Unsubscribe Podcast - 166 - Killdozer, Tuskegee & Government Conspiracies ft. The Lore Lodge | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 166

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

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we have a lot of autism shirts also that it's not PTSD it's nostalgia my favorite part of that it looks like it's the midnight style like 80s outrun kind of like out and cover. Except there's the helicopters in the background.

Wait, there's helicopters? Look out the window. Oh, there is? Yeah. Dude, and a PlayStation? Look, we're all growing boys. We're just a goofy group of boys. Just a wacky bunch of groups.

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I'm joined today by Eli DoubleFab, Fat Electrician, the Aidens from Laura Lodge, Brandon Herrera, and myself, Donut Operator. And we appreciate the f*** out of every one of you. I said f*** the first 20 seconds. Don't bleep it. Okay. We're going to bleep that. Or maybe we won't. I know. F*** seconds. Don't bleep it. Okay. We're going to bleep that. Or maybe we won't. I know.

Fuck money. We hate money. Hey, we're on a good start. We are dry. Most of us are dry. We were out shooting guns for a Brandon video today. Yeah, that was a good video, which by the time this comes out, that'll be well out. Oh, yeah.

Father's Day. by the time this comes out that'll be well out oh yeah father's day we recreated the uh the gary plushie uh shooting uh where he uh basically decided that he was going to take matters into his own hands and not let the justice system be light on the man who yeah his son and shot him in an airport like a fucking g and got away with it such a good shot, too. We recreated that today in Brandon's video. The under the arm shot. I think we only managed to get the head four times, square on the head.

Everyone hit him. It was the 500. The 500 was a little fucking wild. Nerves went up when the 500 came out. It was like... We were four feet away but the barrel was two feet long yeah so he's knocked over the mannequin we started out with the the same gun that he used it was a 38 special right yeah like a little 38 special revolver something similar to

what he would have used yeah and then we just got a little trigger yeah we got a little i forgot to talk about how nice that gun was it was a very nice gun we got a little wacky though and then we brought out the 500. Because you know what? Anything's worth doing is worth overdoing, I think is what you said. Science. Especially when it comes to taking out ****. Yeah. Didn't he have sunglasses on, too? Oh, yeah. Did you guys put on sunglasses

for extra effect? We did. We had our eye pro on. But those are those, yeah. We pretended to be on a phone. We were like, oh, hey, babe. Turn and shoot. That's my person. I don't know you. But then you see how close he shot everyone else.

And you're like, homeboy got lucky he hit everyone. Camera dude. Or he didn't hit anyone. Oh, yeah. Other than the guy he wanted to. And then camera guy got super lucky when you visualize where he's recording that little episode. And then homeboyboys head goes down. It was a good shot.

It was a fun video. It was good. It was good. That little 38 was just bouncing around in his skull. Their camera guy didn't get hit. It was a fucking great day. You know, neutralized all those thoughts of children.

What? Wait, no, Connor, we can rebuild him better and with less love for children. I see scooping brains back into the building, we have the technology. How are you guys doing? How was travel?

Welcome, welcome. I hate flying so much. Yeah, it was fine for me, but this poor guy. Yeah, that's all I really had to say. I just, like, I'm so glad I'm here. I am very grateful for being here. When I tell you I, like, was praying the entire time we were taking off and landing, I hate flying. But I'm glad I'm here.

And Texas is very flat compared to Pennsylvania. What is it about flying? What? What do you not like about flying i want to say that it's you know got some sort of deep-rooted traumatic story where i was you know born into a family of planes and then abandoned uh but that's 9-11 yeah yeah exactly oh god uh no so i don't even have that like i don't even have anything associated with 9-11 i just i i get up there and i'm ah, my entire life is in the hands of some guy in the cockpit who hopefully doesn't. Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know.

Also, the fly-by-wire thing. How they're like, oh, yeah, Airbus. Oh, we would fly as a plane with new mechanics. No, I don't like that. Like, give me a mechanical backup. Why French? Because Airbus is a French company. Well, they're European, technically.

Oh, potato, potato. That's still disgusting. Exactly. I never knew. You get me. Two months after 9-11, I didn't realize there was a, it was the worst, it's one of the worst plane wrecks ever was two months after 9-11. 9-11 happened, though, so it didn't get much news.

Copycat. No, it was a fucking plane went up out of New York. I know. New York, plane left york and just crashed two months after 9-11 killed 250 people i was like this what just plane just 747 tanked in guy pulled up pilot uh used too much correction broke the rudder and it just fucking i haven't i have it on good authority that mh370 was in fact sucked into a wormhole yeah i've been i've been reliably your comment i hate that guy that guy that twitter guy i hate him

hey i've seen donnie dark i know how this works yeah no i mean you know the toroidal donut wormhole shapes and the physicists he's the guy we showed uh so corridor we gave him the vfx that was used for that shot and he was like it doesn't match it's like a 98 match and it was still like no it's it's no oh well every pixel has to match i mean it's only a match if every pixel matches because vfx artists don't manipulate any of their art to make it a little different and so that's the thing is like we appreciated what corridor did. I'm a big fan of corridor. And when Ashton was not happy with what we did, we were like, well,

let's just take it a step further. I am not a VFX artist. So I just pulled up premiere and in a little bit in the second video that we did, I was like, Hey, so here's the source clip they used. Here's how you color correct that about five seconds. Here's how you match that up. It's not pixel for pixel because that's not how VFX works, but here's what it is, and you tell me how it looked. It's, if you were to switch it out,

his with the one that's in it, you would not be able to tell. Like, you would not know. The only difference was that because we were working with a YouTube video uploaded in 2014 that was, I think, in maybe 720, if that, and he was working in Premiere in 2023 with 4K graphics, obviously ours was sharper,

but it looked exactly the same for all intents and purposes. So for those, I vaguely remember this happening. I remember Corridor doing something on it, but that was a long time ago. What exactly was the original video and the claim oh so back in 2014 uh this account called regicide anon up and already anon this is probably 4chan like we all know that 4chan's whole thing is duping people and this video is uploaded by regicide anon to youtube in 2014 uh i think it was he claimed it was like march 12th but i think the video was uploaded may 15th yeah there's a couple weeks after that yeah it was like a malaysian flight yeah yeah the flight was i think march 9th uh this video he'll he said he

received on march 12th he posts it may 15th um And this video is a thermal... Was the thermal the first one or the second one, actually? Well, they were technically both thermal. One was supposed to be essentially an IR satellite, but it was a composite of multiple different satellites. We'll ignore the fact that at that point, only two of the supposed nine satellites had even been launched. But aside from that, the other one was supposed to be a thermal camera

from a... what kind of drone was it? It was an Mq1c predator yeah and so it was it was two different videos from two supposed ir sources and different frame rates which i love they just failed to ignore it like one is at like 10 frames a second the other is at 30 or 60 yeah one's at six and one's at i think 24 but both explosions have four frames in the explosion which also means it doesn't fucking, it's not realistic. Yeah. And so we, you know, we pointed all of this out to the guys, but yeah.

So it's this video. I don't know. Dude, Ashton, by this dude will, it does not matter how much evidence you show him. He was like, nope. Wormholes. The government knows how to do portals. They teleported everyone out of there and that's you can see based on the government doesn't know how to get fresh water in flint michigan what the

fuck are we talking about the government doesn't know how to build a website yeah but we know teleportation well the thing that makes me laugh is that aside from any of the portal elements the most damning thing in my opinion was that in both of the portal elements, the most damning thing, in my opinion, was that in both of the IR camera footage, the heat signatures oppose each other. In one of them, everything else is cold and the plane's hot. In the other one, everything else is cold, the plane's cold. Yeah. So there's no way it's the same. Well, you can't win them all.

Yeah, and then he's like, oh, well, it's been color corrected. And you're like, so it's been edited, you're saying. They have the exact cloud image that it was used. They went that far as they found a cloud on NASA.com or the Weather Channel that was used. As the asset? Yes. Yeah. So he's been handed all the assets in Ashton still to this day.

If you go on his Twitter, he's trying to get on Joe Rogan to prove how this is a real theory. And you're like, oh. There's one dude I don't like. There's a couple. He's one of them. The other is the one guy. Here's my conspiracy to that conspiracy. He's a paid government plant to make conspiracy theorists sound crazy.

I have accused him of that. I'm not even kidding. I'm not sure how serious I was. I think I was probably drunk. But I was like, everything you do makes people like us seem illegitimate like you're i think exactly what i said was you're the cia's favorite creator right now or something along those lines was like because you think about it all he's doing is getting up there he's like oh my god look at all of this evidence and and all this crazy stuff that's going on and then you look at it and it's

clearly not real and then the people like us were like hey uh so the government kind of did you know the tuskegee experiment everybody thinks that like the government infected people with syphilis then checked out was no they took people who already had syphilis and told them they were treating it but then in 1946 they went down to guatemala and actually did that to more people yeah to way more people uh and keep in mind this is just like the government how how the government will fuck you well on that we used we opened that video with wendigoon's quote the uh yes i love yeah if and remember kids if you think the government wouldn't do that they will like it's whatever oh yes they would oh yes they would yeah yeah so we i think we opened the video with that but in 1946 they go down to gu to Guatemala and they infect people with syphilis and gonorrhea and all these different diseases.

Sounds like spring break to me. Yeah, exactly. I gave a content warning for the first time ever. We have never given a content warning, trigger warning, anything like that because I felt sick reading the thing I was reading. How did this entire thing – we'll start with this piece of history because I don't even know that side of it okay i know it all started with woodrow wilson yeah no it's it was i so i think if i remember correctly i think it started under roosevelt but the tuskegee experiment was oh yeah the other guy that's responsible for most of the shit. Yeah, Woodrow Wilson's my least favorite president who wasn't in a wheelchair.

Anyway, sorry. You triggered my two fucking hating presidents. The wheelchair one caught me off guard. Fucking go back in time and Spartan kick him down the steps. Oh, my God. Yeah. caught me off guard. Fucking go back in time and Spartan kick him down the steps. Oh my God. Fuck. Yeah. But yeah,

so Tuskegee, what happened was in the 19, it was what, the 30s, right? It was late 1920s they planned it. Yeah. And back then

they did not have antibiotics. You didn't have anything. What they thought was the same way chemotherapy works where they were like, we're going to do a whole bunch

of toxic chemicals and we're going to hope it kills the bacteria before it kills you. And that is how they did things. And it worked sometimes, uh, depending on what the disease was with syphilis, it was not a great success rate. Uh, and in Norway, there had been this study, this retrospective study of syphilis where they went and they said, all right, you know, basing this off of cases we've already treated 20 or 30 years ago, you know, how can we review these and see what the progression of syphilis is in an untreated patient? So all of these people had already either, you know, been treated or died.

There was no ethical concern, just reviewing case data. precursor to the CDC, one of the precursors to the CDC, which was formed out of like all these different public health departments, goes, hey, you know what? I'm really curious about this thing that they already totally figured out because it's 1930 and we think that black people have different immune systems. They don't. They are more susceptible to certain diseases. Like sickle cell and things like that. Yeah. Very specific instances. Typically, there's not a bacterial disease that affects races differently than each other, unless they have another underlying condition related to their race.

So there was no reason to believe that syphilis affected black people differently than white people. They had all of the data. I think they just wanted to do something, you know, they wanted to do some mad scientist evil experiment thing. So what they do is they gather up all of these African-American men, I think about 600, and they, you know, told them to come in and get tested for syphilis. And at the time, they just called it bad blood. They weren't telling you what you had. It was just, you got bad blood. Because it didn't really matter. Because there was no differentiation in treatment. You

were getting the same treatment no matter how bad your blood was. And so they brought them in. They tested them. About half of them had syphilis. About half didn't. And then they told them they were treating them all for syphilis. And then they treated none of them for syphilis. So here's the thing. This starts, I think, 1930, 1931, somewhere around there.

It's been a while since we did the video. They don't treat any of them for syphilis. They go to the local hospitals and they say, none of you are allowed to treat these men for syphilis. That's against the rules. If you treat them for syphilis. They go to the local hospitals and they say, none of you are allowed to treat these men for syphilis. That's against the rules. If you treat them for syphilis, like government's coming after you. And Jesus Christ.

That's, what's that? The Hippocratic oath. Yeah, exactly. You fucking treat these people, we'll kill you. One of the worst parts was they went and they found an African-American woman, a nurse, and they convinced her to be the woman who would go pick these men up and drive

them to their appointments for their medicine, which were actually appointments for them to track the progression of the disease. Because again, it wasn't being treated. Now here's the thing. First of all, a whole bunch of people who were not infected with syphilis at the start of the experiment, by the end of the experiment were infected with syphilis because they took this community and just told everybody they were being treated. So syphilis spread they took this community and just told everybody they were being treated so syphilis spread wildly yeah and then the worst part is that world war ii happens in the middle of this experiment and over in europe you're seeing all these people getting shot they're getting torn up on barbed wire they're getting infections and they don't know how to treat them because the arsenic sure as hell ain't doing it so they start working on antibiotics and there was this guy uh fleming who had come up with

an antibiotic a you know a mold it was weird it wasn't supposed to work britain didn't see any you know use in it and said we don't have the facilities we're at war uh you know i don't know if this works we need more testing so he went to america the u.s government funded it and said all right we'll do this you get penicillin yep mold created penicillin yeah so by 1945 1946 penicillin is a known cure for bacterial diseases including syphilis because guess what one of the most common diseases amongst uh american troops in world war ii was syphilis turns out a lot of french women have syphilis um another reason why we started out in the beginning exactly disgusting europeans so yeah so uh so in 1946 you're welcome again for the second thing in the same time frame

you have all of these uh you know now you have mass-produced penicillin. Everybody knows penicillin works. What do they do? They keep the experiment going. When did they finally kill the experiment? It was 1972. Fuck me! Because somebody found out. The media found out, and they started publishing articles on it,

and suddenly the CDC, who were like, we knew this was happening, but we weren't really paying attention to it. They like oh we should probably shut that down but the problem was that in 1946 they had sent another doctor over to Guatemala to infect a whole bunch of people with syphilis and study it even though again they had already done this study and somehow like the Guatemalan government I guess didn't know about the specifics of what was going on. But it gets worse because he went from willing test subjects to soldiers who didn't know what they were being given to mental hospital patients. Like this guy was the American Mengele. So he's just going, whatever happened to this dude?

He was like, I don't know. These people are asking too many questions about the injections I'm giving them i think i'll go ahead and start going with people who have no choice and then the soldiers had a few too many rights so he went with mental hospital patients so that they wouldn't even realize what was happening to them and he there's one thing he did to one woman that i i can't describe um because it's that like unit 7 731 it's it's that bad. This is like unit 731? It's up there. What was his name again? It's escaping me right now and that bugs me so much.

