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Starting point is 00:00:00 Yeah, you wouldn't know about four million subscribers, would you? I don't. I can't wait to watch you guys fight. It's this close, bro. Look past it. Look past the penises. Welcome to Danny's. We'll kill your kids.

Starting point is 00:00:10 Caleb is like, violently... Autistic? It was like a family on a picnic that got hit by one of those manless kite bombs. Yeah, it's horrible. I can see him holding it! Like, I was f***ed! Hey, are you upset you missed out on the live show tour? Well, don't be, because we still have one show left to do.

Starting point is 00:00:29 Brandon, where is that show at? Beautiful. Las Vegas. During what week? During the week of SHOT Show. So this will be our last show of the tour on January 20th at the Venetian Theater, and this one will be a double feature with the Gundys. So if you buy your ticket, it gets you access to both the Gundys and the unsubscribed live show.

Starting point is 00:00:44 Two tickets for the pricey's. So if you buy your ticket, it gets you access to both the Gundy's and the unsubscribed live show. Two tickets for the price of one. So come hang out, have a blast, and then have a little SHOT Show experience too, right, Brandon? In fact, I would say the best part of SHOT Show. The drinking and hanging out. Literally, the only part we care for anymore.

Starting point is 00:00:58 So if you want to get the chance to hang out with some of your favorite people in the gun sphere and also just have a fucking good time and see one of our live shows, go check out the tickets. They're available down in the description. Yay! Come check us out. This is going to be chaos, and I love it.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Probably. It's the hosts versus guests. I can be seen and not heard. It's okay. I'm scared. Brandon's son, stop talking. Okay. Brandon's son.

Starting point is 00:01:19 We really do have like a Captain America Civil War. Everyone on the count of three, ready? Get that drink up. Oh shit. Three, two, one. Sweet. You gonna be donut this time? I can.

Starting point is 00:01:37 You want me to be? Yeah. Be donut for me. Why is it? I don't know about that. Hi everybody. Welcome to the Unsubscribe podcast. Today we are joined by several of my good friends, Eli Doubletap, Fat Electrician Nick,

Starting point is 00:01:50 my father, Brandon Herrera, me, my friend, OompaVille, also known as Caleb, and TikTok. Don't I potty. The Chinese spy. The Chinese be TikTok here in the flesh. Sorry, sorry. Also my barber. That's what it's going to be, TikTok barber. I'm leaving.

Starting point is 00:02:15 It's alright, we've got you in the thumbnail already. I just heard it. She could lose all of our subscriber counts combined and never notice. Ow. Ow. Yeah. So anyway, here with some friends. I already had my episode. I feel like I'm a pirate.

Starting point is 00:02:33 I'm intruding. So Eli, someone take over so I can talk to you. I'm scared. Yeah. Everyone's here for the range day. Brandon and Cody and Matt put on a fantastic range day. No one died. That's the only thing I care about. Everybody had a good time

Starting point is 00:02:49 and more importantly, nobody got shot. Next year. I see this as an absolute win. It was a fantastic time. Thank you all very much. It was awesome. Very well done. Every time I meet new people, get to hang out with cool guys. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. I do it for you.

Starting point is 00:03:05 In the flyer, we're like, man, 80 million subscribers across all channels. Chris takes up 95%. But I'm just the TikTok barber. Call me Chris. Because you needed an introduction. It's been so long.

Starting point is 00:03:24 I'm not even here. when were we here last time January 3rd was it January it's been almost a year oddly specific if he nailed that date I'm going to be shocked we drove in the second it was the third damn

Starting point is 00:03:38 my son also has that super you just converse way better it is 4 hours and 13 minutes to drive there daddy I'm like cool dope my son I don't remember asking how many of you guys got in yesterday or two days ago

Starting point is 00:04:05 and then did you have a blast yeah huge firearm I love guns there's guns everywhere actually when we first met I cleaned them up before she came over for the first time

Starting point is 00:04:20 presentation guns I put some smaller more. How are these locked in the upper press? I put some smaller, more fun looking ones. Like I have a little, a little Beretta Bobcat with a little suppressor on it.

Starting point is 00:04:31 I left that out. It's funny. Yeah. It's funny. I was just a mere little Canadian coming down. Exactly. And then,

Starting point is 00:04:36 oh, guns. Oh, guns there. That's crazy. But then I, you know, I kind of felt it out for the first little bit and then I was like,

Starting point is 00:04:43 okay, she's cool. And then he showed me his closet. And then I showed him my room your pleasure room my pleasure room my cedar room it's full of guns how was that the first time it was crazy I thought it was like that's where all the guns in America were maybe is this legal that's the first time I talked to you was when you walked into his factory. Yeah. And like, she was just like. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:12 What the fuck is happening? I need a shower before going back to Canada or I'm going to get arrested. Yeah. I need my Kevlar cardigan. Yeah. It was, yeah, it's crazy. But now I'm used to them. I'm used to them now.

Starting point is 00:05:23 You've been, you here. How long ago? April April grass will be are you American yet or is it in the process of green card? Soon it will be process Eli do you have your green card yet? I am about to get it. Okay. Awesome. I still have to do another tour and then yeah Oh, hey, we made we did the reverse oreo thing again anyways yeah we got you guys moved down yeah i wanted to talk about well how is it now like to living down here in texas you got like you just got thrown into the mix oh yeah no it's great it's great i feel free i feel freedom mm-hmm basking in it constantly no it's actually crazy and like all the tax shit

Starting point is 00:06:08 it's great the X yeah you have to deal with the process are you process the frat oh I hate it process I'm still going through that I'm still gonna pay much money to Canada until I can officially. Process. I'm still going through that. I'm still going to pay a bunch of money to Canada until I can officially be American. But I'll reap the reward soon, which will be great. How mad does that make you? On your side, were you like,

Starting point is 00:06:35 you've already paid taxes on that. Now you have to pay more taxes on the taxes? Because it is 40... There's a lot. Well, we have an idea. What I'm trying to get her to do, and her tax team is not a big fan of this, is and I've actually sought this around with a couple

Starting point is 00:06:52 local money guys, a couple moguls. We're going to get her to go back to Canada and we're going to get her to liquidate all our assets. She just sold a house up there. Liquidate all the assets, take all our liquid money, buy gold, and all our liquid money, buy gold. And then put it on, wear it.

Starting point is 00:07:08 And then cross the border. And then never go back. And then do that a lot though. You're gonna have to do a lot of squats and farmer's carries to prep for that. Gold, you know, gold, things like gold. Yeah. I figured it might work. You're just walking through. I figured it might work. You're just walking through.

Starting point is 00:07:26 I figured it might work. I figured. I think. You're like the wife of some white collar criminal that like goes to the airport with 18 watches on the other side. What's the time? Yeah. Only, only it's Caleb.

Starting point is 00:07:38 Caleb's the wife. Yeah. He has gold duct tape to his chest. How does it feel to be a trophy husband? This is how we do it in Virginia. Trophy husband. Walks across the border covered in gold. I need to claim asylum.

Starting point is 00:07:56 Yeah. Don't tell anyone, but Justin Trudeau kind of wants my shit. Governor Trudeau. Governor Trudeau. Yeah justin trudeau kind of wants my shit governor trudeau governor trudeau yeah it's a bitch it's a transition but hey but now you're down here living the dream yep fucking loving it truly everything's so much cheaper down here too like just food and everything it's crazy housing's great housing just proper around yep that's crazy. Housing is great. Housing, just all around. Yep.

Starting point is 00:08:26 That's crazy. Yep. It's great. Going on to you. You had a crazy month. You've had the video game launch, your candy's still crushing it, but then the Mr. Beast interview. My brain is broken because I heard you say, candy crushing it, and I'm like, Amogus, candy crush. I'm like, I need to be put down.

Starting point is 00:08:48 That sentence was candy crush Mr. Beast, completely unreadable. That sentence would kill a Victorian child. That's true. How was that? How much prep did you go into? I'm not a big prep guy to be honest same i like winging it uh or like whatever i can fit in sort of like a day is what i'll do and then i try not to think about the next step because if i do i just get super stressed out even more so um and yeah it was just a lot pretty much so short notice it lot. It was so short notice. It was also, everything was so short notice.

Starting point is 00:09:26 Same day. Even if I wanted to prep, there was like not a lot of, the game was like a lot of prep. That was, I've been working on that for like a year basically. And then the candy stuff obviously takes up a lot of time. But the Beast interview was like last minute. Hours. Did he reach out to you or did you reach out to him? Yes.

Starting point is 00:09:45 Initially he reached out to me. Okay. Yes. Yeah. And then you knew when he was flying in essentially? Yeah. So the morning of, he told me that he might come in the day, that evening, and then called me as he was boarding a flight like a couple hours later.

Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah. So I didn't know if he was going to come that day or not. That's power. Oh, yeah. And then wait till you hear this. We live in central Texas. Yeah. the nearest airport's two hours away he lands and i'm like we got two hours he shows up in 15 minutes so he landed at like a local he flew to a fucking private like a small airport because he has a private jet yeah allegedly and then he had there's a joke i heard uh have you heard the name of his jet? Internally. I'm pretty sure I can make this joke.

Starting point is 00:10:26 Pretty sure. They've got bigger things to worry about. They used to call it Mr. Beast and 10 others. Because if it ever went down, that's the only thing anybody would know. Mr. Beast and 10 others. Yeah, no names other than that was going on. That's pretty good. That's real.

Starting point is 00:10:52 Oh. No. Oh, it's so sad. That is funny. That is the way the world works. It is. That's real. That's what I said. It was also on the podcast tour where I was like, oh yeah, let me see. Donut Operator and 92 others. Speaking of how the world works,

Starting point is 00:11:12 at the bar last night you told me a story of buying your house and how you got it in a way the world's not supposed to work. Theft? Basically. Basically. Legal theft, basically. Unfair. I still feel indebted. So I have a really awesome house and I shouldn't have a really awesome house.

Starting point is 00:11:30 And the way that I got a really awesome house was that I was going to buy a normal house well within my means. And I put an offer in on this insane house because I knew the guy was going through a situation, a divorce, if you will. And I was like, this could, you know, this could be potentially interesting. This is like, and I had no idea who the guy was, whatever. And I'm looking at other houses. I go and see that house. It's crazy. I'm like, all right, I'll put an offer in. But with the caveat, I told my realtor that, you know, I don't mean this as disrespect, but this is what I'm comfortable paying for this place. I know it's worth substantially more. I know that it's a steal. Uh, and like, you know, I don't really care if it's, if it's a, if it's a no, I totally understand. Or like if there's a

Starting point is 00:12:14 renegotiation or whatever, this is what I can pay. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And like, it's not out of disrespect just to be clear. Um, and we accepted the offer and the reason was to so his wife got less money in the divorce i got so lucky i got so lucky just what was like the proportion of like if he was asking 100 what percentage did you offer um i would say probably if you're talking about build price, maybe 18%. Oh my god. If you're talking about realistic market value in the area,

Starting point is 00:12:53 all things considered. At the time? At the time, 47%. But still, this house is huge. It's ridiculous. It's insane. If you brought the price, you'd be like, what? Yeah, it's crazy. And it's like a steal.

Starting point is 00:13:08 That's the kind of guy that's like, I can always build more shit. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. He's like a very well-off. I can buy another house. I can never buy a house like that. He's also a genius. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:23 He's also a genius. And just so cool. And I've kept in contact with him like I was worried that it would be seen as like this massive thing of disrespect but in reality I was just like I don't fucking care it's just a house just say no I'll be fine do you got any more wives you want to break off with? yeah

Starting point is 00:13:40 he's really cool though he's a very good dude I'm still in contact with him he's that's awesome I'd So you are He's interesting if he has any more divorces, yeah, I know I'm waiting it's gonna be a search function on that woman by chance I'd be really convenient Just no dating property Yeah, we'll take the offer you like

Starting point is 00:14:04 Well, yeah, what was that like when your realtor messaged you or called you i was like he accepted i was pretty surprised to be honest and then i was like what's the property tax is gonna be because it's like a big house yeah uh but it's still so reasonable i mean it doesn't make sense to sell it or get rid of it yeah he took me to see the house the first time and I remember being like this is stupid It told me how much you paid for it. I'm like I hate you We don't even live there now. Yeah, that's the part that we live in a different house It's just kind of sitting there now. We're trying to figure out what to do. What about second house? Yeah second house

Starting point is 00:14:42 Yeah, that was another thing is I'm really I only offered I only offered it because I had people living with me at the time. It only makes sense if you have five people that want to live in one spot. Because it's laid out like a compound. It's like a gigantic compound. It's shaped like a dick, too. It is. That's convenient. It's actually shaped like a penis.

Starting point is 00:15:01 It is. Did you tell them about the mural? Oh, yeah. Actually, I feel like I should probably show you tell them about the mural? Oh yeah. Actually, I feel like I should probably show you guys that. Yeah, probably. See if I can find it really quickly. I posted it on Facebook. I love putting Chris in podcast interviews and be like, well tell them about the penis wall.

Starting point is 00:15:16 Yeah, I don't care. Oh, there's a legit mural. I lived it. Oh, it's a penis wall. Yeah, I had to go in that house for the first time I ever met him and he's like, this is my penis mural. And I was like, I had to go in that house for the first time I ever met him and he's like This is my penis mural and I was like good thing you hit all the guys Context of this picture I thought it'd be funny to post a picture

Starting point is 00:15:45 of me with some kind of material thing and flex and just be like, I'm so blessed. You know, like that type of photo. So he's wearing my merch. I'm wearing her merch. Oh wow. Feeling and looking blessed. Those are actual. Those are dripping decks.

Starting point is 00:15:59 That is. That's a Baroque. Is it weird to say that that's tasteful? It is! It is tasteful. I'm an artist an artist I paint so I actually was like this is really well done I appreciate it as far as dick walls go

Starting point is 00:16:12 there's a white and a black dick with balls and wings and wings and dripping but as part of a landscape they look sad. Yeah If I saw that on the wall of an Asian restaurant, I would never take a seat. Yeah with a fish tank Oh, yeah, normal never thing right? Yeah fits right in

Starting point is 00:16:37 You have to send it to you guys can all add me as a friend on Facebook. That's where that photo lives. I can send it to you. Cut the cock out. Pixelate them. I'm just like, how do you explain when you put your guns up and they're like, ah, my penis wall. Honestly, I'm just like, check this out.

Starting point is 00:17:00 And then you just explained the lore. Then it worked. Have you explained on the podcast you two met? Yeah, I think so. The last one. The last one, huh? Do farmers only? Yeah, Christians only.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Yeah, Christians only. Christian Mingle. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, Craigslist classifieds. Yeah, that's more accurate. It was a mail order website. Use AIMEN for Asia, but Canada close enough. Canadian refugees. Canadian refugees.

Starting point is 00:17:32 Snow Mexicans. Snow Mexicans. That's what I was going through. She was in front of the mural like, tax money, tax money, tax money. Look past it. It was interesting though we uh i messaged her when she followed me and i immediately was like what's up like five minutes later like the moment i'm not one for a lot of people they uh they like to they play this game of like you gotta let it

Starting point is 00:17:59 sit you gotta let it sit or whatever i don't do that at all it was like so refreshing i don't really care yeah you know they showed me the DMs it's so funny cuz she's like he's like hi and she's like oh I like your stuff and he's like fly down messages in between. Maybe three. And a Pete pic. And a Pete pic, yeah. Fly down your feet. Ha! What is going on right now? One with the sock, one without. For reference. It was like buying a horse. Let me check the teeth.

Starting point is 00:18:39 Exactly. Left foot? Do you need a place to live? Exactly, yeah. I know I'm a really good tax guy let's get this gold idea tell me more tell me more mustache and i moved down within like no time like for real and that's not like me at all you have to pay for your own health care now right you have to pay for your own health care now dude it's not even a thing up there it's all it's a con i've never actually got to talk to

Starting point is 00:19:18 somebody that's like has i've just heard like heard opinions from people that are anonymous on the internet like is it shitty if i I need an MRI, I've got to wait 10 months to get it. Have you considered s***? Heavily. It's legal. The sincerity in your eyes was alarming. Sorry, I had a lot of flashbacks.

Starting point is 00:19:38 It was like a Rolodex. Give her one of your purple hearts. Is that one of your... It's okay, I'll just have this purple white cloth instead 10 months is the VA that is on par that other one was funded by the government

Starting point is 00:19:55 weird if you want to go into the ER I've broken like 13 bones but every time I did I would have to wait almost a day or even to the next day to see a doctor to see a doctor because there's people going in there for the like a cold because you can't because it doesn't cost money so it's like it's flawed in a lot of ways and if you get other

Starting point is 00:20:16 if you do anything private you still have to pay for it so how do you break 13 bones i was reckless reckless yeah she was very reckless. Reckless child. Extremely reckless. I would, like, surf on top of golf carts and, like, go really fast downhills on skateboards and stuff. If we ever have a child, it will be... Fucked.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Need to... It will need a padded... It literally will need a padded... It will. It will. Yeah. I just won't tell them about those stories until they're older. The child?

Starting point is 00:20:44 Yeah. Well, it's, like, genetic. Oh. Yeah. It's like the tell them about those stories until they're older. The child? Yeah. Well, it's like genetic. Oh. Yeah. It's like the rabbits and the hawk. Yeah, but I'll be there with him or her to help them not make the same mistakes I did. What? Too much assumed knowledge.

Starting point is 00:20:58 I told her about it. We've talked about this a lot. Nature is more dominant than nurture. I like his explanation. I've told her. Yeah, she knows. She don't need to know. We're talking on a podcast.

Starting point is 00:21:10 I feel like it was like the hawk. There's like a study. There's a study about rabbits and hawks. They were, I forget how it goes from top to bottom, but at some point, the rabbits were not afraid of hawks. Then a hawk killed one. And then then from then on the generations that never even were

Starting point is 00:21:28 exposed to a hawk say 18 generations went by they showed a hawk fly over and they had the same reaction so it's like epigenetics yeah that was a gross paraphrasing I'm sure it's different but that's the general idea so you two trying to harm yourself as children you think that takes 18 generations to breathe out i think it's uh i think it's irrelevant that's how long it takes the child's gonna hurt himself all right yeah 18 rabid generations might be different you know it's true yeah i think he's saying that their kids will be fine in the year 2587. Solid gene. I'm fine.

