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Episode Date: June 24, 2024

#1 New York Times Bestselling Author & Former Navy Seal Sniper Jack Carr joins us to talk about working with Chris Pratt on The Terminal List and his new book Red Sky Mourning! Watch this episode ad-free and uncensored on Pepperbox! https://www.pepperbox.tv/ WATCH THE AFTERSHOW ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/UnsubscribePodcast FREE TO USE MEDIA: (please tag/credit us when you post!) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uppmQHMGf8uI2OuOatp932e3S2VGy0PE ------------------------------ THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS! GHOSTBED Right now GhostBed is offering 50% off everything if you use the code –UNSUBSCRIBE at checkout or https://www.GhostBed.com/Unsubscribe MANSCAPED Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with code UNSUB at https://manscaped.com PURIDY DEBT Get a free debt analysis right now at https://PDSDebt.com/unsub ------------------------------ FOLLOW JACK! https://www.officialjackcarr.com/ https://www.instagram.com/jackcarrusa https://x.com/JackCarrUSA https://www.youtube.com/@JackCarrUSA BUY US A DRINK! https://paypal.me/UnsubscribePodcast UNSUB MERCH: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/unsubscribe-podcast CHECK OUT: https://outofregz.com/ CODE: UNSUB ------------------------------ FOLLOW THE HOSTS: Eli_Doubletap https://www.instagram.com/eli_doubletap/ https://www.twitch.tv/Eli_Doubletap https://x.com/Eli_Doubletap https://www.youtube.com/c/EliDoubletap Brandon Herrera https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonHerrera https://x.com/TheAKGuy https://www.instagram.com/realbrandonherrera Donut Operator https://www.youtube.com/@DonutOperator https://x.com/DonutOperator https://www.instagram.com/donutoperator The Fat Electrician https://www.youtube.com/@the_fat_electrician https://thefatelectrician.com/ https://www.instagram.com/the_fat_electrician https://www.tiktok.com/@the_fat_electrician ------------------------------ unsubscribe pod podcast episode ep unsub funny comedy military army comedian texas podcasts #podcast #comedy #funnypodcast #military history Chapters: 0:00 Welcome To Unsub! 7:55 Jack’s Military Background 17:59 Cody’s BUDS Story 21:16 AD 22:21 Jump School 26:48 D-Day & Normandy 36:40 Hollywood & Pew Pews 44:45 Demetrious Johnson 47:02 AD 48:16 9/11 & Jack’s Deployments 55:98 Military Differences in World War 2 1:00:24 Jack’s New Book & The Terminal List Series 1:04:48 Meeting Chris Pratt 1:11:17 Our Deployments 1:18:05 AD 1:19:18 Brandon’s Collection 1:23:40 How Jack Became An Author 1:30:09 The Terminal List Amazon Show 1:45:33 World War 2 & History 1:51:23 Unsub Fam Is The Best 1:56:06 Jack’s Next Book Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Jack's like, oh god, what did I sign up for? I'm gonna have another drink. Brandon, where's your popper? Oh. There we go. Nice. Mr. Jack, we have a tradition where we count down. You're gonna have to pop this one.

We have to count down from three and then at one we pop that thing to have to pop this one. We have to count down from three, and then at one, we fucking pop that thing. Three, two, one. Oh, look at that. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Mr. Eli Dulletap, the amazing Jack Carr,

Brandon Herrera, and myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for watching our bullshit. We're still here. We're still here. We're still here. That's quite an intro. And look at that voice. Man, it's so good. That's why we asked you to come radio.

Yeah. It's fantastic. Gosh, I don't have that voice. You know, I can't listen to myself. I can't watch myself. I fucking hate watching myself, too. Well. I can't.

Yeah. I've never watched an episode of this, and I will never watch. And if I'm in one of your videos, I will not watch that video. I'm a masochist because I watch every single thing we do, but not because I love it, but because I'm criticizing myself the whole time. Like,

what did you do? You talk too much. You did like, I am my own worst critic. In the congressman, did you, uh, did you watch interviews and go back and see what you could have done

better? Yes. That sort of thing. Oh, even better. If I fuck something up, I didn watch interviews and go back and see what you could have done better? Yes. That sort of thing? Oh, even better. If I fucked something up, I didn't have to go back. Oh, well, people let you know. Yeah. My opponent would let you know.

Yeah. Would let me know that I fucked something up. How about the smaller tweaks? Like if you're watching, you're like, ah, right there, I should have said this. You know what? I can weave into this next time. Toward the end, we just did so much media that it was hard to watch. Yeah.

When so much starts happening, same things. When you start out you're like okay i'm gonna watch this everyone listen to this one and now i don't listen to anything or watch anything at all it's just it's gonna be also i know that i'm never gonna get better at it like i'm not gonna be smooth ever so i'm not gonna try to be smooth i'm just gonna be me which also i think helps out with that authenticity thing today which is different than being 1985, 1995, where maybe some of that smoothness would have been okay. Cause there was nothing else to really look at, but now you just be yourself.

And so I'm just going to do that. And I feel like you kind of, you, you get it to this degree too, because you're again, having to do like a lot of press tours and things like that. You know how you kind of get in a groove where you're saying the same shit over and over.

People ask the same questions, which I hope we're not going to do this. Nice. No, no. Hey, hopefully we explore some new territory but yeah we can do that we should have it's hard it's like the hardest part is it was the live shows where we had kind of the same routine and we just flew that was a weird dynamic where we just went into that and we're like oh

this is why live show comedians will have a routine and they stick to that routine. And live show, we really got it hammered by Dallas and everyone was like, joke, joke, joke, joke. We'd have little in-betweens in there. But you leave room for improv. Yeah, improv, fun. But you have your main jokes. Other than that, it's weird as shit doing. Like a live show. You're on stage when you're talking about doing a live show?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Sold out theater. We did the podcast live four times recently. I've heard of people doing that but i've never seen it so it's uh you're on a stage and it's just kind of like a 500 people just watching you yeah sold out all of them were sold out we went dallas austin san antonio and houston yep and dallas was the big one oh fuck and it's just this community just you

walk out everyone's roaring and then no way it's an interactive podcast i forgot to tell you guys like two days ago i had a nightmare that we had another live show and there was like 20 people in the audience out of like 500 empty seats it was genuinely fucking like it was a nightmare do people ask questions or is it like you have a guest a different guest at each one or is it like we do stuff like that like we we had uh angry cops at one of them we had meat canyon we had a we had a couple different guests. We'd rotate guests depending on if they were used to being on stage. We had the magicians, Chris, Ramsey, and Wes Barker.

They were magicians, so they were really good on stage. But Angry Cops and Meat Canyon were like peak comedy because everyone just plays off each other. And then we're drinking. We're interacting with the crowd. And Angry Cops going through asking people about their offender's superpower, which we will get to later. Offender's superpower. We'll get to that later. I obviously did not prep for this at all. No.

It's good. It's a little dry for that. We're going to move it up a little bit before we get into the offenders. Oh, man. So when you bring somebody like that on and do a live show, is it bringing partial of their audience to it as well? Or is it mostly you guys' audience? How does that surprise? And me, Canyon, who has a massive audience, he was a surprise guest no one knew about until he showed up on stage.

And people were like, what the fuck? Okay. Angry Cops, we gave him. But since, I mean, these guys have like 5 million, 4 million subs across. They're doing fine with audience. So people show up and just have a blast nice and we have an amazing community take a shot yeah it's it is uh they just kick ass and they just cover down if we're going to live shows or doing like charity stuff. Yeah. They just fucking go above and beyond on everything. What did we just do for autism?

We raised $110,000 by selling shirts. So we sold merch and, uh, we cleared $110,000 and donated it all towards three nonprofits. Nice. Has Jackson your shirt? Oh yeah. Full metal spectrum.

Okay. We make offensive autism. Okay. My son has autism. We're not. Okay. There you go. We make offensive autism shorts. Okay. There you go. My son has autism. We're not just like coming out like, ha ha, fucking autistic pit. We do good by being offensive. I think it's what we do here.

Love it. Are there places like comedy clubs where people have to come in and do like two drink minimum type thing at tables or is it just like a theater or is there drinking involved out there or just up on the stage? It's mostly just like a beer. Like people pre-party for it and come in like one of them was at a brewery the rest were bars like oh perfect do we still i mean it was like four four or five hundred seats per venue it was pretty good that was fun it was awesome that was the most

like doubt because none of us have done that at that point and then we're not we don't train on like stage we talk to fucking cameras we can talk to millions of people like right here easy second there is 500 people you're like the crowd's filling up and you're like oh cody loves audiences yeah i completely love talking in front of an audience it's your favorite no it was a man no fucking hated it yeah it was horrible it was his nightmare how come you didn't feel like the energy from them or you just made me nervous i don't yeah i don't speak in front of audience like yeah you know each one of my videos gets between like a million and three million views per video and i'm happy just like talking to my camera yeah but as soon as i'm in front of 500 people i was just like i

don't know what to do with my hands oh that's it that beautiful voice you heard at the beginning that hi everyone we had so many talks I'm like you gotta get the intro you know Cody just remember you just gotta start with your life he'd sit down it's become a meme like the Like when he starts out with the, hi everyone. Hi everyone. Really?

He's got to put like a camera there and just pretend that. Yeah. I should have done that. You guys should have set up a fake camera. Yeah. He doesn't have to be on. Just have it there. Everyone has GoPros on their head.

The audience is ready. Just watch it. I'm comfortable now. I don't like speaking in front of audiences. Like I hate that. It feels like kind of like a monkey dance type thing, you know, get on stage and do it. So I hate that.. I don't like speaking in front of audiences. I hate that. It feels kind of like a monkey dance type thing, get on stage and do it. So I hate that. But I like conversations in front of people or taking questions from an audience because then you know at least one person is interested in what you have to say.

Otherwise, you're up there talking. Someone asks you to do a leadership thing, which I don't do anymore. But I did it a couple of times at the beginning, and I just hated it. Oh, I hate it. You were going to do it. Because you're like, if you can't figure this out, it's very basic stuff. And I'm kind of thinking the whole time in my head like if you can't figure this out like this none of this is going to help you what was like when you're coming because it's a good segue to you

had to speak when you went from nco but then when you went to officer you more have to get in front and talk to like platoons or teams what was where you're like i'm comfortable i am no longer comfortable now this is really big audience yeah i totally that's a great question because i totally remember this in that i thought i was very comfortable as an enlisted guy talking in front of the platoon or to the officers or whatever having the whole thing but it was different when i became an officer and for the first time i thought i've done it a million times before i briefed a ton of times before being the the calm guy and the sniper or whatever brief from my parts to the the op

Whatever its training or real world, but then it was different when all of a sudden you're there as the oh and everyone's just like Looking at you It's like a different kind of interaction Then when you're just like the e-dog up there and you're talking and you're just like it's more like it like interaction like this But then when you walk in is though it's like like at first I guess Like but then I guess to know you it's like like at first i guess maybe yeah like but then after i get to know you it's like totally different so that's the only thing i'm thinking of right now is the time like before people knew me like i got to a platoon uh with with newer guys in it and i had been around for a while

so i'm coming to them but i hadn't gone like through the training with them because i was a little farther removed at that point so i distinctly remember being in there and getting nervous being like oh just why am i i shouldn't be nervous right now. I've done it a gazillion times before. But for whatever reason, it was just a different dynamic. And then it switches and gets fine after that. Super easy. How long were you enlisted before you went off? Six and a half years.

OK. So you joined in 94? 96. 96. I'm in 96. And then I. And was one. What's that?

He was a one-year-old. All year old all right seriously i know it's it's it's a thing if that if that yeah it's a thing when you meet when you start talking to people who were like born in 2001 and 2002 2003 and you're like still it's still 20 years old talking to people that i see on the day-to-day that weren't born when 9-11 happened it's crazy like jesus do you even have a soul it's wild yeah it's where were you when the world stopped turning yeah the way like what you know yeah they don't even yeah it's totally it's totally bizarre but uh yeah it six and a half years enlisted and then if i if september 11th had happened let's say in february like february 11th instead of 2001 that i don't think I would have gone the officer route,

but I already had my package in. It was already through, approved, had my OCS class update after getting back from that deployment, so it was kind of already happening. But had September 11th happened a few months earlier, there's no way I would have gotten that. Cody, so you did BUDS when you were – how long were you in before you went into BUDS?

Just through boot camp, and then you have to go to do your MOS. I think they call it an A school in the Navy, but it's the same thing. Your specialty, for those listening or watching. And so mine was Intel. So I did that for way longer than one would need to, like 16 weeks. Having read all the Tom Clancy growing up, I distinctly also remember just thinking. It was still all uh weird yeah so but it was still all like uh like cold war stuff even though it was 1996 it was still the silhouettes of submarines

silhouettes of ships planes that you had to identify and that sort of a thing so uh i remember having like tom complancy like companion books and all that stuff back in the day so i think just reading all that stuff really prepared me for intel school and that I think I could have opted out. Like some things you can, what is it called when you opt out of something? You can just like take the test and not have to go to class when you, what is that called?

Cody was Navy. Yeah, I don't remember. Well, something, I don't know if it was Navy or not, or just like in life in general, where you take a test and you don't have to do the thing. Like in college, it's like clapping. Maybe something like that. Yeah, something like that.

