Unseen - The Babes in the Wood Murders | The Case of Rachael, Karen & Nicola | UNSEEN

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

“Not guilty lads!” On December 10, 1987, a man bursts out of the Brighton court room to inform the gathered crowd: his brother, Russell Bishop, has just been found not guilty of the double murder of two 9-year-old girls. There is just one problem: the jury has made a terrible mistake. Letting Bishop walk free will put an entire community in grave danger—and he would have gotten away if it wasn’t for a courageous 7 year-old who will step up to avenge the infamous Babes in the Wood murders. To support Rachael’s ongoing healing journey: https://www.gofundme.com/f/rachael-russell-bishop-survivor- Credits: Written, directed and edited by Justin Chalifoux Researched by Manon Lafosse Voiceover by William Akana Produced by Alexandra Salois & Salim Sader Sources: “The girl who caught a killer”, Sky UK Limited, 2025 (Plimsoll Productions, part of ITV’s Studios / Sky Documentaries) “Babes in the Wood”. Faces of Evil, Woodcut Media, Crime + Investigation 2024 “The Babes in the Wood killer”. Faking it, Tears of a crime. Discovery Corporate Services Limited, 2024. (Woodcut Media, Crime + Investigation) “Russell Bishop”. Britain Most Evil’s Killer. Woodcut Media Productions (part of Anthology group), 2020 (Sky, Woodcut media LTD) “Babes in the wood” Trevor McDonald Documentary, Atticus Pictures, 2019 “The babes in the wood murders”, Once upon a crime. IWC Media Limited and Motion Content Group Limited, 2021 “The babes in the wood murders”, The Prosecutors. Gold Star Productions Ltd, 2018 (BBC Open University partnership) October 1986, UK Crime Watch, BBC Woman’s Hour Podcast, Weekend Woman's Hour: Rachael Watts, Dr Rosemary Coogan, Part-time Work, Failing the 11 Plus, 2022, BBC Studios Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If it was held there, then it squeezed quite high. Did that hurt when you put the signs after you put it? What do you think he did? This is seven-year-old Rachel Watts. Just hours before this footage was recorded, Rachel was found wandering alone by the side of the road with her clothes missing and covered in bruises. The woman on the right is Rachel's mom.

She was told by police not to show any emotion because it could cause Rachel to shut down, and they need her to talk. Can you tell me what happened on my mother? and stop the car? He took me out and then took me into the clearing in the wood. And did he say anything to you when you opened up? He did he say, good time, right?

And did he carry you straight to the clearing? Or did he take you somewhere else to us? Did he put you somewhere else? He just kind of straight to the clearing? Mm-hmm. Notice how for the first time, Rachel is looking down, dangling her little, her legs nervously. That's because she's hiding something, something she doesn't want anyone to know. Yesterday, when we were talking to hospital, you said that the man got you in the back of the car.

Do you know the bad? Did they never touch you at all? For the first time, Rachel's mom is hearing the details of what happened to her daughter, which makes keeping calm incredibly difficult. Rachel, however, is too terrified to talk, and what she says next is not the full story. You didn't touch the wrong with the truth, but you put me in my car and checked you know to get me. Did you only touch your face, such you? When wearing the back of the car, he put his hands around my mouth and delivered his hands around my neck. When you put his hand on your mouth, can you show me how you did that you make?

I see it so. And then you said he put his around around your foot. surround ground your throat? My head just so fast so I couldn't stand in my bubble. Did that hurt when you put the signs after you put? Can you show me or me? How he did it? If it was held there, then it squeezed quite hard. Rachel is afraid that the man who tried to kill her will come back for her.

