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Starting point is 00:00:47 And man, throwing booze at the wall. Like I came into the podcast this morning. I was like, I was trying to get here a little before you say new. All the guys had been here. I'm like, it's going to be a fucking dump.

Starting point is 00:01:01 And I'm looking at the wall and the, the stack of Bud Light, White Claw, all the liquor bottles are empty i'm like god man look at that bot and that was all done in like a few days i do i do enjoy like it really does feel like i mean this is the best way i promise it really does feel like i'm back in the college dorm in a good way in a good way in a nostalgic way yes yeah yeah here's the common room, each other's room upstairs. Exactly, exactly. The smell.

Starting point is 00:01:30 The smell's in here. The floor backs are trash. I took out. It's racially ambiguous and batty. That guy's fucking ridiculous and we don't know. Best not to ask yourself why.

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Starting point is 00:04:06 So we've had a science experiment growing here. Okay. Our dear friend, Micah Mayfield, ordered everything on the Whataburger menu because it's a treat and he doesn't get to have it often. This was last month when he was here, three weeks ago, whatever. And then he just left the cup sealed

Starting point is 00:04:23 because it was DoorDash, so they have a little seal on it, sealed in the corner. And we didn't notice it for a couple weeks because we aren't here often. And then I came in and we were getting ready to the house, ready for everybody to show up for this weekend. And I was like, oh no,

Starting point is 00:04:35 I don't want to touch them. Because like if it's styrofoam too, so like I don't know if it's going to just crunch. Oh, that's so nasty. So those, I cleaned those up today straight straight to the trash can. Yeah Trash out there. Yeah, I just like on the camera. I'm like, you're like you you are the cleanest cut Just scraggly motherfuckers looking like Everyone's like like their t-. And you're like, hi.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Okay. Hello, gentlemen. I've gathered you together. That's a good shirt. I like that shirt. I wear great shirts on the podcast all the time. I know, but his, I guarantee, look, like his is rolled up sleeves tucked in. Yours is a t-shirt with buttons.

Starting point is 00:05:22 Welcome to the Unsubscribed Podcast. This is my channel. Eli Doubles. I have myself, Mattie Streams. tucked in yours is a t-shirt welcome to the unsubscribe podcast in our highly requested guest wendigo and welcome to the podcast man thank you for coming out oh thank you all so much for having hi hi thank you all so much for having me that it means the world it's very kind when you said people request me i'm like me the weird one yeah a special little shout out to one of my moderators one of the guys that is always with me ray on my stream he has been geeking about you coming on the podcast since we first started talking and he was like oh he is your biggest fan right ray right yeah

Starting point is 00:06:00 thank you ray that's very cool thank you ray before off camera he said he hated you yeah of course yeah yeah yeah you had to pay him to say that who's like that's a big check yeah they had to get me here somehow so this is the last episode of unsubscribed on ray on ray so these guys care about you for some reason yeah go fuck yourself but but for real thank you all for having me i appreciate it it's great to be here this is like i walked in for a guy like i said who just you know points a camera at a corner and talks this is like scary professional it's very good stuff i dig it eli we did yeah yeah good job we do kudos to eli good there's four cameras here i've never seen more than two at a time running on my stuff so

Starting point is 00:06:52 this is like this is cool this is very cool what if we get a fifth let's go oh god i know just one what would the what would the pov be from behind it's a buffalo cam up on our guest butts it's highly requested i'm so glad i came before the fifth camera we have eight cam and a bottle we have no more guests we got the camera nobody wanted to hang out with us i think it was the first i think it was that camera we're just blaming all the other cameras we got to keep the buck in that bottle cam was like i don't know what all these creators are so stingy come on the show yeah it's just a bottle stop hoarding liquid ivy on the table too yeah i i assume that was a prop no

Starting point is 00:07:33 it's a new sponsor that's so great tiny i need i need that oh would i be sponsored dude okay so man i will actually say it's uh going through your stuff and then immediately i'm gonna get along with this guy on a different level for the simple fact you do this i get watch me and him have never talked met or, or anything. You were big on the NoSleep Reddit back in the day or leading up to it. You like the paranormal stuff on Reddit. You probably fall asleep to, like, videos. I don't know if you also listen to, like, long-form podcasts or, like, Top 10 Mystery or Ghost. Absolutely. You fall asleep to it.

Starting point is 00:08:18 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah, absolutely. I do. Like, I was just, like, strong. He's weird, too. Yeah, yeah, of course yeah absolutely like i was just like he's weird too yeah yeah yes that's why i'm here going through i was like oh man this guy i could okay i know who he is yeah yeah like

Starting point is 00:08:37 the before i started youtube you know i was into all of those like like you said no sleep a lot of the reddits a ton of creepypastas. When I was in middle school, high school, Mr. Creepypasta is really one of the reasons I'm where I am right now. Quite literally, too, on this podcast because I became a creator. But yeah, horror stories, long-form contents. I remember listening to all those, like you said, to fall asleep to, like scary stories of the Appalachian Mountains, scary stories of the woods to fall asleep to all the time absolutely my friends when we were in high

Starting point is 00:09:10 school i always knew all these like weird ghost stories because you know i'm strange i eventually made it into a career if you don't have a youtube career i'm just a weird guy like the guy who just knows all these obscure things about youtube i had to make it into a job for my own social credit okay you spent too much time doing this yes exactly it had to be something or it was over for me absolutely um but like all my friends in high school would be like hey like at sleepovers like hey tell us a scary story give us a weird story whatever and i just like say something i heard on a no sleep and they'd be like you're messed up you're crazy bro why do you know this crazy you're so weird but like really if it wasn't for being weird then i there's no way i'd be where i am right now i mean i've been strange a while yes i appreciate that because i fall asleep to that stuff even Even Sav, she's like, I always have to put headphones on because she's a light.

Starting point is 00:10:09 She gets nightmares easy. And then it's like me falling asleep. And then the serial killer entered the house and tortured eight people of the family. She's like, why are you sleeping? And I'm like, shit, this is easily tuckered out. I was just on autopilot. She's hating life. She's like, oh, God. i remember one night because you know it's just like the content i watch right like i fell asleep to it on the couch and i woke up like four in the morning in like a haze and i look over at the tv and it's just like i don't know if it was the devil or a ghost or something but some horned creature that was just staring at the tv right it was some analog whore that i'd stumbled across and i remember i woke up and saw it it was like

Starting point is 00:11:02 okay just like this is normal. I'm going back to bed. Yeah, I'm right there with you. I know the feeling. If our podcast becomes haunted because you were here, I swear. You're welcome. It's too late.

Starting point is 00:11:16 I already did it. Ghost, you can haunt the show. I don't care. Just don't fuck with the electronics. Just leave those alone. Do not move the camera. Because as we all know, ghosts definitely don't fuck with the electronics. Just leave those alone. Do not move the cameras. Because as we all know, ghosts definitely don't mess with the electronics. Poltergeist the shit out of this place.

Starting point is 00:11:31 Just this room off limits, bro. Poltergeist the shit out of this place. What a great line. Incredible. That's a shirt for you. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And trademark. Thanks. Appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:11:52 That's good. That's good that's good thank you no we do uh watching like going through your old shit it was funny because it was like oh yeah this is when he was figuring out youtube it's like here's a dark story here's me speed running a video game here's me playing a video game here's a random video and then finally he was like got it here's the okay here's me playing a video game yep here's a random and then finally he was like got it here's the okay here's the formula there there was a lot you know those charts that show like you know what am i trying to figure out like tendency charts like the higher you go in something the more aligned everything is it's like just shotgun patterns of trying to figure out what i'm doing and there it it is. Yep. We got it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:25 Yeah. We figured it out. Oh, cool. Because you haven't been doing it that long, which is dope. I was like, Oh,

Starting point is 00:12:30 like two and a half years. Two and a half years. That's wild. Yeah. Actually wild. Yeah. Halloween of 2020 is when I, uh,

Starting point is 00:12:37 like I had a YouTube channel that upload a couple of videos to be like shooting a rifle. Right. I had like what? 50 subs of whatever. Uh, and then halloween of 2020 i was like i want to make an effort so the first video i did was a video about uh local 58 analog horror series and then from there it just like yeah you were his first video

Starting point is 00:12:58 so he's like gun tubers yes oh my word okay so fun story about that uh i guess so i'm down in san antonio right now meet you guys and everything and i i went out to a range shoot with like brandon herrera yeah i don't know yeah yeah at the brcc range and uh i meet brandon for the first time i had totally forgot i made that video but for those that don't know uh when i started youtube i had like again like 70 subs i made a gun tuber tier list video because that's that's what i watched gun tuber that that is actually right now the first video on the channel you're right yes yeah yeah so it's just like me talking about gun tubers right just some kid in his you know parents bedroom whatever um so i'm like oh yeah like this gun tuber because they're cool and this one's neat

Starting point is 00:13:46 or whatever and uh i put brandon at b tier which is funny i have completely forgot about that until yesterday when i get here and i walk into the shop i don't know if he wants to tell the story that's funny go i walk up yeah yeah love you brandon i'm gonna be here from now on if they start going in that don't you do not have my consent um stop no but

Starting point is 00:14:21 I go into his shop and I like bend over to pick up something and he like he stands next to me he's like this was an elaborate ruse to kill you for making me be tear and he pulls the guy i had told him i was like what do you mean oh the video like i completely forgot about it he remembered he remembered which like it's supposed to find in story so yes so that that actually came back to haunt me yesterday so yeah yeah it's relevant and now it gets to live here and now it gets to live here on the internet forever i don't know why i said that i shouldn't have perfect we love beat here he's one of our favorites i love i love brandon to death great friend I don't know why I said that. I shouldn't have. Perfect. Cheers, Brandon. We love B-tier.

Starting point is 00:15:06 He's one of our favorites. I love Brandon to death. Great friend. Tomps. What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool. Whatever groceries your summer calls for, Instacart has you covered. I have to delete that video right now it's gonna be so oh no okay yeah so anyway yeah i was doing stuff like that just

Starting point is 00:15:58 trying to figure it out just trying to figure out how how to yeah like the door really like i know a lot of people talk about they got into content creation because they're like oh there's money and it'll be a good job which are all valid reasons but i you won't make it i always say you're not going to survive if that's your mindset yeah yeah i agree with that i agree unless you like get really lucky somehow you're right you're that is not the mindset to enter with uh but i was in college at the time and i kind of was like i don't know if I really like this job. And I kind of decided, well, I have these creative interests in telling stories and talking about stories.

Starting point is 00:16:33 So why not have an outlet for that? Maybe my job doesn't have to be something that I'm super passionate about. Because a lot of people make money to make a living, right? Nothing wrong with that, of course. Got to pay your bills. Exactly. So I'm like, OK, if I'm doing that, then I want an outlet. I want something that I can be creative in.

Starting point is 00:16:51 So I started YouTube just for myself, just because I'm like, oh, it'd be funny to talk about gun tubers. I'd be fine to talk about horror stories. And then as I got attraction, I eventually realized that this can be something. This can be a job. And I'm blessed enough to be in the situation that those like you know a career and my interest intersected and now became this so i'm very blessed to be in that position but i never entered with the inclination it was going

Starting point is 00:17:15 to go anywhere it was just like i'm doing this so that i can say i did it yeah i made it eli do Eli, do you know this episode was brought to you by Manscaped? Eli? Looks like the carpet does match the drapes. And what a great time, Batty, considering April is Testicular Cancer Awareness Month. You know what that means? Everybody's shave your junk? No, to help raise awareness and fundraise for a good cause. The leaders in Below the Ways Grooming partnered with the Testicular Cancer Society to remind you to check your golden nuggets this month for anything not so golden.

