Unseen - Unmasking the Texas Suitcase Serial Killer | The Case of Christine & Michael Morton | UNSEEN

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

“Where was Daddy, Eric?” - On August 13th, 1986, in the quiet suburbs of Austin, Texas, 3-year-old Eric Morton is found wandering outside alone. When a neighbor recognizes the boy and brings him b...ack home, he makes a terrifying discovery: Eric’s mother, Christine, has been murdered. Detectives, and the District Attorney quickly hone in on Michael Morton, Eric’s father and Christine’s husband, as their prime suspect, but several key pieces of evidence are missing and the police aren’t revealing the full story. It will take 25 years, and determined lawyer John Raley, to unlock the hidden memories of a scared little boy, free a wrongfully convicted man, and finally catch Christine’s real killer.  - Written, directed & edited by Justin Chalifoux Researched by Tiffany Loxton Voiceover by William Akana Produced by Alexandra Salois & Salim Sader - Getty Images Detective Diaries: Guilty Until Proven Innocent, Breaklight Pictures & The Content Group, 2021 60 Minutes: Evidence of Innocence: The Case of Michael Morton, CBS News, 2012 An Unreal Dream: The Michael Morton Story, Glass House Productions, 2013 Michael Morton Interview, Austin American-Statesman, 2014 Morton to be released, KXAN News, 2011 Anderson gets 10 days in jail, community service, KXAN News, 2013 Mark Norwood found guilty of 2nd murder, sentenced to life, KXAN News, 2016 Ex-prosecutor Ken Anderson Jailed 3 Days for Misconduct in Sending Innocent Man to 25 Yrs in Prison, Fox7, 2013 Michael Morton Freed in Texas, innocenceproject, 2011 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This three-year-old boy is found walking alone in the street with a soiled diaper. His parents are known to be good people and would never let him out of their sight. Cops quickly discovered that his mom was brutally murdered. They think the husband did it after he left a note with a motive. He's sentenced to life in prison. The problem is, the husband is innocent, and worse yet, the cops know about it and have been hiding it for 25 years. But no one could have imagined that the truth would finally come from the only person who saw the real killer. the three-year-old boy who lost both his parents,
Starting point is 00:00:32 he will come back to take down his mother's killer and to save his own father. I wouldn't do this. I'm sorry, what? I did not do this. North Austin, Texas, August 13th, 1986. Early that morning, a man finds a three-year-old boy wandering alone outside the Morton residence
Starting point is 00:00:52 at 9-11-4 Hazelhurst Drive. When the man walks the boy back inside, he calls out for his mother, Christine, but gets no answer. After searching through the house, the neighbor heads to the master bedroom and stumbles upon a horrific scene. When Sheriff Jim Boutwell from Williamson County is called to the location, he finds Christine's body hidden under a blanket, covered with a blue suitcase and a wicker basket. Upon removing the items, he sees Christine is no longer recognizable. She has been killed with a large, blunt object. After searching the rest of the house, he can see
Starting point is 00:01:26 no signs of forced entry, no sign that anything has been stolen. It's determined that Christine was not sexually assaulted, which has investigators puzzled, until they find a note left on the dresser. It's written by Christine's husband, Michael. Later that day, Michael leaves work to go pick up his son at the daycare, but finds little Eric was never brought in. He calls home to ask his wife what happened. To his surprise, it's Sheriff Boutwell who answers the phone. He says nothing to Michael about what happened, and asks him to him. to come home at once. When Sheriff Boutwell told me that Chris was dead, I asked if it was murder.
Starting point is 00:02:02 He said, yes. I asked to see her. I wanted, not proof, but, you know, I needed to see her. The sheriff refused. All the questions were adversarial, accusatory. It became clear to me that the sheriff showed up, looked around, and, okay, husband did this. September 25th, not long after Christine's funeral, Michael is at home with his son when the doorbell rings.
Starting point is 00:02:29 He takes Eric in his arms and goes to answer. When he opens the door, it's Sheriff Jim Boutwell with several deputies. They're here to arrest Michael. I don't remember the exact words, but I said something along the lines of, you've got to be kidding. What? I turned off some stuff in the kitchen. I grabbed Eric, and I told him that I wanted to call a friend to come get him. And he said that wouldn't be necessary.
