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Episode Date: January 27, 2025

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HR does not exist anymore. Now we're good. That's why we got that nice mic now on top, because I learned lessons. You don't want to miss anything. No. Yeah, voice skill. Everyone ready? Three, two, one. now on top because i learned lessons don't want to miss anything no yeah voice skill everyone ready three two one hi everyone welcome to the unsubscribed podcast i'm joined today by

eli doubletap mr kevin briningham brandon herrera and myself donut operator also known as king trout it's like i can still hear his voice donut died trash accident it just starts like that's like god dang the death of donut okay there we go now we got it all buckled it is cold hi everyone welcome we're doing it's a boy kevin's back kevin it's been what a year how long ago maybe i don't know a year and a half it's been yeah at least a year we had just moved into this house i think right that wasn't true i don't know yeah something like that i'm drawing blanks drawing blanks it was good to have you back buddy we actually see you did we accidentally ran into

each other yeah the b The Boston live show. We're like halfway through our second string of the live tour and we're heading to Boston. Or excuse me. Yeah, yeah. We were heading to Boston from Atlanta. And then I see a guy across the bar. I was like, damn, that guy kind of looks like Kevin. And then we do the whole like Spider-Man meme.

Like, hey, wait, oh, it is Kevin. Where are you coming back from? Well, General Herrera. God damn it. Africa. So, yeah, we were just flying back from Africa. We were doing some, you know, testing, hunting, shooting, good times. Very nice.

It was weird to run into you guys all at the ball. Well, it was not strange to run into you guys all at the well it was not strange to run you at the bar but at the airport on the same place yeah so it's cool we might yeah you missed the boston show you're like i'm going and then we started day drinking morning drinking let's be honest and then fly drinking and then landing and then you were pretty spent after that well i think so but we'd been hunting in africa i'd been in africa for probably six or seven weeks and then landing and then you were pretty spent after that well i think so but we'd been hunting in africa i'd been in africa for probably six or seven weeks and then the flight's very long put that right yeah the mic is uh the mic is closer now treat it like a dick

now we're good yeah there we go thank you um yeah so no it was i was so hyped to see you guys i want to come down to the boston show we did halfway, when I land in Boston, it's an hour to my house. And halfway there, I'm falling asleep. And I'm like, ah, I've been traveling for like 36 hours. There's no way I'm going to Boston until 2 in the morning. No hurt feelings on that one. Fuck that travel. So I apologize.

But I really wanted to see you guys, but not that badly. Yeah, same. Dude, the traveling is so taxing. It seems like an easy thing. You're like, oh, you're only landing and talking to people and then flying and landing. Everyone is dead by night three. That shit cooks you. Well, yeah, that.

When I come home from Africa, it's a fly from the ranch three hours to johannesburg and land and go through all the there to go through the airport with guns and all things then fly 17 hours to atlanta and then land in atlanta go through all that shit again then fly two and a half hours to boston and then drive an hour it's a pain in the ass. It's worth it. It's like titties. It's worth it. I ain't flying that far for titties. Well, you're just not committed to being heterosexual. You're fucking kidding. This guy wouldn't fly 17 hours for tits.

See? See what I mean? That'd be fucking miserable. Fuck. But we had a really good day today. Just warning, this is going to be a very autistic episode with just fine. Brandon's so hyped for it. We tried to get experience here, but holy fuck.

It is very rare to have a firearm actually just surprise the shit out of you like that. From the weight to the recoil to the sound. We were side by side shooting machine guns all suppressed without ear pro. And it was. Your rifle caliber machine. Yeah. Which rifle was this? Well, before we say that it's like

at first when you started complimenting it i was very touched but i was like wait you expected it to suck or not be great and it's like you know who the fuck i am no so it's the boom box and then we were shooting uh a contract version of the Honey Badger that's select fire and only subsonic. And, oh, they are so good. The boys did a good job. They are dialed. And you're like, how much do those weigh? Well, the Honey Badger is probably four and a half pounds.

And the boom box with the 12-inch barrel is under six. No, how heavy are they, Mitch? 5.5. What about the 12-inch barrel is under 6. No, how heavy are they, Mitch? 5.5. 5.5? What about the 8-inch gun? Just 5. So 5 pounds, but takes a.308 mag. And, I mean, you guys felt it.

8.6. I mean, those are big, heavy bullets. And how easier is that gun to shoot? I, just for reference, i held it out with one hand it was just going like that yeah but look you work out but it is like uh fucking uh finn he got behind the gun yeah he's like is it like what's it gonna shoot so he's like oh my god it is a 22 the the five bucks yeah like the eight six what so to anybody who may not know what is the boombox yeah like the 86 what so to anybody who may not know what is the boombox well it's all my idea design and hard work

humble i too am extraordinarily there you go it's flipping my it's just the greatest gun ever you know we did the boom or the honey badger a long time ago, and that was to replace the MP5. So a 9mm sub-gun with rifle capability, but still as quiet with subsonic ammo as, like, the MP5SD. And so what the Boombox is is the next generation of that, in my opinion. It's an AR-15 size, a lightweight AR-15. It takes a.308 mag, and it's in 8.6 blackout, a cartridge we developed. So, you know, a 6.5 Creedmoor case with a.338 bullet in it. So you can have a 400-grain subsonic bullet or down to 160-grain supersonic.