I can look it up really quick. I didn't miss that. Whatever became of him? He lived out the rest of his life. Oh, that's a shame. Yeah. In Argentina? No, he came home to the U.S.

He came home to the U.S. and went back to work for the CDC. That's fucking wild. He worked for the CDC? Yeah. The whole time. Jesus Christ. I'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised at all. It's just... Don't you remember that one time we had... My mind was killing me. I'm sorry. Don't you remember that one time there was like a pandemic and then there was like

a big political talking point of like, I don't understand why the African-American community doesn't trust us. That was a big part of the reason. So when they went down to, where'd he go? Where'd they go to for the, so you had Tuskegee and then they tasted,

tested at where? Guatemala. Guatemala. Yeah. And they just let it. Tuskegee, Alabama. And then Guatemala. I just, I forget. I think it was like Guatemala city. Just made me think of that meme. It was like libertarians, the black community, not trusting the government. So wait, it was Guatemala. They were just like, hey, we're just going to have it. They went down to Guatemala and they told the Guatemalans they were conducting an experiment and that they were going to start with prostitutes, I think it was.

No, it was prisoners. Sorry, I forgot how bad this is. Oh, great. You don't start with the super spreaders. That's a fucking great idea. Who do we test this on? The prosties. I forgot how bad this was. Yeah, they started off with prostitutes.

And what they did, they also at one point, I think there were a few children involved. They started with prostitutes because Guatemala had a rule where if you were in prison, you had a right to still hire prostitutes for reasons. And so that's what happened is they did that and they said, all right, what we're going to do is we're going to give

the prostitutes the injections. I mean, it's a conjugal visit if you think about it. Exactly. They're going to give the prostitutes the injections

and then they're going to go and they're not going to tell the prisoners, not going to tell anybody and they're just going to monitor how it spreads throughout the prison. Let's be honest.

It's a more contained version. They've already done something wrong. Right? Right? Let's be honest. It's a more contained version. They've already done something wrong. Right? Right? Let's be honest, homie. If you told the prisoners, they wouldn't give a fuck. That's probably true. Yeah.

Yeah, you're in prison, dude. They're like, will it kill me? They're like, it will. How long? I've had a pussy. He's pussy. So it just spread throughout that. How long did that go unaccounted for and then we just stopped it we stopped it because the guatemalan government found out what was going

on and then i think the obama administration apologized in 2011 god we're good at waiting like decades yeah it was kind of half-hearted i'm not gonna lie we're sorry we got caught uh-huh yep but like we won't say it until there's nobody left to get angry at us you know imagine i can't wait till uh the you know the 7 000th episode of lore lodge when you guys pass the torch you know 100 years from now where we're talking about covid like the same same way like here you go they they fucking knew that's crazy yeah it's like this is why they're on the channel like you guys have like i listen to your shit i didn't realize i i listened to it a while ago i think when show initially posted she's like hey lorelogist coming up was like oh let me check and then i had videos

like yeah red like hey I watched this stuff already. Cool. It wasn't too long ago. That stuff was embarrassing. But speaking of some of your more recent content, it's been a while since I've checked on your channel, but I saw that you had this actually a video that I didn't know was you guys, the Killdozer video, because it got pushed to my feed so many fucking times.

That video exploded for you. Which goes on to this topic. Brandon, what a transition. That was unplanned. I was also unplanned. Me too. I think we all probably were. That explains a lot about this table.

You just had to out me like that, didn't you? Incredible. I wasn't ready to open up. Aiden and Clarence. Jeffrey. Incredible. Okay, Aiden and Clarence is my ghost friend. Aiden and Clarence is my ghost friend. Jeffrey. I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about it.

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Four? Right now, GhostBed is offering 50% off all their products. Just use code UNSUBSCRIBE at checkout or go to ghostbed.com slash unsubscribe. Please buy some at ghostbed.com slash unsubscribe. I'll be under your bed if you need me. Before we go into Killdozer, how much research do you put into a single video? Because I didn't realize how much you deep dive, but you're

missing person files. You go through like, hey, here's what I think. This is why I think this. This is what they found. Here's their blot. You go through all the information. Is this the missing 411 stuff? Yeah, the missing 411 cases. cases insane amount of research and then having your own uh like mindset of what happened i was like oh dude like does his way more research than it's it's a lot um i when we were doing the killdozer video i think i was up till 6 30 in the morning three times yep um and

i had started work around noon the previous day. Oh, to be young and not out of row. Yeah, it's definitely catching up to me. It's catching up to me. This ain't going to last much longer. That's why we have the network coming up. I'm like, I need to do less work. I need to be putting out a video every two weeks so that I can, like, not kill myself.

At a certain age, you just kind of have to transition to being the boss that delegates versus the workhorse. We're on that tipping point of the seesaw right now. Because we'll trade off days of the week in which we both stay up until 3 to 6 in the morning. For him, it's usually... It's usually, like, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, and for me, it's usually Wednesday, Thursday. And, like, to give context, especially for the Killdozer video, we were supposed to film that on Monday. Yeah. We mostly ended up filming Wednesday.

A little bit on Tuesday. And during his research, I think I got three calls at different nights at like four in the morning, roughly. And he was like, you know, I'm sleeping. My girlfriend's sleeping. She's asleep. And he's like, all right, so tell me if this makes sense. It was like midnight, first of all.

Okay, not all of them. Okay. Sounds like when he drinks yeah yeah but the thing is most of the time if i see a call from him after midnight i know i'm about to spend an hour on the phone confirming or denying what makes sense in a conspiracy you ever see house yeah show house he's like my version of house's team except just chase without the accent. Yeah. So you're, you're an absolute asshole to him. You walk around with a cane, everything. It's always lupus,

you know? Yeah. Oh, he's lupus. No. So yeah, we, I'd say,

I'd say probably 40 to 60 hours of research goes into each video. Um, I usually start, uh, Wednesday. We're switching up our schedule now, but like for, for example, I'll start from now on when we get back this weekend, I usually start, uh, Wednesday. We're switching up our schedule now, but like for, for example, I'll start from now on when we get back this weekend, I'll start Monday and then I will research all day, Monday,

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then we will shoot Friday. So three, uh, yeah, four days of research. Um, usually pull in, uh, right now, you know, probably 50 hours. I'm trying to get it down to more like 40. Um, hopefully that's's that's doable but yeah because what happens is you go through the story the first time and you're like okay well i have questions about this this and this and then you go to find answers to them and then you end up finding answers but then you have questions about eight other things and it just i find myself going through the entire story like five or six times just adding details and making sure things

make sense that's what nick does every time he made a new video because was it the cheese video was off to something else and you're like oh the ice cream video led to the cheese video yeah the cheese caves and all that yeah you're like oh okay right i was talking to uh i think i was talking to my girl i don't remember what I was saying but she was like, oh, you should have Nick do a video on this topic. I don't have to ask Nick to make a video on that topic. I can't remember what it was.

I don't have to ask him to do that. All I have to do is ask him a question like, hey Nick, why is this the way it is? You're going to upset me. And then I'm like, a week later I'll get a phone call like, alright, listen here. Today we're talking about here and then the videos that it's great I called Cody the other day about fucking FDR and Star Wars minutes about FDR and Star Wars the other day let me let me let me ask you

about something real quick you like Star Wars right i'm like yeah i like star wars hold that thought i mean i'm walking into the gym he hangs up i was at the gym we talked while i was there i think we all know our friends so well we always say it's like nick will call before he's doing something and it's usually five minutes before he's about to do something it's like cody cody let me talk about fdr and star wars i'm like nick i have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You got some time, though? Yeah. Good. Good. I think I'm right about this. I'm on his side.

Do you know what I'm talking about? I'm with you. Executive order? Which one? I guarantee you what I'm thinking. 3066? I don't know them by number. Japanese internment camps? Oh, yeah. Okay. No, no, no.

I was just like, Nick, that makes a lot of fucking sense, buddy. It just came out of nowhere. Nick never calls me. Have you ever explained that? And he calls me to tell me about that. No, I was saving him for our 442nd video, but it doesn't matter. It's like... 442nd. No, the division.

All-American or all-Japanese-American combat division from World War II. So Executive Order 3066 was F gave an executive order that was just executive order 66 where he was going to get rid of all the jedis which kind of sort of dress and act like samurai which is kind of like japanese to my brain actually it was it was based off of um gate uh hidden gate the first star wars is based off yeah he uh he structured it off kira kurosawa you would know more about this than anybody. Fortress of... Yeah, that's random enough.

So technically, the first Star Wars is based off of a samurai movie. Oh, really? Yeah, like the plot. So now I'm like... Alright, this is going to be a video now, isn't it? Exactly. Nick's like, I knew it!

George Lucas poking fun at fdr calling him a dickhead i love how like the there's there's like a graph the amount of times fdr has been mentioned on unsub just spikes on this episode for no reason i i remember being in high school and going through my like u.s government and history courses and all everybody being like oh my god fdr fdr the greatest president fdr so great and you'd like start listing the things he actually did and it's like drove america further into debt worsening the depression put japanese people into camps yeah why does every u.s history teacher foam at the mouth about fdr pretty sure he cheated on his wife the liberal how he had polio not a broken spine hi i'm tara schmidt a registered dietitian and host of on nutrition a podcast for mayo clinic

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the revered progressive hero. He's the only president that's ever imprisoned people based on race alone. Exactly. Not a great superlative. And it's like the sheer sadness of the fact that he was a relative of arguably the greatest president we've ever had just breaks my heart. They're like second cousins in inbred, though. Yeah, exactly. Again, back to those europeans okay so research a lot of research goes into each and everything you do it's a lot i

usually end up going through the story a few different times it depends on what we're dealing with in in the killdozer situation the hardest part of it was the fact that a marv hemeyer's manifesto is a series of four tapes there is no written manifesto it's not even really a manifesto there's a lot of guys like the unabomber you know they wrote it out and there there was some structure to it they were trying to make a point well yeah marvin was too busy welding yeah well he recorded was like god set me on a mission literally he's like like, yeah, so one of my friends said I should probably write down the way I'm feeling, but I don't feel like writing it, so I'll just do this,

record a tape, I guess. And he's like, so back in 91, it just starts, and it just goes. How long are the tapes all together? It's like 12 hours. Two hours and 44 minutes. Two hours and 44 minutes. It's only two hours and 44 minutes, yeah.

But he goes through the whole thing, and at one point, it seems like maybe he got in his car and started driving because the audio gets really weird so i paid for a uh transcription service and just had the whole thing transcribed but the problem is it kind of gave up his manifesto yeah exactly i i gave up there's something really dark about the fact that i had an ai transcribe his manifesto now that i think about it that's a little a little dystopian uncle ted would be very sad There's something really dark about the fact that I had an AI transcribe his manifesto. Now that I think about it, that's a little dystopian. Uncle Ted would be very sad. Uncle Ted would be very confused, if we're being honest.

You just put some really great learning potential into the AI system. Oh, God, you're teaching me that? The AI's like, I agree with this. I agree with this. Now you've got 400 up-armored cyber trucks that are going to the metropolitan areas. You type into chat GPT and you're like, what do I do?

I'm having this problem with my HOA. And they're like, I suggest purchasing a Komatsu D. Yes! Well, actually... Oh my god. AI says Terminators and she says Komatsu D. There are different... As soon as ai learns how to pour reinforced concrete we're fucked avoid the hardware store

don't teach it now i go the other way marvin watch out there's a basement you just hide in home depots reinforce the radiator yeah that too oh my god but yeah so i mean if you look at like if you look at the whole situation with the tapes i had to transcribe them and i had to read them through but the transcription software gave up it gave up on punctuation on formatting any of that about a third of the way through so you have like the first third of it probably not even i'd say probably the first fifth is formatted as paragraphs some of them don't make a ton of sense it missed certain lines that you'd spoken i had to re-listen to it then you get about 20 of the way through and it's just a

wall of text with no periods commas paragraph breaks anything and it just goes for the next hour and a half so the ai slowly lost its grip on reality literally i think i started ranting at you here's the thing i was like oh okay maybe maybe it's just the length of the video or something like that no i ran through our entire donner party video which is two and a half hours long i ran it through that system came out perfect exactly to the way i had spoken it and i was like oh, it's the AI just when I can't keep track of what's going on. So I had to work my way through that. And what I would do is I would take, all right,

so the movie Tread, which is made by Patrick Brower, who was the editor of Sky High News. I took that and I took Marty Meyer's tapes and I went, okay, like let's compare them. What doesn't match? And then anything that didn't match, I went through and I checked, okay, are there news articles?

Is there a witness testimony? Was there a court case? Something like that. And I'll pull it all together. And what I found, interestingly enough, every single time there was a disconnect between Marf Heemeyer's version of events and Patrick Brower's version of events, it was Patrick Brower that was lying. Every time. Which was interesting. It makes you think, right? Things that make you go, hmm.

But part of the problem was what you're dealing with here is this is not something that was really heavily covered on the ground outside of Granby. You had Granby's local journalist who was basically Patrick Brower who's just reporting his feelings on the topic and what the people who are still

alive have to say. Marv, of course, is dead. Nobody knows he had any sort of tapes yet, any of it. So I guess you can give them the credit of maybe they didn't totally know why they were being attacked. I'm pretty sure you could put together some context clues. That guy I really pissed off drove a bulldozer through my business. Why? Here's the thing.

Why, Gary? Why, Gary? Why? Here's how you know that they knew they had done something wrong. After he left Cody Docheff's plant and he hit Mountain Park Electric, the moment he drove onto that property, every single one of the people he eventually was going to go after knew they were at Target and started evacuating. Yeah, because he got in a bulldozer fight with somebody.

Yeah, with Cody Docheff. Oh, yeah. And so you didn't do anything wrong. I think it was his son buying a bulldozer. I don't think it was. It was like a. It was something. It was another piece of bulldozer.

It was like a backhoe It was something that stood no chance Against a bulldozer and literally just pushed him Right out of the fucking way He was like I got a backhoe Let's do this thing Big boy battle bots dude He came out and they were like ready to go at it

And then yeah fucking Marvin just like pushed him out of the way into a ditch Like somebody going ape shit with a katana And just like, cool, I got a pocket knife. And they tried shooting at the thing. Yeah. You gotta try, in fairness. I mean, it's like the Death Star with the exhaust port. Yeah.