So I could have done that, I feel like. But anyway, right to Bud's. Got there in January, 97. Oh, you went in January? Yeah, something like that. So I could have done that, I feel like. But anyway, right to Bud's. Got there in January 97. Oh, you went in January? Yeah, it was a little cold. Yeah. I like it now. Good old winter class.

I like it now. Yeah, so I had the winter class, and I do think there is a difference. I mean, for all the summer class people. I always said, from when you first explained it to me, it should be scored differently. Like winter versus summer class, like holy shit. The fact that you get sent into whatever class you winter versus summer class, like holy shit. The fact that they just like, you get sent into whatever class you're in. Yeah, I never thought about it.

Yeah, I didn't think about it until I got there. And then you hear stories about people who didn't make it through, either quit or got hurt or whatever. But then they start trying to time it to get back for a summer class. I heard of this. I don't know if it actually ever happened or not,

or if it was just like urban myth. But you try to time it for that summer class so you get that summer hell week um but I like now I like having a winter hell week that was pretty cool and it was just uh yeah a little chilly but now no one can say anything you know define cool looking back it's like one of those things like looking back on things obviously you know things that are that are hard when you look back on it they're awesome in the middle of it. That's what we call it. I do fun. Okay.

That's it. So you look back on it. Awesome. In the middle of it, maybe not so much, but I think it was for me because I thought about it for so long. Like that's all I wanted to do for my whole entire life. And I knew that afterward I'd write, but I knew you had to do the military side first just because you're going to get too old.

So, uh, so I was in the exact place that I wanted to be testing myself exactly the way that i dreamed of and now here it is so i kind of so i like that aspect of it and then also i was thinking about all the all the things that people have done that are so much more difficult than buds uh thought back to like world war ii and guys running over the beaches at normandy and i'm like well i can do a few more push-ups in the sand here in coronado california uh tonight yeah it's a little chilly, but I'm not doing that. It's not Iwo Jima. It's not Normandy. I'm not crashing a glider into northern France on June 6th. So I put it in relative terms. I even thought about the Vietnam guys, like back with whatever, the zero technology, Laos, Cambodia, setting up listening devices, four of them, two Americans and a couple Indige setting up listening devices, you know, four of them, you know, two Americans and a couple, couple Indige setting up listening devices on the Ho Chi Minh trail with no backup whatsoever.

And I was like, you know what? I can, I can do another sit up. I can run this obstacle course again. So putting your local Benjamin Moore retailer is more than a paint expert. There's someone with paint in their soul, a sixth sense honed over decades decades and if you have a question about paint it's almost as if they can read your mind i sense you need a two inch angle brush for the trim in your family room regal selected an eggshell finish and directions to the post office benjamin moore paint is only sold at locally owned stores benjamin moore see the love. He's in relative terms, I think, was helpful for me. Cody's like, aw. I'm a butt stud, dude.

What year was it? 2011. November fucking winter class, dude. 292. There you go. Nice. Alright. Well, maybe the relative term thing would have helped you earlier. I don't know, 12 years earlier earlier why wasn't jack here telling me the relative terms god damn it so i think that helps but that's the understanding of history side of it having read all that stuff

growing up my mom was librarian so i grew up surrounded by books love of reading and so i had this foundation upon which to build not just reading the fiction i read growing up but reading all the non-fiction too because i knew i wanted to be an operator. And so I read everything you could possibly find back then before the internet, anything I could find that I thought would make me a better leader or a better operator. So that was the foundation. So I don't think you could have prepared for either buds or for doing what I'm doing now any better. So I feel very fortunate that I knew what I wanted to do early. And then really the reading is the foundation of both, both SEAL team stuff and what I'm doing now. God, what was your worst, like in either, it probably buds. What was your worst experience where you were right there?

No, I mean, people say by thinking about quitting, I thought about quitting in terms of it's a possibility and that's why you're there to test yourself so obviously it's there as part of part of the whole the whole deal but i think people have been there's something in our dna that makes us want to test ourselves and you used to have to you used to have to prove your value to the tribe so thousands of years ago you had to go out there prove that you prove your value and it would be like let's say 12 year old 11 13 year old 14 year old 14 year old 15 year old 16 somewhere in there where you had to do that i think that's just in our dna and so that's why so many people are drawn to like marine corps boot camp typically but also

buds or q course or ranger school or whatever it might be but there's this thing in there i think in our dna in our blood that makes us want to test ourselves we can prove something to ourselves and then to the community community writ large um and that's just there so i think when you get you can kind of get a little too old and look back and say oh man i wish i would that's why people get look back and say maybe i should have tried x y or z when i was younger because that's the time typically throughout history that you had to test yourself so it was uh yeah it was a good it was a good run but i i didn't think about like oh i'm right on the edge of it now one more minute in this cold water water submersion or whatever it is um surf torture which i think they now call surf

conditioning because uh they had to torture is a bad word right so they had it's the exact same thing they just changed the the nomenclature a bit um but it wasn't like oh it can only last 30 more seconds like it was never like that it was just But it wasn't like, oh, it can only last 30 more seconds. Like, it was never like that. It was just like I knew quitting is an option, but it wasn't an option for me because I wanted to do it my whole life. And I could never go back and tell my friends who I told since I was a little kid that I wanted to do this. I just couldn't go back and tell them I didn't make it. So, yeah, it was fun in that sense that I just knew I was in the right place.

And motivated as shit. It's like, no, I'm fun in that sense that I just knew I was in the right place. You're motivated as shit. It's like, no, I'm going to make this happen. But the worst part, I guess, is when you get woken up in Hell Week on, like, Wednesday, you sleep for two hours. But I wish they didn't. It would have been much better if they didn't because they put you in these tents, and it's disgusting. You go in these little tents on the beach, GP medium tents in there. So for people listening, it's like a canvas tent that you saw on MASH tv show but you're in there and you've been moving you've been up since sunday morning and you've been moving since sunday let's say afternoon evening like running sweating

and you're just in this tent now a few days later and so you fall into some rem sleep right away but your body is giving off these like horrible it's just disgusting. It's like walking into a wall, but it's like a fog. It's so gross in there. And you're in there for two hours just breathing each other's funk. Fair moon, bad funk. And then they wake you up, throw in another flash crash, whatever, and then you're back in the ocean a few seconds later, just cold again. It's good times.

Sounds absolute. It's good times. But I hated taking my boots on and off is where as weird as that sounds that's the thing that like gets me like taking the like unlaced because i was a flip-flop guy before that and uh so welcome to the club so taking your boots on and off and having to do it when everyone's yelling at you like i didn't like that wasn't fun dude cody what was yours like were you like fuck this oh when uh the elder skulls skyrim came out so uh so your your life story's a little bit no no so i got like so a boat fucking we were

doing surf passage and a boat crushed our another boat came over us and crushed all of us and then we were on the rope tower one day so that fucked you up originally yeah that's i'm up originally and i'm like i don't feel so good boss and then uh we were on the rope tower one day. So that fucked you up originally. Yeah, that fucked me up originally, and I'm like, I don't feel so good, boss. And then we were on the rope tower, and I fell off the fucking rope tower while I was at the top and landed on my back. Why'd you do that? They wouldn't medically roll me, so I ding, ding, dinged. And the video game came out, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, on 11-11-11. And I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to go home and play video games now. My favorite part, though, is... Probably smarter, actually. What was going through your mind when you fucking landed on your back? You're just staring at the sky, the way you described it to me. Just staring at the sky, and you're like, you know, the new Skyrim's out. Yeah, well... This is the slide for life you're talking about, right?

Like the... No, no, the rope tower on the beach, where you... Oh, the rope? No, no, the rope tower on the beach. Oh, the rope climb thing. Yeah, the rope climb on the beach. So I got to the top and I went to touch it and lost my grip because we just did sugar cookies. And I fucking just fell onto the ground onto my back after the surf passes thing. And I'm just laying there like Brandon was saying. My son was like one year old at the time. And I was like, I'm just going to go home, play video games, hang out with my son now. Yeah years old at one year old at the time oh that was like i'm just

gonna go home play video games hang out with my son now yeah that's probably the smarter yeah but they said i wasn't i wasn't uh hurt enough to med roll so i was like all right well i'll just fucking ding ding dude that'd be hard to do that with the family i think like i had no family i shouldn't have brought my family out there dude that's one thing i always think about it's like i should have left him back home i shouldn't have had him there in san diego john's was that buds yeah john he's one he's doing surf training that'd be tough because you're focused solely on the task at hand like i didn't have anything else to worry about other than prepping for the next day or whatever whatever it was it wasn't like oh geez my wife's mad at me or like what i have to spend some time with my kid or whatever else

no none of that played any factor whatsoever. It was just focused on the training and doing the best I could. So it would be tough, I think. And we had guys in our class who were married or a couple of them had kids, I think. But most of the couple of guys that were married were newly married. And that would be tough, I think, to have to go. They could live in town. Do you live in town?

Yeah, I was living on base housing at the time. Yeah. So I was able to drive in every day. That would be tough, too, because everybody else is living together in these barracks. You're cleaning your uniforms. You're hanging stuff up. But you're together. And then the people that are married go off and have to have this whole other life.

Yeah. Which would be tough, I think. Yeah, no. I mean, I'm not ashamed of it at all. I went and tried. Here you go. go go off and have to have this whole other life yeah it should be tough i think yeah no i mean fucking i'm not ashamed of it at all i went and tried so here you go you don't have to work that's the great thing about anything not just this but anything in life is like if you don't try it then you'll be a 90 years old looking back and wondering so i think it absolutely the the whole point is to try it now when you can otherwise you'll be 89 years old saying, I wonder if.

So you don't have that at all. You don't have to wonder. And there's such value in that. I mean, speaking the truth right now, I like it. What was that? We're getting into motivational shit already. Oh, man. It's like a salmon over here.

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keep those pubes at bay what was so in the military oh you're a fucking military guy yeah you can be as clean cut as you want i know you had an embarrassing story though oh oh boy which one is this i don't know which one is this i don't know which way let's rank some you can do one or two i'm trying to think i might have i might have shut it up. I'm going to put it in a part of my brain that doesn't let me access it. Give me a hand. You're like,

ah, no, we're good. No, like for you, it's like, for me, I have like, Hey,

getting drunk, showing up to a piss test where I'm like, I got drunk 4am and then immediately 5am we have a surprise piss test. I'm like, Oh, Oh, Hmm. And I just,

the one where you pretended to be sick yeah i ran to the front i'm not feeling good i gotta go pee so like i ran to the front is it like but you're not testing for no buff it was still i was drunk because i went to bed at 4 a.m just hammered oh you're sitting in trouble for that yeah yeah yeah at 5 a.m they're like why do you reek of booze okay so i just ran in front i think most of our class got sent home from jump school because of that. Because we were coming from the push-up capital of the world. At the time, we were going to Benning to do jump school out there, like old school, static line, you know, just like same way. It looks the same like those black and white videos from World War II.

I mean, same thing. What is it called? Swing Tower? What's the thing called? Swing Tower. Something like that, right? Isn't it Swing Tower? It literally has not changed.

I don't think it still hasn't changed. You start with the boxes, like a two-foot box. You're like, oh, PLF. And then it's a little bigger. So they jam three days of training into three weeks out there. I just did jump school last month, three weeks ago. I still have my parachute gear in the back of the truck. Okay.

And yeah, I had to learn PLF and all that shit. Like, but I crammed it into 24 hours. Okay. Yeah, exactly. So I did all, all five of my jumps. Totally possible. I mean, just like jump out. Like that's it.

Pretty much. Yeah. Tight body position. Tight body position. Right. Like that. And then just like hope for the best. Count to five.

Is it count to five? And then nothing happens. Like then pull that reserve. Count to five or seven, depending on what kind of shoot i think you're doing or what kind of aircraft and then uh yeah then then realizing it's what it's it's balls of your feet calf thigh lats yeah feet ass head the thing that i think of often after after having done it a bunch because like the next day i woke up after doing five jumps yeah i woke up feeling like i got hit by a car yeah and then realizing like holy fuck somebody did this for the first time how old are you 28 oh wow so i was gonna say that most people doing that are young but you are young so never mind

yeah well i'm thinking like but like for people that were doing it like before this was an a certified thing like before they could teach you plap before they could teach you when you got an additional how to be a parent trooper was it two dollars and fifty cents um paycheck i think back in world war two sounds right it was something like that so to be airborne it doubled your pay so you literally just got i i want to say it was like two dollars and fifty it was for the people dollars or maybe it was like $50 it was an absurdly low number but I think combat pay was like $65

for the longest time I seem to remember that someone will correct us in comments I'll be sure to look I'll be sure to spend some time in there YouTube comments are the best ours are surprisingly nice they're very nice spend a lot of time in best it's also surprisingly nice yeah that's good

spend a lot of time in there it's a good it's a good place to spend your time if you're you know man what was it it was when did they start airborne that would have been right before world war ii wasn't i don't know when they started but certainly in preparation for for d-day of course what i was amazed by is is if you think about it, not even when you're talking about warfare with planes, but D-Day, you're talking about 40 years after the invention of man-made aviation. That's fucking stupid.

