Unsubscribe Podcast - 137 - The Most Dangerous Cryptid Ever ft. Wendigoon

Episode Date: December 22, 2023

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He gave Brandon Kraus. What I have done cannot be undone. Well, listen here, f***. Cody, take your pants off. Hey, what the f***? You're not getting these back. Do not say or harass anyone. Rob's not violent.

You do what you like. Has his f***ing mic been off the whole time? Brandon Herrera and I approve this message. Where's your playlist taking you? Down the highway? To the mountains? Or just into daydream mode while you're stuck in traffic with over 4 000 hotels worldwide best western is there to help you make the most of your getaway

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I'm burned out right now just drinking. Cody, kick us off. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Everyone grab one to pop it. Here, you can just pop it. I'll just pop it. Yeah, yeah, I'll pass it off. Yeah, yeah, cool, cool.

Christian Boy personas already kicked in. Christian Boy. Yeah, my fingers are burning. One, two, three, three. Woo! Oh, yeah, we'll do an actual. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast.

We're joined today by Eli DoubleFab, Brandon Herrera, Mr. Fat Electrician, and the best fucking person ever. Sorry, I said the F word. Mr. Wendigoon. We feel cut when he's around. He just does that thing. That's how much F word you said. I know, but you apologized for the first time.'re like i'm so sorry that's how much we respect you that's weird because of all the racial slurs we said earlier

that you all said that's not how I remember it, extremist. Oh, no. Thank you. 30 seconds in already. And now you're canceled. So what's that on the table?

Sorry, motherfucker, I'm running for Congress. We'll put we're in this together, don't worry. We both go down with this shift. He's that perfect half right now. It's like the brown side, the white side, and you're like right in the middle.

We're like a fucking podcast equivalent of a paint swatch. Racist. They're fine over there. We can say whatever. We can pass. This is a cop meme. Should I pull my gun?

Death sentence to misdemeanor. Hi, everybody. Hello. Thank you, boys, so much for having me on. Last time on was fantastic. And everyone here is... Was that a high five? I know.

There we go. I see him with the hand. I was like, oh, God. Everyone here is a friend of mine, so it's great. I see him with the hand. I was like, oh, God. Everyone here is a friend of mine, so it's great to just sit down with the boys. I appreciate it. Thank you all very much. Dude, you've been crushing life. You have started how many podcasts now?

Like, you have a few going, which is ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. I got two that I started. I started one with Hunter, also a friend of the channel, Meat Canyon. Very cool. Creepcast going great. And I've got another one. I started with jackson

clark and charlie moist critical penguins whatever you want to call them that one's also going great yeah yeah you probably haven't heard of them before yeah they're i'm really trying to help them out you know yeah your podcasts are starting at like the pinnacle you're like oh you only have like 10 mil you want to get something started maybe yeah well yeah i shot charlie d i mean i was like i'll help you out you know we'll we'll get somewhere together but no well good good to try to like kick this off at 300 000 views on our first episode yeah very blessed very blessed to be where i am uh and i really do appreciate both of those guys because like when before i started youtube they were both like guys i looked up to along with the people at this table um they were both like people who i like aspire to be like and now to be at the point where they're like hey we should do a show together it's

really cool to see it's awesome here you were looking i was gonna make that joke you know i was thinking to myself how long until you bring it up but go for it go ahead sure well the last uh the last video at time of recording that you you up, your second cryptid tier list, you had said something in the beginning. You were actually kind of mansplaining to your audience. How a tier list works. Yeah, tier list. Hey, look, B tier means it's above C.

C is average. B means I kind of like it. And I'm watching this in the shower in the morning to get ready, and I'm like, I'm like a tear running down my cheek. I'm like, B tier means a tear running down my cheek. I'm like, B-T-R means he likes me. Kinda. But, but on that same note. Not as much as Mike Jones.

On my live stream the other day, when I was ranking all my own videos, the video I put of just me reacting to you from early on in the channel, I put it at F. I put it at F too. And then what was the thumbnail though for it? It was me put it at F, too. What was the thumbnail, though, for? It was me. It was like my head photoshopped onto your body. It's so weird. I think it was your head photoshopped onto my thumbnail.

It was. I stole your whole flow. He just dragged it down there. Wait a minute. That looks good. That's fine. Who's this Metal Gear Solid shithead fucking? It's really funny because I made that video when I had maybe 80, 100 subscribers or something like that. Because in my head it's like, yeah, I'm just a guy and these are like the untouchable, like, you know, the famous YouTubers.

And it's really weird to be like, what's my reasoning for this? Like, I have to explain myself. And I watched it when it came out because you had tagged me in it do you i think i don't think i've ever asked you about this but it's good material for a podcast i suppose do you remember the just around that same time you got brigaded with like crab memes for a while. Crab emojis, crab emojis, I mean, in like your comment section. Do you remember this at all?

Was this over the crab god thing? This was, okay, you remember that old meme of like the dancing crab? Like whenever someone would die. Oh, that's not an old meme. That's still, that's very relevant. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like dancing crabs or whatever.

The crab rave. The crab rave. The crab rave, yeah. So whenever. He gave Bram and crabs. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get at. This is now lore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the crab rave thing, whenever someone dies, everyone comments like crab emojis when they're excited for it or whatever. Most recently, Henry Kissinger, I think.

So there was a guy. This was back when I had the Wendigoon instagram page where i was just like i would just post short stories stuff like that right so i was posting short stories and for each one of them i was using like copyrighted music to like make it look cool because at the time i was just doing it for fun i didn't care what happened eventually i did it enough my instagram account got taken down it got taken down like the day after I made the reaction to your thing, right? So for a few hours. Well, people assume that I took.

People assume that you took down my Instagram page. I remember this. Yes. And I talked to you about it. And you talked to me about it. I had never spoken to him before. You just reached out. You're like, bro, that was not me.

I swear to God. Dude, oh my God. You just unlocked a memory you're like, bro, that was not me. I swear to God. Dude, oh my God. You just unlocked a memory. I did not associate that was you. I was just like, hey bro, I just want to let you know I had nothing to do with that. I seriously didn't take down your Instagram page because you made a video making fun of me.

Thank you so much. That's what you messaged me. There was a guy who followed me. I didn't know you were that petty though. He was posting like crazy, like Brandon Herrera's trying to take down Wendigo, which is really funny in hindsight. And then I DM him. I'm like, bro, that's not what happened. And all he sent back was a message that said, what I have done cannot be undone. Dude, I was wondering.

Okay, so you were unlocking shit in my brain I fucking had thrown out a long time ago. I was on a road trip when that happened. Yep, you texted me, you're like, hey,

sorry, I'm on a road trip right now. I don't know who you are. I did not delete your Instagram. Because, well, that's as random as it gets. I don't know you,

but I do it. Well, within context, you probably had maybe a few hundred, maybe like a thousand or something like that. it was, yeah.

But I was just like reaching out, I'm like, hey dude, I'm just letting you know, i that was not me yeah i'm like i had nothing to do with this whatever i did not put two and two together that was now the only youtuber i watch when i'm eating food alone um so depressing when you say that jesus christ and it's really funny because at the time when you did that in my head i'm like hi brandon you're like play it cool just leave them on red you deleted my two hours later thanks bro i don't like that damn i gotta make him think i'm busy i'm gonna wait 30 seconds

sorry swapped with work yeah fucking hell dude that yeah that's yeah but now we're here now where we are we're all the worse for it yeah exactly so what what podcast are you most excited dude listening to you and i'm super excited for papa meat and your shit like that first video coming out the gate just swinging thank you that is an internet classic with the stairs yes and if you haven't read it like have you any of you read that um creepy pasta i didn't read it but i watched the podcast i can't read thank you sorry okay which one i knew that the stairs i haven't seen the stairs in the woods when i would you gotta watch this thing man it's it's actually pretty good okay are you familiar with like the concept

of the stairs in the woods like the horror stories around it not really i i i've seen it in passing i i i'm not familiar with the lore though creepy as fuck you're gonna be do a way better job it is because when you read it

especially at that time No Sleep was that weird in between now No Sleep is just fake shit it's mainstream r slash No Sleep

the reddit yeah yeah yeah the subreddit at that time 2010, 2011, 2012 that shit was like you're like this is a real story

and they base it off it feels like a very authentic story of how it's told yeah like well one of the uh one of the rules of no sleep is that however whatever format the writer chooses it has to make sense why the story ended up on the subreddit so most of them they'll have someone at the beginning like hey i'm coming to the subreddit to post a weird thing that happened to me, and they launch into it. It's also the reason a lot of them end really poorly, where they're like, if anyone finds this message, please upload it to r slash no sleep. And it doesn't make any sense. Terrible. But some of the good ones can incorporate as like someone who's trying to figure out what's going on, asking for help, etc. So basically, the concept the Stairs in the Woods comes from, I believe the username

on Reddit is user slash search and rescue woods, who I've since spoken to. She's a very cool author, very cool person. But basically the concept behind the Stairs in the Woods is if you spend a lot of time around like the lore, the horror stories of the forest, like i'm from appalachia so that's what i'm familiar with but it applies to the rocky mountains where have you there's people who have lived in there for a long time who even if they don't expressly believe in the supernatural or things that go bump in the night there's typically some level of the unexplained that they've come across right ask anyone who's you know grown up in the mountains and they have some story of a noise that didn't

sound quite right something they ran into speaking of noises real quick can I swap out your chair with one of these is not squeaking it was doing the same thing to me while we're doing a brief interview, it reminds me of an SF guy that I knew growing up. Thank you. He used to do all sorts of night vision, thermal shit in Appalachia, just in the mountains of North Carolina.

And we said, hey, we're thinking about getting some night vision like we just want to see what's in the woods up in up in the mountains yeah smokies and he's just like no you don't and then he walked away what the fuck does that mean would you like to explain no okay there's weird stuff everyone's got stories everyone's got just like things happen to him the ones that i remember as a kid, and one of the reasons the stairs in the woods resonate so much with me, is kind of like structures you come across that don't make sense. Like, for example, a lot of the area in Appalachia has got like...

Thank you, Eli. Who would have thought? I spy something green. A lot of the regions in Appalachia, like there were old homestead... Go ahead. I'm kidding. I'm just playing. Like old homesteader settlements and stuff like that. So like it was houses made out of wood,

but they had like a rock chimney. So the evidence of the house would be completely gone. You're walking through the woods and there's just a giant chimney so the evidence of the house would be completely gone you're walking through the woods and there's just a giant chimney in the middle of the forest yeah stuff like that will happen i remember coming across a door at a park when i was a kid just a door set up in the middle of the woods just no other evidence of a structure around it just weird stuff like that it's the old country downages and everything yeah like it was on a frame just setting up i distinctly remember like the uh uh deteriorator, but you could tell it used to be like a gold knob on it, just little boys. I grew up in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

Thank you. That's Monsters, Inc. Mike Wazowski. No, no, no, no, no. I grew up in Fayetteville, North Carolina. That was just like evidence of a crack house that burned down. That too, North Carolina. That was just like evidence of a crack house that burned down. That too. That too.

What is creepy when you're in like, Indiana is a good example out in the cornfields, but when you drive way out there with like the Amish, you will find just straight up old, like chimneys at that point, because there was like 100, 200 years old. So you're like, what the fuck is this doing out in the woods? So it was just the strongest structure to survive.

Pretty much. Pretty much. Yeah. So they had like good had they had like and then you just say ghost and they had some herreras out there building those things the brick is done oh okay and then it's over they had the white people build the parts that didn't last he's got you there but like in the stairs the whole story around it uh the title is i'm a search and rescue officer just describing weird stuff they've come across um and a lot of them are like not related to the stairs in the woods but the takeaway everyone remembers from that story is the writer mentioned, sometimes you'll be out in the woods, like when you're far off from the trails, like 10, 15 miles out, you'll just come across a set of stairs in the woods. Sometimes they're small stone. Sometimes they look like they belong in a house. There's stories of opulent

ones you'll find out there. They don't make any sense, but everyone knows to stay away. And that's one of the main premises that lays the groundwork for the story. So everyone, and I think one of the reasons the story was so successful is because people saw that, and a lot of people like me were like, that's weirdly familiar. That's like nostalgic almost. I remember something kind of similar to that. So the story has a lot of other elements, a lot of other horror elements, but the stairs in the woods is the part that most people remember. I'm not a huge fan of the other horror elements they built into it, but like the stairs in the woods just as a theme was weirdly familiar because I think it's something that's just like it's so specific. And everybody just kind of remembers.

