Unseen - The Texas Church Mistress Murders | The Case Of Kari Baker | UNSEEN

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

“How close was he to getting away with murder? Really close.” In the early hours of April 8th, 2006, Pastor Matt Baker makes a frantic 911 call to Waco police—he's just found his wife, Kari, un...responsive in their bed. As police race to the scene, they also call in Linda Dulin, Kari's mother, to take care of the couple's two young daughters. Though the cops don't see anything suspicious, Linda slowly realizes that Kari's husband, Pastor Matt, in spite of his Baptist faith and proclaimed innocence, hides many sins, including a damning search history, secret phone calls, and a past as a predator. Without Linda, the truth might’ve stayed buried - but the Texas mother is determined to uncover what really happened to her daughter, and get justice for her & her granddaughters. Credits: Written, directed & edited by Matthew Rice Researched by Manon Lafosse Voiceover by William Akana Produced by Alexandra Salois & Salim Sader Sources: “Dirty Little Secret.” 20/20: ABC, 2025 (Disney Media Distribution)“The Preacher’s Hidden Life.” 20/20 on ID: ABC, 2011. (Discovery Studio, Tom Jennings Productions & Peacock Productions / Investigation Discovery)“Twist of Faith.” True Crime with Aphrodite Jones: Discovery Communications LLC, 2011. (Discovery Studios / Investigation Discovery). “The Mask of God.” Prosecuting Evil with Kelly Siegler: Magical Elves LP, Wolf Reality LLC., Top Alternative Studio LLC, 2023. (Magical Elves Productions, Green Lake Productions, Wolf Films, Universal Television Alternative / Oxygen True Crime)“The Preacher, His Mistress & Murder.” It Takes A Killer: Bellum Entertainment, 2016. (Bellum South LLC / Sky Vision, Oxygen).“The Preacher’s Wife.” 48 Hours Mystery: CBS News, 2010. (CBS News Productions / CBS ).“Dirty Little Secrets.” 48 Hours Mystery: CBS News, 2010. (CBS News Productions/ CBS).“TX. v. Baker.” Court TV, 2010. Skip Hollingsworth, “The Valley of the Shadow of Death.” Texas Monthly, March 2008.Kathryn Casey, “Deadly Little Secrets: The Minister, His Mistress, and a Heartless Texas Murder,” HarperCollins, 2012.Matt Baker v. State of Texas, 10th Court of Appeals in 19th District Court McLennan County, Texas, June 11 2008.Susan Shafer & Crawford Long, “The Murdering Minister.” The Texas Prosecutor Journal, March-April 2010. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You have been an emergency? My wife is laying in the bed. Her lips are blue, hands are cold. Are you in there with her right now? Is she conscious? This is the voice of Matt Baker. He has just found his wife, Carrie, lifeless in their bed, with a typed letter beside her. But there's one problem.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Carrie didn't write the letter. The note that says I'm sorry, basically. Everybody is shot. Matt and Carrie are pillars of their community. A loving couple with two young daughters. But Matt isn't just a husband. He is a respected Baptist pastor. a rising star in the church.
Starting point is 00:00:31 She was marrying a Baptist minister. How good is that? You couldn't pick a better guy than Matt Baker. After Carrie's death, Matt becomes the face of faith through tragedy, speaking at pulpits, appearing on television, even landing magazine covers. He tells the world how he lost the love of his life and how God carried him through it. But Carrie's mother, Linda Doolin, isn't convinced. Something about Matt's story doesn't sit right.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Carrie had told her that she felt like Matt was having an affair. There's no way I could ever hurt my wife. Like every marriage, you have your ups and your downs. You have your good days and your bad days, but I loved her, and I missed her, and I did not hurt my wife. The death of Carrie Baker might have remained a mystery, if not for a mother who refused to give up, driven by the fear that her grandchildren were living with a murderer. Eventually, a clue is uncovered, a secret message written by Carrie herself, hidden in the pages of her Bible, a message that will expose the truth and help Linda avenge her daughter before
Starting point is 00:01:29 it's too late. It's April 7, 2006. Matt Baker is driving home in the small Texas suburb of Hewitt. It's past 11 p.m. on a Friday night. His wife, Carrie, might still be awake, waiting for him, while their two young daughters, Kenzie and Grace, are likely already fast asleep. But, as the 38-year-old father pulls in the driveway, he has no idea that things are about to take a disturbing turn. That night, Matt had only stepped out for a quick errand, renting a movie and filling up the car. with gas. Now, just before midnight, he walks in and heads to the bedroom, only to find the door locked. When he finally gets it open, he's met with the chilling sight. Carrie, his wife, is lying motionless and unresponsive.