That's terrifying. I mean, you're talking about almost equal time between that and the invention of the plane, between that and landing on the moon. Yeah. That's a crazy jump. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

And then you're getting shot at by machine guns. Not a good time. Flak and shit. Like, that's not a joke. And think about the people who lived through all that. They got to see. Essentially, you could see the first car. You could see the first plane.

World War I, Depression, World War II, D-Day, V-Day. You see all of that up to the space shuttle. People lived and people are still alive today. I was just in D-Day commemoration events last week with 48. We brought back 48 World War II veterans. Sorry. I know there was a passport issue. Oh, so you know about that.

I've heard. I've heard. You were there was a passport issue. Oh, so you know about that. I've heard, I've heard. You were missed. You were missed. I'm very jealous because as I've said before on the podcast, like that is such a crazy event because I, and I knew this before I, I agreed to go like that is momentous because this is probably the last 10 year increment that the people that were actually there, the men that actually stormed that beach are going to be there for that event. Yeah. That's, that's a crazy thing. It was really heavy. Yeah, no, it's a, it was incredible. And I was there for the 78th as well. I brought my daughter

for that back when she was 15. And, uh, so she's standing on the beach and she was there for this one for the 80th as well, helping these world war two veterans because they're either closing in on a hundred at a hundred or over a hundred years old now. And so you have to get them in and out of their wheelchairs, get them to the events, make sure they're taking closing in on 100 at 100 or over 100 years old now and so you have to get them in and out of their wheelchairs get them to the events make sure they're taking their medicine make sure they're eating like doing all that stuff so you really have to be have to be on it but she gets to stand there on omaha beach looking out at the water looking back at the the bluffs behind and having a guy talk to her about being the first out of his landing craft what that was like coming out into the water and running up this beach.

And he was telling her exactly how far the water was out and pointing to different areas up there on the cliffs and the bluffs really where machine gun positions were. Cause you can still see the bunkers, but there were other positions as well. They were just sandbag positions or just a little more temporary and talking about where he went

and there he went to the bottom of that bluff right there and he made it. And just hearing that story firsthand is uh is pretty powerful so it was it was amazing so we did that in 78th we did that for the for the 80th here just a couple a couple days ago probably a week ago and uh and we went to the 80th pearl harbor as well so for for her as a as for her generation they love talking to someone younger and just having someone younger just listening to those stories and it's different than reading a history book or

watching a movie. But I think also we're a little we think of Tom Hanks and Saving Private Ryan, who he was probably like 45 when they made that show, something like that. Or you think of like Longest Day even, you have all these guys like Robert Mitchum is in that, John Wayne is that. So guys that are a little older.

But really, those guys were, I mean, some lied. We're 15 years old. They lied to get in. They were fucking kids. 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Those are the people who won the war at the tactical level. Anyway, so it was pretty powerful being over there. Just the idea of being the first off the boat and then remembering that.

Like those boats being the first off that line where MG42s are just cutting down shit. Like, hey, here's my target. I'm going to run there. Hope as many of my team can get there. And then you're just reconnecting with random people. A lot of the times you're like, hey, we've got to make a new squad. On top of that, remembering exactly where you went, what you did, which bluff you were like right up under 80 years later. Most people at that age don't remember what they had for breakfast and you

immediately cue in like, that's where I went and that's what I did. It was amazing. That's incredible. Fucking core memory right there though. That's a good core. That's what you don't forget. Unfortunately, this is not getting deleted. Yeah. Yeah. And then you have guys that you know of course with that technology finding these drop zones finding these these areas for the gliders to land imagine that light landing a glider in 1944 and getting semi close to where

you're supposed to land and having and the germans putting these poles up in the ground so that your ladder would come down and just get crushed. So this is the one story. Yeah. I don't know this story. Gliders. Yeah. So gliders were a big, big deal in,

uh, in world war two. And it wasn't the gliders that we typically think of with, uh, you know, a pilot and maybe somebody behind going for the ride. And these guys, they're stacked in there and there's Jeeps in some of them.

You can put a Jeep in these things. They're, they're towed up lines cut and over the English channel. There they go. And they had their landing zones all set up, the germans of course knew that these fields so they flooded the fields and they also put in these poles so that a glider landing would just get they just get crushed so one of the guys we were talking to he came in landed and these two poles took off the wings and they landed right in between so so took off the wings and he landed

and survived um yeah, just crazy. So she's talking to people. My daughter's talking to people that did that. Tom Rice, first out of his stick. His 101st day of born. He passed away in November of 2022. But she got to be there with him, talking to him about what it was like to jump out into the darkness. And then, of course, you're off course a little bit.

And you've got to figure out what to do without your GPS,? And then, of course, you're off course a little bit, and you've got to figure out what to do without your GPS, without your cell phone, without your sat phone. That's what we're talking about. I think two podcasts ago, we were talking about, like, would you rather be an airborne guy on D-Day or one of the guys coming out of the amphibious landing craft? And, like, I think all of us agreed, like, you'd rather be a paratrooper, but at the same time, you've got to remember,

you're not going in with any sort of comms you're going in in the dark and when you land you are in enemy territory with no way of communicating with your guys and you just link up with fucking whoever speaks english you know that's terrifying oh yeah no it's amazing hearing these guys talk about it um and yeah also i don't think there was time to hit that reserve if you needed it they were coming in pretty low i forget exactly i think they were lower than that i'm not positive combat because it's combat drum so you're trying to just get to the ground as fast as possible because your comments thankfully the last time at planes if you're shot out of a plane and you have a shoot then you can't be shot at.

You can shoot deployed soldiers, though, if it's airborne soldiers. If they're in a parachute, you're allowed to light them up. Holy fuck. 500 feet? What is it, Brandon? Ideal conditions on D-Day, the low jump they allowed us, because we were planning on jumping in Normandy. For jump school, they were saying 1 know 1200 feet is what what they told us ideal conditions on d-day were to jump at 600 feet uh but in reality while anti-aircraft fire forcing pilots to scramble paratroopers dropped anywhere between 300 and 2000 jeez yeah that's ridiculous yeah back when it was hard you know but then those guys came home and 2000. That's ridiculous.

It's back when it was hard. But then those guys came home and they started businesses, they started families, they built this country into what it is today. And you don't hear too many stories about them whining, complaining, maybe because there wasn't social media on a place where they could do that. But they came home and got to work.

I love talking to these guys. But you're right, they're home and got to work and so sit so talking to this guy i love talking to these guys um but you're right they're probably not gonna be around for for too much longer so um i treasure every moment that we that we have with them so i try to tell everybody if you know like a world war ii veteran somewhere like go see them go talk to them um record it uh come to the show anyway if you got family or friends out there that are a world war ii vet we would love love, love, love, love. We will love to hear their story. Fly them out.

We'll take care of that. We were just talking about this the other day. We would love to have some of those stories recorded forever. Oh, dude. Because once they're gone, they're gone, man. Yeah. I was out there with the Best Defense Foundation, and that was the main focus this time was to make sure that they've done it since their inception, but really make sure that they're on Omaha Beach, on Utah Beach, wherever it is, and talking to the guy, telling the story right there,

and capturing that forever for future generations, really, because this is one of the last chances to do it, especially even just traveling. So some of these guys, if they're going to live for a few more years here, they might not be able to travel. That's the tough part, is getting them all the way the way over there but uh delta man delta hooked it up so they flew for the first time two years ago they landed in normandy usually go to paris first and then take a smaller plane up or take a bus up to normandy or something like that so they sent out guys to survey the runway and

set it all up and they brought the i was a 747 or whatever it was but a big plane right into normandy for the first time so they want to drive to have these a world war two veterans all the way there. They're all in first class and then land right there. Normandy. The new Mitsubishi Outlander brings out another side of you. Your regular side listens to classical music. Your adventurous side rocks out with the dynamic sound.

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Mitsubishi Motors. Drive your ambition. All them guys live in the dreamland. That's pretty cool. And then they come out and there's all of northern france is there that more american flags in normandy in june than i've ever seen on fourth of july in the united states 101st airborne flags 82nd airborne flags and it's not just the people who were there that are older or that passed it to their kids who are a little older

it is the five-year-old kids the six-year-old kids the seven-year-old kids and it's the same look in their eyes and they are so appreciative of these veterans who are pushing in wheelchairs and we have these baseball cards they have their like their stats on the back like what they did in world war ii and their photo and that stuff and they're signing them and all these kids just want these cards it's amazing dude like it's incredible to see oh it's it's it's super powerful to say i wish every american could see it because of the pride and the appreciation that the people of Normandy have for Americans all these years later. I mean, it hasn't. They're doing something right as far as passing this on.

And, you know, it's not something they just talk about one day in school or a week in school. I think they talk about it every single day. They'd have to because of just the feelings and emotions that come out of these kids or everybody from kids all the way up to the oldest adult. It is so authentic and so real. And you know, it's not just because mom and dad told them to be there or their teacher made them be there. It's,

it's really powerful. It's pretty cool. Damn. That's defense foundation. They're the ones that did it. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to them.

Yeah. Shout out to them. I want to know what the cards, the stats, the stats. Yeah. So now the cards, I have all the cards and my daughter has all the cards, has all the signatures.

And it's really cool. Something I do wish we had a lot more of here. Because a lot of people do forget that. Well, the difference is they were occupied. And then they were liberated. And I felt it a little bit in Hawaii for the 80th Pearl Harbor event. We did a parade there. And I felt it a little bit there because, once again, they weren't occupied, but they were attacked. And so pushing these guys to the streets of

Honolulu, it felt, I hadn't felt that anywhere until that point. And then you go to Normandy and it's like times 10. Because now you're in that middle role of like Hollywood military, but is there a line that you're like, Hey, because you're still sponsored by Sig. I was like, Oh, okay. I don't know if I'm sponsored by them or not they do the podcast but nothing like outside yeah and anything anybody it's when i started out i always wondered if anybody was going to sponsor the podcast or do anything i wanted to it was an easy no if it was like hey you can only use our product like there's we don't have to spend any more time wasting anyone's any time at all on this because no because i'm gonna i don't want to have to if I'm shooting a Glock or shooting a Scott,

whatever. I don't want to have to be like, Oh, did someone take a picture of that? I can't, I'm all sponsored by, Oh, never, ever, ever easy. No, never. So we had some Hollywood types come out to the range with us last year. Yeah. And some Hollywood types and they're like, don't take a picture of me with a gun. We just wanted to come out and hang out. Like, have you ran into anything like that?

Like with the Hollywood type people? Not really, because the people that are involved in our show, one, you can, I think in Hollywood, you can get away with it if you're training. Like Keanu Reeves proved that you can do that. You're just training for a role. And you don't have to say what you think about any of this stuff. Keanu Reeves will serve like a bunch of fucking A-listers. Basically anybody who goes to Tarrant gets away with it if you're training like Keanu Reeves proved that you can do that you're just training for a role and you don't have to say what you think about any of this bunch of fucking a-listers anybody basically anybody who goes to Taron yeah so I think you can so I think that's a way like I'm just training type thing but I mean all the guys that I know they're just like normal dudes you know they but uh but I can see that oh yeah I'm just training so you can kind of get away

with it that way if you're worried about it at all and i think you hit a certain level probably i'm just guessing like a kianu type of a level where it doesn't really matter anymore yeah um but but i don't know um but certainly i don't worry about it because i don't want to spend my life worried about those sorts of things uh and especially now i think we talked about that a little bit earlier that authenticity piece like people like i can't be anybody but myself but if if I tried to, I think people would see through it in a heartbeat. And it'd be exhausting for you. Anyway, it'd be like, I don't know, it'd be awful. So So yes, I don't really worry about that. So I try to be thoughtful, really about anything that I do. So it's not necessarily being worried about the political side or whatever else. It's more just who I am, I want to be thoughtful about

anything that I do in life. So that's just kind of, I mean, so, so you don't ever have to stop yourself from saying certain things in front of that crowd. Not that I wouldn't have stopped myself if there, if I didn't have a book or a show or anything like that, just because I just try to be kind of thoughtful about it, you know? So it's just kind of very natural for me to i guess take a second to think about things um but uh yeah so i don't really feel like i'm cornered like oh man i wish i could say this but i can't because i wish i never no okay that's awesome the thing i think that uh the thing that i think drove me crazy about it with the the hollywood folks that we had out of the range like the last year or two years is that you could tell that they were yearning to be free in a way that would be hard

they just they loved everything we were doing they loved everything we were about and they're like yeah we want to do this but we can't because we have a contract with so-and-so so please don't get me on camera with a gun oh interesting that that part if you don't believe in it that's one thing but the fact that you you do that'd be tough yeah Yeah, I've not run into that. Yeah, not to say that I won't at some point run into somebody that has that sort of, I don't know, contract or whatever else, but I haven't seen it yet. The pushback they get, even I had friends, they just posted like one went to a gun range to start shooting and training, and their community absolutely destroyed them. They pulled the video. They're like, well, never mind. I cannot do a single post, even though I want to show that I'm training and learning how to use this. Because one of their friends just had a home invasion happen. And it was the guy didn't find they were in the home.

They just hid in a closet. Guy was like, wait at the top of stairs. Top of the stairs. Just waited, waited. No one was there. He was trying to take the wife. Cause it was his, uh-huh.

The story I told. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, is it our, the, my friend, the Austin?