Even if you don't remember specifically, you know that you're like, okay, I feel like I've seen that somewhere. Yeah, you can almost picture it like it's a memory of sorts like yeah yeah that's happened what's that called it's almost like the uncanny valley but for stairs yeah yeah it's it's like there's something in your mind that's like i know that it's not right but it's still there it's even it's not supposed to make sense it's there and the first couple of chapters what's really cool is they there wasn't much paranormal activity attached to it it's just like don't walk up the fucking stairs we don't know what happens hey just stare stay away from it that's how they just build the entire story and it's a few chapters before it gets like to that you watched it recently too huh no this is based

off of when i read it really i haven't seen this thing oh no shit i read it back back in the day like ted the caver you read that so i just want to point this out you're all fake fans of when I read it. Really? You haven't seen this thing? Uh-uh. Oh, no shit. I read it back in the day. Like Ted the Cameraman read that. So I just want to point this out. You're all fake fans. He's a real big fan. There's a reason he's sitting next to me.

Sorry, Cody. It's my boy. B-tier got your back. I think the last three podcasts we've done, we bragged about Wendigo. Oh. Yeah.

That's so sweet. Just talking aboutendigo. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's so sweet. You're doing. Oh, there's a five minute second there where we're like, we're, our friends are doing so good. I'm sorry.

I want my son to succeed. You must be a proud father. You know, you know what, dad? I just like to call dad. B plus. Oh.

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He doesn't slide you on the scale at all. He's just like, and yeah, you're still there. You could imagine him being higher, but he's not. You're above all the other guys in B-tier, but you're not a b-tier he just slides your picture over dude i had after the podcast you guys did last time i had so many people in my comments for like a fucking month afterward b-tier brandon i'm like dude fuck you dude someone saw a picture of me and then he made a comment like oh it's b-tier there yeah no he didn't help put it on or anything he was just there

he was present i guess i think i saw him yeah no but for real guys i really appreciate the praise it's it's none of my doing i'm very blessed to be where i am couldn't have done it myself but it means it means a lot from friends. Well, you're a dirty fucking liar. Yeah, exactly. Well, Jesus. That's also how I respond to my friends. To say that it's none of your doing. Dad, trying to take credit again. Yeah, Dad. You're fucking welcome for everything, son.

Well, no, for you to say it's none of your doing. I'm like, whoa, where did I? Well, listen here, fucker. To say it's none of your doing is it's a dirty fucking lie because you are one of the best storytellers that i i have ever known i i appreciate that that means a lot i like them i like them i just like to tell them um but but you would ask like about the two podcasts that's going well uh for future episodes we're planning to cover a lot more like horror stories old creepy pasta related stuff what's the next one real quick justasta-related stuff. What's the next one, real quick, just to hint at it?

What's the next one going to be about? Goatman? We're discussing. We're recording it Monday. Me and him have been texting about which one. We've got like five lined up. It's just order. At some point, I want to cover some of the classics that are bad, looking back.

One's like Jeff the Killer, right? That as a kid, I'm like, this is the scariest story I've ever read. I'm like, I haven't looked at it in 10 years. What if we read it live to each other? How would that go? So, stuff like that. Yeah. Ted's an asshole. Do you guys have... Have you guys listened

to the Ted the Caver? Oh, yeah. He's just like a bro. Not warning anyone about anything that's happening. Saw a demon goat child in there. That was weird. Better not tell my friends. Come on, man, you want to go in first? Quick, throw the dog.

Throw in B. Whip. Yeah, whip. Whip the goat. Throw a whip in there. Man, the dog came back traumatized. Better go deeper. And then the other show we're doing uh the red thread is like looking at stuff like

conspiracy theories uh cults true crime stuff like that the way that in my mind they're differentiated is like so with the red thread uh like the idea of the red thread on like a conspiracy pinboard like you know tracing the lines from different stuff making connections uh it's kind of like taking these big cases or stories piecing them together see what fits what theories are uh and the thing that i'm trying to do with hunter over on creepcast is more so like narratives like stories stuff that inspires because like the thing that i've always respected a ton about Meat Canyon is he makes, like, goofy videos, right? Like, the premise is a joke or whatever. But then you're two minutes in and you're like, this is a scary, like, well-written horror story.

Like, he did one about, I forget what the setup was, but the monster was Bob the Builder. Oh, yeah, the Japanese. The Japanese thing in the forest and at first you're like haha bob the builder but then it's like uh the reason i've killed your wife is because you didn't respect the house you had and it ends with him like every day i break my house board by board waiting for it to return i'm like that was an impactful horror story about a bob the builder snake like it's so weird so terrifying yeah and like he's such a great writer that i want to like talk about stories with him and like do that so that's kind of like

in my head that's what differentiates some people are like couldn't you technically cover one concept on the other to the other and that's true but for me it's like the puzzle or the narrative those are the two like my two interests so you guys, you bounce off of each other. Because as you're saying, Hunter is really good. In a five-minute window, he can tell a three-story arc. And it's fucking insane to be able to do that as well and captivate the audience. And then terrify them. Because at the same time, you're like, what the fuck?

It is creepy. It's terrifying. And it's done in a five minute segment yeah yeah the builder and then you you're that narrative piece that's you're watching and then you break it down like your blood meridian story and it's really cool to see your both your dynamics i always say you're both ends of the spectrum when it comes to that i appreciate that thank you it's also interesting to see you bounce off of each other because like legitimately you are two of my new like favorite creators oh and And to see you bounce off of each other and bring up unique perspectives that I haven't seen before.

Or maybe that the other haven't thought about entirely. Hunter, redefining that story of you hunting for that body. Oh my gosh. You know how every comment, I just like open YouTube for a second and everyone's like, hey, you doing okay, buddy? You're going to find that body.

Don't worry. Like people are. Did I, do you all know about that story? You didn't watch the episode so you don't know about that story.

I'm sorry, you're surrounded by fake fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, please. Fuck you. There wasn't a fight to see who wasn't

going to be on this episode. No, that actually happened. We literally did. He was going to sit this one out, all four of us staring at each other like, we were all kind of like hand on carry gun. Like, are we going to like, all right, we're all going to be on it. I wouldn't be with Wendigo. No, I wouldn't be on Wendigo.

That was actually like insanely encouraging to me. Whatever. Because like I said, y'all are guys that look up to respect. Why? Shut up. Eli or Brandon1 texted me and was like, no one's backing out, so we're all going to be there. I'm like, oh, my heart. Like, that's so sweet.

I appreciate it. I appreciate it. So yeah, the dead body. Meanwhile, ballistic high speed guys back here only got two hosts. Sorry. Man, at least they brought in everyone else from there. Hey, fuck you guys. Hey, I would have been here.

I would have been here. I don't know what their problem is. Shout out to Ballistic High Speed. These are great dudes. Dude, I couldn't wait to not talk on their podcast. Your presence of not talking on other people's podcasts is so nice. You sum up everything Cody said.

It's one podcast. It's fucking great. Every time we have a podcast without Cody on it, and so Cody and just cut to blank screen okay yeah cool alright anyway donut here and it goes back

to everything I'm not voting for you so hard laughter laughter laughter understandable have a nice day way more sense oh my god but going on to your other one first off it is hunter and you it's

the opposite ends of the spectrum which is great because you have you're like g willikers and hunter is the exact opposite of g willikers you have a sunday school teacher versus i have a sponsorship with bad Dragon Dildos. Chew into the spectrum right there. Yeah, yeah. I did think about that when we started. I'm like, these are going to be some funny sponsor conversations. Bad Dragon, how do you feel about it? Yeah, how do you feel about it?

You think kids in the class? What's your age group? Like 12, 14? They're cool. They know. Speaking of which, it's time to roll into Adam and Eve. Oh, my God. Do you want the best sleep in the world, you know?

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He just gets up and leaves. I'm not Catholic, so that one's fine. How much can you fit in a Ted's cave? The power of Christ will compel you. You want to fill Ted's cave? Well, here's the thing to do that. It's a god, David.

So, does anybody want to go to church tomorrow? We're going to call it the Spelunker. He's never coming back. He's like, I hate all of you as much as one can hate. Get him the squeaky chair and bring it back. Love you guys. I just appreciate it.

Subscribers going down. The voice critical. There we go. Yeah, yeah go yeah yeah yeah yeah uh no i have a great time with those guys like charlie gets like flack sometimes because people are like oh he's not he's like not opinionated he doesn't like talk so much it's because charlie's just like the most like happy just he's like yeah i'm good life's good i don't have a lot of problems with anyone just nice guy and talking to him he's like like super legitimate, kind person. Like it'd been very cool to know him as well. I will say, I'll tell them a little bit. In the last podcast we did, we covered a unsolved, can I say the word for offing yourself? Wait, you guys have swore like 800 times suicide yeah yeah um sewer slide sewer slide yeah it was it was an

official sewer slide that has connections to like money stop using these fake words or i'm gonna kill myself um yeah so it's about an official suicide from the 70s that was connected to like money laundering rings and all this stuff. And as we get into the podcast, we're like, no one was ever convicted, but there are some people who maybe might be implicated, some business families, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, I'm not going to say it because that's still a successful family and I'm not going to mention it. And then Charlie's like, no, I'm good too. And then it goes quiet for a bit and Jackson's like like i live in new zealand the two families are the

he just says them and like we we laughed and made jokes after the recording over charlie was like we were talking afterwards like so are um are you guys worried about implicating their names i'm not i'm not but but if you guys are i i'd understand that do we want to cut it. Let's cut it Let's cut the names out of the episode To be fair you could probably google that given the information sure yeah, yeah, it's it's like public records Also, I just don't want to get sued is the only thing yeah, yeah, yeah That's my one hang up with it, which I've made some videos before where I'm like I'll hit post post but we'll see Yeah, yeah, yeah the iceberg community

Really hate me. I like Charlie a lot. He's actually he's a really chill chill dude Yeah, we've hung out with him in person like he's really cool as fuck My favorite thing about him though is that he makes me look tall, which is very rare. Yeah. He's looking jacked, though. Yeah. He's looking jacked. Really?

Yeah. Oh, you don't know that? No, he's been fucking... He's pretty rare. He's been like... Pumping iron. He always has, I thought. I don't know. I'm pretty sure he has that.

Cody right now. I'm pretty sure he has a... Dude, it's Cody right now. Everyone at the thing, they're like, Cody's has a Cody right now. I'm pretty sure he has a short. Cody right now. Everyone, everyone at the thing. They're like, well, he wears Cody's so jacked right now.

I was like, he stopped drinking for 30 days. He wears such loose clothing. I didn't know. Like I, is that an actual thing? Like, no,

I think he went, I think he went to college for like physical training or something. Yeah, no, he's pretty ripped. He's pretty, he's pretty hot. Yeah,

he's hot. Love you, bro. Ironically, like that's cool. Yeah. No, he's pretty ripped. He's pretty hot. Yeah, he's hot. Love you, bro. Unironically, like, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. That was the thing. Jesus Christ. Okay, so speaking of being sued, if we can talk about it a little bit, the Blood Meridian thing, like...

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Please play responsibly. 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. You didn't get sued over that, right? The Blood Meridian thing? Yeah. I got sued over Blood Meridian?

No, no, no, no, no, no. You didn't get sued, right? But, like, didn't they try to take the video down, like, the family of the dude? Cormac McCarthy. Yeah, Cormac McCarthy. Weren't there, like, some problems with that going on? They didn't try to take the video down to my

knowledge i did so after that video came out uh mccarthy i think you might be thinking of another video i think they i thought they took it down for like a day or two i don't think the family did unless i'm seriously misremembering publication or so yeah the publication tried to what did you have with the book? Reverse this because you guys were like but didn't they I think he would know first and be like i'm going to court i'm taking you're in court like i'm supposed to be here i don't know brandon and cody said i was supposed to be here is this like a chick-fil-a mandela effect because like i remember like they took your video down for like a day or two maybe youtube did for the content because i was talking about like graping like graping like murdered people and stuff because that's one of the stuff in the book maybe it

went down a couple i think that's what happened it got like age restricted by youtube for like a couple days and then i argued that it was cool and then they they put it back it's awful crazy i argued that graping was cool and then they agreed and they put it back i remember i said in the thing i'm like this is literally just a historical thing it's educational blah blah and they put it back up i think that's what it was they it did have an effect on the mccarthy estate in a good way okay because when i made that video uh blood meridian shot to number one on the amazon bestseller list for like three days straight so i bought it because oh really oh that's awesome brandon and i both bought the book that's fantastic but we listened to yours first and then like got the book and wanted to that's cool did

you read it yeah yeah it's uh very drawn out yeah it is it is your version was way better i genuinely appreciated your version of blood meridian more because there were several things like like campfire scenes and shit that that I did not read that deep into. And your breakdown of that, I was like, oh, shit, dude. If I was just casually reading this, I would have blown past that. I didn't get the deeper meaning. There's been a few times, especially with books. I think last time I was on the show, I talked about the road and stuff like that.

But with Blood Meridian, it was one of those moments I remember reading it late at night. And I got so into it in my mind. I picture like I'm there at the campfire. Like I can see them around me. And like, as I read the dialogue, I'm like the, the, the gravity of what's being said sets in. It really, really pulled me in. Um, but man, I love that book so much.