Starting point is 00:02:53 One of the deputies grabs three-year-old Eric and pulls him out of his father's arms, while Sheriff Boutwell handcuffs Michael. All the while, Eric is screaming for his father with his arms outstretched as he's being taken away. February 9, 1987, less than six months after the murder, Michael Morton's trial begins. Instant people think that if you just tell the truth, you've got nothing to fear from the police. I never seriously thought that they would convict me. The prosecutor is District Attorney Ken Anderson, who is known for being aggressive, sarcastic, and smart.
Starting point is 00:03:32 For him, Christine's murder trial is his biggest case yet. If he wins, it will propel his career, and he's ready to do anything to put Michael in prison, even breaking the rules. He begins his attack on Michael by focusing on the note found at the scene. It spoke of an argument the couple had the night. before, about sex. Prosecutors say he beat his wife to death after she refused to have sex with him on his birthday.
Starting point is 00:03:57 District Attorney Ken Anderson today focused his line of questioning on Morton's infrequent sexual relationship with his wife. The story Anderson sells to the jury is that Michael wasn't happy with Christine, and he wanted out of the marriage. And when she refused to have sex with him on his birthday, he killed Christine in a fit of rage. A Williamson County man took the witness stand today in his house. his own murder trial, Morton broke down in tears today as District Attorney Ken Anderson
Starting point is 00:04:25 showed him photos of his wife's body. When Michael takes the stand, the jury hears his side of the story, how Christine was alive when he left for work, where he clocked in at around 6 a.m. According to his testimony, Christine must have been killed after he left. He tells the court he wasn't angry when he left the note that it was meant as a playful banter with his wife. But the jury no longer believes him, after Prosecutor Andrews, Anderson brings his last witness to the stand. In other trial news, damaging testimony yesterday in the white-beating murder trial of Michael Morton.
Starting point is 00:04:57 The jury relied on the testimony of Covis County Medical Examiner Dr. Roberto Villardo. Dr. Roberto Bayardo testifies under oath that after examining Christine's stomach contents, he estimates the time of death to be at around 1 a.m. 4 hours before Michael says he saw Christine alive when he left for work. The defense is devastated. With scientific proof against him, Michael's alibi falls apart, and the jury is now sure to see him as guilty. But what no one knows is that in reality, Dr. Briardo was unable to determine the time of death accurately, but Ken Anderson still used him as an expert witness to give his damning testimony. February 17th, the trial comes to an end. During the closing arguments, Prosecutor Ken Anderson puts the final
Starting point is 00:05:44 nail in the coffin. He fabricates a claim that Michael sexually assaulted Christine after the fact, while having no proof her real killer did anything of the sort. But it no longer matters, no one will contradict him now. As he describes the scene to the jury, Anderson has tears coming from his eyes. The performance is effective. It doesn't take long for the jury to deliberate. Late this afternoon, a jury found Morton guilty of murdering his wife last summer and then sentenced him to life in prison. After the sentencing, Anderson tells the media a life sentence is too good for Michael Morton and that he should have been given the death penalty.
Starting point is 00:06:21 It got sickening after a while to watch him cry at the wrong times and he seemed only to cry for himself. Just totally without any remorse whatsoever for killing his wife. When they announced the time, the aggravated life, I was stunned. it literally knocked the wind out of me. My knees buckled, my butt hit the chair. Had that chair not been there, I'd hit the floor. As he's escorted out of the courtroom in handcuffs, Michael continues to claim his innocence,
Starting point is 00:06:57 but no one believes him. I don't do this. I'm sorry, what? I did not do this. Ken Anderson has just put an innocent man in jail for life. All the while, the real killer is still out there, free to kill again. As for Michael, he languishes in his cell, year after year.
Starting point is 00:07:17 He files for appeals, but is rejected every time. His only solace comes from the visits of his son, Eric, whom he's allowed to see once every six months. There was court-ordered visitation. Eric would have to be brought to me by my sister-in-law. Visitation is like oxygen. I would love seeing him, but I could also see that he was becoming more distant.