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Starting point is 00:20:19 that's that's how you get there there you go go, everybody from Wendigo. Drop out. No, no, no. Parents hate me enough as is. I don't need an extra layer on that. No, no. But like really, college is great for a lot of people. It wasn't for me. It was the square peg in the round hole. Just like one day it'll work.

Starting point is 00:20:41 They're going to clip that. You were just like this. You know, I had the thought. it was happening I thought if no one brings attention to it and then and I'm like well thank you Eli lovely to meet you anyway I'm your bad inner thoughts you are like clearly and then this is the other side of that point my evil twin yeah he literally has there's no distinction between inside thoughts and outside thoughts for elites they're all just gotta get them out now they stayed in there i don't know i've never kept them in i don't know what happens i'm scared i gotta get them out but anyway so

Starting point is 00:21:35 we were uh i was in college right and i was like um i was making the content on my own time and then what started to do well was the iceberg videos. That was the first trend I had. And that like very quickly garnered success. And I remember like the moment that I was like, this might be something. I had done, I had done a few icebergs. I remember the Star Wars iceberg did well. And by well, I'm talking like, you know, 10,000.

Starting point is 00:22:07 In the beginning, like 10,000 views in a week. I'm like, that's insane. Because, you know, I was going from like 500 views a video to that. I'm like, that's a lot. Then I made like the SCP iceberg. That got maybe one, 200,000. I'm like, that's a lot. And then I remember I made the disturbing movie iceberg. And I actually remember I was in my, it was, what class was it?

Starting point is 00:22:24 It was physics two, I think. It was an 8 a. was what class it was physics two i think uh it was an 8 a.m good one to quit in yeah great one uh yeah well i was starting to get some traction i'm like oh man disturbing like people really like the disturbing movie trend let's see how that does and i started to kind of get the mindset of what will do well like what would be interesting so i remember it was uh it was 8 a.m it was like 8 0 5 i was late to class but i didn't care because i was sitting in the parking lot on the youtube app and i was making the thumbnail right and oh man you were doing it in the app on yes oh i used my phone to record videos up until a million subs like i've i am a horrible example of how you

Starting point is 00:23:03 i i keep tripping backwards and getting here somehow. I got on a subscribe. That is my favorite thing. The amount of our friends that have been like, yeah, like Demo Matt, GoPro talking to himself up until 9 million subs. He's like, okay, I'll get a cameraman. I get it.

Starting point is 00:23:19 I'm like, okay. The amount of people that really shows your content is king. Like you can slap some of the craziest looking cameras or a cool set, but unless there are people that will want to watch it or find it somehow, it doesn't matter if it's on your iPhone or a GoPro. Yeah. Like just start doing it.

Starting point is 00:23:40 People always ask me, well, let me finish this first, but then I'll say welcome to the tangent yeah yeah yeah yeah no this is normal i'll oh i'm also a tangent we will go nowhere if i say um but i was sitting in um the physics two i was sitting outside of the the college class about to go into physics two and i was like five minutes late because i was like editing the thumbnail and i'm like okay this looks good i was monetized at the time so i'm like okay that looks good that looks good and i remember sitting there and i was watching the sunrise and i was like post right and then i go into class one week later exact same position i was late to physics 2 and i was sitting in the parking lot because i was

Starting point is 00:24:18 refreshing over and over because it was at 999 000 views and i was sitting there in the parking lot like a million a million a million and then boom that one m and that was the most and i the same sunset and i i was sitting there i was like this could happen like if i keep trying this might be it uh and i talked to my parents uh because you know they were supporting me through college yeah uh and it was like hey i know this is like you all have been a blessing obviously uh but this is what i think i want and they were like you know obviously parents who aren't familiar with the internet there was a level of like they still probably aren't this is a real job once once i kind of explained it to him they were like i remember my dad he told me a great thing uh my

Starting point is 00:25:00 mom was a bit more like you know in the beginning the beginning, well, sure, we'll see how it goes. But my dad was like, all right. And I remember I asked him and I was like, you're not going to try to bite me on it. Like I was about to start my fourth year of undergrad. Yeah. Right. Like most parents would be like, just do the other year. But I was like, I have to strike while the iron's hot.

Starting point is 00:25:19 What was a quick just what were you? Yeah. A pre-med biology. So I was I was a bio major uh about to go to med school you look like a bio major you look like a bio major that's good i like it i like that that's good look at that coiffed hair that is an intelligent man sorry he's like you do a great job you do thank you thank you I appreciate that. That's very kind. He doesn't drink. He's a smart man.

Starting point is 00:25:48 He's a preacher's kid or a bioman. It's got to be one or the other. Yeah. Those are the options. I pinged you from the start. And he talks about way too disturbing stuff to be a preacher's kid. So bioman. But yeah, so I remember i told my dad and i was like he was like yeah go for it i'm like really you're not gonna try to stop me or anything and he said son uh most people are

Starting point is 00:26:17 going to find out what they need to do because they're going to have a hard time doing anything else and i was like all right uh and you know and like, I say like my mom wasn't there. I mean, my mom wasn't there by like a week. She was like, I support you, whatever you want. And so I just- The mom answer. The mom answer, yeah. And I just full bore went with YouTube and I'm here.

Starting point is 00:26:38 It went great. And now you have a camera instead of your iPhone. This is- Yes, I bought a camera. That's really what this is about. How I bought a camera. I like it now. That's really what this is about. How I bought a camera. I'm looking at you now. That's his progression.

Starting point is 00:26:47 It's that he likes, it's a store window. He's like, I need that camera. Yeah. This has been his plot to walk into that store and slam that something. That one. It was like a Christmas store with a BB gun.

Starting point is 00:26:59 Yeah. Plus just a Sony. Yeah. You've created an empire to buy that. For that camera. The millions of followers for that camera. I can quit now. That's it, guys.

Starting point is 00:27:14 It's over. Bye, everyone. Signing off. Yeah, signing off. That's so good. Like I said, a lot of it a lot of it it has been i i've been very blessed uh to get to this opportunity and uh like you know i i rode the iceberg trend for a while did well on that and then i didn't want to just be the iceberg youtuber so i started to sparse out iceberg with other stuff and now i'm just i guess the youtuber the disturbing Whatever it is. I do disturbing. What's more good?

Starting point is 00:27:48 Thank you. Yeah, I Appreciate that. Thank you Russian again Hey, what are you looking at? You're that camera running which one the middle one? Yeah, I don't see the blingy red dot Oh, there it is. Oh, wow. I looked over, because normally I can see it. It has a time counter on the top left. That's when you know. That's so funny.

Starting point is 00:28:16 Batty just talking, and then he stops. Because that's what I did. I made sure everyone was running. The slow turn. That's good. What the fuck is Batty looking at? I don't like it. What are you looking at?

Starting point is 00:28:25 I don't see it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We're very professional here. I just see that. I'm just like, what the fuck is Batty looking at? I don't like it. What are you looking at? I don't see it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We're very professional here. I just see that. I'm like, but it was your camera. It looked good on your camera. I don't want that one to be the fuck on the camera. No, not that one.

Starting point is 00:28:43 Dude, you, I, wait, we were going to circle back. Oh, the one point I was going to say, though gonna say that was like well let me finish that first uh a lot of people will dm me or whatever they'll be like hey i think i'm thinking about starting a channel what should i do or hey i just started a channel what should i do or like i made the channel what's my first video you know questions like that the advice is make the video it's gonna be bad you're gonna look back on a year and cringe and that that's what you're supposed to do you think i'm happy looking at the gun tuber upload that he brought up and now everyone's gonna go check out i am of course not i'm terrified that he brought it up no but like if you never start you'll never improve you'll you'll you'll never go anywhere if you don't start somewhere right uh so just make the video. Use your iPhone.

Starting point is 00:29:25 I used my iPhone microphone and camera for a while. I mean, can you hear iPhone cameras in my eye? They're pretty good right now. They're pretty good right now. Yeah, yeah. I remember there was a, there used to be this old saying. It's like, write your story, right? It was like, you know, I think Mark Twain would say it a lot.

Starting point is 00:29:43 People would tell him about, you know, their life. He's just write your story just do it uh and then jj abrams uh it's probably a3 or something i don't know some conference he gave he said now in the modern age favorite country singers god i want to jj abrams what he's a good country singer. What are you talking about? Am I being punked? That was good. I was like, does he have some obscure country album out there? I can't see that real well. Is he stupid? I was like, wait a minute.

Starting point is 00:30:14 That was good. That was good. I like that. This is what I have to put on with. Even worse, I just have to sit here and let it happen here we go again this is the bad you lie in it yeah yeah i made this now i am just leaving it with eli i think going off of that it is uh with content creation youtube videos movies story writing you have is mark twain anyone even uh snoop dogg with one of my favorite things is snoop dogg uh what

Starting point is 00:30:45 dre or who said it to him um one of them secure rap just says oh it's tupac tupac told snoop he was like hey make the fucking music he's like it doesn't have to be perfect it's never going to be perfect put it out perfect your craft doing that versus holding on to it and be like it has to be perfect you do that you will never release a damn thing like that is this i can't wait to see this shirt uh make the fucking music tupac eli double because if you never get into it you never will get better if you don't yes absolutely well it's like it's like you know the whole thing about like bodybuilders and stuff's like you're never going

Starting point is 00:31:28 to get a perfect body unless you work with the bad one right like you have to start somewhere it just it doesn't just happen um and it's the same with concentration you're not going to sit there and like formulate a perfect video instead of make one there's no such thing as a perfect video you gotta you gotta suffer through it like the rest of us did you gotta upload that cringy gameplay you made in high school oh yeah when you were playing call of duty zombies with your friends and we're like we're the funniest guys in the world and then you upload it like good do more you'll get you'll get there eventually make another cringy one yeah make it more make it like four slightly less cringy. And then one day

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Starting point is 00:32:50 It's perfect. You put that out. Guess what? Now, how do you film that? Where are the beats at? How do you edit that? How do you do your sound? Guess what?

Starting point is 00:32:57 Now you have eight other things that have to be perfect to match said perfect video. That's why it's put out the shit. Just put shit out. This is why unsub sucks. 100%. You's why put out the shit just put shit out this is why everything else is not so good cameras weren't great for 80 episodes either with the audio oh my god we had episodes where audio just like not work and we just like use on board like on board i'll be honest dedicated mics are like insane to me. It's like I use I finally got a road Mike I was just like swinging a blue Yeti around forever if I had multiple people would be like, oh really? What's your thoughts?

Starting point is 00:33:37 That's how I did everything Blue Yeti it still has the base Like if you watch my old videos, it's like this size, and it's me holding the stand like a claw. Oh, you're holding the stand. Yes, I'm holding the stand. Yeah, absolutely. The JFK video,

Starting point is 00:33:52 which everyone loves for some reason, even though it wasn't well-made. But see? See? You look back, and you're like, oh, was it good? But it got me here. I'm just like death-gripping the blue Yeti

Starting point is 00:34:01 the whole time as I'm talking. Oh, man. Hey, it's got like a million views or something so we made it somehow a lot of your video even your recent one which i really enjoyed uh do we go away hey eli did you ever have to learn a language when you were in high school before you dropped out because you're kind of an idiot yes so language did you try to learn mexican spanish you mean yes how much of spanish did you learn muy learn? Mexican. Spanish, you mean? Yes. How much of Spanish did you learn? Muy poquito. You know what would be great, then, if you would like to learn muy grande espanol?