No, no, no different story. Fuck. Oh yeah. This is my friend. Like, so they just like downstairs,

they were, the dude went downstairs, went to his car and bought himself, but they, cause they couldn't find the wife or his one shot himself yeah the guy broke in because he was there just to steal the wife because the wife wasn't happy and he knew that so he was gonna get her save her and so he went outside to his car boom police showed up and they had it all on security cameras so then other friend group they're like uh we

probably should get guns to like protect ourselves they posted about getting a gun and training in a media the community's like you piece of shit you're like wow i know exactly who the you're talking about i didn't realize it was the same person yeah uh somebody who used to work with him told me about that not too long ago i thought it was i honestly thought that story was overblown a little bit yeah that was yeah i gotta watch the footage well didn't know i didn't know that footage existed. Didn't he say afterwards that he still didn't want to get a gun?

Yeah. That was one of the things. He said that, and then the other, my friends were like, I want a firearm because of that whole situation. At least raffling. I mean, at least it woke up some people to it, but if you're too much of an ideologue,

nothing can penetrate that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's very odd that someone would get mad at these people, whoever it is, for wanting to defend the gift of life. That's pretty much your responsibility. That's day one, week one, stuff right there. Not just protecting your life, but if you have a family, then protecting, obviously, your spouse, your kids. That's your number one job. That's it. And then you can build from there. But that's the one thing that you have a family then protecting obviously your your spouse your kids like that's your number one job like that's it and then you can build from there but that's the one thing that you have to do um and you used to for most human history you had to be good at that you had to be good at the

hunting had to be good at the fighting otherwise you weren't gonna be around much longer and neither was your community your tribe society so it's a very natural thing so i gave my kids for my my retirement ceremony um i gave them a nautical compass and a Bible with their name on it and said, hey, here are things to guide you. And then I gave them a leather-bound copy of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and then I handed them this Winkler tomahawk and I said, and here's the means to defend it. So it's that defense of this gift of life is, it's so strange that you could think you could be talked out of the importance of defending this gift so yeah so i don't really worry about talking about that sort

of thing like yeah i like dude that is that is a dad right there where you're like here here here here here and a tomahawk fucking get get it done i mean you used to have to it used to not be an option oh yeah 100 years is literally in the last hundred years is the only time we're not a hunter-gatherer or struggling to survive. If you're going across just to go mine gold back in like 1800s, 50% of you are dying on the trip out there. Well, so we were just talking about it the other day, and they said it was a certain year. I forget what year it is, where people started to have their first hot showers like you used to just not have let's say i don't know 100 let's say 100 years um it wasn't like normal to have a hot shower and now quite normal now you don't have a hot shower it's just pretty awesome which you understand back in the day why bathing wasn't super popular if it was

always cold you're like all right well at that point i almost get it yeah have you seen shogun that show? No, but I hear it's really good. Yeah, I've watched the first two episodes. I haven't seen the third one yet. I'm about to move into the third one. But they're talking to the main guy, and they want to bathe him. In Japan, they want to bathe him. He's like, I said something about having a bath.

I bathed already once in the past two weeks already, something like that. So, yeah, it used to not be a thing. Being as glumly as we are. Dick cheese all day long. All day long, dog. Stinky nuts all day long. No wonder why oral is a thing of recent history. Babe, I'm not doing that thing.

Babe, I taste from there. Jack's like, oh, God, what did I sign up for? That's what the drinks are for. Necessary. Not just earth quenching, but delicious, but necessary. And then the community is like, wow, fucking Bob. It's weird watching, or it's awesome watching certain guests come on. And then they, it's this veil like slow

especially with booze that's what demetrius is the best like demetrius like i'll drink one demetrius had like four in a shot he made no he made us do the shot oh yeah i think my shot days are behind me unless it's like for a big thing not just like just going out like a normal like going out type thing but it has to be like an event. You know what I mean? Like someone passed away or somebody did, you know, like it has to be something like, I feel like those days are behind me. Yeah. We weren't going to fight Mighty Mouse on that one though. If he wants to do shots. Yeah. Some people are going to, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. Demetrius Johnson, we're going to do shots. You're doing a shot. Yes, sir yeah no understood uh understood but uh yeah i think

those some of those some of those things maybe if you don't have to unless it's him you know unless it's somebody and it's oh that's an event though that's like a thing you know it doesn't happen every day well sometimes on the podcast happens too frequently when we only film the podcast like a month a week and a half out of the month, it kind of happens every day a little bit. Okay. Because we backlog.

So we'll do like four, like we'll do four in a week and then that's our month schedule. So it's like, it's always a hard week. My liver, I'm the old one. Cody's the second oldest.

Brandon's young. So he's starting to experience hangovers. You know how they start hitting, dude've read about it oh one or two hangovers you can always tell when it's the last podcast we've done out of like a string of five or six where like our clothes are tattered something's on fire we're just like oh unsubscribed podcast hi everyone where did the name come from do you guys talk about where the name came from is that a thing people know i don't i think it was just a funny idea we just thought by the way

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You've been doing Terminalist. Rewind military experience because there's one question. I told them. I was like, I just want to know this piece of information. Were you deployed on 2001 9-11? Were you already deployed and then 9-11? Yes.

Were you already deployed and then it happened? Or what the fuck was that? See, I didn't learn that until like two hours ago. Yeah, I was like reading that piece of information. I was like, hold up. Were you like, man, I can't wait for this joyous deployment. And then you land. It's like, boom.

And you're like, shit. Yeah. Well, I'm here. Yeah, I was about two weeks into it, I think. So it was my second deployment. So I was not a new guy anymore. But first deployment, we weren't at war, obviously. Second deployment, we get over to Guam.

And two weeks into it, September 11th happened. And I think it was about midnight over there with the time difference. People start, you don't have all this stuff in your room. You probably do now. No cell phones and that stuff. So people start banging on doors up and down the hallway and come out in the hall and like wait what's going on and we had phones in our in our rooms though and uh just in landlines for those you know younger attached to the wall exactly those things next to the desk on the hotel that's it that's what that and uh and so

we went down to the the only one tv in the basement and so we all convened down there and watched the towers fall on tv and so we thought for sure we're going like tomorrow like we're going and i ended up being a couple weeks uh till we went but i went right away and did some uh some personal protection stuff for what was then called commander Singpak Fleet. They changed the name since then because they said there could only be one commander-in-chief. It used to be commander-in-chief of whatever. And so there were all these different ones.

And this was the Pacific Fleet. He went to the Philippines and Indonesia to shore up support from allies. So I did a little personal protection with him. And it was like we didn't know anything yet, so we just geared up. So it was like the full-on anything yet so we just geared up so it was like the full on commando predator rambo like gear up like you know because we didn't know what we were doing yet and uh all we're gonna do is action montage exactly yeah every morning yep yeah yeah i mean yeah uh brian last name s i'm not sure if he's still doing stuff in that that world or not

but uh and he was a big big dude but we went out there and just kind of put a bunch of uh guns and knives all over us type of a thing so we didn't know what was happening and then got back to guam all our stuff was palletized and we thought we're going right into afghanistan but instead team three ended up going to do that we landed and took their mission in kuwait which was the shipboardings so it was like uh and that was the only game in town before september 11th and after september 11th that's not what you wanted to be doing you wanted to be in af You wanted to be in Afghanistan. So it was like to enforce the UN embargo. So ships coming out of Iraq.

And then they take a hard left-hand turn for Iranian waters. So you had a certain amount of time to get on those ships, take them over, and then turn them back in international waters. And then have a prized crew who actually knows how to drive these things because they were big tankers. And so that was a little dicey because they'd make sure it was bad weather when they would make their break. And they took barbed wire and put them all over the deck so you couldn't do a fast rope because it would get fouled. So they had barbed wire all over the decks.

And then they'd cut the ladder. So if you get on that deck, so a Class 3 tanker, I'm going back to the memory banks here. So please correct me in the comments. Don't you do it. So it has that superstructure thing. And then there's the deck with all the memory banks here. So please correct me in comments. Do it. Do it. Correct me in the comments. Don't you do it. So it has that, like, superstructure thing. And then there's the deck with all the stuff on it. So they cut the ladders.

So you'd have to climb onto this ship from a boat. Like, you hook, climb up this caving ladder. And then once you got on, you'd have to do that again because they cut the ladder. So you'd have to hook again, climb up here. And then all the doors were welded shut. So then you'd have to use the torch or the quickie both in conjunction to get in and hopefully weren't in iranian waters because if you got too close or went over that line then you'd have to get off pretty quick and get out of there so it's interesting that's fucking gnarly yeah you're just glazing

we're like go on like look at that's wild dude that's crazy I can't remember what the little ladders like the little wires I think they use them like crossfit stuff now don't they use them like crossfit stuff you guys have never seen them before their hard as fuck to climb up so Jack was climbing

up those on the side of a ship they're this wide they suck very bad Jamie pull it up there we go So Jack was climbing up those on the side of a ship. They're this wide. They suck very bad. Jamie, pull it up. There we go. Jamie, did you get it up? They suck.

Now show a crossfitter. Jamie, do a pull-up. Now show somebody in full gear trying to climb one of those. That would have been so fucking awkward. And you're in old gear. You're in your rifles. You're in your gear. You're just like, oh, these suck. Because you were in old gear, too. You weren't in the stuff that we would eventually get yeah you had like the old stuff so and you had so it's body

armor um i was at a radio on my back um we had mp5s though which was cool because after that's rad yeah because soon after that those went by the wayside and everything went to m4s but uh we got to have the mp5s which made you kind of feel like 90s steel you know like little charlie sheen action mark 23 did that um we did go right that's but uh hold on what what camo pattern were you wearing was it the old ma we had our issue stuff which was just um gosh whatever they called the desert cami at the time but then we also had the regular woodlands got regular but we bought black stuff we bought like uh on uh just regular black like ninja cami type stuff so that's what we wore pretty much it's just we bought them on uh i think we got them from tactical assault

gear in coronado california and have it shipped out uh to kuwait and we just wore blacked out enough to buy your own gear yeah buying our own gear exactly how cool did you feel though you're like oh yeah well you're doing something but you would have felt cool if it was before september 11th because you're like yeah nothing else was happening right now and we're doing the shipboarding stuff and now all you wanted to do was get into afghanistan because we thought we'd miss it we're like first we're like awesome we're deployed we're going yes and then we got over to the over to kuwait uh team three's going to afghanistan we're doing their mission shoot we're gonna miss this thing so you're thinking we had 20 years you know we were 20 years later 20 years later we're like okay the last couple times we went in the middle east it

was over like three days yeah oh fuck give me a piece of that real quick exactly so everybody thought that if they missed if they didn't weren't there now you were not going to get after it um that proved obviously not to be true in the long run, but that's what we thought. It was like a Michael J. Fox, Back to the Future. Like, okay, you guys weren't ready for that, but your kids are going to love it. Exactly.

Which is true, right? Which is true of people's kids. There was literal dads and then sons in the same combat zone at the end of the war, which is fucking insane to think about. You could have enlisted after September 11th or on it

and essentially done your 20 years in the military while you're still at war. Well, there goes our Raytheon sponsorship. Dang it. Watching my Raytheon every week. Luckily, there's a few others out there. Northup Grumman hates us. Really?

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I mean, i talk about it in this in this book it's interesting the more research that i do the more you see how things changed post-world war ii and you know you could have you're vaguely aware of it obviously if you're uh semi in tune with history and that's what's been happening for the let's say the last 50 75 years eisenhower who warned against it yep in his speech people should people always pull out just the uh military industrial complex piece and that warning but it's a it's very short actually the Is it Eisenhower who warned against it? and we used to have a secretary of war and then in 1947 with the reorganization of the military and intelligence establishment it changes to the department of defense and we have a secretary of defense and ironically we do more war after that happens but precision in language reflects

precision in thought so you change something from war to defense and we haven't really done so well in the wars since interestingly enough so but it But it becomes an industry because people are held accountable up essentially to World War II through World War II. And then we get to this 1947 and this reorganization. And now what we see in Vietnam in particular, and then we get into some peacetime and some flashpoints and then into global war on terror, of course. And you see people not held accountable for strategic level mistakes uh whereas george marshall he held people accountable in leading up to world war ii during world war ii he'd give you a second chance but and people

mostly know him for the marshall plan reorganizing rebuilding europe after world war ii but really what he did was put the right people in the right place so we could win world war ii because uh those a lot of those names that we know today those admirals and generals they didn't start there in 1941 or a little bit before then other people were and he put the right people in place because their predecessors didn't do so well where as now do your time and you fail upward and then you go sit on the boards of one of your podcast sponsors use the right word you fail upwards that we talked about that like multiple times and it's disgusting where it doesn't matter how good you are or something because that's where

you should be placed into a job like no this person knew that person or you failed into this position because you stayed around long enough versus as you're saying world war ii is like hey this is the best person for the job. They're going to stay at this fucking job like everyone else. Or most importantly, it didn't matter if your job led to the success of the entity. As long as the entity succeeded, you did well. It's a real privilege to be able to travel and to see different places. Taking yourself out comfortable positions and challenging yourself.

