wico's listening. You paid a dollar a pound for one inch standard plates at a junkyard? Or you meant like no, no, no, no Olympic plate. There's okay, okay. The stand like standard barbell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got you. That's not a good price for the mills. Yeah, the York milled. It range. It varies.

Basically, like, there's a, there's a Mennonite junkyard. Not too far from some of our crew, some of the PA crew. And they have a big, like a big basket outside. And you can take whatever plates you want. So people bring them to the scrapyard. But that, I've got some authentic wagon wheels that we turned into wagon wheels for wagon wheels for the barbell. Like we've converted into barbells. How does that work?

I've seen those on like marketplace every now and then. I'm like, oh, I could make that something. I mean, I already have the rogue good ones. But like, I'm going to hear how that worked out for you. And what you did to reinforce them. Not well. I mean, they didn't last for a long. Similar to the propane tank, Circus Stumbbell.

Yeah. Yeah, it goes back to, like, it's, yeah, it goes back to that, keeping it simple. And I also didn't know really what I was doing at the time. But you can find, I mean, that same junkyard has, like, big tanks, like stainless steel, 500-gallon tanks. Just, I don't know, I've gotten some really cool wrought iron legs. You know, we're going to make a bird bath out of rot iron legs and a lamp. Or, like a lampshay, like a big commercial lampshade. So just stuff like that.

Not one like benchmark piece that I can think about off the top of my head. So let me guess something real quick, if you don't mind. It says here playing musical instruments. Let me guess bass. I did play bass for a period of time. My first instrument was actually the drums. So I played drums in a, I was in a 90s, like a grunge slash of 90s rock band from like 16 to 21 or something like that. And then I had to sell my kit because we were, you know, we just, as we were moving to apartments and stuff, there's no room or place to play them.

So I took a bass as a secondary instrument. So, yeah, I played drums for a long time. time, move to bass, a little bit of guitar here and there, but not, I'm not proficient at anyone. I just, I like, it's one of those hobbies that I like to do and I'm not very good at. But, yeah. And I just recently, I just recently got a new drum set. Well, I used drum set from a friend. So over the next couple weeks, I'll be, I'll be setting that up here in my home office and

trying to get back into it. Is your, is your office in your gym also? No, this is actually a backdrop. I'm in my, I'm in my, yeah. Oh, okay. I was going to say, because that image with the baseball player on the TV, the exact same one. Oh, it hasn't moved. It has it.

Yeah, okay, okay. That's funny. That's funny. I took that during the Little League World Series. So that's, yeah, that's a couple. Okay. Yeah, no, my, my home office is in our basement. Oh, okay.

Nice. Yeah, we have, uh. See, I thought you, I thought you were sitting out sweating in 100 degrees, you know, just really doing it for the podcast. And I, I, I, I, go ahead. Last week, so Lauren was the, the co-host last week. He texted me at like 10 o'clock after the episode. And I was like, dude, it was 102 degrees in my office at the gym when I was recording. And like, well, why the fuck didn't like, goddamn, dude, record somewhere else?

Like, fuck me. Sitting your fucking Jeep with the air conditioning on for two hours other than this shit. Just fuck. I had a folding table I was going to take out. I was going to sit. Like, I was going to sit with this exact backdrop in real time. But yeah, it was, it's, I don't know if you guys are getting to Keith, but it's, human as all get up and hot.

It's nasty. And the acoustics at the gym is usually not as good either. Yeah. So it was, I made the executive decision to do it in my home office. No, that's smart. Briefly on the music aspect, you released two albums it looked like. How was that, how was that experience? Or was that, that was part of the band, I'm guessing that you were the drummer on? Yeah, yeah. So we did it. We were kind of, I mean, again, we were, we did our first one.

like 17 and then our second one were 19 or 20 and we were uh we did all DIY because we were all broke we didn't have any money so we we bought like we pulled our money together and bought a 16 track a mixing board and then um bought mics

you know a bunch of I think it was Carvin was the brain we bought like just cheaper like mid-grade mics and just did it all in a friend's basement with moving blankets and like to deaden the sound so it was um it was it was really fun. Like, I mean, there's, those are experiences you can't take back, but the quality, the sound quality is trash. It's just, um. Do you still have like a digital file that you listen to

nostalgiaically every now and then, or was it just kind of like, nope, I did a thing and I don't need to hear it. No, we listen to it. We listen to it every once in a while. And, you know, my son's really into music. Like, he plays, he plays a saxophone and, um, uh, is in the chorus, in chorus. So he, uh, he's taken an affinity or has an affinity music. So we've been exposing him to some stuff. And, uh, like, I'll play the, I still have a CD player in my truck, so we'll play it in my truck every once in a while, and um, you like to ask questions, but I don't like, I don't go out my way to listen to it just as like a, yeah, yeah, I don't stroke myself off and say this is awesome. I just, uh, we'll follow. So with your,

with your kid playing saxophone. What's that like the, uh, the saxophone music sound that's going around as all the viral reels. You could like do that without even having to do like the audio over. You could have him play the, uh, whatever they, the escalating. saxophone, you know, diddy. No, we're still, like,

we're still, like, we're still down here. He's, he's, uh, he's, uh, second, this will be a second year playing. He does it, does it through school, but, um, it's,

it's, it's, yeah, at that age, like, they're, yeah, they do a little ensemble,

um, or a little, uh, orchestral arrangement at the end of the year. And it's hard with, to listen to a practice because he'll have, like, three notes,

like, he'll play three notes and then he'll just sit there, and he'll like count the rest or whatever and he'll play again. And so you don't really like, it doesn't sound like much until it's part of the whole arrangement. So he, but he's, yeah, we're not there yet. We got a couple of years. Oh, good, okay. Is he going to have your choice of hair styles when he gets a little older?

What would it like to be a white dude with pink and purple dreadlocks in high school? It was, it was an experience. We, yeah, I, I, yeah, so I had, I had always dyed my hair from, probably started in middle school. I had, you know, you name the color, I had it. And then my wife, you know, we were both in high school at the time, but she, she spent 12 hours dreading, you know, she put my hair in dreadlocks. And I dyed it, I dyed it like purple or pink, like just before that. or no, I purple and I had faded to pink. So my senior pictures, I have pink dreadlocks.