So you can shoot people at 600 meters or with subsonic to 300 meters and it's slightly slightly larger and heavier than the honey badger and it just the operating system that mitch did and worked on for several years now it's you're shooting that ground and it feels like you're shooting an mp5 but it's i don't know what 30 40 percent lighter than an mp5 so it's it's pretty remarkable i mean i think it's like what all the things we try to do you know is like i was telling them today i want we we only have production and sell guns to fund the r&d that we want to do it's a dude it's the level of slap you cannot say how hard it was hitting that uh the hostage target you know the floating head yeah it fucking slaps that motion you had like the

dueling tree like the spinners it would smack one at the very top and all of them would just shake and jostle like on the entire tree and it feels like australia it feels like you're shooting like a 45 i i don't get impressed by many guns anymore you know that is just you know you shot everything under the sun and it's just like oh like that's cool like certain things can be cool but they don't really impress you very much i was impressed oh thank you it is quiet but how big the round is i mean you're shooting out of a 308 magazine it is probably especially in full auto I was blown away that was more controllable in full auto than some 556 guns I've shot and still lighter than a lot of the 556 guns yeah you're holding Ontario there's 20 rounds you could hold down and we were like 30 yards how far were we 20 years probably about 30

yards yeah 30 yards all full auto, and they all hit the steel. And it is very loud. The only loud part is the steel getting smacked. Yeah, it's really loud. Well, thank you guys so much. I mean, I know we're all so proud of it at our place, and especially, you know, with my attitude. But, you know, I expect us to do stuff that no one else has done,

and I expect us to be awesome. But it is is no matter my expectation when you go to the range and you shoot it that's where the proof is right and then other guys like you guys that know guns and shoot a lot when you're that excited about it when you shoot and it's because it is different and you can't fucking fake it you know it's like it looks like an ar it's just not everything on it is different. It's years out of Mitch's life and a lot of the other engineers that helped him work on it. And it's the only way you get there. You can't fake it.

You have to do all of the work. And it's a pain in the ass. Getting that last little 5% that makes the gun that special to when you pick it up and shoot it, you know it's different. That's all the hard work. And that's even something as simple as the charging handle mitch you were talking about like even something that they had to walk that and that was one of the hardest pieces correct yeah it was difficult but just a setback that we didn't want to waste time on but it had to be correct charging hand like

shit you just don't think i was like well it needs to seal i'm assuming it's to seal better well actually no just to keep it latched and in place because the gun is so light it's very high recoil for a lightweight platform high recoil liar initially yeah then how soft does it shoot you know and i mean it's one of those rare things where you have ultra-lightweight and compact, very shootable, low-recoiling, easy to control. It doesn't make any sense. But again, the only way you get there is just devote years to going that extra little bit.

It's like the triangle where it's like you have low-reco recoil, lightweight, and heavy caliber, and normally you can pick any two. Yeah, I agree. But you can't get all three, and that somehow has all three, and that was the coolest part, I think, to me. Yeah, I think it is too. I think it's all a testament to really our engineering department and the hard work and just the dedication of we are going to do this,

no matter how hard it is, and as long as i can afford to pay everyone every month like we're going to go until the gun's right you know and we've said before we could have we could have shipped it a year and a half or two years before we did but the gun is so much better waiting so not having you know is the guy that owns the company i get to make the decision, right? And it's, I would rather wait and it'd be awesome. Cause you know, I want that HK reputation to where if we put something out, you're going to buy it, you're going to know it's good, you know, and that takes a long time to develop that reputation, but we can't compromise for like quick money today. And every gun that we do, every new project has to be better than the last one we did,

no matter how good it was. And that's how we're going to earn it, you know and i feel it now i mean we all do at the company now and we've got 17 engineers at a company our size which is pretty incredible and you know i mean which causes me not to get a pay raise ever but it's it's it's it's a great thing you know like i much prefer like what we're doing and to win than you know just the money today like i don't ever want to not work so i have to own the company because i'm probably unemployable and i have to control the company because then we can make those decisions you know you don't have finance running the business and saying shit we got this much money invested we

got to get a return now you know investors like I don't have investors saying that shit to me. It's like we were talking about earlier. Anytime a founder leaves or sells a company or dies, things start going to shit. Because as soon as you leave that stuff up to a board, they're not here for what will this company be in 10 years. They're usually here for how do I show the best Q3 return. Margins.

I want margins. And you're saying you have that margins. And you get that, and you're saying you have that 17, and that's it. And then the engineers are out at the range with us having a blast. But these, they are like breaking down the gun of like,

hey, we need to refine it. We need to make it better. And instead of like a AAA studio where it's like, but that's close enough. We'll fix it as we release Gen 2, Gen 3. You guys are like, no, make it perfect as it releases. And then you guys are, anyone that's close enough. We'll fix it as we release Gen 2, Gen 3. You guys are like, no, make it perfect as it releases.