The antagonist is the judge. Terrifying person ever. There are, there are several times like we'll be we'll be out we'll be doing shit or whatever and i'll just like go to cody like i will never sleep i will never die bro like the my video is kind of cheating a bit i feel like i robbed people a little bit of some of the nuance to him because i actually just explained it um but like when you're watching or or when you're reading the book, and it's describing the stuff involving the children,

or whatever, it is so, because the book is so, what's the word? Metaphorical, in a lot of senses. It'll talk about the sunrise, and it will be like the great red hell that set over the landscape, that ignited fire on the earth. It's stuff like that.

It's very beautifully done. And then as they start to describe some of the travesties that are happening, it's done in a similar tone. And there's a part of you that's like, did that actually happen? And as more and more evidence of it accrues, you start to build in the back of your head. So like, spoilers.

Even how it ends is like... Are you good over here? I'm laughing over here. I'm trying not to smile on camera. I'm like, I'm watching a Wendigoon video in real life. Dude, I could hear you talk forever. And I'm like, I'm happy with this. If this podcast was eight hours, I'd be like...

I appreciate that. That's very kind. You don't want any of the nuance from me. To this day, I still don't want to be great by a giant albino. We'll be at, oh, dude, we were at, I think, Red Hot Chili Peppers concert in San Antonio with the bartender. We were like,

he's lying. We know that. We were at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert and the bartender where we were at, he looks like the judge. I'm glad I didn't concert and the bartender where we were at and like, he looks like the judge. Stay away from him. Like, I'm glad I didn't invite my son. Is there an outhouse around here?

Oh my god, bro, that ending terrifies me. It terrifies me so much. Yeah, so what I meant by robbing and stuff is the nuance of him being a right um it the way it's described is it will describe the judge like there's a scene where it's a storm and he's naked on the roof of the building like reciting like greek epics or whatever and then

there is a like a clause that says the next day a child was missing in the village the gang gathers their caravan together it's like whoa whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, what does that mean? And I didn't put it together until like the third or fourth time and I'm like, oh no. And I start to think about what the implication of that is. And then you remembered what the Greeks were known for.

You really start to see it come together because he's at a campfire one day and he's like, got this kid and he's like being nice to the kid and they come back and he's at a campfire one day and he's like, got this kid. Oh, my gosh. And they come back and he's already like snapped their neck or something. He's scalping them. Yeah. And then one of it's a nonchalantly because it was a talk with one of the other guys. Yeah.

But it's never explicitly mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. But it's always associated. Toadvine comes back and he sees that he's killed a kid and Toadvine levels a gun at him. And the judge is like, funny that you would do this now. After all the murder we did back in the village, after the thousands you say, this one, this one means something to you. And Toadvine thinks about it, uncocks the gun and walks away. Because he did, Toadvine is a hypocrite in that respect. He just

got done slaughtering a village, but oh, because I was around this one for a few days, his life is special. Although in this respect for the unsub audience if you've never watched uh his video on blood meridian or if you've never listened to blood meridian or read it uh please go read that book it's very fucking good it's a good but we don't we don't have to spend the whole time on it but i really like that book it's like yeah i think about a lot there's a few stories i read that like come back to me in moments when i'm thinking about writing thinking about stories and that's i think about the judge lot, like just what he represents, how powerful of a figure that is in the world. It's interesting. I love good stories.

I listened to that right after your breakdown of Paradise Lost. And so that was particularly impactful. That's interesting. That's a good step because, yeah, I think I mentioned it in the video, but the judge was a combination of Satan from Paradise Lost, his like mannerisms, his idea of pride in his position. And I forget his name, but the antagonist from Heart of Darkness, which if you've seen. Colonel something or other. Yeah.

If you've seen Apocalypse Now, it's an adaptation of Heart of Darkness. Yeah. Yeah, if you've seen Apocalypse Now, it's an adaptation of Heart of Darkness. Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. So the one who, all in the head, that whole thing, was the inspiration for it, which leads me into kind of my theory that the judge, while literal in the events of the story, is more representative of the devil of the world, of what's happening around them. Because really, it's... Even his teleth's... I just said I won't spend the time talking about Blood Meridian,

but I do want to say this. It's fascinating. Listen here, I don't want to talk about trains. Trains are fucking dumb, okay? That's his tism. At least I didn't get the train kind, right? I can profit off of this kind. Have you seen the cover for Mud Meridian?

It's so good, though. Did you see the post in the subreddit? Which one? Somebody said the only reason that the symbol for autism is a puzzle piece is because they couldn't figure out which train to use. How did we become the fucking magnet for autism i know oh we're gonna i don't know i don't know i don't know what's on the walls what's up dude all i'm saying the unsub charity for autism hey we're crushing it with it when we do it i like we actually do charities for autism and we crush with them.

Whenever we decide to do a charity, we'll crush with them. We've done one, now we're going to do another. I got the design already. It's just going to be the train from Rudolph with the square wheels. That's it. Square wheels? That's a whole shirt. Island of misfit toys. with the square wheels. That's it.

Square wheels? Island of words. It's a misfit choice. Autistic kids are going to be so mad. They're going to be like, that's not how this works. This doesn't work like this. They're so pissed. What is it?

Sign language intensifies. Yeah. Shirt's very comfortable. The wheels are wrong. You reviewed on that? Oh, God. Thank you. So you and,

but you and Charlie's content, what is that one? How are you leading that one? Typically, like I say, like really the show in essence, Jackson is the main go-to showrunner on it. The guy from New Zealand?

Yeah, he's on the official podcast. Super cool guy. Jackson's actually the one who reached out. He was like, me and Charlie want you on. The official podcast has their own channel now, and they're doing branch-out shows, the Red Thread being one of those. But Jackson sets up the documents we'll all like in unison pick out a topic and he's like cool and you don't hear from him for like half a day and he's like here's a 14 page dissertation about

the players the people involved and all that and it's like cool so then like i'll run it through my like research channel see if there's anything to add, stuff like that, and then we go for it. But Jackson does the editing. He does most of the compiling. That guy's the GOAT, really putting the show together. Was that a pun? GOAT man.

He's the GOAT. That guy's the GOAT? I will say there was one of those where, because you kept saying over and over again, I think it was one of the three places that the GOAT man was originating from and laura was denton texas yeah was it texas how far is denton from here i googled it wait a minute or forever i don't know texas is fucking enormous

dude my district is like seven hours from end to end. Because I brought my family down this time. I Googled. I was like, how far from Mason City, Iowa to Texas is what I said. And I was like, eight hours. Oh, we're driving. I'm driving here. It's going to be way cooler than flying.

And then I was like, wait, hold on. How far from Mason City to San Antonio? 17 hours. Over half the trip here across the United States is just Texas it's fucking dumb welcome to the party pal it really hits you when you're watching the news

and they're like there's a current conflict in Ukraine which is the largest country in Europe it's almost the size of the state of Texas that was from the fucking news. Almost. One of our 50 states.

Jesus Christ. This country. You ever see Texas fit into Alaska? That's a fucking wild map. Texas is for Alaska. It's fucking ridiculous. Alaska is a big ass bitch. Alaska is huge, but it's also

trying to contextualize European countries into like American states because you have like I think it's the UK Britain I think the entire island what fits into the size of Michigan it's roughly the size of Michigan

you bunch of bitches thought you could take us really they went from 75% of the world You bunch of bitches thought you could take us? Really? They went from 75% of the world to Michigan. That's how bad they got me. They took over the entire world for its spices to use none of them?

That's why I get annoyed when the annoying kid from class is like, America needs to do a better job of public transportation like Europe does. It's like, well, you're worried about Michigan not fucking, it's the entire continent of America. You know what I mean?

It's like a different scale of a problem for getting trains everywhere. I saw one fucking meme the other day where it's like a Taco Bell in the middle of nowhere. It's like the European mind cannot comprehend. Dude, Nick can make a whole podcast of the arguments he gets in with kids in his college class right now.

I fucking love it. Have you heard any of these? That's all my Patreon is. It's just me shitting on college kids. It's great. I thought that was your only thing. Watch me fuck these college kids. It's a different kind of segment, I think. I thought that was your only thing. Watch me fuck these calls. Yeah, exactly.

It's a different kind of segment, I think. His wife is just shaking her head. Who do you think has to listen to me lose my shit in the basement all day? That's okay, honey. That's pretty much it, yeah. Have you heard any of his... Because Nick will go hard on these kids. They will send in a

thesis or whatever and you actually you just dismantle it it's like right now it's world war two history class and pretty much the whole class was like three graded papers but other than that it's just graded discussions with like one talking point yeah and it's like the the scope of what some of these kids think in college is mind-blowing. I would say over half of high school kids right now or new college age kids in America believe that America used nuclear weapons when we

didn't have to for fun just because we wanted to know if it would work. They have never heard of the Holodomor. They think that communism is awesome. It's never done anything wrong What else it's pretty much just trash It was wild to me like my first big trip to DC with all the you know small things I have going on Being in a bar with people like

Talking about communism in a positive light in the capital of the United States I am NOT fucking kidding you it was the bar that like Obama like had like was famous for taking like a huge drink of the beer out of like that photo okay across the street if you exit the bar you're staring at it. It's the Holodomor Memorial. That wasn't real communism, though. Oh, exactly. It's not real communism. Today we're going to talk about it. Today we're going to talk about it.

It'll be different when I do it, guys. It works out every fucking time. It's going to be different this time. It's weird. Like the Holodomor, like basically the Holocaust, but for Ukrainians that nobody talks about. Yep. Because it's communism.

There was, like most people don't, everybody thinks of like concentration camps. They just talk about Auschwitz. Auschwitz was like one of the few in Western Europe. There was more concentration camps in Eastern Europe than there was in Western Europe, period. By far. By far. Like it's not even close. What was it?

Dachau i think it was one of the big ones i don't know the specific names of them the dachau was third biggest if i recall right second or third uh i remember it because there was a video i did related to a battle at the end of the war that was right next to dachau so yeah that one was uh in austria what battle was it so you and nick can fucking go? The battle of Castle It. I can see we're going to be quiet for a minute. Castle It. Yep.

I made a video about it. It's a great story. It's fantastic. You're the only person on the podcast that just actually lifts weights. So like... This is carrying the weight of the silences. Fucking video. Joe, you over here, bench pressing silence. What's your max bench silence?

All of it. Your max bench is nine minutes of not talking? Just show it up. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Your max bench is nine minutes of not talking. Just shut up. Hi, Cody. Fuck. So let me ask, why are you afraid to make the itter video? Because the amount of nuance required to be able to say things like, hey, there was this time where America teamed up with the German military.

Hold on, hold on. I got you, I got you. Because I want to see your take on it. So I did the video. Well, this is interesting considering current events. Shut up. Shut up. Just speak.

Don't look to your left. Don't look to your left. Don't look to your left. I'm pretty good at this on this show. Don't you fucking batty me. I just won't focus on you. You get straight right now. I can almost hear his voice. Did you just say I had a bad take so um when i was explaining it i didn't get flack for this and i do think this is the historical

context at the end of world war ii germany had exhausted the majority of its like its fully aged trained fighting forces like this was in 45 they were throwing whoever they could like they were 15 16 year old kids with rifles out into the field right so the difference and what differentiates it or so much is the vermont which was the army effectively was composed of like children uh fighters who were raised in like the schools of the third reich like pushed onto the fields and the ss was made up of the officers who ran the Dachau concentration camp. The officers realized that they would not be favorable in a trial after the war.

So they were going to fight to the last man. But several soldiers of the Wehrmacht realized that the Americans weren't just executing prisoners and they could probably surrender. So a Wehrmacht officer who was effectively leading an army of high schoolers or a station of high schoolers realized that maybe he doesn't want them to get killed over nothing. So he surrenders and goes to the American side. And there was a prison, Castle Litter, I mean, you know the story, nearby Dachau where the SS guards were planning to attack.

So, well, they had just evacuated it. Wehrmacht officer gets the Americans to go help. SS comes to attack. And the Wehrmacht helps the Americans get the prisoners out of the castle. I think as long as you play into the nuance of like, because it's not saying, you're not saying that like, oh, Germany wasn't. As you explain this, could you shift your chair closer this way? You're starting to hurt my feelings.

I'm like, man, he turned it. He did 48 minutes talking to everyone. Now he's just shifted completely to them. You committed to the bit and I wanted to fucking sewer slide. Ah, the whites.

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she was a German, like, so my mother's mother was a German civilian during World War II. We know how grandmas work. Fuck! You know what? Never mind. Fuck you, Nick. The wheels are square,

but they're there, okay? Fucking hurry up with this. Castle in her. She was a German civilian during world war ii so she like grew up like her entire three ten years were during world war ii she's got some fucking wild stories amazing woman like genuinely so uh but she also you know has had some influences later in her life that are very left-leaning and so she like likes to talk about Trump a lot.

And the thing going through my mind is like, Grandma, Oma, you've waved in person to Hitler. You don't get to talk about who the next Hitler is. Period, Grandma. I love you to death. You don't get that privilege anymore. Oh, Hitler was looking so handsome today. His mustache on point.