Starting point is 00:07:42 He was becoming something of a stranger. The first time I heard him call my sister-in-law, mom, it startled me as he got a little bit older when he started getting into puberty and becoming a teenager. Some of the visits were feeling a little forced. One day, I got a letter from him that he said he was. he would like to suspend the visits, not do him anymore. Because the visits are under court order, Eric needs his dad's permission to stop coming to see him
Starting point is 00:08:17 in prison. Michael is heartbroken. All he wants is to see his son one more time. I wrote him back and I said, well, I'll grant your wish, but you got to come here and look me in the eye and tell me that. We had our greetings and I asked him if this was our last visit and he he wouldn't look at me in the eye but he looked at the floor and told me that yeah this last one and I just looked at my sister law and said something like take care of my son and I walked out district attorney Ken Anderson has convinced Christine's family that Michael is guilty so Eric who is being raised by Christine's sister has been brought up to believe his father killed his mom Michael knows the only way he can
Starting point is 00:09:07 ever get him back is to find a way to prove his innocence in court, or he may never see him again. It's 2004. Michael has been in jail for the last 17 years when he finally gets in contact with the Innocence Project, a non-profit legal organization that works to overturn wrongful convictions through DNA testing. In 2004, the New York Innocence Project called me and asked me to take the case. It took me a minute to grasp it because I thought, are you calling the right number? I'd never had any kind of a criminal case before, but they said that they wanted me. John Rayleigh, a civil attorney who became known to the project because of a medical malpractice case, agrees to take on what would be his first ever murder case.
Starting point is 00:09:54 When he's given the court documents from Michael's trial, he immediately finds red flags. One of the first things that struck me was the note he left for Christine. And I thought, wait a minute. If I was going to murder my wife, the last thing I would do is leave a note calling attention to an argument with my wife. As he reads through the file, Rayleigh is stunned to find no real evidence of guilt. No witness, no eyewitness of any violence. He had no record. Mr. Morton passed two lie detector tests at the time of his prosecution. He also finds key issues with the statements made by the medical examiner. According to the records, Roberto Bayardo didn't get access to Christine's body until a few days after her murder,
Starting point is 00:10:40 which would make any assessment of the exact time of death impossible. He used an analysis of stomach contents solely as his means of timing death, which all of the medical literature says you can't do. It should never have come into evidence at all, and if that was the basis for the jury's finding, then there's nothing. So there's nothing really to convict the man at trial. That doesn't mean he's innocent. really is determined to find out the truth about Christine Morton's murder. His first step is to go meet Michael in person.
Starting point is 00:11:10 When he arrives at the Mark W. Michael unit in East Texas, he's taken to the family room where Michael is waiting for him. I ask him what happened on August 12th and 13th, 1986. Take me through those two days in as much detail as you can. August 12th, 1986, I turned 32. It was one of the best days of my life. We had three dark years where we had a sick child. Everything seemed to be heading up.
Starting point is 00:11:44 So we all went to the city grill. I remember one of the feeling really, really good as we were leaving. And Eric was walking between us. We just had a hand and knew how you'll sometimes pick them up. And it was just, it just felt really good. This is what it's about. This is, things are great here. We got home.
Starting point is 00:12:04 I finally got Eric to bed. If you're married and it's your birthday, she fell asleep. Oh, baby. I left a little note. No, no big deal this happened. And five o'clock next morning, the alarm went off. Showered, shaved, dressed.
Starting point is 00:12:31 This last time I saw her life. I didn't really have the opportunity to grieve for her. Everything changed so rapidly away from her to me. Chris had this amazing laugh. She would throw her head back and laugh. And you couldn't help but laugh with her. It was just so genuine. She was smart.
Starting point is 00:12:56 She wasn't just sociable. She had a head on her shoulders. Everybody liked her. I was lucky that she Well, not with me. Don't claim to have psychic powers, but I cross-examine people for a living, and I can usually tell if people are fibbing. There was nothing about this man that did not speak from a place of integrity and honesty.
Starting point is 00:13:22 They took his son out of his arms and handcuffed Michael. And Michael looks back and sees Eric reaching out and screaming, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. And this little boy that had just lost his mother, now was losing his father. It affected me as a father because I thought about my children. I left amazingly moved by that, and I came home to my wife, Kelly, who I asked for advice on a lot of things. And I said, Kelly, my God, he's innocent. We have to get him out.