Starting point is 00:22:08 Me, I'm fine. Only three concussions, 13 broken bones, many sprains and tears. You're getting less. It was 14 a minute ago. No, I corrected my... It was 13. She's healing. She's healed some.

Starting point is 00:22:23 Some hairline still. It's the Canadian healthcare system. 15 broken bones. How can you handle 14 broken bones? We'll need to schedule out for those 13 broken bones. I've been brainwashed. But yeah, we'll be fine. Canada's awesome though.

Starting point is 00:22:38 You do love Canada. No, I love Canada. There's a lot of... It's beautiful. British Columbia is like the most beautiful place in the world. I've been to a lot of places and it's, but Texas has its charm. Like it has like, like the sunsets and. I mean, I'm excited to go to Canada.

Starting point is 00:22:51 She's, she's, she's spoken very highly of it. Obviously. Have you never been? I've never been. Okay. I don't have a passport. He doesn't. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:57 He doesn't have a passport. I just had to get one. Yeah. That's such a crazy concept for a Canadian. Cause we go, we always go to the States, but go around the world. Snowbirds. But so many Americans, especially in the South, they don't have passports. Passports.

Starting point is 00:23:11 And that's really weird. They don't. We got everything. What do we need? I get it. Like, I understand, because I came across to come to the States all the time, because there's a lot to do here. Whereas in Canada, you got that, like, bottom third that's livable it's like 60 and you can't go up only for like like a camping or hunting or something and then when when we went to buffalo uh in like new york we were like five

Starting point is 00:23:34 miles from the canadian border yeah that's where uncle dijon literally walked across to come to our show he walked across the bridge no way yeah like seven degree weather was while it's snowing that's really funny my thought was like this is right right up on Canada at the warmest part of Canada. Yes. Yes. It's cold. How the fuck do you guys live there? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:53 It's really cold. Like, it'll be so nice not to shovel snow for months. Like, it's beautiful to look at. I love snow. But we have, you know, wake up really early in the morning to get out to still go to school because we don't get snowed out of school unless it's like insane so yeah i like four seasons but it's been sweet living down here and honestly like i get like depression like like season the sun absolutely real because i already suffered suffered with, but my God, does it help to be in the sun?

Starting point is 00:24:27 It's crazy. There's a statistic like Washington has the highest because of the 280 days of rain. And even just having your windows open. Just having your windows open and the sun being there, it's so much better. Even from Virginia, it's just the sun, the sky is just so much larger. You from Virginia. It's just the sun, the sky is so much larger.

Starting point is 00:24:46 You're just exposed to light more. How come all the brighter places don't have bad taxes? People are happier. They don't feel the need to impose their evil will on their representatives. More vitamin D. Everyone's all alone.

Starting point is 00:25:04 Oh, you cured everything! So when you did your go back to Mr. Beast, you did Mr. Beast you had two hours to prep apparently. So yeah, I mean, so he he came, I forget exactly what time it was. I haven't thought about it a lot.

Starting point is 00:25:21 It was your game launch day. It was the game launch day. Game announcement day. your game launch day. It was the game launch day. No, it was the demo launch day. Game announcement day, demo launch day. I had left his house less than 24 hours before. We were filming for a week before that as well. We spent like five days, I think, hanging out

Starting point is 00:25:35 filming, stuff like that. Behind on work. I leave, he's like, I launched the game, and then he's got a few hours. Yes. And I just made the commitment to like I had a list of questions and stuff I'm just like all right what am I gonna do say no of course not yeah yeah I need more time Mr. Beast yeah we're doing this thanks you're fucking loaded up oh he's here already okay that included setting up the cameras and everything like we had to like

Starting point is 00:26:01 set everything up yeah yeah and he got there at like 9 p.m i think somewhere in there 8 30 or 9 or 9 and then they filmed till like 11 something like that and then we yeah i don't know and he was over till like like two or three in the morning and then he fucking flew away into the cover of darkness away the smoke bomb just yeah it was crazy he had a driver and the driver was like nine feet tall and bald. Fucking. Truck month is on at Chevrolet. Get 0% financing for up to 72 months on a 2025 Silverado 1500 custom blackout or custom Trail Boss. With custom Trail Bosses available, class-exclusive Duramax 3-liter diesel engine,

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Starting point is 00:27:00 What the fuck? Did Mr. Beast just got picked up by the judge? That's fucking wild. It was crazy, though. Oh, no. Chris Tyson? You can't say that. You can totally say that. It's like a father-son joke or whatever.

Starting point is 00:27:23 Maybe it made the connection at the same point in time. Oh no. It's a character from Blood Meridian. Oh, I know the judge. Eli knows, he's just being nice right now. Great villain. Yeah, Mr. Beast walked out of the house, took off his shirt and his bat wings came out. Great villain. Little. The judge. Great villain. A little bit, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:46 The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge.

Starting point is 00:27:50 The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge.

Starting point is 00:27:59 The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. The judge. multiple things with him i i've actually i i've mentioned it a few times on the podcast i don't know if you knew this but like i did a bunch of stuff with him like starting back in like 2019 and then um like the canon videos and stuff like that and a little couple behind the scenes stuff like some made it to youtube some didn't but about it always had a good relationship with his team and they've always been really good to me and like i've never had an issue with them

Starting point is 00:28:21 um but i feel like jimmy's priorities he's very much buried into how do I make this the best thing it can be? How do I make the best product? How do I grow the best? And then I feel like all the PR stuff that happens and all the people that watch it up left and right are just like an annoyance to him. It's like, damn it. Why are you, why are you with my vision of what this can be? That's exactly. Yeah. His, his pillars of the things like the, just a quick read would be that I got from doing the interview would be his

Starting point is 00:28:48 pillars of like what he cares for and understands and like genuinely prioritizes and would even consider there being something wrong or whatever are going to be things that are within his control. 100% data, YouTube thumbnail. That's what he cares about. Like obsessively, obsessively,

Starting point is 00:29:04 like his, all of his pillars, like up into, even to his morals, potentially, you know, all of that stuff is just, just cordoned off into one,

Starting point is 00:29:12 just YouTube hyper-focused thing. Which he's really good at. Yes. He's just a guy. Clearly. Like people forget he's just a guy. He literally is just a guy. A younger,

Starting point is 00:29:22 a younger guy that is running, not a small team. You are known more than A-list celebrities at that point. And then you have all, everyone wants you to fail no matter where you, the bigger you are, that's what they want. So it's like us, we'll have like our coworkers or employees, but then it starts branching out, especially at that size. Yeah, you lose control over stuff, which he, I mean, took the blame for a lot of the stuff. You know, it is under his company, so fair enough. Yeah, and I think, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, of course, if you're, I kept saying that he was the guy.

Starting point is 00:29:53 So it's like, if any, you should just expect that. Like, if you are naive enough to believe that you are not going to be criticized massively for everything you do, and when you're at that level, then you deserve more criticism. You're going to have to get used to PR. Like, you are the guy with everything to gain everything to lose so like you deserve to be criticized maximally you have to be transparent with everything the second you do you're like i cured a thousand blind people and the internet's like fuck you dog you're like okay okay this is a new yeah i'm here that's why christ because i tried to help people or x y and z and like oh people just hate you this is a new. Yeah. That's why I cried because I tried to help people or X, Y, and Z. Oh, people just hate you to hate a lot of the time.

Starting point is 00:30:29 And that's like, we're not meant to handle that either as people. And he, I don't think he was, he was used to it either. Cause he has just, just gotten praise, praise, praise, praise, praise. And then he got to this point where people were like, and it came kind of during the philanthropy stuff, which is interesting. Like all the hate and stuff. Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of it started before that as well, but the philanthropy,

Starting point is 00:30:49 like he said in the video that he was convinced if he didn't do as much of his, if he did less philanthropy, he would get less hate, which is very ironic. He said he was convinced that if he did less philanthropy,

Starting point is 00:31:02 he would get less hate. He gets a lot of his, like people are, you know, Because he's pedestalling himself. He's making himself the moral arbiter whether or not he wants to be that guy. To me it makes sense. If I was him, I would expect even more criticism.

Starting point is 00:31:18 And hopefully critical thought wins in the end. Wow. It might. If he really... The critical thought wins in the end, but it's not, it might, it might, you know, you know, if he, if he really, if he, the, the critical thought, you know, it's like the amount of people that are mad are very small amount of people, right? Yeah. So it's, it's always a vocal minority of people that want to tear people down. Yeah. And, but even then there is, I would say that, that the people who want to tear people down, there's always almost some level of truth to it.

Starting point is 00:31:44 And it's like, that's how you grow, is by acknowledging the level of truth, even if it's difficult to see. Because your instinct is to not want to be. I'm fine. I don't do your shit. Out of curiosity, because this is leading somewhere, do you guys read any of your comments?

Starting point is 00:31:59 Do you read? I do, yes. I do, a lot. I always know, I was just going to say, I can't remember the last comment I read. Really? Okay. I don't think so. I find that there's two different philosophies where people either read all their comments or they fucking read none of it.

Starting point is 00:32:14 Even though I've known that it's bad for mental health for a lot of reasons, I try to read a lot because I try to figure out, even if I think you're wrong and I don't agree with your take, I want to know what that perception is. Yeah. Cause I want to know like, if you hate me, why? Yeah. I think it's invaluable. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's market research right there.

Starting point is 00:32:31 It is. I hate to put it that way, but like. That's interesting. Yeah. It's certainly smart to, I think my issue is sometimes I get a bit too in my head about it. Yeah. A bit like all, like every now and then you'll scroll and you'll see one.

Starting point is 00:32:43 It's like, I hate you. I hope you don't. It's like, wow. Great. Critical feedback. Thank you. Yeah. A bit like all like every now and then you'll scroll and you'll see one it's like I hate you I hope you don't. It's like wow great critical feedback. Thank you. Yeah. But then like

Starting point is 00:32:48 I do that sometimes. I do too. Yeah. That's funny. And then he's going to shit on you for the

Starting point is 00:32:55 next two years. He only answers like the people that are like no he's like thank you. It was really funny with Mr.

Starting point is 00:33:02 B stuff. Anyone who was like like mean to you on Twitter you would reply with a picture of you just as an old man. Beast stuff. Anyone who was like mean to you on Twitter, you would reply with a picture of you just as an old man. Just stressed. I'm so sorry. I literally...

Starting point is 00:33:10 I'm sorry. Your old man bit is so funny. That is so funny. They didn't think it was funny. Because a lot of the criticism of the Mr. Beast thing... They're gonna get it. A lot of the... So the video has like, I think it's 96% like to dislike ratio. So it's still really good. You know, like to dislike.

Starting point is 00:33:31 And the people who are commenting negatively are most likely hitting the like. You hit the like before you comment, generally speaking. It's like because you're compelled to comment something. And like that level of being compelled to do that, there's a few steps in between. So it was received overall well, but most of the criticism, most of it, genuinely most of it, I feel like was valid. So when people were criticizing me, I was like, well, there's nothing I can even say to this. Like, you're right. What was the, what am I supposed to say? What was the criticism you think was valid? That I didn't, that it was unprepared. Okay. Yeah. I would say that that's perfectly valid, unprepared or underprepared.

Starting point is 00:34:09 You had two hours weird. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense as to why, but that is still valid criticism. It is, but it is that weird part. Cause you also, it was like, Oh, well you didn't like, you weren't hard enough on it during the interview which is like you get to choose how you want to interview people and i think a lot of people forget that it's like these are the creators over here we are providing this to entertain and also because we like to do it but also everyone's going to have a different style to approach it and i mean i would never we've never been hard on anyone no and so we're not even sometimes they deserve it we bully but it's there's also a thing that people don't understand online when they comment stuff like that where

Starting point is 00:34:52 it's like all right if you're it's very different to leave comments on something like these are my criticisms of that person it's a different thing to look someone in the fucking eye yes it's totally different completely different we have a non-confrontational most people do anyway like a little bit of like a non-confrontational, most people do anyway, like a little bit of like a non-confrontational vibe where it's like, all right, I want to press you, but I don't want to start a fight.

Starting point is 00:35:11 Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think that's valid. And I think that, um, I mean, that's generally how I approach things.

Starting point is 00:35:17 I do wish that I would have asked more questions as well for talking, you know, more, more valid criticism. I missed some questions, but I called him the next day because there were some that I missed. If I could do it again, if I didn't have the context that I have now

Starting point is 00:35:32 and I had more time to prepare, I can't promise that it would be any better, to be honest. Just because I don't think I would have approached it much differently. But knowing now, I have a lot of cards that I could play now for interviews that I've learned literally from the criticism. So, yeah, it was no negatives whatsoever.

Starting point is 00:35:51 It was awesome. All around positive. He's being way too humble. I'm very proud of him as a friend just because that was like the YouTube event for a long time. And it's like he had the opportunity for it. He had a couple hours and he was like, bring it on. Yeah. I was more stressed than him, I feel like.

Starting point is 00:36:06 Dude, they have the level of stress to be like, hi, you know this giant thing Mr. Beast hasn't talked about ever? Hey, you got the spotlight, my friend. Yeah. You're talking about one of the biggest internet events, period, of one of the most famous people on earth. You have less than a Marvel movie to prepare. Yeah. No, like. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:24 Starting now. What was weird? It was weird because I wasn't really nervous for it much. famous people on earth, you have less than a Marvel movie to prepare. Yeah. No, like. Yeah. Starting now. What was weird? It was weird because I wasn't really nervous for it much. Like, I was excited more than anything, which is odd because I'm, like, a. I mean, up until pretty much this year, I feel like I've been the most just anxious person. And, like, I haven't done a lot of things because of it. And I've just, like, lived my life in a way that I wouldn't consider to be optimum in

Starting point is 00:36:44 some senses. What do you think changed? I don't know. It's in a way that I wouldn't consider to be optimum in some senses. What do you think changed? I don't know. It's hard to tell. She's helped. She's helped. Like absolutely. Never mind. As you were the bright knuckle in her leg. Yeah. She's like pocket ginger.

Starting point is 00:36:58 I don't know. I don't know what did it. Yeah, actually. My pocket ginger really helps. I have something to do with it, though. I seriously thought that was a bit the first time you did it. No, it's not. People keep thinking that. You don't have to know.

Starting point is 00:37:13 It's literally, he gnaws on ginger. I do, really. I gnaw ginger. Look, it's fresh, too. And now I'm totally into it, too. I mean, it helps a lot. Sure. What?

Starting point is 00:37:20 With what? Gnaws you. Like, because we both have bad stomachs, so if you just take a little notch off it. A little nip. I'll take a little bit of ginger. Yeah, we should all take a little nip of ginger. I will say on that point,

Starting point is 00:37:36 for the time he had and everything, he did a phenomenal job. I appreciate that, Isaiah. It was like, being there and watching it, it was so stressful. She was texting us as it was so stressful. She was texting us as it was going on. I was, yeah. She was like help, help, help. But it's hard too because I feel like

Starting point is 00:37:52 he knew this but a lot of people that were gonna tune in and watch that didn't maybe necessarily know Caleb and he's a jokester. He jokes in every other sentence so I think it was hard for him because he wanted to just be himself

Starting point is 00:38:07 and joke around. So it came off, I feel like, because I know him so well, and I think it came off as that he was just Wake you up. That's like a mouth smelling salt. He was restricted.

Starting point is 00:38:21 I had one instant regret because after it I was like, oh oh fuck this feels like I was unprepared and I wasn't trying to be Funny yeah, at least Should at least try to be more funny because there were so many things where he would say something I was like, I watched him implode from inside. Every time I was like, and there's, oh no, he can't. He can't choke because this is supposed to be serious. Screams internally. So like he has to push back everything that he's ever been. He couldn't take the jam out.

Starting point is 00:39:00 He's out. Oh shit. It was a little too much too quick. I started chewing. No, it's a lot yeah, and you got Your one go ahead this one is half the size what he did Three days money he's got ginger money Receipt paper for BPAs microplastics. Do I swallow this or just chew?

Starting point is 00:39:32 Spicy stew on it. Yeah, yeah, you'll be fine. I'm fine I chewed mine all the way up. I do a bite and then lip biting them lip. Mm-hmm. I love it I just chew it. I'm used to it now. Yeah, I'm so you wake me up makes me salivate and then I love to drink spicy Dr. pepper immediately after it is a cake yeah no you know what kind of doctor dr. pepper is this is a good this is a good match to the physician same All right. Guess I know that now. Same kind as Dr. Phil. But yeah, it was cool, though. It was an interesting moment. Dude, that's, I mean, that is, I was super proud.

Starting point is 00:40:18 I think we talked like the day before, and you're like, oh, fuck, this is how, or I just did this. I was like, congrats, man. That's wild. Yeah, it was unexpected. Especially after you're launching your video game. Yeah, that was way more important to me. Because I'm also very much so just very good at prioritizing things from like a meaning perspective. When I'm spending time on and how into it I'm getting and like how much apathy I'm approaching it with. Whenever I get into a new project or do something, there's always a certain level of just armor I go into it up with

Starting point is 00:40:50 to prevent myself from being stressed. So that could be why I'm less anxious is I've gotten really good at that over the last year. But with the YouTube stuff, what would you mean? I'm still stressed all the time. I mean, I'm still stressed. I'm just not having a panic attack. No, I was saying that I haven't helped you do stress. That's what I was saying. Oh, no, yeah, yeah. Not me. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, wait the time. I mean, I'm still stressed. I'm just not having a panic attack. No, I was saying that I haven't helped you do stress.

Starting point is 00:41:06 That's what I was saying. Oh, no, yeah, yeah. Not me. That's what it's in. It's in. It's in. Ginger flavor is in. I'm just a pilot.

Starting point is 00:41:11 I feel like I chewed a Zin. I feel like that's what I was doing. It wakes you up. You're like, there are a few times, not to take it off what you were talking about, Ginger. You're good. There are a few times where I'd be tired, so he's like, try this. And it's like, I've got another three hours in me right now.