And then you guys are, anyone that's watching this, it's like, we can't wait to buy one right now. They're fucking backlogged. Yeah. They're like, how many backlogged right now? There's thousands at this point. It's a good fucking place to be. Yeah, and it was shocking to us, really.

We know the gun's awesome, but it's, you know, MSRP on the gun is $4,400. Without the suppressor. without the suppressor without the suppressor it's like how many can we actually sell on the commercial market and then you know this is the beginning of the gun because this is just 86 blackout 12 inches all we have out now but there's an eight inch you guys shot the sd today then there's hot six creedmoor 65 creeded more 308 so it's it's a whole weapons platform that we'll do because it's just a switch barrel you don't even have to did you guys see all that stuff today no we didn't take it well we broke it down and uh field stripped it but we

didn't take the barrel out okay yeah so the barrel comes out it's not a traditional ar with the barrel nut and everything so you can just switch it to a different caliber sort of like you know you came with a scar i did not know that so but a much better system and um you know it's all tied to just the gun is a whole system and we're talking about it's the stiffest rail ever on a small arm so and being that lightweight so you know for the military guys with lasers and stuff like that you can't you don't you load the hand guard you're not getting poi shift with it and stuff like that. You load the handguard, you're not getting POI shift with it. And so these guys also develop the tests. Like the Geissele handguard is very stiff, and some others on the market military use.

So we had to devise the test for deflection and then return to zero of the handguard. And so we do all this testing, and we'll release it in a documentary about development of the gun. But we have to develop the fixtures and the testing. The government's not done this, so we do all this testing and we'll release it in a documentary about development of the gun but we have to develop the fixtures and the testing like the government's not done this so we do it and then we show the government and it's like yeah so this doesn't return to zero and this does and this is why this is designed this way you know a lot of people love the lmt right cool guns that one piece receiver in the board but it makes it big and heavy and it's no stiffer.

And, you know, like having engineers and doing that development and then developing these tests. And then we know, you know, Mitch, like I said today, isn't afraid to come to the range with you guys.

Cause he's done so much testing. We know what the gun is. I have a dumb question. Sure. So you've developed rounds and rifles. So the eight, six, 300,

but do you develop like the honey badger around the 300 blackout or did you develop the round and then created a rifle in regards to that does the round come first or the rifle it's a chicken or the age old question it's it's a it's a good question and what happened was 300 blackout we were asked to do it, basically take 300 whisper, and it wasn't reliable. Which I'd never heard of that round. Really? Yeah, I did not know that was a thing until you said that today. Yeah, and we did that for a special operations group here in the U.S.

Which one? The one. The best one. That was great. The best one. We'll great. The best one. Well, Terry's here. Terry just waved. Terry's just waving at the camera.

I have two children that I love a lot, and one's blue and one's green. And, you know, when the blue one's here, you say they're the best. We're not going to name names. We'll do the best. Yeah. And so they asked us to do it, we built so we did the round and basically we just need to um the problem with 300 whisper was it used 308 bullets and they were too short and too wide so the ogi was wrong and so the front rib and the ar magazine will push it to the center

and away from the feed ramps and then when the bullets are too short and doesn't take up the full magazine, they move in there and that also induces malfunction. So we needed to do bullets that were the right length and shape to feed reliably. And that was pretty much what the work engineering work was, which is hilarious because a lot of people that make 300 blackout now do the same fucking shit.

That was the problem. The first place Hornady just released 10 years after they've made the loaded the first rounds for what years 14 no fuck no 12 years after they 13 years after they loaded the first round what fucking year is it but they they just this year released the first actual 300 blackout round they're still selling 300 whisper and they put 300 blackout on the box. And then people bitch at me about it not being reliable. It's me pitching your ammo. Yeah, well, that's 300 whisper.

Like, yeah, it doesn't. So 300 blackout mags that Magpul and everyone offers, those are actually 300 whisper mags because the front rib that helps align the cartridge, half of it is cut away for the.308 bullets. So we did.300 Blackout to work flawlessly in 5.56 MAX. So if you use an actual.300 Blackout ammo, it goes in 5.56 MAX. .300 Whisper goes in.300 Blackout MAX.

So it's all fucked, right? There wasn't a standard. Anyway, we did that, and we um uppers and silencers to this organization to go on their their guns which were hk ar variant gun and so after they adopted it i go to to his brother and i say yo you know your brother just got uppers for their guns how about you and they're like, we don't need that. And so being the two groups I worked with a lot, I knew their inventory and life cycles and stuff.