Which, in fairness, was his fatal flaw. Did you know they threw flashbangs did you know they threw flashbangs down there like which didn't work did it but also i'm thinking about that i'm like you threw flashbangs down the exhaust you could have blown the thing up like it was diesel still the whole thing came to an abrupt end and it only took one round of 357 though yeah crazy yeah crazy yeah i'll do it r.i.p but yeah i mean if you look into the story the moralist don't put the dude's name gary apparently oh my bad yeah so marv was just i mean for the people that know we go into this just explaining i'm happy to explain yeah i mean we have a whole video on it for anybody who wants to see like see it laid out in order because

marv was a light guy from your video like yeah he was very like he was well liked yeah everybody from uh he lived up in uh grand lake which was about 16 miles away everybody in grand lake had only nice things to say about him like there i could not find a single example of somebody who lived in the town he lived in who had something bad to say until Until that one thing. No, he moved. He owned a business in Granby. He lived in Grand Lake. So, everyone in Grand Lake loved him. Interestingly enough,

the only people they interviewed about Marv's character for Tread were people who were negatively affected by him in Granby. They also interviewed people from Grand Lake who were friends with him, but nobody from Granby who knew him except the people that were targeted. Which makes me wonder, did the people in Granby also like him and they just weren't saying anything? Because if you look at the statements in the newspapers, that's what it suggests is that

nobody saw this coming. Because here's the thing, everyone in town, from what I can tell, was well aware that he was building an armored bulldozer and nobody thought about why which even he did even like in his tapes where he's like he kind of took it as like a sign from god or something he's like yeah the inspector just walked right through here saw what i was building was like okay his friends would come over and hang out and they were like they were like yep he's like steve came over today and he saw that i'm building a giant concrete reinforced kill dozer and he didn't bring it up so i'm taking this to mean that god has sent me on a mission it's yeah literally that yeah and it's on the one hand you're kind of like most of the time somebody's like oh yeah god has sent me on

a mission to do this thing you're like ah come on man you're delusional in this case i'm gonna get it in fairness if my friends came over to my house and saw i was building a concrete reinforced bulldozer they'd know fucking exactly what i was exactly you know how are you uh i'm like how are we doing bro let's not do that let's not do it at the unsub house take it anywhere else windows lighting up at night from the welding. I've still wanted to do that. Just to have one. The funny part is we're... Just build it, right?

Yeah. No, I just think it'd be cool for the channel or whatever. There's a guy with one of those that you can contact yeah oh yeah yeah Whistle and Diesel built to kill those yeah not only that but he also he had like one of those like YouTube minds think alike yeah because he was gonna he took it to Granby and I always said that was

what I would fucking do with mine the funniest thing about his video on that because we looked into that a little bit for the background on this video is that so he went and asked people about it and some of the people you know yeah to your point were like oh yeah he seemed like a really nice guy or whatever and then the one cop who they didn't show his face which was probably a smart move was like yeah growing up here i didn't really get it you know from a libertarian mindset i started to understand it when i grew up libertarian cop was a little based for the people that don't know what was the catalyst of this guy deciding

to be like hey god got a mission for me uh sure thank you yeah that is so much more complicated of a question than anybody seems to realize and like most of the videos i've seen because most of the coverage i was looking at everyone's like oh yeah there was a sewage dispute so he bulldozed buildings um the worst ones were like yeah he kept dumping raw sewage into irrigation ditches and uh wouldn't pay any fines and wouldn't fix his septic tank so i they find him and then he destroyed the town and it's like no no no no yeah they tried to pay him as a bad those are the weird ones who were where they're just trying to pay him they're like he's a bad dude he was so didn't want to pay fine. She's like, short version, short version.

He buys the property in 1992 at an auction. He's not from Granby. He's not even from Colorado. He's from South Dakota. He moved to Boulder after he got out of the air force, moved up to grand Lake. And he had a buddy in town in Boulder who was, or maybe Denver.

It was like, I wanted to buy some property up there. And so Marv says, I'll, I'll look around. He finds this spot. It's an old concrete plant. I, you know, foreclosure buy some property up there. And so Marv says, I'll look around. He finds this spot. It's an old concrete plant, foreclosure auction. Signs up for it, goes to the auction.

He's agreed with his partner. They're willing to pay $66,000 for it. Auction gets up to $50,000 when you're including, thank you. Auction comes up to $50,000 when you're including the fees and everything. He gets it. And this Cody Docheff guy, according to him, walks over and just reads him the riot act about it. And he's like, I was going to buy that property. You need to sell it to me.

It had been Cody's property back in the 80s. He had bought it in 72, and it was taken by the banks during the savings and loan crisis. Cody also made some bad business decisions that led to him losing the concrete plant and a whole bunch of people in town losing their jobs. This is all just brushed over in tread. Wasn't Boulder, not Boulder.

Granby was like a good old boys society. It's like if you were in the in crowd, like they would just fuck you over. Oh, yeah. There were families there who had been there like a long time. Yeah. So when you, sorry, I'm like losing my train of thought a little bit. Yeah. So 92, he buys the property

and he, you know, he won't sell it to Cody Docheff because Cody Docheff won't offer him more than 50,000. And he had agreed to sell it for 66,000 after buying it. So he was going to make a $16,000 profit. He was happy about this. He said he'd sell it to Docheff for the 66. Docheff wouldn't buy it. And this Gus Harris guy who was going to help him buy the property, you know, wouldn't give him any more money than that. Gus Harris, of course, owned the property directly south of Marv Hemeier and would not give him a maintenance easement, which Marv needed because Bud Wilson, the superintendent of the sanitation department, had come down and said, hey, buddy, why don't you join the sewer district? You know, nice and modernized. It's easier. You don't have to pay to have your septic tank

emptied. It'll be great. They're like, sure. Yeah. Marv said, sure, you know, but is there anything I have to do? Do I need an attorney? And they're like, no, no, no. We'll fill out all the paperwork for you. And you just have to pay a small fee to get yourself connected. And then you're good to go. And Marv's like, oh, cool. Yeah, why not?

He wants to ingratiate himself into Granby. In his tapes, he constantly talks about how his goal was to not step on any toes because he already knew that he was, you know, maybe on a little bit of a bad foot. The irony. Yeah. Well, he constantly talks about how he wanted to be a good guy or tried to be a good guy he would do like all the again you cannot reiterate how he would just help people that is the biggest takeaway from your video at the beginning is how much he would just help people even with the snowmobiles and building the ramrod thing it's just like i can drive through trees with my snowmobile he would just modify people's snowmobiles he building the ramrod thing. It's just like, I can drive through trees with my snowmobile.

He would just modify people's snowmobiles. He would add bumpers to them. Count Dankula and the business. We call this foreshadowing. Exactly. But yeah, so I mean, he tries his best, but he tries to get on the sewer district, and he goes to the meeting, and they're

like, oh, you need a maintenance easement from this guy Gus Harris to yourself. And he goes to the meeting and they're like, oh, you need a maintenance easement from this guy, Gus Harris, to yourself. And he goes, well, I was told all of the paperwork would be done for me. And they're like, ah, well, I guess it wasn't. Now here's the problem. Gus Harris is going to refuse to give him a maintenance easement over and over again. Part of the problem is that there's no actual coverage of what was said at the meeting. It's just he said, she said.

Of course. Yeah, exactly. So whatever happened. Didn't the minutes for the meeting it's just he said she said of course yeah exactly so whatever happened just didn't the minutes for the meeting like disappear there's supposed to be minutes somebody claimed he accidentally asked for the october ones not the september ones and he needed the september i don't know i haven't had a chance to look into that one right yet uh my guess would be that they gave him the October ones. 40 hours of what? Sounds like you do no research at all.

Sorry. You do no research at all. You're jerking off for 38 hours and watch Triton. I can watch Triton. I can watch Triton. I was helping for half. Which part? What do you think?

Okay. Good point. He's told he needs to get the easement. For some reason, he can't get the easement. He seems to say that the town won told you to get the easement. For some reason, he can't get the easement. He seems to say that the town won't help him get the easement. Ghosts of Eris won't give him the easement. The other option they give him is you can pay $80,000 to have a lift installed to connect yourself to the sewer main like 800 feet to your north. So more than he was going to sell the property for.

Yes, exactly. And the clear goal was to make him go and sell the property to Cody Docheff. And they did a good job. There's no paper trail here. You cannot claim, you cannot say that any of this is factual. You can only say it seems like this is what was going on. Because what happens is they try to, you know, they put him in this position. And he just refuses to fix it and

you know that that's they're like what what's going on here but they can't do anything because technically he has not violated any ordinance yet because when he bought the property he was grandfathered into the old system he would only need to build a sewer extension if he built more on the property and remind me again and for everybody else who's watching how long was that system that cody had when he owned it in operation with no problem uh well he put it he had bought the property in 1972 and he lost it in 1986 yep zero issues yep zero issues it's one of those things that you're like, okay, maybe there's no concrete evidence, but this is a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Small town governments are like this much higher than HOAs. It's bad. There's like six people and they all own the companies that run that small town and if you cross them, you're fucked. It's that typical shit and you see it all the time in local politics where it's like,

oh, that's crazy. You need a permit approved for an apartment complex? It would be really cool if you use rock from my quarry. Yeah, exactly. Like little shit like that. You have to use rock from my quarry. That's what I was going to say is these guys who are on the town board, they own the excavation company in town.

They own the concrete in town. They own the prop company in town. They own the concrete in town. They own the propane in town. They own everything that's going to go into putting that sewer line in. So they're the ones who are going to get the job when he has to do it. So they're either going to make money off of him from him putting the sewer line in, or they're going to force him out of town. Their buddy, Cody Docheff can get the land back. Now they do not bug him about it for six years. Because that's about how long it takes Cody to build up the money to try and restart his business. Because he's been renting land from the Thompson family up north of town, making his concrete.

Marv said that it was some of the worst concrete he'd ever used, by the way. Which I thought was really funny. That is actually hilarious. In the tapes, Marv is so sassy. It's incredible. Wait, wait, wait. This was not in the video, and I'm curious now. Did he use Cody's concrete in the Killdozer or someone else's?

That's an excellent question. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised. If he's bitching about the concrete, that makes the most sense. I mean, how close does that make? He's like, I've been building a tank, essentially, to destroy his business, and his concrete fucking sucks. Exactly. I don't know if this is gonna stop. In the middle of everything, he's like, yeah, I mean, this guy,

he went bankrupt a few years ago, tried to kill himself, everybody hates him, but yeah, this bitch like... It's just like you said, Sassy. He's like, hmm, I'm tired of this. This concrete sucks. He said his killdozer, and Sassy's such a weird word for a dude this is a killdozer and sassy's such a weird word for a dude

that uses a killdozer he always sounds so so like nonchalant in the tapes too when I was listening to him because he'd be like it's like and he's like

March 11th 2004 so yeah finished the welds on the armor they're looking pretty good I guess this man's been

spending months building a machine to destroy and he's like you know what that's called it's all right autism oh that was one of the very first things i'm not even kidding one of the very first things i said to him while i was researching one of the very first phone calls like that like oh this dude was fucking autistic man because they also like autistic people generally by and large large, have that innate, like, sense of fairness. Yeah. It's the, if this isn't fair and that bothers me to a core. He was famously bad at talking to women, too.

I didn't say it in the video because I didn't want to come across as, like, unintentionally offensive. But no, the man was autistic as hell. This is a guy who, I'm not sure what he did in the military, but I don't think

they taught him how to do that. So he clearly taught himself how to do some impressive engineering shit. Especially when

you realize he had cameras wired to TVs. With like wiper blades on the cameras. And this is before YouTube time.

There wasn't just readily information. He's Modifying a bulldozer for dummies out What is YouTube's monetization policy on an instructional video on how to make a killdozer? Do you want to find out I kind of do? Like six months I'm not gonna lie part of the reason that I didn't go through the exact modifications was because I didn't want to risk it. Part one. I don't want to get like through this video and have it do, you know, 50,000 views and then stop because YouTube's like, you can't tell people how to build a tank.

I got in trouble for that. You know what you should do? You should contact Whistling Diesel and see if you can set up a test shooting the AK-50 at it. So what I wanted to do, because I've had this idea for a little while, and what we wanted to do, because when I first heard about the armor, right? Because it was something fucking stupid. It's like half-inch steel plate with

two inches of concrete with another half inch of steel plate behind it. I thought it was six. Some shit. I thought it was six inches of concrete. It was three inches of concrete. It was three. was something along those lines but all i remember thinking was like something a lot of concrete man three inches can be too much it can hurt for a small government it goes a long way small government big concrete i'm thinking like dude i i don't know if there's anything i own that could touch that like i mean i even have like a 14.5 millimeter ptrs 41 i'm like bro i'm not 100

confident that'll punch it like what the fuck are these small town cops gonna do well that thing is like i'm not sure what that time period what are you gonna use like an at4 like even then at4 probably not doing too much if you hit the treads it might stop the governor the governor was about to call in the fucking uh national guard or air guard yeah so that one's that that's interesting i looked into that apparently that one's a bit dubious whether or not that's true it's kind of like there's no record of it happening but a whole bunch of people who were involved say that they were considering a javelin missile and an apache helicopter well i remember at the time when it was on tv i don't uh

what year was this 2005 i was six oh my god you're a baby god i wish it happened a decade later we had a sweet youtube videos leading up to the fucking launch of it yeah but hey marv don't check here like could you imagine covers this camera could you imagine getting the news of killdozer two months after isis took baghdad well they were broadcasting it like on par with like 9-11 when it was happening because i remember i was in like middle school i think think. Me and Eli, the old man at the table. But yeah, they were like... I was in a war when this was going on. He was busy at the time.

The same bulldozer has hit another building. The same bulldozer? Sir, sir, sir. There's a second bulldozer. That's what I was thinking. That should have been the opening of Whistle and Diesel's videos. Sir, a second bulldozer has hit Granby.

He's like reading a children's book. Also, that joke has come up so much with my friends lately playing Helldivers. I don't know if you guys have played it at all, but just any time one of the factory striders, we'll get a second one where we're like, Sir, a second factory strider has hit Battlefield. Just every time. It's one of those jokes that's resurfaced.

Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. Only took 23 years. Hey, Eli! What? Whatcha doing? You're just filing taxes.

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Do you want people to know these are the kinds of taxes you're filing, Eli? Wait, are you in my house? What makes you ask that? Gesundheit! It doesn't matter if you get your internet through Verizon or AT&T or your local internet service provider. In the U.S., internet service providers can legally sell your information to ad companies. Leave me alone! Were the taxes I sent you not good enough for you, Eli?

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On Tower 7. I was just about to make the joke. He's driving the Killdozer through Granby, Colorado since we were comparing it to 9-11 and just a building collapses. Senior center collapses. Just crazy. He wasn't even over there.