Starting point is 00:13:58 And she looked at me in the eye and she said, then do it. John Raleigh doesn't waste any time and puts a team together. When they get their hands on the list of evidence still on the file, they learn about a blue bandana with blood on it, which never made it into the actual trial. According to the 1986 investigation of the murder, one of the deputies saw a dirty bandana near a construction site, about 100 yards from the house. There was no DNA testing available back then, so it was put in a bag and it was stored and it was ignored.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Naturally, we wanted to try to do DNA testing on the bandana. To prove Michael's innocence, Rayleigh is hoping the bandana will contain Christine's DNA, as well as her killers. In order to do the analysis, his team needs to get their hands on the actual evidence. But when they show up at the Sheriff's Department, they are denied access. Now, why would they do that unless the bandana could be a problem for them? John files a motion, which would force them to turn the evidence over. But by 2005, they still haven't heard back from the District Attorney's Office.
Starting point is 00:15:06 So John decides to give him a call. John Bradley was the District Attorney of Williamson County at the time we filed the motion for DNA testing. So I called up Mr. Bradley and I introduced myself. Well, I'll say, look, all we want to know is the truth. And nothing bad can come from seeking truth. Either Michael is where he's supposed to be, which is a good thing, or he's innocent, which means there may be a brutal murderer at large killing other people. Don't you want to find out?
Starting point is 00:15:36 And he said doing the test would muddy the waters. He said doing the test would muddy the waters. And I had no idea what he meant by that. It just so happens, John Bradley's mentor is none other than Ken Anderson, the prosecutor in Michael's case. Anderson has since been appointed district judge and has made some powerful friends in Williamson County. But now, he's become one of the most influential figures himself.
Starting point is 00:16:04 If the DNA testing proves Michael is innocent, it would look terrible for Anderson. But more importantly, there's something in the prosecutor files that Anderson doesn't want anyone to see. John Bradley understands this, and he rejects Rayleigh's request. I was completely unprepared for the height and the depth of the power of the district attorney's office of Williamson County. There was a strong political machine against us. Michael's life hangs in the balance, but Ken Anderson didn't just take away. his freedom. He also took away his son. When my son turned 18, I got a letter that he was going to legally change his name and that he was going to be adopted by my sister-in-law and her husband,
Starting point is 00:16:55 that I was going to officially and legally lose him. With all the bad things that had happened, my wife's murder, my arrest and conviction, my life sentence, all the deaths in my family, the failed appeals, the DNA snafos, all of that didn't do me in. I thought I was pretty tough and I could take it when I lost him. March 7, 2008, over three years after he filed his motion, John Rayleigh has his first hearing in the case. He tells the judge about the bandana with blood on it that it was never subjected to DNA testing. He also says the state has been blocking their efforts since day one. He hopes the judge will force them to hand over the evidence, but he has no idea that district attorney John Bradley has already arranged for the judge to reject his request,
Starting point is 00:18:03 and his battle was lost before it began. In fact, John Bradley isn't even at the hearing. Rayleigh is furious. Right away he gets in his car and heads off to go see Bradley at his office. which is in Georgetown, nearly 200 miles away. I was seriously concerned that day that he might actually have a stroke or something. It was that bad. I mean, his blood pressure was so elevated and he was so angry, where it was like, he's going to kill my husband. When he arrives in Bradley's office, Rayleigh's blood is still boiling,
Starting point is 00:18:39 and he does something completely out of character. Maybe it's because I had driven all the way from Houston. to Georgetown, and maybe it's because I was tired, and maybe because it's frustrating. But I said loud enough that everybody in his office could hear, what are you afraid of? Let me turn it on you, Mr. Bradley, because what would you do if the test results exonerated him
Starting point is 00:19:04 and identified someone else as the murder of his wife? Because I can handle the truth. Can you, sir? And then I left. I've never told anybody this, and I don't know that I should now. There was a time in the middle of this that we were struggling financially, and there was a real temptation to focus on work that would make money for the family and not spend so much time on this pro bono case where nothing good is happening.
Starting point is 00:19:39 That was a temptation. A few days later, on a Saturday morning, John really gets a call he never. expected. It's Michael. And he has news. And he said, well, I'm up for parole again. And I said, that's great. He said, there's just one catch. He says, I have to confess that I'm guilty of murder. Michael has been in jail for 21 years. He has no idea where his son is. John Rayleigh wouldn't be surprised if, after all this time, he decides to take the deal. But admitting his guilt would mean Michael would lose his son forever. I said, what are you going to say, Michael?