No one builds a legacy by standing still. Start your journey at Remover.com. And so people are failing up even though they were complete shitters. Yeah. Yeah. And the military today, really, I mean, probably for the last 50 years or so, as long as you don't get arrested for domestic violence too many times, don't get too many DUIs, and don't pop positive on a piss test, that you can be a success. You can stay there as long as you want. I mean, if you want to be a Navy chief, you've got to have at least like two DUIs.

It used to be that way. Yeah, it used to be that way. It used to be that way. Yeah, it used to be that way. It used to be a thing coming in, you know, I don't think it's as tolerated anymore, but, but, but that's really, that was the measure of success right there. It's not really how well you're doing your job. It's not how poorly you're doing your job, but really I'm talking about those levels, you know, those flag level officers up there. And even those, those senior enlisted advisors up at those levels too, you know, they, they are all up there as part of this gigantic bureaucracy. And it's moving.

It's moving. It's an industry. And it's hungry. It's hungry. And it's more powerful each and every day, regardless of what happens, as we saw with the withdrawal from Afghanistan. And you cannot fail worse than that, essentially, when you have 20 years to prepare. I'm sure you guys have talked about this on the podcast before, but 20 years, that is the best that our senior level military leaders could do with 20 years to prepare for that eventuality. And we all got to see it. So I think about that every time I have to sign a waiver,

like if you buy thermal imagery or you buy a night vision goggles, anything like that, like anything of that sort, uh, you know, even just IR lasers lasers you have to sign a waiver saying that you won't surrender this to foreign countries or our enemies but we did billions of dollars of that through the federal government it's like really i like i laugh every time i have to sign it like okay sure whatever you want i know it's ridiculous it's so it's so awful uh but that's why i think that's why we have these one of the reasons that we have these recruitment numbers that are just plummeting because you have people with no touch point with the military. Didn't have to know anybody that served enough to serve yourself, didn't have to ever watch a military movie or a documentary. And you could apply common sense and logic to that problem set and have done such a better job of withdrawing from Afghanistan than our best and brightest did.

It's absolutely disgusting. None of those guys will ever be held accountable other than by people like this out here talking about it, but they won't be held professionally accountable, that's for sure. Oh, you get it. But I get to do it in the pages of these novels. That's why it's so therapeutic to write these things. Well, that's what I was going to say. What's crazy is that it is.

All right, what's the new book called, Jack? This is called Red Sky Morning. Red Sky Morning. Bam, that is it right there. But it's very therapeutic to write these things because I think part of it is that. Because you do get to tell people accountable, although through the medium of popular fiction. And it does feel good. But I think that's why revenge movies do so well.

We have so many Death Wish movies. John Wick. Yeah, exactly. There's something about it. Because you know you can't do it in real life because you'll go to jail forever or you'll go to the electric chair or something like that. But you can sit there and you can watch it in a theater or you can read it in a book and there's something – there's a feeling behind it that makes you feel a little cathartic I guess is the best way to put it. It's like what we were talking about with Michael Douglas with Falling Down. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Love that movie. It's kind of like you think about it day, but you can't do it. Not really. I mean, you can, but you shouldn't. And there will be consequences.

Yeah. At the tactical level. When you're inside thoughts become outside thoughts. Like, yeah, that probably shouldn't happen. But that's what, when you started writing Terminalist,

I was, when you were already out and then you were like, Hey, this is, or on the last year in. And then you're like, okay, did you take, it's like, Hey, here's the bureaucracy that's shit and corruption. And I'm going to put that on exactly how I think this story, the revenge story would go. Exactly. Exactly. So I started writing it, uh, December of 2014. I got out in June of

2016. So I finished it a little over a year and then spent about six months just reading it rereading it editing trying to get it the best i could possibly get it before sending it to new york but that's exactly it there's uh the military politicians they certainly gave me a lot to work with as far as having antagonists and bad guys in those pages and then i got to get very creative about how my main character takes them down. It goes so hard, too. I was like, okay, I always want to say Kyle East James. I always am like, God damn it, you named it so we were talking about it. Yeah, you said that earlier.

I was like, Terminator, Terminator. I'm like, no, switch it. But how you created that character and then watching it come to life on Amazon was fucking insanity. That was one of the few series that caught me off guard. I was like, okay, here's the bad guy at the point, and then he's gone. And then it's like you're already at that revenge part, and it's already well past that. It's like, okay, this goes deeper. And how you did a revenge story was more on the lines

of like i don't know if you watch korean revenge flicks should i i should think i will take some notes korea is always going to tell you yes oh korean revenge flicks will go they go harder than american revenge flicks it's like on the third act you'll get to like the revenge korean revenge flicks are like on act in between one and two homeboy is now found the guy and now torturing him okay letting him go and then really making that revenge like hey you fucked with me now i'm gonna continue to do this through the entire act the other two acts of the movie. It's ridiculous. I have a dragon demon. I met the devil.

I met the devil. Okay. I met the devil. That's a good starter. Eli. Eli's being Eli. Could you say I met the devil in your Asian accent? I met the devil.

You know? Okay. Now say Korean revenge flicks. Korean revenge flicks. Okay. I got to watch this. I'm taking notes. I'm going to watch it.

Racism. Dude, you guys are going to love it. Because have you guys watched I Saw the Devil? No. No. Every one of my friends that have actually watched it, they're like, holy fuck, America needs to do revenge flicks like this. It goes hard. Homeboys, police detective.

This is not spoiling anything anything this is like first 10 minutes wife and or pregnant wife stuck vehicle waiting for somebody come person goes to help and they're like she's like okay they get in he then kills her with a hammer and then it's like and then everything unfolds and the detective finds him in the first act and he goes fucking insane from there oh and then you realize that's all korean revenge flicks they're very much hey punishment punishment all right completely different than america all right but you did very good on oh thank you here i was like oh that happened in yeah middle of act two okay i don't know where this is going now yeah yeah if it's okay like i'd love to talk about

how that process proceeded from writing your initial book to getting on amazon with chris pratt playing your main character because that is a in my mind that is a huge jump from your first book to getting it on amazon push to everybody's you know burger king cup yeah yeah that's no no that's awesome chris pratt on the burger king cup with the tomahawk that'd be awesome uh yeah but the craziest part of the whole thing is that as i sit down to write i'm a child of the 80s and so it's very natural as i write the first sentence in this book to start thinking about who's going to play the main character and who's going to direct um and so i'm sitting down to write this thing december of 2014 i write the first words and I already started thinking, gosh,

you should play this. And not, not, not who is this character, but who could play it. And I thought, you know what? There's this guy, Chris Pratt. And I just saw him in zero dark 30 playing a seal, but I saw his transformation from Andy Dwyer and parks and recs. He was kind of a big, jolly, funny guy. And then I saw him as a seal.

So I saw this physical transformation. I saw the acting and I thought, oh, this Chris Prattatt guy he needs this for his career like he needs to do something he's a stretch this is exactly exactly between was the mcu yeah yeah exactly so then yeah so what you're saying is you saw him before marvel i did i saw him right there i knew it that was the only person i ever thought because i didn't want someone who couldn't, who has done that before, like who had, who's already done action movies, kind of does that sort of thing. I wanted somebody new, somebody different, somebody who was inherently likable because he's going to do some horrible things in this book. So I want the audience to already like him. Uh, and I want him to have this,

uh, kind of like Magnum in the eighties, like a lot of the, the, his banter back and forth was buddies, Vietnam buddies and all that stuff. Like he was likable. But then there were episodes where he could flip that switch and it's one of the first times in prime time where a protagonist kills an unarmed person and it's the end of an episode.

It's amazing. Kills this guy, Ivan. It's awesome. This rule. Yeah, it's really cool. And they had to fight for that ending. It was a groundbreaking ending. So there are a few episodes in there that get serious.

So he could flip that switch and get it done. So I thought, that's what I need for my character. That's who I want him to be. And Chris Pratt would be perfect. So I didn't have any connections to Hollywood. And I also thought, you know, who should direct this thing? Oh, Antoine Fuqua. Awesome.

Training Day, Tears of the Sun. He'd be great. But I didn't have any connection to Hollywood, no connection to publishing or anything like that. But I thought, that's who's going to direct, and that's who's going to star in this thing so uh keep typing away ended up getting it to simon and schuster in new york they love it emily bessler emily bessler books um and she tells me then that i needed to get an agent i didn't know that i needed an agent um but so i'm glad i didn't know that because i would have tried to find an agent first probably and i might still be looking so i said well how do you find one of those and she said well here I'll introduce you to four of them and kind of pick one and

they'll all want to do it because you already have essentially a deal in place so I said okay and chose one and she's still my agent today she's fantastic but then gets to Simon and Schuster and I thought oh they're gonna make it amazing they're gonna do I'll make all these changes and then because it's Emily Bessler at Emily Bessler books who does Vince Flynn Brad Thor she's incredible if she wants aliens to come down from outer space guess what's going in this thing aliens from outer space are going to this thing for sure you have a number is what you're saying yeah well i just like they're gonna be good but there was james reese came from this way to call him a sellout jesus christ but the thing but but then what happened was there were

no changes that was there was no changes. There was no changes. And so I thought, oh, that's interesting. Content changes were along the lines of – Did it change anything? More along the lines of, hey, describe this for someone who hasn't been in the military or that sort of a thing. Yeah, very – that's about it. That's amazing. Yeah, that's about it.

That's one thing that I've always given you credit for in that regard and on your descriptions. I've read parts of your books where it's like, okay, and then he pulls back the hammer on his custom.45. It's very detailed for gun guys. It would be very odd for me not to do that. I couldn't just say he picked up a pistol or he grabbed a shotgun or whatever. It's not in me to do that because those things tell a story. It's painfully clear. Dude was a Navy SEAL clear dude was a navy seal dude but there's a lot of navy seals or people who aren't gun guys you know i mean there's like

people people assume that just because you're a seal or you're sf or whatever uh or a ranger whatever it might be that uh that you know gun stuff and that's not necessarily the case you might not be you might not even know anything about the second amendment you might only know what was issued to you that's that sort of a thing. And that's probably more prevalent than the other side. So I was interested in all that stuff before I went in the military. I mean, growing up, I was reading Soldier of Fortune, Gung Ho Magazine, which was awesome back in the day. I had a short-lived run there. It was a Soldier of Fortune spinoff, but I still have the SEAL issue to this day.

No big deal. It's got to be worth something. My dad, you're reminding me a lot of my dad. Cause he used to, he grew up on all the Tom Clancy, the soul fortune, like stuff like that. It was a great time to be alive.

I'll tell you that. I love, I love the eighties. I would go back today. If I could, I'd go 1980 to eight. I think 91. When did Terminator two come out?

92. Yeah. 91, 92, 91. I think it was 91. So when it peaked, that's when cinema peaked yeah i think it peaks right

there at least the 80s cinema peak you can still call it 80s cinema i think even though it's beginning of the 90s because there's a little bit of you know overlap every decade but uh i'd say yeah 80 to maybe even 79 to 1991 i think or when did uh use your illusion come out guns and roses probably around the same same time right there that's a Brandon question. I think I just want to go. I want to go right then. I think I know that. You like music. Brandon was born in like 2000 dude. Not 2000. Brandon

was born way late. It's possible you were made with that in the background. You know. It's possible. I hate that. That's actually very like this. It's possible. He's like damn it. background you know jack do you know what sucks about here in 1991 91 man look at that i got this you know what sucks about harry potter i was sitting in eighth grade english class the first harry potter book just came out, right?

I was enjoying it so much. Teacher turns on the TV and then the second tower goes down. Wow. It's like, so I've always related Harry Potter with 9-11. Wow. How about a cadaver? Wow. I was loving Harry Potter and then I was like, oh shit, 2,000 people just died.

Okay. So I've always related Harry Potter with 9-11. This is one of those connections in my brain now. I read the Death Adder. What's the second one? Deathly Hallows Part 2 in Iraq during mid...

Yeah, we were just doing transition to Moktadia and that's when i read that book where like i had a two-week leave came back then flew is that weird like we didn't get leave but is it was it weird doing leave in the middle of a deployment that seems odd bro what's it work okay so we did 16 months i did a 16 month deployment it's fucking during the search yeah so and you weren't the first person to do that they had i think in 2004 when i was there guys were going to the airfield to go home other that advanced party had already left

at the year mark i think it was a year mark maybe it's 14 months yet people can look it up um people had gone home i think some were from alaska i think it was from there from multiple places but then they got turned around at the airfield everything's palletized they're going home they get turned around at the airfield actually i put palletized. They're going home. They get turned around at the airfield. Actually, I put it in a paragraph in the first book. Guys had to come home back. They were already at that advanced party that leaves to go home to kind of prep things to accept. Yeah, add one.

Add one. And they had to come back to Iraq. And I think that some of those guys didn't make it then after they got hit by something. Dude, I felt bad for, I I remember like a handful of guys, Mulkey and a couple others. So we did a 15 to 16 month deployment. That's insane.

And we were searched. I was like, tip of the spear here. Like, boom, boom, boom. My bud... I had buddies that one month in, like three weeks

into deployment, they're sent on leave. Because you have to stagger everybody. Yep. So they're sent back one month in to combat and now they have their two weeks gone they come back now they have literal 14 months

in country where mine was perfectly at the seven month mark where i was like cool two weeks and it's weird because you go you land texas is 90 degrees and I'm like wearing full like pants. I'm like, Oh, it's really cold here. Cause at the time it's like 130 in Iraq. Cause it was like August, I think, or July.