The problem is, she will have to face him again. February 7, three days after the attack, Rachel is standing behind her. Rachel is standing behind a one-way mirror just a few feet away from a line of suspects. And I'm going to ask you in a moment whether the person who moved short on that day is here. But Rachel has no idea that someone in this lineup has already killed two other girls, and if she can't point him out, he will strike again. The year is 1990. In a suburb of Brighton called White Hawk on the southern coast of England,

seven-year-old Rachel is living a happy life with her loving parents, Jenny and Peter. On that particular day, Rachel is out roller skating while her dad is working in the front garden. She asks him for money to go buy a chocolate bar at the local candy store. It's around 4 p.m. when Rachel rolls away in her white roller skates. Just a little over an hour later, Rachel's parents are beginning to worry that she hasn't come home yet when suddenly there's a knock at the door. It's the police. Rachel is in the hospital. She was found by a couple on Devil's Dyke Road, over seven miles from her home.

I saw her come out from behind this bush. She was completely naked, kind of hands like this and crying. Her hair was all disheveled. There was blood in delicate places that I couldn't care to mention. I jumped out of the car and ran towards it. and she said to me, are you going to kidnap me? And I said to her, no, we're here to help you. You're going to be okay.

It's clear to the couple what happened to her, and they're horrified. They rush Rachel over to the closest house and called the police. When the police officer came, she just said, am I mom? I said, yes. That was when she said Rachel was, yeah. the hospital. Sorry, it's still raw now, even after all these years. Rachel's mother, Jenny, rushes over to the hospital in Brighton, where she's met by police officer, Deborah Wood. Before she's allowed to go see her daughter, Jenny is asked to do the

impossible. She's told she cannot show her daughter she's upset, or it may cause her to shut down, and for now, police still need to interrogate her. Debbie said to try and be strong. Try not to show the emotions. She was sitting in bed with a coloring book. And I just sat there with her while she coloured. And I'm going to ask you in a moment whether the person whom you saw on that day is here. Three days later, Rachel is asked to identify her attacker. Police have arranged a lineup consisting of one suspect and nine lookalikes. One of them is a man named to Russell Bishop, Someone police have accused of murder before, but in 1987, after being acquitted of all charges

against him, Russell Bishop walked free. It all starts on October 9, 1986, the day Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows go missing. What time were they last seen? About how far away unless she's going to go to a little friend's house? And how am I speaking to now, Mrs. Hadaway? Who's the other mother? And she's... Mrs. Fellows? Right, and they're two nine-year-old girls? Two nine-year-old.

Over 150 police officers and neighbors of the families have been searching the large wooded area near the girls' homes. But after nearly 24 hours, with no sign of them, people are beginning to lose hope they'll be found alive. The story gains national attention, and Karen and Nicholas' parents go on television to ask the public for help. Did she ever run away from home before? No, you don't think that they've just run away for fun? No, the failure up to something mischief, but what I can't think. She's just gone. And Nicky, they're both.

The only why they've gone is if someone's picked them up. Come home, darling, police. That is not going to tell you off. Just come home. Please, now. It's 4pm. October 10th, police officer Paul Smith is walking towards Wild Park, just a few streets down from where the two girls live,

when he has the strangest encounter. I was doing house-to-house inquiries and a result of a radio message. I went across to the other side of the road, which is Wild Park. This voice behind sort of showed, what are you doing? The voice is that of Russell Bishop. Russell lives in Mulskoom and is close to the families of the two girls.

He's part of the search efforts and has been walking around with his dog. And he said to me, we've been tracking all day, but it's getting late now and we're going to give up. So I said to him, no, no, we've got to keep looking. And he said, well, if I find him and they're dead, I'll get Nick, well now. And it was quite strange. I mean, why did he say that?

What made him so that? Bishop is known by the police for his petty criminal history. Car theft, shoplifting. Everyone around the estate considers him to be a bit of a joke. But his comment doesn't go unnoticed. As the men are walking back into Wild Park, they hear two boys screaming the words, We found them, we found them.

Russell Bishop runs off toward the voice, faster than Officer Paul Smith can catch up. I said to Bishop, look, you keep them away from the girls and you keep away from the girls. I was right behind him, and I got there and stepped between him and the two girls. They were there as if they were sunbathing. Nicola Fellows was on her back with one knee up, and Karen Addaway was laying on her stomach with her arm round as if she was asleep. They were deranged like that.