Starting point is 00:41:24 Let's go. That's straight up. I can't think of a better comparison me right now. Let's go. That's straight up. I can't think of a better comparison. That's an oral smelling salt. That's fucking good. I love it so much. It's like, dude, 32, 17, once they started talking about ginger, loved it. I wish I could relay to the audience a 4D experience.

Starting point is 00:41:42 My God. Go to your local grocery store, get some raw ginger. Get organic. Get organic. And the smaller the root, the better. Yeah. The denser the skin, the smaller the root. Yeah. That's what I tell her. I know.

Starting point is 00:41:56 Someone would be able to pull something out of that. Yeah. But I was really upset. Back to the... What were we talking about? I'm so sorry. The Mr. Beast time you had to prepare the game coming out again coming out Oh, yeah approaching like the game thing is just so meaningful and so cool and so much fun And then YouTube videos are YouTube videos. Yeah, you know Yeah, and which is cool because you have an infrastructure like I could just tell from like conversations We've had and also like you can tell like from creator to creator

Starting point is 00:42:23 Like you have an infrastructure for the YouTube videos to make that an easy like kind of like a scene seamless process yeah absolutely a video game that's something that is so like you don't have any experience with that it's so new like totally that's gotta be scary yeah and i've also i've also like uh committed to being a part of it and like actually like i've learned to code again i already knew how to program, but like I haven't done it in years. And like I'm in C Sharp making shit in Unity,

Starting point is 00:42:49 which is so cool and so much fun. And like a lot of, some of the prototypes and stuff that we've put, that we're putting in the game that we've put in the demo are things that I've like made little prototypes of

Starting point is 00:43:00 in my own small world in Unity to like show to actual tech people with 30 years of experience or 20 years of experience or 10 years of experience who can take that and then just improve it you yeah you launched your it's on wishlist black pine on steam and then you guys have who is the entire team you have a lot of content creators with it right plus yourself uh it's just it's just me i'm the only content creator no and everyone else is just a developer or artist or designer or tech guy.

Starting point is 00:43:26 Yeah. You had a video come up on that today, right? Oh, yesterday. I played it. Yeah, I played it on stream just to be like, this is fun. You gave it a one out of ten, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. You were just shitting on it the entire time.

Starting point is 00:43:39 Very honest. I appreciate it. The truth about Black Thunder. The thumbnail is me like. Yeah, it's five out of ten. Yeah. It was as long as your beast in the corner of the thumbnail. I appreciate the truth about black fun Actually, mr. Beast game you can tell because they interviewed each other It's the red threads in between. Well, yeah, no pun intended Genuinely unintentional. I I made yeah So I made a video playing it in a live stream

Starting point is 00:44:06 and then uploaded a highlight reel of it and stuff. But yeah, Caleb is the only content creator with making Black Pine. Yeah, there's no other content creators on it. But it's cool, though. It's good. It's like a horror-themed game? Yeah, it's a horror game. Okay, cool.

Starting point is 00:44:20 My favorite games of the last couple years that I've played the most with my friends have all been like Phasmophobia or Lethal Company or Battle Rock Galactic or just four player. You go in, you get stuff, you take it out. You go in, you get stuff. Like Helldivers. Exactly. That exact same kind of you're in a group with your friends

Starting point is 00:44:40 and you're doing things. You're working towards something. There's like a lot of lore involved as well, which is really cool. Yeah. The main difference is like a, we're trying to build, we're trying to build a pretty interesting world along with it as well.

Starting point is 00:44:52 Storytelling. That's the cool part. Cause I've, I've found myself get sucked into like, you know, cyberpunk red dead. Like I love story driven games, but I also enjoy games where you can go in with your boys,

Starting point is 00:45:02 like four dudes. Like it's like the magical squad size where you just like, you hang out with friends that maybe you don't talk to all the time. Exactly. You do some cool stuff. Literally the best time to do it. That's the only time I talk to Freddy or any of the core. It is during video games. Darnell.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Yeah, literally. Oh, fuck yeah. I forgot about it. Calling him Darnell. I was like, hey. And then he just carries us through everything. I was like, oh, okay. That's, thank you.

Starting point is 00:45:24 He just played Red Dead, just finished Red Dead a month ago. And then he just carries us through everything. I was like, oh, okay. Thank you. He just played Red Dead, just finished Red Dead a month ago. Dude, I took so long. I beat it the first time this year. Got Brandon and I was like, just get past the snow part. It sucks. You guys are already, like it took you that long to do Red Dead 2? Yeah. So I played it like four years ago and I hated it.

Starting point is 00:45:42 I never got out of the mountains. I was like, this is like horse walking simulator I don't I don't understand it and then like and then I got into it like three or four months ago and got obsessed because I love story driven stuff like that and it is probably one of the best yeah universes like I love the characters are amazing I just did a red dead video I think it's dropping like today I love that game so much. It's okay, girl. I hope they make a show. That'd be sick.

Starting point is 00:46:08 You know who said he would be down to play Arthur Morgan? Who? I think it was Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Oh, man. Negan. Yes. Yeah. He's great.

Starting point is 00:46:16 Yeah. You're good, girl. I feel like he'd be better as Dutch. Yeah. He'd be a perfect Dutch. It would suck. I can see that. I think so.

Starting point is 00:46:23 It sucks because, I mean, that would be really awesome, but man, it's like the guys who played those, who did the performance capture, who performed those characters, they did such a fucking good job that it would almost suck to see them not, like Roger Clark is who did Arthur Morgan. It would suck to see him not be. Yeah. He should be Arthur Morgan. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:42 It's like a different, obviously a different beast. But, yeah. And like what you're talking about, the amount of people that I know that disliked the game when it first came out. Because it's just, instead of everything happening within 40 seconds, you have a new beat. Something to get you in the game further. And a new character that everyone, I didn't realize how pissed people were about that. were yeah they like that game was really bold in terms of that in terms of not really catering to the the upcoming attention span yeah and it's legendary it's it's so frustrating because it's like I wish I could just like mind meld people like all the thing about the game but it's it's a 90-hour Western literally

Starting point is 00:47:20 which it absolutely what what a smart idea to make John be a background character for the first four acts of the game so then come back as like the reckless kid who now has something to lose because he loves Abigail and he loves his son that he's decided to take responsibility for and Arthur who's come to the character conclusion if I don't have a lot longer to live sees them and says that's all that matters now. And then literally passing the hat off. What a brilliant way to write a book. Yeah, I forced her to play it this year.

Starting point is 00:47:51 Did you cry too? Oh, I was like, this is amazing. I almost cried. I love movies and all that, but I was like, this is the best movie I've ever watched in my life. Rated spoilers. Yeah. Yeah, true. It's funny, my employees the last couple of days, because obviously I've been kind of bad off, they've just been saying, like, I'm walking around,

Starting point is 00:48:08 all right, make way, black lung. Tuberculosis, it's a hell of a thing, son. Tuberculosis. Unlike a not-set, like, the very end of, like, the epilogue to the game, where you're playing as John, and you get to the mountaintop, find a mic and stuff. And then those guys come out. I was like,

Starting point is 00:48:27 it's always you, John. He's like, it's always me. And then the name of the song and the in mission being called. It's so exciting. Oh my gosh. Dude,

Starting point is 00:48:39 like 10 out of 10. If you haven't played it again, I get you. Yeah. That's one of the reasons too that video games are so cool is like there's just no

Starting point is 00:48:49 I've never felt any way close about a movie that I have about like there's good movies but Red Dead Redemption 2 specifically is so good

Starting point is 00:49:00 that it is impossible to explain to people yeah you cannot articulate it like you know you can't hear it's it yeah Brian the only time was getting like text at 2 in the morning because I knew that's when I knew your girl was out of town because it was brand new like to the morning's like man that was one of the hardest scenes to watch and read I'm like, yeah. It's like 2 o'clock in the morning

Starting point is 00:49:26 and I'm like, I just put my horse down. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucked up. Have you played it yet, Nick? No, I'm just playing League of Legends being a complete degenerate because I hate myself. You should feel bad about that one. I do feel bad, actually. It's great.

Starting point is 00:49:42 Did you see the one where it was like the name I think I sent you this morning? Where it's, like, they were obviously, like, doing something for, like, a stage play. But it was, like, the, you know, you have the big, like, crates for, like, the old-fashioned dresses. But they were doing it for, like, a play. And they had, like, six kids underneath it. And, like, one dude walking around with the crate. And they were just, like, all walking underneath it.

Starting point is 00:50:00 It's, like, when you pass a million subscribers as a Minecraft YouTuber. That's awesome. Yeah. That's how I feel about League of Legends. That's fair. I hate it. Figures. I hate the animation. Really? Yeah, I do not like the animation

Starting point is 00:50:19 style. I don't like it. I don't like it. It's so beautiful. It's the most beautiful animation I've ever seen. I hate it a lot. It's so beautiful. I hate it. I'm sure it's great. I'm sure it's a terrific storyline. Do not like the animation. I can't do it. I'm sorry. It's wild.

Starting point is 00:50:34 That was the first time I was like, this is anime now. I kind of know what you're talking about. It might be a good story, but it's hard on the eyes. Are we doing... Is it real life? Is it CGI? Or is it fucking cartoons? It's hybrid. Everyone's like, no, it's a bad take.

Starting point is 00:50:48 Really? You also, the king of the hills anime. It is, objectively. Terrible. It's 100% objective. What do they call that animation? Like, is it cel shading? Or what is it?

Starting point is 00:51:00 They did something new with League of Legends. Or Arcane. Sorry, Arcane. No, that's all right. No, I think everybody's got their opinion. I totally know what you mean, though. Sorry if it's arcane. I think everybody's got their opinion. I totally know what you mean though. It took me a couple episodes because I was just like everybody was talking about it when it first came out and I was like, I'll watch it. That was the nice way of saying it.

Starting point is 00:51:16 The story and the characters, they did a really good job. That was a very political way of saying, you're entitled to be wrong. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, for sure. No, exactly. You're stupid, but it's good. Yeah, for sure. No, it's just like, you know how a big movie will have a 30-second intro cartoon?

Starting point is 00:51:34 Like Hellboy has the intro cartoon where they're telling a little background story for 30, 45 seconds where it's like a really jarring animation? It's that, but that's the whole show to me. Yeah. I don't know. I don't like it. Did you see the cut that they did for China? China? I didn't see that. That was wild.

Starting point is 00:51:51 Like China, they literally re- animated certain scenes to remove gay stuff. To make it more palatable to Asian audiences. I mean, even World of Warcraft. They have principles until it's time to sell to China. Well, you remember the Black Panther and Star Wars stuff, right? Oh, interesting. I mean, even in World of Warcraft. They have principles until it's time to sell to China. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Well, you remember the Black Panther and Star Wars stuff, right? Yep. Like on the original poster for the first Marvel Black Panther movie where it's T'Challa, Chadwick Boseman. Yeah. Chadwick Boseman. The poster in the United States was him with the mask off and the suit on. And then in China, they had the mask on.

Starting point is 00:52:23 Yeah. Because like... In Star Wars, they took Finn off the poster or made him very tiny. Yeah, they downsized Finn and stuff. Weird. Well, we have principles about things unless there's money involved. Well, we have principles

Starting point is 00:52:35 in America. Or the Warcraft. They got rid of all these skeletons. They have completely different dungeons or models for it because i think skeletons or something is not allowed to be shown it scares them too badly what's that scares them too bad yeah that's the line but yeah it's completely too spooky yeah it's like a fucking scary dude shit man you guys seen scary movie too scary movie yeah we were just watching all the scary

Starting point is 00:53:05 movies skeleton in that movie scared the shit out of me when i was a child it's like moving around like this it's like a fake skeleton yeah it's like the worst looking thing ever how goes the candy company you fucking crushing with i dude i love we've talked about it so many times when you're not around it's like just how motivated you are all the time yeah dude he's so successful that's right you're building you built an entire candy company that is now expanding into even bigger spaces and then you just launched um the Chews or the Gummies, right? Little Guys. Yeah, Little Guys.

Starting point is 00:53:46 Little Guys, yeah. Today we're launching a flavor that is lemon, cherry, watermelon, peach. Yeah. And it's called Yellow Snow. But it's all yellow, so. And it's all yellow. And the bag is a snowman who is covered with piss. But it's delicious.

Starting point is 00:54:02 It's very good. It doesn't actually taste like piss. There's no piss in it. No. But it's called yellow snow. You almost had me. Yeah. There's one drop. There's a little piss. It's like the golden ticket. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:54:16 It's like ammonia. It smells like chicken broth. Those little guys are dangerous. Because the strips, I can i can be like i'm gonna take two to my room and be done the little guys are like the bag's empty they're good yeah they're really good but it's going really well it's very bad because of like how much adversity was involved in the company like early on and you just move past it and you're just fucking killing it i appreciate it yeah it's uh It's a, it's, it's still, it's still obviously like a challenge, but the, the team is all just like, yeah, it's easy now. We got it.

Starting point is 00:54:49 Even if it's like insurmountable, they're just like, we can do it. It's just nice to be in a position where it's like, you're constantly sold out of everything. Yeah. Like that is, it's still a problem, but it's a good problem to have as a business owner. Now we're getting a bit better with that. We're able to produce more. Yeah, with the little guys, we can make substantially more of them. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:04 So that we actually have stuff in store almost all the time now. Are you still doing it all in-house? Yeah, still all in-house, still all direct-to-consumer. Yeah, and we're going to outsource our fulfillment soon as well. And that will get the turnarounds for orders higher, better, because we're fulfilling from a small town in central Texas. By default, you're slower. But there's a company in Houston that's going to drive to us every week to get our new flavors.

Starting point is 00:55:31 Oh, shit. That's like a hard commitment to get. But they're going to do that. And then you're getting more machines up and running so you can produce even more, right? We're trying to build a warehouse soon, or bigger one so we can get more candy so we can... It's like that perfect... It's that brain where it's like,

Starting point is 00:55:49 I like YouTube. Also want to do candy. Video game sounds really good right now. The ultimate big candy. Oh, hey, Mr. Beast is calling. He's a big 12-year-old.

Starting point is 00:56:01 I just cut my hair. I'm in a stale now. I make candy. The f*** is my ginger? I get to take off school every day. Chris, trim me. I need to do it in two minutes and then he wants to get up and leave.

Starting point is 00:56:17 Yeah, she takes so long. He's got a head of hair. He's got more hair than me on his head. He's got a lot of hair. I's got more hair than meat on his head. He's got a lot of hair. I always say, in order to be successful in this business, to a large degree, you have to have some combination of functional autism and ADHD. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:36 It's all of us. It's really interesting. It feels like the Shane Gillis thing. It's like, ah, it nicked me. Maybe not 100%, but it's there. Last time I was down, we took an autism test. And Caleb passed with flying colors. Killed it.

Starting point is 00:56:53 That's also why he's the most successful out of the three of us. Did I tell you about my shop employees? Me and all my shop guys took an autism test. We were all like, handshake. None of you guys can cheat. We all did the same autism test we're all like handshake none of you guys can cheat we all did the same autism test i came in second somehow next to the guy who has a literal autism diagnosis at the live shows fans were like thank you for what you do i have autism too

Starting point is 00:57:21 they shake my hand i'm like is this a well-known thing? Yeah. Do you know that? I do it all the time. Thank you so much. I'm also retarded. God damn it. And it's genetic. Thank God.

Starting point is 00:57:42 Caleb is like violently autistic. I know that. I was like violently inspirational surprise. Remember the Argentinian food? Bro. That was funny. What did I say? I forget. We're at Bunker and we just got a new Argentinian barbecue guy and he came out and he was like making food just for all the Bunker employees as like

Starting point is 00:58:17 an intro so they could all get to know him. I don't know why he kept calling it schnitzel. Bro. That's funny. It was so good. Like, we were eating it, and he takes one bite of an empanada and goes, bro, I'm gonna start fucking punching people. This food is so good. I was just like...

Starting point is 00:58:37 And he goes, bro, they've got empanadas. I'll punch you in the face. They were so good. They were so good. They were so good. It's okay. I was sad for you. They didn't have any. So juicy.

Starting point is 00:58:49 Oh, bummer. They were delicious. He's about it. When he likes something, he likes it. But no, Caleb is violently inspirational. Because every time I hang out with him, I'm like, man, I could be doing so much more. Dude, try living with him, dude. Oh, I could imagine.

Starting point is 00:59:03 I feel like I'm failing everything. Yeah, because you're doing so bad at TikTok. Yeah, awesome. Cover of Rolling Stones, right? Cover of? No, dude. You were in Rolling Stones. No, it was just like... Two Australians subscribe to you, right? Two?

Starting point is 00:59:18 Yeah. It was what? Clarify. No, no, it was just like a little thing. It was a little thing. In Rolling Stones. Yeah, but like... Yeah, continue to downplay it. Ever feel like your WordPress site is moving in slow motion? Switch to Kinsta's managed hosting for WordPress and watch it fly. Host your site on Google Cloud's fastest servers

Starting point is 00:59:38 with worldwide data centers so your pages load instantly. Need help? WordPress experts respond in under two minutes and will migrate to your site for free try it yourself first month free at kinsta.com that's k-i-n-s-t-a.com kinsta simply better hosting forms yeah yeah yeah okay so sure i made the 30 under 30 but yeah it's a blurb you know what you're right both of them are violently inspirational because anytime i hang out i'm like there's so much more i could be doing like they're they're so far beyond the game like everyone else i know we

Starting point is 01:00:19 push each other a lot it's it's awesome physically it's yeah mentally physically every morning we wake up that explains the satchel full of herbs you need to walk around with to help strengthen my gait Chris we're going to San Antonio to the Bernie range day carry me

Starting point is 01:00:42 you make her walk it's a long piggyback. He's like the fucking Witcher. He's kept on projecting. He's like a medieval medic. He's like, Wow. You've been shot, here's some ginger.