Fun's a nice man. It's like a meme. Have you seen the Jewish lady? She was like 90-something years old. The grandmama. She takes a shot. Yeah, she takes a shot. She was not a Jewish lady.

She was not Jewish. Oh, yeah, but the woman, the German lady. Yeah, she takes a shot. She was not a Jewish lady. She was not Jewish. No. Oh, yeah, but the woman, the German lady is. Yeah. I'm not going to do it again. Definitely more German than Jewish. Yeah, but like the grandson grabbed her arm and shoved it. Yeah, I'm going to do it again.

You hear an audible no, grandma. Grabbing her hand. That's what happened. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I've seen it. Yeah, I know. You see the grandson like the no grandma. No, no, no, no, no.

The video cuts right there. It's just that moment of like, oh, he's the new Hitler. It's like, are you fucking with me? You were there for the first one. Continue on this story, though. So you have your different. Oh, no, no. I mean, I was at the end of it.

My whole concern is just you have to actually have the nuance to be able to say like hey there's varying grades of evil when it comes to germans in world war ii some of them were 16 year old kids that didn't have a choice and some of them were you know political radicals that actually believed in that shit but you can't have opinions like that on the internet well well the way you explain it isn't in such a way to say that, like, oh, Germany wasn't bad at some parts. It's to say that Germany was so wicked that they were using effectively meat for the war machine. Anyone who could hold a rifle was pushed to the front lines. During the Battle of Berlin, there's stories of some, like, artillery positions where the average age of the soldier was 14.

Like, just absolutely horrific war crimes that were being committed. And it's not to say that they were, it's not like, oh, Germany wasn't so bad. It's that they were so bad that there were people in this position. And realistically, it wasn't like Germany was so bad necessarily. It's just like you have a thousand people in charge roughly at the top. Yeah, the German government. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course.

Everyone else is told Germany is in in danger your homeland is being invaded you have to protect yourself yeah you have to protect your homeland like yeah and it's a it's a common lie that's being that's been told as long as you know humanity yeah yeah there's there's like a lot of people who like so like you said several people who like lived down the country land were handed a rifle and told to march. They didn't know the gravity of what was happening. The people who do not get that excuse is the SS officers and people like that are responsible. So that's why I think the Castle of Iter would work because there is that distinguishing.

They had no excuse. They knew what was coming. You even get in the South during the Civil War, think like, oh, the South fought for slavery. It's like 4% of Confederate soldiers owned slaves. Yeah. 4% of the South. Yeah. On like the government level, yeah, definitely.

But like when it comes to like the individual soldiers, the people who are marching, these guys couldn't read or write. Most of them, they lived in the backwoods. Yeah. I mean, it's like that with any war, you know, people are victims of some rich man's game they're just pawns in a fight well you look at a scene man this got pink floyd real quick i know but what is the what is the most death in the civil wars like 60 000 i think it was antietam creek or uh 60 80 000 us it was it was the most u.s deaths ever happened in one day and more it was like 60 60 or 80,000. I don't remember the exact number. It's almost like we have a nightmare break in our pocket.

I think it was Antietam. Yeah, and it was like 60 to 80,000. And then you take that out. And that was the Civil War. That is our most bloody battle. Now you go over to Germany with what you're going with, like arming these 14 to 16-year-old kids, and both on Russian and German side.

And then you have their battles like Berlin or any horrific horrific you are looking at 20 to 40 million deaths, right like If I may be wrong about this Yeah, if I may be wrong about this, but the total deaths of World War two in combat were 48 million 20 of that was Russians These are really rough estimates, yeah. Yeah, they're like, it could be 20 to 40 million Russians. So it's like you said, the meat grinder, they're just throwing bodies at the shit, no matter how old they are.

Oh, the Russians in particular were- Yeah, they lost, like three-fourths of their male populace was gone after war. Yeah, like the missing generation, so to speak. So many men died that it created. I mean, that's why, like, to this day, Russia's a massive, massive landscape. But there's entire, you know, hundreds and hundreds of miles of land that's just uninhabited because the population is so low because so many able-bodied men died during the war. Also, like, a lot of the land is uninhabitable. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

That doesn't help. It was interesting to see one of the Australian YouTubers that came to our range day asked me, and I'm not prepared to answer this question because I don't look into this stuff, but he asked me how many people

I thought lived in Australia. How many people do you think live in Australia? It's not that much. Because it's just around the coast. There's like 375 million people live in the US how many do you think live in Australia big-ass fucking country 40 million I'm cheating a bit cuz I think I've seen the statistic before so it's not getting across the level of like gravity you want so I'm a fucking retard you know

solidarity with Cody 39 million million. Solidarity! I already know the answer. Okay, well, it was super fucking low. It was like 35 million or something like that. 28 to 35 million. Australia and Canada are very similar. There's a couple major cities with most of the population, and the rest of it's extremely rural. Which explains, I think, why they're so far left-leaning. It's because the majority of the population is in cities and everybody else is just in the middle of fucking nowhere.

Yep. It sucks. Yeah. It's 100% ass fucking bull. You get two cities with all the voting power, getting rid of guns, and then some poor dude above the Arctic Circle can't defend himself against grizzly bears.

Excuse me, sir. That's 44 years in prison. It's like, well, I need to defend myself against the grizzly. Right. That's shit. Especially Australia. Australia is the one land they're like, well, I need to defend myself against the grizzly. Right. Australia is the one land where they're like, yeah, we can't do this. And I'm like, man, that is the one land I'd want a gun of any type. Well, everything in the country

wants to kill you. The emu war. I did use a gun against them. Maxim guns couldn't kill the emu. To be fair, emus are bullshit. I'm sorry. Growing up in the public education system of Alabama, Maxim guns couldn't kill the emu. It didn't work. These are bullshit. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Growing up in the public education system of Alabama,

I learned from two things in Australia. It's like, Quickly Down Under is a wonderful movie. And YouTubers from Australia are fucking pieces of shit. Science. Not all of them. Except for the boys. Not all of them. Sorry.

The boys are cool. But some. Okay, the boys. Sorry. I'm sorry, Eddie. Not all of them. The boys are cool. But some. Okay, the boys. Sorry, Eddie. My bad, dude. The boys are fucking amazing. Wait, are we challenging them to a boxing match right now?

Wait, no. We're going hard right now? We're going to beat the shit out of people? I'm down for this. You know what? If Eli takes a boxing match, I will too. Yeah, done. Done.

Same. Oh, we're just all signing up. The Unsubscribe podcast hosts its own boxing match I've never fought before this will be exciting Texas, Australia dude I can't wait to see you do

your first boxing match dude I'm scared to learn boxing one day I'm gonna learn this it's fighting like fisticuffs is what they call it I've never done it

I'm super excited for it you've never done Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I've seen you fight before you sucked yeah I'm trash excited for it. You've never done Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I've seen you fight before. You sucked. I promise you this. If you accept the fight, I'll do one.

It's crazy you have the pro fight. You're the one with the record right now. I want to tell my kids, I'm a technically undefeated pro boxer. According to the state of Tennessee Absolutely not that that's the one thing that my wife told me like the creator clash thing and all that started up She was like whatever happens you are not getting in a ring with someone my mom because Yeah, my wife what a loser right Because Can they do a fight

Next wife don't give a fuck hey mom can i do a boxing match are you okay with that okay oh i did i forgot about that i did my boxing match on your birthday We don't care about you. We can all die. Oh, I did. I forgot about that. I did my boxing match on your birthday. Oh, Cody. You want to come say hi?

Come here. Yeah. Come on over here. Okay, calm and start catcalling. Cody's dad's going to beat the shit out of you. Damn, don't do that. Cody's dad's going to beat you up. Spring is here, and you can now get almost anything you need delivered with Uber Eats.

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Alcohol and select markets. See app for details. Start flexing real quick. Joe, get in front. Get in front. Go on. Other side. Other side. Get in there. No, no, no. Is that you?

Cody. Cody, flip. Yeah, flip her. Come here. Flip her. I got it. No, no. Oh, no. There you go.

There, now we can see it. Hey, there we go. And then lean down. Hey, there we go. Dude, look at that. That's a family. Aw, that's so cute.. Hey, there we go. And then lean down. Hey, there we go. Dude, look at that. That's a big old family. Aw, that's so cute. It's a baker's dozen.

Oh, yeah. That's awesome. I can't believe it. The audio listeners are like, okay. Must be cool. This is a great story. That's what you get for being an audio listener. What's the theme Aragon in the movie?

Is Aragon in the book? It just shows the word Aragon. Cody's mom. These amazing humans over here. We love all of them. I love you, mom. I love you, mom. You're awesome.

Hi. There I was at the bar at 1.30 in the morning, and I met Cody's mom. It was pretty awesome. The best context. Oh, that was your first bar at 1.30 in the morning, and I met Cody's mom. It was pretty awesome. The best context, probably. Oh, that was your first time? Yes. Oh, man. At 1.30 in the morning.

Dear God. Hammered. Did you shave that late last night? She's a really nice lady. Yeah, absolutely. And then I went to Denny's. You stayed late last night? Yeah.

Are you just a breakfast human? Yes. That sounds like a slur. Are you a a breakfast human? Yes. That sounds like a slur. Are you a breakfast person? Are you a mug person? No, speaking. I have a question that I wanted to ask. Okay.

You. Yes, go right ahead. Are there any slurs for any cryptids? Yeah, so like Bigfoot, people call him Squatch all the time. Stuff like that. Does he not like that? Well, I mean, find out. Go in the woods, save her a lot.

You'll be the first to know. Don't worry. You're a Squatchy American. Hey, we're in a Squatch neighborhood. Dang. Oh my God, dude. That came for me. That's one of the greatest questions.

Thank you. What a great question. What's a squatch? Like Sasquatch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro. Sorry. Bro.

This guy. Pentagon of the world's squatch. We're in a neighborhood with a size 15 shoe. Oh God. We're going to start talking about mud people again, Brandon? Jesus Christ. That was aggressive last time. Do you want to clarify what that means? No. He doesn't know mud people.

He's a little bit more mud people. Just out of curiosity. Mud people, we need to give him a rundown. What's your Vegas odds that that is or is not a slur? It's all on Randall. He's sweating right now. your like Vegas odds that that is or is not a slur. It's all on Randall. He's sweating right now. Do we want to do this?

Really? No, we don't. Please don't. We're going to tell him now. We're going to talk about my people. Just give me a short, like, what is it? So in Fayetteville, like down south of Fayetteville, we had Lumberton, which is like home to a lot of Lumbee Indians.

And basically, there were people that we would contract a lot of times for sheetrock and shit, which is called mudding when you're on a job site. And they were fucking good at it. Literally, they were good tradesmen. Yeah, I see where this is going. We'd just call them the mud people. Like, oh, call them the mud people. And it sounds like a fucking slur. It's like, no, no, we're complimenting them. They were good at their jobs, so we hired them.

Aren't you running for office? To be honest. No, yeah. And I stopped. Oh. When the live audience, I hear, Jesus Christ. I just felt all the air come back into the room after you explained that. You're like, oh, thank God.

Okay. I'm watching a fucking train wreck. You hanged on every word of that. It wasn't getting better. You're like, oh, we're near where I live. There's this group of Native Americans. It's like, where are you? Watch this. Look, I've already been through this cancellation gauntlet once.

He just starts to like the most successful podcast there's going to be. And it's like, oh, mud people. They're talking about mud people. He's like, I'm never going. We'll get a few episodes of that out before this comes out. So I'll just roll off that. Isaiah, serious question. What's your favorite slur?

What? All four mics go to his mouth. He's like, no, guys. I want to talk about Blood Meridian. Squatch. Squatch. Squatch. Because I like Bigfoot.

You're not getting these back either of you! Give them here! I'll keep both! You don't earn them! No! Cody hold these! My god! Dude, people started talking shit about you online. Oh, can we talk about that? Dude, all of us were like, did you say about him?

I did not know. I don't go on the Twitter, the X much. Unless I want to watch dead people, apparently, because that's my entire feed. I'm like, oh man, I want to be happy. One scroll, I'm like, I've watched four people die already. There's a man being sucked in underneath a semi-trailer. That's so cool. I'm like, I've watched four people die already. There's a man being sucked in underneath a

semi-trailer. That's so cool. Why Twitter? Okay, what is your people decided to cancel you? Yeah, yeah. So I think I don't know this, but I think it came as backlash. I won't get into specifics. I mean, if you're

online, you know who. Actually, it doesn't matter. Who cares? I was in a video. If they made this podcast, it's one of us. Get the shit out of them. A friend of mine, internet historian. I'll kill you.