And I was like, fuck you, man. You're not going to tell me. No, this is great. And so we did the Honey Badger, the first prototype, in two weeks to take to them. And I took it to them to shoot. And it's like, what the fuck is this? And it's like, well mp5 sd life cycle is up so here's like a rough prototype gun that we built for a concept we can do you can

replace that with a 300 blackout and so that became the honey badger we did a special gun for them and that's sort of how it happened and that is why a no is really a yes. Kevin Brittingham. Short answer, round first. Round first. I've been wild going from like a 9 mil to 300 blackout. Like, yo, what the fuck is this thing? Yeah, and it was almost half the weight of the MP5. Yeah. So.

Just crazy. What kind of MP5s were they using? The SD? SD, which is right at eight pounds. Metal, little. It's not light. Just crazy. What kind of MP5s were they using? The SD? SD, which is right at eight pounds. Metal, little. It's not light. Heavy bitch. And the original prototype Honey Badger with the silencer was four pounds.

So once we got to delivery, the gun was heavier. We made the silencer longer and they wanted more rail space. And so they got a little heavier heavier but still with the silencer was five pounds fucking wild wild and then brandon you yesterday can you even talk about all the audio stuff you were doing no it's a great story we recorded that out we recorded some audio for some really cool people over at drive tanks yeah and it was just really neat to be included and see oh actually to tie it in it was neat to see how a professional uh sound studio and sound engineers record audio for gunshots weapon cycling brass landing like that and that brings us back to what we first

talked about i think when we first had you on the podcast is how a lot of your collection was used for the sounds of movies like saving private ryan. Yeah, yeah, Saving Private Ryan. That's been so long now. I think that was 97. And then Black Hawk Down, Pearl Harbor, Band of Brothers. Which I just watched Black Hawk Down again on the flights when we were doing the Unsub Live tour. I always forget. It's always a couple years, and then I watch it again.

Just how good of a fucking movie that was. That's wonderful. It causes me anxiety, though. But the sounds, it's always a couple years, and then I watch it again. Just how good of a fucking movie that was. That's wonderful. Causing me anxiety, though. But the sounds, it is cool. Like, it's extraordinary. Because this was Skywalker sound that did all of the sounds for those movies. And just the detail and just length of just how difficult it was. Everything you could think of.

Shooting into all kinds of materials and then the brass and the links landing on different materials, all the bullet impacts. It was, it was pretty cool. It was, it was really neat. The, the variety that they would do, cause they had like, they, I don't know that these people are like 40 microphones out there at different distances, several attached to the different guns that were being shot. And they had like multiple channels at any point. Cause they're like, well, it's going to sound different if somebody is in a window versus next to a wall versus outside of a window versus outside, like they want all the different sounds to make sense. And I don't know.

I just appreciate when people have that kind of attention to detail because they don't have to. Let's tell you how you get the best product. I mean, watch any war movie up until Private Ryan and then watch that movie. Like the sounds scare the shit out of you in that movie. Like it's so realistic compared to every other war movie I'd seen up until then. Because in the 80s, like Rambo 2, you know, Red Dawn, like those are some of their they're great movies. Yeah. But they're 80s movies like the sound is fucking dog shit that was the first one and you've seen that you sent a photo and it's

just i was like ah there it is you get to see all the cool equipment into like one single sound and that is tens of thousands of dollars to record those individual sounds and the level of detail they go and it's and those those guys are masters of their craft i wish i could talk about who it was but they they are really good at it and they were like we don't get the return on investment to do this if we want to we we do it because it like fucking the love of the game they're like we want to do this you're gonna watch those guys uh if you a really good one is godzilla the 2008 or whatever one a recent one of course you bring this to godzilla dude the sound design into it the sound design of all even the monsters were like oh well how is this thing gonna breathe um oh if we run a piece of rubber over a basketball that will be

that little sound for breathing like and then we'll slow it down foley stuff oh yeah and it's one thing it's just like hundreds of layers to get one piece of audio and you're like god dang i would have never thought just layer on layer on layer nerds man that's the people that do that shit have you always uh the 86 are they have they picked it up already to be in any of the the video games or they're just gonna snag it and then you're gonna find out you know i did work with infinity war that does some of the call of duties back a dozen years ago but i i don't know what's happened there but you know they stopped calling it the honey badger and it wasn't because of me like of course i wanted to use the name honey badger but they

changed all the names and i can actually tell you why on that one. So this is at least to my understanding of it, from what I've been able to pick apart. I think that they were named as a plaintiff. One of the people that was sued after one of the school shootings, because, you know, it's not the shooter's fault. It's obviously the fault of whoever made the gun,

who made the ammo. I think at one time they sued the, whoever made the gun safe. Nothing hits like playoff hockey. The road to the cup starts on FanDuel. You're home for live bets. All playoffs long. the ammo. I think at one time they sued whoever made the gun safe. game with live overtime markets download fan do it today and get more playoff action with north america's number one sportsbook please play responsibly 19 plus and physically located in ontario if you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you please contact connects ontario 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge but they stored their guns in and they're suing the violent video games and they're gonna sue every fucking person under the sun but it was enough that call of duty's attorneys were scared