Starting point is 01:00:58 I'll render aid. He does. Man, you're a bitch under the weather. It's like living with a wizard It's great Wizard making medicine My joke forever is I was curing autism Just so you know Southern American wizards

Starting point is 01:01:16 Are a little different than the Canadian I'm not a wizard I'm an alchemist He's an alchemist You're a grand alchemist. No. No. My ghost costume is leaving this place.

Starting point is 01:01:43 See you on Tuesday night. We would talk about it's just being so thankful to be surrounded by all these individuals as a friend group because it is, no one's failing because we push each other and you feel like such a piece of shit. You see where they're going

Starting point is 01:02:02 and you're like, I gotta do way better in life. You launched where they're going and you're like, I gotta do way better in life. Oh, he launched Candy and now video game. I got shoes. Unsub needs to step it up, guys. I just sell t-shirts. Now you guys are the same way.

Starting point is 01:02:19 It's a privilege to know these two and it's a privilege to know you all as well. Just seeing people excel that far. It's crazy. It's crazy how far you can go with this platform dude you is i feel like it's like we just have so much opportunity in front of us that it's hard to pick a direction and yeah exactly we we see all the different directions you can go and like you guys are breaking the mold i think that's why we focus on that a little bit because like you broke the mold in such a unique way especially like video games and candy it We just sell shirts and all the other shit that we do, like a podcast, whatnot.

Starting point is 01:02:49 It's pretty normal. But you're just finding new and exciting ways to bring your passion into the fold. Yeah, that's definitely the main reason I would do any of that stuff, just because it's all stuff that I really enjoy. But to be fair, we don't have a video game yet. Okay, well, when does it come out video game yet. Okay, well, soon. Wish list. Hopefully. Hopefully before

Starting point is 01:03:09 May. But we'll see. That's pretty close. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But it's not going to launch. You have a video game like this guy. I can play it. There is a demo out right now. There is a demo. But you have a video game. The demo is for the purpose of feedback. I hate this guy.

Starting point is 01:03:25 The demo is for real talk. If I have a gun, but everybody else isn't allowed to shoot my f***ing gun, I've got a gun. I've got a gun. It's called the AK-58. Yeah, it's true. That's fair. That's fair. That's true. Like, real talk, how do you feel about it?

Starting point is 01:03:45 Like, the way that it's going so far, development and whatnot, like, are you happy with it? And, like, you're good with the direction? I love it. Good. Yeah, absolutely. Especially popping the demo out and getting to see people's feedbacks and the—feedbacks. Feedback. Getting to see people's feedback and the things that they are thinking of are the things that we're questioning

Starting point is 01:04:05 as to whether or not, like the negative criticism, are things that we've already got under control to an extent. And then the things that they love are things that we're like, I wonder if this is going to work. So it's cool.

Starting point is 01:04:18 It's really cool seeing the validation from both sides. And then people who know who I am playing it, their feedback versus people who are just on Steam playing it and seeing their feedback. Like, it's really interesting. Overall, I feel no respite. Even releasing the demo, it's just,

Starting point is 01:04:37 making a video game is, I'm not even, what, 10% of it? And it is so much work and preparation and planning, easily the most difficult thing I've ever been involved in by a factor of it. And it is so much work and preparation and planning. Easily the most difficult thing I've ever been involved in by a factor of 10. What is your involvement in your day-to-day as far as the video game stuff? What is it that you're in control of?

Starting point is 01:04:55 So day-to-day, we have director's conversations on a daily basis. On a busy week, let's say. Because some weeks are less busy. I don't know how you keep doing that, by the way. He's in on it, dude. Because I'm a man, Dad. I give you some...

Starting point is 01:05:11 That's what I thought. Just take a nibble. You don't have to put the whole thing in. Graze your teeth on it. It's a tat. Scoutmaster Kevin. No, you didn't. Just a little.

Starting point is 01:05:28 Yeah, like actually. You don't have to, but you can just bite off a tiny bit. Do it. Yeah. I'm way better. Yeah, that's what I do. Whip it. All right, Scoutmaster Kevin.

Starting point is 01:05:35 Put it in. God, sorry. What is it? What is it? A video game. Go ahead. So, stand up. Talk to everybody. see what everybody's going to be working on, figure out. I work as the executive producer.

Starting point is 01:05:52 So, I have a producer that reports to me. And then that, like, basically everything through the week that's done in our sprints, which is, like, basically the goal of the week that everyone keeps track of. And there's cards. We use Jira as our management software to keep track of what's going on. It's these cool little cards. It's really interesting. And at the end of the week, all the decisions, everything that's going in the game, I'm sort of going through making sure that it's fitting our vision.

Starting point is 01:06:24 And then throughout the week, we'll have meetings just kind of formulating different things, putting more thought into certain things, talking with tech, what do we need? You know, how do we need more time? How does this feel? What are what bugs are we looking at? Because because if you think about a game, it's there's art, design and tech. And the tech part of it is probably the biggest part but without because you have to build your systems to be able to even design anything and you have to be able to build

Starting point is 01:06:52 your systems before you can even put art in. So it's like, it's really easy to get blocked and like if one team is doing something, chances are another team can't do anything because they haven't finished what they're doing yet. So like figuring out how to solve those problems which are just forever problems that you can't solve. Logistics.

Starting point is 01:07:10 Logistically, yeah. It really is a logistical nightmare making a video game. It really is. Because I saw some of that stuff when S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 released recently, where people are falling out of the map. They're having game-breaking bugs a little bit. From what I hear, it's a great game. I played like probably two,

Starting point is 01:07:26 three hours of it so far, but like they're, they're getting to places where the devs are now trying to patch things where they're like, there's 80 different ways, 80,000 different ways to approach this problem. Absolutely. And five of them have you falling out of the universe forever.

Starting point is 01:07:38 So it's like, fuck, we need to figure out how to solve these. Yeah. It's, it's, I have a new respect for, uh,

Starting point is 01:07:47 games because even if your game is good and your tech is good and your systems are good is the engine good you know does the engine need to be patched because that's a huge thing as well um like are you are you stable are is your all the 50 systems that are a part of you walking a quarter mile on the map and picking stuff up and just playing, you know, a normal, simple ass game. Are all those 50 systems all working together? Do they work together the same way each time? Is the game laggy when you work one way? Is it performant in that?

Starting point is 01:08:18 Like there is an unlimited amount of problems that you always have to solve. We had to figure that out with Pepperbox. Cause like we found out there was a, there was a glitch at one point where it's like all right we have an iphone open with the pepperbox app it's that shit we leave it until the iphone goes to hibernate and we open it up and now it's blacked out like the screen's black like there's so many little bugs that you're like why the f**k would you ever do that i don't know but somebody will absolutely and that's a big we i'm assuming you have a very kind audience too where they are we are blessed with the pepperbox and all y'all because it is, hey, this is broken.

Starting point is 01:08:47 Or, hey, we have this issue. And we'll fix it within a week. But we are very big on, it's like, hey, what do you want to see implemented in this? Absolutely. And then every month we try to update. And it's like, hey, we listen to y'all. Here you go. What do you think?

Starting point is 01:09:00 Okay, thumbs up. Now, what is your level of, like, doing what you're doing? How much respect do you have, like, for Hideo Kojima where you see oh i mean that dude level yeah it's on another level yeah i need the engine i'm gonna learn coding i'm gonna learn music i wanted to do this i'll learn it and make the game do that during metal gear solid and yeah that's um that is the biggest thing is is like how humbling all this stuff is um and then how many challenges there are too because it's like you can't you can't do that And then how many challenges there are too. Because it's like, you can do that. You can learn, like if there's a tech system,

Starting point is 01:09:27 I can learn how it works and then potentially lend help to that. Some things are just so complicated, it would take years to learn, obviously. But with the way things work now, most stuff is not overtly complicated. So people like that are humbling. And just in general, like your your average designer like there's so much

Starting point is 01:09:46 work that goes into video games it's insane yeah I mean I the Herculean effort that Red Dead Redemption 2 was to make how good it was on from the user experience I just can't like the devs have to like I mean that you could die after that

Starting point is 01:10:02 the legacy being able to contribute to that is insane how much meaning and like entertaining to build so many layers of like foundation yeah and before you even touch story right now characters actors art design you gotta have the game but then you build the whole game and then we get to that then you build all that and it it's like a an orchestra it all comes together in such a moment to where Arthur, spoilers, Arthur dies on the rock as May I Stand

Starting point is 01:10:29 Unshaken plays, comes over the mountain. It's like the number of people who put their souls into it to make that happen for the player. It's overwhelming. Unless you got the other ending. Yeah. You played low honor? No, I had the good one.

Starting point is 01:10:43 I texted her and I was like, I didn't know. I got good. Then I was like, No, I had the good one. That's why. I texted her and I was like, because I didn't know. I got good. And then I was like, oh, what's the other ending? I was like, oh, God. Oh, yeah. He gets brained. You're like, do you have the elk or the wolf? That's what King Trav was saying.

Starting point is 01:11:02 Do you have the elk or the wolf? Do you see a deer? Okay, you're all right. Do that level of just like music. And then it is on that next level of game development. It's like, hey, we'll do hunting creatures and cooking. They did go a little far in a couple places. It's like, I shouldn't have to scrub my left arm and then my right arm.

Starting point is 01:11:21 Like certain times, it's like, all right, you're going a little fucking far here. They were bold with that stuff. Because all that's a choice yeah like they know you get fat or skinny or just average they know that if people are going to probably play it more and they're it's going to be more broadly appealing if those things are simpler and people will be less frustrated and they'll be less bored because like all this stuff's like there's i mean there's it would be foolish to assume there's not uh you know millions upon millions of dollars into researching the player's attention and how it folds through the game like as people play you go into a boredom zone and then you pull them out of the boredom zone and then you challenge

Starting point is 01:11:58 them and then you get them bored again and you check like that's how games work um to be able to do stuff like what you're talking about and you still beat the game in spite of that yeah it's so like i just i would love to talk to those people and just learn about that because rockstar doesn't miss there it's crazy and it's like well if we have another red dead game it's probably going to come out like by the time my kids are three but like take your time take your time. If that's the product you make, take as long as you need. Those are the right developers too. When you see that,

Starting point is 01:12:30 like it's why I do, I'll praise Kojima. If you read about Kojima's childhood and then how he got into the space of gaming and the only reason he worked with Konami, he was like, oh, well,

Starting point is 01:12:41 I didn't want to disappoint my mom. My family was big into movies and cinemas. My dad died when I was young. So we'd still, but as a family, we'd watch movies every once a week or we'd watch it multiple times a week, but go to the theater. Dad died. Mom was like, hey, make sure you continue this like for your dad. He went to Konami because it was the only company at the time that had publicly traded. And that's what they like for honor it was like

Starting point is 01:13:05 oh this will make my parents proud my mom proud so i'll do this and then i'll start this little crazy thing metal gear and i'll start developing and i'll work for i forget the first game and then he was uh underneath somebody and then it's like i want to add this well you can't do that why well they don't have that coded okay did what you did just learn coding it's like there now we have sneaking mechanics and they're like what and I didn't know how far he went like outside the box on certain things until I saw some breakdowns because I never played the Metal Gear games but like why I went to war and have PTSD well that that is such a funny takeaway know dude I have that to get to the end and be like military good good

Starting point is 01:13:46 I am a tool it's the worst take away you finish Metal Gear 3 and you're like and he did a good thing shooting her right traitor god but like the mind reading where it's like they would read your memory

Starting point is 01:14:06 card to know what like other games you've played that's fucking wild for the time that's like you know a little invasive but in the same conversation as those people it's just not even like that's just hideo kojima is like a he's like a god

Starting point is 01:14:22 essentially a deity in the gaming world. So it's a different thing. And it all came from like I just like movies. And then he's just hyper-focused on video game development, story writing. And he continues. And now I love – he's a rock star of the video. Like there is no other video, maybe like three directors in the video game space that their names are known. And then he is one of them. He sits at the video. There's no other video maybe like three directors in the video game space that

Starting point is 01:14:45 their names are known and then he is one of them. He sits at the top like movie. I don't think there's anybody that has a there's studios but there's no singular person that has a bigger name than him. I don't think I've ever played in a studio. Hideo Kojima. No, no, no. The only

Starting point is 01:15:01 other guy is a guy who is not known for being awesome. He not known for being awesome. He's known for being cool. Caleb's favorite person in the world. Todd Howard. Oh, well. We've got to toss his name into the hat. He is known quite well, but... He has a cardboard cutout of Todd Howard.

Starting point is 01:15:16 I have a cardboard cutout of Todd Howard. It scares me every day. He hasn't... Yeah, yeah. He's... He's a... Let him watch. He's a... Oh, watch. Oh, God.

Starting point is 01:15:26 Stop nodding to that. You just turned Todd Howard around. Yeah. Can we leave Todd in the gun closet? Yeah. Todd Howard. I love Todd. Apparently!

Starting point is 01:15:43 Yeah, he's pretty cool. Every time anyone goes into my garage, they're like, Oh! He's in the garage. Am I making you proud, Todd? He's in the garage. He's in the garage and there's like a window into the garage, into his office, and you can just see Todd through his office window.

Starting point is 01:15:58 It's really funny because you can just slowly shut the blinds. Todd has his hand up. Caleb's like, it's not funny. He's my mentor. You guys don't get it. We talk a lot. No, he's a bit of a goober, right?

Starting point is 01:16:18 It's more of a joke. It's in jest. I do love them. I love, obviously, all the Elder Scrolls games, but they are good because they're kind of poopy a little bit. They're good because you can just break them and there's chaos. They're not good because it's this insanely

Starting point is 01:16:32 hyper polished story that's so beautiful. They're good because it's a sandbox and you can just be the person you want to be. The bugs are kind of the future. Exactly. Yeah. First microtransactions. Really? Horse Armor. Oh, no shit.

Starting point is 01:16:46 The Horse Armor in Skyrim. I think we were talking about this a couple days ago. Or Blood and In. Yeah, Blood and In. It was literally the first game to have microtransactions. Oh, a forerunner. So he f***ed up the entire experience. Legendary!

Starting point is 01:16:56 Thank you, Todd! Yeah, as a game developer, thank God! Thank you, Todd. Yeah. Going to charge $40 for the RV skins and black pine. I'm going to bring what I've learned from YouTube right into the video game industry. In Todd, we trust.

Starting point is 01:17:12 I'm going to let people super chat in the game. You're going to be able to give me super chats in the game. It's just rude. There's a doctor disrespect joke. I'm not going to make it. Yeah. There's a doctor disrespect joke. I'm not going to make it. Yeah, but it's been extremely humbling, though. I have nothing but respect for people in the world.

Starting point is 01:17:34 And, you know, hopefully we can make something fun. Dude, I can't wait. He works at it literally 24-7. Even when we go to sit down and watch movies, he'll have his laptop and his little cushion laptop holder thing. My Zen cushion. He'll be working on how to develop, like do something to put into the game,

Starting point is 01:17:55 like in terms of whether it's coding or whether it's actually making the little guy move. It's pretty fun to watch. It's a shout-out to everyone at everyone at the table or anyone that's succeeding. It is. For everyone back there, you don't realize how much effort and work people put into each little project from YouTube to reviews to, hey, I want to do this new venture. Yet, like, as you're saying, that's what you're like, man, it's awesome to see my spouse. Like, he's fucking crushing it every minute.

Starting point is 01:18:24 And it is like 10 12 at night it doesn't matter midnight he's still working absolutely yesterday we were still like the bar at the range day i have text from he's like hey we got to meet this guy for a business talk we walk into the woods good business literally just walked into the woods had a conversation awesome and in the evening you're like hey we got this bar sidebars everyone's like doing business and figuring stuff out. Same for you. It's like, and it's like, everything's so awesome to see.

Starting point is 01:18:50 And the people out there, I wish that's always the takeaway. It's like, if you think the guys, it's like, it's an easy life. The level of work everyone does is sitting at this table is you only see like 1% of it. And then it is till two in the morning. You you're filming your videos at somebody else's studio or you're like hey I'm on vacation still doing a video

Starting point is 01:19:11 I think it's nice to have a choice too you can rest on your laurels if you want we all have a pretty good life you can't really bitch about it but if you want to do more we're lucky enough to be in a position where if we want to work harder that work will go towards something.

Starting point is 01:19:27 Yes. Yeah. That's why me and Jay Wolfer at IHOP at 4 a.m. We were working very hard. To stay awake. Honestly, I was trying not to get kicked out of IHOP. Oh, yeah. So you have a story with Leon, I believe.

Starting point is 01:19:42 Bro. Wait, what? I found this in the back seat you did not what is it oh no a meat stick oh christ bro the audience right now is like what what what what leon lush i don't know we're fucked up at ihop at 4 a.m and he's like dude i was so hung over today i thought i died and. And he's like, I got off the plane and it was like 2 and my hotel wasn't open yet. And rather than texting any of my 50 friends in town, I decided to go to Topgolf by myself and drink four IPAs. At 2?

Starting point is 01:20:17 At 2 p.m. Oh. This is not yesterday, but day before. Day before range day. So he's at Topgolf drinking IPAs by himself. And he goes to the hotel room, drops off his bag, and then goes to the hotel bar and apparently meets a large Samoan man. And they shared, I believe he said 19 Modellos between the two of them. And then he went to the pre-range party at that place we go.

Starting point is 01:20:41 And apparently he got also very drunk there. And he's like, I don't really know what happened. I just remember it was 3 in the morning and they asked me to leave. And then they locked the door and I couldn't get an Uber to pick me up. Because this is pretty far out of the city. And I was just standing there cold in a t-shirt in 30 degree weather. But it's fine. He's a big guy.

Starting point is 01:21:03 He didn't call any of us? No. He eventually got a Lyft to come pick him up. And drove him back to the hotel room. in 30 degree weather, but you know, it's fine. He's big guy. No, yeah, no, just, he eventually got like a lift to come pick him up and drove him back to the hotel room. Just completely fucking smashed. And, uh, he's like,

Starting point is 01:21:14 and then I just, I went up to the, the little counter and I bought a slim gym and ate it to not be hung over the next day and went to bed. Like, hangover cure. One, die. Yes, the hangover cure. One sleep. 19 grams, 19 grams of protein and 1200 milligrams of salt.