I went across to them and I took their pulse. Sorry, it still gets me. I took the pulse and there was stone cold dead, like pieces of marble. One of the police officers come and tell me that, yes, she's been found. And I said, oh, great, great, you know, and I said, has anything happened to her? This day of my life. That I lost my door up.

I was actually in the park. And they were found. And when I see the tapes come out, I just knew that something bad. You know, I just collapsed on a heap on the floor. A worst thing I ever had to do in my life was go down and light anti-fire. It depends not so that you put it to be done it. I'd to walk away. The crime has a devastating effect on the community.

Everyone is terrified for their own children. Detectives interview over 10,000 people and what will become the largest murder hunt in Sussex. One name keeps coming up. Russell Bishop was always a person of interest. Everybody was saying, why is he doing this? Why has he done that? Bishop is known to both families, so the girls knew him very well, which means it wouldn't have been hard for Bishop to convince them to follow him into the woods. There were multiple sightings of Russell Bishop in and around the area at the time the girls went missing. Once more, one witness says they saw Bishop wearing a blue sweatshirt that night.

The description matches that of a blue sweatshirt, which was found discarded on a trail, close to where the bodies were found, and that trail leads to Russell Bishop's house. On the blue sweatshirt show, there were ivy spores that were consistent with where the girls had been found, but inconsistent with where it had been dumped. There were traces of fibers from the girl's clothing on the sweatshirt. It became very clear that whoever had murdered Nicla and Karen had been wearing the sweatshirt at the time they did that. In order to confirm they'd have the right suspect, detectives have to connect Russell Bishop

to that sweatshirt. But in 1986, DNA science is still in its infancy. However, forensic analysis reveals the red stains on the sweatshirt are not blood, but a very specific type of paint the same red paint Bishop was seen using on two of his friend's cars. This could indicate it was in fact Russell Bishop's sweatshirt, but they need to be sure. As Russell Bishop is being interrogated by police at the station, officers take the blue sweatshirt to his house where they're greeted by Russell's girlfriend, Jenny Johnson. The first thing she says when she opens a door is, oh, you've brought Russell's sweatshirt

back. Jenny has no idea that she has just incriminated her boyfriend. The two officers take a sworn statement from her, which she signs without hesitation. proving that Russell Bishop owned the sweatshirt that was worn by the girl's killer. And we thought this is it. He's guilty of having killed these two children. Thought that there was sufficient evidence to convict. Bishop was the murderer, no doubt whatsoever. On December 4th, Russell Bishop was charged with the murder of the two girls. Since that time, he's continued to deny both killings.

I thought, it can't be in. Why would it be in? He comes to the house in retirement. I play football with him on Sundays. Never think somebody who you knew would actually come along and do such a terrible thing. November 1987, more than a year after the murders, Russell Bishop's trial begins. The entire country is watching. Everyone wants to see justice for the girls they call the babes in the wood. And the prosecution is convinced they have a strong case.

But there's one thing they couldn't have accounted for. When Jenny Johnson, Russell Bishop's girlfriend, takes a stand. She changes her entire story. Jenny Johnson made a statement to the police that that sweatshirt was owned by Russell Bishop. And in the court, too many said Russell Bishop never owned that sweatshirt. She said to the court that she was forced to sign this statement. The police forced to decide it. The prosecution knows Jenny Johnson is lying under oath to protect her boyfriend, but they have no way of proving it.

Because the blue sweatshirt can no longer be linked to Bishop, the defense argues that almost anyone could have killed the two girls. The case falls apart. After four weeks of trial, the jury is asked to deliberate. The man who had been accused of murdering two schoolgirls from Brighton has been found not guilty. Everyone was just stunned. What could possibly have gone wrong? We knew that it was Bishop. Everybody knew that it was Bishop, yet he'd walked free.