How much missing government money was in that building? How much was it insured for? Killdozer was an inside job? They bought Bulldozer insurance two weeks before this happened only makes sense if something happened and he fucked up and he like the bulldozer didn't start that day and then randomly throughout the day the building collapses anyway haven't you noticed that marv and bush have the same number

of letters oh my god coincidence all speaking of joke, I was actually just noticing that, of course, Nick has the daddy bush. The tall boy. The big boy bush. That was cooking in the backseat of my truck for like three days. Fine. Tastes great. Cold now. It's cold now.

It's cold again. Look, I don't know if you guys know this, but double mag pouches hold tall boys perfectly. Get a chest rig. That was an interesting conversation at annual training one year when i was on a ruck march i just i'm picturing blackhawk down i'm like nick magazine you're like what the fuck is that so seriously fucking that was weird hypothetically i was the second he started i was waiting for him to stop like ramirez if a group of dipshits raised a bunch of money and we're gonna give it to you guys would you want to remake the tread documentary like actually go to gramby and interview people

oh hell yeah if we could we would do it in a heartbeat. If we paid you? Yeah. From Pepperbox? That's so fucking crazy. Yes. 100%. 100%.

We would go. Pepperbox. Yeah, that's what I would do. Cody's alive. Hey, Cody's alive. He is alive. Are you alive enough to talk about lacrosse at some point? Oh, we're going to talk about fucking lacrosse. Lacrosse to talk about lacrosse at some point?

Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I thought you just were like into sports. That same. No, no, no. Lacrosse, Wisconsin. Because this was like begged for. And I didn't think it's a bit of a hard subject shift. I'm sorry.

I don't mean to like direct the show. Just like I just want to know. Because, no, lacrosse. We did a video on this. Do you know the Smiley Face Killers thing? Yes, I've heard of it. I can't remember exactly what it was. Like, that is so funny. First off, where did that serial killer's name come from? It was Kevin Gannon and Anthony Duarte.

They are former New York City police detectives. And what they noticed was that there were all these young men, college-age men mostly, showing up dead in rivers. And they were always ruled to be accidental drownings as a result of alcohol intoxication or with association with alcohol intoxication. And they identified a number of these. Yeah, they identified a number of these, and they're like, I don't know. I don't know if these are accidents. Now, I personally, after looking at, I think we've looked at, what, half a dozen of these cases and clusters, I don't think that there's a broad connection nationwide. But when we were looking at the La Crosse, Wisconsin cases, it's like every single one of the people who, one of them survived,

every single one of these men, well, they actually, they picked 10, I picked five. Every single one of the five I picked was same general age bracket, same intelligence. They were all, you know, college educated. They were all athletic. They were, you know, basically guys who, for the most part, you know, you might consider to be like your typical, like, attractive male at that age. And most importantly, can swim. And they, like college dudes they drink and when you're saying like that one dude there's a 0.16 which we all function yeah at a 0.16 peak yeah that's just that's

a good bowling buzz but yeah so what happens with each of these guys is you know sometimes like like ladybird lake right now is kind of you know surprisingly not as big as we thought it was when we were talking about it for our channel but uh ladybird lake they've had all these bodies show up in the river right and you know they're they're different races different sexes different ages probably not connected these guys were all within the 20 to 25 age bracket, I think. They were all but one were single. They were all around the same height, all white, all had similar haircuts. And most importantly, all of them were drinking on the same strip of bars on Third Street

the night they disappeared. And then six kids, six guys around our age turn up in the water. Five of them didn't make it. They just float up to the surface and they're found't make it um they just you know float up to the surface and they're found and it turns out they were drinking on this one street one of them survived he went in the water in january of i think it was 2006 this is what's crazy about this story is this dude survived and it's like oh i was drinking at two in the morning yeah so he's basically the way that it broke down is one the last thing he remembered i think was

1 15 a.m maybe 1 45 a.m., somewhere around there. It was the bars were still technically open at that point, but he wasn't there. He remembered dancing at a bar on Third Street, and it was John's bar. And then the next thing he knew, he was swimming in the Mississippi, like miles down the river. So someone's roofing these men and then throwing them in the fucking river the first and last part it seems like it the second part doesn't seem to be as far as anybody can tell happening and that's the weird thing because a couple of the towns that we've covered with this it's like okay well some of these it just seems like guys are getting getting pissed and then going to piss in the river and

they don't come back yeah some of them it's like no there's something clearly weird going on here but they're not quite connected and then lacrosse is this weird outlier where it's like, no, this is, there is a profile here. Someone is following that and someone was doing it for a set period of time. About eight years. Just, it goes from 1998 to 2006 and then it stops. Jesus. Which is great. And then they were finding like GHB, GB.

Yeah. So that was the thing. Well, that's the thing is that they were testing. And I think one of them tested positive for GHB, but the rest didn't. But there was no assault. No. They were just getting roofied and someone was throwing them in the fucking water. Which is why, part of the reason why I looked at it and I went, I think that the culprit here is a woman.

Well, there's the one specific piece of evidence and one of the guys, Luke Homan when they found him, he had a weird pattern of bruising on his forehead that looked like a rather narrow toe line not like a cowboy boot like a woman's boot not even like a high heel like the toe of the high heel either a toe of a high heel

but definitely a woman's shoe so they were killed by crossdressers haha, we found them. This explains the lack of sexual assault. You think, like, with the FBI profile, like, someone was roofing them and then stomping on their heads and throwing them in the water. I don't know about all of them with the stomping on the heads. At least one. Yeah, at least the one.

What it seemed like, what we were tracking was these are all men who are, you know, conventionally attractive, both in terms of their looks and their, uh, their background. Well, that makes sense for it to be a woman. Exactly. And they all go missing from the same strip of bars. They, none of them tell their friends they're even leaving. So it's like, that's, that's the part that caught me first. I was like, the only reason that I would not tell my friends I'm leaving the bar in college would have been if I had met a girl. Yeah, exactly. Otherwise, I'm saying, hey, guys, I'm leaving.

I'm going to this bar. Yeah, you Irish goodbye with some girl. Yeah, exactly. Otherwise, I'm telling you I'm going here. I'm going there. None of these guys told their friends they were leaving the bar. I find that also kind of weird, too, because, you know, you would have thought at that point at least one of them would have been like. Mm-hmm.

And like they would have at least have somebody to go off true but yeah and you look at it and unless she wasn't attractive in which case that makes perfect sense so what i think that's probably how deep was that female footprint narrow toe line fat shoe very very i found a study on ghb and how fast it exits the body and it turns out that within three hours it's usually present it's almost always present three to six hours i think it was what i 12.5 percent of people yeah it was like i think it got to the point where within that window yeah it was like 80% of people generally was out of their system. No, it was 80% of people was in. Yeah, so after three to six hours, it was 12.5% of people.

So one in eight people will have cleared GHB from their system within six hours, possibly within three hours. That's crazy yeah uh you get into the six to twelve hour range 86.5 percent of people have cleared all of the ghb out of their system with you know the standard dose of ghb so with uh most of the cases it's a little hard to tell with uh specifically because there's no like known endogenous ghb level you produce it internally like naturally there's no like known endogenous GHB level. You produce it internally, like naturally. There's no predetermined level. With Colin Fortney, the survivor, they tested him for GHB,

but as far as everything broke down, he disappeared at 1.15, went into the water within the hour based on, you know, like when he disappeared. And then he got out of the water around 7 a.m. He has to have gone into the water January. Keep in mind, January in Wisconsin. He has to.

It's fucking 20 degrees. He got out of the water at 6.30 a.m., walked into a hospital at 7 a.m. He cannot have gone into that water any time before 6 a.m. and survived. Because you said how long it takes. Yeah. In that water anytime before 6 a.m and survived because you always you said how long it takes yeah in that water 15 minutes hypothermia you're dead like you said you went close down but you said he went to the water an hour after that's what we seem to think what's the thing is like so i've been in i've been in lake water in pennsylvania in december in you know your body locks up well that's the thing i was wearing a wetsuit because I was acting in a short film that I was doing

and I had a wetsuit on under my clothes. I was in the water for maybe 60 to 90 seconds. I got out after the take to go into the like yurt that we had there. I couldn't unbutton my shirt because my hands were physically so cold they didn't have enough grip strength to get the button off.

It's like, and that was with a wetsuit on yeah so i don't even understand how like with 15 minutes in the water yeah he basically what has to have happened he cannot have gone into that water before i think it was 6 a.m and he cannot have survived if he had just gotten out of the water and laid there and passed out for several hours he wouldn't survive that either because he wouldn't have dried it would have been too cold he would have frozen to death so he cannot have gone into that water anytime after 6 a.m and yet the police are like oh no yeah you he probably just went into the water sometime after leaving the bar went to take a piss got fell in you know passed out on the passed out on the rocks woke up with the sun and walked into the hospital no he no he got drugged and someone held him captive for a

couple hours that's what it feels like and then they then and then she he took him down to the water and fucking threw him in broken belt yeah that was on luke homan he had broken belt loops like for no reason legitimate question the the the substance ghp ghbB. GHB. Does it cause ED? I don't think it does. Well, then I think we have our answer. What it does cause is the exact same behaviors and feelings as being drunk.

So anybody who's on GHB will just appear to be drunk. To an extent. Maybe really drunk. Yeah. It's like shit wreck. It's like Kevin Burdenhead. Sometimes. If you've got too much of it or you drink too much while on it you're gonna end up in a position where maybe you're irritable you know you're nobody's gonna be able to tell that you're you've been drugged and one of the

things that it does is on the off chance somebody does survive you don't get your memory back from that time yeah it makes you black out and he he woke up in the water he woke up in the water imagine that dude that is a fucking night when you're just like oh man i just want to dance tonight this bitch is hot you're shit what the hell happened now you're swimming in cold ass water and you're like i'm dying i'm gonna run to the uh emergency rooms thankfully which was gunnarsson lutheran medical center yeah fucking insane your memory is incredible for record that's his tism i was it is this is my new biggest fear this is why i have a history history degree no the only reason our channel is as successful as it is no we always joke about the you know the the famous uh reddit

creepypasta but the lamp the lamp we always joke about like that being the re us in real life ever since blowing up on youtube and this whole job and our whole lives youtube and podcasting is a job we're all we're all gonna wake up in the middle of the mississippi river trying to swim this is my new fear it's not the lamp anymore yeah oh god and then I wake up in the Mississippi. I was like, oh, no. Oh, shit, wait, I am cold. Oh, no. I'm north of the Mason-Dixon. How did this happen? I'm going to wake up at age 16 next to Bryson's parents' car

after hitting my head on the tire playing Manhunt. Oh, no, God. I did say this morning, I said if I could go back to being 16, knowing everything I know now, I'd be tempted to take it. Oh, i would absolutely do it invest in bitcoin invest in bitcoin what's that i said what was the cantankerous on the business oh i do that any day of the week fuck yeah he just this entire and it was the smiley face killer yeah

and then it stopped in 2006 2004 2006 and luke, I believe, is the last one I identified as having a similar profile to the rest of them. Well, yeah, run through why you picked the five and not the ten. Sure. So there were ten people originally that I looked at, and five of them, one was like 5'6 and pretty overweight. The rest of them were like 5'8 to 6'2 and athletic. So didn't really fit the profile. Imagine being discarded and told you're not a victim because you're fat. I didn't say it like that. Here we go. I didn't say it like that

to be fair. You just played Tinder. You're like, not fucking him. These ones though. Yeah, you literally looked through the tent and were like, I'd fuck these five. You swiped right and on one you were like, eh. And then you were at 5'8 and and were like, I f***ed these five. You swiped right and on one, you were like, eh. And then you were at five, eight, and you were like, eh. This is not how a murder f***ing kill is supposed to be played.

Murder f***ing kill? What did you play? Have you ever heard of that game? Not murder. Mary f***ing kill. Oh, sorry. My bad. Nick plays a different version.

Murder f***ing murder. Oh, sorry my bed plays a different murder murder Murder kills that hardcore metal. I've been drinking in the Sun. Okay, will you by chance? I'm not for single. I'm drinking in the Sun and simulating shooting people in the head all day Fucking lacrosse dude but yeah i want to know so a lot of my content that i make on my channel which of course is another metal band name murder content murder content comes out of lacrosse wisconsin i've heard it's like the PVP server of the of America it's it's it's seriously a GTA 5 server like it's fucking wild how much content I get out of there dude Noah the T-Rex yeah Noah the T-Rex like they're dude they're just there's just so much meth and no fathers in La Crosse Wisconsin between client meetings managing your business, and everyday tasks,

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We should go. We should all go to La Crosse. No, not even La Crosse. Just literally anywhere in Wisconsin is so much fun to drink. We need to do a survival video in La Crosse. Do 24 hours in La Crosse. If I see Noah, I'm going to beat the shit out of him i'm gonna be like oh you never had a dad before you're about to fucking learn i'm gonna take my i take my belt off and everything dude uh wisconsin has these crazy laws where you can

just open up a bar like in your garage or in your basement oh so there's like you'll drive through small towns and it'll be like bar and And it's just like some dude's house. And in his garage, he has a bar. And you can just like go drink with random people like at their house bar. It's cool as shit. This is explaining why. The gang does Wisconsin. It's awesome.

The gang moves to Wisconsin. This is potentially why there's five missing people. And also potentially why you have so much lacrosse content. Oh, they had like five cent beer night the night luke homan went missing i remember they're the best hey that was a thing in indiana too we had a dime dime it was tuesday nights was dime night at the cactus neon cactus it was a dime for a liter of beer yeah the two dollar mug nights or whatever the fuck? This is a dime. Well, yeah. This was back in the day.

Back when you could buy a soda pop for 20 cents. Dude, in state college when I was a junior, you could go to 13-cent beer night at Champs. That's terrifying. Dude, I still have the receipt. When I went to seal school, there was a place that would have 50-cent beer night. And me and like four other guys

went in there and i i have the receipt it says we drink 140 beers the only time like in a military the revolution celebration was like the declaration of independence after party no what yes yes i did it's like a handwritten receipt of what they drank it's like 55 bowls of punch 12 barrels of ale this is a nicholas five bottles of brandy six bottles of whiskey let me pull it up yes well while nick's not here this was the party for the declaration of independence i think it was the declaration or like when they won the revolution i can't remember the exact reason one party i'd want to be at that's the fucking party i'd want to be at if i get any part okay so it was fact checked by usa today

as true incredible when you start looking at all the receipts of that time you start to understand why they felt they could beat the british empire oh yeah and they did oh this was out this was afterward this is after this is in 1787 oh so it must have been the constitution yeah so this was directly after the revolution so they this was signing the constitution it must have been the Constitution. Yeah. So this was directly after the revolution. So this was signing the Constitution? It would have been Constitution, I think, because that's 1787. Bill of Rights is 93, I think. 92, maybe. God, your autism is awesome, Doc.