Starting point is 01:21:34 That's going to help hydrate. He said he was so f***ed up, he woke up at seven in a panic because he thought he slept through range day. Stumbled out of his hotel room wearing a dirty t-shirt and his boxers and ate the continental breakfast in his boxers in the hotel room

Starting point is 01:21:54 oh my gosh I love that guy he's crazy God chooses unconventional warriors sometimes. An unconventional warrior means it's unconventional warrior. And my God, do we have special forces? I just picture him talking to the host.

Starting point is 01:22:18 I don't want to be hung over tomorrow. Yeah. Gah! He walks out. That'll do it. We're good now. but you said you were trying not to get arrested last we were fucking a lot we were obnoxious and i hopped hell we were laughing so hard drunk at that leon explaining that story that was last night at 4 a.m i will say nick is the dude that wakes up before everyone and today it was like i got a text from you it's like 9 15 you're like i'm up i'm like huh this explains it way

Starting point is 01:22:52 better oh yeah no i we were i didn't go to bed till like five nick loves breakfast food by the way it's awesome it's good it's breakfast what what do you want from me nothing he's drunk we went to ihop okay i'm innocent i've got I've got J-Wolf here is nothing good happens after midnight and the bar closed every time it's me and J-Wolf close down the bar at the post range day party and then we go to IHOP the last like three range days in a row and I don't mind closing down the bar and being drunk because like I have J-Wolf like what's the that motherfucker will tuck me in like I don't care J-Wolf is seven foot one by the way that motherfucker will tuck me in. Like, I don't care. Jerry Wolf is seven foot one, by the way.

Starting point is 01:23:27 That's crazy. I was, I was looking at him like getting drinks. I was like, he's taller than the fridge. I know. Come on, Joel.

Starting point is 01:23:35 That's what I like about it. They're just going to see a shadow fall over the group. It's like Hagrid. Harry Potter. Wow. Jesus Christ. Wow. Good. Chris, get in there. the group makes me taller only do not give hugs and I feel guy there was one time I remember I think it was a shot show of like 2021 maybe 2022

Starting point is 01:24:12 so every place in Vegas serves alcohol like pretty much everywhere we went to the IHOP or the Denny's right next to the Venetian and it was like me, you, Caleb Francis, Cody, like just everybody together. And we are like, that was the closest I think I've ever been to pissing

Starting point is 01:24:34 myself in public. I was laughing my ass off. Do you know Caleb Francis? So hard. Yeah. Yeah. Caleb, great guy, right? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:41 Also amazing when you get him shit wrecked. One of the most organically funny people I know. He's very funny, yeah. Just hysterical. You couldn't even begin to describe. He's just giving commercials for them. He's just doing Caleb. Threatening to beat people's kids with a baseball bat.

Starting point is 01:25:00 Well, it's an identity. He's a kid of your kids. But he's the Jolly Green Giant, so everybody's like, all right. I'm actually concerned that Caleb might be my guardian angel. Really? Every time I get shit wrecked, like overly drunk, like I wake up and I was like, I went too hard. This was a mistake.

Starting point is 01:25:22 Within 45 minutes, Caleb Francis apparates out of nowhere with fucking breakfast burritos. It happened at RangeNet. Is the mysterious stranger perk? I swear to God, 100%. I'm glad you got that. Hold on, pause. He just texted me this. God sent you to text me?

Starting point is 01:25:41 What is that? Party foul. Last night, may I have a thing? Last night, I had two sandwiches. There's no f***ing way. That's me? What is that? Party foul. Move. Last night, may I have a thing? Last night, I had two sandwiches. I was like, I didn't drink that much. I was like, I don't want to get drunk. I hate hangovers, and I'm 40.

Starting point is 01:25:58 So, Caleb, I walk outside. As Caleb's going inside, I'm like, hey, do you want this? He's stumbling. I was like, hey, do you want this? He's like, whose is it? I was like, it's mine. Would you like some food? What is it? It's a sandwich. She's like, yes He takes a bite he's like He hugs me and then he texts me he's like God sent me an angel. That's why I was like, holy shit. That was the exact same thing. I pulled up to range day and like,

Starting point is 01:26:29 I pull up and then I like, only person I see is Caleb with his truck in the tailgate down. And I'm not shitting you four grocery bags full of breakfast burritos. And he's like, you want some breakfast burritos are really good. They're from Maria's tacos. It's like really, but really probably the best breakfast burrito I've ever had in my life

Starting point is 01:26:47 I just picture that shitty meme format just Caleb Francis standing over you get us hey you want some breakfast burritos they're real good God sends his drunkest angels to his hungriest soldiers wow Psalms 23

Starting point is 01:27:03 that's a quote. Now, Miss Chris, we talked, I think, last night. I'm loving your content. She has made the rotation of, I'm going to bed. We'll put on Creepcast. We'll put on Oopa. We'll put on me. We'll put on none of my friends here. I hang outopa. We'll put on me. We'll put on like none of my friends here.

Starting point is 01:27:26 I hang out with them too much. And now you're in that rotation. You are fucking killing the game. Thank you. You've done in the past, but now you're just like reinvigorated with it. Yeah. I just, I really like the deep dive content. Honestly, I just like it a lot more.

Starting point is 01:27:39 And he was the one that motivated me to do it. I was like, cause I was mostly doing just like bullshit. I mean like entertainment because I was mostly doing just like bullshit. I mean, like entertainment stuff, like comedy, but I can mix that into the... Do you know how much it hurts when you beat all of us numbers-wise? I mean, you call it bullshit. That's, uh... I guess it's just like that.

Starting point is 01:27:59 I will cry myself to sleep. That's fine. Not that you need to educate people for it not to be bullshit, but I feel like I get to learn stuff, so it feels more meaningful for me to do it. So, yeah. Yeah, sorry. Didn't mean that like that. Because I think last time you were on the podcast, though, I think we were... Yeah, I know she meant it.

Starting point is 01:28:16 She meant it. I think last time we were on, you were talking about how much you were hoping to expand into your long form stuff yeah and i'm glad to see it's going well yes yeah it's been going really well it's been going really well and i've been doing um like more traditional stuff too with um i shot a movie in july and we did post-production and we did post-production in like two and a half months and then we

Starting point is 01:28:41 all right that's really fast yeah it is way too fast sorry how long is the runtime 77 minutes oh shit that's really it's a feature it's a feature yeah so we and we did it all ourselves and then we went on tour with it um we did like six screenings around the states and then uh yeah it got really good response and now we're just in the distribution phase of it so hopefully it'll be distributed soon i'm'm really irritated by people that go through all that effort to make a movie and then go on tour with it to several places. It's just really I know, right?

Starting point is 01:29:12 It's a lame kind of thing to do, man. Taking a podcast, maybe. Yeah, with several faces. It's the gayest thing possible. It's awful. It's terrible. Two and a half month turnaround is crazy. Movies are an endeavor.

Starting point is 01:29:27 I don't think people realize that level of endeavor. Because when you're like, oh, we'll just do quick skits or funny. Insert. When you're scripting, shot listing, box doing. It is time. You're looking at a good day, maybe six pages. Three to six. The nice thing with what I did and what, why it went so fast or why we could do it so fast.

Starting point is 01:29:50 And this is the reason why I wanted to do it. It was because it was found footage and I wrote it. I wrote it, um, about around this time last year. And then we kind of kept, uh, sorry.

Starting point is 01:30:00 What's it called? It's called house on Eden. Yeah. I have a, I have a trailer for it on my, on my YouTube. It's called Billy goat Eden. Yeah. I have a trailer for it on my YouTube. It's called Billy Goat Bow Hunt. Look up that.

Starting point is 01:30:09 She lied. We'll just put that up now. Chase, put that up in the trailer. Oh, sorry. Me. You were showing that. That's just a really fun video. That was an intrusive thought.

Starting point is 01:30:20 Chase, pull that down. You should look that up. I feel like it's almost harder like to not come off like cringe like it's kind of yeah it was yeah so that was the uh but the whole thing with me not wanting it to be cringe and with it i was i was the writer and director and one of the main cast members as well and producer i just wanted to wear all the hats and just see um but i didn't write a concrete script i just wrote beats kind of like how Blair Witch did. They just wrote, okay, this needs to go to this place. This needs to go to this place. Do that. So we just took like a bunch of takes, tried to be as organic as possible,

Starting point is 01:30:54 knowing where it would go. Yeah. And I feel like as a creator, you already know those beats. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So I wrote a whole, like I wrote it all out and we, I mean, had discussions between, it was just me and two other people basically um and then we would wake up and then we would uh we would shoot usually all afternoon all night and then we wake up the next morning cut whatever we shot this so we shot it in seven days so we cut it and shot it in seven days is it all one location no it's multiple locations that's harder too yeah yeah it was multiple locations. Oh, that's harder, too. Yeah, it was multiple locations, too. Riding on the fly when you have beats. Sal Gladiator was done. Most people don't know.

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Starting point is 01:32:19 please contact ConnexOntario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge but mgm operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming ontario yeah gladiator was a completely different script and how it was written everything was done they changed it on the fly yeah interesting yeah it's wild when you find it like gladiator the first one yes like when they're whittling those little uh the figures and he bears him at the end he's like that was oh oh we can close it out with that everything was done on the fly like they had two storylines and like and then they went in and done everything else on the fly yeah yeah it's not the gladiator it's not gladiator by any means but some inspiration

Starting point is 01:33:02 from stuff like that like i was just like i I knew how it would end. I had like a few different endings and we kind of just, we had a couple different ones and we went with a specific one after we cut it and edited it. And we sent it off to like, we did a lot of practical effects. It's horror. But some BFX, so once it came back. But you did practical.

Starting point is 01:33:20 Oh yeah, I love practical. We had some really cool prosthetics. The thing? But Creature Kid made us some prosthetics. So cool. So weure Kid made us some prosthetics. So cool. So we so far compared it to John Carpenter, Gladiator. Like, dude, she's the least amount of guy I need. You're the least amount of guy I need.

Starting point is 01:33:36 That is. It's not that good. There's a big worm. She said it on the record. It's that good. There's a big worm in it. There's a big worm. And Timothy Chalamet.

Starting point is 01:33:46 Four Oscars? Yeah, I think so. I hosted the party. I've known both of you for a while, but I had no idea all the shit that you guys were into. I can probably say you're the most creative couple I've ever ran into.

Starting point is 01:34:01 You know how when two ugly people have a really hot kid? Your kid's going to be like an accountant. He's still going to create. That's the only way this is going to work. It'll be the next president of the world. What is the average day? I just imagine you two wake up.

Starting point is 01:34:17 Your kids are going to suck, by the way. You guys are awesome. Don't reproduce. Which one's his follow up to you ever see a really hot kid I know I was like where is this going that's the doctor disrespecting her son

Starting point is 01:34:31 Jesus Christ he's learning social skills today he's in his ABA class I'm not the worst this time I want to see the movie so bad but you wouldn't let me watch it early. So I guess I have to wait. I will not watch it in front of you, dude. So is it finished now?

Starting point is 01:34:52 Yeah, yeah. It's fully finished. How are you planning to distribute it? So right now we're talking to a couple different distributors. One is Shudder, if you know what Shudder is. So they're wanting to buy it. But all of them are really predatory. So there's a chance I might just self-distribute it. Not to YouTube, but maybe in like, you know.

Starting point is 01:35:11 Kind of like Andrew Schultz did with his one comedy special. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Potentially. It'd be cool to have it live on a streaming service or something, but we'll see. Rockagem, I can put you in contact with. They're doing that that again they just did that and they're about to do it again Freddy Wong, the old YouTube people back in the day he's still doing it, he's doing an action kung fu flick right now, I'm super excited

Starting point is 01:35:34 because Freddy is now 40 but he's finally doing a Jackie Chan role and he's doing all the stunts and he's actually training training for it, I'm like oh this is awesome but if you need help with that they just did it again they have that world down

Starting point is 01:35:50 to because predatory agencies are great thank god for lawyers but still it's also something like you've poured so much time and effort into it it's like I want it to be able to be seen by the casual audience exactly like I want somebody to be able to fire up their f***ing you know Roku and yeah I want it to be accessible so the casual audience exactly like i want somebody to be able to fire up their you know roku and yeah i wanted to be accessible yeah like so that would that would be ideal but

Starting point is 01:36:09 at the end of the day i really just wanted to see if i could just make a movie and i didn't i'm like are you happy with it cool yeah i mean i've seen it a thousand times i hate that movie now i hate it no seriously like yeah i can't and watching yourself like i i can't watch my own youtube videos let alone every take of me for 77 minutes. My favorite thing to do is be at a party and put up one of his videos. Oh, it's awful. Oh, I hate you.

Starting point is 01:36:31 It's awful. I hate you for it every time. I saw this really cool Nick video. Yeah. Well, it was different when I was, like, new to the friend group and not very big yet, and you were just like, oh, you don't know Fat Electrician? Here, let me play his greatest hits on fucking repeat. I have a video of you in Utah.

Starting point is 01:36:45 Yeah, I remember. It was just like him on the smart TV, like, his, greatest hits on fucking repeat. I have a video of you in Utah. Yeah, I remember. Him on the smart TV, like his most recent video. Because I like your content. You make good stuff. But he's just sitting there like in a chair on the left side. Don't wake me. Yeah, I can't stand hearing my own voice. No.

Starting point is 01:37:01 Does anyone watch your own content? No. I do. No. I mean, I watch it before it goes out. I swear, I'm not kidding. I watch it. I'll watch it back.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Yeah. We watch it back. Yeah. No, like, I mean, like, I will be, like, idle, and then, like, oh, here's a video I did from a year ago. How did I sound then? What was that like? Oh, that's fair.

Starting point is 01:37:20 I don't do that. That's fair, yeah. It's too critical. I would never do that. See, it's the weird flip flip because I will never read comments but I will listen to myself and analyze my own stuff. You know better than everyone else. Yeah, I was going to say, there's some psychological thing

Starting point is 01:37:32 that's... Do you masturbate? In the mirror? In general? Are you the subject? Only if I'm crying. Got it. I'll watch my stuff in a critical mind where I'm like, what it I'll watch my stuff like

Starting point is 01:37:45 in a critical mind where I'm like alright what did I fuck up and what could I do better I hate watching it in front of people yes

Starting point is 01:37:51 which is why it's very funny to me but I hate this Nick suck yeah you know what I don't like

Starting point is 01:37:59 this I should do it to other people yeah exactly yeah you know it's awful like being in a theater of people and me being in the middle of the theater, watching myself, I'm like, I want to leave so bad, but I needed to hear the reactions because I needed to

Starting point is 01:38:11 know what they thought of the movie. At least you're not in a social setting. Like at least you're not like in a living room. Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, I couldn't stand, but it's still, yeah, it was, it was still very strange. And I'm also like, it's funny cause i'm me in the movie but i'm also not like i i am acting in the movie and i'm just not myself in like the worst way so like maybe people are like will think i'm like this i don't want to give too much you're still playing a character

Starting point is 01:38:35 yes exactly but it'll be hard for because i wanted it to transition from seems like a youtube video but goes completely haywire and it's clearly a movie. So I wanted to break that so people will be fully in it, especially my audience. But then people who are watching it that don't know who I am will still. That hasn't really been done that much. Is that one of those for me? That concept, I'm not sure if that's ever really been. That's a really good concept. Thanks. Thanks. I was like, this could shoot me in the back, but I don't know. We'll see. I'm not sure if that's ever been that's a really good concept thanks thanks

Starting point is 01:39:05 I was like this could shoot me in the back but I don't know we'll see good fucking concept how was it for you like in your theater tour where because I know you weren't as heavily involved like you were in the movie for like maybe 20 seconds yeah I was I wrote it I co-wrote it with Evan so I was watching the

Starting point is 01:39:22 reactions I guess I loved it because all the time I would I loved it because the whole time I would like sit in the back because each show it was like oh you can go to the green room it's like no

Starting point is 01:39:29 and I would like sit in the back of the theater and when like big moments would happen I would like watch people like the scene the movie's out now

Starting point is 01:39:36 the hive reveal the tendrils down and stuff every theater I'd be like okay what's everyone going to do and at every theater people were like

Starting point is 01:39:42 and I was like yes yeah that's awesome that's a cool feeling that is a cool feeling how long did that CGI shot take I'd be like okay, what's everyone gonna do and at every theater people like and I was like yes That's a cool feeling that is a cool feeling how long did that CGI shot date guys gosh? Oh my gosh, dude That was the cum shot of the movie. Okay, so That's Thank you. That's good. I like it That was one of our first things we came up with all it's like we need a we need an indie vent

Starting point is 01:40:04 We need a place that this map ends at. So that was kind of our monster. And we knew it was going to be like a special effects. So I was like nervous about it the whole time. Our special effects guy, Majid, like took budget cuts, worked way longer than he should have. He really came through for us. He worked on that shot alone for at least a couple months built the whole thing out inside of a render uh like a render farm and then uh he took people's heads modeled i'm actually one

Starting point is 01:40:33 of the heads i think that was modeled and like no shit yeah like did a bunch of different heads on it and then had it move like tendrils coming down that the bottom of it's the pilot who was hooked up into it and his skeletons in there because he's been rotting away. But the machine's still on and stuff. It took months to build that out. But, oh, my gosh, I was so happy with how it looked in the end. It was so well done. I would love to put this praise on your movie, but you haven't let us see it yet.

Starting point is 01:40:55 Yeah, me too. Let's play it right now. Chase, pull it up. Just kidding. No, no thanks. Long podcast. 77 minutes. This is great. We love it.

Starting point is 01:41:04 I'll give you the CPI I think that's called a copyright claim yeah she's like my podcast now

Starting point is 01:41:11 we posted it first YouTube thinks we own it there you go she was telling me something about the script again I still

Starting point is 01:41:20 haven't seen the movie but she was telling me something about the script just like some of the character arcs themes she's working with and stuff like that. And I'm stoked to see it because it's very creative.