In 1987, there's a law called Double Jeopardy, which states that a person cannot be tried twice for the same crime. Once acquitted, Russell Bishop can never be tried again for the murders of those two little girls, even if police could find irrefutable proof that he is the killer. As Bishop leaves the courtroom, he puts his hands in the air and shouts, I'm innocent. He then rushes through the line of reporters to go celebrate at the pub across from the courthouse with his brothers and his girlfriend. The Hadoey and the fellow's families are devastated. They know they will never see justice for Karen and Nicola. You feel like everyone's laughing at you, you know?

You feel like they're looking at you and thinking that those little girls' lives were worthless. I was so angry. I thought, but who could have done it then? It's less than four months since Russell Bishop was cleared of murdering Karen Haddon and Nicola Fellows. Since the trial, Russell Bishop has been trying to readjust to family life. As months pass, a wrongfully accused Russell Bishop takes a spotlight while the country forgets about the real victims. The Sussex police are convinced that Russell Bishop is guilty and that they had the right man. But with the double jeopardy law, there's no use in them

continuing the investigation. This anchors the public, and everyone is demanding answers. The parents of Nicola and Karen are determined that the case shouldn't be dropped. There's two little girls in a cemetery up in Brighton, and if only for them, we've got to get to the bottom of it. Fifty people set off in a march from Brighton's Wild Park. As part of the protest, a petition was handed to the police calling for the case to be reopened. I'm adamant that my daughter's killer should be found. I won't rest till this man or people I brought to justice. August 19, 1989, the parents organize a march to force Sussex police to reopen the case.

Among those who participate in the protest is Russell Bishop. I suppose some people might be surprised that you're now linking up with the parents of the two murdered schoolgirls, having been accused yourself of their murder. People are very surprised people keep asking me, why do I keep on and on and on? The fact is I want to see this case we're open. My name isn't cleared until someone else's support the justice, a real person. everybody that knew anything about the case was sickened by seeing him behave like that

if he had any sense of decency he would have shut himself away but he had to put himself front and centre everyone can see that Russell Bishop is using the protest organized by the families of the victims as a platform to improve his public image seeing the smirking

Russell Bishop seeing the parents of the kids who had been murdered and knew that Bishop had done it, it was horrific. After his acquittal, Bishop received 15,000 pounds from the tabloid news of the world to publish his version of the story as a victim of this miscarriage of justice. In the article, the Bishop family explicitly frames Barry Fellows, Nicholas' father, as being a better suspect. He said that during the police inquiry, nine people appeared to be suspects, and Barry Fellows was one of them.

He said it was not unknown for a father to kill his daughter. Hasn't been more heart-to-stomach in the sense that you've been accused of possibly being involved in the whole affair? Just saying that anyone could say that I killed my little girl, no way. No way, no way at all. I deny it infatically. I love that girl. However, after a full investigation by Sussex Police, they find the accusations to be baseless. Barry Fellows is completely innocent and cleared of all charges, but the damage is already done.

The house, it was covered in Cavite, murderer. We don't want you here. Get away. Dispicable people. Nicola Fellows father, Barry, felt moved to make a statement as to rumours and suspicion about him. There are various people out there who have accused me of various crimes. It's not only hurts me personally, but it hurts my wife and sister. son even more. Russell Bishop got what he wanted. He's no longer the villain of his community. And on February 2nd, 1990, the Sussex Police sent Bishop a letter confirming that the case of the Babes in the Wood is officially closed, which means someone has gotten away with murder. February 4, 1990, two days after Bishop receives that letter is the day 7-year-old Rachel is kidnapped. We're just going to talk about what we talked about yesterday at a hospital.

Okay. Go on. At around 4pm, Rachel is out roller skating while her dad is working in the garden. It was really sunny. It was really warm. My dad gave me a pound to go to the local sweet shop, but because we'd been living there not very long, I got lost. So what did you order to buy? Oh, did a brand.