Starting point is 00:20:19 And he said, all I have left is my actual innocence. And if I have to be in prison the rest of my life, I'm not giving that up. When I heard him say that, I felt this rush of emotion come over me. And I said, Michael, I promise you I will never quit. As long as I'm breathing air, I'm trying to get you out of prison. The year is 2010. John really has been fighting to free Michael Morton for six years when they go in front of the third court of appeals. I said this bloody bandana was the be-all and end-all about the case, and there was no legal basis to deny testing of the bloody bandetta, none whatsoever. They ask the question that everybody seems to ask. What if the DNA testing comes out against your client?
Starting point is 00:21:23 And I said, there's only one way to find out. While the court is deliberating, John Bradley takes to the media in an attempt to sabotage their efforts. Michael Morton was convicted of killing his wife and sentenced to life in prison. His attorneys say the case now boils down to testing a bloody bandana found behind the home where Christine Morton was beaten to death. If that critical piece of evidence contains blood from the crime scene, it could show someone else did it. But Williamson County DA John Bradley says that's a pipe dream. If I got a promise from Michael Morton that he would accept criminal responsibility for killing his wife, should the bandana exclude any other mystery killer, you know what? I would consider doing that.
Starting point is 00:22:09 And I said, Judge, we're paying for this. All we want to know is the truth. The state has fought us every step of the way. We have fought too hard, and we've come too far. to get to this moment and have it taken away. Finally, after fighting for six years, the Corps of Appeals rule that we could do DNA testing on the bloody bandana. It will take months before they get the results back from the test. During that time, John Raley's office sends a Freedom of Information Act request to gain
Starting point is 00:22:45 access to Ken Anderson's files on the trial. They want to know what else could John Bradley and Ken Anderson want to hide. But the truth is far more disturbing than rarely ever expected. When I was able to finally get my hands on the file, I saw that the evidence of Michael's innocence was in the district attorney's file and had been concealed. The investigation done in 1986 showed Michael should never have been the prime suspect. There was a footprint in the mud behind the home that no one had ever done a plaster cast of. There were strange fingerprints on the sliding glass door, but no one had ever ever done. run those prints. There was a sighting of a strange man in a large van in the days before
Starting point is 00:23:27 the murder in the same area where the blue bandana was found, and the man was seen walking into the woods behind Christine and Michael's house. Another piece of evidence that was concealed, and this is crucial and absolutely heartbreaking. Eric talked to his maternal grandmother, Christine's mother, on the day of Christine's funeral. Rita, Christine's mother, wrote verbatim what Eric told her. This was their conversation. Mommy's crying. She stopped it.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Go away. Why is she crying? Because the monster's here. What's he doing? He hit Mommy. Is Mommy still crying? No. Mommy stopped.
Starting point is 00:24:07 The monster threw a blue suitcase on the bed. He's mad. Did the monster hurt Mommy? Yes. Mommy go to the hospital. Was he big? Yeah. Where did he leave?
Starting point is 00:24:18 The door. Which door, Eric? Front door. Then, Eric's grandmother asked him the most crucial question. Where was Daddy Eric? Was Daddy there? No, Mommy and Eric was there. This information was concealed for 25 years.
Starting point is 00:24:38 It was withheld from the defense, from the court, and from the jury. Ken Anderson knew that Michael was innocent, but he still sent him to prison for life, and let the monster who killed his wife go free to kill again. Christine's mother, Rita, was later told by detectives that the man, 3-year-old Eric called the monster was probably his dad. He just didn't recognize him. As for Eric, he was so young when he witnessed his mother's murder that he no longer remembered. June 2011, Michael has been in jail for 25 years. It's been months since the evidence has been sent in for DNA testing, and still, no news. There's a chance that Bandana is a dead end, and they don't
Starting point is 00:25:19 find what they're looking for. Still, Michael hopes. Until one day, he's called to the family room where John Rayleigh is waiting for him with a smile on his face. The DNA testing showed that the bandana with blood on it did contain Christine's DNA, along with the DNA of a man that was not Michael. Then, the team ran the DNA results through the database to see if it matched one of the millions of profiles already in the system. And they got a direct hit on a man with a known record of felonies in three states, including breaking and entering residences and assault with intent to murder.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And his name is Mark Allen Norwood. Norwood had escaped detection for the last 25 years, and Rayleigh was convinced Christine was not his only victim. While searching through cold cases in Travis County, his team stumbled upon a victim whose murder looked a lot like Christine Morton's. The woman's name was Deborah Jan Baker, and she was killed a couple years after Christine, exactly the same way. They both had been killed by a large, blunt tool. Both had household objects piled over
Starting point is 00:26:28 their bodies. Neither had been sexually assaulted. Once worse, both women lived within 10 miles of each other, and yet, investigators had never connected the two crimes. After looking up Norwood's address at the time of both murders, Rayleigh found out that his house was only one street corner away from Deborah's house. To confirm their theory, Rayleigh's team got access to the evidence in the Baker case, and after running DNA test, on a few hairs found at the crime scene, they were able to definitively identify Deborah Baker's killer as Mark Allen Norwood. I remember saying, oh wow, this is it.