Starting point is 01:41:28 It's very cool. Like she didn't, the movie is not just about the concept she mentioned. The concept she mentioned is the framework for a very interesting story. With like cool themes that pull from a lot of different aspects of like horror culture and stuff. So everything she's told me about is spectacular. Appreciate it, man.

Starting point is 01:41:46 This is the only frame I'll be nice to you. I was like, this is happening. I'm glad it's recording. No, I appreciate that. TikTok crushed it. She's a great director. Good job, TikTok. She's alright.

Starting point is 01:42:00 It's basically just a nod to all my favorite horror movies, too. It's nothing new, necessarily. I need a top three but oh top three horror yeah oh i have no idea but also i'll say the horror movies that like it gives nods to there's like 15 but a couple of them are um like hereditary um uh the thing with like the prosthetic stuff and probably maybe shot wise the shining or mid summer I said Billy Goat Bohunt

Starting point is 01:42:33 he says all these things and he said Billy Goat Bohunt you're so disappointed here I'm sorry I can't tell a lie sorry babe i said the thing she's got excellent taste in in movies and film dude those three are like except if you're watching hereditary one of the most terrifying mind fucks of the movie in the last ever period yeah that was one of the only movies i think i've ever like as an adult said like out loud like oh fuck yeah and during the moment

Starting point is 01:43:05 that's it yeah and yeah so and that's all like either it's like a shot either it's a a line delivery or like so it's all just there's a little easter eggs through it and then it's all based off of like loose um like biblical folklore or Jewish folklore that's like it's yeah there's a lot of lore to it as well I'm just looking at how autistic everyone at the table is. Like you are balancing that eight, six round in between your little phone holder. You are under the tip. Don't even pretend like you weren't doing it.

Starting point is 01:43:35 Had the little fucking spike from your Starbucks cup that you are currently putting through your wedding band. Playing with like, shut up. We're in good company. Good company. Table puzzle pieces. Yeah. for your wedding band. Shut up! We're in good company. Good company. Table puzzle pieces. I'm lining my drinks up

Starting point is 01:43:53 per usual. This is out of order. This will always be on the straight line, by the way. That is so symmetrical. I will always have it on the fucking straight line. Why are we broken? We're in good company right now.

Starting point is 01:44:07 That's fine. Dude, that is amazing. Again, fucking... Yeah, no, it's fine. Congrats to that. When does it come out? I don't know yet. How long do you think the contracts are going to take

Starting point is 01:44:20 or do you have a time frame at all? Well, if I do it myself, weeks from now. Weeks from now, probably. Because I want it out as soon as possible because i'm tired of waiting like that's a struggle with youtube is that we can make something and then post it like the next day whereas the movie it's like if i go with shutter then they're like oh we can like put it in festivals and then it can come out in like the spring and i'm like that sucks like just get it out now the festival things yeah that seems just kind of weird for me it wouldn't

Starting point is 01:44:46 it's kind of i mean it's i get it but since i have an audience already it doesn't for sure necessarily make sense so yeah if you're like an independent studio or something but for you you already have so many people willing to watch exactly exactly so we'll see we'll see keep you posted keep you posted i'm excited i'm excited for that thanks man with your new content what is one of the most fucked up stories where you're like what the ever living because you're going like green river killer lately you're doing like yeah the top female serial killers like yeah all these deep and i've been like i went to uh the one semester of community college i did was at green river community college oh really yeah interesting interesting so i knew all that laura's like oh I did was at Green River Community College. Oh, really? Yeah. Really? Interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:25 Interesting. So I knew all that, Laura. I was like, oh, that's right there. I mean, it's all fucked up. But I'd say one that, or I was just talking to Isaiah about this last night, is one of the most recent ones, the JonBenet one. It's like the ones where- I don't know that one. I haven't watched that one.

Starting point is 01:45:40 There's so much controversy around it and so much conspiracy, but it's so obvious. He doesn't know that one. Yeah, that's interesting. Do you know JonBenét Ramsey? Yes. The little, yeah. 1996. That plagued my childhood.

Starting point is 01:45:52 Yeah, 1996. I have no idea. Little girl. You were just- Break it down for us, call me Chris. 1996. Yeah, that was like, I was a year old. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:59 So, everyone here was, God, I'm old. So, it was God, I'm old. So it was 1996, December. There's very affluent family in California. Uh, they had a daughter, very, very,

Starting point is 01:46:16 uh, uh, very beautiful little girl who was in pageants and everything. And, uh, again, very affluent family. And then one day,

Starting point is 01:46:24 uh, she got, one day uh she got or sorry she got kidnapped and then um the the parents were looking for her and then she ended up getting found in her home when the police came over because there was a ransom note left by the people that kidnapped her and then they ended up finding the little girl in the parents basement killed um so it was all like did the kidnappers kill him and did they write the ransom note but then the ransom note was written on the mother's uh notebook with with her pen with very similar writing to the mom's handwriting and so it's like a darker balloon boy kind of thing it's yeah it's crazy and i the amount, like the amount of ransom, which was $118,000 was the bonus that

Starting point is 01:47:07 the husband had got like a month earlier. Like it's all very strange. And then she has a brother who had outbursts and he was like the last one. So there's a bunch of conspiracy. Nobody ever got charged for it is the point. So the family never got charged. Nobody got charged for it. So there is a dead child. There's a dead child. Nobody got the family never got charged nobody got charged so there is a dead

Starting point is 01:47:25 child there's a dead child nobody got charged well there was never i'm sorry no yeah yeah yeah no no no you can there was never oh my god a crossover episode yeah yeah all of this came like out over the course of a long period of time because initially it was police get a phone call parents freaked out our daughter's been kidnapped, here's a ransom note, they start an investigation. In the basement of the house, the police find a locked door. No, the dad found it. Yeah, sorry, the dad found a locked door.

Starting point is 01:47:56 They open up the door, daughter's been tied up and killed. The dad finds the daughter and picks her up and brings her upstairs. So he taints the whole yes correct yeah that's finds a locked door so yeah so the the basement door was locked from the inside there's no other way to get into that basement besides this one window that has been broken but that window was broken weeks and weeks before which the dad knew about but the window weeks before this all happened okay which he told the police about but also the window had like cob webs all over it and dust all over it so if there was somebody a kidnapper that came in that would have been not would disturb it the the idea is yeah at least initially that a killer kidnapped

Starting point is 01:48:37 the girl either like was going to tie her up or get her back later at some point the girl accidentally died killer panics leaves the body in the basement locks the door behind him crawls out the window there's like footsteps leading away too right there was a suitcase no there was no there wasn't any footsteps i i mean i mean not to say the person who might have done it oh yeah it was like posed yes right that was the idea yeah yeah yeah and then there was a suitcase under the window to make it look like somebody got stepped up yeah and this is just for reference this is like national news like 11 year old netflix documentary just came out about it again like there's been so many documentaries about it

Starting point is 01:49:14 not this is just based off of when i was growing up i can remember yeah picture of the window newspapers everything this is like everyone knew it so This is the first time I've ever heard of that. So officially, the narrative was, okay, this girl's been kidnapped. We have to find who, or was an attempted kidnapping. We have to find who killed her. And then information starts getting kind of wonky and investigators kind of start looking towards the family and stuff. But there's never enough to make that, to publicly make that assumption, right? It's always just kind of fishy, the details around it. So no one ever got charged because there's never enough evidence that way. And even then, even if you look at that evidence and think that the family

Starting point is 01:49:55 was culpable in some way, it's still not like they definitely did it. It's still like, well, maybe they covered up something else that happened maybe, or maybe this, or it's just so many theories yeah you said a netflix documentary just came out yeah yeah that's why that actually that brings me to something i also really wanted to talk about with you guys yeah i i was i was having this conversation with somebody and i don't know where i sit on it but i'm starting to think that like maybe netflix has too much power with some of these things because of the uh the menendez brothers uh series how they because it's like man i did the court of public opinion is now completely controlled by netflix yeah it's like the way that they present the information like they try to be balanced i kind

Starting point is 01:50:35 of see that but my god like different cases like this can be swayed so much to the degree that they're now getting another balance what's crazy not balanced. What's crazy is when you find, I thought because I never read about it and then I was like, oh, I'll watch that. I was like, man, these guys got railroad fucked over. And then you read it. And then you're like, and it's weird because it is like, how did they get to that point

Starting point is 01:50:57 where they're like, this is what we need to do? Was it that side? But then it is also like. Yeah. It's just so much speculation it's just it's what yeah it's yeah because netflix i did like the here's the menendez documentary and here's like all the research and like everything involved like actually and they didn't match really that well that was like the whole thing is the narrative was pushed towards the the sons being victims

Starting point is 01:51:23 which maybe they are like i, I don't know. And I can't say I know. I can just present information. It's a better story for sure. It's a better story, and that's why it's on Netflix as a limited series. And same as the JonBenet thing, they pushed the narrative of sympathy towards the parents

Starting point is 01:51:37 rather than, like, the public is, like, very against the parents usually, which I'm not either way. Again, I'm just like, here's the information. That's pretty weird. Think what you want with that. That's all I can say about it. Menendez brothers were even, they said,

Starting point is 01:51:52 it's like, well, I didn't, we didn't touch each other or anything. And they're like, that's them. Like, no, that portrayed us wrong. When the Netflix documentary came out and the one guy was like, why did you devote 60 minutes to saying I was gay? Yeah. I'm not dude also amazing shot that push in don't care out of everything out of cinema

Starting point is 01:52:15 that was one take you but you even were like bro yeah like they had a one hour it was like 30 40 minutes something like that. Single take. Have you seen that? No, I've not. It's a one hour single take. It's like a prison interview kind of thing and it's all acting but like it is one singular slow push in. Yeah. Between two characters. There's no cut. I love that. And it's not boring.

Starting point is 01:52:37 We were just watching a movie where it did, or we were watching Midnight Mass and they do a lot of that and I'm like, I love the one takes. I love that show one takes i love so much pleasure i love it it's such cinematic masturbation but it's so good yeah yeah no great show like without the whole case the menendez show is actually pretty good yeah what was the one movie with the the long one take i think you haven't watched it yet um action sequence 1970 yeah that is a great movie with amazing

Starting point is 01:53:06 hidden cuts, but it was where children aren't being born anymore. Oh, uh... Children of Men. That one take is... Talk about in a car when the shoot happens and the camera's rotating the whole time during the car chase.

Starting point is 01:53:21 We'll know when he walks into the restaurant and then that entire thing's into it. Where the bomb goes off? Yeah. I haven't seen that. I'll have to watch that. Incredible film. Oh my gosh. Children of Ed's in Alzheimer's. Not to spoil it for them, but the scene at the end holding up the... Oh my gosh.

Starting point is 01:53:37 It is a practical effect. These are practical explosions. It's like a 15 minute one take. Who's the lead in it? Is it Colin Farrell? No, Clive. Clive Bundy. Clive Bundy. Goat. Billy Goat Ranch.

Starting point is 01:53:54 Didn't he get a standoff with the federal government? I believe he did. 2012. Sorry. Go on about that. I'm intrigued about this standoff with the federal government. Have you met her already? What is it? Google the Billy Bob Bundy

Starting point is 01:54:09 ranch? Google Clive Bundy, Billy Goat Bow Hunt. Make sure you put a comma. Clive Owen. Clive Owen. I was like, wait, now I have to figure that one out. What's his face? Michael Caine's in it and stuff like that. Michael Caine.

Starting point is 01:54:27 Batman, Don't Man, Mr. Wayne. Mr. Wayne, I know why people go out at night wearing black leather. I do not approve, Mr. Wayne. God, I love my friend. We're all retarded. Everyone's retarded at this table.

Starting point is 01:54:49 I thought that was kind of an interesting tangent because it's like you have like you have netflix documentaries that like portray the actual facts and then you have the what makes for a good cinematic experience yeah and it's not always the same thing which is a little scary when it's like that's enough to push the the public perception to a degree where these people are getting another hearing yeah Yeah. Oh yeah. It's crazy. It's not, it's not for me to say that that's wrong, but like,

Starting point is 01:55:09 it's a weird line. Cause it's like, there's been times in the past where people have been exonerated because of information that's been pushed out by just people in the past. Right. Yeah. Um, by USS Indianapolis,

Starting point is 01:55:21 the captain forever was blamed for you. This is up your wheelhouse. Captain was blamed forever for the, uh, McVeigh, Captain McVe forever was blamed for you. This is up your wheelhouse. Captain was blamed forever for the McVeigh. Captain McVeigh was blamed for the sinking of the boat. And then it started with a seventh graders science project about how like the ship couldn't have like dodged the torpedoes. And then that started to work its way up in national news. They like Navy looked at it again and then exonerated work its way up in national news they like navy looked at it again and then exonerated the memory of mcveigh i did not know how seventh graders could do it and

Starting point is 01:55:51 one of the people military one of the people who came forward he's guilty one of the people who came forward uh to exonerate him in the hearings that followed was the Japanese submarine captain who fired the missiles. You know, I think I did hear some of that. Came forward to say that Captain McVeigh could not have dodged the missiles just based on the time that he, the captain, fired them, and that it was not the captain of the Indianapolis'

Starting point is 01:56:18 fault that the ship was hit. And that was a huge testimony and getting him exonerated so much so that the surviving members of the USS Indianapolis began to invite the Japanese submarine captain to their meetings after that. That is dope. I know a guy who his father or his wife's father was one of the people on the Indianapolis, one of the survivors. And for a long time, he just carried a lot of hate towards Japanese because you know time during the war and all that stuff and he was like they're at that trial when the Japanese captain did that and

Starting point is 01:56:52 that did away with all of it like it is at the level of Portland was the one bombing right there was that one the solo Japanese bomber that dropped uh it was West Coast I think it wasland the firebomb kites yeah they tried to like blow them across yeah yeah air channels yeah it was a one dude though that actually did it and then he gave his sword to the families there was an actual so i'm in portland or wherever that actually i thought it was when they were trying to uh there is the fire bombs yeah they were trying to blow fire bombs across wind channels to land on the west coast is that the one you're i think i think is that that's what you're talking about right and they like the government i don't think it was some dude

Starting point is 01:57:30 like covered it up i think ace imperials during the navy i actually think there's one dude that actually did a bombing in portland or something about it now i I look really stupid. It's great. You're doing great. It's like I take your son. It's just a podcast. Everyone loves it right now. You're not derailing anything. There's actually one where somebody, there was a Japanese pilot that made it stateside,

Starting point is 01:57:55 dropped bombs or a firebomb or did one thing, flew back home, and then he came back, apologized for it, gave his sword to the family that was injured. It was like one of the only injuries stateside, actual stateside that happened gave his sword apologized and now he still comes back to the united states like they honor him for that yeah there's a wild fucking world war ii story but i didn't mean to derail that hard very good no i wasn't talking about the uh like exoneration you have cases like that where it's like oh an individual bringing out information years later can make a difference in a good way.

Starting point is 01:58:26 Then you get into the question of like, okay, well, now you have these billion-dollar companies that are profiteering off of certain narratives. So even though hypothetically maybe information could be used to get good info out and exonerate people, because there's a profit motive, they may not always do that. Yeah. They saw that making a murderer did well and they're like, ooh. Yes. Do that again.

Starting point is 01:58:49 What can we make into making a murderer? Yeah, it really stems from that. I wish Rich was here to get his perspective for an actual detective because the amount of like, you know there's still information that hasn't been released to the public about it that Netflix doesn't have

Starting point is 01:59:02 and it's like, well, maybe that doesn't seem weird if you had all the information that those cops have yeah yeah so yeah it almost like shouldn't be allowed unless you have all the information censorship i have an idea yeah it's hard to say because it's like you should be able to make whatever like media you want yes however it's like when that starts to affect things within the actual judicial system it's like well this is we're entering a weird gray area. Yeah. You could do like the Quentin Tarantino thing with like the Hollywood movie.

Starting point is 01:59:31 He did like that Manson thing, but he just went his own way. Like it's a movie. Yeah. It's a movie. It's a big glorious bastard. It's not that. They shoot Hitler in the face with an MP40. Let's not claim how that happened.

Starting point is 01:59:40 Yeah. He's playing off of history, but making it his own. It's like, but they're like, no, this is what happened. It's a weird gray area. Why the towers were asking for it. Jesus. I'm making a Netflix. Look at what they were wearing.

Starting point is 02:00:00 I know. But what were they wearing? No, I don't know. It's a strange vibe. It was a two-year civil field goal. Oh, jeez. Nobu Fujita was the only Japanese aviator to bomb America, like Portland. There's your video.

Starting point is 02:00:17 Yep. There you go. You didn't know about that. Yeah. Yeah. That's history segment. Interesting. What did I do?

Starting point is 02:00:21 That's what I did. I was like, am I right? Write that down. Yeah, go ahead. Did I make that up in my head? I was like, am I... Did I make that up in my head? I was like, I'm gaslighting. We were this close to gaslighting. In my understanding,

Starting point is 02:00:34 it was literally just the one firebomb. That was the only United States civilian kills, right? They buried it in the newspapers? It was like a family on a picnic that got hit by one of those manless kite bombs. Oh my god. Yeah, it's horrible.

Starting point is 02:00:48 That's horrible. That's not funny at all. Why are you being me right now? Why did you lead, cut, chase, track to his camera? He's being me right now. I'm laughing and then track back to when you're still laughing right now. I'm in camera, it's in a cut. I can come back.

Starting point is 02:01:06 What the fuck? That's disgusting. That's disgusting behavior. What? You got fucking poop over here. Can't condone it. Yeah. I need my ginger. This would be you in the other conversation. Let's just say I love my game today.

Starting point is 02:01:24 Dude. You have three hours to work for this. in the other conversation. Let's just say I love my game today. You have three hours to work for this one. It's a nice sunny day. You're out on a picnic. Kids like, oh, oh, oh. And it's like, isn't it a lovely day, honey? That sun is really close. I love how we're like one family.

Starting point is 02:01:43 Unforgivable. Hiroshima, like the pilots of the Inouye. Yeah, really. The picnic makes it so much funnier. Oh, no. Funnier is not the... That's the name of the episode, when the goon doubles down. I will take that from a lot of people.