shitless and so they were like they didn't want to be seen as working or collaborating with gun companies from that point yeah um because i know i did it originally and so i still had that relationship when i went to sig when i worked at sig and they were absolutely against i could not work with a video game company because they were they were right of marketing to children was what you know sig told me oh well i guess if you're an attorney that makes sense yeah if you're a lame ass attorney yeah because what led to the development of the 86 uh you know it's i mean seriously it is yeah i mean it's bigger better like it kills better yeah and you know have you seen it i'm not in person do we have one in here it's fucking rad if we can compare it to like a five five six or anything but yeah always trying to do something that like the guys don't even know they need yet

or they don't know it exists. And not waiting for solicitations, trying to develop product for them to make solicitations around. Like I spend half my life hunting now. I go to Africa six months a year and all I do is kill shit all the time. And part of that is like, I want my buddies to have the best chance possible to go do their stuff and all come home. And so we think about that constantly.

And the good part of that is not everybody hunts, right? But there's self-defense or home defense and all this. And it doesn't really discriminate if it's a 200-pound whatever. 200-pound anything. Insert. A lot of shit weighs 200 pounds. lot does name that pokemon i just ask because it feels it feels like not many not many companies or people are like in round development no we probably actually do more than a lot of ammo comes here's the thing we want to build the system you know and it's not that we want to develop cartridges like just like i don't

want to design a trigger you know just like i don't want to design a trigger you know because then i don't want to have to spend two years doing drop test but if what's needed doesn't exist then it's an opportunity for us and i think too the best thing i've done in my career is surround myself with very good people and manipulate them into getting on the bus with me and doing the thing that I want. You know, like, I want to accomplish this thing that I can't, that I've got to have all these nerds do it.

But, yeah, but then it's the real thing. And so I have to keep them engaged. Like, Mitch is a real smart kid, but, oh, my my lord that engineering department those geeks so but trying what you realize when you get to a certain level developing guns or silencers

or whatever the thing is what you really want is the whole system and if I'm not controlling the ammo you know or if we don't make the magazine it's the most vital part of the gun a lot of times.

And so it just sort of, I don't know, you get halfway down the road and you either turn around or you got to go all the way. Yeah, one thing leads to another type thing. Can I see one of those 8.6s though? But seeing how successful the 300 blackout was, but knowing we could, the theory of that whole thing is good, but we could do better.

Yeah, there's a 300 blackout and an 86. Connor, that's a 300 blackout, which is more your AK, your 7.62 variant. Or your 5.56. Oh, there's a 5.56 right here. Yeah, actually. That would be a great comparison. And that's an 86 blackout. Holy.

And that's one of them expanded. Yeah, the expanded looks fucking crazy we have five five six three hundred blackout and eight that's eight six yeah and it's just as quiet as 300 blackout but that's after it's been pulled out of an animal that will fuck your bitch yeah that thing is just rotating and now it's more crazy is your standard a is probably like one eight one eleven twist rate right oh we get to talk about six yeah i know so you're looking at or one eleven so you're looking at every eleven eleven ten inches it will rotate a single

time and then you guys were like no let's keep the speed at 900 tepsonic but let's just rotate it every three inches it rotates and then you have this fucking rotating once it opens up at that speed so you have a drill bit there's a lot of good things to the fast twist um you know the the bullets will expand on impact now rather than being six inches inside of something. And yeah, you think about that turning. If, if a human is 15 inches here to here,

like a grown man, you know, if it's a one in 10 twist, by the time the bullet expands, it's going to have one rotation inside the body. So that cutting serves, but that's the bullet. But the one in three,

it turns five times. That's the bullet. Holy hell. Yeah. It looks like you're putting a blender next to somebody it is and the fast twist is actually like having high speed on a blender a bullet next to a five five six round holy hell just the bullet next to it i explained it poorly on a previous podcast but talking about like how you're able to get more energy out of it because you're doing rotational

velocity and not linear velocity yeah so we can't really create more energy out of it because you're doing rotational velocity and not linear velocity yeah so we can't really create more energy but it's more efficient use in rotational energy so a subsonic rifle cartridge it has to you can maximum let's say it's a thousand fifty feet a second generally to stay subsonic so you can't go faster in that direction but if we spin the bullet faster, you have to stop a bullet going this way and this way. And the rate of decay of rotational velocity is much slower than linear velocity. And people don't think about like a 16-inch.308.

It might be 2,600 feet a second or 2,500 feet a second. At the muzzle, at 850 yards, it's probably 900 feet a second well i can shoot eight six blackout i mean you would never shoot subs a thousand yards you have 160 feet of drop but you direct fire at that point yeah so so yeah but it'll be a thousand fifty feet a second at the muzzle but at a thousand yards it'll be 900 feet a second so yeah it's faster than 308 supersonic once you get to like 800 yards like linear velocity so subsonic bullets don't slow down that's why you get really good penetration with them and the fast twist also helps with penetration just like think about a drill bit you speed it up fast so like we'll get you know that probably shot a zebra and probably

got 30 inches of penetration or was well it didn't pass through because we were covering it. I shoot Cape Buffalo with it. Subsonic. Subsonic, yeah. And they drop, I'm assuming, pretty quick. Well, I will say I just shot one with sub a week ago. It was four shots into it within a couple seconds at about 40 yards and it was dead 30 yards from where i shot it and probably less than a minute and for a cape buffalo like that's

the most durable animal you hunt on the planet out of curiosity i know it's not designed for that but how does it do on armor well this is this is the first time, too, there's subsonic armor piercing. What? Come again? There's subsonic armor piercing. Against what? What kind of armor are you able to penetrate with it? Well, we'll see once it's all done.