Starting point is 00:02:19 And what's the problem? Tell me exactly what happened. My wife is laying in the bed, and her lips are blue hands are told. Is she conscious? In Hewitt, everyone knows the young couple. Matt and Carrie's love story has all the magic of a fairy tale. Both college students, they met at a camp in the summer of 1994, working side by side, they quickly fell in love, and within just three months, the pair got married. They later settled on the outskirts of Waco to raise their family, welcoming three daughters, Kenzie, Cassidy, and Grace. Matt, the local Baptist minister, is a respected and familiar
Starting point is 00:02:56 figure in the deeply religious community, while Kari, after completing her master's in education, is a devoted mom and beloved third-grade teacher. Faith has always been the foundation of their family, and their life appeared picture-perfect, until now. I put my head to her chest and didn't see a feel her chest rising, no air coming out, felt for pulse, nothing. Okay, listen, carefully. I need you to get her laying flat on her back on the ground and remove any pillows, okay? Okay, put her on the floor. Correct. On the bed and now, put her on the floor.
Starting point is 00:03:25 All right, she needs to be on the floor, yes, sir. Okay, okay. The 911 dispatcher coaches Matt through the CPR process, hoping to revive Carrie while the ambulance is on its way. Remarkably, he keeps his composure, clearly giving their address so first responders can raise to the scene. As they stay on the line, Matt makes another request. His two young daughters are in the house. He can't risk them walking in and seeing their mother like this. He asks if they can call Carrie's parents, the Doolins, to come and care for the girls.
Starting point is 00:03:51 I need to get a hold of their parents. They live in town, and I want them to come over and be with the kids. You get somebody else started on this, okay? Thank you, thank you, thank you. We received a phone call from the 911 operator telling us that we needed to get over to my daughter's house that there had been an accident. We needed to get over there immediately. When the ambulance finally pulls up to the banker's home, the paramedics find Carrie, still lying motionless on the floor. I wrote a little song to remind you, choice hotels get you more of the experiences you value.
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Starting point is 00:04:43 That's when Carrie's mother, Linda, also arrives at the scene. We ran out of the car, and as I started running up to the front of the house, an EMT person stood in front of me and grabbed me and told me that my daughter was dead. The family is in shock. Carrie, a loving mother, a daughter, a loyal wife and beloved teacher, is gone. As everyone tries to make sense of the situation, the medical staff briefly consider if she had a potential hidden medical issue no one knew about,
Starting point is 00:05:24 or maybe this was all a tragic accident. But as police searched the room, they find something unusual. A letter typed and left on the nightstand, it appears to be from Carrie. The detective that night pulled me into the kitchen. He goes, it's pretty obvious what happened. And at that point, my heart sunk. I couldn't believe it. That was the first time for sure.
Starting point is 00:05:47 That's what they claimed it to be. We were truly in shock. It was almost like we were in a trance. And all I kept thinking about, all Jim kept thinking about was that we didn't have a daughter. Our daughter was gone. In Texas, when someone dies suddenly or unexpectedly, it's up to a justice of the peace to decide what happens next. There isn't necessarily a doctor or autopsy involved. So for Carrie, instead of a thorough medical examination, police described the scene over the phone to Justice Billy Martin.
Starting point is 00:06:20 They tell him about what was found in the bedroom and the overall circumstances. And Judge Martin makes his ruling. There's no need for an autopsy. It's April 9, 2006, the day after Carrie's sudden death, the family is in shock, overwhelmed, and barely able to process what's happened. But despite the grief, Matt insists the memorial and burial must happen immediately. He begins making arrangements at their family's Baptist Church, planning the service for the very next day.