Starting point is 02:02:12 I will not take that from you. You're both like this. Look, all of us are disgusted. He's laughing. Just because the concept of a picnic is to leave your home to go to somewhere more nice yeah like two days nobody goes on a picnic and they're not like it's

Starting point is 02:02:32 not like hey let's go to a nice place like last well it's just because they should stay home is that horrible turt like this porridge is terrible serendipitous and in by horrible, I mean, when she says horrible, I say hilarious. Because the idea is, we're gonna go to somewhere lovely and tranquil, and they got firebombed by the Japanese. Yeah. Say thank you. I get it. No, I get what you're saying.

Starting point is 02:02:59 I get what you're saying. There's no precedence for that. There's no, like, we're gonna go out today, look out for a missile strike. And suddenly, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. It's like a sentence you'd never hear. It's like, one day I went on a picnic and got firebombed.

Starting point is 02:03:14 Yeah, exactly. Also, it's a kite. How slow is it moving? It was a kite? On fire? Yeah. Didn't they just tell that still? Were they just told that still? Like, well, maybe it'll go somewhere else. It's like the scene from Austin Powers. Oh, yeah. He screams for three minutes straight.

Starting point is 02:03:58 Oh, no. Wait, how big was the kite? Big enough to carry the bomb across the ocean. Wait, what do you mean it's worse? In 1945, a Japanese balloon bomb killed six Americans. Five of them were children. Dead kids, Isaiah. Hilarious.

Starting point is 02:04:17 Hold on, excuse me. I've been waiting years for this. Oh, that just read. That's way worse. Elsie Mitchell almost didn't go on the picnic that sunny day in Oregon. She had baked a chocolate cake the night before in anticipation for their outing. See, I told you it was- Is something funny, I say?

Starting point is 02:04:35 I wonder if it was a chocolate lava cake. Just the concept of like, Ms. Frizzle. Like with a bunch of kids Like we're gonna go to the school An easy field trip with the frizz? No way Cruisin' on that nation You can't read that You can't read that

Starting point is 02:04:54 Not after all the laughing Read it Not after the laughter This is my job Please stop Cue the creepcast music. You can pick it up wherever you'd like. Chocolate cake.

Starting point is 02:05:09 Or is this really cold? 26-year-old. She was expecting. On the morning of May 5th, she felt decent enough to join her husband, Reverend Mitchell, and a group of Sunday school children from their tight-knit community.

Starting point is 02:05:24 This couldn't get any worse. As they set out for nearby... You better be... You got a one-way ticket downstairs. Gerhard Mountain in southern Oregon against a scenic backdrop far removed from the war raging across the Pacific. Mitchell and five other children

Starting point is 02:05:41 would become the first and only civilians to die by enemy weapons on the United States mainland during World War II. A picnic. As a concept. Thank you. It's still funny. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:05:58 It's like a smiling Frisbee. Yeah. We're going to go to the puzzle day. You're patting him. And the flaming kite comes down I understand It is so insane It is so

Starting point is 02:06:10 A woman with a reverend With five beautiful kids And they're holding a cake And a flaming Japanese kite Comes down from heaven And they hold still They're looking at it in wonderment comes down from heaven and they hold still. They're looking at it in wonderment.

Starting point is 02:06:28 It's like that Jim Carrey bit where he's just pretending to be who is it? Jimmy The Grinch? No. No. He's watching.

Starting point is 02:06:43 Yes, Nick. Who is that actor? From It's a Wonderful Life. Jimmy Stewart He's pretending to be Jimmy Stewart He's like Jimmy Stewart can make anything wonderful Do you guys know Jimmy Stewart? He's a really old actor from It's a Wonderful Life He talks like that He could make an atomic bomb look

Starting point is 02:07:02 Like it was wonderful He's like oh he could make an atomic bomb look like it was wonderful. He's like, oh, look at that. Look at that mushroom cloud. It could just melt your face off. And it's just like. What if I cry? Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's beautiful.

Starting point is 02:07:15 But that's what I think. And then their uncle, President Truman, saw that newspaper clipping. Yeah. Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Look, all I'm saying is all of that was me because I'm an evil person. Chris was laughing because she was

Starting point is 02:07:34 disgusted by how funny I thought it was. Caleb and I are the bad ones. No, no, no. He's not walking out of this one. On the red thread, it is a running bit. This is my thing. It is a running bit.

Starting point is 02:07:48 If he has to read about a woman dying, he can't control himself with laughter. It's a coping mechanism. He gets nervous. It's like he starts doing this. I can't help it. I can't help it. It'll be like,

Starting point is 02:08:01 we're going to talk about the murder, Caleb, and you can hear the snickering. And he'll get to the details and he just like dies out of the film. It's like so horrible that he needs to laugh. There was the monkey man episode. Oh my God. Specifically. That's what set it off.

Starting point is 02:08:15 Yeah. That was the start of the end. Yeah. Because it was about. First off, Red Thread. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:08:21 Me and him do a podcast with Jackson Clark clark called the red thread where we do uh conspiracy theories um true crime uh cryptids just all kinds of weird stuff where we break it down one of the holy shit charlie's here i replaced him he's a permanent guest um one of the episodes we covered, The Monkey Man of New Delhi. And it was about in New Delhi, India. A bunch of people said that they saw it. Dang it. You're infecting me.

Starting point is 02:08:52 A bunch of people saw The Monkey Man, which was a monkey that had like its head opened up and had like experiments done on it. So it's like a surgery dome around its head or whatever. And it was going to kill people. So there would just be crowds of people. Is that the enemy of like the powerpuff girls mojo-jojo yeah imagine oh wait what what you're sorry this was like the 70s early 2000 it might have been like 90s to okay yeah I've been more recent I can't remember it but it got to the point where people would be like it's the monkey man and there would be stampedes of mass hysteria

Starting point is 02:09:26 Just running screaming shouting ever people who like would come to the police saying they were cut up and scratched by it in their sleep IT centers were down for hours. Yeah, exactly And then Caleb had to read a part about a woman that died As a result of the monkey man was a... I think this is correct. Was she pregnant? No. She was either pregnant or holding a child. It was something.

Starting point is 02:09:54 She died. Did she have a chocolate cake? She fell down the steps, right? She fell down steps? Yeah. The only death attributed to the monkey man was a woman who died falling down steps and he could not stop laughing it's just funny cuz

Starting point is 02:10:10 it's because it's this mass hysteria event that's taken hold of this town and these people are so like this guy got whooped he got his ass beat by the monkey man and he's got like wounds on his body and then the only death because it took hold of a town of like i don't even know how many people are fucking new delhi yeah like it's just mass hysteria and the only death caused by the monkey man was someone tripping and falling so is it because of the mass hysteria like were they running yeah yeah people are running and she went over like a three-story staircase or something like that. And he couldn't quit laughing

Starting point is 02:10:48 just because of the absurdity of it. So now anytime we get to a description of, like, a woman dying or a sensitive event, he's going, don't laugh, don't laugh, don't laugh, which makes it funny to him. It's the equivalent of, like, being in school and the teacher's like, no one laughed. You look over at your friend and he's like...

Starting point is 02:11:03 Well, you guys... You're watching the movie the Helen Keller and all your friends are trying not to die they also set it up really badly now I'm pretty good now

Starting point is 02:11:18 me and Jackson but they purposefully set things up. I don't know what you're talking about. You're intentionally scooting farther away. I don't know what you're talking about. They set me up to fail. And by set him up to fail, we mean do his job.

Starting point is 02:11:35 And also, by the way, it isn't just the women. It's anybody dying, really. Anything horribly uncomfortable. It's not just women, thank God. No, it isn't just women. It's anybody. They get. Anything horribly uncomfortable. It's not just women, thank God. No, it isn't just women. It's anybody. They get a job, horrible. Also children.

Starting point is 02:11:49 Also children. Men. Can't forget the children. Now, we will, me and Jackson will structure, we're like, I read set up, he reads suspects, and it's like, now, for the murder, Caleb, you haven't read yet. I think it's your time to take the document.

Starting point is 02:12:01 I'm the most respectful member of the group. Yeah, for sure. Good job. Good job, buddy. We will grant you a seat as guest, but not part of the council. Yeah, you're given the seat of the council, but not the rank of Jedi Master. You're given a seat at the table, but not the rank of host. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 02:12:21 We got there eventually. Scared people is horrifying. Thanks, Dan. Just people freaking out about something is hysteria groups uh like i don't know if hysteria is the right word but like so when you go when you go through like electrician school you have to do this like whole section on um fire and how a building has to be built now from all the different shit we've learned because there's and you have to go through and read all these like historic cases of like in chicago there was a theater and it was the first night it was open and there was um this massive fire and the doors automatically shut

Starting point is 02:12:55 like fire doors are supposed to but they fucked up and there wasn't really a protocol at the time so these doors swung shut this way and all the people tried to run out and were pushing into the people at the doors and everybody dies because everybody is freaking out and nobody could just be like hey back up so I can open the door so it's like the whole world

Starting point is 02:13:18 is built around like basically controlling people like cattle because now you have to have the doors open this way and they can't have a knob they have to have those push bars and all this crazy shit i think those are some of the biggest mass cash events in the united states where you have like somebody just tosses in like an oily rag and because the doors are built the way they are and like you have public you know just the the mass yeah hysteria freaking out like that i think there's a nightclub in new york something that was like 150 deaths yeah crazy shit that was one those on video right yep

Starting point is 02:13:47 whereas during the concert you can see the yeah it will and then the they also had the insulation that lit on fire and it fell down on it oh we can't use it why she was over a hundred people I think yeah that one if you were a loved one has been diagnosed with mesothelioma it was that's when I found out insulation was like that oh, that is... That should probably be fireproof. We should fix that. The thing that every house in the country is lined with,

Starting point is 02:14:11 the super flammable styrofoam. We should probably do something about that. It's a conspiracy from Big Fire. I remember something about that club. I like you. Big Smoke, Big Fire, Big Smoke. I like it. I can tell he likes it. smoke, big fire, big smoke. I like it. It's simple.

Starting point is 02:14:26 I can tell he likes it. I don't know. If it's really, really good, he'll go, that's funny. Yeah, that's funny. And then I come out of bed, like, happy that night. Like, it was bullshit. I didn't mind. It wouldn't be a laugh.

Starting point is 02:14:36 It's funny. It's a point. I don't know if I was just going to talk about people dying in a fire. I was actually going to ask you. Like a fire. I was actually gonna ask you, uh... Like a hearty laugh, not like a friendly laugh. Like a, oh, that's funny. Like a real, like, belly laugh. His loud laugh is like, it's like,

Starting point is 02:14:54 ha-ha! That's what he does. It's like his brain's like... Did you say, whoa? That's what he sounds like. It's like, that's his loudest laugh. His brain's like, I'm gonna get this out now. Let me, ha-ha! All right, thank you. It's like a sneeze. It's like a that's his loudest laugh. His brain's like, I'm going to get this out now. Let me, all right. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:06 Yeah. It's like a sneeze. Yeah. What is the most terrifying, biblically accurate angel to you? Okay. I have that rope. I was like, this is the one. I'm glad that had a smooth segue.

Starting point is 02:15:22 Chase hard cut to that. Press fire swap to see where you are. So there's not that many angels explicitly described in biblical canon. There's ones that are mentioned in, like, extra canon and stuff like that. Like, I think Metatron, which sounds like the Transformer. Metatron, I believe believe I always get it wrong it's either like extra beliefs within Catholicism I'm pretty sure it might be Judaism anyway he's mentioned as the one who keeps record of the like the souls allowed into heaven the scribe of God kind of

Starting point is 02:15:59 thing pretty much I've seen Supernatural. It's... Gosh. No. He's described as... What is it? It's like the creature of a thousand tongues or something like that that keeps the record, keeps all memory things. So that one's like a freaky image. as far as like actual biblical depictions it has to be the ophanim

Starting point is 02:16:30 ophilim or whatever they're called thrones a lot um the wheels within wheels it comes from one description in the book of ezekiel when ezekiel is effectively being summoned to be a prophet of God. And he makes his way to the river and he sees a creature appear in the clouds that he describes as wheels within wheels. And on the wheels are eyes that are viewing him and the wheels, this gyroscope, like shapes within shapes. And that on the wheels are eyes, and that it has this great fire and these wings that sprout off of it. And it says it is larger than a mountain, and that when it speaks, it speaks with thunder and fire.

Starting point is 02:17:17 So that's pretty mighty. Now, my opinion is that there's a lot of like, Catholicism does this a lot. They take the angels. That's terrifying. Oh, yeah. There's like paintings of like the catholicism does this a lot they take the angels oh yeah there's like paintings of it it's really cool oh yeah i know it's kind of a meme but it's like when they first introduce themselves as a human it's always be not afraid yeah cool let me see i love the meme where it's like it's it's that biblically accurate angel and then it's the chad face like be not afraid this is literally the most terrifying i think it's like so the catholics do it a lot to where there are specific kinds of angels mentioned

Starting point is 02:17:54 because there's other weird kinds mentioned there's the seraphim uh that come up a lot they're mentioned in the book of isaiah uh it is these creatures are said to have like it's they have two wings that cover their head and two wings that cover their feet and two wings that's come out, they're covered in eyes. And that's the ones that come to Isaiah whenever he's commissioned to be the prophet says they leap coals of fire in his mouth. Then there's like the cherubs, which are mentioned as these creatures that have like the head of a bull, the head of an eagle, the head of like animalistic features within the wing.

Starting point is 02:18:25 So there's a lot of stuff like that. And in Catholicism, I say Catholicism like it's just in. In a lot of Christian beliefs, it is like tiered almost. It's like, yes, if they are a throne, it is one specific angel that is a throne. And if they are a seraph, there's one specific that's a seraph, right? And I think one of the reasons for that is because like in revelations, there's a lot of mention of like around the throne of God, there are the seraphs, seraphim and the cherubim and stuff like that. So maybe that could be true. But what I also think is possible is that, you know, these angels aren't really, you know, they existed before we did right so i don't think

Starting point is 02:19:06 they have to be relegated to one form i think maybe they can just be things at different times like michael's mentioned as the archangel who will eventually you know destroy it to do not make a supernatural reference that will eventually i wasn't thinking about it yes you were no i was not michael that will fight lucifer i will not take this from my son. Okay. Michael that will eventually fight Lucifer. Lucifer. Lucifer. Thank you. Now I got it wrong.

Starting point is 02:19:32 I said Lucifer. You said Lucifer. Lucifer. Thank you. You're correct. You gaslight. Ocifer. Lucifer.

Starting point is 02:19:41 Ocifer. Ocifer. I swear to drunk, I'm not God. That's funny. I swear to drunk I'm not God. Yes, that guy. You have descriptions of Michael and stuff like that. Most of the time that angels appear in the Bible,

Starting point is 02:20:08 the person who's speaking to them doesn't know they're an angel at first or at least a lot of the time you have like um uh speaking to the angel does not know that yes samuel's mother rachel i believe no that's not rebecca i think samuel's mother uh didn't think she was gonna have a child then a man appears before and says you all will have a child do this that. And then in the course of talking to him, he steps into the fire and disappears and they realize, oh, that was an angel. So that kind of thing happens a lot throughout the Bible. So they can appear as just people in like normal form, right? So it's not that I think there's angels that look exactly like people. I think what is more likely the case is the angels can change their form or how they look depending on what's needed. In that scenario, he might just have wanted to free Palestine.

Starting point is 02:20:53 I can't wait to watch you guys fight. It's this class, bro. Creator clash is going to be great. It's a conversational thing. It might be this one. You have the different tool for different jobs. Like in Ezekiel's case, right? It's a conversational way. It might be this one. You have the different tool for different jobs. Like in Ezekiel's case, a lot of the prophecy that Ezekiel would end up delivering was very brimstone and fire.

Starting point is 02:21:17 It was Ezekiel going to the king. There's actually a part, I believe it's in Ezekiel, where Ezekiel is speaking to the king and directly calls him like, basically, thou art the devil. He looks at the king and says, thou art the anointed cherub who tempted man in Eden. So it's like, in Ezekiel's case, it's like there's a very wicked rulership over you. You're going to have to preach hell hot, right? But in other cases, like Gideon, where he needed to secretly raise up an army, an angel appears before him, and he can't tell it's an angel at first. Or no, he can tell it's an angel. That's where I think the first mention of be not afraid is, but it's just described as like, you know, a person figure. And in other cases, like you have

Starting point is 02:21:53 a case with Elijah, you have a case with, um, Isaac where, uh, an angel appears in a voice, just like a still soft voice. And in those cases, the thing that they needed to do was much more subtle, much more personal. Right? So I think it's just the right tool for the right job if god needs a man to go forward and speak violence and wrath you have the angel appear as a mountain that speaks with thunder and fire and if he needs to secretly raise up an army if he needs to change what he's doing it's a voice or a person um i don't necessarily think it has to be just angels are stuck in one form forever i think it's just the right tool for the right job i mean you also have like sodom and gomorrah were the first thing like the people of the town wanted to them

Starting point is 02:22:34 immediately yes which is like bizarre it's like you would think that yeah so the in that case the two angels enter the town as people right and the people attacking just assumed it was two people, right? They didn't know it was angels. Obviously, the first course of action. But what were they doing there? It wasn't the brimstone and fire yet. It was the two angels going to Lot's house. That was another.

Starting point is 02:22:56 They weren't. The angels were going there to speak to Lot. They were not going there to speak to the people of the town. So to go speak to Lot, they appear again as people in a much more neutral, casual form. Then after that, the fire came. But for that initial step, it was the peacefulness, the tool for the job, basically. It's like Caleb with the burritos. Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 02:23:20 You remember how the other day I was like, angel side, devil side? No, that was the devil side. Don't put me on that side. We've switched places. No. Ask them a question. I'm not talking to you. I'm going to sit here.

Starting point is 02:23:36 That was, guys, thank you so fucking much for coming out. First off, before we close out. I feel like that's bad to end on that. Okay. Find a new topic. Oh, yeah. No, you're doing great. Are we done with your fucking phone list now?