You know, and it was kind of like at the time, people knew me for having dyed hair, so it wasn't that crazy. But, you know, I'd get a lot of funny looks. In a small town I grew up in, it was, it was. I'm sure you stuck out like a sworethum. Yeah, yeah. We, like, I remember one time we went to the, we went down to Delaware to go camping and, and I was waiting for my dad to come out of the beer distributor.

and some guy was just like staring at me. And my dad walked out and he's like, he looked at the guy. He goes, what are you looking at? And so yeah, I was like, I was not. Yeah, I stood out in most places, but around my friend group and in my school, it was kind of. Yeah, it wasn't a surprise, I guess. So growing up in that, you know, small town, Pennsylvania, you had some interesting foods, I'm sure, some local culinary foods. What are some of those foods that you had if you could just kind of explain to everybody what they were and what was your favorite, you think?

Sure. So we had, I mean, some of the stuff's not, you know, not exclusive to the area, but we had, you know, your, you're, we had a big German and Polish, Eastern European population. So we always had your staples, like your, your pierogies and, excuse me, like homemade kabbas and Golmkees, Halerushki, things like that. Um, but like my, my favorite food is, uh, and there's also like, there's pork roll, which is, you know, more of a Jersey thing, but also believes into Pennsylvania. But, um, scrapple is kind of, scrap is my, uh, is my, uh, is my jam. I think that's probably where that's, that's going, but, uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. So scrap, the scrapple is, um, for those who don't know, it's, it's basically all the, all the parts of a pig that weren't good enough for hot dogs,

uh, mixed with cornmeal. And then they turn into a big brick. And you kind of get you cut it into slices and you pan fry at both sides with a high heat and then you serve it with maple syrup. Yeah, you generally eat it for breakfast, right? Yeah, yeah, it's breakfast food. Yeah, so it's like in lieu of bacon or ham like you would have scrapple with your eggs and toast. Really low in sodium, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's good for my gout.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, you do have gout, don't you? I do have gout. Yeah, I found out I had my first flare up at 28. So I've been, I've been on medication for 12 years until the day I die. It's, it's hereditary on both sides of my family, which is awesome. Yeah, my dad's had that before and like just the slightest, like, move of the blanket has just, like, just sin him over the edge, you know. Yeah.

It's crazy. It's awful. I wouldn't wish on anybody. Yeah, they call it the King's disease, but it's terrible. got anything keith before we move on to oh i guess i was gonna save it for well okay what's uh who's officer bill clinton

officer bill clinton okay i guess i was supposed to ask you about that but i guess it's not an immediate response then it's not a funny no i it's it sounds funny like i i it doesn't strike a memory i know i know yeah no worries no worries um So when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when you were talking about that on the podcast a few years ago, did you, did you feel like, uh, was that thing that maybe that might have been the thing that actually got you to join in the sporting, I don't know. The empathy. Yeah, yeah, you were like, I'll give him my 10 cents a day.

No, it's, yeah, I empathize. Um, it's, it's, it's, it's, if you don't, like, it's hard to explain how it feels. I mean, like, Brandon explained it well. Like, it, when it, when it, when you have a flare up, like, as soon as anything, like, if you. breathe on it wrong, on your joint wrong, it hurts. So, you know, I empathize with him as he was going through that. You had mentioned going to Long Island to pick up some gym equipment. Is that, how far away is that for you? It depends on which day you go, right?

It's about two and a half hours, I think. There's shit on Long Island all the time. Like, you know, my marketplace wants to show me shit on Long Island or, like, New York City adjacent all the time. And I'm like, why? It's like fucking six hours away. for me. Like, stop showing me all these, like, really good deals on these things that are, like, stop showing me all these strong man at pieces of equipment that are in the city that I'm

not going to go fucking drive to go get. How bad do you want to be a champion, Keith? Yeah. I'm content with what I've done. Yeah, it's, it's to get to, like, the George Washington Bridge or the Brooklyn Bridge is probably just, you know, an hour and a half, two hours. But I took that trip on a Saturday, which was a terrible idea. But I wanted, for the deal, I couldn't, you know, I had to suffer. seen any good local concerts lately or was that more of a thing you did in your youth? Oh no, we, we try to hit up, you see my wife and I and a couple buddies, but it varies now.

But I try to go to, I don't know, five to ten a year. So I think the last one we went to was a bluegrass festival that they hold at a park locally. And it's like a three-day camping. you know, you pay like 40 bucks to camp and then 75 bucks for the weekend ticket. So that's more of my speed now, but I used to be, you know, we would go to metal shows like every other week. There was a small venue in this area called Crocodile Rock that would have a lot of big, big bands.

So we've seen a ton of bands there. And then as I've gotten older, it's, yeah, my preferences have changed. I'm not, I'm not interested in going to pit anymore. so it's not my speed. So we still hit up some metal shows a couple times a year, but mostly it's bluegrass or Maricana or string band music these days. Oh, all right. Yeah.

Did you want to hit him with little Mount Rushmore there, Brandon? Yeah. So I've been kind of just pouring over the rest of this stuff to kind of come up with some topics for this. And the only other thing I want to say is like, it's amazing. Like your family and friends just have so much good things. things to say about you. So you must be a good guy. That's kind. But yeah. Now that you've had a chance to be on this side of the notes, it's almost a

negative when like seven people just say, oh, he's a great dad. He's a great father. Yeah. Oh, man. Because then it's like, well, I wish I could just not have this in here. Yeah. Now I have to like, it's more of a, I didn't get a good chances to hear. I inevitably almost always delete that before the podcast just because it's just, it's cool for you. But it's like, it's like it's cool. It's not a question we can ask or anything like that. So it's just more things my eyes have to look at while trying to like cherry pick conversation pieces. Well, I could be like, what's the best part about being intelligent and thoughtful? I'm just kidding.

So usually the notes are only so helpful. All right. So I got a good one. Mount Rushmore, Big Mike. Mount Rushmore of NASCAR drivers. Oh, man. Alive or dead. Well, there's a couple of gimmeter.

a couple obvious ones. There's Dale Earnhardt. Three. Yep. There's Dale, there's Dale in heart. David Pearson. He's, I would say, one of the most underrated drivers.

I would go with, yeah, see, there you go. Is he a current or is he older? Or is he older? He raced around the time, like he was one of Richard Petty's biggest competitors. Oh, okay, okay, yeah. Richard Petty is prior to my time, too. So it's...

Yeah. So I guess he was retiring. He was probably already like 65 and still racing when we were all kids in like the 90s, the 80s. Yep. He retired in 93. Yeah. That's why I never know.

So then I, yeah, so I'd go Dale Earnhardt, David Pearson, Richard Petty. And then I got to, I got to say Jimmy Johnson, who is, so three of those four of seven championships. and then David Pearson won three or four championships as a part-time driver. So he never raced a full-time season, if I remember correctly, but still won the championship three times. Oh, that's wild. So what got you into NASCAR? Days of Thunder. No, it was family.