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Starting point is 00:35:34 I need Babbel, and then I'm going to select English. You need to learn Spanish really bad. You're doing your people a disservice, Eli. I know. Talk about why you chose this new language. Oh, talk about why. Oh, that about why you chose this new language. Oh, talk about why. Oh, that's why you chose. I'm going to learn Spanish because I do my people a disservice.

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Starting point is 00:37:16 Welcome to unsubscribe with me and Eli DoubleTaps. His name is Eli. And. I hate him. I hate him. Back, back to spelling. Grumble, grumble, grumble. I fucking hate Resident Evil. I've tried to like Resident Evil games for so long

Starting point is 00:37:34 and I don't get it. I don't see the appeal. What do you mean you don't get it? I don't. You don't like them? I don't like them. It's survival horror. What do you mean you don't get it?

Starting point is 00:37:43 You play the game and you're like, that was fun. That's what you get. That was dope. I shot zombies in a giant monster infected by a T-Biose. Yeah, yeah. Whatever fucking virus is going down. I shot that guy and his head exploded. Dude, you see this upgraded Desert Eagle?

Starting point is 00:37:58 Their heads pop. It's dope. Which Resident Evils have you played? Seven and 6. 7 and... Don't start at 6. 6 is the worst one. 6 is the worst one.

Starting point is 00:38:08 Do you think that's why I made... It's the worst one by far. I don't know which Resident Evil it was. The first one I actually started with. It was PlayStation 2. I don't remember which one it is. Maybe the original 4 then? Was it in a city or a village?

Starting point is 00:38:22 It was a city. Absolutely. So 2 or 3. You were playing like a cop or something. That would be two. Okay, then yes. Well, if it was PS2, though, then it was Resident Evil 4. Wait, it was a city?

Starting point is 00:38:35 Yeah, it said it was a city. Oh, yeah. Then Resident Evil 2. Male cop or female cop? Male cop. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, city, Resident Evil 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:42 But all my friends liked it. I didn't like it at all well okay so so i'll get i'll give him this as someone who's younger right like i didn't grow up with it like when i was playing playstation 2 i was eight right yeah so i was like sorry I could be your father. You could actually. All right. I don't want to. Anyway, tell him you're proud of him.

Starting point is 00:39:16 Tell him you're proud of him. Proud of you. I'm proud of you, dad. Make it in YouTube. You're a good kid. That's a pretty good impression of my dad. I love my dad very much. Tell me you're disappointed in me.

Starting point is 00:39:31 Son, Kyle. Why can't you be Winda Goon? Great impression of my dad. Why can't you like Resident Evil? Why can't you be more like your brother? My dad listens to this and he's going to call me and be like, I told you you were dumb. He's going to do it.

Starting point is 00:39:52 He just calls, laughs, and hangs up. He's done that shit. We talked about Pokemon cards and how we were, oh, let's get back to Pokemon cards. They're worth a whole bunch of money. He called me. He literally goes, I found all your Pokemon cards from when you were a kid because they'd been missing. I thought they got thrown away or sold then i go wait for he's like

Starting point is 00:40:08 yeah i've had them in my storage this whole time i'm like oh my god he's like kidding that's a that's a good one because he's listening to this fucking podcast thank you baddies dad that was great that's pretty good i like that so i don't know i grew up not yeah yeah okay yeah back to the problem you and resident evil yeah let's not get off track five episodes talking about how i don't like resident evil oh my god i think it's just because i i grew okay all right so what my point was like i was too young to experience the og games yeah i actually never played the resident evil like what through like middle school and stuff it was when i was in high school and i was like i want to play like i was just in a mindset where i was like i want to play a horror

Starting point is 00:40:54 game what out and like two days ago resident evil 7 came out i'm like never played a resident evil let's try it out oh my god that's a you want to talk high school you you want to talk about falling in love with the game. I played that and I was like, like, where have you been all my life? Right. What the fuck?

Starting point is 00:41:11 Yeah. I was blown away. Just like you're thrown in this horror setting, like fun game play, like abstract body whore and stuff. I was like, this is great. I played that game so much.

Starting point is 00:41:22 I remember I got every achievement. I would start speed running it. I'd like to watch speed runs on YouTube and try to copy what they were doing to see how fast I'd get through obsessed with the game. Yeah. And then I was like, I got to go back and play the old ones. And like,

Starting point is 00:41:35 I played the resident evil one remake. That's, you know, tank controls, tank control. So what I was going to say is I, as someone who didn't grow up with it, if I, I like them because I like the story I'm invested in it, tank control so what i was going to say is i as someone who didn't grow up with it if i i like

Starting point is 00:41:46 them because i like the story i'm invested in it but i haven't replayed those games because i didn't like the controls they were so clunky to me right back in there antiquated yes at the time at the time cool right but going from seven to that i was like eh i'm good but then it's part of the horror that when you're running you know it is like stop and you're like you gotta rotate to get on the court yeah yeah your controls are suddenly reversed and you're trying to run on a map that's now this way falling like i remember i don't know i was always playing your Final Fantasies, things like that. And, like, even now, I'm still...

Starting point is 00:42:28 I'm either playing a hardcore shooter survival game or a complete RPG, and there is nothing else for me. Like, I can't get into Resident Evil. It just... Have you played... So you said you played, like, the one on the PS2, right? Yeah. Have you played any of the modern

Starting point is 00:42:45 ones uh seven no uh like a remake of two remakes oh no i haven't i haven't i haven't done any two remakes this i was so stoked oh my god don't flip the hand tell them how disappointed you are i'm disappointed see that's your dad none too resident. Okay. I love the Resident Evil 2. I love the Resident Evil 2 remake so much. I have probably speedrun that game. If I'm being honest, over 50 times. You know Summoning Salt? Do you watch Summoning Salt videos?

Starting point is 00:43:17 I do, yes. Yeah, I love Summoning Salt. Yeah, great channel. Great channel. How'd you get in here? Sorry, now that guy's gone. Yeah, I watched it. This is a great show. I'm sorry, I was busy doing Dungeons and Dragons. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Starting point is 00:43:34 Nerd. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I've never enjoyed horror games. I'm sorry, I was busy doing Dungeons and Dragons. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Nerd. I've never enjoyed horror games.

Starting point is 00:43:50 I think that's really it. I just don't care. Okay, this is weird. You just want him to hate you. I'm kicking the hornet's nest here, I know. This started at the level of like, you know, I'm not really into sushi. And I'm like, oh, really?

Starting point is 00:44:03 Why? And you're like, I just don't eat meat. Like, that is a wildly word I'm not really into sushi. And I'm like, oh, really? Why? And you're like, I just don't eat meat. Like, that is a wildly word. I also do hate sushi. Make a podcast with this guy. I love

Starting point is 00:44:17 sushi. I have talked myself into a corner. I am aware, and I will willingly continue to do so. All right. You've got one more strike. Sushi Resident Evil. Like man, okay, alright. So.

Starting point is 00:44:32 He's pissed. Maintaining myself. Give me booze. Don't make me breath the sword. I'll bring up the sword. No, no, no, no. That's just because. You know what?

Starting point is 00:44:41 Eli will get it. Eli will get it. I walked in the room. I am a fan of Berserk, right? Yes, yes, absolutely. That's just because you know what Eli will get it Eli will get it. I walked in the room I am a fan of berserk right the yeah. Yes. Yes, absolutely My man, yes, I'm an entire sleep. I'm I'm a fan of berserk I walked in the door was standing over at the counter and looked over here and I just saw the blade chip I was like, oh is that's gut sore is that gut sore and he's like no it's cloud and

Starting point is 00:45:05 I'm like oh and then I looked walked closer I was like yeah I see that now yeah yeah yeah get me now that's a dragon slayer I self-reported yeah yeah he doesn't like berserk yeah I gotta go it's actually it's actually time thank you everyone uh wendigoon you're on youtube thank you it's just bad hentai that's all berserk is what i don't think you know what that word means. Oh, I know. I've done extensive extensive research. What? Berserk?

Starting point is 00:45:50 Because of the, because of the, you're referring to the, the, the, the god, the god hand scene, right? Where, where they all, where they, yeah, the eclipse,

Starting point is 00:45:59 where they all get like shredded. Yeah. That, that's Hentai to you. That's what you, I think i found the okay mr going down the dark path of every spooky story but i do it one time i watched some fucked up hentai one time now i'm the weirdo i'm just saying you watched a guy get ripped in half by a monster and you're like, oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:26 Perverted. I know what this is. You haven't seen that entire episode. It's like, wait, wait, wait. We didn't all watch that? That was homework for the episode. I mean, when I was in high school, there was some weird shit on the internet. The internet was new, new.

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Starting point is 00:47:14 To go back. To go back. Before we figured out that he doesn't like Resident Evil, you were talking about video games in general, right? That's where this started. I was asking, what kind of games do you like? I'm like, I love Resident Evil. And Batty was like, oh, yes, my time to hate it. Like, yeah, ready.

Starting point is 00:47:32 It's my favorite segment of the podcast when I get to talk about how much I hate the new game that's out right now. Everything you love. He's just pouring coffee on you. What game do you like? So I play this game from Tarkov a lot. Okay. I can see. I also play Tarkov. I like Tarkov. He's just pouring coffee I can see I also play Tarkov. I like Tarkov

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Starting point is 00:49:12 Kershaw.com Be you. Be the best version of you. What in the Kershaw Blades? I'm Wolverine! What other was I guarantee? Like Silent Hill you probably played one or two. I actually, as a matter of fact, I've never played Silent Hill.

Starting point is 00:49:27 I've watched playthroughs of them because whereas Resident Evil, yes, I hear it's horrible. Whereas Resident Evil is like, you know, they want people to be, yeah, survival horror. And like the devs want people to be able to play it. Silent Hill is like,

Starting point is 00:49:44 until the remake that's coming out which i will be playing but until before then it's like oh well yeah go buy a buy a buy a nintendo 64 then you can play or whatever console it first came out like playstation play station yeah yeah like yeah yeah it's like oh yeah go buy a playstation one uh by the way if you try to emulate it we'll like uh take it down or whatever but yeah you can go find a playstation 1 and an original disc that isn't scratched up and then you can play the game that way yeah like okay no thanks sweet they did the remake of the uh it was like for xbox or it's like an updated system like hey we're real we're relaunching it and they fucked it up it was better on the play PlayStation because the fog. They're like, update the graphics.

Starting point is 00:50:25 We got rid of the fog. Let's just get rid of the particles. Yeah, so all the fog's gone. Now you're just in a city. It's way less scary now. It's like the mist with no mist. That's funny. That's pretty good.

Starting point is 00:50:37 Just a dog runs out. This is literally what happened. I thought you meant they emptied up too much. I didn't realize they went the wrong way with the slider. They're like, turned off the mist. No mist. None. Yeah, there was nothing.

Starting point is 00:50:49 It was just like, really? I didn't know. Everyone's like, this is not as scary. I'm not going to lie. It's not so great. I'm being honest. I think the fog was a good choice. That's why I was scared when I played, like, middle school.

Starting point is 00:51:03 I think I played the original one. And that game. That game's for resident evil like when resident evil one two the dogs jumping through the yeah all those little like moments as a child you're like you know uh the original i forget his name uh westward chris redfield barry well well the characters yes but the one the creators of the game oh oh um it was the guy who like came up with the actual like he was the director effectively of love it he uh famously hated scary stuff yes yeah yeah yeah yeah have you talked about this on the podcast no okay all right so the creator of the original Resident Evil despised scary stuff.

Starting point is 00:51:46 Just like me. Love it. He wrote comedy, I think, right? And he was given the job because they're like, you're scared of everything. So make stuff that's scary. So when he made the original Resident Evil, he was like, I would hate it if dogs jumped through a window right now.