I remember one 27. Yeah. And then rooftops and all that shit. You're just like, this is garbage. And you did sniping. Yeah. You probably did rooftops then.

Yeah. Yay. Rooftops at night. Go down a level during the day. Yeah. A hundred. Yeah. A hundred degrees at night.

You're like, Whoa, this is nice. It gets 90s. You at least get a breeze on the rooftop or well you only i only went up there at night so i don't know what other people did but i only went up there at night on the rooftops during the daytime we'd be back in inside so you do like an urban hide site so you could make it you know you can make it here you can make one here but uh typically we liked to be well in combat i would want it to be one room deep so we found out that like when bullets are flying and rpgs and everything are flying we want to be back there but shooting through something out this way now if no one's firing at you yeah then you can make an

urban high site in a room like this and until things start to get because you're talking about your cone of fire is you know straightforward break out a a big hole in this wall little hole in that wall and yeah through it exactly a little more protection especially when there's mortars and rpgs and stuff coming in but uh yeah not so at least for us anyway i can't talk about anybody other units or whatever their experience was but um yeah being on the rooftops during the the day we found wasn't the greatest um but go up there at night because you can use your nods and you have the technological the technical technical advantages of like aircraft and of course your your nods and thermals

and all that stuff so interesting times good times good stuff daytime on the roof just as hot as shit and then you are a grenades target also you're just like i don't want to be up here you're just moving about you're like because the videos they train you on that you probably did the same thing it's like just uh to demoralize you to like watch troops move if they don't move this is what happens and then when you get there that is in your mind you're like on patrols or anything you're like you're not you were never stagnant you were always moving you're taking knees standing up moving around you're trying not to be stagnant. Day missions. When you're on a rooftop, it's hot as fuck, like 130, 100, like baking. And then you just, does somebody have a beat on me the entire time? And that's why you're always constantly moving. You're like, I just hope I'm not getting shot at night missions. 24 hour OPS greatest thing in the world. because that's when we do the same thing. Window, pull back, set up desk, lay down, watch, watch. And then probably did you guys do over OPs over ID placements and everything?

Exactly. I could do that. Even back then before, I'm sure the technology today allows you to really do it, you know, but instead of like putting pins on a board type thing and saying, oh, this area has, there's heavily ID'd corner or intersection or whatever it is so you'd go up and set up to try to interdict someone that was going to put another one out there type of a deal m20 what was your uh so the workhorse ended up being the mark 11 and the mark 12 so uh 762 version and a 556 versions of a essentially an m4 type platform for those listening so it looks like that but it's a little more accurate the knights initially yeah they have seven nights sr25 and then it

became they we actually had the sr25 first and then i think we just changed the nomenclature and then i think we switched the scopes out from the loophole mark fours to the night force in about 2003 time frame i think somewhere around there but those ended up being the workhorse because obviously you could use them for more than just setting up like with the bolt action 301 mag and our 301 mags before September 11th. I would say those are the ones that we trained the most on because you're using essentially that Vietnam sniper type of a paradigm. But then once we got out there in Iraq, it's like, okay, I want some more rounds here. Yeah, we need some. Exactly. Exactly. But I uh, but I still love the 300 wood bag. I still know it. There's a lot of dudes here who love a law. I would,

uh, I would like more than five rounds, please. exactly. Yeah, exactly. But, uh,

yeah, our 300s were put together by, uh, by crane, Indiana. So our weapons department thing out there, whatever they call it. But,

uh, uh, they were, uh, McMillan stocks and, uh, Remington 700 actions and yeah, put together by crane.

So yeah, some good stuff. You had a few things to choose from. 50 is the same way. McMillan stocks, Remington 700, 50 Cal. We never used the Barrett's, so it was a Remington 700 action. Barrett's we left on, like, I remember, I think it was tanks, and one sniper team went out. And they're like, this thing weighs so goddamn much.

We are never bringing this on a mission again. And they, after that, it was just leave it back at bay. Like leave it back at the car. We lived out of a car. So it was just like, no, we'll just anything but that heavy tank of a weapon. And then they started issuing M14s at that time. So everyone started running M14s. It was also before the 107, I believe.

Was that? Yeah, Barrett. Oh, yeah. 107. So like they cut it down by, off the top of my head, like, 8 pounds. Because they started making shit out of titanium, which cut down on the weight because they realized that, you know, 32 pounds is way too much for an infantry weapon. It's not great. It's a very heavy gun.

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that was meant to be fired with the uh back of the receiver over your shoulder with a little recoil pad behind the magazine okay it was meant to be fired because the military wanted a weapon to fire at helicopters okay and aircraft or whatever all right and so they made it they made like 12 or 20 of them or some shit there's only like it's a sub two dozen amount in the world and the military said like wow this is cool sorry we asked we don't want that right and so i've got one of the they're like it turns out the taliban doesn't have helicopters until we leave them until we give them to them now we of the. They're like, it turns out the Taliban doesn't have helicopters until we leave them. Until we give them to them.

Now we go back and we're like, hey, remember that Barrett? Which, as it turns out, the majority of what we left back in Afghanistan, they crashed in the first week anyway. So funny story. What was it? Chris Barrett called you and was like, how the fuck did you get that? The man that made it. That's awesome. Chris Barrett's a friend.

He actually commented on that because I said, oh, we've got a unicorn Barrett. He's like, there's very few things that we consider a unicorn that is one of them. That's awesome.

Actually, I signed a book for him last night before I came out here. I was up all night like signing because I'm going on tour for the next 10 days. Oh, man. And so I'm signing books

and getting them out the door so my wife can send them out well, Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and just get them out there while I'm on tour but I signed one for him. Oh, so you know Chris? Yeah. He's a good guy i really like him well the

family story i love like hey you're crazy you're building this thing in your garage it's a great american success story no i'm gonna build it i'm gonna focus on this thing building in the garage and then grow it into what it became it's such a great american success story i love it as somebody who developed a semi-auto 50 cal i'm just like sitting there for the first time meeting uh ronnie barrett yeah yeah and in the back of my mind just like geeking like oh it's awesome kids yeah i did it's so cool no he's fantastic look how he dresses now and everything so we've had some dinners together and gets up to his brain a little bit about things and yeah he's uh he's fantastic ronnie's or excuse me uh chris is a bro ronnie is a legend yeah it's it's it's really cool it's

a cool family this is an amazing family I guess I gotta up my game I guess as far as the weapons collection goes I thought going to the Park City Gun Club yesterday having them telling me that I needed to get my own FFL was a big deal and then I'm just hearing about yourself and I'm like oh jeez if you were ever in San Antonio come with us for a couple hours we'll do a big range awesome come to my facility nice and any anything you can think of nice i want to shoot we will we will happily hook you up except for what brandon mp7 i'm working on it nice i'm actually the only thing he wants cody's like i just want an mp7 There's a couple people that have it civilian side. They're very expensive civilian side where you're talking maybe currently $40,000, $50,000.

Oh. If you have an FFL and everything. Really? Well, what's an old school MP5 Fogliato from, let's say, 1984? I bought mine for like $70,000. No, $70,000. Excuse me, $7,000. $7,000?

Oh, what? So not transfer. Oh, okay okay i was like what i bought like an mp5 sd okay the uh integrally suppressed version like six seven how much is it transferable if you if you're talking transferable transferable stuff that civilians can own you're talking maybe 30 grand okay like 40 grand maybe yeah that's exactly yeah yeah i should have yeah a couple years ago i had one but uh i didn't have any money yet so i didn't feel like i could do that the thing is with mp7s there are zero available that are transferables because they were made after 1986 yeah oh man dang it almost

no civilians that don't have an ffl and all the crazy licensing for like the law letters and whatnot you can't own them legally and what you do in your own garage with the drill press is up to you but i uh yeah we're not gonna judge here we're not gonna sit here and judge look man that's between you and god but chase is like what do i what do i do with this edit right now no that's fine i don't't mind. Disclaimer. Disclaimer. The unsubscribed podcast does not endorse the ownership of weapons. Read the small print. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, man. How was it when your first book came out, when it actually launched, and then it did pretty fucking good? As Brandon was saying, you go from a first- time author, which is unheard of to, um, I forget what the award you won. Uh, well, like New York times bestselling thing. The other one. Um, uh, I don't know if there, that's the only one I really think about. I said, man, there's another one listed, but I mean, that's the big one. That's the one. That's the one you want.

You want the number one spot. How does it feel to be the second New York Times bestseller on the podcast? Seriously. Seriously. I knew what I wanted to do for so long and I had prepared myself from an early age, not intentionally, but just because as being a reader, I just love the magic of these pages. So I'm reading guys, Tom Clancy, Nelson DeMille, AJ Quinnell, JC Pollock, Mark Olden, Louis Lamour. All these guys were my professors in the art of storytelling from, let's say, 1985 onward. So age sixth grade is where, like fifth grade is where you're reading

young adult fiction still, but starting to make that transition into the same kind of books like adult fiction that I read and write today. Sixth grade, certainly reading all those kinds of books. So I just had amazing professors and I didn't have any other distractions. So I had Atari 2600, which you't have any other distractions. So I had Atari 2600, which you could only play for like 30 minutes tops, you know? Um, so you have that and you can't game all day long. There's no social media, there's no internet. If you're going to watch a TV show, it's on an eight, nine or 10 o'clock at night, uh, not available on demand,

obviously. And if a new movie is coming out, you're going to go and see that maybe, you know, twice a month, maybe a cool movie comes out. You're going to go on a Friday or Saturday when you're that young with your parents or maybe with, uh, with some friends on a weekend or something like that. But you're limited, you're limited in like what you can, what these, what is going to pull you away from reading. So I got to really establish this base essentially. So when I started down this path, I just, I, I didn't have to start from scratch is what I'm saying. I didn't have to wake up. I didn't wake up one morning and say, what should I do when I get out of the SEAL teams? Oh, writing would be cool. Um, but how do you do

that? Exactly. Exactly. So it's a contrary to popular belief. I mean, I don't know, like stage how far you made it in the pipeline, but, uh, third phase, they'd have a whole like three weeks on how to write. That's zero phase. Definitely didn't get there. No, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. That third phase after Hell Week, it's like, okay, writing courses. Here we go. This is how you do it.

This is how you market yourself. I know you didn't make it there. This is how you market yourself. This is how you do this. No, they don't have any of that stuff. He's a publisher. Exactly. Here's our connections.

No, there's none of that. But I felt like i was i'd been doing the work already to prepare me for what i wanted to do next uh so i didn't have to go and think what should i've been reading for the last 30 years let me go back and start now i already had done all of that so i knew exactly what i liked as a reader from the fan perspective kind of like quinn tarantino didn't go to film school but he is a student of film because he loves film. As it turns out, he innately knew how to say the N-word. Dude, his child... Have you read his book?

I read the Cinema... What's the last book? What's the title? I'm losing it right now. Anyway, the book that he wrote just a year ago or so. Just a year ago. Phenomenal. He does the first chapter. He reads it and then has somebody else take over

which phenomenal yeah yeah i read it i didn't do the audiobook audiobook he does the first chapter by himself and then transitions into another individual but again like his childhood leading up into cinema on how he got into black black boy black boy black yeah yeah how he got into that whole genre fucking fantastic yeah and he goes into that whole genre fucking fantastic and he goes back and he has a podcast and he can recall so many different things from all these films from he likes the 70s like he loves the 70s cinema um but i love listening to that and you learn so much about the history of film by listening to that podcast by reading that book um i mean it's encyclopedia but not because he studied it because he loves it. And so that's his passion, obviously.

And that was yours. This was mine. Yeah, exactly. So I never really thought about it in terms of the odds or anything like that. So I just thought, this is what I'm going to do next. And all my bandwidth went into making it the best book it could possibly be. Next one, I was already writing the second book before I even submitted the first book to Simon & Schuster. I flew to Mozambique to go do some on-the-ground research over there because I knew that that was going to be a very significant part of this next phase of the journey for my character. Because I knew that John Grisham, he wrote A Time to Kill first, and he couldn't give that book away.

Then he writes The Firm, Tom Cruise is in the movie, off it goes, and we have a John Grisham novel every year or two a year ever since uh but if he had stopped after that first book then we wouldn't and he'd probably just be retiring from law practice right now probably miserable and hating it um but uh then they make the movie of a time to kill it I think a time to kill is arguably his best book I haven't read some of the more recent ones because I got a little little busy but the of the earlier ones I do love a time to kill and uh and that's the one that he for some reason he couldn't he couldn't uh give away um and by that i mean he couldn't didn't sell as well as the next ones obviously which how it works a lot yeah so i was like well i'm gonna you know if the second one i'm gonna write two and if the second

one doesn't do do well then i'll reevaluate and figure some things out but i did i didn't know a time to kill was a book yeah Yeah. Like the movie is incredible. Yeah, it's a great movie. They did a great job with a great adaptation. Obviously, Matthew McConaughey, you know, he's already kind of

on that path. What is it? Days Unconfused? Right, right, right. Oh, we're in Austin. That's right. Yeah, we're kind of on tour.