So, like, when I was little, when I was growing up, my family race, there's a local track called the Honing Valley. And so a couple of my family members race there. and then my dad and his cousins and my uncle they used to uh there's a thing called mud bogging um i'm not sure if you heard of it but it's yeah it's like yeah it's like drag racing through a big mud pit right so my dad my dad had built uh my dad was very good at it and he built built his zone truck and um had competed uh had a bunch of trophies and and um so so it just i was always around motorsports and uh it just also happened to be the the, you know, NASCAR's Renaissance, right? The 90s were kind of their, their big boom era.

So growing up watching the Dailenhardt versus Jeff Gordon, via Rusty Wallace, so who's who of NASCAR that everybody knows, like, that was that era. So I grew up around it and it's just one of those, I don't know, I just, I've always been passionate about, or I've been impassioned about motorsports. I like learning the, I like the, I like the text. side of racing, right? There's not, there's always the trope about NASCAR and any, like,

even IndyCar to some extent, like it's, they're just turning left. But there's, you know, just like any other sports, there's more to it. Same with football and baseball and basketball. Like, it's, it's not just somebody throwing a ball to another person. It's, you know, there's strategy and there's, there's tactical planning around it. So I, I like that side of it. And NASCAR's moved to, they're kind of getting closer to, like, the Indy car. or F1's style with the engineering. So that plays more into my, I plays even further into my interests,

like the how and the why they do certain. Awesome. Well done, well done. All right. Awesome. Let's see. What do I go? You want affiliates, Keith?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, no, that's true. Yeah, that's me. All right. So, do you have any dirty barbells in your gym? You know, one thing that would help, barbell rescue brush. Use code unpaid and support Kim, sporting member of Masonomics. Also, support home gymcon.

Right now you can buy 2027 tickets. It is in Louisville again next year. Use code unpaid. I believe the price continues to go up. Oh, yeah, it does. Every month or every two months probably. Yeah, it won't be any cheaper than it is, well, a month ago, but it won't be any cheaper than it is right now.

And then, of course, Jim Radar right now. I think it's the next two months. you can get a free account using code unpaid. That is factual. Yeah, absolutely. You just saying Louisville made me remember. Did you catch the little bit of, we mentioned you last week when I told Lauren that he actually says it right? Yes.

Louisville. Yeah, that's not a word. I don't even know what you're saying. I don't even know what you're saying. You're just mumbling. It comes from the back of the throat when you say. I can't reach that far. I'm sorry.

That's not what I heard. No, I'm at my, well, never mind. Dick joke. All right. I think we're going to, anything else jump out at you before we hit an unpaid and underrated? Oh, I think there's going to be a lot of good ones here,

so I'm ready for it. I remember I'm going to do probably three or four, and then if there's nothing left that you want, just literally scroll back up and there's a bunch of random shit. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Big Mike, are you familiar with unpaid or underrated?

Would you like to explain or do you want me to do it? I'll give it a crack. So, yeah, Unpaid, underrated is unpaid means that nobody wants to be unpaid, so that's something that we don't like. Underrated is something that doesn't get enough love. Fair enough. I'll take it. All right, Big Mike.

Unpaid or underrated. The phrase, it is what it is. Paid, unequivocally. It's the dumbest phrase on planet Earth. I mean, but it is what it is. Well, yes, that's the play. It's just talking to talk. Yeah, right?

Yeah. No, we did. We did. Pigeonhold between, like, he's an amazing human. We love him. He's the best dad ever is. He fucking lows. It is what it is.

Yeah, it's, I have some, like, some bad, like, there's some, the first person to ever introduced me that phrase is not somebody I'm very fond of. So I'm sure there's some bias there. But I also, like, I just hate, like, no shit. Of course it is. is otherwise it wouldn't be. I love that he's getting mad. Yeah, get him.

Yeah, there's, it doesn't take much to get me mad, but that phrase is like, it makes my skin crawl. I mean, if you say it, that's fine. That's on you, like, that's, that's your issue. But like, yeah, I just, it's not my jam. All right. On a lighter note, unpaid or underrated, John Candy. 100% underrated.

And I know he's popular. but he will never get enough love for like how good of an actor and how like good of a person he was when he was alive. He, so my favorite movie of all time is planes, trains, and automobiles. Who are you, Big Joe? Love that. My buddy Rick and I have, he may have been the one to submit that, but he and I have a shared love of that movie.

And, yeah, I just, I mean, so my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, love for John McCain, he started with that movie, and then it kind of blossomed out to everything else, right? He's Home Alone and Uncle Buck, and, oh, I can't. I'm going to, I'm going to, there's a couple other, like, there's a shocking movie that he's in. He just, uh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so, yeah. So, not, not, not, not playing Trains and Autoville. What's your favorite character he's played? Um, not necessarily your favorite movie, not, not, not the movie you like the most, but, like, what role do you think he, like, did the best? in or like transformed Huey? Like I got something.

What was your favorite? Yeah. Nothing but trouble. So, so. Oh, he plays the twin woman, right? Yeah. What's her name in that?

Yeah. Yep. So playing straight in Arnold, Bules is my favorite because, because of how he and Steve Martin play, like the Yan and the Yang there. But the way, like, his role in,

uh, nothing but trouble is, is probably like, as a standalone performance. makes me laugh. Or is this, I think is, like you say,

I was, I was going to add that to my list. I was like, no, I've seen that years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that movie.

That was a weird fucking. Yeah. Well, and it's based on, I mean, I'm sure you know, but like, it's based on,

uh, the, the setting, the town's based on centrally, Pennsylvania. So, um, yeah,

the city with the underground coal fires. Oh. I, um, yeah, he just, just the way he, he transformed for that.

Anyone curious? The IMBD rating on that is a 5.2. Big Keith glazed at a 6.0. So there you go. Everyone says I underrate movies. Go fuck yourself. Overrated Big Mike's favorite character of John Candy movie.

There you go. For good reason. Yeah, it's a good movie. I haven't seen that. I don't think I've thought about this movie in 20 years. All right. Unpaid or underrated Ooh, that blanket you sleep with every night that isn't necessarily a comforter. So, yeah, underrated.

I always think about what's going to happen if my house ever catches fire and I lose that blanket. So we bought it. We were on a road trip up through the northeast. We went from Pennsylvania up to Maine and then circled back around through New Hampshire and Vermont, New York. and camped in the national forest and the state parks along the way. And it got like bitterly cold and I think it was white mountain national forest. So I ended we bought these blankets kind of on a whim. And that was like 2012 maybe.