Starting point is 02:23:47 No, actually, I do have ghost stuff. Oh, okay. Oh, that's her alley. Oh, I still have more if we want. I can go down that road, too. Keep going. If we wait long enough, Caleb's going to bring us food. Are we talking about ghost stuff?

Starting point is 02:24:01 Yeah, I'm down. I don't care. Yeah, if you want. I feel bad for keeping you guys, but... I have so much experience with ghosts. We're not doing anything after this. We live here now. We could stay here until Sunday if you want.

Starting point is 02:24:13 It's Friday. 48-hour podcast. Yeah, dude. Let's do it. 48 hours. Oh, yeah. Let's go. Right now.

Starting point is 02:24:20 In that case, I'm going to leave. You're laughing. You noticed the palette of terabyte hard drives. I'm sure you walked in. We need that before. Two terabytes. We got time. Caleb, I need you now.

Starting point is 02:24:34 No, we're good. I'm good. This is a good ghost stuff. I know you guys are. You hunt it. Are you a believer? Not a believer? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:24:41 I want to see if ghosts are real. I want to see them. I don't believe in them at all. He's a ghost poker. I would if they showed them, if there was some kind of evidence, I'd believe. What about Isaiah? I know. That's why I love this.

Starting point is 02:24:55 Yeah, okay. Sorry, I asked your question. You got to pop some more of that. You just asked it, Reddick. You asked. Do you believe in ghosts? That's not what I'm talking to them. I'll talk to you.

Starting point is 02:25:03 Okay. Do you believe in ghosts? What's your opinion on that? I don't know if you believe in ghosts? That's what I'm talking to them. I'll talk to you. Okay. Do you believe in ghosts? What's your opinion on that? I don't know if I believe in ghosts. So the Bible says to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord. Right. And I don't really think there's exceptions to that. At least none that are listed.

Starting point is 02:25:18 Now, I do believe in angels and demons. Right. But one of the whole things that happened with Christ's crucifixion was we went from the age of law to the age of grace. So things like angels and demons don't happen as literally on earth anymore, right? But there's this weird gray area in the Bible where it talks about spirits, right? It talks about spirits coming over people a lot. It talks about Saul, that a spirit entered his mind and made him hostile towards david and it talks about um spirits from uh like dark spirits the roman or spirits to stay

Starting point is 02:25:51 away from uh i don't think it was jesus but somewhere in the new testament it says those who speak strange spirits find them something to that effect um so it's like okay well that sounds something and then there is one case in the bible uh where for a bad reason the spirit or the soul the ghost effectively of someone who's dead comes back and that's with uh samuel when saul are you familiar with the story saul going to the witch yeah yeah so when saul goes to the witch um i would explain this to you guys, but I'm not talking to you all for the rest. Thank you for bringing that back up. When Saul goes to see the witch, y'all talk to Eli, he's fine. Fuck me then.

Starting point is 02:26:33 He doesn't know about it. So, in the Bible, there's this point when Saul wants to have David killed because he knows David is supposed to take the throne. So, Saul gets upset. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:26:50 That's the first time you've been thanked for leaving the podcast. In all 200 episodes. So Saul wants David dead because he knows David has the rightful heir to the throne as god has said so saul um goes to a witch because saul is so stuck in his mind that he should be king that he's like oh i'm going to go uh to a witch and summon the spirit of samuel the prophet and samuel was a prophet for god who originally commissioned or anointed Saul to be king, but then Saul messed up, so Samuel moved on to David. But Saul is so stuck in his mind that he's like, no, I'm supposed to be king.

Starting point is 02:27:33 Samuel will know that. Samuel will agree with me. So he goes to a witch and asks the witch to summon the soul of Samuel. And it says that the spirit of Samuel appears appears and I think the line that said it says he appears with spirits and says uh why hast thou disquieted me or something which is like who why hast thou disturbed my slumber right yeah and he said and he basically like lays it out to Saul the spirit of Samuel does and says um it's it's this whole thing about like thou hast basically bit the hand that's fed you, thou hast gone against God.

Starting point is 02:28:07 Thy soul and the souls of thy sons will be required. And then the next day on the battlefield, Saul and his sons were killed. So Saul suffered serious damage for it, but that is an example in the Bible of a ghost showing up. It's interesting.

Starting point is 02:28:20 It's interesting. It's all interesting. I don't know. Yeah, for me, I'm just curious. I'm just a curious little guy. It's like him. I mean, he wants to have that experience or whatever. Yeah, I would like to.

Starting point is 02:28:34 I don't believe in them. I don't have faith that ghosts are real. That I'm willing to disregard my experience and history and books and science and things like that. There are things I'm willing to disregard aspects of to have faith in those things or believe in those things. But not ghosts. If I saw one, I would believe in it. But it doesn't make my life better to believe in it or worse. Can I call out a nuclear-grade non-answer on Isaiah's part? Sure. Did you all hear something?

Starting point is 02:29:10 Yes. A little pitter-patter. Everyone's shitting on Brandon now. No. No. No. No. What is it?

Starting point is 02:29:19 I want to hear it. Well, no, because you did bring up a very very like that was a well uh explained i think biblical answer but like you with you personally like things you've experienced because i think you like you you've been to a lot of uh i guess very haunted places and stuff like that and you have you clearly have an interest with it like creepcast and everything is that something that you actually believe in at least to some degree or um i would love to be convinced i think um but it's i i do believe in the supernatural so do i and yeah and the afterlife and god and the devil i firmly believe in the supernatural i don't think i believe in the souls of people

Starting point is 02:30:07 still walking the earth got it basically and i don't even necessarily believe that demons or spirits or whatever would present themselves in such a way like uh it's a cliche line from that usual suspects but the devil you know greatest trick convincing the world he didn't exist i have no idea why spirits or demons or whatever would show their hand like that and maybe in individual circumstances like individual people who saw something maybe that is a spirit or ghost or whatever i don't think there would ever be proof i don't think they that would ever happen because like that if that ever were to happen that ruins the game that ruins the the um what's the word I'm looking for? They're accomplishing their end goal in their absence.

Starting point is 02:30:49 Yes, exactly. Yeah, because, you know, I've talked about it on the podcast before, but the devil's whole trick is to just make people not trust in God. He doesn't need to win. He just needs God to lose for individuals, right? If you prove the devil, then, like, fuck. Well, then by cause and effect, like, I'm going to church now, right? That defeats the whole point so i don't even think they would ever prove themselves in any substantial way

Starting point is 02:31:10 uh again maybe individually like like the bible talks about possessions and stuff like that and i believe in that to some degree but i don't believe there'd ever be possessions to the point that it would out them right or something like that that was going to be my next question if you believe in that specific so So I believe in possessions, uh, at least as mentioned in the new Testament and stuff like that. Uh, there's one case of the people.

Starting point is 02:31:34 Um, it's while Paul's preaching and I want to say Antioch, I can't remember which church, but, it's mentioned in the book of Acts chapter seven, I think, um, a group of people who have heard of what paul's doing

Starting point is 02:31:46 in casting out spirits go to try to cast out a demon themselves and says they go to the person that is possessed and say they're going to cast him out and says the demon looked up at them in the person and said jesus i know and paul i know but who are you effectively saying that they don't have any power in the spirit they're nothing it says i would shit my pants in that moment that's a kidding it says the person leaped at them and rent their clothes from them and they walked from the house crippled and wounded jesus yeah so it's like that's mentioned in the bible right so that's be real to some degree but again in the modern age i don't think they would show their hand that way yeah because that defeats the purpose if people can get possessed and they're evil then like he loses right it's like you know that's bad

Starting point is 02:32:30 we don't want that to happen yeah um so i've never thought about that that is like hey if we show that that's why it can't be recorded because then they the devil itself is losing because then everyone is on board like oh yeah exactly okay it's that's like the the test it's like you're it's either you have faith or you don't have faith based off of jesus and and everything that he did so i never really understood satanism in general where they're like all right well if you've read the book that's why you decided to worship that guy typically satanism is like non... There's Luciferian Satanism, which is like the

Starting point is 02:33:08 worship of that, but most Satanist stuff, like Anton LaVey and all that, is like hedonism. It's like hedonism. Yeah. It's almost... Yeah. I want to do what I want, and God's dead, and let's have a party. That's what most of it is. It's basically like atheism, but like... Edgy atheism.

Starting point is 02:33:24 Edgy atheism, exactly. It's not like a pentagram on the table andgy atheism. Edgy atheism, exactly. It's not like a pentagram on the table and everybody's... But some are. Yeah, sometimes it is. I'm going to prove to you how unimportant this is to me, and I'm going to parody that. Exactly. And that's kind of the way, I mean, you know,

Starting point is 02:33:36 if you believe in it or not, like how the devil works. You know, it's convincing you that this is not real. So, yeah, it's interesting. Nothing to worry about. Have fun. Enjoy life. And don't worry about what comes afterwards. So, yeah, it's interesting. Nothing to worry about. Have fun. Enjoy life. And don't worry about what comes afterwards. Yeah, there's no repercussions.

Starting point is 02:33:48 I think if possession still works in the, or if that's still even part of the ploy, I think it would be people possessed who would never show any signs of it and perhaps put into, people put into places of influence for others and would never show any signs of it to anyone. I think that would be the way that would happen for a sample YouTuber with just over 4 million subscribers. Doesn't the Catholic Church have

Starting point is 02:34:15 desert? That was just like a B to your opinion. What about Catholic Church? I was going to say, don't Catholic Church have like, sorry, I don't know, but they're like. Yeah, you wouldn't know about 4 million subscribers, would you? I don't. Jesus. I don't.

Starting point is 02:34:31 I'm not bitter. Wow. I'm some family rival. Because they have like different geographical regions with, I think it's called a diocese. Doesn't each one have have a designated exorcist that has special training or something? Did you grow up Catholic? No, Christian.

Starting point is 02:34:51 Jesus. Catholic is Christian. No, I know, but just like, not Catholic, but just overall, just like your basic Christian. That was really funny. It's either you're Catholic or just like i'm not a baptist or protestant you just grew up broad christian yeah that's what i meant yeah um yes i believe so i don't know the specifics of it but if i know right because i know that the way it's broken up is you have like the pope and then you have like the cardinals of different regions and under those are bishops and then individual church priests, fathers, stuff like that.

Starting point is 02:35:26 Somewhere in that chain, there are people trained in exorcism. I don't know if that's like a bishop's position or some priest position. Like I don't know what role that is in there. But somewhere on that hierarchy, yeah, there are people trained in exorcism. Have you seen the Pope's Exorcist? Have you seen the movie? It's actually a really fun movie you should watch it if you haven't seen it it's on netflix the what the pope's exorcist with russell crowe no it's an awesome did you watch it that's good i like it a lot it's fun it was really fun it's

Starting point is 02:35:56 not what personal experiences though like you've probably had some well the thing is don't so you have you had any experiences with it? And then have you seen her experiences? Because I'm assuming you trust her. You're not like, you're a liar. Yeah. No, I don't think she's a liar. No.

Starting point is 02:36:12 Yeah, for me, it's... You have a bold claim. She's legit. I understand that it's causation. If I put my scared self in a situation where I'm in a haunted place, that's scary. And it's dark. And any creak or any noise or any flash, like I'm going, I'm looking for ghosts.

Starting point is 02:36:30 So I'm going to think that's a ghost. I'm very willing to believe. I'm exactly. And I'm very, I try to be very aware of that in those situations. And then there's some situations where, you know, we try to debunk it and we do like, I'd say 99% of the time.

Starting point is 02:36:43 And then sometimes we just can't. And I don't know what that means. Like maybe it means that it was nothing and I would just wasn't able to debunk it or I experienced something. So that's just something I'm not, I don't say like a hundred percent. This is this, that I'm like, I heard a voice in front of me say something. I don't know what that means. It scared me. It was weird weird and we caught it on camera but i don't know like i i don't know so it's very strange but i'm very aware of like if you do put yourself in that situation if you go hunting for bigfoot if then and you see a psychology place it's all psychology you hit what you aim at exactly for that thing you're gonna find exactly yeah so when it comes to

Starting point is 02:37:22 ghost hunting i think for everyone that's just what it is. When you catch something on camera, have you shown him and you're like how do we... I haven't sat down and like actually gone through stuff with him like that. I think he would just be like... If no woman's dying, he doesn't care. Yeah, exactly. Is this funny

Starting point is 02:37:39 or not? Yeah. Because if it's not funny, I don't care. Yeah. And I'm totally Because if it's not funny, I don't care. Yeah. And I totally, like, it's totally cool. I'm the same,

Starting point is 02:37:51 though. Like, I would love it, like, love for, like, somebody to just walk up and be like,

Starting point is 02:37:55 hey, I'm a ghost. What's up? How's it going? But I haven't had that happen. I think, like, the whole,

Starting point is 02:38:00 like, the gray area of, like, spirits in the Bible, I think maybe some experience that happened, maybe the results of that. I don't know i don't know yeah and even if like i tell people this like for example i don't believe in aliens i don't think aliens are real right just really because like bible doesn't mention them i don't know how they'd come up but if aliens turned out to be real

Starting point is 02:38:17 tomorrow that would it i wouldn't be like oh i guess god's not real it would just be like okay i was incorrect in how i framed that. You'd have the Warhammer philosophy of only one of us was made in God's image, motherfucker. That's what I do. I'm about to find out

Starting point is 02:38:30 what that means. That's what I do to the geese at the local park near my house, too. Oh, that's a deep cut. I can't remember that one, but that came from somewhere.

Starting point is 02:38:40 Yeah, it was a meme that was like me going to the local park about to let the geese know why I'm the one made in God's image. Jesus Christ. So.

Starting point is 02:38:48 Venocide. But. Xenophobe, I'm not afraid. I think that if aliens are real, it's like, oh, it's not that God's not real. It's just that I need to readjust my thinking. If tomorrow confident evidence came out that the spirits of the dead could be found, talked to, still exist, it wouldn't be like, well, I guess heaven and hell is not real and all that. It would just be like, okay, I just need to reframe my understanding of it.

Starting point is 02:39:15 Yeah. Yeah, I'm under the same kind of frame. Which, if anything, that would prove it even further. Honestly, yeah. Because of the references you're talking about. It's like, oh oh that's really interesting so there's also a lot of really interesting like old testament stuff where like people i don't know the way that they phrase certain things especially older old testament stuff where like it implies the existence of other magic and things outside of god

Starting point is 02:39:37 which is really interesting like sorcery and things like that where it's like there's almost like an understanding of a supernatural element that doesn't really exist in the new testament as much yeah i think again i think that comes back to jesus uh because the whole thing was like we had to follow the law yeah you had to follow the rule and like the stuff laid out by the prophets uh and then jesus ended all that jesus came to earth yeah um he was the final sacrifice the lamb of god God. Right. And with his death. No more fun magic. Exactly. Yeah. Like actually. All that stuff that had to be done physically for you to happen is gone now.

Starting point is 02:40:10 Like the temple was rent in half. Yes. It's because they all failed. There was already a flood. Yeah. And then. We tried that twice. There was miracles happening.

Starting point is 02:40:18 Still, people weren't buying it. And we're like, okay, we're going to kill Jesus, bring him back to life. Now y'all need to just believe. There's no more like our sins rely on the high priest. He is the mediator. Exactly. That's the meme going around about Judas. It's like, dude, even if you didn't believe he was the son of God,

Starting point is 02:40:36 you're still clearly fucking with a very high-level wizard. Really very amazing. Bad call. Really bad call. He's like standing around and watching the crippled guy get up. He's like, okay, well, anyone could do that. Two fish, a thousand fish, anybody can miscount. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 02:40:58 You're telling me they brought empty baskets and started handing them out. Help me keep it fresh. Okay. You're telling me they brought empty baskets and started handing them out. How many people did you kill? Okay. And no one reached in and realized that there was more blow fall all of a sudden. Easily explainable.

Starting point is 02:41:19 Okay. Blood and water, whatever. Wine and water. I hate that we always have the most intelligent conversation at the end of the podcast oh I love it

Starting point is 02:41:29 yeah I guess they're not here anymore it has to warm up yeah no they're not here you're right they left 40 minutes ago they're dead right now

Starting point is 02:41:38 we warmed them up we warmed them up for the intelligent conversation well Donut2 do you want to close this out yeah i'll close this out thank you all so much for watching appreciate it thank you so much to uh everyone today thank you to eli double tap nick the flat electrician uh my father who i'm not on speaking

Starting point is 02:41:56 terms with at the moment uh caleb slash umpaville slash game developer slash slash Willy Wonka and call me Chris. Oh, wow. And, also known as TikTok. Beautiful boy. Where can we find you and what projects are you guys doing right now? Just look up OompaVille. You can find me anywhere pretty much. But Black Pine is my game

Starting point is 02:42:21 that's coming out hopefully soon. And Sour Dog GG is where you can get candy. Yeah, candies. Wishlist it? Yeah, they can wishlist it if they want. Force them. They will listen. Just play it.

Starting point is 02:42:33 Play it, and if you like it, wishlist it. Yeah, look at it. You guys are so much kinder to the audience than we are. He might also be one of the extras on the plane. You know, the ten others. He's a lot of the extras on the plane. You know, the 10 others. He's one of the 10 others. Call me Chris and random people. Where do we find you?

Starting point is 02:42:53 Call me Chris. Or TikTok. And what is the name of your movie one more time? Oh, it's House on Eden. House on Eden. House on Eden. Yep. You can check out the trailer on my channel.

Starting point is 02:43:02 And hopefully it'll come out soon. When is this going to come out? No idea. Okay. idea sometimes in the next month or two it might be out now if not hopefully soon so A24 hit her up yeah yeah exactly and where do we find you Mr. Williamson

Starting point is 02:43:18 oh I've already done one of these like yesterday fuck me sorry so did the rest of us every time I mean I feel bad doing the plug twice you know what

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Starting point is 02:43:36 I appreciate y'all thank you on that note kisses Thank you. When you see my face You won't know what

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