Starting point is 00:06:50 By Monday, April 10th, only 48 hours since Carrie's body was found. She is already laid to rest at Oakwood Cemetery. Her memorial, originally planned at the family's church, is moved to one of the city's largest funeral homes to accommodate the overwhelming response from the community. To Linda, it's all moving too quickly, no time to breathe, let alone grieve. But Matt, the Baptist preacher,
Starting point is 00:07:13 tells the family it's best not to delay the healing process. Waco, Texas, Oak Crest Funeral Home, 3 p.m. Hundreds gather in sorrow, Carrie's family, her children, and the indigenous. entire community have come together to mourn. I hurt for her. I hurt that someone hurt enough that they made that choice. We're just trying to put one foot in front of the other and get through this.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Even at the largest funeral home in the city, the space is overflowing. Folding chairs fill the aisles. Friends and neighbors stand shoulder to shoulder along the back walls, spilling into the foyer and leaning through the open doors. During the service, Matt sits motionless in the front row, head in his side of the front row, in his hands, silent through every eulogy and remembrance, and then, at the end, the grieving husband stands at the pulpit with his daughters beside him, promising to everyone he'll return to Crossroads Baptist in only one week. Easter Sunday, God has not abandoned me, he says,
Starting point is 00:08:12 he will give me the strength to carry on. It's Sunday, April 16th, less than a week after the funeral, and only eight days since Carrie's death, Pastor Matt keeps his promise and delivers the Easter sermon at Crossroads Baptist Church. He tells the congregants that just as Jesus has risen, so too has Carrie, into heaven. Ministers from across the country send emails and letters to the family, and to Matt specifically, praising his unwavering faith and courage in the face of tragedy. One woman even offers to teach him how to do his daughter's hair, a beautiful gesture for a father, now parenting girls alone. From the outside, it looks like a community supporting a grieving man as he tries to put his life back together.
Starting point is 00:08:52 He was a single parent working and taking care of these girls. They emotionally attached to the dead very strongly, the younger one especially. In the month following Carrie's death, her family is overwhelmed, trying to come to terms with the tragedy. But Linda, along with her sisters, can't shake the feeling that there's something more to Carrie's death. Something police have missed. They knew Carrie better than anyone. She was vibrant, loving, and full of life. A hands-on mother who adored her daughters, the idea that she would have willingly left them behind is completely out of character.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Linda and her family start examining the evidence themselves and realized that beneath the surface there are several small inconsistencies, each one minor on its own, but together, suggesting that something more sinister may have happened. The first red flag, only ten pictures were taken of the crime scene by the investigators. For any sudden, unexplained death, this is an unusually low amount of photos. There's barely any evidence in the records. Next, everything in the room looked a little too perfectly arranged. Alone, it's possible that the family had simply kept a tidy house, but upon a closer look, it could seem like the scene might have been staged, as if someone carefully planted evidence to have it appear like a tragic death.
Starting point is 00:10:11 The letter beside the bed should have raised immediate suspicion on its own. It was typed, not handwritten, and unsigned. In theory, anyone could have written it. Another unusual detail about the letter is the amount of spelling mistakes. Carrie was a third grade teacher and an educated woman with her masters, known for her attention to detail. The typed letter misspelled words like, too, spelled with a single O in the wrong context. It seemed like it didn't quite match her character or her background. In spite of the many inconsistencies obvious to anyone looking closely at the crime scene,
Starting point is 00:10:44 it seems police are in no rush to question the only person actually at the scene of Carrie's death. Matt is interviewed nearly two months after his wife's passing, and even then, it's only a casual discussion, seemingly only to tick a box not to further any actual investigation into Carrie's death. I just want to sit and talk to me. I just want to talk about what happened. Absolutely. That way we can clear all this up, because I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. I left about 11 years ago. I wasn't gone maybe 40 minutes. You left the house and went down to the gas station? I wasn't even gone long at all. Okay. And so, and that was a strange thing about it is I, I question where she would have taken the medicine.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Personally, this is my opinion. I don't think the medicine is what killed her, but was knocked out enough. Okay. And, and chilled. So now, I don't know if that's just me trying to put stuff together to make it, you know, I don't know. Okay. Mike said, so I just wanted to sit down all that shit about. Matt is calm, cooperative, and consistent in his account. He's able to remain rational, Eager to help detectives with any questions they have, Matt even willingly takes a polygraph test and passes. To the police, there's no reason to think he had anything to do with Carrie's death. I think there's a presumption with a man of God that they have a certain character and a certain ethical base, and we believe that.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Matt Baker was given great latitude in his story, and it wasn't questioned. You hold your preachers up to a higher standard. You never think that your preachers are going to do anything. You don't even want to suspect them. It's got to be a sin to suspect your pastor, right? According to detectives, there's simply nothing pointing to him, or to anyone else for that matter, in the death of Kerry. And the case is open and shut. After talking to Matt, the police are able to walk away, confident with their initial assessment of Carrie's death.