Enforcing my opponent. Yeah, he's a great guy. Oh, really? Yeah. He didn't come on the podcast? Well, never say never, but we'll'll see yeah yeah but uh but yeah he was great in that obviously and like all those films they did a great job with those grisham adaptations in the 90s and that was a good time like that

was a great time to be writing and having your stuff adapted to film because there was box office and today box office there's no vhs there there's no DVD, there's none of that. Streaming is a little tough because who controls that data? So it's a very interesting landscape to navigate now. But I'm essentially a student of it. I've always been a student of warfare. I'm still a student of warfare. I'm a student of my craft.

I'm always trying to get better. I want my next book to be better than this one. That's always the goal. And thus far, I think I've done that. So this is my favorite one to date because I think I accomplished that by having to be better than the one before. But yeah, it feels, I mean, getting into Chris. So that was going back to that. We took a segue. We took like a 30-minute segue. We are known for segues. It's a weird... I'm mostly curious, though, about the time between, okay, you release your first

book. It's doing really well. What is the conversation like when amazon reaches out to you it happened before the book even came out so my friend calls me out of the blue in november of 2017 the book came out in march of 2018. uh 2017 i hadn't talked to this guy for five years his name's jared shaw awesome guy so it calls me out of the blue i know exactly where i am am. I'm at Thunder Ranch in Oregon. Very nice. That's a range. Exactly. Doing some training up there.

And I get this call from Jared. I hadn't talked to him in five years. And he's like, hey, man, do you remember me? And I'm like, Jared, of course I remember you. How's it going? And he's like, man, I always wanted to thank you for what you did for me in the SEAL teams. And I was like, I couldn't remember what that was. And so he told me. It's not a core memory. Yeah. I'm like, I don't remember. I'm like, what did I do? And, uh, he's like, man,

you're the, when I said I was getting out of the military, you're the only person that sat me down in your office, talked to me about transitioning to the private sector. You introduced me to people in the private sector. Then you followed up with me to see how it was doing. And if you needed anything else, you're the only person that did that. And I always wanted to thank you. And I was like, dude, no problem. How's it going? And he said, it's going great, but I heard you have a book coming out.

And I said, yeah, I can send you, I have an early copy, it's called the Galley. And I just found out what a galley was like two weeks before. I didn't even know what that was. It's like a paperback of this that you send out to reviewers ahead of time. And I'm like, I can send you this galley thing

if you want to check it out. And he said, I'd like that, but I'd like to give it to a friend of mine. And I was like, who's that? And he said, Chris Pratt. I was like, oh, that's interesting because it's very convenient for me because that's why I envisioned playing this role. So I sent it to Jared.

Jared read it. He gave it to Chris. They met when Chris came down to Bud's to do some training for Zero Dark Thirty. So Jared was an instructor at Bud's at the time, SEAL training, and they got to know each other and hit it off. They became best friends. Yeah. Best friends.

Jared was in Chris's wedding. And Jared, awesome, awesome dude. So he gave it to Chris. Chris read it and called the next week and wanted to option it. So he optioned it first out of the gate. And then from there, he takes it and takes it to Amazon from there. So it was before. So Chris was the one who took it to Amazon.

Yep. Oh, shit. That's rad. There's a production company, kind of middle production company, MRC, who gets it first. So there's like multiple kind of levels as far as financing and all that stuff. Right.

But so Chris got it, got a showrunner, David Agilio, who's awesome. Antoine wanted it at the same time. So that's the other crazy part of the story is the exact director that I wanted, another buddy, unbeknownst to me, gave him a copy. Antoine wanted it at the same time. So that's the other crazy part of the story is the director, exact director that I wanted, another buddy, unbeknownst to me, gave him a copy. Antoine Fuqua, yep. Gave him a copy as well before it even

came out. And so Antoine wanted it at the same time that Chris wanted it. And then those guys are friends from doing Magnificent Seven together. So they just called and said, let's do it together. You weld that shit into existence. It's crazy. That's one show. So Terminal List is show that i i automatically go into like any sort of like gunplay military any sort of fucking tv show or movie i watch i'm very critical i'm just like

ah okay this is hollywood's gay idea of how military shit works or how tactics or guns or whatever that was the one show that by episode two i'm like all right you got me oh thank you like i was i was completely sold yeah from from the very beginning it was that was very good well i appreciate that it's one thing we wanted we all agreed so me antoine chris and david ageli the showrunner um what we wanted to do is stay true to that mindset of a modern day warrior like that's what we wanted we wanted somebody who's a former former military uh cop let's say firefighter, intelligence, whatever, somebody like that who sits down on their couch, cracks a beer, turns this thing on. We wanted them to know that we at least try, that we at least put in the effort to try

to get it right. And there's going to be Hollywood hot sauce to move the story along and that sort of a thing. But we wanted them to realize, okay, they at least put in the effort to do this. And so that was very important to us and still is on the one that we're filming right now. But I'm also now, I was forgiving before, like when I watched military stuff, unless it was so, you know, it's like, oh, come on.

I really tried to like not ruin it for everyone around me and not ruin it for myself also. Like I tried to let go with it, but it's- There's a point though. Yeah, I mean there there's there certainly there certainly is but now i'm even more forgiving because i see how many how how easy it is for these things to go off the rails because they're so like this is just me this is one person uh goes to my editor and her day her uh her comments content wise are the same

as they were for that first book explain this a little more for someone who wasn't in the military or explain this a little more for someone who hasn't read all the books up to this like those are kind of the the only kind of content edits that i get but now when i see how easy it is for like 350 people working on a show or how yeah all these there's a lot of moving pieces this is horrible it's all on me there's no one else to blame now when you're dealing with 350 people or you're going all the way up to the top execs at amazon and back down with notes just on scripts and everything else when you're dealing with time constraints budgetary constraints uh you might not

be able to get the weapon systems that you want because of ffls or what's in your what state you're filming in or now internationally you need help it's crazy seriously yeah it's a whole thing like atf when does fast grocery delivery through instacart matter most when your famous grainy Yeah, it's a whole thing. Like ATF. So download the app and get delivery in as fast as 60 minutes. Plus enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Involved in all this stuff, it's like serious. So that's why sometimes you can't get the exact thing that you need. Like there's just one weapon that I want to get in this final episode.

So I'm writing the final episode of this new show. Go on, go on. I'm not going to say what it is because it's kind of like saying that you want a certain actor to play something and then you don't get it. We can cut this if we need. But it's in Budapest. So it means you had to have figured that out

six months ago in order to do all the paperwork to get it there for filming now. So it's like one of those things. So now's one of those so i so now when i watch a show i realize all these factors come into play like if i see you guys running around and it looks like they're running around with uh like kind of ars from the 90s but it's a contemporary show yeah and then you're like wait what what's going what happened here well maybe they're filming in a country where that's all they have access to type of a thing so there's so different, when you're talking about weapons and all that stuff. Now I got Lord of war.

If you think about it, when they, they do the scene about like the AK 47, everything in the back rack is a VZ 58. Oh, they were filming in Czechoslovakia. So that's all I can get. See? So that's exactly it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

So, so now those are not AK-47s. I know AK-47s. I'm going to ruin it for everybody around you. You know? Yeah. So now I'm much more forgiving because I see just how difficult it is, one, to make anything, and then two, to make anything good. So it's really interesting. But I'm a student of it.

I love it. I love learning. I love learning the screenwriting side of the house. Hopefully that makes me better at this and vice versa. So it's fun. Remaining a student is, I think that's my thing. You're fucking crushing it. I have a request.

Not quite a request. I'm just throwing this out here. We all want to get killed by you. If you're a cunt. That's how we're ending this podcast if there's any scene whatsoever where a terrorist could die just random terrorist number four yeah or two mexicans yeah brandon got you covered on the mexican we would love to die cartel got it it's fun you know it's it's fun and we'll i think we're filming the next one we're not

actually not sure exactly where we're gonna film it yet true believer the second book uh we'll start filming that i think it's sometime in 2025 we start it but um i'll keep you guys in mind because it's cool to see how they do it because when i got killed in terminalist so episode three beginning episode three shoot out with chris pratt but what they do to make bullet holes you know about this they've put bullet holes into well in glass so i'm in the in the car and it's a shootout between me and chris pratt i'm shooting through he's shooting through glass and they take these like you know the metal straws uh they line those up under the dash so the camera can't see them in and they have little ball bearings in there and they have a little explosive charge

and so there's all these wires so it looks like it looks like you're wired to like for a first sort of a car bomb type thing is how it looks and uh there's somebody on the side over there that has their ipad or whatever else and they're they're touching these things off and they're shooting into the glass so it looks like bullet holes oh that's pretty great you have those did you do the paintballs with the sparks too no didn't do that one they might have done it in another scene but i don't think so but in this one it was just blanks in the uh in the pistols and then those ball bearings going into the glass so i had to wear my like where the gators so the glass wouldn't get my eyes and they put the squib blood squib in the headrest so when he shoots me in the head i throw

my head to the side and it goes up there like that i was that fucking guy like you know how like virgins will watch lord of the rings they're like oh did you know when he kicked the home and he broke his foot like that sort of shit i I was like, hey, do you know that's the writer? Yeah, that was fun. Shootouts fucking insane. That was killer. No, it's fun to do and they wouldn't let me do the stunt. So the stunt was Chris back in the Land Cruiser, which looks almost exactly like my real Land Cruiser into the car that I'm in. And I was kind of like, you know, I can do that. I'm just a little look offender better. I can do that. And they said, no, you're not contractually or whatever. You have to have a stuntman do it and uh so i said okay but then i saw it in real life and it was i was like oh i'm kind of glad i didn't do that because in real life it looked not yeah in real life it

looked like it doesn't look as bad on film but in real life i was like oh yeah i'm okay maybe i shouldn't have done that i'm glad they didn't let me do that kind of like hitting a tree maybe yeah it was it was it was pretty cool we're not going to talk about that okay yeah but the guy who doubled me is mick rogers who's a legendary hollywood stuntman who was mel gibson's double and lethal weapon where he gets the handcuff to the guy on the top of the roof you know and jumps off with that guy and so that was that was mick rogers that did that stunt so it was cool that's rad stunt guys go through thankfully they just did Fall Guy, which was Emily Blunt and Ryan Gosling. And that movie.

He's literally me. It was directed by a stunt guy. And the level of shit those guys go through. I did a little stuff in LA and Hollywood and watching what they experience is insane. They get beat up. It's rough. It is serious learning how to fall down stairs that like concrete stairs that scares the fuck out of me you're gonna get hurt right pads

they have pads but you're still just following the guys in uh what was one of the worst stunts in uh terminal list oh the worst ones um i'm trying to think well from the viewer perspective what did it look like i'm trying to think of ones where someone got really beat up i don't know if it was the worst it was falling down well oh i know mountainside i know yeah the mountainside yeah that's chris that's chris romrell awesome dude that any mountainside where you're just falling i know they're doing that oh yeah it was all physical. So that's him jumping. You can go to Chris Romero's Instagram, and the picture on his thing is him doing that jump.

That's his little picture. And it is an amazing picture. And he's cool. He's a big guy like Chris. He's a big dude. And Romero, he can just stand here and do a backflip. He's like, that agile is a big dude. It's crazy.

So that one was probably it. But then in the tunnel sequence, when the guys are attached to the cables, and there's in the beginning, there's that explosion, and they all go flying. And before they take that out with visual effects, the cables yank these dudes, and it throws them hard. Yeah, it's pretty serious. But it's cool.

Is there anything in the book that you wish made it to the show? You know, I knew there was going to be changes. So I remember first blood, the book from 1972 written by David Morrell, very different than the Sylvester Stallone movie, both fantastic, both very different from one another. Um, and so I was going into it. I knew there would be differences, uh, in my head before it, before Chris, or as I'm writing it, I'm thinking, Oh, you do one killing episode like in my head i'm like okay that'd be awesome um and then when you get everyone together in the writer's room together and put the outline together and all that stuff and you see it starting to take

shape you realize they're story arcs per episode and then story arcs over the entire season and all of those sorts of things so um so i went into student mode once again just absorbing learning um so maybe cutting that maybe but we'll i think we're gonna move we'll move it to another episode move another season like you can take things that uh maybe didn't make it in from the first book and then because of how you're adapting the second one or the third one or the fourth one um you can kind of move some things around and use some of those things there's a there's a scene in the book where uh james reese cuts somebody's heads off and leaves it on a gate.

There was an ISIS flag over the top of it. It'd be kind of cool to do that. So we might see that next season. I think I should work it in somewhere. It's a natural thing to work in somewhere. God, man. So you took everything you learned from that first writing and then you're like, okay, I'm going to start using and incorporating everything I'm learning from the Hollywood style of screenwriting and then adapt it together. And that helped you with the last couple of books? Or did you start incorporating a little bit of measures in that?

Yeah, I wouldn't say that. So I don't write this and think about how it will be adapted. I don't do that. But I think the more natural things, like if you were to the first book that would have been influenced by the Terminalist TV show would have been In the Blood just because of timing. So I can definitely look at that and see that the flashbacks that I give my main character were almost certainly influenced by the flashbacks that James Reese has in the TV show of his wife and daughter. So it's more things like that rather than um than like strict rules or something like that it's more like more feelings emotions storytelling rather than oh how would this adapt could you do like even in that when you do really good with flashbacks it's like those moments where it's like he wakes up yeah ptsd or just memories and he's waking up

from a dream yeah you do a fantastic job of that thank you you. I like writing those because I think we're all, we were making a decision in life. You're thinking about past experience. You're trying to take those past lessons, apply them going forward as wisdom. And so he's doing the same thing as a different guy. Each book, he's not just the same person that's plopped into a different scenario.