Starting point is 00:27:04 An innocent man in prison, a murderer out there. Mark, Dave Fuggett. Hey. I'm the lead investigator on the Deborah Baker case. You know, Mark is spent 23 years ago that was killed. If the advances in technology, you know, it's inevitable. You know as well as I do that we were going to come to this crossroad. You want to place me under arrest?
Starting point is 00:27:31 You at six, Mark Allen Norwood, a violent criminal with a record going back three decades, arrested today in a murder that sent the wrong man to prison for 25 years. And we've just confirmed he's also a suspect in a second murder. When the truth finally comes out that Michael Morton had been wrongfully convicted, District Judge Ken Anderson takes to the media in an attempt to salvage the situation. I want to formally apologize for the system's failure to Mr. Morton and to every other person who was adversely affected by this verdict. What he doesn't know is that Deborah Baker's daughter, Caitlin, is in the crowd.
Starting point is 00:28:09 In my heart, I know there was no misconduct whatsoever. I believe that the prosecutors fully complied with all the orders of the court. He's not holding himself accountable. He's making a lot of excuses. Do you feel he's responsible for your mother's murder? In part. In part, absolutely. Also.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Well, he let Norwood go. He didn't get him when he should have. And my mother could be alive right now if he had. Ken Anderson not only put an innocent man in jail for 25 years, but he also allowed the real killer to take Deborah Baker's life. After Mark Allen Norwood is arrested, and evidence of Michael's innocence has come to light, Anderson becomes a subject of a special criminal inquiry for deliberately hiding evidence from the court. And after a long battle led by Michael's attorneys, John Rayleigh and the Innocence Project,
Starting point is 00:29:02 Ken Anderson is disbarred, disrobed, and for the crime of misconduct resulting in wrongful conviction will become the first prosecutor to ever be sent to jail. As for Norwood, he's convicted of the murders of Christine and Deborah and received, received two life sentences. While officials believe Norwood was most likely a serial killer, his reign of terror has finally come to an end. It was somewhat chaotic. There was a procession, cameras everywhere, people,
Starting point is 00:29:35 I didn't know which way we were going. Fortunately, the sun was beaming down right there. It was this beautiful kind of fall day. The sun felt so good on my face that I kind of tilted my head back, like of a getting a sun tan or something trying to just, Drink it in. After Michael's release, John Raleigh arranged a special dinner for him at his house, a dinner to which he also invited Michael's son, Eric.
Starting point is 00:30:03 I noticed that our shoes were disturbingly similar. We both had on new blue jeans. The way we held our heads, our gates as we walked were eerily similar. The jeans are there. We shook hands immediately, but that morphed into a hug. It was like this melding we just came back, just as natural as that. I couldn't have planted any better. And Michael said, son.
Starting point is 00:30:38 And Eric said, Dad. And I think just for a second, I got a glimpse of what heaven must be like. John Rayleigh, very few people can look to somebody and say, excuse me. that you owe your life to him. I can say that about John. I can point to him and say, there's the guy, that's the guy who got me in. And he didn't know me from the man in the moon.
Starting point is 00:31:14 When somebody does something like that for you, you're never the same. He's my friend, and he's my brother. Now, everything is different for me. The conundrums of life, the philosophical paradoxes, the metaphysical problems, I feel like I get it now. like I get it now. I understand suffering and unfairness. I can't think of anything better
Starting point is 00:31:56 to receive than that. I'm good with this. Is this world, is what's happened to me where I'm going, what I'm doing? No matter what sort of travail you go through, that experience is what makes you who you are. I wouldn't be where I am now if I hadn't been broken. Life is good now.

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