A friend of mine, internet historian, he makes a video that's under criticism, talking about plagiarism and stuff like that uh i was in that video as a voice actor i should clarify for the record i was just a voice actor i didn't help script do anything like that so video comes out and then video comes under fire for plagiarism so because i was like the lead guy in that um they uh were like oh well this guy he's in on it, they're in cahoots

we gotta get him so people were just like so internet historian didn't get shit at all oh he did he's much much worse than me really? I didn't see any of that shit was it a verb? okay this is for reference

if you do not know how this works all these guys, and I will account for everyone, they spend week to two weeks on each piece of video you're going. Maybe not Cody. Cody's like, I got to watch this. I'm going to do my research and break it down. You still spend like 24 hours to 48 hours.

You just have a faster turnaround. Brown man dead. Yeah. All right. Cody, say it like that. I need accountability for all of us. Cody, take your pants off. Then he just fills in the gaps. In general, everyone is doing

a bunch of deep research unless we're working with somebody that usually we trust. I'm assuming that's what happened. You guys sent a script. When you send a script, you're like, I'm going to fucking, I got the time to digest this and break it down and make sure it's factual. It was a caver? It was a caver video? The Man in K video. I'm gonna fucking I got the time to digest this and break it down and make sure it's fast

The man in cave video about a Floyd Well, I forget his first name Floyd the guy who had the cave in Kentucky That guy yeah Three weeks three weeks. I think not not Ted the keeper. No, no, no. Okay, the other cave video. I'm sorry, you're being typecast as the cave guy. Yeah, yeah. This is the Putty Cave? I think that was the name. There was some facts around that case that are kind of confusing. Like, you found one cave, but they didn't do well,

so there was another cave, but something that connects. Some people use the names interchangeably. Yeah, sure. It's in that wheelhouse, right? So I was in that. Now I didn't do the script as far as like the actual video goes. The way like he set up the video is he had different characters. Several other YouTubers were in it as well. I was the main guy though. They, we each did like voice lines, sort of like voice acting as if we're there So I had lines about like help. I'm trapped my leg hurts Get me out of here basic stuff like that like I was doing the voice of the guy stuck in the cave

So I didn't even see a script around like what he was saying the video. I was just reading lines like ah It's cold in here, and that was like the extent of what I saw your voice acting At your fight, it's cold in here. I'm like, oh, man. Oh, hell. Get that penis away from me. Can you get his too? I say it's my favorite human.

I can't believe you came on this podcast. I know, honestly. He's never coming back. I know, isn't he? Anyway, anyway. So Internet Historian gets hit over that. He got way worse than me. And it was funny because he texted me after it happened,

and he was like, I hope none of this comes back on you. And I'm like, how could any of this come back on me? Yeah, ate my words on that one. So people were like, oh, this guy's also probably a plagiarist. Let's go through his stuff so there was like a reddit post from like or sorry tumblr post from a few years ago i like you i used to like have a meme account where i would joke about like oh the atf shot my dog or like oh why did you point to me on that i don't know i do i was just thinking about like killing federal agents and i'm like this guy knows what I'm talking about.

Congressman over here. Retribution. You're like, oh, you're sinking me here, and this is how I sink you, Brady. I'll be right back. That's more booze. I was trying to leave. Did you just have a drink swap? Oh!

Mr. King Trout. With a hand off. Get right here, face right here. This guy tried to not let me leave when he was talking about killing federal agents. As long as you're doing voice acting, do you want to do the I'm Brandon Herrera and I approve this message at the end of all his political ad campaign voices? I think that'd be great too. On top at the end of all his political ad campaign. I think that'd be great, too. On top of everything, tie me into a political campaign.

I think that's what I'm using right now. Are you ready to go down? No, no, no, no, no. Not like this. Not like this. It's happening. No, no. Take that.

Where's that unplugger? You ready? You ready? Oh, my gosh. I'm Brandon Herrera, and I. Take it. Where's that unplugger? Ready? You ready? Oh, my gosh. Brandon Herrera and I approved this message. Isaiah's like, I am.

I fucking hate I can't stand you. I can't. Stop. I will face that side of the table again. Yeah, but anyway, it's...

We're like right on the fucking hilt of him talking about like, oh, well, I never thought I'd be implicated in this one thing I appeared on. And then here you are like, oh, you want to go further? We can take it further. Have you heard of the mud people? I say, it's like, really? This is where we're going right now.

What did we say on the last podcast? Like, oh, if only the Japanese were just a bit hungry or 9-11, it wouldn't have happened. Jesus Christ. No, if they could aim better. Oh, gosh. Do you want to hear that story? No, no, no. Because I know you know.

It's on the table. No, I know you know. Don't blow it up. You know that one? What story? About George Bush Sr. No, no, no. Leave it, leave it. No, because I know you know. It's on the table. No, I know you know. Don't blow it up. You know that one? What story? About George Bush Senior. What?

About George Bush Senior. Oh, oh, oh, about, yeah, yeah, yeah. I explained how he was the only one that survived. Okay, all right, that's actually fine. I explained that story. And then he steps in and goes, so you're telling me if the Japanese could aim better, we wouldn't have to. No, no, no, no.

So if the Japanese were a bit hungrier, 9-11 would have been prevented. How does hungry relate to shooting down the enemy? Well, the Japanese were a bit hungry. They were shooting down the enemy. They were shooting down the enemy. They were shooting down the enemy. They were shooting down the enemy. They were shooting down the enemy.... No, no, no, no. So if the Japanese were a bit hungrier, 9-11 would have been prevented.

How does hungry relate to shooting down... The cannibalism part of that. If they would have ate George Bush Sr. Then George W. Bush wouldn't have... You're running for office. You sound like my consultant. That's the dirty secret. That's the dirty secret of eight presidents.

That's the dirty secret. He's running backwards. This is a man that really does not want to be elected. If he gets elected, you're like, it was the will of God. It's come to my attention that my consultant has not seen any of my content.

Has he not watched I don't think so. I am holding bets on when he quits. It's like it's just exciting to me because I'm literally watching a story unfold of like a human actually wearing plot armor.

And it's just water off a duck. It's completely untouchable. Just wait just water off a duck completely untouchable just wait till the attack ads start because I guarantee you three quarters of them are coming from this podcast and then you say I approve this message for every one of them

and congratulations by the way on about let me guess about half a million dollars worth of RNC money going toward promoting the Unsubscribe podcast. You hear the phrase, on the record. This is on the record. You just said that. This is the official record.

Yeah. How deep are we into this? I'll see you guys on Fox News. I can't wait. This is going to be so much fun. Well, the only thing you can't say about me is that I'm not honest. This is very true. Or a heterosexual.

I love my internet friends. When did you get me out of this episode? Can you just have it where you're talking to no one? You just see an arm go up. Oh, shit. When did you get me out of this episode? Can you just have it where you're talking to no one? You just see an arm go up. Oh, shit. When you're going to tear it up. What's up, dude? I'm a big fan.

Hold on. Can I get a picture with you? You can take the mic, too. Do you want? Please, during the podcast. Yes! Right now. Yes!

Dude, I'm serious. I'm a huge fan. Dale Gribble, ladies and gentlemen. Huge fan. Windigo's like, I don't know how I recovered from this. Guns don't kill people, the government does.

It's wild. I'm relieved to talk about me being called an alt-right extremist. Right. You're a CEO? You said federal agents being killed. Kublai Kal, one of us. Kublai Kal, one of us. Okay, okay, so like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I used to make jokes about like ATF, which I still do, I just don't do it in the same format. It's just not on the record. Yeah, I used to make jokes about that stuff. I used to go by the name Boogaloo Boy, which was back when the meme page was there and stuff. Because when I started it, it was like, ha-ha, Second American War, woo-hoo, we like guns and stuff like that.

And then it became like... Second American War? Could you expand on that? Shut up. It was memes, it was jokes. I just want to know what you mean by that. Okay, anyway... B-tier, calm down. So, but what? So, like, as that became, like, a thing I didn't want to be associated with,

a bunch of grifters came in from, like, actual alt-right stuff like that. I was like, I just like guns. I'm not here for this. Oh, you guys are joking. I believe you. Oh, shit. So you didn't want a guided tour of the Capitol. I like, you're the one that needs to worry

the most about everything, and you are the least worried about that. That's why I'll win. I told you it's plot armor. Also, that may or may not age well. Oh. You're getting assassinated. If no one else does it, I am.

No. I just think it's a nice time to take a fucking convertible cruise in Dallas. Yeah. I already brought that up to him. He's already designated who's doing his assassination breakdown video on his channel. Did you think you weren't on the list? You picked someone besides me to do it? I will be.

I'll be actually mad if that's what happens. If I don't get to cover your death, I'm furious. Yours is going to be weird because it goes live 30 seconds after it happens. Cody gets body cam. That's fine. He gets body cam. You get the unofficial story. Okay.

I get the history breakdown. All right. That's a legal pact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the Louisiana purchase. I just want the money from the merch. Exactly. Can we put, like, the freeze frame of the impact on a T-shirt?

That was like the breakfast club fist in the air. The congressional iceberg video is going to be so good. Oh, dude, if you want to do an iceberg... Brandon Herrera's assassination? B-tier. Okay, hold on. To finish this... Oh, shit. To finish this...

I'm going to be with B-tier for your assassination. Please do that when he dies. He got killed by 22. You fly it down here. He gets killed and I'm like, I've seen better. You're like, bro, Reagan was like 85 and he didn't get killed by 22. What the fuck is your problem? Boy's got a weak skull.

It'd be really funny if you died in a lame way, like you got stabbed. It's like, we can't even market that. B-tier bleeds out like a bitch. That's a B-tier bleed out there. That's a B-tier bleed right here. That was not the alliteration I was hoping for. B-tier bleeds out like a bitch.

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Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connectsontario.ca. Please play responsibly. That's good. Man, you're never losing that name now. It's your fault, fucker. You're the one who keeps talking about it. I was going to leave it be, but no you know i like it i'm glad btr brandon that was it was really funny to me because i was able to revisit that i'm like all right this is you know long con maybe one day he'll get really popular probably more popular

than me and then i'll be able to roast him for this yeah Yeah, yeah. Is that what this podcast episode is? Is this the long con? No, the long con was you coming to my shop. I was able to load a gun behind you. And you pulled the gun on me? Yeah, yeah. So, fucking B-tier. Yeah, yeah. First time I ever met this guy

who pulled a gun on me as soon as we got into a locked room. You too? What'd he do afterwards? I want to see if our stories are the same. you too what do you do afterwards okay to finish this story so quick being brought up hey Cody has gone people saw the old like haha I hate the FBI memes people saw that like I was was making memes about like uh like again atf waco stuff like that and they're like oh neo nazi neo nazi so then that that's that's

how that happened uh and then people just started saying it and i would like stuff happens on twitter all the time people will just like say i don't like this guy therefore i think he's xyz things would have left it alone but i woke up wednesday morning and i opened twitter and i hit the search button and it's trending in the usa lakers game or whatever windigoon so i'm like okay and i click on it and the first one's a tweet that's like uh windigoon is a neo-Nazi. I'm like, okay, for the first time, I'm going to address this.

I just made a tweet that's like, hey, everyone, I know we've had our fun, but no. So yeah, that's what it is. But it was worth it because Cody, when I saw him Thursday night, I'm like, Cody! And I start to hug him. And he's kind of a little quiet. And he goes, I start to hug him and he's like he's kind of like a little quiet

and he goes I need to hurt people that are mean to you when you guys did that I was on the range filming a video that was 10 of 10 for me thank you guys by the way um when it's a baseline I love it I I was filming a video and I just saw like cody text the group chat do we need to hurt people and i was like i i was unaware of any fucking thing going on with you i was like we're killing people for wendy boy yeah we're killing people for isaac let me clarify let me clarify audience anyone who has said anything bad about me i do not want anything bad to happen to them i do stop i'll go on the record. Fuck them. Preemptively. Preemptively.

Don't use those cameras. Use this one right here. Do not say or harass anyone. Love not violence. Stop. You do what you like. No. Did you?

Oh, I thought the cord fell out. I'm not your dad. Okay, I'm sorry. Hold on. What the fuck? I apologize. I apologize. How did that right go?

Fuck you. I have no idea what just happened. Can that even come off? What did you do? Don't be mean to people. Be Christ-like. Jesus loves you. Jesus said, sell your cloak and buy one if you don't have a sword. Sell your cloak and buy a cloak?

Is that what you just said? Sell your cloak and buy a sword. If you don't have a shirt, buy a shirt. I'm not lying. When did you get in his lap? When did that happen? We went to Denny's together last night. You don't want to hear what happened?

Guys, can I do a shout out real quick? Of course. I was at the skate shop earlier and Seth came by. He was an amazing person. He gave me his hat. He was deployed during COVID on the USS Nimitz. And they were deployed for over 300 days. And he said that our videos kept a lot of dudes from doing the...

Sewer slides. Sewer slides, sorry. Shout out to Seth, though, man. Thanks for being awesome. Seth? Navy? Navy, yeah. He's a Navy boy.