You fit right in here. This table is long. Ratified in 1788. Operations in 1789. We have to read this when Nick is here, because Nick's going to be in heaven with this. Yeah. I honestly forgot how much Jesus Christ. Somebody had said that they wanted to make sure he was here when we were here.

Oh, 100%. That's why we moved it because I was like, hey, tell them they're flying in this day. I told you. She was like, they fly in here. I was like, move them. Nick is here, here. I was like, move them. Nick is here. Here. Yeah, I didn't know.

I was like, yeah, I'm down. Move us around all you need. What was it? Fucking Andre the Giant that used to just demolish everything. 120 beers in a single night in Japan. And then instead of moving him into a room, they covered him like a piano and slept in the hallway. They moved a bunch of couches in the lobby around him and just put a blanket over him i think yeah homeboy apparently like

drank like a and he would just stay drunk the entire time because giant like the pain he would go through but he loved fucking boozing it up and then if you were wrestling with him he would wrestle drunk and it was depending if you were his friend or not is if he's going to hurt you in the ring was he a wwe or an actual wrestler wwf wc whatever whatever the thing was called back then yeah but imagine though to be fair to him if every fucking fifth of whiskey looked like an airplane bottle yeah exactly a guy that size you see his hand holding a beer yeah have you seen it yeah his hand holding a regular beer i you seen it yeah his hand holding a regular beer i haven't seen the picture he might be able to hold you in one hand i would not be shocked it's pretty easy to do this dude he walked around like 450 pounds like he's just a massive

human and then look this is a beer can in his hand oh my god he was a big dude and he holds the record for 120 beers in a single night and it was all documented with the pretty lady like a peanut that was too good yeah that was impressive i need to see a i need to see a compilation of you just recreating the entirety of the princess bride yeah such a good man oh my god i want to go back and watch the princess bride now i watched it for the first time and i think 2021 after i got what the fuck man i mean nobody's your first time watching it i think my dad tried when i was a small child what i hated was uh on uh what was the show we just watched god God damn it. I've been like, it's really good.

Real quick, this is what my dad just texted me. Love Island? Yes. He has no idea that we're talking about this. He just texted me at the back of a dude's truck, which has two stickers. One says, I'd rather be secretly modifying a bulldozer for a year and a half in Granby. And the second one is, my other ride is an ATF agent's wife. That's the guy from... Oh, I like that

second one. That's all time. We talked about it on the fucking show. It was from Band of Brothers, the captain. Oh, yeah. And then he was in the other show where he was a traitor to America.

Oh, we were just talking about that. The main CIA guy. The redheaded guy oh yeah not him the the old man in the cia that's the the main character dude the guy who's all ross so saul is fucking um saul is the you kill my father prepare to die yeah yeah i did not know that for six seasons i was like get the fuck sounds like did you know that's the guy from Princess Bride? I was like, eh. So, Nick, what we were discussing is the bar tab. He's also Gideon in

Criminal Minds. Oh, fuck, I didn't even know that. We were discussing with you the official bar tab of the 1787 farewell party for George Washington. That's what it was. Dude, this party. This is the one, Nick. It was for like not a lot of dudes. It was for like a couple of dudes. It was for a couple of guys.

According to the bill, the Founding Fathers drank 54 bottles of Madeira, 60 of Claret, 22 of Porter, 8 of hard cider, 12 of beer, and 7 bowls of alcoholic punch. The party had 55 attendees.

Yep. Bro, this is why I love America. The Marine Corps was founded in a fucking bar. I mean, what do you expect? I've got a shirt that just has the coiled snake. It's the Gadsden flag snake. It just says the revolution was started in a bar. I mean, everything was psychotic about them.

Like John Paul Jones starting the Navy and just nobody everything he did there was America's fucking freedom pirate. Yeah Therapist oh, yeah, let him take this this is where some of my autism starts to shine You and Nick are gonna get along great. So that's military any of you guys like trains. Yeah Anyway, I have no idea Go on U.S. military history. Any of you guys like trains? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that bad. Anyway. You have no idea. Go on. So John Paul Jones was the founder of the United States Navy.

And I'll skip most of the backstory, but essentially it's to the point where we needed a Navy. He was a Scottish psycho. And he had killed someone in the Bahamas, fled, and then eventually was like, let me go kill people, George Washington. And he was like, sure. So he took a ship, actually, I think it was three ships. Big Pat McAfee. Not Pat McAfee, Jesus Christ. John McAfee. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, not the sports guy, the fucking psycho. You know what? I'd also see Pat McAfee doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, he took a little small group of ships over to England and went port to port and just demolished them to the point where everybody in that area of Europe knew of his name and knew he meant business.

So he named his ship the Bonham Richard after Benjamin Franklin's book, Poor Richard's Almanac, just as a little tilt of the hat. Bonham meaning? I think it's bonjour motherfucker i think bonhomme is like good man or something like that probably anyway so he gets to the point where they are they're out of the open sea and they meet this ship so his ship's name is good hold on basically yeah time out i'm gonna interject go for it him raiding the uk or britain was like a way

bigger deal than just like cat he was that was like the first time that britain had been raided ever by ships since fucking vikings it was like hundreds of years they were like the world power and this dude shows up like their whole thing was like we have a lot of boats like ask napoleon he knows like it was britain's whole shtick and he just rolls up and up all their shit it was awesome sorry continue no no but you you left out the best part okay yeah yeah so uh they meet this ship called the serapist out at sea and it's like minimum twice the size, the boat. I think it's Bonhomme or Char. And so, probably,

the Serapis is like, essentially, the captain's pleading, he's like, you can end this now because you're going to get screwed. I can't remember if it was no response or what they said initially, but they unload one broadside into the Bonhomme Richard and it takes him out almost completely. There's three guns left. And then the captain of the Serapis

is like, are you done yet, basically? And John Paul Jones just gets up on the side and he's like, I've not yet begun to fight. Just, I didn't hear no bell. I thought this was America. By the way, he was like 5'5". Oh yeah, he was my height.

This guy gets up there and he's like, I've not yet begun to fight. The best part, with three guns on his ship left he proceeds to take the serapis as his ship sinks problem is so you know how you have to have your like car have a license plate and you're like if you have boats you have registration numbers on them things like that at that time there were flags that flew off the back and they were from whatever port you came from they signified whatever country you're from so the problem is is that his ship just sank serapis is not in good shape so he sails to i think it was a dutch port yeah i think it was amsterdam and marauder damn yeah

and he shows up and he docks and essentially is like what are you going to do about it because he didn't have a flag and that was punishable by by death, if I'm correct. And the Dutch are like, we make you new flag. No, no. No, what happened was he got there, and they were like, you need a flag. And he said, well, I'm, they basically asked him what port he was from, what country he was from, and he said the United States of America. Yeah. And they were like, what?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love how you're making him like the traitor from Frozen like but yeah so it's yeah you continue the flag that they designed was a basically a bastardized version they asked him what the flag looked like

and he said he didn't know because nobody was really sure yet Betsy Ross was still sewing in her little shack holy shit so this dude just from his image he's like, uh. No, no, no. He had a letter

from Benjamin Franklin. It was a description from Ben Franklin. So there's some straps and a star. Literally it. 13 stars. Literally it.

I'm going to show it to you guys. So it is this awesome, weird bastardization of the American flag that is considered a legitimate American flag by the U.S. flag code.

That's dope. Wait, is there green in there? No. No, that the U.S. flag code. That's dope. Wait, is there green in there? No. No, it's red. You're colorblind. Oh, no. I just like, he was like, I think these are the, god damn it. It's a cool one.

Yeah. So he, and you know, that's where we started. That's kind of neat. It's close. Yeah. Yeah, I got that flying in my apartment right now. How many stripes were there? I think there's 13.

Oh, you got that, at least. Yeah, it was like there's some stripes. There's 13 stripes and 13 stars, and there's some red and blue and white in a box. You can figure it out. They're just like, okay. We got this. That's the other thing. It's like, you know, we were talking about how people who were just absolutely insane about things. Ben Franklin.

I was just going to bring it up. They always do him dirty. He's an older man that's balding. No. No. Dude went to England and was like, hey, can you give us rights? And England said no, and he went and found a guy

named Thomas Paine and was like, you, you're going to come to America and we're going to write a revolution together. And then they did. And you know how these two met? They were both Freemasons. I didn't know that part. Yep. They met through Freemasonry.

Here comes the conspiracy. Not yet. We've got to finish the story, and then we can go to Freemasons. God, now I want to talk about Freemasons. No, wait. We've finished the story first. The only ending to that story is essentially

that once the U.S. was done fighting generally, John Paul Jones was like, I'm not. And then I think he went to go fight with like, it was like the at the time Russians or like Prussia or something. I think he did go fight. I think it was, I want to say it was Russia, but it might have been Prussia. Yeah, because there's a shanty from the English that's essentially like John Paul Jones is a pirate. And they list all of the people he fought for. And it was like, yeah, no, he got tired of the u.s and you know he took money from the russian

or prussian queen or whatever yeah it's uh if it's queen then it's probably russia yeah given the time but given the freemasonry thing is there something you want to tell them what oh i am a freemason that is that is a thing so i joined in 2021 i am not a 32nd degree freemason i'm a fourth degree mark master mason i think the scottish right that's where the 32nd degree stuff is i think it's a little weird it's a little funky i read through the materials i'm not sure how i feel about it outside of scottish there's only three no there's also york right there's so freemasonry is like the american version of freemasonry is what most people are familiar with. And then there's like a billion other versions of it.

So real quick, before their audience thinks you're a fed, do you want to explain why you got into Freemasonry? Oh, I was watching National Treasure and I was like, yeah, that's a shit. Will, our tattoo artist, is a Freemason. Is he really? Yeah, Will's been a tattoo artist. Will is? Will for the last decade or two decades. Now I don't trust him.

He'll tell you everything. What does burning my tattoos do? My understanding of Freemasonry, at least in a modern context, is that basically it's just kind of a good old boys club. It's not then. It's like people who like history and a bunch of other shit, but historically speaking, it was never a super Illuminati conspiracy. It's just a bunch of guys who are like,

hey, we're all not retarded and we own businesses. Let's get together and plan how we're going to do shit. It's antique Facebook. The funny part is Illuminati is actually real. That was a real thing too. That's funny. You're talking about Freemasons and then Illuminati comes up. Weird how that works.

Weird how that works. Weird. about Freemasons and then the Illuminati comes up, huh? Weird how that works. Weird how that works. Weird! I just know if I do any shit like that it'll get screencapped forever. Well, just a quick question, I guess. How old would you guys guess Freemasonry is? It's fucking 300? No, it's 200? Older than that.

No. No. Never mind. Because it's How technical are we getting with it? It's 11 to, I think, big piles of stones. 1,600 years old. Pyramid formation. The oldest document we have that is believed to be Freemasonry is from 1400. Damn it.

Jesus. So about 600 years. But Freemasonry as we know it today does not exist until 1723. So you have a solid 300 years where we have no real record of what Freemasonry was or how it developed. And then they write this new constitution for it. And that constitution is basically hey be a good person go to church after they got helped by the aliens synagogue now because now jews are okay like that was basically what happened post 1945 the freemasons kind of changed their shit a little

bit they stopped wearing hugo balls so it's it got awkward it's really interesting if you read through their earliest documents everything is explicitly christian until 1723 and then they start allowing for other they say as long as you have faith in the divine creator they don't specify which one gangas con style some people have suggested that's because freemasonry was starting to become satanic and the divine creator was Satan. I, personally, being a medieval historian, I think that it was probably a way of dealing with the Catholic versus Protestant tensions that were going on at the time, considering this was in the middle of the wars

between the Scottish Catholics and English Protestants. Because don't, uh, doesn't the Knights of the Columbus don't like Freemasons? Literally, there were a bunch of Catholic Freemasons, and the Catholic Church banned Freemasonry. So people were like, well, what do I do now? I have no social club. Pause. What?

You know the Knights of Columbus? No. You ever see, like, a Knights of Columbus building in any town or anything? It's just Catholic Freemasonry. It's Catholic Freemasonry. It's literally the same thing, but it's just like the Catholic Church version. It's Mexican version. Love it. The way I differentiate it for people

is that... If you've ever seen them, they're very much not Mexican. Yeah, true. The white version. A lot of Italians. A lot of Italians. My grandfather was one. He was a third degree out of Columbus. But what happened was there were a bunch of Catholic Freemasons, especially in France, and the Catholic Church banned Freemasonry and then all of the Catholic Freemasons went, what do we do? They said, well,

you can have Freemasonry, but it's Catholic. And that's what they did. What I tell people is that the difference between the two main groups of Freemasonry in America, which is where most Freemasons are, I think it's like 800,000, is that you have York Rite, you have Scottish Rite. Most Masons do, a lot of Masons do both. Scottish Rite's the most popular because it's the least amount of work. You mostly go, you sit, you watch a play, and then you have your degree.

Congratulations, you have completed your moral lesson. York Rite is a little bit more complicated. It's a little bit more work involved. And to finish it, to get to the end of the York Rite, because masonry doesn't go up. It goes up to three and then out in terms of the structure. It's lateral, not vertical. So it's not a 32nd degree mason and a third degree mason are equals in terms of Freemasonry.

In terms of the Scottish Rite, yes, you've experienced more of it. But the Scottish Rite is a little bit more of the esoteric sort of you know weird like morals and dogma by albert pike that's that's scottish right it started in france all right hang on i gotta get you to slow down here so this is my job with him most of the time is he'll get really deep and forget the context for most people so i'm just i know the entire audience is like us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just like, I'm sitting here curious how you level up.

Real quick, so yeah, explain the play thing. How many Pokemon do you have to catch? Yeah, so Masonry, you obviously have degrees. You have, sure, yeah, why not? Don't mind it, buddy. Yeah, Masonry, you've got degrees. And originally, there were only two. The whole thing is based around geometry.

That's why there are degrees. That's what the G stands for, right? That depends on who you ask. There are some people who are Freemasons. Real quick, that sounds more like the autistic group, the Knights of Geometry. No, you know like the pyramid thing? There's a G in it.

I've heard it stands for God, and I've heard it stands for geometry. I have heard from masons god geometry and uh gnosis which is part of the problem is that freemasonry allows for people with a lot of different beliefs so you have people who believe yeah gnostics oh yeah so you have a lot of people who believe that because some Freemasons believe it stands for Gnosis, that Freemasonry is Gnostic or Satanist or something like that. And you want to explain really quickly the geometry element of it? Yes.