Starting point is 00:52:01 So he puts it in the game. And whenever they go to play test it, he wouldn't watch. be like okay did it happen all right and then go back to it like he was terrified of the game itself uh and it like the original resident evil like well sure graphics and stuff and controls are dated great voice acting it's a jill sandwich yeah you almost became a jill sandwich you the master of lock picking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss all of those bad ass lights. They're so good.

Starting point is 00:52:31 Jules, there's a snake. Watch out. These are, there's no influence. We've played some of the old Metal Gear and Resident Evil voice lines. Metal Gear has good voice acting. Metal Gear 3 is such. Okay. I've worked with Metal Gear.

Starting point is 00:52:52 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. always say i hate more than anything the two game series i don't like metal gear and i don't like resident evil those are my like my two i don't care hey give give i get to talk like this give give give me one story-based game legend of zelda that's what i was playing i was the nintendo 64 legend of zelda uh that. That was me, yeah. Pokemon, that's where I was.

Starting point is 00:53:27 I'm probably blowing out the mic. You were a Nintendo kid. Absolutely, 100%. I had a PlayStation 2. I see the problem. My friend had a PlayStation, so I could go over and that's how I found the Final Fantasy genre. I always played on my buddy's PlayStation.

Starting point is 00:53:42 Then I got a PlayStation 2, and that's when I started being able to do it myself. But at that point, I didn't care about Resident Evil. Have you ever seen anything in Metal Gear Solid 3, Snake Eater? No. Thank you. Yeah. I got you.

Starting point is 00:53:54 No. Okay. All right. Anyway, so yeah, I like... It's like, I don't even want to... It wasn't even that good, okay? That one's fine. That one's fine.

Starting point is 00:54:07 I'll give you that. Hideo went Hideo on that one. Yeah, yeah, he did. Well, it's a stacking carrying simulator. I'm a UPS man. That one, sure. No offense. Snake Eater.

Starting point is 00:54:18 Boss. Man, that, honestly, I have to be careful about saying this. Honestly, Metal Gear solid 3 is probably the reason i'm so radicalized right now if i'm being honest okay you know metal gear solid 3 right i am i so the reason i joined the military was because of metal gear solid so like that's why i was like i need to fucking go to war and stuff which is the the game's pretty anti-military but i guess yeah it looks cool my son's named riding like five came out liquid snakes names eli and i was like my oh my life i have fulfilled the hideo kojima at a vip party at first PAX I went to okay all right so yeah you

Starting point is 00:55:06 definitely get it all right so in Metal Gear Solid 3 um thank you so don't open your body to him I need closed up body language right now rotate shoulders. At the end of Metal Gear Solid 3, the game is about snakes. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is 3 the one with... Snake Eater out in 1960s, 70s. It's in Vietnam. It's post-Vietnam.

Starting point is 00:55:38 Oh, no, you're talking about Quiet. Quiet, yes. Which one was Quiet? That's 5. Okay, I know Quiet, and I actually think I do know the one that was in Vietnam because I have played one of them.

Starting point is 00:55:47 I don't remember which one because, again, it wasn't a game that stuck with me because I didn't care. I know. I know. I'm digging the hole. I get it. Did you play enough? You didn't finish it, right?

Starting point is 00:55:58 No, definitely not. 100% didn't finish it. It's hard. I pray for you. So, anyway. I don't know. When I got in the Deku tree, I was just too much

Starting point is 00:56:09 and I hate Legends of Zelda. Batty just stops and he doesn't complete the first dungeon. He's like, it's just a shit game, you know? Yeah, yeah. I was playing a little bit

Starting point is 00:56:19 and I was like, what are all the trees doing here? Are those bad guys playing? I'm a chronic. A serial, if you will. I will stop a game if I don't enjoy in the first couple hours 100% I'll just be like never gonna plays again Metal Gear is only a couple hours long Like playing Phantasy Star online like I don't know what you want from me right now, okay? Which, by the way, they're bringing back Phantasy Star Online. Don't change the subject.

Starting point is 00:56:50 Don't change it. I'm going to tell them about how Metal Gear 3 ends. At the end of Metal Gear 3, yes, you deserve it. At the end of Metal Gear 3, the character who goes on to be Big Boss, right? Snake. The entire... Naked Snake.

Starting point is 00:57:05 Yes. That was a good impression. He does it all the time. It's important. I'm D. Crab battle. He's like, damn it. I just want to get...

Starting point is 00:57:20 Windigoon. That was good. Thank you. That helped. And at the end of Metal Gear 3, throughout the entire game, Big Boss has been tracking down, the boss, has been tracking down his mentor, who's now a traitor to the United States. And it turns out at the end of the game that she was not a traitor,

Starting point is 00:57:38 but she allowed herself to become a traitor publicly in order to keep the state secrets. So she effectively laid down her life and reputation so that the united states government could maintain its legitimacy and when i was a kid very much middle military that literally what the army would do so when so metal gear solid 3 was the first one i played right because i hadn't played there that was the first one i came on to so i was playing metal gear solid 3 and the entire time i'm like i'm playing as big boss right i'm like isn't he the bad guy because Metal Gear Solid 3 is a prequel right uh in the first two he's the bad guy he's the one that Snake's going after right um so throughout all of Metal Gear Solid 3

Starting point is 00:58:16 which it's a clone yeah yeah it's weird it's weird it's weird Hideo Koji whatever yeah same person but not yeah anyway um so Metal Gear Solid 3 I'm like i'm this is the bad guy right i'm playing at the bag the whole time i'm like he's not a bad guy what's that about and at the end of the game whenever snake or big boss yeah kills boss uh and then it shows in the epilogue that he finds out that she was not a traitor and that he willingly for the government hunted her down and killed her. He goes to her grave that says the traitor and he stands there in Arlington and salutes her. Like I'd like in the hero, like the perfect American soldier who was trained by this woman who he cared deeply about now standing before her grave that says the traitor and in spite of it saluting and the moment he saluted I sat there and I went he's not the villain that's just what they call him yeah and that was like a

Starting point is 00:59:17 monumental moment for me an understanding story an understanding character it was like it was like a switch flipped and I'm like he's not the bad guy that's just the label right and that's why i say it radicalized because that's where outer heaven and that's why he started this military he won uh he wanted his own world where it's like hey soldiers that do this are respected and it's not the government they are betrayed by their state yeah you're not tools of the government like a great box says he's like you're not tools for the government soldiers of yourself not soldiers of their fortune yeah and this whole time i was just going breaking pots collecting my rupees does this table flip

Starting point is 00:59:59 i mean like Metal Gear it all those stories I love stories like that especially when you get those deep stories in video games I wish you're too young

Starting point is 01:00:11 Xenogears actually you I would tell you to play Xenogears I mean there's there's the ones on Switch now available I believe I'm almost positive

Starting point is 01:00:18 PlayStation 1 game it is an RPG I don't know how big you are into JRPGs I've dabbled you know for a story-based game especially when you xenoblade yeah okay yeah xenoblade yeah that will involve that will

Starting point is 01:00:33 especially for a 1997 game you'll go into that you'll play it and your mind's going to be like holy fuck this came out in 1997. This is groundbreaking. This is like, they had to switch it for American release. They had to redo a lot of the stuff for American release because the bad guy, the main antagonist is gone. No, I am putting what you are not explaining the entire history of Xenogears for the fourth time on this podcast. Our viewers know Xenogears better than anybody time on this podcast. He was our players knows, you know,

Starting point is 01:01:06 you're better than anybody else at this point. So good. But I'm not going to, because you, you, I will, I will bet you will play it, but like the main antagonist and this is out the gate. God, it is a different. Oh wow, okay. And this is 1997.

Starting point is 01:01:19 So you're like, what the fuck? And little kid, Eli, I was like, whoa. Whoa. Fucking dope as shit. God, like the one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The deus? What?

Starting point is 01:01:29 It's a deus for America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was funny. The American translation was like, yeah, we can't say the bad guy's God. Really? Yeah. That sounds like an American translation. Is that what that is?

Starting point is 01:01:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Japan was like, but do I? It was like, no, we can't do that guys okay let's teach you to dance and then they're good yeah all right fair enough yeah play i promise for story but cool shit i'm also into all those weird religious like you know i've made videos about like daunties oh i know i'm into all the weird religious stuff. Absolutely. The terror of angels in their normal form and why they're terrifying creatures. Ball of eyes, man.

Starting point is 01:02:11 The horrific might of God. Yeah. Very interesting. Like, hey guys, what? It's like, I just picture this top. It's like, hey, it's an angel. I'm like, hey, what's up? What the fuck?

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Starting point is 01:03:02 midsummer um like that came out recently oh no midsummer's director is the same one oh ari astro directed hereditary hereditary right here which i'm assuming you which you've seen probably more times than you should have yeah i've seen that movie a lot yeah isn't it crazy that was his first movie yeah well it was his second but his first big uh that was his first uh theatrical release yeah he did one before that but to have that skill level yeah for directing and human reaction is why i always compliment his directing style he gets human interaction yes it's like this is how people would actually react in this situation like i watched hereditary like first week of that in theaters i'm like like, this guy is something special.

Starting point is 01:03:46 This is great. I've followed him thoroughly since. Midsommar, his new movie coming out, Bo is Afraid. I'm excited for it. I can't wait for that one.

Starting point is 01:03:54 I haven't heard of it. That has a... Joaquin Phoenix. Joaquin Phoenix. Really? Oh, okay. It's going to be terrifying. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:04:03 I have no concept of what it's about, but I don't want to. I want to walk in and get scared. The Thing, you like The Thing. You've watched The Thing, right? Oh, yes. That's probably my favorite.

Starting point is 01:04:13 Historically, my favorite horror movie. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Oh, it's a great movie. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to. I'm not even going to. Very good.

Starting point is 01:04:23 Hard catch to the bummer. The original. Baddies and Baddies. The Buster's Road. I check your dad. Slow turn. I just like that styrofoam and you killed him with it. What's funny about the thing is that that movie was actually despised when it came out.

Starting point is 01:04:40 I know. Yeah. You know, it's crazy so the uh the john comforter film was based off of the 1950s film uh the thing from outer space or thing from another world whatever that was based off of a book called who goes there oh see i didn't and like as far as titles go the thing's cool for like a horror a monster movie who goes there's who goes there is one of the coolest titles i've ever heard because it's about you know the darkness of and that's what the book played on more like the darkness of antarctica and the idea of these shapes and figures forming

Starting point is 01:05:14 in a land that shapes would not exist there's no life out here and that's where a lot of the horror came from and those are my like my two favorite settings are dead space space settings where it's an isolated like the is here or whatever it is. And then you have like Alaska or Antarctica where it's like, again, lifeless. So when you're there and now there's a bump in the night, you're like, that's not human because there is no human in this fucking area. That's absolutely terrible. That's why I like dead goes there Dead Space 2 3 especially but Dead Space 2

Starting point is 01:05:46 it lost it the second it was like you're in a city now there's humans standing around I was like Dead Space 2 am I allowed to say

Starting point is 01:05:53 I didn't like Dead Space 2 am I allowed to say that the first one was good I can live with that you like wait you said you don't like

Starting point is 01:06:00 horror games but then again Dead Space is a newer IP so at that point I was trying newer things you like new wait wait wait You said you don't like horror games. But then again, Dead Space is a newer IP. So at that point, I was trying newer things. You like new? Wait, wait, wait. You blankedly said you don't like horror games.