Oh, shit. Redacted. But, you know, that's never happened, and it's so quiet. Like, you guys shot it and heard it. You think about being able to pop somebody at 200 yards with that and penetrate armor so there's a there's a lot we can do with that i'm speech i mean think about like the nano explosive stuff with that there's so much you know capacity in a bullet that size that's's a lot of payload. A lot of payload. So it's a new capability, right?

The bullet is the size of a.223. I'm trying to figure out where do you put the powder? Around it. That's fucking crazy. But literally, the bullet is the size of the fucking cartridge. Yeah. Again, it's slapping. it is somebody a human just punching those steel plates as hard as possible and you know we had to do the whole system because we needed 308 size mags to get this cartridge because we wanted everything shot 99.9 of everything shot on the planet in any

capacity is inside 300 meters so the goal was what's the most badass thing we can do for 300 meter so we want 300 meter subsonic and so ar10s traditionally like a 308 size gun are big and heavy 10 pounds yeah so the problem was the gun and then also the ammo so we developed the ammo but it had to be a compact lightweight gun so for clarification's sake you develop the boom box around eight six yes okay yeah the mini well the fix you were like okay six then let's do this now with so you develop the rifle around it yeah like we love 300 blackout but it's but when you think in terms of replacing a submachine gun, it's incredible. When you start to see how useful it is, but then it limits.

With subsonic for 300 blackout, it's really 100 meters, and supersonic is really 300 meters. We need more than that, and so this is that answer. I remember talking to you about this probably two or three years ago. I was with all of my employees. Like once a year we do like a lake house, like vacation essentially just like a week off. We just fuck off somewhere often, uh, some lake house in Indiana.

Hey, and, uh, it was, it was a couple of years ago and we were talking about it and we were just on speaker with my boys and we were just kind of talking back and forth because a lot of my like more engineer minded uh employees and and you were describing 86 and like quietly around the phone it was like the fucking joe

rogan meme of like oh this is gonna be dope when it's out and i mean sure enough it's fucking dope so it's it's cool it's cool thank you you know i love it because us doing things that are unsolicited or whatever it's amazing within our industry when we started out doing this and we talked about what it was going to do and then talk about the boom box like people who should know better like didn't believe it mock us like i don't fucking care that's fine we'll see you in a couple years but i you know i love it but yeah i mean it is i mean when i saw you guys shoot today and you guys look at each other it's like you can't fake that like you guys aren't that smooth

like if you're like oh it's just another, whatever. I think you just call the actors. Well, I wouldn't say, I would say like Red Dawn. Oh, okay. I can live with that. It was one of those who braided down just like, holy fuck. Especially the full auto. The full auto. That fucked me up for a minute.

Instantly, we were like. Well, one of the things you said earlier that kind of stuck with me was the fact that like, well, 300 blackout was of course like solicited. It was something that somebody asked you to make, you made it. And then you, you did the honey badger with it and everything. The thing that got me about eight,

six, you were like, we wanted to make something that nobody was asking for yet, but it was going to be so good that they would, they didn't know they wanted it until we make it kind of thing. And it reminded me a lot of the, uh, like the Henry Ford.

He was like, I just made what I thought was great because if I asked the people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse, your horse or Steve jobs with the iPhone, you know, like that, that wasn't like easy for him.

I mean, I think the original ones, what they do, he would let whoever have an exclusive if they wouldn't change the phone because everybody wanted buttons and shit on he's like no you guys are stupid like the whole world is stupid you don't need buttons and now no he was just so right and i don't think it's at that level but you know we have a lot of experience and we've been fortunate that during a time you know in our nation when guys were shooting lots of people you know we're starting to mature in our jobs and had the opportunity to

work with them and just learn a lot and you start to see and over time it's like rather than just responding to these guys you understand what they're doing and it's like okay what's the thing they really need like because you know most of the guys they don't understand from our perspective just like we don't understand from theirs but once you have that relationship and you start working it's like they say they want this but we think you know they want this but we think we can get it here and you know it's also good like i don't ask the government to fund my stuff because then i control it i don't you know and then at the end it's like we have this awesome thing and you know, it's also good. Like, I don't ask the government to fund my stuff because then I control it. And I don't, you know. And then at the end, it's like we have this awesome thing.

And, you know, you guys want to be really good, then you use this. It's so dope. Yeah, it's good. Turns out shit's easy to sell when it's the best. Yeah, there's always room for the best. How big is your entire team? Like, you have your 17 engineers, but then outside of that with everyone? The company is around 90 employees.