And I still use that blanket to this day. I guess that's my everyday blanket. It's got two sides. It's got like a flee side for when it's cold. And then a smoother side. Yeah, smoother side for when it's warm. out. So, yeah, my wife can make fun of me all she wants, but jealous. The best present I think I got this year

was an actual cooling comforter. So it's like, it's so fucking, it's like silky, cold. It is the best ever. I remember on Christmas Day, I just like laid on the floor with it and I was just so happy. It's like, this is going to be so nice to replace like the shitty ass hot, sweaty when I have. All right. I think my last one, it should come along with a funny story. It might be from your youth. You might not remember it as much. but unpaid or underrated stealing tips at a bar.

Oh, yeah. This is a college thing. We, for the record, I didn't steal any tips, but this is 100% unpaid. You don't steal from anybody. But we were in college, a couple of buddies and I went to a bar. And one of the guys thought he was going to be slick and try to steal the bartender's tip. We were cashing out. Somebody else cashed out next to us.

left the tip. He thought he was going to be slick and steal the cash and got caught and just like, and by, by association, we were all kicked, you know, we were all banned from the bar for the rest of our time in college. So it was 100% unpaid. It was, yeah, that's, that's like it is what it is. It pisses me off even just thinking about it, like that. That somebody would do something like that. No, I'm glad I gave you some, some good and bad. What you got for him there, B? All right, Big Mike. Unpaid or underrated. Toyota. Oh, underrated. Just like John Candy. I don't care how beloved they are.

They will be professionally underrated. Yeah, I've had, I think 75% of the vehicles I've had since I started driving where Toyota's. We've had some other ones peppered throughout. But, you know, I started with an 87 Toyota pickup that I, bought from my buddy Rick for 200 bucks and um you know you can't beat the 22 r the 22 re yeah they're kind of their four cylinder powerhouse or they're like horse horse engines um yeah no they're they're underrated my my truck now is a 2006 tocom and i've got

three hundred and five thousand miles on it and i would drive it to i would drive it to i would drive it to tomorrow if i needed to so um so do you do all the maintenance and everything yourself and work on it and know how to do all that stuff? I can, but at this point in my life, like I pick and choose my battles. Yeah, yeah. I know some Toyota, the only reason I know some Toyota guys are really into,

like, they're doing their way, their things, you know, that kind of stuff. Before my life was so chaotic, I did. Yeah, I would, like, I would do everything the way that I knew it, I knew I wanted it done, especially with my, like, my 87 pickup. Like I did, I do that thing inside and out top, the bottom left or right. Like, I built, rebuilt, just about everything in that truck. But, like, with my truck now, like, I'll do the oil change, rotation brakes. You know, I did, but, like, now, so my dad has a lift at his house, and he's a retired auto tech.

So I'll, he'll help me out and he'll do something. some, he'll do some work for me for parts and some cash or like, I'll take it over there and put on a lift if I have to do something minor. But yeah, it's, I, if I had my druthers, I would do everything myself, but I just don't have the time anymore. Like in my wife's car, you know, I, 100%, she has a rat for like, that is 100% done by a local shop just because I don't have, I don't have the bandwidth to do it. Yeah, everything's so like jam packed into some of those vehicles too. It's like hard to access anything. So, yeah. All right.

Unpaid or underrated mic, glamping. It's unpaid, for sure. I mean, again, this is one of those things. I don't, if that's your jam, that's fine. Like, I'm not knocking you. Just for me, glamping is 100%

unpaid. It's, it takes away from the experience in my mind. you know, having, like, we camp with friends who have, you know, fifth wheels with 55 slide outs and all that stuff. But up until, you know, it's just not, at this point in my life, I'm not there. Maybe when I'm retired, like, and it's just two of us, and we're gallivant around the country. Like, a nice RV or motorhome would be, you know, that would be the ticket. But, you know, we, up until three years ago, we exclusively tent camped.

And so we only just bought a pop-up camper in like 2023 or 2024. So, and even that feels luxurious. I was going to say, is glamping is more of a spectrum, though, isn't it? Like you not sleeping on the on the ground and now you're in a pop-up, aren't you, Mr. Glamper or is it a, like, who decides when it's camping and when it's, because isn't it a spectrum? It is. I think there's there are people who go Yes, it is a spectrum

So like to the hardcore The hardcore backpackers or the hardcore tent campers or car campers Yeah, I'm a puss and I Because I sleep on a mattress But unless I say like I still like we still tent camp Like my son and I when we go camping Like we're next weekend after Big Eddie's Highland games we're doing a tent camp out.

So, like, there's still a place for that. But, yeah, we had a bad experience. Our last tent camping experience as a whole family, we were down at the shore in Wildwood. And staying at a campground by the shore. And it rained really bad, and our tent got flooded. It leaked from the top, it leaked from the sides. And so, like, all of our stuff was covered in wet sand.

and that was kind of like, that was the catalyst to upgrade our life. But, yeah, it's, now I look at glamping, like, it's as having a recliner, you know, or a couch in a 55-inch pan or a big-screen TV in your camper. But, again, I've had no, no shade, which is not for me right now. So, yes, you're all right. Perfect. All right, let's do one more you think, Keith. Yeah, better.

You got something. Let's see. Unpaid or unrated hockey. And I actually want to think specifically the penguins. Depends on the year. The franchise. No, I know. I know.

This year, I would say they were underrated this year. And I'll preface this by saying that I have not been as, passionate about hockey the past couple years so um but i like the team themselves they they're kind of in a rebuildish i guess um but yeah i i i've always been a penguins fan for some reason well i had a cousin who had a mario lemieux jersey back in like 1993 or whatever and that was when i decided i was going to be a penguins fan for another reason so even though i live in flyers territory I also hated Eric Linderoz, so that helped sway my opinion. But, yeah, I would say underrated just because, you know, they have a long,

they had a long stretch where they were the dominant team. They fell off, but it's a great, great franchise. And Pittsburgh is a cool city, so for that, they're underrated. Perfect. Nice. I do have one more bonus one. So, well, okay, so you passed on Peter Underrated. I have a few follow-up questions.

Drive a Ford or some other insert other American-made vehicle that you're not a fan of. Or drive a Toyota that has a bumper sticker, a permanent bumper sticker that can never be removed that says it is what it is. Like a big, a big, a big one too. Like one of those big obnoxious plate stack stickers that people like fucking order like the 8x? English. So just drive a plain Jane, like a regular four without a bumper sticker or like insert. Yes, and your domestic vehicle that he's going to fucking die at 110,000 miles or your favorite Toyota with, it is what it is. That made me think a lot harder than it should.