Trix and mother. Did Daddy say anything to you? Daddy said anything to you? What's he said? Be careful. I saw a man and he was fixing his car. And my dad's a mechanic. So, because he was a mechanic just like my dad, I asked him for directions.

Rachel has no time to react. Without a word, the man snatches her off the street and throws her in the trunk of his car. Then the car speeds off. Rachel is terrified, but her mind remains sharp. She looks around the trunk illuminated by the brake lights and finds a can of WD40 and a hammer. She starts hammering on the lid of the trunk as loud as she can, screaming at the top of her lungs. I screamed that I would give him money because I had the pound that my dad gave me. His only response was, Shut up or I'll kill you. She then starts to untie her roller skates and takes them off

because she knows that without them, she stands a better chance of running away once the man opens the trunk. Can you tell me what happened when they'll stop the car? They took me out, took me into it. Did he carry you straight to him clearly? Or did he take you somewhere else to us? Or did he put you somewhere else? He depends on the clean up.

Yesterday, when we were talking with poster, You said that the man got you in the back of the car? Do you know the bad? Did the never touch you at all? With her time. With her mom sitting next to her in the interrogation room, Rachel admits parts of the story.

She says nothing about what happened in the back seat of the car. And to investigators, it means she doesn't remember. I have a big secret. It's been in my head for the last 30-odd years. Everybody believed that he strangled me before he sexually assaulted me. I don't know whether I knew at the time. I do know the reason why I didn't talk to my parents and tell them about it earlier

was because I was ashamed. When we got to Devil's Dyke, he took me out and threw me on the back seat. He told me to take off all my clothes, and I just complied. I was conscious when he sexually assaulted me. The man then puts his hands around her throat. Rachel can't breathe, but before she can say anything, she blacks out. He then carries Rachel into the woods. and abandons her, convinced that she's dead.

When she comes to, Rachel is alone and unable to stand. She fumbles her way out of the bushes, but she's dizzy and keeps falling over. I just remember it being really cold and knowing that I had to find help. I saw some headlights. My first thought was that it was him again and that he was here to finish me off. But she quickly realizes that if she doesn't approach those headlights, she's going to freeze to death. When she finally sees a shape in the dark, it's a young couple offering a blanket and their help. After being admitted to the hospital, Rachel is reunited with her mom.

I was worried that she'd be crossed because I'd lost my brand new jumper. That's what I was afraid of. Rachel just didn't want to go to bed when she came home. And I remember Rachel was sitting on the sofa picking the thorns out of her feet. It just doesn't bear thinking about. As a father, you think that you can protect your family, your children, but you can't. And you can't blame anybody except yourself because that's what you're there for as a parent, isn't it? You bring them up, you protect them.

And you're fouled? And now go with me, Joe. The age. At first light, over 100 officers began the most intensive search undertaken by Sussex Police since the Wild Park Murder Inquiry. With the details given by Rachel,

police are quickly able to start the investigation. They're looking for a white male with a mustache, driving a red car. As the information is shared with the unit, detectives are informed that someone they know all too well. was seen driving a red car that same night. Russell Bishop.

A couple of officers drove up to his house and saw him scrubbing as if his life depended on it, his car. When we opened up the boot lid, we saw the WD40, we saw the hammer, we saw the chip marks in the lid to the boot. There was clothing fibers which later matched up to the ones that the little girl was wearing. There was blood and there was semen. immediately linking the little girl to Bishop. Bishop is immediately put under arrest.

In an effort to make sure Bishop doesn't escape justice, Rachel is asked to face her attacker once more. I remember the line up. I did ask, would he be able to see me? And I'm going to ask you in a moment to look through the window at the line of men who are sitting there. I shall then ask you whether the person who moves for on the day is here. I don't think I let go of my mum's hand.