Starting point is 00:12:43 But in spite of police's conclusions, Linda Dulin and her whole family, continue to be. to search for anything, anything at all, that could uncover the truth and explain what really happened with Carrie. Then, around the beginning of May 2006, a clue appears in an unlikely place, as Linda looks through their family phone plan bill, which includes herself, Matt, and Carrie, she stops cold. In the days following her death, Carrie's phone has been used hundreds of times, even calling Matt's number several times. If her daughter is dead, who could possibly have been using her phone?
Starting point is 00:13:15 Matt's explanation is that he gave it to a church member who was in need of a phone after a difficult divorce. Being a generous pastor is one thing, but giving away your dead wife's phone so recently after her passing seems very strange, and something about his tone feels rehearsed. To Linda, there is a shift, not just in his story, but in him. Matt's daughters, five-year-old Grace and nine-year-old Kenzie, who have been living with their father ever since their mom's passing, also notice something strange. All the pictures of Carrie have been removed from the family's house. As weeks go by, Linda and her husband find themselves increasingly pushed out of their granddaughter's lives as well. There were fewer visits, shorter phone calls, and many excuses from Matt about their busy
Starting point is 00:13:57 schedules and hectic routines. It's starting to feel as though Matt is removing Carrie from their lives in small but significant ways. All of a sudden, all the shock I'd been feeling, all this numbness, it was just like it just washed right off of me. And I thought, okay, Linda, we're going to find out what's going on here. And after that, we went into battle mode. Linda and her husband Jim take their growing suspicions to the police,
Starting point is 00:14:24 pleading for the case to be reopened. But the response is indifferent. The department refuses to budge and the original ruling stands. Meanwhile, the evidence is sealed away and out of reach. They know they can't wait for the system to act. If they want justice for Carrie and to make sure her daughters are safe, they'll need to build the case themselves. That's when a new ally joins Linda's team,
Starting point is 00:14:45 Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston. After listening to their story, Johnston sees what they see, too many red flags to ignore. He assembles his own team of investigators, including Matt Cothon, a respected former Texas Ranger. On July 30th,
Starting point is 00:15:01 almost four months after Cary's death, Linda and attorney Johnston file a wrongful death lawsuit against Matt, giving them the legal authority to gather records, conduct depositions, and re-examine everything piece by piece. Their next move is hiring a digital forensics expert
Starting point is 00:15:16 whose first priority is to go through Matt's computer. And what he finds, shocks Johnston's team of investigators. Matt, a respected pastor, had been watching adult content during work hours, literally inside the church. Adult sites are interspersed right next to Matt searches for internet sermons. On top of that, the expert uncovers that on March 9th, exactly one month before Carrie's death,
Starting point is 00:15:39 Matt searched, overdose on sleeping pills. But when they discover a message, handwritten by Carrie just five days before her death, it puts the final nail in the coffin. Hidden in the margins of her Bible, Carrie's voice speaks from beyond the grave, pointing the finger at her own husband. Lord, I have so much worry and I cannot get a hold on it. I'm asking you to protect me from harm. I'm not sure what is going on with Matt, but Lord, help me find peace with him.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Carrie had written down her suspicions about Matt only days before she was found dead. It seems her intuition was telling her that she was in danger, but, frustratingly, despite all the circumstantial evidence, there's still no clear-cut link tying Matt directly to Carrie's death that Linda can bring to prosecutors to have him convicted of murder. The evidence was too speculative. Couldn't get beyond a reasonable doubt with that.
Starting point is 00:16:29 It's not, was it a crime, and who committed it, but was it a crime at all? It's now October 2007. More than a year and a half has gone by since Carrie's death. In spite of growing suspicion, Matt continues to deny any wrongdoing and begins to take even more drastic measures, moving himself and Linda's grandkids 200 miles away to a different city. He takes a new job preaching at a local church, far from Carrie's family. From the outside, he has completely moved on. In fact, as Linda and her family keep fighting to gather evidence that proves that Carrie
Starting point is 00:17:00 was murdered by her husband, Matt now seems eager. to tell his side of the story. He went on kind of a press store. He tried to tell the world his side of story. In an unbelievably arrogant move, the case even goes national, as Matt sits down with ABC News for a televised interview. There's no way I could ever have hurt my wife. I loved her.
Starting point is 00:17:20 She's the mother of my children, and I miss her, and I did not hurt my wife. Carrie's parents are stunned when they see their former son-in-law on national television. To them, not only does he have the nerve to keep denying what happened, but he also doesn't hesitate to include his young daughters, Linda's granddaughters, in his publicity tour, using them and his pastor image to garner sympathy. You know, and they separate pants from shirts. I pick mine and then he picks hers. But I have to okay hers.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Yes. Why? Because she likes spaghetti straps. But I don't wear them to school. I'm not allowed. This is my favorite toy because it used to be my dad's when he was a little kid. To many viewers, Matt's media presence is persuasive. He appears to be a grieving husband, a pastor leaning on his faith in the face of unimaginable loss.