You hate it that much. That's what I like this podcast. It sounds like you're driving a shitty Ford. I truthfully think I would drive a rust bucket, F-150, so long as I didn't have to have the, bumper sticker on my truck. All right. Good to know. Good to know.

All right. Quick little thing. You said you're going to one Eddie's Highland Game show. So you want to plug that real quick. And then in that, that's next weekend, right? So you're doing a strong, you're doing Pennsylvania's strongest man or whatever this,

this Saturday. And then you're doing Eddie's show in like seven days after that back to back. Yeah. And then I just signed up for a third one that Jake doesn't know about yet. So, um, yeah. He doesn't have to be involved in. this one. So yeah, so yeah, this weekend's Pennsylvania is strong, strongest at Victory

Brewing. And then next weekend, Eddie, Big Eddie is hosting his annual Highland Games competition. I think it's called the Coventter Scottish Games. Yeah. In Corrieville, PA. So there's a whole slew of crew going. It'll be, I'm sorry if I miss you, but it'll be Big Dam's, Big Kerr-W, the Cessonies, a lot of crew England. trying to think of who else. Mostly squats, I think, will be there. Mostly squats, yeah, bam, bam. There's a couple other that I've never read before, so I apologize.

Yeah, I think Scantz is coming down. I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, if you listen to the Drunken Uncle podcast, it's like, there's like a dozen crew there. Yeah, it's like five and a half, six hours for me. So it's kind of a hard one. Yeah.

well yeah and like the thing that's that sucks is like I have so we have our we have a Sam we have a scouts camp out that night so I have to leave dang I don't even know if I get to finish it but I have to leave you know early and head back up and I know they all got they got Airbnb's and they're you know they're they're hanging out for the weekend so I'm kind of bummed I'm going to miss that but yeah I'm looking forward to meeting some of the some of the crew for the first time and um do my first highland games competition because I've never done anything. I just,

I just received my kilt last night, and I sent it to the group chat, and it was like, I feel like this is cultural appropriation. I don't have an ounce of scotch blood in me, but here I am wearing a kilt. Have you done any prep for that at all yet? Or are you just kind of just going in blind?

How's, how's Jake's Highland game coaching? No, no, I'm sure it's nothing you've programmed. Yeah, he basically said, I said, I didn't want any special prep for it. I said, I'm just going for fun and to support Big Eddie. Nice.

But he, he basically just said, do some bag throws, you know, for your warm-ups. A couple days in, you know, for your upper days or whatever. So I've been doing that and I'm just going to, I'm just going to send it. I mean, we're just going to go full send. I'm most excited about the caber toss just because it looks like the most challenging thing that you could possibly do. Yeah. And then, yeah, I added. I just added a Steinholding competition this Saturday after that.

Oh, that's just a, that's a front raise fucking hold. That's like the worst old man event. It's like the most, thankfully I don't think I've ever had to watch one, but like, other than on TV and shit, but like that would be, here, hold a sledgehammer for fucking two minutes. I'm like, oh, I'm good. I'm like, that sounds dumb. Yeah.

Have you heard that Jake's having sumo wrestling next year? I hope so. I hope so. I hope so. Well, they said at least in the Masters, there's no weight classes. So hopefully there's some skinny. Like, I'll push fucking Divo's ass right out of that goddamn circle. I would destroy Dbo at sumo wrestling.

Yeah, I would be down for that. Or Moss wrestling would be fun too. Yeah. But, yeah, Pennsylvania's strongest, they have a corny keg hold, front hold. They basically took like a soda keg, and they put little neutral handle. It made it look like a little log. So, yeah, so I have two front holds in two weeks. It would be big a time.

You're busy guy. Yeah. It's a lot of entry fees you're paying. The Steinholding one was like $10. We're going down to Delaware for a long weekend. And the local breweries doing their October Fest stuff. So I just, I signed up for it on a whim. I give it it it it.

It's fucking almost fall time. It's depressing. Uh-huh. All righty. Well, I think we've mostly got the interview done. What do you think? Brandon, anything we've missed out on before he starts asking us some questions? I think we covered everything.

Good deal. I'm fair. I'm happy. Yep. Good. So the first one I want to ask this for both of you guys and it should be pretty straightforward. But is the least fun, most fun, having your home gym posted on YouTube. Okay.

Least fun for sure is just being a overweight person on YouTube. is never fun when you're in any type of fitness video because there's just the most doucheous fucking pricks out there that like to mention. And I've been dealing with it for several years since I've been on Gluck's video a couple years ago too.

And I'm like, man, I've gained like 50 pounds since Gluck's video. You're really gonna pick on me now, you fucks. And sure enough, there was three or four assholes that got on there and thought they were funny and, you know, comical. So just the piece of shits in the fucking,

in the, in the comments. But the flip side of that, I think the most fun is just the people that, your buddy's coming and having your back, I think, in the, in the comments and just like all the good, all the goodwill that comes your way. All the, all the, all the, all the, all the, all the, the, the, the, the asking a million questions about shit that, like, you could go look on Jim radar and get the answer for. I don't, I don't need those DMs, but, like, just the positive, like, just vibes and the cool, um, feedback. And actually, like, the feedback that you, like, the comments that you know was from someone that actually watched the video or, or someone, like, on today's video, the guy had mentioned how he got the bell from watching my video. And then Tanner was like, well, yeah, and Keith got it from watching Kevin's video or knowing Kevin's of that Jen Jim. So I think that's, I guess, good answers for me.

Yeah. So pretty similar to Keith. The lease fund for me was definitely like people who don't get it, like people not in our community, especially like work friends or something that like, they're like, why did they come to your house? Why do they, you know what I mean? Like they just don't get it, you know? So it's kind of, you don't know what you don't know, though. So luckily nobody was really like that big of an asshole to me or anything like that. They just misunderstood it. And, you know, that's okay. It's not for them.

So. And then most fun is almost exactly verbatim. What Keith said is just the overwhelming support that you get from, you know, your lifting buddies and things like that that actually do get it. You know, they understand it's a big deal. And it's pretty cool that they took the time to come and tour your gym. so that's most fun for sure. Awesome. Good question.

Thanks. All right. We're going to do, Keith, you have your druthers here. I have three, we'll do a couple games each if we have time. I'm not up against the wall for time,

so we're only at an hour, 45, so we go to the 20 minutes, half hour, it's fine. Okay, I'll just bounce back and forth. So I'll start with you, Keith. I want to do a blind ranking game. Are you okay with that? Yeah.