You think it's number nine? The man Rachel points out is, in fact, Russell Bishop. On December 13, 1990, Russell Bishop is found guilty of kidnapping, indecent assault and attempted murder. Here, a man who was acquitted of murdering two girls in Brighton. three years ago has been jailed for trying to murder a girl of seven. The judge sentenced Bishop to life imprisonment for attempted murder, 10 years imprisonment for kidnapping, and 10 years imprisonment for sexual assault. And while everyone is relieved that he finally got what he deserved,

there is no celebration in the courtroom, no cheers. Because everyone in Brighton is convinced Bishop killed Karen and Nicola in 1986 and that he should never have been allowed to walk free. The parents of the two Brighton school girls who Bishop had been cleared of murdering three years ago were among those in court. It's no less than what he deserved. And it don't stop there, I'll tell you that now. My fight and justice for my daughter, I don't stop there.

Justice prevailed for that little girl. But the unfortunate thing is it wasn't justice for Karen and Nicola. I say life goes on, but don't. They're still there. It hasn't gone away from me. Do you know, I still do you know, I still do. do. I still go in shops and look for clothes for her, thinking, oh, that looked nice on her. And while the families of Karen Hadoey and Nicola Fellows continued to fight in their daughter's

names, Rachel returns to her family life. She is granted anonymity by the court and is hoping everything will go back to the way it was, and for more than a decade, she has managed to live a normal life. Until one day, the phone rings. Russell Bishop is up for parole. I thought a life sentence is a life sentence. Then I found out that life in Russell Bishop's case meant only 14 years just because he didn't actually kill me. It's 2004. Rachel is now 22 years old and the news is terrifying. Bishop, who has been in jail for the last 14 years, is due to be released at any moment. She's convinced Bishop will come back for her. It's 2005, and finally, there's hope for Rachel and for the fellows in Hadoys.

The double jeopardy law, an 800-year-old law preventing anyone from being tried twice for the same crime, is repealed. This means, with new evidence, Bishop could be retried for the 1986 murders of Karen and Nicola, but they need to act fast before he gets out on parole. The key thing that they need is new and compelling evidence, and they only get one child. to present that evidence. A new investigation is opened on the 1986 murder case, but gathering new and compelling evidence proves to be harder than expected. I used to have nightmares that he would climb up a ladder

and get through my bedroom window and come and finish me. Ever since that phone call, Rachel has been terrified of Bishop being released. She's developed a condition called agoraphobia, which prevents her from ever leaving the house. As years past, Bishop's parole continues to be denied, but until he's put away for good, Rachel will never feel at ease. Finally, in 2013, there's a break in the case.

The sweatshirt was still central to this investigation. Bishop had always denied any knowledge of the shirts at all. And Roy Green decided that he would test the inside of a tear on the cuff of the sweatshirt. And it came back with Bishop. The discovery is huge, but there's just one problem. Scientists can't say for sure that the sweatshirt was not contaminated back in 1986. This means that any new DNA found on the sweatshirt is inadmissible. However, when the bodies were found, forensic pathologists had taken tapings

from the girl's arms and kept them under seal. Back then, they didn't have the signs to examine them for DNA. When we examined those tapings, we recovered mixed profile of DNA of Russell Bishop. and Karen Hadoe. This was massive for us. This was Russell Bishop's DNA on Karen Hadoe's arm. This could be the new compelling evidence investigators need to win this case.

In May 2016, Russell Bishop is taken out of his prison cell. He is convinced his parole has finally come. I'm risking you on suspicion and notice that you could tell us on the Royal Browns Thursday, 19 October,

1926. Tell us what happened to me. I've got nothing to say. I'm not responsible for this. I've nothing to do with it. I mean, it's some, some fucking stuff. Geneered up 30 years later. This case has nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with me whatsoever. I cared my name. After his interrogation, Bishop is arrested and sent back to his cell to wait for his third trial. With his DNA on the girl's arms, the prosecution is convinced they have a strong case. But the have no idea that Bishop has a plausible explanation for that and it could destroy the case once more. Russell Bishop arrived in a prison van for the start of the second trial his face

accused of murdering two schoolgirls 32 years ago. Their families were in court for the start of the trial. It's been a long time coming but I am smiling. We're grateful for the first time that someone's actually not slammed a door in our face. 32 years, I know. But then we did say that we'd come to this park every year until we got justice. That's right, justice. October 16th, 2018,