Starting point is 00:18:10 But for Carrie's family, every public interview feels like another setback. While they are fighting just to be heard, Matt is controlling the narrative, using another unspeakable family tragedy to garner sympathy, the death of their second daughter, Cassidy, at only 14 months old. In 1999, seven years before Carrie's passing, Cassidy, who was diagnosed with a brain tumor, lost her fight. Carrie was destroyed by this awful loss, but decided to honor her little girl by taking care of her surviving family, including Matt. She had to stay strong and went to see a grief counselor to navigate this devastating time. But according to him, this overwhelming loss is the exact reason why Carrie was so depressed.
Starting point is 00:18:51 After Cassidy passed away, she couldn't go to sleep, she could not go to sleep. I saw it more as she's hurting, she's missing her daughter. Cassidy consumed her. The loss of Cassidy consumed her thoughts. Public opinion, however, remains divided. Some believe his story convinced of his innocence, but Carrie's family never wavers. They are certain Matt is involved in Carrie's death, and their fears run deeper. Linda is concerned that her two young granddaughters might be living with a murderer. Matt was a dangerous man.
Starting point is 00:19:22 He had to be stopped before he hurt someone out. I'm angry. And all he's doing is making us more determined to uncle, covered the truth. We weren't going to stop. And we weren't going to sit back until somebody would listen to us. At this point in the investigation, Linda and her team need something solid, something or someone who can tie the whole case together, someone who knows the full story of what really happened to Carrie. And that someone is the very person Matt had given Carrie's old phone to just days after her death. A young woman named Vanessa Bulls. Newly single, 23-year-old
Starting point is 00:20:00 churchgoer Vanessa had recently started attending Crossroads Baptist, where Matt was the pastor. Just weeks after Carrie's death, Vanessa was seen attending Matt's daughter's 10th birthday party. Friends also reported seeing the two together often, looking unusually affectionate. And when Linda had looked at the family's phone records back in May 2006, the call logs were damning. Matt and Vanessa had been in close contact before and after Carrie's death, with Vanessa using Carrie's old phone. Matt and Vanessa had continually insisted that their relationship was only a friendship. Matt as a pastor counseling Vanessa through her divorce. But with so much contact and such a quick emotional connection, it raises serious questions.
Starting point is 00:20:41 What had really gone on between them before Carrie died? Could Vanessa hold the key to the entire case? And will she come forward to help bring Matt to justice? We didn't know if she might have even been involved. It's January of 2010, four years after Carrie's murder. and Vanessa is subpoenaed, she's legally forced to show up and testify at trial on what she knows about Matt Baker.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And because prosecutors believe she knows something critical, they offer her a deal, tell the truth, and you won't be charged with anything yourself. When they brought Vanessa Bowls in, that was kind of a last-ditch effort. So we're like, okay, let's see what happens. The courtroom is packed.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Linda and her family are sitting on the wooden bench, ready to fight for justice. When Vanessa enters the courtroom, all eyes are on her as she takes the stand in front of Carrie's whole family and Matt himself. When she starts to speak, the courtroom is silent. Everyone hangs on to every word as she describes exactly what happened and Matt Baker's true face is finally revealed. He was a complete and still is a manipulative liar who took me my vulnerable state and made me believe everything he said. Matt, who was at first, counseling Vanessa about her recent divorce, quickly changed his behavior from attentive, caring pastor, to a predator.
Starting point is 00:22:04 He started asking me things about my divorce and started telling me, whoever finds you is going to be a lucky man. In front of the entire courtroom, Vanessa finally reveals what Matt had always denied. In March of 2006, just one month before Carrie's death, she and Matt were having an affair. He came by and was kind of smiling. He said, oh, don't date other guys. eyes, just date your pastor and kind of smiled. Did he say anything else after that?