Starting point is 01:06:13 I don't, but I've played Dead Space. Do you like it? Yeah. Then you like a horror game. Not really. No. Are you saying Dead Space isn't really a horror game? No, it's a horror game, but it's okay.

Starting point is 01:06:29 Sci-fi horror. Maybe. I don't know. You don't like sci-fi. No, I love Dead Space is absolutely a sci-fi horror. You like sci-fi horror. Yes. You like sci-fi horror.

Starting point is 01:06:37 Yeah. What do you consider horror horror? I don't think Resident Evil. Resident Evil is absolutely sci-fi horror. Maybe not like 7 and 8, but like the OGs, the remakes are 100% sci-fi horror. There's bioweapons. It's like the death of a generation of sci-fi. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:57 It's not in space. Science fiction horror. It's not in space. That's what I'm saying. Sci-fi is space, yes. Yeah, that's where it is. To the sky. No! No! By what I'm saying I fight is space. Yes. Yeah Like someone gets it finally yes, but I find space science fiction Sorry does it just exist in space it's here too it's on earth all right yeah science is real oh this is good so it's space that's okay it's like uh what do you want from me sunshine what's

Starting point is 01:07:38 the movie sunshine yes yeah yeah it was zillian murphy yeah weird i always the third act i was like oh i wish they did the third act but really good sci-fi horror i love strange horror yeah like just weird like that uh what's the other one event horizon oh yeah yeah then the age is good yes yeah yeah yeah you've seen event horizon right i don't i don't even want to look at him after you ask something tell me what he says i know the answer will be but i can't look at his face i am so far down the fantasy path i i don't care you know you know what i'll give you that because i was never much of a fantasy kid i was always more of a sci-fi kid i was never that in the lord of the rings super into star wars exactly like lord of the rings that was everything to me i still love star wars but i'll i'll see a different cloth

Starting point is 01:08:37 i loved hereditary though i'm not not normally. So hereditary is not. No, I know. I know. I know. But it's horror. We're back to the horror thing. Remember?

Starting point is 01:08:48 I don't like horror games. Fuck off. This is bullshit. I hate this fucking podcast. Max is like, why did I invite him? He's like, I did this to myself.

Starting point is 01:08:58 This man legit. We were talking about science fiction. It's like, no, but I like hereditary. Science fiction horror. Batty's got a select few guests on. You're one of them.

Starting point is 01:09:08 And it's like, he's the one that brought you on. It's such a bummer when you could never, ever, ever come back. I can't wait to talk to Brandon about how he's beat here so much. It's so a shame that you died after the podcast. Okay. Yeah. I'm literally the antithesis of what you do and what you like. I know that, but that's fine.

Starting point is 01:09:35 All right. All right. I do feel bad bragging a little bit. Good. I hope you do. I'm going to cry. We both like hereditary. Yes.

Starting point is 01:09:43 All right. We're good. Continue. Let right. We're going to continue. Let's hold on. That's it. What do you like? You like air too? Me too. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:51 We both breathe sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just wanted to hear like a little bit of how you felt about that type of setting going from, you know, how we were talking about horror video games to that actual, like, horror-style movie. Psychological horror. Yes. I think that's truly the only kind of horror I really like

Starting point is 01:10:13 is that, like, deep-seated psychological horror. Because, like, jump scare stuff doesn't do it for me anymore. Like, I just don't care about a lot of horror things because so much of it, I feel feel is playing on just jump scare just that constant oh you're waiting for the it's gonna be in your face thing and i that feels cheap to me in so many games that are horror games i feel rely on a lot of that type of tactic well what is i i assume like if i can yeah rephrase that is the idea of like what is the most terrifying form of horror? Is it the psychological? Is it like we've,

Starting point is 01:10:46 we've discussed, I want to be afraid. Amnesia is a game where I say, Hey, that's a scary. That is a terrifying game. Absolutely. You're taking,

Starting point is 01:10:53 I always say it's, you're taking the weapon away from the individuals. Do you like amnesia? A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I can continue. You're taking the weapon away.

Starting point is 01:11:02 I didn't mean to cut you off. Was that, was that a good thing or a bad thing? This man, he's like, I don't like horror games. Unless it's, you know, Dead Space, Amnesia. It feels like you're gaslighting him. Yeah, I have no concept. I don't find Resident Evil games scary.

Starting point is 01:11:18 You just don't like Resident Evil. I really just don't like Resident Evil. Any other horror game. What's it called? Honeypot? Honey? Honey digging? Honeypotting? Yeah, I hear about it. You're Honeypotting. I'm Honeypotting. don't what's it called any other horror game what's it called honey pot honey honey honey potting yeah no yeah you're honey potting i'm honey potting the type of horror i like is like that i need to feel truly terrified because normal things don't scare me like that like normal scary like a scary movie i don't care it's the body morphia stuff that's not gonna do it you need a deeper right you need a or even video like um hereditary what was the uh the original uh oh god the the house was haunted

Starting point is 01:11:53 they had like the camera set up it was super low budget paranormal activity like your original paranormal activity like that type of stuff that that really was like realism really yeah that's what i need in a horror setting to actually enjoy it. I feel because you need a real situation. I need to feel that visceral response to it. Otherwise it feels cheap and fake to me, which is why I don't enjoy a lot of these scary games or get like a lot of that.

Starting point is 01:12:19 They feel cheap to me because I don't find any of that scary. Like I can read a spooky story and be like, okay, it doesn't bother me. And I think that's my issues. I need something to be like, to fuck with me. I think what it might be.

Starting point is 01:12:32 I'm a piece of shit. No, no, you're not. Anyone can come back. I think what it is, is just you haven't played a lot of good horror games. A lot of what you're saying is the same thing

Starting point is 01:12:48 a lot of people apply to horror movies. I like horror movies. They're jump scares. They do stuff like that. It's like, well, yeah, a lot of them are. But a lot of them, like Hereditary and stuff like that aren't. And film is in a unique sense to where the director, the creators

Starting point is 01:13:04 of a film, have hundred percent control on how you experience the product right everything you see is tailored whereas in a video game there's a lot more user response so what that means different people play games different ways some some people like me speed run like yeah play them over and over some people play it once and they're done so what that means is that horror games that are popular are going to naturally be much more subjective than movies that are popular right so like resident evil is really popular but i 100 will admit i love the resident evil games they're not that scary i've never been that scared by i like some of the scary themes like you know the gothic architecture and the

Starting point is 01:13:42 creepy monsters seven i've never seven seven has moments and eight has my i remember the first time playing walking through like the castle and stuff i'm like that's just pretty creepy but you know now i've speed ran the game 20 times it's because it is right exactly a lot but that's because i enjoyed the game i like i like the fun part of it but yeah it's not scary six actually six going off of that six is weird because six is like here's action and leon leon stuff was they tried to do resident evil 2 yeah they tried to go back to the horror stuff but then it was like action action and that's where after four they just went yeah the boulder punch the boulder uh but what that means is that a lot of the horror games that get popular are

Starting point is 01:14:24 going to be ones that will you know know, tailor to a certain play style. I talk about Resident Evil because I have fun playing it, not because it's scary. But naturally, just because I talk about it, that means Resident Evil will become more popular. Yeah. So I think maybe you should. I'm also not trying to sound like, oh, you haven't played a horror game before. No, I don't mean it like that. But, like, there are really good horror

Starting point is 01:14:45 games so among us is super scary guys right yeah okay and he lost me all right you were saying that horror takes away the the tools from you to yeah yeah back to that i'll say that a whole bunch is if you don't have firearms in a video game or something to defend yourself that's where you get your clock towers you get those goals it adds that element i'm like oh fuck yeah it's like playing ashley we've talked about that like you have no weapons and you're just like leon and you're just terrified like fuck yeah get through this part and i know you're just running heart starts racing i die if i fuck this up dead space and also how powerful you start to get in the games, it becomes less terrifying.

Starting point is 01:15:29 Absolutely. The Tyrant was scary because it could fucking murder you instantly. Leading up to the Tyrant, you're like, I got this, and zombies are like, I'll just blow a bunch of away. Then you get the Lickers,

Starting point is 01:15:39 and you're like, oh, fuck. These things will fucking murder me if I fuck this up really quick. And that's where my horror... You guys remember Left 4 Dead? What a scary game it was. I love Left 4 Dead. It's such a great game!

Starting point is 01:15:51 I hate that you phrased it in a way I can't agree with you. That's what I don't like. The little crying girls in the corner with the light flickering. So scary. Oh, the... The witch. Yeah, the witch, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:04 Well, if you're going to, like, what games? Like, Slender Man. I don't know. Did you play any of those witch. Yeah, the witch, yeah. Well, if you're going to, like, wood games like Slenderman, I don't know, did you play any of those, like... Yeah, yeah, like the little... Cheapo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:11 Of course, of course. Or even when Hideo... It's a goddamn travesty. It's a goddamn travesty. PT. If PT was released, I would have been in fucking heaven. Because that...

Starting point is 01:16:25 I've got to say, out of every... I'm not going to say every project, but out of every video game project I've ever heard of, that is the greatest tragedy. By far. You know what we're talking about, right? That's fine if he doesn't know. It's just when he

Starting point is 01:16:42 viscerally doesn't like something, that is an issue. Yeah, so... I'm not gonna lie there was this trailer that dropped on playstation out of nowhere it was a game just out of nowhere it was like download for free called pt instead for playable teaser playable trailer yeah uh and it was how long did it take to play 10 15 minutes yep 10 15 minutes if if you knew exactly if you knew exactly what to do of some of the coolest what would the word for it be it's like it's like there's horror but most of the scary stuff is clouded from you like subdued horror it but most of the scary stuff is clouded from you. Like subdued horror. It was some of the coolest implied horror.

Starting point is 01:17:28 Implied horror is probably the best. That I have ever seen in that amount of time in the game. There was one looping hallway, and as you went through, things just slowly changed. It was one of the best put-together scares. Terrifying, great. And then trailer ends with your character you find a way out of the house then cuts to a cinematic of norman reedus walking down the street he turns around looks at the camera keeps walking it's down an abandoned road and then it says silent hills

Starting point is 01:17:57 like this was supposed to be the new silent hill game. Starring Norman Reedus, with one of the best intros ever. They dropped it. Hideo Kojima and Del Toro were the two directors for this game. And they dropped it. And it was terrifying. It's a repeating hallway,

Starting point is 01:18:23 so it's just like two, it's like an L hallway. It's an L. That's game that's and then you're like uh little sounds would happen and then you go through it and then now all the lights are off and you're like okay what the fuck and there's like a small glow then the phone rings and there's a radio and what was so cool was like the like it was a teaser right so you got implications of a bigger story like the radio was talking about like a man who murdered a family of four it talks in detail about how like he hunted the daughter through the house and how he took his own life and then you pick up the phone it's like a baby crying and then there's a fetus there's a fetus in like the sink at one point like it and you get the idea that your character is almost in a purgatory or a hell.

Starting point is 01:19:08 And the idea a lot of people had is like, is my character the killer? Is this hell? Is that what I'm rapping through? There's a woman that follows you down the hallway. Yeah, her head's like twitching and broken. It's like, maybe that's the wife of the person I killed. Yeah. It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka. S soda, natural flavors.

Starting point is 01:19:31 So, what should we talk about? No sugar added? Neutral. Refreshingly simple. The hallway, there's like when you go around. And this is a 10-15 minute teaser. This was a trailer for a game.