But yeah, because during COVID, they weren't hitting ports. They were at sea for over 300 days. Jesus Christ. Pandemic. We're staying in the ocean, is what they said. Yeah, exactly. Dude, every Navy man's like, what about the prostitutes, sir? Like, no, it's COVID.

But. Is this actually transmitted? What the fuck are you talking about? To be honest, after like 200 days, you're like, maybe I am gay. It's not gay if you're underway, buddy. Science. Cody looking real cute right now. That's true.

Yeah, what's changed? I hate everything. Thank you, Seth. Appreciate it. Cody's over here like, maybe he's looking submissive and realistable. I gotta get out of here I don't want to be a solicitor I'm just like

oh man everyone right now Cody can I kick you more that way real quick he wants to switch back a little more that way this way Cody

oh yeah just switch okay and then I'll check camera angles sorry anyways I can't believe you fucking came on this podcast bro I was shocked

we were all podcast angles. Sorry. We're checking. Anyways, I can't believe you fucking came on this podcast, bro. I was shocked. We're all podcast. Nick, kick your chair over that one more. There you go. You never told me to get closer to Cody. Well, last time we were like, let's talk about

video games and books and now you're like, fuck, these guys are just drilling me on getting canceled. I mean, they're friends. Blood Meridian and

Nazis. What's your favorite cryptid slur? Yeah, he're friends. Blood Meridian and Nazis. What's your favorite cryptid slur? Yeah, he didn't even say the cryptid part. He just said. If you could choose

your favorite heroes, the judge or Hitler, which one is it? Oh my God. If one cryptid deserves a slur, which one is it? He's just playing

with his watch because I'm going to make sure it's connected and then connected have you ever seen heather's mothman oh yeah that she wears yeah quality what's it say cody uh what is i i suck the mothman's dick in west virginia or something like that and all i got was a stupid t-shirt i Yeah, all I got was this stupid t-shirt. I'm like, stop wearing that around people. I'm going to start wearing that t-shirt. I sucked Tony Gonzalez' dick, and all I got was this stupid fucking t-shirt.

That's a good campaign shirt. I'm just not wearing that at all. And I lost my gun rights. Do we have the same understanding of what a campaign is? Yeah. Do we have the same understanding of what a campaign is? Let's sit here, fucker. You sound like my campaign manager. I feel like Isaiah is like,

I'm the smartest person in this room right now. No, no, not at all. I should not be here. I'm just the most scared. I just... I'm shocked at how well your campaign's going. Me too. It's almost like people appreciate you for being honest and not... Yeah, being a real person.

Yeah, that's fair. Also, having a politician that's not fucking 70 would be cool. Yeah. Not having somebody who's 75 and been fake for the last 50 years of their life is really cool. Understands how Wi-Fi works. Yeah. It'd be great. Maybe it's a good idea for the people that legislate what

Bitcoin is and how it can exist, understand what Bitcoin is. That'd be fucking fantastic. I'm not going to lie to you. So cryptos be fucking fantastic, I'm not gonna lie to you. So cryptids are fucking cool. I know, I was about to do it like, so what is your favorite cryptid? That's actually a really good question,

is which is one of your favorite stories you're looking forward to talking about with either Hunter or? I wonder what Wendigoon's favorite cryptid is. It could be something else. We don't know. It is the Wendigo, to be fair. Fuck you. Fuck you.

It's something else. Ask me what trade I worked in. Quick. Fuck. The chubby electronic guy? It's okay. You're not electronic. You asked me when I first met you.

That's true. I picked him up from the airport. I'm like, what'd'd you do before YouTube? You're such a big electron guy. Your answer was the best ever, though. So as far as tradesmen go, would you prefer skinny or fat? It was so awkward, man. I was just trying to, like, I'm an introvert.

I try to make small talk, man. I pick him up from the airport, and I'm like, what'd you do before YouTube? Oh, sure. I was an electrician, and Cody small talk, man. I pick him up from the airport, and I'm like, what did you do before YouTube? Oh, sure. I was an electrician, and Cody just goes, fuck. And then we sat in complete silence for what felt like seven fucking years. He's sitting there. He starts going like, stupid, stupid.

Internally. On that long drive to the podcast house. He's like, you fucked up, stupid. Internally. On that long drive to the podcast house. He's like, you fucked up, Cody. You're so stupid. You should have been so cool. I'm just going to veer off into a fucking truck right now. So what about electricity?

Fuck! Dude, the names that have come out of that are so funny. Out of the fat electrician? Yeah. Oh, God. The ones that they're leaving comments for. Chubby Electron Man. Dude, that's my favorite.

Chubby Electron Man. Obese Power Ranger. That's a funny slur for electricians. Power Rangers. Yeah, those have been pretty good don't reply to these i want to so bad those are great i love them outside of the windigo right right what else is like one of your stories where you're like this is dope I've talked about a couple of my favorites so far in that Iceberg series I'm covering. So like Mothman, the Flatwoods monster, stuff like that. There's a lot of fun ones like the Hodag. The Hodag's coming up.

That's a fun. There's like a little gremlin that runs around in caves. That's pretty fun. Well, it's crazy when you see how different cultures build out these creatures and then what they gravitate towards. That's what I like about them so much. there's very few that exist in isolation of anything like you can take any like legend like vampires for example right it's like vampires yeah we all know but the actual legend of those draws back from like old uh middle eastern beliefs around things that can uh remove the soul from someone else to gain its power. It also ties into early cults that would perform blood sacrifices, things like that.

And then that mixes in with stories of counts who live in manors. And it's like, yeah, the legend of the vampire exists, but it is the end point of so many different stories and ideas that created this one mythos. And that's what's really interesting to talk about with Gryffindors. Yeah, that's what I said. God, what a... I think you're like, why are you just warping every word I take for it? No, you are a true politician.

That's what I'm saying. Vote early, vote often. It's almost like I've been to D.C. I've been in the tunnels under the Capitol. So vampires are real, right? What did I say in this podcast that you're like a target? I've been to D.C. I've been in the tunnels under the Capitol. So vampires are real, right? What did I say in this podcast that you're like a target? It was almost like B-tier four years ago.

Oh, I see what's happened. What's that different? Like Krampus. Like Krampus Claus is a terrifying figure. Krampus Claus? Or Krampus. Krampus. I'm like Krampus Claus. Krampus Claus is a terrifying figure. Krampus Claus? Or Krampus. Krampus. Krampus Claus.

Krampus Claus over here. But it's a terrifying figure when you actually read the lore behind it. You're like, man, that's just... And they would say that to children. It's like, this dude's going to fucking murder you pretty much. Dude, German fairy tales are fucking wild. It's relatable, though. I brought my kids to the airport. They're one and two.

Let me tell you. Where's this going? I just... I would like a... They're gone. I would like a double blind scientific study on the exact amount of decibels you're allowed

to raise your voice in public where your kids get the message that you're serious but also strangers aren't going to look. That's what I want to know. It's different from you. What does that have to do with Krampus? We're talking about killing kids and you're like, I need to yell at them.

Whatever. My children are gone now. Krampus took them. You're threatening them with a Krampus clause. Can we do that? Yeah. My kids are young enough.

She's so scared. I'm so sorry. You're not even on camera. Just nod yes or no. Krampus was, that was a brown thing. But for children, like where the Mexican beauty were like, fucking, you go outside. Chupacabra. Yeah. Something's going to kill you. Okay.

So you behave or you die. Roger dad, I don't know why I'm terrified of life, but okay. Yeah. It's interesting a lot of like fairy tales were made for that specific reasons like the Hansel and Gretel classic ones like that they were like sure culminations of things like witchcraft paganism stuff like that but the effect of the tale was as a cautionary tale for children don't stray far from the village or the witch will get you and there's a lot of legends that kind of tie into that lore so tale as old as time i knew as soon as you leaned into your mic i was like oh wait was that a nice thing yeah he was yeah i was like he attacked you you you said something positive he was like fuck you brandon i'm so on edge i thought you were developing a muscle memory. You punch him in the face.

Never mind. You gave him PTSD. I'm over here like, Kayla's on his time. Okay, yeah, no, you fuck up. You know, you get taken by the fucking goblin. It's like he's about to fight. He wants to fight.

Something's going on. Do you want to fight? You want to take this outside? I'm going to fight my fucking son. It normally takes you a couple more drinks than that. Those are the best ones. Dad, not anymore. He can usually smell dad before pain comes.

Aw, damn. Dad smells weird. It's time to fight. Nah, fucking. Dad has home field advantage with alcoholism. Jesus. You got winded to give me like, what the fuck? You came on this podcast willingly.

When you got, I think going, what the fuck? You said, dad smells weird. It's time to come back. He's like, never coming back. This is the one and only episode.

It hurts me because you have one of the most infectious laughs. I know. In all of YouTube. It's so beautiful. As soon as you start laughing, I can't stop. I hate you so much. I love you. I love you too, son. He's going to pray tonight. He's like, I sinned today, Dad. I sinned so many times.

He's going to lead it right now. I wanted to kill a man. I haven't felt this in a long time. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, my favorite slur is. This is karma. For what, I don't know. But this is karma. For what, I don't know.

But this is karma somehow. Bro. I have to have deserved this somehow. I did or will deserve this. Yeah, absolutely. Was there a thought going or something? I don't know. It's gone now.

It was. It was leading somewhere. I'm over here just thinking, like, I hate the fact that my parents watch this podcast. Last thing I remember is... What the fuck do you think I'm thinking right now? Your parents are in a live studio audience. I'm trying not to slur right now. They're right there.

I don't want my dad to know I can fly. Guys, I'm coming. I'm sorry. You know, sometimes you have to remember these are the best times. One of my favorite episodes of all time. Brandon, best job I ever had. Best job I ever had, man. Okay, so...

I was trying to go towards more just the history on the cryptids. The cryptids and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Vampires and breadcrumbs and shit. more just the history on the the crypt the cryptids and stuff like that yeah yeah basically there's a lot of stories any story at the end of any folk tale any legend is is a an echo of like the cultures that came before the things that led up to it so like tales in the modern age it's one of the reasons I love The Windigo so much because it's a combination of all these different lores and beliefs

that have been passed down for centuries. But there's so many stories that operate that way that's kind of like the nexus point between a lot of ideas. It's one of the reasons I love a lot of modern internet horror so much, like the ARGs or the scary stories I cover. Because you'll see something that will be scary, effective, or what have you, but the blueprint for it, it can be traced back to movies that existed.

And then those movies came off of ideas and concepts in the realm of terror and then books and legends. And it's interesting to see how culture creates new content with these new blends of stuff that's been done. It's fascinating to look at a story from kind of a historic perspective. Because it's hard before the age of Internet and even television or radio even. It's like, how do you keep your kids in line? Well, something's going to fucking eat you if you go into the woods.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was like the Wendigo. The Goatman is one of the scariest. I don't know why that story, reading it for the first time, the Internet story, I'm sure you've read it. The Anasi Goatman, Anasi Goatman or whatever. Yeah, when they're like in the trailer and they're like,

yeah, there's the trailer, the cat noise let me in and all that, yeah. Yeah, and it's one of the most terrifying things. It's the idea of this monster or creature

that is with, when you're with groups of people in the woods, it blends in and becomes part of the community and no one knows that it's there.

So no one is like, oh, it's the extra friend at a knows that it's there so no one's like oh it's the extra friend at a party it's um your editor today and i was like yeah who the fuck is that guy like you're like i don't know him but normally be like oh it's goat man it's like a random guy at the bar last night yes like oh yeah nobody noticed he like kind of just incorporated himself into the community but like oh he's here which shout out to your editor one of the most fantastic aj love you aj you are fucking yeah crushing it crushing it aj but that's what that goat man story it is it's like hey they just have to adapt to a human they are a creature but they just adapt to fit in and it is terrifying to read the goat man himself is an interesting legend i mean we talked about

on the red thread so i won't belabor all the same points. But the short version is the Goatman has pieces of Old Testament demonology tied into the first legends of the Goatman. It started to rise in the 50s and 60s, tied into the Bible Belt culture of the eastern United States. And then it takes elements from a lot of the Native American legends around that. And it's interesting to see Goatman as like this culmination again of all these different ideas. The one thing that's fascinated me something I've been thinking about when it comes to like stories and horror is the concept of the mimic right so for example there's there's a lot of threads

that are kind of easy to trace where they come from, right? Like for example, liminal tear or like think of like the back rooms-esque. The horror is, it is an area that looks familiar, but is completely alien. It feels like it's not supposed to exist, but you've been there before. It's kind of like the stairs in the woods. It's a similar vibe and a different... Well, that's Mandela. That's Mandela. In fact, that's Mandela. That's Mandela. In fact, that's a little different. You got it. You got the spirit.

Chick-fil-A's his rib. He's like, there's letters. No, I've been here before, I swear. The rib? How do you spell chick-fil-A? Terror, terror. I thought you said the rib. I'm like, women terrify you that much? The rib. The rib? How do you spell the rib? Terror, terror. I thought you said the rib. I'm like, women terrify you that much?