Starting point is 00:22:28 He said, will you really date your pastor? And he asked if he could hold my hands to pray. And he did. Then afterwards, he started to kiss me. Then he just took my hand and let me to the bedroom. I was extremely remorseful. I couldn't believe what just happened. He started saying, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Don't feel bad. Just ask God to forgive you. And he said, in reality, he said, I don't think God believes that anyone can just be with one person the rest of their lives. Then Vanessa drops another bombshell. She says she knows what really happened to Carrie Baker. Under oath, she testifies that Matt had been openly planning her death. He said that, you know, she took sleeping pills every night, so maybe he could make it
Starting point is 00:23:13 look like she overdosed on sleeping pills. He mentioned that he would leave a note. He said that he would type it. And I said, that's never going to work, you're going to be caught. And he said, oh no. she types everything. He said that no one would question it because of how depressed she was.
Starting point is 00:23:31 She just asked Matt, why are you trying to kill her? Why don't you get a divorce? And he told her that he would never be able to preach again. I guess in his mind, divorce was worse than actually committing murder. At what point did he start talking about planning her murder? It was shortly after that. It was sometime mid-March.
Starting point is 00:23:52 I would say he started talking about things he could do. He said that, you know, she took sleeping pills every night, so maybe he could make it look like she overdosed on sleeping pills. And then he told me that he said, I'm going to tell you what happened that night one time. Then he said, I never want to talk about it again. He had gotten big horse pills. We said he emptied out all the contents and put crushed Ambien in them.
Starting point is 00:24:21 He said he handcuffed her to the bed. Started, kissing her and touching her all over until she fell asleep. Then he said he got a pillow and put it over her face. What did he say happened next? He said that he thought she was dead and he just said she just took one big ass for air and he said, and then put the pillow back on her face except he did this with his hand to be sure that he suffocated her. He said that he set everything up, lock the door and left.
Starting point is 00:24:50 So you knew that Friday, April. 7th of 2006 was the day that he was going to try it again. I knew he was going to try it then, yes. In truth, who would believe me? He was a preacher. And so I felt like I was stuck. What I saw from Vanessa's testimony was a man who was much more evil than even I believed he was. The courtroom is stunned.
Starting point is 00:25:18 The truth is finally coming out, and it's devastating. Carrie was betrayed by the man she trusted and loved. the most. But despite the heartbreak, Vanessa's testimony aligns with the evidence that Linda and her family have spent years tirelessly collecting, and Vanessa isn't the only one to break the silence and expose the man Matt truly is. Dozens of other women stepped forward to, women from Matt's past, who, one by one, bravely share their stories of Matt's behavior over the years. We'd gone back into the youth wreck room. He tried to kiss me. I told him no. He said that he knew that I wanted it.
Starting point is 00:25:52 He seemed very relentless and wanting to have an incident of a sexual nature occur. I don't want to do this. I remember having to use all my strength to try to keep him off of me and from taking my clothes off. I turned around at one point and he was standing behind me, and he begins trying to kiss me. In total, 12 different women come forward.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Their testimonies, back to back, corroborate Vanessa's version of Matt Baker. The pastor has always been a dangerous predator who thought he was untouched and would walk away unscathed, never being held accountable. But today, he is forced to face the consequences of his actions. At the sentencing, Linda can finally confront the man who took her daughter almost four years ago during her impact statement.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Matt was her son-in-law. She used to see him through Carrie's loving eyes, and now he can't even look at hers. I'm talking to you, Matt, today, okay? You haven't looked at me in almost four years. Can you look at me today? This is Euphoria Calvin Klein. The new elixir collection, featuring three perfum intense scents, inspired by a unique orchid accord, paired with vanilla, each with its own distinct attitude, each with its own universe, bold elixir, sensual, woody, addictive,
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Starting point is 00:27:42 Grace is 12. She loves the arts, and she's in band, and she plays the piano. I know. Kinsey will be 17 next week. She is very excited about the prospect of college. She's a hoot to be around. All we want now is for the girls to be teenagers. And we never want them to feel like they have to choose who to love.
Starting point is 00:28:14 I live with three women. And the other night, they were all laughing and giggling and just having a grand old time. That was a symphony. I see Carrie. I see her every day in her daughters. She would be relishing what we're experiencing. She was an amazing mother. She would fight for any of us and I just wanted everybody to know the truth. Carrie's legacy is living through her daughters, and Linda can still see Carrie in them, her light shining through, and despite being gone, she will never be forgotten. On January 21st, 2010, Matt Baker is sentenced to 65 years in prison.
Starting point is 00:29:07 He won't be able to hurt any other women or destroy Carrie's reputation. Without her family's persistence, Matt would have more than likely gotten away with the murder, but Carrie, through her loved ones, got justice after all. In the end, it was their perseverance and the real strength of a family that brought the truth forward.

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