Starting point is 01:19:56 One of the scariest things when you walk down that corner and you see the ghost lady for the first time, it's like it's just in the background. She's far enough away. It's a shape. You may not have seen it. And it's just in the background she's far enough away shape yeah yeah you may not have seen it and it's just like it's doing that erratic like shutter the creepy twitch yeah you're like what the fuck it oh and it's gone and then you turn around grabs your fucking yeah yeah you're like

Starting point is 01:20:19 but if you never turn around and try to backtrack that never happens like it's just you you've so like yeah and so it's like oh maybe my character like maybe he killed his family now he's in a purgatory maybe he has to relive the trauma maybe he knew the people like so many questions yeah they dropped the game that the the biggest tragedy in probably in horror games by far yeah without a doubt that it was that close

Starting point is 01:20:50 Silent Hills I'm surprised something like this hasn't resurfaced with how much they're bringing back old IPs or just

Starting point is 01:20:58 that's what we're hoping with Kojima well see what happened is Kojima it's good to see they're remaking it right because it's like oh they remember they know it exists yeah because like the last thing they did with silent hill

Starting point is 01:21:12 before that uh was they made like these like slot machine things in japan what are they called oh the konami does the clinko uh yeah i'm not punko pico pico uh i know what you're talking it's like a slot machine thing. That's it. That's the only Silent Hill thing they've done in like 10 years other than PT. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:31 It's like they have this massive... Resident Evil's killing it. Giant. You want to talk about a game series that came back. They killed it with 6 and 7 was like the resurrection. Now they got the remakes. It's doing great. And Silent...

Starting point is 01:21:43 See, I can appreciate 7. Yeah, it's doing well. Yes. I've done an entire watch through of 7. I played the first bit of it. Sure, Resident Evil games aren't for me. I can appreciate why these games are good. Yes, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:56 And so like that's happening with Capcom and Konjima's like, eh, we don't need Silent Hill. Like, what is wrong with you? And that like everyone wanted pt to happen but when they made death stranding with norman reedus i kind of saw because del toro was a part of that too right so it's like they redirected their assets to death stranding yeah that's what we wanted bring it bring it back to silent hill wanted this but you want we wanted

Starting point is 01:22:22 silent hills yeah yeah because they had that entire fuck show with MGS5. And that's why part of Silent Hills was a problem. And all that shit happened. So I'm assuming that Kojima and whoever owns the Silent Hill IP, they're not friends. Well, right now. So Konami. Is it Konami?

Starting point is 01:22:40 It's Konami, right? Yep. Do you know they're remaking Metal Gear Solid 3? Don't tell me that. Uh-huh. don't tell me that uh-huh right now everything's like that's why everyone's like holy shit yeah so right now that's like the main thing everyone's like it's been hinted at it's like hey they're jumping straight to three yeah they're just doing it because that's the one everyone that is the one that is the one everyone's like like i said that was if we're being completely honest partially the reason i'm here right now is youtubers because of metal gear solid three

Starting point is 01:23:09 to a degree to a degree me being interested in the things i'm in yeah yeah especially when it comes to like anti-government Terrian at heart Mostly just not liking the government But that's what yeah, I'm surprised you didn't know I didn't know that man, I'm gonna cry that's beautiful He knows it's like MGS 3 remake bro, it's all the tops. Like, yo. MGS coming soon. For you? I'll buy it. I'm not going to say I'm going to play it, but I'll buy it.

Starting point is 01:23:55 I'll support it. I'm sure the gameplay will be updated. Right? And the story broke my little heart. I still think about him saluting that tombstone all the time.

Starting point is 01:24:11 I can't wait to see it because that game had revolutionary shit like from the camo system to the eating system and all these little things that Hideo implemented. Yeah, you had to pick the right camo depending on your terrain. See, that's kind of cool. Hideo always pushes the envelope and that's why i wanted to see silent hills because it's pushing that envelope in everything possible and they're like no we don't need to make it

Starting point is 01:24:34 no but fuck this game wasn't there a terrible silent hill movie yeah yeah there's a lot of terrible video game movies a lot a of really, really... Resident Evil! Yes. This year's the first time where it's like... Dogs Through the Window, The Lasers. It was a great movie. I want, like, if you give me... I've always said it. It was like, give me money and let me direct one thing.

Starting point is 01:24:54 My dream project would be Metal Gear Solid, Dead Space, and then probably, like, Silent Hill. If I could make three video game adaptations, those would be it. Really? Okay. They would be fucking perfect. God damn it.

Starting point is 01:25:07 I would do so good. So good. See, like, for you guys, that was what you were doing. I was playing Morrowind for more hours than I can even count at this point. Like, I have played the Elder Scrolls series so much, it's a little disgusting. And even more so, I've played, like,

Starting point is 01:25:24 the first 40 hours of those games because i'll go and i'll remod them and i'll start over and i'll mod it even more and i'll start over like right those those that's what i was doing that whole time i i was just playing rpgs trying to think of a horror RPG. I know there's some. There is. No, not really. Those don't really.

Starting point is 01:25:51 There has to be. I'm surprised. Japan has definitely been something. There's horror RPGs. I just can't think of any right now because you asked. I could probably think of some otherwise, but yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the hardest one. What are your favorite movies? If what are your top uh your your favorite movies like if you have your top three you said the thing which oh i'll agree on movies

Starting point is 01:26:09 or horror movies horror movies horror movies okay and then one and then three regular movies just because actually outside the scope of horror what is your style of movie okay all right uh so i'll i'll say for horror let's go the thing. Man, trying to think of stuff that was influential to me. Things up there. Hereditary? Hereditary is pretty high up there.

Starting point is 01:26:40 I don't know if it would be top three, but it's a fantastic film. Probably The Descent. Oh, that's it. Okay. Which indie? Oh, of of course the one where she's still in the cave absolutely yeah yeah that's how it was supposed to uh uh the one with the birthday cake where she's down in bomb that was so cool um she made it and she's back and she's back that was one of that was one of the ones that was like a deep like one of the first horror movies I watched

Starting point is 01:27:06 as a kid I was like I want to do that that's cool cool stories like that as a kid I watched it when I got back from Iraq literally I remember going to the theater with my thank you for your service so I could watch Descent as a child yeah thank you the descent producer for your service yeah um oh man what would i... There's so many.

Starting point is 01:27:47 Let's throw... What's the cinematic universe that they're building around The Witch? There's that. The what? Is it The Witch? Witch? Is it getting a cinematic universe? Yeah. There's like a series of six films that are all connected.

Starting point is 01:28:02 Robert Edgars? No, you're talking about the Annabelle and shit like that? I think maybe there's that one. There is. Oh, God. What is it? I know you're not happy about it. Do you mean The Conjuring?

Starting point is 01:28:16 Yes. I knew you were going to be. Why? Can I not say The Conjuring? Can I not say The Conjuring? Because I know more fans and I already know his true reaction the witch that was the other one

Starting point is 01:28:28 thank you his knees weak arms spaghetti palms sweaty I need to quit being mean to you on your own podcast that's disrespectful that's disrespectful I'm not going to do that I will say top three is like to do that. I will say...

Starting point is 01:28:45 Top three is like, what about the witch? I will say peacefully... Oh, the lighthouse. The lighthouse would be probably my third. Yeah, I love the lighthouse. Okay. I'm not going to talk anymore. Okay. So... What is wrong with the witch?

Starting point is 01:28:59 Who doesn't know the drama behind the witch apparently? No, no, no, no, no, no. The cinematic universe is the okay the first Conjuring film was made by James Wan he made the second one as well he's a producer on the others I don't know what his creative role is and things like Annabelle Nunn whatever

Starting point is 01:29:15 that is all of those stories are around the Warrens and Lorraine Warren who is a real couple who did Supernatural Hauntings yes supposedly there's theories around it but and Lorraine Warren, who is a real couple who did Supernatural Hauntings. Yes, yes. Supposedly, there's theories around it, but officially.

Starting point is 01:29:33 And the cinematic universe is films made by Blumhouse Entertainment, producer Blumhouse, around their doings. Annabelle, all those tie into the Warrens. Yes. The Witch is a horror movie made by Robert Ed edgers that is an an analogy for the garden of eden portrayed through a early american settler colonial type whose overt religious beliefs allows the literal devil to creep into their lives and affect them and and because of their self-righteousness they don't recognize their

Starting point is 01:30:05 own sin and transgressions so the witch really good you know uh important in my mind and something to aspire to horror movie the conjuring stupid cash grab okay okay i mixed yeah yeah i i really don't mean to be it's totally it's totally fine to get it mixed up really don't mean to be mean. It's totally fine to get it mixed up. I didn't mean to be so harsh. It was just the fact of like, yeah, the witch is part of a cinematic universe. I'm like, what? And you're like, yeah, Annabelle. He said Annabelle. I didn't know what you were talking about.

Starting point is 01:30:36 I was like, I didn't know what Ben was talking about. No point in blaming Gath like me. You already tried that. No, I've got it. Slip of the tongue. what do you want with me you're a db so you're actually we'll let you finish the next three moves in the last one but it's like you okay you're man you're you deep dive in like directors and stuff i love film okay go the i love every time we get like

Starting point is 01:31:00 i love i love because you know that's something i want to do like uh we did we did the stalker film right i co-wrote that uh like that's something i want to do more of like telling stories in in that scale in in the theater of the of the theater of film so that's where i come from oh okay interesting i didn't know that rocket jump corridor digital i came from like oh okay gotcha gotcha that working with those dudes and yeah learning the craft through that and then storytelling that's my favorite fucking thing you get your camera hey here lighting setting it up yeah yeah like very nice stories this is how we do beats this is how the character is going to progress like that is my absolute i dig that i dig

Starting point is 01:31:39 that that that's that's my valley too that's my alley i'm loud and kind of entertaining sometimes i love you you're great i really i really do want to say i want to say i am hyping it up a little bit for the camera of course but i'm like baddie yeah baddie's a very kind guy very nice to bite me on i no one give him flack for it except for the horror game comment give him a lot though okay all right fair enough fair enough bear um okay okay so yeah so for three normal films uh i would say my top three are no country for old men okay very good one of the uh yeah go the truman show interesting okay and The Truman Show. Interesting. Okay. And I always have these lined up. Oh, Brother, where are they? Oh, I fucking knew. Yeah, the Odysseus.

Starting point is 01:32:34 The Odysseus. Yep, yep. Told through like the American Dust Bowl. In constant sorrow. All through his name. I am Appalachian we none of us can sing but we all do we all try the lord said make a joyful noise not a good one but it's so oh interesting choices so are yours based off of the story the like for old country with no man i love all the

Starting point is 01:33:05 different stories that are going on and the different characters you get with it and they like the portraying a psychopath one of the best characters anton sugar yeah and dude he has it's always crazy i always forget he's not a white dude with uh just a white accent because when you talk he's very thick i need you to step up but when he have you heard him talk oh yes yeah yeah his his voice uh what's his name and uh something bourdain yeah yeah yeah like uh south american or something yeah yeah he's just you're like oh he's a mexican almost like i just hear that i'm like yeah what the fuck because it is it's like what's the most you've ever lost in the coin flip is the most true jesus that will see this i don't understand the question what is his name he was so he's such a wonderful fucking actor i want to

Starting point is 01:33:55 say is it anthony bourdain i don't know if his first name is anthony feels wrong um but is it was it so is it the stories because i have like top three i'm huge in the movie but like huge you tarantino like just finished i've read the audiobook and then like that it's like the directors and how they sell uh glorious bastards would be top of your bottom oh yeah yeah yeah you guys just waited them i just anthony born right yeah here's the name anthony right that's anthony yeah he looks like he looks like an Anthony. He looks like an Anthony. That filler's definitely Italian. Christopher Nolan.