So Freemasonry developed out of operative stone masonry, so people who build cathedrals, right? Yep. And we don't know exactly why it formed. We just know that over time, operative masons started to develop lodges outside of just their meetings for, you know, basically union meetings is kind of what these were like. And they started hanging out in social clubs. It took fucking forever to get this photo up, but that's the Knights of Columbus. Yeah. It's funny because I've said this in a previous. No, not at all.

I said that Freemasonry started as a mason union and people got super butthurt a previous. No, not at all. I said that Freemasonry started as a Mason union, and people got super butthurt about it. No, he's right. But I was like, I'm pretty sure it started as a stonemason's union and then turned into a social club and all that. Yeah, dude, they just started having banquets. Yeah, it was literally turned into a social club. We don't know why.

So one thing is that cathedral building was falling out of favor. So one theory is that all these guys who had previously their job was to build cathedrals um as that line of work started to fade away maybe they started getting together so that they could network better and that because they weren't just meeting to do bylaws and things like that they were starting to have more philosophical discussions they were hanging out having a few drinks and then it slowly devolved into more of a social and charity club which is what what it is today. Now, I'm not going to tell you that there aren't Freemasons who do perceive Lucifer to be God, because there are some out there. Lunatics, but there's a few of them. You're probably not going to get accepted to a Freemason lodge in

America by saying, I believe Lucifer is God. It's kind of like rock music. It's like, I'm not going to tell you there's not people who like rock that, you know, Lucifer is king or whatever, but it's like, that's not the most people that listen to Metallica. You know, most Freemasons I know are staunch Christians. I know a few Jews and you have, you've got Muslims, you've got Hindus, you've got, you've got Norse pagans who are Freemasons and all of this kind of like just works its way through because at the end of the day what Freemasonry is about is the moral codes and doing good in your community there are people though

with any organization who are going to take it and they're going to make it weird they're going to try and use it to their own advantage and I'm not trying to do like a Freemason apologetic session here because my point is like just speaking the truth yeah when I joined the reason I joined is that first of all I was a medieval studies major who was super into the Knights Templar and was like this is a cool group of people who are generally misrepresented in media. Assassin's Creed makes them look like they're evil. They look dope as shit, dude. Exactly.

And then the legend of Freemasonry is, one of the legends of Freemasonry, I should say, the common one, is that it developed when the Templars escaped from France. And that they had to go underground and they had to have some way of continuing to teach the things that they had learned while they were in the Temple of Solomon, these supposed secret teachings. And so the reason that Freemasonry formed was because these Templars were trying to find a safe way to do things. Well, what are Templars going to know a lot about? Cathedrals. Because they live in basically castle churches. So that's kind of, that's, that's one of the theories. You know, I think there were plenty of people who were Freemasons who were bad dudes. I think there

are most of the Freemasons I know are good people, but I think that's also how most people are. And some, I assume, were good to people. Yeah. Well, sorry, where were you going to get at though? I don't know. What if we started our own Freemason group? I thought about it. Not Freemasons, but we start our own group of dudes who just uplift each other. Dollar Masons. Dollar Masons. Yeah.

There we go. Dollar Mason Club. We got the Dollar Mason Club. Dollar Mason. Oh, God. Use the code DONUT for 50 cents. Use the code DONUT for 50 cents. 50 cents.

That's how it goes. You're like, um, no. Did we just create the Andrew Tate program? The gang starts a cult. The gang starts a cult. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. Clitism. All alone, time to trim the old pubes.

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Oh, yeah. So the- Wait, which AK? Hold on. Wait, first off, how is it being an autistic handler? Oh, he's more autistic than that. I just like, you're like, hold on. He keeps you on track, you're like, no, no, no. He puts your horse blinders on. As we would call it, the tard wrangler. He fucking took a deep breath before he went

Are you guys beginning to understand why I'm sitting at the table right now? You want to check out that book out there? Yeah, the book. You can check that out later. Amazing. I will say the most entertaining part about that comment is we took a test. He's reading it right now.

I'm technically worse than he is on paper. On piper. On piper. One time I had to come over to his place so we could do a business thing. You know where he was? A quarter of a mile away watching the trains. Oh, you're huge into trains? Trains are cool, man.

He's not huge about anything. No, I'm a very small person. You know, I mean, I grew up, that was my mom's version of a babysitter. We grew up next to a freight yard and so when she wanted peace, she'd just drive the car next to it, read a book, and I'd just sit there and stare at the age of two.

That's how you know your kid's going to be good at math. That's a shame. I wasn't. I was a dinosaur kid. Those are like the two... Yeah, it's like those are the two autisms. Ugh. Ugh. Well, what's the...

Shit. Hold on. How does dinosaur kids rule the world, Matt? Unsubscribe, podcast canceled for describing autism as ugh. No, we raised $100,000 literally two months ago. Did you actually? $110,000. $110,000 in a month.

Holy shit. Hold on. We'll never cancel. We got that R-pass for life, homie. Yeah. Say retard. You're allowed to right now. Wait.

What was the autism political compass the autism political compass because trains dinosaurs were two of the four uh trucks i think were one like trucks and heavy machinery oh yeah heavy construction construction and then what was the other one bryden loves heavy machine yeah you know i hit the thing i hit bingo for autism bingo card with like heavy machinery marine biology i think i was into for a while yeah i'm i could pick a diplodocus out of a lineup now that i know your guys's relationship a little bit more i'm gonna have you guys do this for the first time ever as a team we have this we have our we have our own superhero group for guests that come on the show that's called the offenders you guys

get to pick your own superpowers but hold on can we explain but you guys but you guys get to pick your own superpowers but can we explain but you guys get to ruin it well yeah we get to choose the offset so for example cody i i can fly but i have to shout racial slurs while i fly okay got it yeah brandon so uh i am invincible i i cannot die, but I fucking myself every day. And my body stays wherever I did it. Oh. So I get to wake up in the morning, and if there's two of me hanging from the ceiling, I'm like, man, we didn't handle Thursday well. There's some mischief to be had here.

I have the powers of, like, Professor Xavier, but it's only for, like like 8 to 15 seconds after I come. I'm Post-Nut Clarity, man. His name is Post-Nut Clarity. I'm Crime Cook. I travel at the speed of light, but I cannot interact with objects for five minutes after arriving. Do your own math. He's trying to rescue someone from something. Man, I will save you in five minutes.

I got here really quick, fuck this is okay i gotta think of a superpower now well that's the thing so you took mine because mine's always been flight but i'm gonna i'm gonna do something different uh you're a train bender yeah yeah yeah did anybody say i i'm a train but i got a whistle sticking out of my Did anybody say invisibility Breeze past the fact that his power was he's just a train I just like transforms into Thomas the Train. It's his face Where you're not on the track Thomas the train, it's his face and that big ol' eyeball. He's like, let's go, motherfucker! Where? You're not on a track. Yeah.

You're just stuck. Given the working relationship, I figure he's the train, you're the conductor. Yeah, basically. I gotta think of one now. Invisible, we had Rich. He has to masturbate in order to maintain invisibility, so all you hear... No! Oh, that's great. Alright, let's see.

I'm going to say super grip strength. Oh no. Only on your dick. How does that make sense? Only on other people's dicks. It's on your dick. I'm going to use this for violence. I just like when you're saving humans It's hand in rear man

Sir He's holding a line of people up Hanging out a helicopter No Yeah Just by the dick Really That's two dicks

You're hanging off the side of it You're like you don't understand Yeah. Just by the dick. But it's two dicks. You're hanging off the side of it. You're like, you don't understand. Drop your pants. No time to explain. I just like he has that no matter what. It's like super grip strength on anything. He's really strong, but he has to hold somebody else's dick during that power, which is where you come in.

Pull it out! Aiden, no! Aiden, do it now! The Aidens show up. Team Aiden! He turns into a train with a massive penis. We've got gorilla grip and a side dick. Oh my god. He's just a train and a dick.

I gotta come up with something that'll compliment that Oh my god, the ambiguously not gay duo The best part of this is that we both do have girlfriends that we've been with for a very long time They just have a different school Yeah, yeah, yeah They go to a different school in Canada and it's a camp

She's so hot They're completely real We like to hang out together a lot and talk about how much we miss them school in canada and i met mccamp she's so hot they're completely real you wouldn't know her we like to hang out together a lot and talk about how much we miss them no you can't see a picture i'm gonna go with i just want my power yeah thanks for coming to our podcast we'll just bully you it's okay we've been having uh people who are into like various really stupid conspiracies tell us that we're gay for like three years now we've been having people tell us we're gay for a lot longer than that and well we've only been gay for like two years so it's weird you know it's

they knew it's crazy yeah i'm just glad you guys practice your superpowers together it's like just let me feel it's a team thing you thing, you know? Let's see how strong I can break it. Aiden, I can't open this jar. Pulse pinch down. Yeah, Aiden. Now I'm thinking about the logistics of it. If I got one hand here, how's the other hand gonna open the pickle jar?

Armpit. Armpit that shit.'s the other hand gonna open the pickle jar? Armpit. Armpit that shit. What, I wrap it around the pickle jar? You gotta hold it in your mouth, I don't know. Other Aiden's like, it wasn't even that tight. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. To compliment his powers, I'm gonna go... Other Aiden opens it like this. He's like, I can't get it, Aiden.

He's like, let me see it. What? I gotta throw some gas on this fire to compliment his power. Oh, no. I'm gonna go, like, Mr. Elastic style. I can extend my limbs as long as needed. And your member? I like it.

Just in order to, as a team, he's gonna need that. So you can stretch your dick out. Exactly. So what I could do then is I could grab it, and I could just whip you around. Exactly. That's the offset. He has to be holding your neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You need each other. I was only working together. It's the perfect team. He's rubbing out the door with it. Aiden, go. We show up like we're going to save you. I'm like, no. Go away. I'm here, guys. Hold hold this i have to switch hands all i thought of was the scene from the the boys with the fucking dick oh god i i didn't even i couldn't watch it i couldn't

bring myself to do it i couldn't bring myself did you warn i think you warned me i did yeah so i will say this uh meat canyon has stretchy powers and he was the first person to come up with the offset on his own oh god yeah he was like i can stretch and we're like okay we get to pick the offsets he's like i have to beat my wife i'm not talking i'm talking about a chipped tooth and a black eye we're like holy holy shit, Hunter. Is everything okay at home, man? That was Hunter's immediate reaction.

It's not even like to save someone. It's like, can't reach that on the top shelf. Are you sure the stretching thing was the superpowers of him? Or was it the other way around? He said it. It was so funny, dude. He said it so matter-of-factly, too. He's like, yeah, I can stretch, but I beat the fuck out of

my wife. God damn, Hunter. Honestly, nothing changes at home. Now I can stretch. Oh my god. I hope you guys got him a case of monster. Oh god.

No, his wife's not the drywall. Jesus fucking Christ. No. Love you, Hunter. He's our favorite. He's been on a couple times. You got me, too. You ran about communism.

Oh, God. You want to hear a Nick rant? No. Or a Nick history section? I don't know. What do you want to know? I'm curious what it sounds like when somebody does a history section because I do them a lot.

Oh, dude, Nick, if you want World War II anything, this guy, 20 Snow. Wait, I haven't prepped for this. What do you want to know about? What's a story that's coming up? What's with the mustache? What was his deal? Oh, shit.

Something about painting. I heard he was compensating. You haven't known. What's your next? I'm dropping the CIA art one today. I think I kind of talked about that one a little bit already in the last podcast. The CIA art one? Modern art is a psy-op.

Well, I knew modern art was a tax laundering scheme, but... No, it's a psy-op. Oh, yes, I remember this. The tax laundering came after the fact. Damn, this is levels. Okay, continue. So modern art, specifically abstract expressionism, so think Jackson Pollock, Kuhn, de Kooning.

Basically, right after World War II, the CIA came out. Well, not the CIA, but the U.S. government came out, and they're like, we've got to beat the Soviets at everything. We need the most nuk II, the CIA came out – well, not the CIA, but the US government came out and they're like, we got to beat the Soviets at everything. We need the most nukes, the best planes. We need the best music, the best everything. And they started putting money into different types of music and new forms of art because the Soviets were very like, we're going to do orchestra, classical music, and we're going to do soviet realism like very traditional art forms and we're like it's going to be tough to beat them at that because they're just going to state fund some two-year-old to learn from the time and whatever and we can't do that in america so we're

gonna make we totally could have i mean yeah but it was easier to just be like let's find some shit they don't have so that's why uh so like with music specifically they took jazz and promoted jazz all over the world and made jazz popular right and then like the punchline with that is you know jazz leads to rock rock leads to metal metallica does a concert for 1.6 million people in moscow and three months later there's no more ussr this is like how karl marx is responsible for 50 shades of gray yeah of course what what um so anyway i could explain if you'd like but yeah you you keep going so uh the cia go um sorry cup that lasts for like two years and everybody gets super pissed that they're promoting like modern art the conservatives think it's a

conspiracy theory they go as far as saying that like abstract expressionism is somehow the because a lot of the artists are communist sympathizers. So they go and they're like, these are like maps of our military installations or something, whatever. So the government has to quit funding it. So the CIA founds the CCF, the Congress for cultural freedom.

Okay. They fund it. Nobody knows it's them. All right. It operates in 35 different, different countries. It's founded in West Germany. They own over 20 different magazines.

They own entire news outlets, whole nine yards. And all they do is promote modern art, different types of music, and all this shit. And they hone in on abstract expressionism. So like Jackson Pollock, Kuhn, de Kooning, Rothko. And they start promoting the holy fuck out of it. Because all these magazines now, if you're an art critic, the only way you're getting your opinion published is if you have the right fucking opinion about abstract expressionism and the whole idea is like it's it's art for the sake of art it's the true version of freedom whatever the communists can't do it so yeah we peddled millions of dollars and made modern art

popular in which i i love that because that brings me back around because I was going to mention this earlier in this episode when we were talking about... Kill Daisy. Perfectly time snoring. That's how boring your story is right now. Connor's asleep. I did think it was really funny as another history person that the moment we went to the history side of things everybody got up and he started snoring but when you were talking about homeboy like being like uh when we were talking about the malaysian flight yeah with homeboy like you're like you're you're the cia's favorite

yeah fucking conspiracy theorist or whatever like what are the odds i i've thought about this several times that the modern flat earth shit was just the c CIA's attempt at fucking discrediting conspiracy theorists that worked too well. And now a lot of stupid people genuinely believe it. So the reason I'm hesitant on that one is that the original flat earth research, the international flat earth research society of founded in 1958. Big on levels. Peaked at like 3,000 viewers. Yeah.