Every book, he's a different person in each book because he's evolving. Hopefully like we all are on this journey called life. Hopefully we're not the exact same person today than we were yesterday. Hopefully we learned something from yesterday. And so I try to incorporate that in here, but it's a very natural thing. And I think that's why these books have really resonated with people is because everyone is on a journey and James Reese is on a journey, not the same person in every book. So I think that I didn't think about that at the outset when I started writing it,

but now looking back, I think that's probably part of the appeal. How many books do you think you're going to get out of James Reese? I don't know. People are going to have to read this one

to see what happens in this one because maybe this is the last one. We'll see. You tell me you didn't finish any last? No, I've not finished.

I had like, I'll be honest, I was like three days, and I was like, I must read it. And I started like pow-plowing through this thing. I was like, okay, I got this. But I'll be writing in some way, shape, or form, depending on who will see which character follows and that sort of thing.

I gave myself, very intentionally gave myself options from the very beginning. Because I have another character intertwined with it. There's multiple generational characters that I can go back to. I talk about James Reese's grandfather in World War II, another family called the Hastings family and their history in Rhodesia. So I have all these different, and that was done very intentionally. And I like that from Stephen Hunter's writing.

If you guys read Stephen Hunter, Point of Impact, they made it in the movie Shooter with Mark Wahlberg, directed by Antoine Foupa. And so he has multi-generational characters as well. So part of the same family, part of the same universe, but you can go back to World War II era and then contemporary as well. So you seem like a student of history in that way

that you've looked into things like the Rhodesian Bush War and stuff like that. Has that kind of had an impact on the way you write? I think so, because it's something that Like you've looked into things like the Rhodesian Bush Warren and stuff like that. Is that kind of like had an impact on the way you write? I think so, because it's something that differentiates these books and that I hadn't read about that in other books before. So for me, it was very natural having gone to Africa, having talked to professional hunters who some of them that had very close touch points with Rhodesian, even though we're almost a generation removed now um it's wild to think about isn't it it's crazy um but growing up soldier fortune again seeing those pictures not really understanding like the geopolitics of anything or whatever but just seeing the pictures seeing the guys and essentially like udt shorts and uh you know fnfal's out there

um seeing those helicopters i don't know if i'm pronouncing it right the alouette three is that how you say it like the i have no idea just all those kind of very, you can see a picture and you know that it's Rhodesia. If you see a picture of a certain helicopter or a certain person wearing UDT shorts, essentially, and a camouflage blouse and all that stuff. Yeah, exactly. You like Blood Diamond? Yeah. Is that it?

Literally? Nice. Sketchy people wear Brightling. Is that the exact watch? I nice yeah sketchy people that's it and i put a little i put one uh put one in here the fuck is that's awesome not that exact one but a different a different one in here on the bad guys yeah right wing military industrial companies seriously uh-huh it's a thing it's a real thing and it branded with it now they're not gonna be sponsors now sorry history nerd cuz that's one segment is you transition perfectly into is like what

is your favorite part of history like Wars we're like you have a Rhodesia World War two which ones you're like okay I really gravitated towards this yeah clearly you're a student of history but there's a lot of like the lesser Where you have Rhodesia, World War II, which ones are you like, okay, I really gravitated towards this piece. Yeah, clearly you're a student of history, but there's a lot of the lesser known. There's the very popular, like the Normandy Beach D-Day, World War II. Certain things are very well known, but there's a lot of lesser known parts of history that are still, I would say, equally important and historically significant, even though a lot of people don't talk about them. Right. Well, certainly Radish is one.

And I think people are just kind of almost, I don't want to say scared. It's not the right, I guess it's a sensitive topic, I guess is the best way to put it. So why do that when you could do something else? I guess maybe, or maybe people just don't know about it or it didn't interest them or whatever reason. Even things like Mogadishu.

Yeah, the Mog. A lot of people don't talk about it. Like Black Hawk Down got made and then everybody after that was like yeah that that sums it up and it got left behind it's an insane battle there was other things going on before and after uh of course the the battle but yeah i just like pulling out different things that you can really dive into that like if you were to take d-day um of course people know d-day they know june 6th they know that story for the most part. But now you can watch it

through the eyes of like of Saving Private Ryan. You can watch it through Tom Hanks character and you can do that. So you have a mission within kind of buried within that. So I like that. I like that historical type fiction,

both in books and in film because I think it makes it more palatable. I guess is one way to put it, which is fun. Thank you. I think I got a little bit more left, but I should keep this guy cold. So I don't know if there's a favorite. Favorite's not, I guess, maybe the right term.

But if you saw my library at home, it's organized by period and then by generally terrorism, generally insurgencies, like that sort of a thing. Or here's Iraq, here's Afghanistan, here's Africa. And then there's subsections there. and it's all broken down that way so it's not a very um i guess no one else could really figure out where to find something there yeah it's all somebody i was on a thing the other day and he's a guy i was talking about he's a reader and he came home from work and his wife had arranged all his books by color and had taken off the dust jackets and thrown them away to include uh to include a uh first edition signed einrand uh atlas shrugged and uh and so i asked him on air it was live and i and i said well what is your new wife knows not

to do that right and uh jesus yeah so yeah crazy so we put him back in his order but i think everybody has a different way they organize things you know maybe by color might not be the i don't know i just picture that like babe look what i did for you i know oh you're like oh you bitch and then turns around and walks outside i love you honey yeah i love you yeah i'll be bringing some other. I love you. Hubby's going to Tijuana for the weekend. Yeah.

Yeah, but I love those little other stories that, you know, small or lesser known kind of histories within histories that I like to bring out or highlight in the pages of the book, even if it's just something that I'm interested in and want to go back to later or think a reader might reader might be interested in, because I loved growing up where I could figure out what was going on by context. So let's say I'm a sixth grader, seventh grader, eighth grader. I'm reading one of these books. I'm reading, let's say, The Brotherhood of the Rose by David Murrell. And I'm reading this thing. And there's a sentence in there that I don't

really understand because I'm not old enough to understand what he's talking about. I'm not familiar with that part of history, but I understand it by understand because I'm not old enough to understand what he's talking about. I'm not familiar with that part of history. But I understand it by context because it doesn't take me out of the story. But it's something I want to go back to and accuse my interest in it. So I do the same thing. I think that's because of the history I have just as a reader, as a fan. That's insane. That is that level of – it's Tarantino level of writing and then being like, I want to do this.

I'm going to do this, and I'm going to be the best at this. Yeah, just saying the N-word a lot. Minus that's what you don't do. Do you like feet? I feel like I missed a portion of an earlier episode. Tarantino. He has his little tropes.

What's the shot? When do you have to take the shot when you say, was it community earlier? When somebody says something, you just have to take the shot when you say was it a community earlier somebody says something you just had to take the shot it's when you like i say i just say community just because we have uh i don't know why we i just always said because i'm very thankful for the audience we have so i always call them a community because they like rally behind everything we do we did like my kiddo last uh last week we or two weeks ago i just did a quick segment where i was like hey right in Ryden, my son, he's autistic. And he just did his first YouTube channel.

He launched it. And he had two subscribers. And then he went to his mom and was like, I have zero comments. So I asked everyone out there. I was like, hey, guys, Ryden just started a thing. Can you just leave a quick comment? There was 3,500 all on his first video and then like five and ryan autism is reading all of them and we have to film all so he's like all right this person said this and

they're all super positive they're all good oh dude it's like all like 99.9 of our youtube community is just fucking the kindest humans in the world and they rally behind it that's why you'll see nothing but positivity even though we have our jokes like even that's what people the way i describe our community is like we are chaotic uh chaotic good yeah that's like yeah we're yeah sure we make a bunch of offensive jokes and we make a bunch of offensive jokes and we make a bunch of jokes about shit that people don't think is funny but like it's it's super dark but at the same time we're also like here on a very positive sense we raise a lot of money for good causes and like at the end of the day everybody's here to support each other i think that's

that's what's important veteran especially do veteran like the veteran causes we do that's where yeah we will do above and beyond in the veteran world. Especially for PTSD and raising awareness. Which ones do you guys do? Boot campaign. Yeah, we've raised. This year at the end of November we'll do our veterans

charity month and in two days for boot campaign, streaming being drunk, being chaos, we raised $250, 000 playing video games today as a goal of mine i would love to raise another quarter mil for the boot campaign on in november oh yeah 100 some some veteran cause in november i would love to do that what's one of your veteran causes we can do something with you guys too yeah rescue 22 uh they train up service and support dogs for uh oh fuck it so yeah so john divine buddy my from the seal teams uh started that one um best defense

foundation taking the world war ii veterans back to these battlefields on which they fought um we're all we're in june right now obviously um so that those are those are two of the the big ones one more contemporary obviously and then the then the other focused on honoring those veterans who gave us the ability to be here right now. Jack, you said Rescue 22? Rescue 22. Hey, if you guys want to donate to a very good cause, check out Rescue 22. Bam. Look at that.

Nice. It's right here. It's right here. Right around this area. As it's buzzing around because we're all talking. Oh, does it float? Yeah. Oh, man.

So when you say hit the subscribe button, it pops up? Yeah. Like that sort of thing? Jamie, pull up Rescue 22, please. You guys are next level. Yeah, you're going to see. You'll be like, it's one of those weird things where it is. It's coming onto a podcast where you're like,

ah, I should have watched an episode before i was on it but then you see the support and then everyone is so fucking positive especially because like because we have the best what eli what what do we have community yeah there we go take a shot but because of them we are we can do amazing things it's fucking dope we got super blessed with it love it dark humor man that's yeah yeah that rains well yeah rescue rescue 22 for contemporary and i'd say best defense foundation.org then for uh to honor those guys who aren't gonna be with us and then where can we find your fucking book dog bam anywhere books are sold but officialjackcar.com That's probably the hub of everything right there.

That's the podcast is there. The merch is there. All the other books, a little bit about the television show, all that sort of thing. So officialjackcar.com. But Jack Car USA is the handle for the social channels. And then any tour you're doing for autographs or anything? Yeah, yeah. So start this tomorrow night. Not sure when this drops. We'll get it out. We'll probably push this out this coming

Saturday since you have a book release. We can bump it up to the front of the list. I'll still have a few more days left after that. I do book tour start today tomorrow in Austin and then go through the next 10 days and then back to Budapest to wrap the show out there. Do a few more weeks

of filming out there and wrap that thing. I'll be filming my episode during that time so that'll be pretty cool and what can we expect from you in the future oh well uh oh you're fucking fuck your bay route book are you doing that yes yes what uh so my first non-fiction yeah yeah so well this this uh this tv show right now is the uh it's an origin story prequel uh tayloritsch plays Ben Edwards, and it's kind of the story of how he takes this journey to get him to a place where he can do the things that he does in The Terminalist, I guess is the best way to say it for people who haven't watched yet. So it's not doesn't spoil it for him. But it's pretty cool because it's like starts kind of action and then moves into espionage thriller was still a lot of action but uh whereas terminalist was revenge thriller psychological thriller political thriller this is more of an espionage thriller which is really cool

to see and the scripts are next level i think we like anything else you build up political capital working with uh with a group and you prove your value to them so there are a lot less questions this time than there were last time you mentioned how it's a little different terminalist about like when we killed that well this isn't too much of a spoiler because it happens like the first page of the book essentially and in the first episode um but that typically doesn't happen in shows like this that you it's a little bit different the way that arc goes um so there are a lot of questions about that and people were very nervous about that but they trusted us and we got to do it and then they'll never share the exact data but it paid off um and we have the spin-off

and then true believer coming uh after that and that's the the second book in the series but my first non-fiction foray into non-fiction beirut um 1983 is uh about the marine beirut barracks bombing and it was so impactful to me as a kid because i saw those news i knew what i was going to do already in life i knew i was going into the military already at that age and then i saw newsweek and i saw time. Those are the two magazines we got at our house. I got to see the news that we watch on TV at six o'clock, got to see the newspaper in the morning and these visuals of what happened there in October of 1983 and how that really set the tone for everything else that was to follow. It was really a seminal moment in our

history as a country when you think about it in terms of our foreign policy because we talk tough right afterward and then we quietly leave in early 1984. so essentially we taught the enemy a lesson that terrorism works and it started back then really in beirut 1983. there was an embassy bombing in april of that year so there's a lead up and the talking points from the administration at that time where the marines there were peacekeepers and in talking to these guys and doing the interviews for this book that comes out in october in september um they were not they were in combat these guys were 100 in combat during that time and then culminates with the with the bombing in october 83. so it's uh it So it was to hear these guys tell that story

because it impacted everything that they've done since. And then to also have declassified documents from the Reagan administration that show what was happening back in the White House, who was advocating to put Marines ashore, who wanted to keep them on ships in the Med. Like all that stuff allows you to now get a more, a fuller picture of what was actually happening.

So that's the first one in this nonfiction series that comes out in September. And there's a few other projects in the works as well. So it's a, it's go, go, go fucking love. Cody, do your magic.

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