Starting point is 01:34:29 Christopher Nolan on how he does Edgar Wright for his editing style and his comedic beats and his transitions. And then you get... Who does... Fuck, he did Sherlock's movies. The ones with Robert Downey Jr. yeah

Starting point is 01:34:46 why is it drawing a blank it wasn't Guy Ritchie oh Guy Ritchie did those and Guy Ritchie has a very particular style on how he does it's breaking down transitions or hey this I need to tell the story on how to open a safe

Starting point is 01:35:04 or have this action done and each one has a different reason behind it that's why it's like uh but your choices are really solid so you like more long slow burn so the reason i say that those are like my three favorite is because there's so many elements of a film right there's so many parts that come together like like they're like it's the reason i love film so much is because up until cinema history like all of our arts or history were a medium right like paintings a visual yeah music an audio an audible uh experiences and you know art maybe like a garden like you know that's an artwork as it's put together like an experience you walk through film is everything it is it is all of them in one it is storytelling it is visuals it is audio it is it is an entirely curated experience so my the

Starting point is 01:35:55 reason i call those my top three films is because i would say those three films perfectly as much as perfect can be perfectly set out what they wanted to do. Like there's some stories that I'd be, there's some films I'd be like, the visuals, believe me. Like for example, 1917, right? Oh man, yeah. For one, anything Roger Deakins shoots is gorgeous.

Starting point is 01:36:19 Probably the best cinematographer working today. Not possible. He is the best cinematographer working today. I agree. He's just so much great so and like a lot of the stuff he shoots right so uh lf mini alexa mini is how they shot that they were doing each shot and then you know when the breaks are because it's continued one take and they purposely did it and then even laying out the trenches or any of these things it was blocking for three to six months to get the shot right and then they

Starting point is 01:36:46 so it was a lot of work that went in of course of course absolutely of it even when it's like when they're tracking on uh the river scene when it's the night the flares are going oh yeah they built that on a miniature i don't know if you've seen that so when that entire like running the flares are going up to show in that night scene. And they're like, ah, we're getting shot at. That was all done on a miniature set with a light to portray the moon and also flare. So they had these little things. Like,

Starting point is 01:37:13 yeah, on a, on a mini set. And they're like, okay, this is how we get the lighting here and here. This is how we, that's crazy.

Starting point is 01:37:19 I didn't know that. It's fucking crazy. When you break it down. I was like, and that's cinema. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. when you break it down. I was like, that's incredible. And that's cinema. Yeah, it's a film. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous.

Starting point is 01:37:28 That many people, hundreds of people coming together to make that shot happen. For what? For what? 90% of the audience is going to see as 30 seconds of film. But it was orchestra when it was being made. Incredible. Anyway, anyway.

Starting point is 01:37:42 Your mind is going to be blown. 1917 is a one take. Most people didn't even recognize there was no cut in that film. I feel like that was part of the appeal to the movie. It is. It is. So people would pay attention.

Starting point is 01:37:55 It's like, wow, this is all one thing. And a lot of general audience may be like, that felt like it flowed together. I'm sure most of them didn't think, wow, the camera didn't do the cut thing it does a lot yeah like in star wars every 30 seconds dialogue dialogue dialogue yes absolutely cut cut it's crazy it's crazy how how hard shot reverse shot yeah exactly constant and stuff it's like oh he's talking he's talking and they rotate. Okay, now let's rotate

Starting point is 01:38:26 between these two shoulders in order to indicate who they're talking to. Yep, yep. Now let's see this. Anyway, so like 1917, right? One of the best visual pieces I've ever seen.

Starting point is 01:38:38 Yeah. Narratively, it's a good story, but it's not like, wow, the story of him doing that. The bravado was shown through the visuals. That was impressive. But I don't remember that kid's name. I don't remember what the legend was.

Starting point is 01:38:53 It was a visual masterpiece. I wouldn't call it a story masterpiece. It wasn't complete. It had all the elements, but it had some very well. It did something incredible. And the other stuff was good. That's okay, though.opher nolan for example right a lot of no i'm not dissing nolan at all most of nolan's films are like some of the coolest concepts i've ever heard inception right interstellar

Starting point is 01:39:16 incredible movies and he has these insane character moments like the scene in interstellar where he sees his daughter yeah what a what a moment right uh and like an inception with his wife who's hanging on the hotel back balconies moments of genius come off yeah there's these moments however a lot of the characters in those films are vehicles for the plot anyway like he like christopher nolan has moments but i wouldn't call him an incredible character writer he's not incredible yes he is an incredible set writer right and then tarantino right so many of tarantino's films still have these he he builds characters he builds dialogue and then the reason his movies are so fun is

Starting point is 01:39:55 because you see these great characters bounce off of each other in these scenes now now tarantino's a great cinematographer but he's not 1917, right? Because that just isn't his gambit. That's not his wheelhouse. Yeah. A lot of the stuff actually. Yes, a lot of the stuff actually is like homages to old 80s pulp fiction,

Starting point is 01:40:15 like the quick zooms and the tight shots and stuff. Like it's love letters. Well, it goes back even, so it's black exploitation films. Black exploitation films. Yeah, that's where he's, that's where a lot of his comes from. And he admits it. He's like, hey, James Dean, all these individuals,

Starting point is 01:40:31 that's where I incorporate in this. This is, I think I told this some other time recently, was even for Reservoir Dogs. He is one of the few directors, you have Christopher Nolan, they have, Hans Zimmer will build the fucking audio soundtrack for their movies yes tarantino the only time he ever did that the only time never did it before hey boy did you know that i did not know that well uh no jango this is a jango okay okay and he hired the original guy that did music for the old country like The good the bad ugly yeah composer he hired him for that he had never ever

Starting point is 01:41:14 Composed his own shit and tell that so his entire music budget for Reservoir Reservoir Dogs one scene was the song Betty stuck in the Middle of You. I don't know. When he cuts off the guys. Yeah. That was all the music budget. That's the budget. I want a song. Yeah, that's great. That's great.

Starting point is 01:41:32 You realize you just want that one song. He's like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yep, that's it. And he spent it on that. And now every other time, Kill Bill, all these are music you've already heard. You know. He just buys the rights, really.

Starting point is 01:41:45 Never composed until that movie. And're like that's what the fuck how did i not notice that until i exactly until then right yeah right yeah it's like yeah so you got you got elements like that it's incredible uh but the reason that i say those three films are like my three favorite films is because when i watch them i'm, there was a vision, there was an idea, and every element of this project perfectly is in one direction. I'm going to agree with that on The Truman Show. The Truman Show wanted to be about the concept of someone literally trapped in this bubble, everyone watching and no one watching out.

Starting point is 01:42:20 And even the cinematography feels that way. It's tight, it's cramped. It follows him everywhere. And we observe things as Truman does. And we start to see him unravel. And like he becomes like this helpless child who we want to see break free. And then at the end of the story, when the boat hits the painting, one of my favorite moments in movies ever. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:42:42 The shot of him seeing the staircase like the the escape from the the method the the system that he's been a part of yeah good afternoon good evening and good night it's so good it's it is a perfect callback in that moment it's like that was the bow the entire film perfectly did what it wanted to do yeah and like it is it is it scary is it the best cinema i've ever seen is it the best writing or acting no but every part of it was one it was cohesive in a way few projects are like honestly when i watch something like 1917 again beautiful film but when i watch it it almost calls attention to me like i don't remember the character's name right like one of the most grandiose beautifully done films ever.

Starting point is 01:43:26 And I character name. Yeah. Like what? What was who did that? What? Oh, he ran there to get the message. Okay, that's cool. And you have like Terminator 2.

Starting point is 01:43:32 Exactly. Everything in Terminator. Exactly. I know Terminator 2. Every. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:38 Right. Character. Everything has a reason. Cinematography. You cannot think of an element of that film, Truman Show, without thinking of every other element, too. They are all one. You cannot think of Truman Show without thinking of Truman,

Starting point is 01:43:51 without thinking of the camera, without thinking of the music, plot, characters. They're all tangential to each other. They're all one. I want to see how... Okay. Oh, please. Let's see. How do you like this movie?

Starting point is 01:44:02 It's one of my faves. It's one of my top ten. I always... Now, is it perfect? Fuck no. It's just a good-ass movie. let's see how do you like this movie it's one of my faves it's one of my top 10 i always go now is it like perfect fuck no it's just a good ass movie okay and uh live die repeat edge of tomorrow i need to pee really bad go i have to piss i I got to do the same, actually. All right. Anyway, the reason that I want to stop this,

Starting point is 01:44:30 because that's a good question, and I want to elaborate on it. We're still recording, right? Yeah, it's all good. All right, cool. So, I also thought it'd be fun. I need to pee. So, Live, Die, Repeat, I think, is a fantastic film film i think it's criminally underrated

Starting point is 01:44:46 it doesn't get the attention it deserves uh by far my one to me the one when i watched it the one thing that stood out my mind is and this was probably studio meddling if i had to guess i wish the film let itself be more weird i wish because it's it is a it's a it's an out there concept right like a groundhog day in alien warfare right yeah and like that's fun and the beginning of the movie it has a lot of those like not comedic but extravagant elements right like the guys in the mech suits dropping onto the beach and stuff it's cool i'm like yeah i'm here for it and then in the like the second act of the film with him just dying over and over that's great the comedic beats with him yes yeah

Starting point is 01:45:34 oh no i'm fine i can't oh no my legs i just need a moment give me a break like that that's that's fantastic right and? And like seeing the weight in his eyes, he's like, I've done this a thousand times. Like you don't understand. Great film. I feel like in the third act, they kind of said, and now we will make it a Tom Cruise action film.

Starting point is 01:46:01 Ooh, okay. No, I see that. Like, especially after he loses the power it's kind of like a team of elite agents go into a building to shoot a thing to destroy it to save humanity and it's like the weight of the repercussion that's always why i said i was like homeboy just did this where he had a reset button and all of a sudden it's like okay now your new game plus hard mode one shot and yep okay we got to do the most crazy thing i've done to this point yep to survive and you're like but why yeah fuck okay what am i gonna do on this one like this sucks now and isn't it like like if i recall correctly at the end he's not only back at the beginning of

Starting point is 01:46:48 the day but like he has his job back and everything it's like it's on reset it reset before he even landed on the planet yeah he was yeah he wakes up yeah right was that soft uh it was because he killed the omega or the alpha which was the omega what i don't remember what they were called oh he was why he got his power the omega is the god of it and he killed that and that's where and then it went into him and then it reset right right yeah like so like when i did that i was like that's it there was a part of me that was like okay and i'm fine with you know happy endings where everyone wins but i'm like it gave him his job back too i'm like there there's a lot of like really cool coincidences happening for this dude back to being sold yeah exactly it's like and done scene like

Starting point is 01:47:41 it's all over but like i love the film through the first and second act and then the third act i was just like they shoot they go to the big blue thing and then they shoot it and it blows up and everything goes back to normal i was like god be weird the end in a weird way i don't know what but be strange let yourself be strange well it's like leading up to even when it was just them two trying to get um when she dies at the helicopter and that lead up of how many times they've been there. Yes. Like that's where you're like deeply involved.

Starting point is 01:48:07 You're like, oh man, he has this emotional attachment. It's why I like ReZero. If you've never watched ReZero, the anime, it is the implication of that. Hey, this is Groundhog's Day. He wakes up. He's like, oh, I'm in this new crazy world. I met a girl.