All right. And this is going to be, I don't know, can I tell you the category first, right? It's been a while. I've only, I don't think I've ever. We've only played it once a thing. So yeah, I know the category. I just don't know what, yeah, no, because you have to tell me what the category is. And then you know what, yes.

And then you give me the answers to the category. You give me the selections. And then I don't know if like my favorite thing is going to be on there or not. Yep. So then I have to, what, what are you talking? Like one through five or how many are we going? Yeah. So it'd be five.

Five. Yeah. I ain't got time for 10. No, five, five's long enough to be good, but short enough to, you know, that's what I tell the old lady, right? Yep, that's right. I don't have to get five and a half this week. So we're going to blind rank, we're going to blind rank five no wine cellar features or pieces in no wine cellar. Okay.

The first one is custom gym logo banners. That's a. So, so. One being the best, right? One being the best, five being worse. Yep, sorry. Um, so I'm gonna incorporate everything logo related with this personally.

I think that's how I would answer it. So like, am I gonna like, so there's gonna be things that are better, but there's gonna be a, it's probably a, hmm, that's a tough one because it's so not gym related. Like, so like, it's not gonna help me get stronger, stay strong, but it's really fucking cool.

So I wanna go three, but I think I gotta go four, because four, something you're, going to ask, something you're going to say sucks. And then the other three can be good lifting. I'm going to go four. Four is I think where it's got to go.

The brandon need to write these down or do you got them? I got it. I'm strapped. Okay. The next one, this are going to be tough. Pittsburgh toilet. That would probably, man. It's not

I mean, it is helpful. But like, I always, I pissed in the for 10 years and it wasn't a big deal. It's very nice to like, and what's funny is that we've spent like all that money to put the toilet in and then like the lift parties have like just completely died off. Like there was a couple that like were borderline bus and then I just stopped putting the effort in to try to like coordinate stuff because I'd be like, all right, what weekends works for you guys?

Here's three options. And I get like nothing back from the group chat. And I just be like, I guess go fuck myself. And then like the month of they're like, oh, when are we doing the party? And I'm like, you fucking never set out you. Like, fuck you guys. So the toilet itself is very convenient, but I'm thinking there's going to be three things that are much more efficient than the toilet. So I'm going to put the toilet at the bottom, even though it is very beneficial.

But it's more beneficial for the household because like if we're both getting upset stomach, but it really doesn't add anything to the gym for me. But it is really cool to the household. Wow. Make, make no mistake. I will be using it in November. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Let's hope you make that up. You did tease me You might be making it up, so let's hope so. Yeah, I'm going to skip the first day hunting just to come live with you. That'd be dope.

All right, the next one is having two distinct spaces for your gym. So what I mean by that is like you have your basement and now you have your garage. I know there's a debate about whether it's just a gym or one. I'm calling it one gym for the purposes of this conversation. In this, I wouldn't have the ability to do a time. of stuff without it. So it's got to go in number three. Because without it, I wouldn't

so for example, Jake had me doing like a hundred foot sandbag carries or 150 foot sandbag carries. And when I do that in the basement, that's like seven fucking laps. Like, because I can only, because now that the toilet is in there, it cuts it cuts my ability to go all the way to the washer and dry. I used to be able to get like a

30, 40 foot walk in. And now I can only get like a 20 foot walk in because the way the bathroom has curtains around it, like if I trip on the curtain or something and with the carrying a bag, I'm going to die. So, like, I basically only go right to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, so even if I started inside the squat rack, I'm only getting, like, 25 feet, 20 feet, I can't, like, entire session. So, and then I couldn't, um, there's just a lot of overhead stuff that I can still kind of do in the basement.

It's just not as easy. Um, farmers, I definitely can't do in the basement. other than like a 10-foot walk and then that's kind of pointless. There's just, it is very beneficial to have. It's not something I love. Oh, circus dumbbell.

I couldn't, I literally would have to go to the commercial gym to do circus dumbbell if I didn't have the outside. So, so yeah, I think it is very valuable for like the handful of things that I just don't have the overhead clearance for or the overall space for moving. Okay.

So you settle on three? Is that what you said? Yeah, I think that's three. So I'm hoping, the more we're talking. about this the more I'm understanding that it is just amenities and not actual equipment. So maybe I fucked myself and like the next two are going to be like staircase and like fucking stickers or something.

No, no, no, no, no. These like these are things that, oh, well, I'll explain after I'm done. But the next one, the next one is flip number scoreboard. Dude, that's fucking number one. Like, I think that thing is fucking awesome. That has been, the fact that it's not on Jim Raider, Tanner can go fuck himself. because like it is the coolest most awesome thing. And like 40 people, I think, have bought it in the last couple years.

And I don't know if I stole it from Hogan or I got it from C. It was definitely not my. I wasn't the first crew to do it. But I've had like at least 10 crew DM me for like, hey, what's the link? Where'd you buy that or something? And like I see them in other people's videos now. And like, I told that person where to buy that. Like, that's pretty cool.

It's a time saver for me too because now I don't have to go back in and like, I don't like reels, so I don't like, you know, I don't like making reals. I like fucking doing swipe posts. So, but I also want the wait in the fucking video. So before I'd have to go to an external fucking third party app, upload the goddamn video, type out the fucking wait, type out the sets and reps or whatever, and so I could add the date and stuff like that. But then it's like, and then download that fucking video. So it was like, it was like a three minute process just to be able to like edit one video to then post.

Whereas now it's like, I'm good. Like, I'll watch the video if I need to know if I did like one or six reps. but at least the weights right there, and it's plain as day. And it also helps for sorting for my coach even now, too. It's like, okay, why I can look at the preview and be like, all right, that's, that's 365, and that was 405. I need to send them on the top set. I'm going to grab the 405 or something like that. So I think it's fucking awesome.

I'm almost debating on finding, like, maybe a slightly more compact one and throwing at my gym bag and taking it with me. But then it's like, then I'd be the douchebag at the strongman gym, like putting my weight out for the video. But like, it would also, I think it'd be, I don't know. I wish I had what the weight was on my video last week when I posted my circus dumbbell because that's the one I didn't I didn't edit it and add the caption in before I posted and I probably wish I did because now when I look at it, it's like unless I go to the to the text body, it's like I don't know how much weights on it. So number one, like I don't care what number two is like that thing out of everything listed so far that is 100% number one.