Russell Bishop's retrial for the murders of Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows begins. When the prosecution shows the evidence to the court, the defense insists the sweatshirt was not bishops. And they explain why his DNA was theft. found on Karen's arm. According to Bishop, he claims that when the bodies were found, he went to check their pulse, something apparently he had told Detective John Morton back in 1986. I got a call asking me to come to the park where some local lads had found the bodies

of the two girls. They had their heads down and were absolutely deflated. I was totally amazed when I saw the other guy who turned out to be Russell Bishop. It was strange because he was standing there shuffling his feet and whistling out loud. So I asked him what happened and he said to me, I jumped over the tree and went to the girls and I felt both of their necks for a pulse. I thought, well, that's really strange because from what the other two had said, I knew Russell Bishop had not gone to within 15 feet of those girls on that afternoon.

Russell Bishop's argument cracks in front of the courtroom. The truth is far more disturbing. After he strangled the two girls to death on October 9, 1986, Russell Bishop participated in the search the next morning. He wanted to be the first on the scene to check their pulse, so he could explain why his DNA was on the girls. The problem is he never got the chance to get close enough. Bishop is furious. He knows he's about to lose. This is when the prosecution reveals one last bit of evidence against Bishop.

letters written by Bishop while he was on trial in 1987 sent to a 13-year-old. The letters are read out loud to the court. And they were incredibly sexually suggestive, and clearly he didn't want those letters to be read out of court. And he started shouting from the dock that he wanted to retrial, but in fact those letters were read out. On December 10th at 1230 p.m., the jury is sent out to deliberate. In less than two hours, they come back.

back with a verdict. A convicted paedophile has been found guilty of murdering two school girls found strangled and sexually assaulted near Brighton 32 years ago. Russell Bishop is finally convicted for the murders he committed in 1986 and for which he escaped justice for 32 years. He is sentenced to an additional 36 years. This is a moment to remember the two girls. We should also acknowledge the courage, persistence and dignity of Karen and Nicholas families.

I sincerely hope the families can now find some peace and move forward to the next chapter in their lives. I said that I'd never stopped fighting for justice and now them little girls can rest in peace. I used to go into the bedroom where her stuff was in the chest when I opened the chest and all that stuff was there and I can just smell her. When the court case finished and we got the verdict

I said when now she can go to her angel bed and go to sleep. She hasn't got to worry about anything now. And I know she's around. You can't see her and you can't feel her, but she's there in spirit. If I could have a wish come true, a dream that had come to pass,

I'd ask to spend a day with you and pray that it would last. I'd run to you and hold you close, we'd laugh and smile again. We would talk about the old times and see how we've both been. My wish go ungranted, but it always will be true. I trade many of my demise for one yesterday with you. Since the trial, Rachel has been on a journey to get back control of her life. She has built a beautiful family with her loving husband. The reason I fell in love with Jay, he made me realize what it was to actually be loved,

and he made sure that I felt it. I had my first daughter when I had just turned 22. She's turned out to be absolutely beautiful. All my children have. I'm very proud of each of them. I'm hoping by telling my story, I will be able to put myself back in the now. I don't want to stay a prisoner of my part.

And I'm hoping that I can stop hiding. I want to be able to go out and spend time with my family. We have dates with my husband and go to a pub and sit in a beer garden in the sunshine. I'm willing to do whatever it takes. I'm still here. And I've still got a fighting chance. Good. That was very good. Right.

The time's now 2.30. And they're concluding the interview. Way to cheer you out to the camera. Oh.