Starting point is 01:48:21 Oh my God. And then he gets murdered and the girl gets murdered in front of him and he feels all that pain and he wakes up felt everything died and he's like what the fuck just happened that was like yeah uh and then it goes like he lives for a couple days this time then he dies and the same but he dies horribly and then it's like and then fast forward to he has checkpoints in it when you hit certain one but everything's locked in but then it's like and then fast forward to he has checkpoints in it when you hit certain one but everything's locked in but then it's the weight of watching your loved one die over and

Starting point is 01:48:50 over not being able to fix it so the anime really goes in deep depth on that and you get to see him break like he has a mental snap at one point where he's like what do i do everyone dies everyone it's a fun concept to play with oh yeah this almost immortality but while still being constrained to mortal consequences right yeah it's a cool idea and like i love that live dive repeat did that but like i said i just wish it i wish it stayed itself through the end like at the end i was like okay it did kind of have your typical action hero survive we all did it. Woo, high five. Yeah, yeah, woo.

Starting point is 01:49:26 Everything. We saved the day. Thanks, kids. I'm Tom Cruise. Yeah. If he faces the camera, go see Mission Impossible 6 in theaters. Well, it's like Quiet Place, I think, was fucking, like, it's adding a, hey, how do we do this horror? Hey, let's make it where sound is the thing.

Starting point is 01:49:48 So you have, like, this music, and it starts brute. I love how Quiet Place starts. You're like, okay. They just murdered the child. The child just gets straight murdered, and you're like, oh, this is really good at setting a tone. The creatures are fucking cool as shit. Yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, this is a fun movie.

Starting point is 01:50:03 Number two? I didn't watch the second one. It's okay. After I watched the first one, I was like, I'm good. It ended in a place where it's like the story's over for me. I don't need it to go on. There's a lot of

Starting point is 01:50:19 media like that. I finished something and I'm like, yeah, that was fine. I'm good where it was we'll close that chapter yeah exactly like please keep it close yeah and scene right yeah yeah um unlike but back on like uh the three movies said the best to me uh so truman show right oh brother where are thou you want to convey the story of like the odyssey with a bunch of poor escaped convicts in 1930s america you make it as dusty as southern as grimy and as drawl as possible and every second of that movie was like i was in another world it's it's like from and it's so that's what i love about it like you are in

Starting point is 01:51:01 the way where the director takes you where the crew takes you as you watch these scenes and you hear the sounds and see the set and stuff there's never a moment i watch oh brother where art thou and i'm like i'm watching a film it's like this is like a portal almost it's supernatural i how well that i need to go back and watch the end i have i probably haven't watched it in 15 years it's it's like i remember as a kid i watched it with my father i can't i can't even tell you how many times oh yeah well i i grew up in tennessee that was the film that was the movie yeah that was the movie yeah christmas story in that yeah that's the two shows we got on cable you're gonna watch them yeah yeah um but like the song like i know i know the whole soundtrack because it was just it was iconic

Starting point is 01:51:46 especially around where i lived um yeah like it's just it does such a there is no element of that movie that's bad like a film like that would not benefit from the the cinematography of 1917 roger deepens right yeah actually he may have shot that because it was a coen brothers movie but if he did actually that further proves that he knew what he was doing yeah he knew it didn't require like there's these grandiose shots of like you know cornfields and like to set the tone yeah but most of it is exactly what it needs to be it's personal it's direct and it's funny a lot of the camera work and the you know the action designs are funny i quote that movie all the time was you fail us from the bank my daddy told me shoot anyone from the bank it's a hilarious film uh they done loved up pete turned to mind

Starting point is 01:52:36 the siren scene was so well done i love that scene where they're the they're in the diner or the restaurant and uh delmar's like well everett what are we gonna do about pete they done took him and he's like see delmar i left pete was uh about to fornicate those strange women and we can't have that in our company and everett loudly yells well we was fixing the fornicate too all day long when they when they figure out that like there's no treasure in there in that fight and pete's like another 50 years when When I get out, I'll be 84. And Del Mar goes, well, shoot, I'll only be 82. It's great.

Starting point is 01:53:34 It is. Truly, yeah. Every part of it, it's the same as the Truman Show. You cannot think of one element of that movie without thinking of another element of that movie, right? It's cinema. It's a story told directly and absolute uh but my favorite movie of all time is no country for old men uh that that that that is my film that's honestly if i had to give one piece of media the reason for my desire to tell stories it would be that one yeah that that was my

Starting point is 01:54:07 inspiration like that film in itself because when i was uh younger like i remember i was maybe 11 or 12 right uh my dad and i watched it for the first time because we're like oh yeah cool guy like we said we saw shots like he's got a shotgun and a suppressor and he's going in the rooms and as a kid i thought it was boring right because i was 11 and i'm like oh that was a really cool scene with him with the gun and that other scene with the gun and then there's a lot of talking so much time and i and i thought that i was like you know i for me it was an adult movie like there's a lot of talking. I wasn't really interested. I want more action, right?

Starting point is 01:54:48 But I remember being a kid, and there's that last scene with Tommy Lee Jones playing Sheriff Bell. Yep. Where he's talking to his wife about the dream he had. He mentions the dream of his father in the snow. And I remember being 11 years old, and I saw that scene, and I thought,

Starting point is 01:55:04 there is something going on here that I'm I don't get yet I'm not supposed to get it yet but I told myself I'm like one day I'm coming back to this I'm putting a pin in this one day I'll remember and then I grew up uh and I I like I remember the movie and I heard people be like oh it's such a great film we had a uh my junior English teacher Mr. Lockhart thank you very much for being a great you know english teacher one of the books we read in class was the road uh oh god i'm sorry yeah the movies though dark the dark movie yeah yeah the one i always say i know it yeah i always tell people like you want a great movie to watch and then yourself watch the road no happy ending period the book well all right all right

Starting point is 01:55:49 yes yes yes it is a very depressing one yeah the road is one of my favorite novels of all time as a matter of fact beautiful this is a slight tangent my next youtube video uh is about another one of his books another one of core members bloodidian. I haven't read that one. Oh, my God. It will come back. Anyway. We have to get food after this. We're just going to sit down and nerd out. Yes. Okay. So after we read The Road in class, my junior English class.

Starting point is 01:56:19 Jesus. And I remember when our teacher went into it, he's like, there's a lot of heavy themes in here. It's a lot. But I think there's a lot of heavy themes in here. It's a lot, but I think it, there's a lot, a couple, a lot. But he's like,

Starting point is 01:56:30 I think, I think it's a story that matters. And I remember this is, you know, like there's these moments in your mind, like moments in your past where you're just like, you see every element. You remember what the room smelled like.

Starting point is 01:56:43 Yeah. Absolutely. I remember him standing at the front of the class in room G15 on the first floor of my high school on a Tuesday. I remember him standing there in front of us and he was holding the book open and he had a son.

Starting point is 01:56:58 His son was a year younger than me. We all knew him. It was a small high school. We all hung out with each other. His son's name was Nick. And he's reading from the beginning chapter talking to us about like why why the themes of the book are important and he said i haven't taught this book yeah uh since i had nick he had been an english teacher for years and years okay uh he's like i so he hasn't taught it since he had a son and the primary crux of that story is a father and a son right that's what the story is about and he was re i

Starting point is 01:57:30 he was reading the opening uh in the first chapter and he got to the part where it said despite the sin the cursedness of the world the father looks to his son as if his son were not the voice of god and god never spoke and as he read that he started crying and man like i remember watching that and being like this story means something to that guy yeah like what what like the first night you know we get the book it's like a book i'm not going to read for homework because of course you're high school i don't care but when i saw him cry up there i'm like i'm gonna read this right i went home that night and read the entire book we were supposed to read like a chapter or not yeah you just power through it read the whole thing through in one

Starting point is 01:58:13 night i i cried i it destroyed me the ending of that book where the boy walks up to the men and says are you carrying the fire yep it's like the most because all the boys known to that point was the fire it's like why are you carrying it and he looked the man looks back at his family behind him and says yeah i think we're carrying the fire storytelling anyway so yeah yeah so like so i love cormac McCarthy. He's such a great author. I love the book of his I'm reading right now. But anyway, so I read The Road. And after we read it, so the film No Country for Old Men was written by Cormac McCarthy.

Starting point is 01:58:57 It was originally a book he did. It was adapted to film by the Coen brothers. So it is my favorite author and my favorite directors. It's just match made in heaven uh and the after we got done with the book our english teacher showed us uh no country for a scene from no country for all men i hadn't seen it i was like 11 or 12 and he shows us the coin flip scene he's talking about how you can pull tension in the story he's talking about like how you don't need flashes and stuff just a conversation could be enough so he shows us that scene uh and when he shows us that scene i was like i remember this film i watched it with my dad when

Starting point is 01:59:32 i was younger and i sat there and i watched that coin flip scene and was like and this is a completely different this is a different film yeah because that was a conversation when i was a kid but i watch it now and i'm like, man, the tension of that. I'm like, I need to remember that. And I didn't watch it then. I didn't watch it for a while until I was in college. I was in college. I was in my second year.

Starting point is 01:59:55 And I was thinking, I started to have the realization about myself of like, I don't like where I'm at. I kind of talked about this at the beginning of the podcast i was like i you know it's like yeah you know you got to work to live right so i'm down for that but i want to enjoy something too like obviously you know i left my family my family and stuff but i want to make something i need to make something and i was like but what do i what do i want to do what is my passion and then i remember i was sitting at my house in my room and i was like but what do i what do i want to do what is my passion and then i remember i was sitting at my house in my room and i was flipping through netflix and there was no country for me

Starting point is 02:00:30 i'm like i've been meaning to watch that so i turn on that film it was like watching for the first time like i had never seen a second of it before every conversation every scene it bled into me like the the the coin flip scene and the scene with the scene where the sheriff goes to his brother can't stop what's coming ain't all waiting on you that's vanity work and i was like what what a monument and then come back to that scene of sheriff bell explaining to his wife the dream he had of his father yep i had not thought about the road probably since junior year of high school right three years i had i'd thought about that forever but in the back of my head i remembered are you carrying the fire i i just thought about that all the time watching that scene i'm sitting on that couch and sheriff

Starting point is 02:01:25 bell says i saw my father he was out in the fog he was in the he was in the dark the thick the snow of the world i couldn't see him in his hand he was carrying a fire the moment man i'm about to tear up the moment i heard that yeah it was like it was like a revelation it's like that's what this film's about it's not it's not a movie about things are awful then you die yeah it's a movie about things are awful and some people keep going yep like as as horrific as the world is there were even in the, no country for old men. There were no good men. There were no people who were able to stand up against the world.

Starting point is 02:02:10 There were good guys, but none of them won. They died, right? They suffered. They lost. It was about heartbreak. It was about turmoil. But there doesn't need to be. Because of the stories he had, the film opens with sheriff bell narrating and saying my daddy was

Starting point is 02:02:26 sheriff of this county for years didn't even carry a gun didn't need to the world was so much better back then everything was great i wish i could be like back then that's not that's not where the stories come from they don't come from some perfect world some country for old men right yeah somewhere where everything's peaceful and sets quietly it comes from men who were able to stand up and do something when the world was harsh when it was terrible yeah and it ends with him telling his wife i saw my dad and he was carrying the fire i want i that movie ended it for the first time that scene meant something to me and i remember sitting there in my room and thinking i need to do that i have to tell stories whatever capacity youtube movies writing i don't care i that i have to tell something i have to and i decided to start a youtube channel fucking dope as shit my man and i'm here hell yeah and that is a wonderful place to end it

Starting point is 02:03:23 thank you for watching the episode. Thank you for watching the episode. Man, I did not mean to go that hard. No, you did. Ended that one absolutely. As always, Eli, myself, Batty, and our wonderful guest, please, where can everybody find you? Right here on YouTube, at Wendigoon. Just like the Wendigo and Goon,

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