Not viewers, sorry, members. And basically what this was was this dude, Charles Johnson, was sending out a magazine every quarter that he charged 25 bucks for in the 90s. Jesus. And he had 3,000, think about it, 3,000 people. Goddamn. Yeah, and think at one point he was a monthly newsletter. So he was doing it

he was rolling in dough and if you read the interview of the guy either he was like the original grifter or he was 750,000 insane

75 grand a month 900,000 a year I mean he's living it up in the 90s for 900 900 grand a year so here's the thing though is like he says that

and he gives you these numbers, and you're like, okay, well, then where are all of the other, like, where's all of your property? Like, you have 3,000 people paying you $25 every quarter. That's several hundred thousand dollars a year, and you live in a small house with a trailer outside of it on a ranch in california right like you don't have a bigger house you don't have more more stuff going on you don't have a nicer car like a little weird i don't think he ever had that many people and of course you know all the records burned in a fire in 1995 um he dies in 19 he dies in 2000

and the flat earth society ceases to exist. It's gone. The International Flat Earth Society. He had all of the mailing lists. He and his wife are both dead. They don't get passed along to anybody because who the hell wants the Flat Earth Research Society member list? I want that fucking 900 grand a year. I want it now. You love Flat Earthers, right? I hate them.

You love them. I need to be clear that when I say I hate them, I don't mean like, ha ha, I think they're stupid, I don't like their, I don't like them as people. You're like, I just want to be abundantly clear. It's not that I disagree with them. It's that they don't go to heaven. Yes. Just like cyclists.

Just like cyclists and who else? And Ashton. Have you guys ever, have you ever been in a scenario, you might have, like, you know, anybody, it's not comparing it to that, but have you ever been in a scenario you might have, like anybody that's not comparing it to that, but have you ever been in a scenario where you're watching something unfold and you know you can't do anything to stop it, but you wish you so

very much could? Yeah, it's like every time I pulled over a sovereign citizen. You're talking to Cronkock here. Yeah, of course he does. They leave at the four minute mark. Follow them. That was me an hour and a half into our flat earth debate. Do you want to explain what happened there?

I may have called my opponent a... Oh, it was... Wait, you debated? You called him a... What? I called him a sick, arrogant son of a bitch. I thought slur was what you were going to say. Not the worst thing you could call somebody,

but I will say it did make me sound like a 1960s radio host. I wonder if you could get by with calling somebody like that an N-word. Is that... Everyone's like, it's okay. Only if they're white. Here's what he's got to understand about who this guy is. I think most flat earthers are. This is a man, White.

This is a man. The one flat earther I debated was black. Really? I actually did. It's just somebody that, a girl I was dating at the time, somebody that she knew that was a very close family friend. And very nice guy. Very cool dude.

Aside from that, you could just tell the fucking YouTube algorithm just hit this motherfucker. And they believed everything they heard. You realize, oh, shit. I wouldn't trust you to give me directions anywhere. I've never seen a black flat earther. Same. I didn't know they existed. It is weird. It's mostly white dudes,

and I will say it does not take them very long to get into a certain territory when you push them on it. A certain territory? Yeah. Hate being anti a certain group of people. Well, well, well. It takes them about three steps.

Let me guess. The letters on their keyboard that are most worn out start with N and J. Here's the thing. If you ask them who's behind it, a lot of the time they'll be like, oh, NASA's lying. You're like, well, who's behind NASA, guys? They go, the Freemasons. You're like, well, who's behind NASA, guys? And they go, the Freemasons. And you're like, well, who's behind the Freemasons? And they're like, the

G... Wait, what? Oh, no, I mean, nobody knows. Like, every single time. It's like, we all know what you're saying here. Do you have a lot of debates with flat Earth? Yeah, wait, so you had... I'm assuming it was on a podcast or on... I did get into a bunch of

Twitter fights with them. Yeah. Well, that was part of... But that was part of the problem, because you had, I'm assuming it was on a podcast? I did get into a bunch of Twitter fights with them. Yeah, well, that was part of the problem, because you had a lot of Twitter fights beforehand, and so you came into that loaded. God, you guys are going to get on great. I may have said that I think the world would be better off if all of them stopped breathing. My favorite part, though, is that if we're at the fucking ranch, if we're at the ranch, like, we the fucking ranch if we're at the ranch like

we're debating flat earthers on twitter using starlink i love that satellite i love this do we like my favorite video is the one where like we're disproving it and they they do the light test and they're like if it's here they'll see it it's like wait we can't see it hold it up higher like this it's like we see it now and they're like yeah well what one of my favorite parts was that maybe 10 minutes into the debate we were like all right so you know what i would ask then he's oh if the earth is flat then you should never be able to see the the midnight sun in antarctica right there should never be a 24-hour sun in Antarctica. And he's like, exactly.

And as we've seen, there's never been a video showing one. They had a couple of them, but then they admitted they were fake. And we pull one up, and it's not the one that he said was fake. It's one that he admitted. He was like, yeah, that one's real, but you can't see the sun for most of it. Because it goes behind clouds. It goes behind clouds. Aiden proceeds to perfectly track in real time where the sunspot is

behind the clouds and the mouse comes out of the clouds on top of the sun perfectly. Oh my god. Yeah. And then Austin goes, well, yeah, but I mean, like, you know, you can't see it behind the clouds. You don't know for sure. And we're like, you can see the sunspot. Fucking Schrodinger's there. Literally, I'm using the mouse to circle it as it goes around. And it's like, look at that. And then it comes out perfectly timed. And he's like, and it wasn't even like it was the second try or anything.

It was the first try. Yeah. And then the whole, the water thing. Yeah. That was entertaining. Wait, what is the water thing? So. God, these.

Dude, this is, again, when you have, like, to this level, it's not conspiracy theory. It's fucking retards. It's fucking retards. It's when retards are given an inch in that book, and they will, no matter what, you can show them proof. They are going to still deny it no matter what. They're like, mm-mm. Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Yeah, that's all that matters.

It's just your opinion, man. I's all that matters it's your opinion man i was gonna say do you want to explain the curve thing and then where it went for the over the ocean stuff i can't remember it started with him trying to acclaim essentially that it was all due to the refraction which thing are you talking about sorry this was this was right before this man really believes that the earth is falling. Oh, well, no, here's the best part of it. All right, ready? Here's my favorite part. After we finished the debate,

I found out... Do you guys know Audit the Audit? The channel that goes and looks at police interactions and rates how they went? Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's Cody. Are you aware? Cody, have you ever heard of a police breakdown?

He has a video breaking down how uh how an arrest went and the guy i was debating was the one being arrested oh god i know the video you're fucking talking about the national park service yeah they're in front of a gas station right no wait oh they're in front of mount rushmore okay wait what no in this this one, he gets arrested by the National Park Service in front of Mount Rushmore because he was demonstrating in an area where you needed a permit. Now, right behind that area was an area where you didn't need a permit, and he refused to move. Like, would you like to apply for a permit right now?

We could probably get it for you today. And he's like, no. And then he's like do i need to explain the law to you and then they proceed to be like uh not really sir and he's like well show me the ordinance so they show him the ordinance they're like well show me the citation so they show him the citation it's like show me the law so he's a fucking sovereign citizen too okay yeah yeah this makes perfect sense now and i'm just watching this and i'm like it must have been a covid thing because everybody's wearing masks it looks like it was

2020 2021 he was wearing a lab coat my guess is that he was up there giving some lecture on you know how the vaccine's got a microchip or something like that and it and they made the earth flat yeah and he gets arrested by the national parks Service. That's our new shirt, dude. COVID made the Earth flat. Anthony Fauci personally took a roller and flattened it out. Fauci made the Earth flat. That's an easy graphic. That would be a great political cartoon.

Just Fauci with a rolling pin over the planet in no further context. What the fuck do they call the ceiling over the flat Earth? The firmament? The firmament. Which is going to be... The fuck is that? Our new shirt is the ceiling over the flat Earth? The firmament. The firmament. Which is going to be... The fuck is that? Our new shirt is going to be the flat Earth or map. We're in a big snow globe. It's like a dome.

The Earth is flat and we're in a snow globe, basically. And the glass of the snow globe is a firmament. How do they describe other planets? Are we on the back of the fucking turtle? They're just... They're holograms. They're lights. They're night lights for kids.

They don't know. It's not like that. So we're going to have the flat Earth. Why did lights for kids they don't know so we're gonna have the flat earth they don't have an answer we asked it was the first thing I think I asked him was what are the sun

and moon and where are they and he said it didn't matter and then I asked him what are the other planets and he said well

and I said when you look up into the sky and you see other bodies moving around in space that rotate around the sun what are those? He said,

they're planets, what we call wandering stars. And I was like, okay, and what are they? And he was like, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It's time. By the way, this is within the first five minutes. Is the round earth in the room with us right now? Like, this is a classic. Those aren't

real planets. That's not real communism. I asked him how solar eclipses worked. He said it didn't matter. Well, he did let it slip after you exploded why he is a flat earther. And it's not actually even what we think it is to an extent. It's in the live somewhere. But essentially he says something along the lines of like, I'm tired of these like schools teaching my Christian children like all of this like atheist science BS.

And it's like essentially he went on this like very small rant kind of like underneath like in the background of like the whole debate that was happening where it was like the whole reason that he was believing in flat earth was because he began to mistrust science because it was atheists. And now with how divided politics has become, he's like, oh, well, if they're going to lie about everything, it probably goes down to the shape of the earth. Which is like, yes, question everything. No, don't deny everything. There's some stuff you're just like i don't think you flew here right yep you fly him to a conversation by the way you're three hours in look out the window just once there is there is somebody actively right now running something they're calling the final experiment which i personally believe is an unfortunate name that they should not have gone with. Horrific. I was about to make that

joke, dude. Hasn't one died going, like, he took a balloon or a rocket up? Sounds about right, probably. I think one flat earther, like, rode a rocket or did something where he went up to disprove that there was a curvature on the plane of Earth, and he died. Yeah, wasn't

it the Chinese guy in the chair full of fucking fireworks? No, wait, didn't he build his own rocket and like his parachute failed or something yep yeah yeah like a dude was like ah look curvature uh-oh and then the parachute fell it's like fuck i'm a retard and hit earth and die god i didn't go to heaven no it's yeah the whole thing is just oh i hate this is a whole thing it's a whole thing and the thing that bothered me and i even said this in both our video and the podcast that like part of the reason i decided i was going to go after flat earth was in defense of my faith because i don't like the idea that you have all these people who are suggesting that christians believe the earth is flat.

The Bible doesn't say that, and no, we don't. Explain the firmament bit real quick, because that's like a big crux of the argument. The firmament was what you were saying. The dome. I've never heard that before. If you're in a rocket going up according to them, you'll just fucking hit a wall before you hit outer space.

And that's the firmament. I think we proved that wrong several times i'm just thinking i think genesis 7 where the bible says or sorry not genesis genesis 1 7 or something like that where the bible says and god i put a put a god had there were the waters that were below and the waters that were above and god put a firmament uh to i'm trying to remember the exact verbiage, but to divide the waters that were below from the waters that were above. Which one would believe to not be

a literal fucking glass dome. Yeah, there are a number of options here, like underground aquifers versus groundwater. And then there's also the water on the planet and the atmosphere. There's actually a, i can't remember like someone who's like nah god meant this yeah he's huge into glasswork i'm just imagining like one of these fucking spacex rockets hitting like uh chris hemsworth in like uh cabin in the woods yeah

just like this hex grid oh well that's no that's the problem though is because there are a lot of tiktoks out there where it's like rocket hits the firmament and it's just basically a spacex rocket at like the right time of day where the i i can't i think they use either hydrogen or something like that no it's not hydrogen fuck that uh they use some form of fuel essentially where at the right time of day it glows this like really like interesting and pretty like blue and green like iridescent and then it reaches the maximum dynamic pressure in the atmosphere and the whole like trail it creates explodes and fans out. And everybody in the comments is like, it just hit the firmament.

It exploded. It's like, no, this is fucking science. This is how things work. Also, you can watch an actual space vehicle explode. It happened in 1986. We know how it looks. It doesn't look like that. Oh, yeah.

Didn't one of them try and deny the Challenger? Yeah, the one we debated. Yeah, just making sure. They tried to deny the Challenger? Oh, yeah, the one we debated. Yeah, just making sure. Deny the Challenger explosion. Wait, what was the reason for denying that? There are three people currently alive in the United States today. The United States has somewhere between 350 and 380 million people living in it. Apparently today, there are three people in the U.S.

who have the same names as those astronauts, are the same age, and look somewhat similar to them. Not identical, keep in mind. But, I mean, 40 years have passed, right? About that age, white. Yeah. Weird. Now, keep in mind, every single one of these people has high school transcripts. They have driver's licenses.

They have all sorts of things proving that they are not the same person as the astronaut bearing their name and yet they're like ah well because these people exist witness protection ain't that bad that was exactly when i was arguing with some people about it on twitter that was exactly my point i was like we actually have examples of how the government handles making people disappear this is not it they don't give them the same name and the same face and send them back to live in a different state that's not how it works if we have if someone right now is typing out very angrily in the comment section stop fuck you no i love like beat me that is literally it is that moment where you're like pissed because

what we're saying and you're like these boys are bullshit first off how'd you connect to the internet starlight like anything but maybe just take one second to take a step back understand this is way bigger than anything you will ever understand but random dude on the internet that probably can't count to a thousand not your best source i also love the fact that we brought on like some of the conspiracy tubers of youtube just to shit on conspiracy theorists well that's the thing i get pissed out of me like man i'm trying to do good work here you pissed i like you apologize you apologize to like the national the national park service yeah i mean because you're like i'm sorry i was an asshole i like sorry for

accusing you of hiding the wendigo that was my bad but you did the right thing you're like you know what don't know as much as like exactly i was like oh you know what the national park service national park rangers are actually pretty cool from what i've seen that's the awkward spot we're in now though is because we started out like he was way more a believer in it than i was i was kind of kind of always the resident skeptic on the channel but we've gotten to the point where he's done so much academic research in this area where it's like now we can pretty pretty definitively debunk most conspiracies we encounter except for the select few that were like no that's fucking real like tuskegee yeah exactly but the problem is that happened yeah there are a lot of people out there that want to believe in these conspiracies that's the problem is when you come at a uh when you come

at something wanting to believe it you can you can pretty much defend anything you want doesn't mean it makes it true it's just if you want to believe something you fucking can no matter what no matter how stupid it is yeah it's and i and the way i've classed it as time has gone on when i see conspiracy theories and i said this on our show on sunday um we do a live show on sunday nights for anybody who's interested 7 p.m don't pimp that shit name the name the show it's just the lore lodge it's just on our channel star live show it's called the lore lads yeah you rebranded it we rebranded it yeah because we wanted to put both of them on spotify couldn't have them both be called lore lodge that didn't really make sense also the Lodge official podcast is kind of a mouthful.