I love that fucking thing. I've never seen somebody so impassioned by an inanimate object. It is what it is, buddy. that's all well like you're you're and it sounds silly and i know i think we said hogan has one but you i associate them with you because i shortly after i joined is when everybody was really like was hounding you for the the source of the the um the wonderful scoreboard yeah because they can't go on jim radar and find it for some reason i don't know what but i think that predates jim radar because that was that no it's yeah i've i've had that for a couple years i think at least So you, I think your video, your YouTube video is when it really started to gain traction in the Discord.

I love that thing. Okay. Well, then I guess, I mean, number two. Yeah. The last one, the PR bell. Oh, I mean, eh. Oh, that's actually pretty good. I'm okay with that.

Like, because the PR, because I can, I don't have a PR bell in the garage and I just have to, and I've, like, experimented with, like, I took a hammer and, like, hit the keg once. It's like, and I just didn't have the same thing. And, but what I don't do anymore. is like, fucking, like, pound the keg with my fist or,

like, the side of my fist because that fucking hurt. Um, I do need to get some type of bell in the garage, but I haven't, honestly haven't been doing a ton of stuff out there because,

um, like everything I'm doing with right now with Jake, I can do in the basement for the most part. And then I've been going to the East Ave for the Strongman gym for events and stuff. So it's like, I don't have to, I haven't had to utilize the garage.

There hasn't, which has been great because I don't really want to be out there 90% of time because the weather's so ass. But yeah, I think it's like, so I'm okay with that rundown. The bell and the weights could be interch- Would be the, but I don't even, I think if I, if you gave me, I can flip one. Like, I can do one flip. I don't even know if I would flip that.

I think I'm content with that list. Like that's what I think I would rate it out unblind. All right. Stamp it. Send it. So, all right. Big Brandon. Yes, sir.

Are you, are you, how up are you on Kentucky? Colonels. Not up at all, but we can go for it, though. We had a, sure. We had a kernel on this episode. Big, I cannot remember her name.

It's not that active anymore, but one of our female cooked, one of our chips from like year one. I don't want to guess. I don't know that I've seen her post anything in two years, but she was a certified Kentucky colonel. Yeah, there's a, I mean, it's like,

not super difficult process to become a Kentucky colonel. Okay, well, that's not as exciting. I'm going to skip that one. It was going to be a Mount Rush for, but that's not as exciting. I got you. Let's do, I'll do a blind ranking with you if you're okay with that. Sure, absolutely.

I was going to do one long game and one quick game. Oh, okay. So blind ranking, and this is things that outsiders associate with Kentucky. Okay. Number one, or the first one is Hollers. Oh. So is me answering me saying that, they like number one would be they associated a lot with Kentucky and number five.

I'm sorry. You're how you put like your your ranking of how you feel about these things. Oh, okay. Gotcha. So like if you think if you think haulers are not as cool as people think. I got you. As interesting as they. Yeah.

Yeah. Actually. Your firefighter perspective might change like for this hauler specifically. Well, some of them are going to know what a fucking hauler is. So maybe explain what. Right. Sorry to, sorry to take that. Well, and that's the thing.

People don't know what a holler is probably. It's funny. Like where I live in Kentucky, I bet 50% of people probably have never heard of holler anyways. So, but knowing some guys, especially like Wesley and Hunter, I mean,

they live down in a holler, I'm sure. So to me, it's a valley would be a holler. But I don't know about what you guys would call a holler. That's what I would explain it to be. I do like that terminology, though.

I think it's, you know, it's pretty regional, I'm sure. You know, I would say what, like, Western West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky and... Oh, we used it all the time. Yeah. I've heard it all the time. Right. So I'm going to say, just because not knowing what's coming up, I'm going to go ahead and put a three on a holler. Okay.

Land between the lakes. Oh, Land Between the Lakes is pretty awesome. But I'm afraid now you're going to have to have... some others like that. So I also am one that enjoys backpacking. Nothing like long trips or things like that, but two and three-day trips and a couple trips. One of the most recent ones I've been on has been Lamb Between Lakes.

And what is land between the lakes and 10 seconds? It's a very popular spot that you can go backpacking and there are, you know, hills and, I mean, just awesome terrain. And it's literally between too late. Like it's it. The term and the name is, you know, in it there. Yeah. I'm going to go.

Go ahead. I was going to go ahead and give it a ranking. So if you want to continue responding. Yeah. I was going to say it's like on the west. It's like the western part of Kentucky. Almost is it the Illinois border, like a southern Illinois border. Yeah.

And it's just like a national or a state park. I can't remember. But yeah, it's just two lakes and then not quite an island. I don't think is it? No, I don't think so. Yeah. But. Neat.

I'm going to go two on that. Okay. It's a big one. All right. Baseball bats. Oh, okay. Man, see. This game is always fun because you don't know what's coming up.

So you're kind of... Yeah. I like the fact that Louisville is known for making baseball bats with the Louisville Slugger. The Louisville Slugger Museum is pretty cool. it's also a pretty cool just tour that you but I'm going to go with five not knowing what else is coming up

okay and I'll admit I have more than five things here so I'm trying to pick sure I'm trying to pick one's it I'll do okay for the fourth one I'm going to pick or I'm going to go with mammoth caves

oh I haven't been to mammoth cave since I was a kid I do really I do remember actually remember it so I guess that means something I believe Mammoth Cave is the largest correct me if I'm wrong

the largest connected cave in the United States. Is that correct? Like there's not broken up in any way. Okay. That's my understanding at least of what it is. Let's go with four. All right.

And then the last We got one, two. Yeah, so I guess the last one, we're round out. This is just my personal favorite is bluegrass music. Okay. I'm not super. It's not that I'm not into bluegrass. Well, I guess I can say I'm not into it.

It's not that I dislike bluegrass. Sure. So I do only have one left. So I guess it's number one. One. One, yeah. Which is fine with me because a lot of times, especially around here, you know, if you go to somewhere like a bar or like a,

a brewery or something like that, when they have live music, it's almost always bluegrass. So I will say in a live music setting, I would rather it be bluegrass than like somebody trying to do, you know what I mean? Like, because bluegrass is immediately like translatable to me.

Like I can just like, you can hear it, you can understand it. Like I can hear the lyrics. But if it was somebody up there like, I don't know, with a certain different type of style or rock band, sometimes I can get kind of lost in translation.

So I'm okay with that. Awesome. Fun game. Big Keith, we got, we'll do a Mount Rushmore for each of you guys and we'll round us out. This one, you may not like this one, Keith. I don't know yet. Mount Rushmore, birthday meal spots in Rochester. Oh, pass.