The rib. The rib. Ah, you got that. I knew you would. It's always easier to derail a train when it's got square wheels. Just saying. But go on. But yeah, yeah.

So like stuff like that is easy to see because there's a... Oh, that's just loose. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. The rattling on the metal, it was fucking... Look, it was loose. I knew it. It wasn't making a mess. I knew, but it wasn't... I knew, but...

Speaking of square-locking wheels... I'm so sorry. I hate it. I was like, I just hear metal clicking. I'm so sorry. I hate it. I was like, I just hear metal clicking. I'm like. They just get up and leave this. I'm sorry. It's mine.

No more square wheels. This episode brought to you by autism. That's all episodes. The unofficial sponsor, actually. Anyways. Unofficially sponsor, actually. Anyways. Unofficially sponsored by autism? I mean, if you want to get technical. Christ.

So. Anyways, you want a beer? I'm good. I'll take it. I'll respect that limit, but that's the only one. Okay. So, like, stuff like that, like liminal whore, whatever, you can trace to, there was a lot of people, especially like people who are adults now, who have kind of these memories

of when they were growing up of maybe like empty shopping malls or of abandoned bus stations, stuff like that. Stuff where people are supposed to be, but they're not. It kind of gives an uncanny feeling. So like liminal spaces, you can look at that and you're like, yeah, i see where that comes from uh but the one that weirds me out is the mimic so like in a lot of different horror stories you hear the concept of mimicry mentioned a lot like oh it's a creature the wendigo gets the wendigo like the original legends don't have it the skinwalker does and a lot of people meld the two in their mind but the concept of like it's a creature that kills

someone then can mimic their voice. You've probably heard some horror story where like, guy gets killed and his friends are calling out and they can hear their friend's voice yelling back to them. But if something sounds weird,

sounds out of cadence. Think of the movie, what was the movie with the bear? I know exactly. Annihilation. Annihilation. Annihilation. Thank you.

Okay, bear. Annihilation is a good representation of that. When you hear the scream of a woman, you're like, ah, what is this? And then this fucking. Annihilation is a great movie overall. King Trout. Oh, dude, his Help Me. Oh, God.

We were in the middle of the fucking. You got to hear his Help Me. It was creepy as shit. We were in the middle of nowhere, like in uh like when uh demo ranch first bought his property right he can do well yeah because you're like if someone says help me in the woods like don't go towards that and he did one when we were out there at demos place and we're like holy shit that sounds weird because we there was a party like fucking 100 yards out. We lost 200 yards out. Like we just saw their fire and they were like all laughing or whatever.

And then he started doing his like help me shit. Just like super loud as hell. And they all quieted down. That's pretty good. They got silent. It was like. When it's slightly human, that's what makes it terrifying. That's why like annihilation, that bear when it's yelling or anything. Like it's the girl screaming. And then it walks in and you're like, that's what makes it terrifying. That's why, like, Annihilation, that bear when it's yelling or anything,

like, it's the girl screaming. And then it walks in and you're like, oh, what the fuck is this thing? Do your help me. When we were at Demo's place, you were just, help me. Oh, you guys told that story? Yeah. Go. Do it.

Go for it. Help me. Oh, that. It wasn't that? Yeah. I wasn't that? Yeah. I wasn't there. Ow. Sorry.

I was on a tethered way through a cigarette when I was so rudely interrupted. He was outside just like. I was busy. I'm going to take a bathroom break while he's doing that. Yeah, go pee pee. Go. Yeah, have fun listening to that on the mic. Do I just pretend? How are you going to pee pee? I don't know what you want to do. You can take it off if you want. I'm going to take a bathroom break while he's doing that. Yeah, have fun listening to that on the mic. Do I just perpetuate?

I don't know what you want to do. You can take it off if you want. I don't care. No, leave it. I've had worse. Do I make people turn into patrons? I'm uncomfortable. I'm going to get in the piss.

Dude, G-Van's like, he pisses so hard. I do remember the voice. I remember we were out at the ranch, and we were standing there, and we heard nightmarish noises coming from the wilderness, and Cody's son. So we heard the Texas goat, man. Yes. Turned to a, yeah, I forgot the very important part of the story.

When we heard what was completely indescribable, Cody's son turns to us and goes, what was that? And we all went, that was probably some animal or something, and then looked at each other and went. Horrifying. I kind of forgot that happened.

Did you kill Eli while I was in there? No, we're not. He fell, frankly, that's fine. I just came on and drilled everything. Yeah, okay. Where the fuck did you get a push light? There's a whole case. Did he get the impression?

I'm trying to... He did talk about the time that we all heard a cryptid, though. Oh, I know. He was talking about that and we yeah, we didn't. No, I'm sorry to disappoint you, Dad. I was going to ask you though, have you talking about that and we yeah No, I'm sorry to disappoint. Oh, I was gonna ask you though Have you heard about the CIA operation where they try to convince people that vampires were real made a video on it? Did you really? Your videos this one back to b plus a little bit of lore i listened to that video this is one of those weird

moments where you like just remember what you were doing at the time uh the day i made that fucking testimony before congress about the atf i woke up and and i took a shower and i i watched that video wow yeah your Yeah, your whole CIA. Yeah, and remember kids. The next time that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool.

That's awesome. I remember that. I was in Destin, Florida. It was just, yeah, weird as shit. You borderline testified before Congress. You know what, man? A tier. Just for that.

A tier. Listen here, motherfucker. You call me beat her again. You're not a real fan. That was called sympathy. That was called sympathy. Oh, no. You got sympathy upgraded.

Whoa, whoa. Oh, boy. Go, go, go, go. Are you going to go get more? More on the cryptid. I never thought I'd see Brandon Herner do that. A 57th time. Oh, wow.

Original. Everyone should know Brandon. Brandon, I've been right here. What are you talking about? He's been targeting me the whole show. No, no, no. We're not targeting you. You're just part of the Fring Group.

This is how we all feel. What was I talking about before I went to the bathroom? The cryptic and the mimic. The mimic. I had a point to make with that. A lot of horror stories, you can trace where it came from and you can be like, this came from that.

Makes sense, right? The mimic's an interesting one to me because there are stories of mimicry that date all the way back to, like, ancient cultures, right? In various parts of the world. In various parts of the world, too. You guys didn't talk to each other back then. Exactly. That's kind of weird. Exactly.

Like, there were legends of creatures that would, like, appear as man in, like, you know as man in various South American cultures. There are Middle Eastern cultures that would have legends of things that make the voice of a human to lure you away. And it's like, what was the inception of that, right? There's an origin point for all these different stories. Why was that so? Go ahead. Whatever. I know. I'm watching these two rub beards looking at each other like he's fucking calling me out over here you don't need this like what was the original

inception point for those stories right like what is it that can you make that what was the thing that we're supposed to be afraid of right because? Because, like, with liminal spaces and stuff, the thing that we're afraid of is, like, the desolation, the lack of people. If, like, cities are abandoned, something's gone wrong. If we're afraid of, like, zombies are a good example. If we're afraid of people diseased and sickly and violent, something's gone wrong. So, what was the thing that went wrong that led to mimicry becoming such a thing across all these different tribes?

Dude, that's just liminal,inal like or however you say it is very amazing that you say it like that because it is terrifying when everything's just it is nothing's there everything's the same but there's no escape for it yeah there isn't like an unending maze and you're like ah something fucked up and i do not like this yeah yeah real question isn't that the uncanny valley like it is yeah yeah okay so the uncanny valley is typically like when you hear it in application it's referring to like uh appearance like visual appearance but it would also apply to voices stuff like that an uncanny voice stuff like that like generally speaking in theory that's why people are scared of like a dummy or yeah or whatever because it's like a human but it's not yeah yeah there's there's

this thing that keeps coming back to me maybe i'll make a video on it one day i just need to like hone my thoughts in about it a bit more but there's this thing that i keep thinking about when it comes to horror cultures legends all that stuff that across our history there seems to be like a monster in the closet right like whatever Like whatever the group of people were, wherever they are there, they share these characteristics. There is always like for, okay, for example, psychedelics, right? People who like take extreme psychedelics like DMT, they'll start to describe seeing the same creatures over and over. They'll start to describe having the same experiences. It's like the hat voices. Yeah. Similar to the hat man same experiences. It's like the hat voices.

Yeah. Similar to the hat man, stuff like that. Right. They, all these different cultures have voices like stories of a voice or a thing. So like the things that go bump in the night, everywhere they were for some reason, it sounds like they were talking about the same things. So what has this thing been that we keep tapping on the glass of that we it's shielded from us, but we keep getting closer. We keep putting our hands up against it. Do you know what that is? Yeah, but the way you just explained it

is absolutely fucking terrifying. Where it's like, we all know it. We're tapping the glass. What is it? Because we all see it briefly. It's out through dreams or whatever. Everyone is seeing the same image of the same man. And you're like, oh, yeah, this is normal.

And here's the thing, right? So sure, there's been a glass wall. There's been some kind of barrier protection. We see glimpses of it, but we've never lived with it, right? But then there's all these new studies into dream theory, stuff like that. Scientists estimate in the next couple decades we can control dreams. We can effectively program what we see when we sleep. There's stories with AIs

that we can create AI that's able to basically use all the information it has to create new theories, new ideas, stuff like that. So it can pull things out of an aether that we used to have to work for, but now we don't have to work for. And it can produce new images, new monsters, things that have not existed until it consumes them. So with all, we keep tapping on the glass what happens when it breaks effectively. What happens when we do step too far? I find myself thinking about that. Like what if we find the monster in the closet?

Yeah. That's horrible to think about. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad I could take the mood down. I mean, it's such a good question because everyone, as're saying has their own monster in the closet and a lot the craziest thing is a lot of our monsters look exactly the same without ever communicating

about it Nick said he doesn't know what the hat man is that's Benadryl right? yeah the Benadryl hat man so if people chug a bunch of fucking Benadryl right? we would never condone that on this podcast well it ruins your liver and kidneys and you're going to be destroyed for life People chug a bunch of fucking Benadryl, right? Well, we would never condone that on this podcast because that's ridiculous.

Well, it ruins your liver and kidneys, and you're going to be destroyed for life. You'll also have a tiny cock, but other than that, yeah. Halfway there. I don't even need to buy Benadryl. That was funny. That was good. I don't even need Benadryl. There's no targets.

There's no life. I don't even know Ben and Drew. I don't even know if it was a joke. For the fourth time today, I've looked to the left and seen the disapproving look of your wife. Join the club.

Every time I'm naked. She just held up her pinky. That's what's up. I thought, I'm not going to scare me. Jesus fucking Christ. Ha! But that's what's amazing

about human psychology. It is. Everyone can have a reference close to the same image or nightmare. Yeah. And then you can reach across the pond

and somebody you have no reference or no connection with they're like yeah i've seen the same thing where they'll draw it out and it's very close imagery it's so it so like the way i tie back because i'm religious because i'm a christian i think about it in connected connection with religion stuff like that right like it's like old testament before you know time of faith is all that when we existed in the time of law by my beliefs. Like in the Old Testament, things were much more literal on earth. It wasn't the Holy Spirit dwelling with man.

It wasn't like the unseen realm. It was the seen realm. Rather than, you know, demons and angels interacting invisibly on earth, they were physical. They appeared before man. They spoke to them, stuff like that. Like a lot of Christians overlook the fact that, yeah, Moses could perform miracles from God, but Pharaoh's sorcerers also performed miracles. They also had ways to perform magic and things like that. Where did they get that from? And it makes me think a lot of questions to myself, like, are we having, is there a collective memory we're forgetting that maybe

demons, if they existed, contacted us at one point maybe they lived with us maybe there was something like man something that was a bit adjacent to them that existed like perhaps the nephilim is mentioned in the bible or something like that something that no longer exists we are all afraid of something we've forgotten and it keeps popping up in our stories and i think about that a lot it's it's like the ghost of a story. Could you say giants? Like giants, yes. Exactly like giants. On your fucking Afghani caves and shit? I think, Eli, you were telling me. Yeah, yeah.

Kandar, right? Is that? Yeah, yeah. It's all these little things. Canabar? Especially biblical. Canabar. You have that, too.