Lore Lads fits better. Yeah, but what I found with conspiracy theories is that you've got the ones that there's some legitimacy to. And those are like Gulf of Tonkin, the USS Maine, Tuskegee. The Liberty. Oh, God. Let's talk about that. Which one? No, let's talk about the USS Maine.

Oh, you brought that up in your most recent video, at least at time of recording. He's so happy about this. I just... He's like, it's fine with somebody else who knows about the USS Maine. Watch Nick's tism unfold. Nick, go.

Go ahead. I know. Do it. Here, I'll finish, and then he can decide if he wants to start. But what I've been saying... Let's start with where you're at on the USS Maine. What do you think happened?

What do I think happened? Which one was that? Was that where the people were phasing through the fucking. No, that's Spanish-American War. That's the Philadelphia experiment, which being from Philadelphia, probably not a thing that actually happened. We have absolutely nobody talks about it in Philadelphia. It's just not a topic of conversation that we have. They way too focused on the birds that's true yeah you know if you

ever watched always sunny it's a documentary series do we watch always well yeah you guys have to think but we refer to it as a documentary series because like yeah that's the city very is very accurately represented in that tv show it's great uh anyway, what I was saying about the conspiracy theories thing, you've got the real ones, and then you've got stuff like Flat Earth and Tartaria, and what's another one we've looked at maybe? Chan Thomas. Adam Neve's story.

Hollow Earth. Hollow Earth. Hollow Earth is the one that I'm willing to entertain, not because I believe it's possible, but because at least it's fun. Nephilim. Oh, Giants. Are we talking about Giants giants i don't know the

giants where's where's isaiah i'm asking where is he we need to manifest isaiah isaiah in the room with us right now the problem is every time that word three times he appears every time that word comes up somehow he pops up somewhere behind us it doesn't matter where we are there's a there's a great meme picture from a couple of years ago of me doing one of the podcast episodes solo from the cabin i was at with isaiah and i he just walked up behind me outside the window that was right to my back and just holds an m1 garand just like this staring straight ahead and i didn't know he was there yeah i think i realized somebody in the chat said something about it i was like and you and you wonder if he was or wasn't fucking with you with the sounds like the day later but he seemed so serious about it he's a good actor man is he they i will say they got

into the vehicle earlier i was like hey ignore the srs cover in the back seat and they're like ah we've hung out with windigoon i was like i was like it's pretty pretty normal you should see the shits back of my truck right now oh i'm sure yeah no it's like i i've got a rifle sitting up on a shelf in my bedroom and my girlfriend's like i don't want to see it like i i could never get away with what he has i'm so jealous my uh i have envy of his ability to just display things openly my woman has a running joke right now for our house because obviously i've got just a shitload of guns that like whether we're doing videos with it or just they're around the house in my office whatever is uh the the first that she's she jokes that the first thing i say when i walk into any room

in my house when i'm thinking about decor is where a gun go where a gun go where a gun go you gotta always have one in reach one pretty much every fucking room in my house. Yeah. That couch not mixed with AK very well. You're trying to find one for each room. I will say, like, the worst experience I've had with firearms going back the six or so years that I've owned them was definitely when I bought my first handgun. And every single one of my

friends who several of them work for GOA just I got a 40 cal because that's what they had and the kind of gun I wanted that's what I could find nearby I got on your face and in your voice and my thing was I just I just want to have something for self-defense and this is what I can afford right now so yeah you know that was certainly one of your options i got a nice m&p shield in 40 i looked it up i was like this is a well-regarded handgun you got a nice m&p shield or you got an m&p shield in 40 so that's the thing is that for the last four years of my life this has been what i deal with yeah way nice you know it's so i finally went and picked up a 45 i'm gonna get a nine two and now i'm just gonna have one in each caliber did i or did i not

influence you for the 45 a little bit? Oh, no. It was that they didn't have a 9 when I went. That was part of it. Well, they had a 9. It's just that the 9 was $900 and the 45 was $200. What was it used? Yeah.

Did they find it at the bottom of a lake? I don't know why. Apparently, the M&P Shield does not resell well. 45? I've seen that for 200 dollars i'm not kidding it was like 265 i'd initially i'd gone into to trade my my 40 cal and as i found out nobody's interested in buying 40 caliber handguns so they were they offered me 85 bucks for it and i was like i bought it for 650 it's worth more to me to have a second gun than it is to have 85 so i bought the 45 and i'm looking at that now i don't think i i have over

a thousand guns on my license right now that is terrifying we have over a thousand guns i don't think i own a single 40 no i don't mean that's terrifying as in like i'm scared i mean like how did you spend that much money on guns i don't even know what i would do oh i'm not done okay oh yeah we all have a lot of you know what you know what fucking kills me about glock dude and i press this on my channel are we gonna talk shit about glock can we talk about i guarantee you it's the naming scheme isn't it yes oh yeah guess guess what caliber the glock 22 is not 22 no 40 40 glock 19 what's the glock 19 18 9 9 40 What's the Glock 19? Glock 18. 9. What's the Glock 40? That's the shorty.

Glock 40 is a 22, isn't it? No, I thought it was a compact 9. Glock 44 is a 22. The Glock 40 is the subcompact 9. Glock 45, I think, is a 9. What's the Glock 45? Is that the 20? I think 45 is like the... Yeah, you're the one in 45?

Yeah. Is it 21? You see, Whit, this is a problem. This is a problem. You fucking say Glock. You know what would have been real simple? Glock 45. Version 2.

You know why they name it that way, right? It's their pounds, right? Yeah, the patent numbers. Patent number 21. Patent number 22. Fuck you, Glock. It's awful. But yeah, this has been the thing. It's like, I have a bunch of friends who are... The most German thing I've ever heard. Swiss! Hold on, hold 22. Fuck you, Glock. It's awful. But yeah, this has been the thing.

It's like, I have a bunch of friends who are... Most German thing I've ever heard. Swiss! Hold on, hold on. Gaston Glock. What's the Glock 40? Rest. There's a ton of them.

Glock 40. Is that not a 22? The Glock... 22, yeah. No, it's 22, 23. Yeah, it's fucking... And 27. And then the Glock 22 didn't come out until a couple

years ago, and the Glock 22 caliber. Oh, the 22 caliber. See why this is a fucking problem? It's the Glock 44. And that one, real Glock Glock Gaston. Gaston. Gaston. Would have never made

the, because it's like plastic piece of shit. He was still alive when that was made. Really it's like plastic piece of shit. He was still alive when that was made. Really? Yeah. He died fairly recently. Last six months. I remember this happening. I think I was on Pop Culture Crisis when it happened. Like that week.

I know I keep managing your schedule frequently because you never look at a calendar, but I do not recall. Okay, before we end, tell me what happened to the USS Maine. Yeah, that's what I want to know oh yeah shit captain grip strength go captain grip strength so good god so like for toady do you not know about the main i i know very start of this uh spanish american war there was a ship that was off the coast of cuba that spontaneously exploded the media ran with it said shay uh said that spain blew it up and to this day it is hotly debated what actually fucking happened yeah it's the and my opinion on

it is that what what year was this again 1898 yes i think yes it's either 1898 or 99 the spanish empire was falling by the wayside strength wisewise, and Cuba had a revolution against Spain. America was like the new country trying to be the world power, and we were helping the Cubans overthrow the Spanish so that we could be a premier world power because we didn't want any European empires anywhere near us. So it was a U.S. Navy ship. It was a U.S. naval vessel in Havana Harbor that was basically delivering aid to the Cuban revolutionaries to fight off the Spanish. And it just blew up. And it blew up. And then we, the U.S. media said

that the Spanish did it and that was the reasoning of joining the Spanish-American War. What's that quote? It was something like, you take the pictures, I'll write the news or something. Something like that, yeah. It was like, referred to as like, yellow media. Yellow Journal. Yes. Yeah, where basically they're like, I don't give a fuck what the truth is you get me the goddamn picture and i'll write the story right the way i see it and this is something that i've run into because

a lot of these missing persons cases and things that we research some of them go back into the 1800s and some of the stuff we research for other stuff goes back that far too it's hard to find a lot of documentation from back then you're usually dealing with secondhand sources. Very rarely are you finding a personal journal or somebody who is actually there. So when I look at stuff like the USS Maine, I can see us doing it. I can see the U.S. government doing it. It's believed that it might have been a boiler explosion. You can see them launching a false flag event event or you can see them using it as an

excuse because something happened something exactly interesting which one of the two that's so i also real quick i was i was curious about this because it's relevant to the conversation i was wondering if there were any survivors and apparently 90 of the 350 men survived yeah yeah yeah yeah i didn't know that there weren't that far off shores like people were able to swim to safety i think there were other ships in the area as well i'd be curious to hear their takes yeah my my thinking on this would be that i'm not sure how the spanish would have managed to blow the ship up the way that they did if we're talking about 1917 sure like you know u-boats torpedoes all that i don't know if the spanish had torpedoes the time. I don't know if that was a technology that even existed.

Yeah, I'm not sure. I've heard it said in books, but I don't understand. Yeah, my thinking on it is probably that it was probably a boiler explosion. That was an accident. We used it as an excuse. It might not even have been the government at that point. It could very well have been the media just being like, oh my god, the main exploded. It was the Spanish.

It could have also been the Department of the Navy that could have been like, hey, this is a good excuse to invade Cuba. Building 7 looking submissive and breedable. That's kind of my thinking too. It could have been a boiler explosion that was just accidental and they used it. Or it was a false flag and they planted an actual bomb on the boiler and and you know blew it up yeah threw some dynamite on that bitch i'm basically i'm not sure if the gulf of tonkin incident was them being like hey it worked the first time or if the gulf of tonkin incident was like hey we can replicate that yeah you know i think i think the main i think we were looking for a reason to kick the spanish out because i that was i think probably their last real holdout wasn't it yeah their last real colony uh well no

they also had the philippines and in the in this part in that area guam if that i mean that's further away but in the caribbean oh they have puerto rico at the time i think they had puerto rico because we acquired guam we acquired right as part of the end and puerto rico at the end of the war and then we bought the philippines for 12 or 20 million dollars bought i think that's isn't that this are now we less than we paid. We buy. Less than we paid for Alaska? Or more than we paid for Alaska? Something like that? Probably.

Hey, Eli. Your McLaren's mine for 10 grand. Yeah. If you have big guns, I'm like, okay. Well, no. I'm not arguing. But here's the thing. I'm not mad about the USS Maine.

I don't care if they lied. Because it gave us Teddy Roosevelt. And it gave us the Rough Riders. And the fact there was an American cavalry unit that fought in cowboy hats and flannel is enough for me to be proud. How long are you in town? You guys have us on a flight out tomorrow. Yeah, it's up to you. Tonight, do you want to go to the

Menger? I don't know what that is, sure. The Menger Hotel, downtown San Antonio. There is the bar. It's right next to the Alamo that Teddy Roosevelt recruited the Rough Riders out of. He rode his horse into the bar it's right next to the alamo that uh teddy roosevelt recruited the rough riders out of he rode his horse into the bar shot a fucking handgun in the ceiling said basically you want to live forever isn't the bullet hole still in so allegedly i i want to say that that's the story yeah that's the story is the bullet hole still in the bar but they have like a museum

section dedicated to like rough riders shit because that is the bar and it's still attached to that old ass hotel that it's very much historic san antonio because the other thing is we wanted to go to the alamo and film a quick little like youtube short tiktok where it's like yeah we've been down in san antonio seen some of the sites but i just i feel like i'm forgetting something i forget like and we just want to you know it's cliche but we feel like we're here so we have to but i wanted to say you specifically would love this guy but somebody I would suggest to contact maybe bring down uh Stakuyi Stephen Bell he has a show called History of Everything like you guys would love him I've been on it he's cool I know him yeah yeah yeah he would be a good guy to bring down all right he's a fun I'm gonna hit up fun to drink with too we're gonna do Alamo

things with Jack dude let me do that in Nashville with him now I want to hear your version of this oh it's like the cleanest cut thing on the planet to me the uss main so like it's like you said this like stuff back then is not well documented the uss main is pretty fucking well documented uh so they sent a re the spanish did an investigation and america did an investigation as soon as it fucking happened and pretty much the entire debate was was the explosion internal or external if it was external it was for sure intentional done by somebody by a mine and if it was internal it was probably an accident and it was ruled in uh external external is it goes back and forth on all these different studies and then five years five or ten years after the fact after the spanish-american war they went and built a fucking coffer dam and pumped all the water out of it and then re-examined

the uss main where it was and then did it again there was like eight different studies and they launched another one in 1974 then national geographic did one it's been done over and over and over again and it's like they actually found that with the uss main in particular because it was a coal-powered ship yeah and it had a type of coal that was known for spontaneously combusting because cold because coal emits methane which is a fucking flammable gas and like i'm an electrician i worked in hazardous locations with flammable gases they didn't have the right precautions back then. And there was a gap between where they kept the coal and where they kept all the black powder. And they're in a harbor off a country known for how good its fucking cigars are.

Like, you tell me what happened. It's not that complicated. I'm going to admit something embarrassing right now, which is that the last time I went camping, I got a little impatient with the charcoal grill. Oh, God. That's not what I thought you were going to say. So there was some charcoal dust. I want to hear your story next. No, that will be later.

I pulled the lid off to check on it, because I was like, what is taking so long with this charcoal? And it did not appear to be burning. And I got frustrated, and I went to flick the lighter at it. Oh. The it. Oh. The dust. Yeah. So, fun story about charcoal dust. My eyebrows, my eyelashes, my hair, everything was singed.

Everything was singed. And I will be honest, this was only the second worst experience I had with gases in the air. Because when I was a bouncer at a bar in college, another guy in the bar made mustard gas in the bathroom. Nice. We're going to talk about that real quick. Oh, wait, well,

fuck. I was just going to say, fun fact about charcoal dust. One of the main ingredients of fucking gunpowder is charcoal. Very combustible as it turns out. Hey, there we go. Cody,

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do this community probably better for you savages anyways new shirt idea it's going to be the flat earth diagram right except it's going to be in the shape of a puzzle piece i love it ryan's wrong just just like the stars in the background and it's just wait i used to sell i back when i was like still working a marketing gig i had a side business where i sold t-shirts on teespring and one of them said it was the always sunny in Philadelphia font and it said there are only 1,784 ATF agents. Just an exact number. Only was carrying a lot of water on that sentence. But yeah, it wasn't written in bold, but it might as well have been.

I had another one that just said commit tax fraud. That was my best selling shirt. I've seen those around it might have been mine we love you love you You don't know my name When you see my face You don't know my