That's fucking wild. I'm good, bro. Dude, 90 employees. And you have dialed in employees. So, like, you have, like, hey, we want the top in the trade for this. Well, you know, it's always a struggle, right? And I think, like, I love our people, like people in general. And for us, you know, it's always hard as you grow, whether it's anything.

You have a team. Some people grow with it and some don't. And, you know, that becomes hard. But I think it's like our responsibility. We want to be all stars. We want to be the best in the world. So we can't have average motherfuckers at our place. And they might be standout when we're here, but they're average here.

And, you know, we want to, you know, I don't want to just hire from the outside. Like, I want to grow our employees and see everybody have awesome lives. Like, I love going to work every day. And this will be my 32nd year in a month from now. Damn. And I still wake up every day. Can't wait to fucking get to work.

With that being said, I'm in Africa half town. So, but it's probably better for them. But, um, so dialed in, you know,

and every department doesn't grow at the same rate cause we don't focus on it the same. And then so, you know, you have some careers or some parts of the business where that particular job is no one's passion or dream but they love our company and the culture and so you know it's never a problem to motivate the engineers and they're very spoiled i don't turn them down for money for anything if we if i have the money they can have it for whatever they want but you know half

the time it's convincing them to go home or go see their women or whatever you know you liar yeah they don't know women a couple of engineers engineer with a woman you know all right i believed you on the stats before that. No, but it's true. I mean, but I think it's a dream. You know, when we start, we're almost nine years old. And when we, you know, first five years, it's hard to recruit people because we're new and they might not think it's stable. But now we've had enough success. I can recruit anyone in our industry.

Like there's not an engineer I can't hire from any company in our industry. I bet they're fighting to be part of that team because like how is it on your side you'd love it yeah how long have you been with q now beginning and yet exactly that's fucking wild what would it take for you to go work at another gun company if you went to another no pressure but your boss is watching no i'm not that way you know but yeah i mean i think it's true and that's not always the thing but you see it now and it's like i'm their biggest cheerleaders like i believe in them more than they do generally it's hard finding like employers or employees where you're trying to find that level of like dedication and motivation where they're

they rally around each other, and then they're the ones that's pushing the envelope, working hard. And it sets the standard for the entire team, so you get to see individuals like yourself are fucking killing it. And then all the engineers are pretty much on the same level as what? Like work ethic and everything? I think their culture, like the three or four senior guys, Mitch being one, they're just full of grit.

They don't, like me, we're not taking no for an answer. We're going to get it done, and it takes sacrifice if you want to be badass. And they've created that culture. Our guys, they do everything. They run machines. They don't have to, but they do. They all know how. I our guys they do everything they run machines you know they don't have to but they do they all know how they I mean they do everything themselves they they're gonna be part of testing like right now I fight with him some because I want parts of the boom box and our vision for him to pass some of it off to a junior guy under him and like that's hard for him he's

like fuck no you're too autistic but you know that's what you want the guys to you know it's like he's so proud of it and it's his baby and you know you want them to feel that way um but yeah you know i love marketing and i love engineering like the development i don't like business and operations and all that, so I try to stay out of that. But us hiring a real CEO and him being focused on that, and I see the improvements in our production. And I understand now that's what really funds all of our stuff. So I've got a passion for that too.

Let's get the best people in there that care about the product that they're doing, and they're part of the qc process and so now i'm sort of you know i appreciate it more now i'm more mature i appreciate it and support them and like the people that work in our factory that do the assembly and all that i go talk to everyone every day i do everything i can for them because you know you don't want them to leave i don't want them to leave for two dollars more an hour i want them to turn down jobs for two dollars more an hour to be at our place you know that takes effort on my part you know it's it's like that's my day i just walk around talk to everybody figure out if anything's going on then push our leadership to hey you know this is sort of going on or this department is lagging behind some of the others

we need to focus on that how many total employees do you have right now about 90 he said that when you got up and made a drink idiot when you brought up south africa earlier so is your is your your company's based in the states or when you're in south africa what are you doing um testing testing but yeah i hunt so i damn when i shoot it in the head it dies scribbles notes it's a great time but you know it started i never it's just a rude sketch of a zebra with x's eyes but i never hunted until uh we did 300 blackout. And then I wanted to like, so I had a farm in North Georgia. And so I started shooting deer, testing bullets. And that sort of led to the hunting, which I'm passionate about now.