The angels do all these things where it's like, I sent that meme, I think, to the group where it's like, oh, maybe not. It's an angel appearing like a real, like a biblical angel, and it's like. The ophanim, the eyes and the wings. Yeah, but it's like, maybe not. It is, it's an angel appearing like a real, like a biblical angel and it's like, The ophanim, the eyes and the wings. Yeah, but it's a meme,

so it's like, I'm an angel, blah, blah, blah. Be not afraid. Yeah, and it's the Jesus ring. You're the fucking most terrifying thing

I've ever seen in my life. Hey bro, I'm kind of drunk, you terrifying as fuck, what's up angel? So it's like, it was opposite because biblically,

angels aren't like this. Like, hey, we hot as shit. That would be more on this side of Lucifer, where it's like, hey. You know, it's interesting. So like the angels, there's different types of angels. I've talked about this in videos before, but like there's different types of angels as explained in the Bible. But we're never given clarification as to like, is this different forms angels can take? Or do they always exist? Is this one kind of thing? Who knows, right? But is this different forms angels can take or do they always exist as this one kind of thing? Who knows, right? But there are different forms they take. And the way I see

it is that God always knew what was needed for the scenario. When an angel comes to speak to Gideon to tell him he needs to lead an army, he comes to this young boy as a man appearing as a human telling him, several times in the Bible, they have to tell people they're angels. They appear and they say, oh, I'm an angel, because it's not readily apparent. They appear as the form of a man. So sometimes it's that, and sometimes like... Other times you get the, be not afraid. Sometimes, like in the book of Ezekiel, when he has the visions as he describes, wheels upon wheels of fire with eyes, and the noise they made sounded as thunder and

rumbling mountains. Sometimes it's like that. Whatever the scenarios needed is what appears. So is this the forms angels can take? Are these different kind? Who knows? But what's fascinating about that... It's also, you're like, hey, Jesus, what's up? I'm just trying to talk to you. Hey, what the fuck? What? Calm down, bro. I'm just an angel just floating here got my angel wings got my eyes chilling now

I can't remember what it was it might have been supernatural it might have been supernatural or something but it was like there's a reason the first thing we ever say is be not afraid yeah you're fucking terrifying why'd you sound like

Castile when you said that? I found a liquor store and I drank it. I don't believe the babysitter loves the pizza man. I'm trying to hear a Wendigo episode. What's fascinating about that?

I'm getting a live episode right now. Cody's like, shut up! I'm interested in this. Why does the pizza man love the babysitter? What's fascinating... Can we unplug this guy? Am I back down to beats here? Yeah. His mouse

clicker's like, C. What's fascinating about that, Cody? His mouse clicker is like, see. What's fascinating about that, Cody, is that in the Bible, so it's like God always knew the tool that was needed for the job, right? Sometimes a show of power, sometimes a show of love, stuff like that, right? Sometimes somewhere in between, like the heavenly host, like a series of angels singing angelic, both powerful but comforting, stuff like that, right? What's fascinating about that is if the angels can take on these forms, if they have these, and if the way that

Lucifer exists is he decided to rival God and was cast out of hell and it says a third of the angels fell with him, then what do they look like? What forms can they take on? They're no longer connected to the divinity of God. They no longer have unlimited dominion as described by the prophets, but they do have some power. Like I said, Pharaoh's sorcerers could perform miracles, and they got those abilities from somewhere.

So what does this bastardized, broken piece of divinity look like when it wants to put power over people? Could sometimes they appear as people? Yeah. Could sometimes they appear as something a little less or a little different than people? Yeah. And in my mind, that's what... They were jealous of us, like mortality as a whole. And were they jealous of our look or how we look? Was it demons or was it Satan himself was jealous of humanity? Well, so to finish that thought real quick,

maybe a lot of these stories we have, like I said, the monster in the closet, maybe a lot of that comes from them, what they used to look like, what they used to behave. Now the thing around the jealousy of the devil and stuff like that, a lot of that isn't expressly biblical. A lot of that comes't expressly biblical. A lot of that comes from scholars' beliefs that came afterwards. The Catholic Church has its own iconography and lore based around the early saints and

the early popes and stuff like that, but I'm not Catholic and I don't really ascribe to a lot of their beliefs. Sure, some of the stuff they said I think was wise, but on a whole I've got a lot of issues with it, which, duh. But I've expressed it before on the channel. Not a big fan of the office or whatever. I love how you so casually throw out a sentence that would have gotten you fucking burned at the stake.

Oh, I would have been executed like 500 years ago. He's a witch! Drowned him. He's a nut. Wow, do you remember how Joan of Arc had it? That was super cool. She was human. Oops.

If they're dead, they're cool. Yeah, that's how it went most of the time. But a lot of it comes from, like, not expressly Catholic, but people that stories after. So a lot of our modern characterization of Lucifer comes from a lot of paganism that a lot of the time wasn't like expressly satanic. But in our hindsight, we've kind of ascribed it to be. Figures like Baphomet, for example, aren't expressly religious or satanic. But because it's like the image of the goat's head or whatnot and sacrifice people like tie the two together in their memory how many times the Lucifer mentioned in the Bible how much I think it's just once

yeah yeah Lucifer Lucifer the more it's describing him as Lucifer the Morning Star yeah because he was described as the most beautiful in all of heaven yeah most people don't even know that it is one time lucifer's name yeah yeah actually isn't like isn't baphomet like barely biblical uh actually not biblical so like if i if i recall there's humans are weird we're like have you ever heard of fucking demon goat satan yeah no no no that being said there is a lot of demons mentioned by name in the bible there's like well again i'm kind of ascribing the belief a lot of these lesser gods or false gods were demons in effect. So with that in mind, there's Baal, there's Dagon, there's Moloch, stuff like that, which there's debate around if Moloch actually was real or not, but that's a whole other topic.

God, I could listen to this. I know, I was thinking the same thing. It's like, keep going. I'm almost there. No, no, no, he's going to you. I know, I was thinking the same thing. It's like, keep going. I'm almost there. No, no, no, he's going to talk. And drop a tear. Back to you. Thank you, thanks, appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah, C tier, anyways. Good old yes tier. I'm going to move my way up, man. Damn. I'll keep adding letters. We'll keep going. You'll be Z tier. I'll make some up after up, man. Damn. I'll keep adding letters. We'll keep going. You'll be Z-tier. I'll make some up after that.

So, G-tier Brandon. So, like, with a lot of these stories around, like, demonology and whatnot, a lot of it's ascribed by stuff that came after. So, like, people ascribe a lot of paganism to demonology. Like, one of the reasons Lucifer specifically is depicted as like, or I guess I shouldn't say Lucifer, the devil is depicted as he is, is because of a lot of stories around paganism and whatnot. So like as the devil is described in the Bible, which one, by the way, he's never called the devil in the Bible. And the word demon is never used in the Bible. Demon's a Greek

word. It came afterwards. It describes the fallen angels, which is what they're called. The word demons came later, comes off the word demos or all that. And Lucifer is described as Satan, which means the opponent. He's described as Lucifer. He's described as the accursed one, stuff like that. But he's never like the word for demons is devils or spirits or stuff like that, stuff along those lines. So the reason that now we see the devil as like the figure with like goat hooves and horns and all that stuff, it comes from a lot of paganism. Like there was a lot of early church beliefs, specifically Catholic-like beliefs within the church when they saw pagans worshiping like figures figures of baphomet or making idols to them they ascribed it to demonology and kind of the two kind of started

to twist together or melt together and that was that's not even for the bad stuff it is for the positive stuff the yule log anything's like that yeah the burning christmas things like that it it was from paganism and they adopted those for a more natural progression for hey we are adopting christianity we are adopting catholicism hey how do we do that this is the gr the easiest way yeah yeah using what they're already known or what these people or these little areas are known for we're going to adapt that into our own ideologies and then let that flourish yeah yeah there's there's a lot of combination melody and stuff like that wasn't always like yeah. There's a lot of combination, melody and stuff like that. It wasn't always expressly evil. As a matter of fact,

most of it wasn't even intentional. It was just the figureheads that were seen. And like I explained earlier, with a lot of the Old Testament imagery being of if these false gods could be considered demons, what's considering a lot of them

involved child sacrifice. I'm kind of cool with saying, yeah, probably. So you have all these, you have these false gods it was widely regarded as a bad move like you have all these false gods that uh can perform miracles and demand like blood sacrifices so people assume those to be demons those took on the form of animal dagon was a sort of fish bale was a sort of ox So in a way it's almost kind of serendipitous that the eventual symbol of the devil was that of like the goat's head, of the horns and stuff like that. It's kind

of like history correcting itself down the line years later. But a lot of our descriptions of like what you said, like he was jealous, he wanted that, that comes from a lot of early members of the church and stories they told. So for the big one, the one that's had the biggest impact on the devil in modern cult, other than like pagan So for the big one, the one that's had the biggest impact on the devil in modern cult, other than like paganism making the goat head imagery and all that, other than that one of the biggest symbols that changed how we

view Lucifer was Paradise Lost, which was written by John Milton. I made a whole video going into that spiel or whatever. The Milton theory. G-band here, right over Brandon's face. Over G-tier. The Milton's theory. G-man here, right over Brandon's face. Over G tier. Oh, fuck you.

We skipped a lot there. Brings me into one of my biggest questions. What is the difference between the Bible Lucifer, Bible devil versus what people picture the devil to be now? So, in the Bible, the devil... be now so um in the bible the devil well you know you yeah you know but like

between like what the bible actually says and what bible verses actual so in the bible uh when the devil is mentioned when he's discussed it is the opponent right which is the best way to describe one of the verses i believe it was paul who described him as the prince of the air, talking about that he has dominion over this world. This world is sin tainted and therefore he has control over it, which is the reason we experience death, problems, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. World not perfect all the time. You get that. Um, so the devil is responsible for those things in that he introduced sin to the world, but it was our choice to partake in sin. It was not forced upon us.

We accepted it. By free will, we chose to bite off the apple. We chose to enact our free will in both good and bad ways. So the devil's objective in the world is not to be a scary face you see in the dark at night. It's not to be a predator that gets you killed as quick as he can to just like slaughtering people or whatnot. Is that an end effect of it? Sure. But really, the devil's objective is to just turn you away from God. Now, is the better way of doing that, being evil, being awful, or is it giving people what they need outside of him? So a lot of times, as it's shown in the Old Testament and New Testament, the devil isn't

someone who just slaughters, kills randomly. He gives riches. Like I mentioned, Pharaoh, rich man who has all this magic, all these powers that was given to his sorcerers and whatnot, he gives them exactly what they need because as long as they don't need God, then he's won. That's what he has. The devil knows how the book ends. He knows the prophecies. He knows that according to scriptures, that one day he'll be defeated by the Archangel Michael. Sin will be no more. It will all be over. But why fight? Because he can take as many people with him as he can in that amount of time. He knows it's a losing battle, but he can make other people lose as well. Communism, Nick. That's the new age.

Well, it's taking a new form, too. You're trying to upset me right now. I wanted to get you to think so that it's relatable. Because it's taking a new form. It's the exact same thing. It's like, how do I... I'm mad. ...pull as many people as possible.

I'm mad at how much sense that made, actually. I'm upset. So, basically, the modern depiction of the devil is as, like... I mean, you could call it a cryptid almost, right? Something violent, something that wants to kill you, run your car off the road. The devil is a cryptid. Stuff like that.

I love the episode. I love a cryptid. There you are, standing car off the road. Stuff like that. The title of the episode. The Devil is a Cryptid. There you are, standing in a bread line. You live in a country that doesn't like vowels. They've gone like seven layers deeper than you need to. Poland, Hungary, ugh. no no that's not what i'm saying look what you've done eli you derailed everything again we finally got back on track okay back on track no i was learning you fucked it up Now we're here. I mean, I was at the end of that tangent anyway. Basically, the main difference is that the devil's goal is not to be evil.

It's that to be a provider, just one that is away from God, something to point you in a different direction. The Antichrist, for example, as mentioned in Revelation, is not a figure, I mean, by cause and effect he is, but he's not a figure that directly brings death or chaos into the world. It says in the end times, he's the one who unites the world. He's a leader that the people love and will do whatever he says. He's not expressly evil. He's just a different direction than that of returning to the creator, than that of salvation. Because ultimately, like if you look across the entire

Bible, really the whole of Christianity, the point is that we were made to be companions with God. In the Garden of Eden, God walked and talked with us every day we were we were his friends he wanted us he gave us free will because to have that companionship to have that closeness and we chose to separate ourselves from that so then rather than being cast out from other rather than God smiting us and starting over he says all right you get a second chance you have have this life. You can do whatever you want with it. And throughout your life, you can choose to turn away from me or turn back towards me. And if at the end of your life, you've chosen to turn back towards me, then we'll be together again. The reunion of the spirit, the reunion in the air. It's in that way, death to a Christian

is not like something to be feared. Of course, it's something to mourn. We miss loved ones. But in actuality, it's a return to what we were meant for. That's the beauty of it. So all Satan can do is make sure that doesn't happen to point us back the other direction. So that's effectively his goal in this life. He knows how the story ends. He can just have a say in where we end up in that.

Or really, he can give us the tools to give us the say. We still have the free will of choosing which way we go, either that be with God or with the opponent, so to speak. God. Jesus. Gosh darn. Man, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. I got you, bro. I was like, wait, hold on, Eli. Stop. I was like, Jesus. No. Pull that one back. Gosh darn. Cody, would you like to wholesomely lead us out of this podcast? I'd like to go to heaven. Dude, it's so well-spoken. I don't know how to stop that. You just closed it off, Cody. It was so beautifully said. Bye, everyone. Thank you for joining the Unsubscribe Podcast today.

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