I'm good. I got enough kit for that last time. We can just let Braden have it. I'm not giving you guys more. cannon fodder. Oh, come on. We'll do, I got a couple of other ones loaded here. So, we'll do a least, another least fun, most fun.

I like least fun, most fun. Okay, least fun, most fun. Having memes made from your ass. That's, that was good. That's a really good topic for that. Yeah. Least fun, most the most fun, I guess, is just the

the laughter kind of brings to myself and other. and it's just kind of, you know, staying relevant, it's not the right term, but like, it's not my face, but somehow people still manage to involve my person, I was going to say persona, my person, in some, you know, continuous bit. So I guess that's the, you know, not getting, uh, the evolution of the Keith head is, took a side detour to the Keith ass, which is just funny. It's just, it's just amusing.

And this is all stuff my friends do. and I'm not really part of. So that was the least, so the worst, I guess, is, the worst would be when someone had, specifically the ass, when someone, like,

edited it and put my face in the ass, I think, maybe, but then they, like, did it doubled. So then my ass was, like, twice.

I already have an enormous ass, but they made my ass look like three times bigger than it really is. And then, like, so the self-consciousness aspect, ass aspect of me, if you will, kind of kicked in.

So, like, basically anything AI generated that makes me look fatter than I am when I'm already, oh, I'm already self-conscious about my weight and I know I'm fat. And I'm like, wait, you just, that's not what my, my face is fat, but it's not that fat. So yeah, all AI generation that makes me look worse is the least fun. Okay. And then, uh, Brandon, this is, this is a, I guess a twist on FMK.

It's one that I've played before called keep tweak trash. So it's... Tweet trash. Yeah, so keep is like something of the three, it's three categories like FMK or three topics. Keep is what you would keep as is. Tweek would be something that you would like,

that you enjoy, but you could find something to make better or find a way to make it better, and then trash is something you could do without totally. Okay. I think I know where you're going to go with this, but I just, I whip this together quickly. So the three topics,

the three categories are, Stashes, speeding with blue lights on your truck, and 48-hour shifts. Nice. This is interesting. And I guess I'm stereotyping a little bit because the firefighters, the volunteer firefighters around us, they all have blue lights. Blue lights. Okay. Yeah.

So, yeah. So around here, volunteer firefighters at least, which are very few and far between nowadays, but years and years ago, I mean, well, 20 years ago, I started as a volunteer. We had red lights, trucks. Red. But that's neither here nor there because they basically just don't exist in this county anymore. So we'll trash that just because that won't hurt any feelings either because they don't exist. But if it were to hurt feelings, I would still trash it if that tells you anything.

And then mustaches and the other one was, remind me the other one? 48-hour shifts. 48-hour shifts. Man. or multi-day shifts, I guess. Yeah. Is your hours just changed to that recently, right? They did change that.

So I went from, I was initially, I was 2448 for like 16 years. And then we just voted and changed to 4896. And man, I got to say I really like it so far too. So I'm going to have to say keep that because it hasn't, like it's been since July 1. So it's been fairly recent. And I'm not going to say right now it's life-changing, but I feel like it has the potential to become life-changing for me, especially like Keith knows. I've had sleep issues and things like that in the past. So I think it's kind of improved that aspect of my life a little bit.

So I'm going to have to keep that. Tweaking the mustache is interesting, though, because I'm not sure where you go with that other than I would just have to change my physical appearance of my mustache as it is today. Because I could do that. There's all kinds of mustache. owls, you know. Sure. Just don't do the Hitler. You think it'll be okay.

What's that mean? I'm just. Just joking. I'm not elaborating. Yeah. I do have a follow-up question for Brandon. So in West Virginia, I don't know if it's a like there's a most,

a large amount of the firefighters were volunteers and like there weren't a ton of paid stations. So they would, so like all the volunteers would have just white lights. in their personal vehicles and use that to race to the firehouse. That's what I was thinking he was more talking about. Yeah, and that's exactly what I think he was talking about. Yeah.

Okay. So, yeah, so I guess in Pennsylvania they use blue lights. In Kentucky, we use red or a combination of red and white I've seen also. And I'll go on the record about volunteer firefighters. I do think there's a very strong need for volunteer firefighters, especially out in the counties that don't have money to pay for a firefighter, right? But there's a difference, you know, a lot of times. And you could, and I'm sure you all know.

But good, good questions, good group of questions. Yeah. All right. That's, I, I kill over like five games for each year, but we'll just, we'll cap it there because we're up on, I don't want to be here on night. No, I appreciate that. You had reached out a couple days a week or so ago. And we're like, hey, we haven't really had any games lately. Is that something you guys still doing?

I was like, yeah, man, we do whatever the guest wants to do. It's their opportunity. Like, and you can kind of tell who's. And it's not even if they don't ask us anything. It's just they're just more shy or whatever. But like I love the in-depth approach you took this week. So that's always more fun for the hosts for sure. Sure.

Take note next week. Yeah, yeah. It's been a world when I can't even tell you who then I guess. Like I know who it is and like I know we're going to. I actually do know what it is. But yeah, it's been a very wild couple. Yeah. Well, I think we covered everything we need to cover.

So one more time, Big Mike, what's your name? Where are we going to find you? On the Discord on Big Mike E. On Instagram, I am at Hey Bopper on Jim Radar. I am at Schlicht Garage String. And how do you say that last name one more time for everybody? Errit. Errit.

And how did you explain that to Keith earlier how to pronounce? I don't know if that will make the recording or not. Like a record scratch. Eric. Like a record scratch. Erritt. Errit. Errant.

Ur-E-R-D-R-D-D. That's awesome. You do. Brandon, where are you at, buddy? On Instagram, I'm O'Doyle underscore Basement, underscore Lifts. On the Discord, I am Big Brandon O'Doyle-Rules. And on Jim Radar, I am O'Doyle Rules Barbell Club. Nice.

We got an Instagram, Unpaid Underrated Podcast. We've got the website, Unpaid Internpodcast.com. Most importantly, in Massonomics Discord, we got the U&U channel. We'd love to get any feedback, positive, preferred, but we'll take some negative. but, you know, we'll don't know what to do with that part, but for the most part, just go in there. Anything you wanted to talk about from the podcast, go chit-chat in the Discord about that, and, you know, tell us what you think of the guest, the co-host, myself. Just keep all conversations there because it's a lot easier than, you know, getting a bunch of DMs.

So just keep it all public, and we'll be happy with that. And I'm Keith Honeycutt 73 on Instagram. More importantly, go off all my orange gym than a wine cellar. Until then, see you next Tuesday.