But it's still, I mean, 90% of my hunting to some degree is testing our stuff. A lot of it the last few years has been 8.6. Because, you know, as people, you know, the hunting crowd the last few years has been eight six because you know as people it's like you know the hunting crowds like every other crowd right it's like oh it's unethical to shoot something with subsonic and it was like well maybe back in the day doing this but what we're doing but it's also it takes some motherfucker to go out there and do it before you know it like you only know it because some dude you know that wasn't ordinary 50 years ago went and did this and now that's the standard and that's what you're just regurgitating yeah so you know we're trying

to do new shit and somebody like i'm not gonna tell you know 30 year old terry oh trust me take this into combat it's gonna be fine you know until i've killed stuff with it so i don't know i do that and i leave the company alone so i think me being there half the time is good because like i'm generally very driven and it's it's hard for me uh to see things not happen and you know and i forget like this is just consumed my entire life for 32 years and you know i don't necessarily want all my guys to have my life, like the not great part of it. Like my personal life's never been awesome.

And it's like, well, this is all I do. And so if I'm there, you know, I think it's not good for the company. So I'm there half the time. And then I go away for half time and it gives them these guys time to,

you know, there's some development process and I can come back and see the results. And the company just outgrew me, you know, and like I'm good at motivating and it's good for me to be involved in picking products and working with the engineers. And it's good for me. I think marketing wise, I've always had a knack for it. And the rest of the company, I was trying to stay the fuck out of it. You know, I like talking to the people, all the employees every day, I go around and say hello to everyone because I don't want to

be blind to things either. So if they have some issue or something and they're telling their manager and it's not getting conveyed up the chain and there aren't changes happening, that pisses me off. So I want every employee to have access to me if it gets to you know a situation where something could be improved but somebody's too lazy to do it or whatever comms are like the most like pivotal part of business yeah really mean it's like everyone as long as you're communicating say hey i have an issue here and that is actually brought to the proper people shit gets fixed it does Then you have the other side, which is nothing happens.

And you're like, fuck! I mean, I think what it does is highlights to me a supervisor that isn't doing the right thing for what I want for the company and the employees and the customers. And, you know, like I said, average is not good enough. Like, being good at your job

is not good enough to work at my company. And it doesn't mean you start out knowing everything, but you got to have that commitment and willing to sacrifice and grind. And you want to fucking be the best. You want to be proud. I mean, you know, I can think of some girls that work in production. Like they don't fucking shoot and all, but they're so proud of what we do. And they're proud that, you know, like a girl that works in production.

Now I can think i've came to work about a year ago for us and she was at sig for several years and you know what she says to me is she doesn't care about guns but she loves the production work and doing it and it bothered her a lot at sig that they would ask her to ship things with parts she knew weren't right. And, you know, that's not a thing at my place. I don't care who it is. QC finds it, you know, the people in production find it, and, you know, bring it to the engineer's attention.

If it's not right, we just don't ship guns that month. You know, and that's another advantage of me not owing anybody money and me controlling the company. You know, I can say, okay, well, I just won't get paid this month and brandon when you're working with you're like on the ak-50 how was that like handing off your baby to have you have a fantastic autistic shop also again they're just like living and breathing firearms no complaints i've got no i got a fucking awesome team like we all have the same kind of brand of tism in that way and uh it's it's unfortunately a necessity a fucking awesome team. Like, we all have the same kind of brand of tism in that way. And it's unfortunately a necessity, especially with what I do and, like, the way that we live.

It's like so much of it is content and having to make videos and things that pay for everything, that pay for the R&D, that pay for the CNC, that pay for all this stuff. Like, I can't be there every day, all day. So I have to have people that I trust. And I'm thankful to have a team that I do trust. But I actually wanted to bring that background funny you mentioned that because we have a running joke in the shop that we fucking hate engineers

so much so that we have Chase I'll send this to you it's the thing we've got up on the wall we were given eyes not to judge others but to spot the stupid engineer a mouth not to criticize but to call the engineer a dumbass ears not to eavesdrop but to eat hands not to criticize but to call the engineer a dumbass ears not to eavesdrop but to eat hands not to fight but to kill engineers and it's funny because like one of the

things that you'd mentioned before that i really liked is you said that the engineers are part of every part of the process because what starts that animosity against engineers from the guys on the ground is when you have engineers that are designing shit who have no practical experience that don't know how to machine stuff that don't know how to assemble things that basically make impossible shit to put together in real life porsche and to have engineers involved in like the machining the assembly the the the testing is really fucking cool yeah i mean i hold them accountable for everything ultimately because they're the smartest guys at the place and did you know that when we started the company for the first two or three years the engineers who designed the fix they did all the drawings for

the parts they sourced the parts they qc'd the parts they assembled all the guns they developed all the assembly fixturing and then they shot all of them for accuracy on paper five shot groups oh yeah and so that is so ridiculously like irresponsible financially for me in the short term right and but long term we have a product that is so superior and then when we start hiring assembly people very quickly they can build guns just as good as the engineers can because, you know, the engineers are lazy in some ways, so they'll build fixtures quick to help on the assembly ship. And what's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully

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Like, I don't like the way SIG did their engineering. Because I think all these memes and jokes from machinists and guys that do that kind of work, they hate engineers. Because the engineers sit in their little office and design something. And they don't fucking talk. Yeah, but like, Mitch is a machinist. He knows what the fuck can be made. So is Ethan. So they don't fucking talk. Yeah, but Mitch is a machinist. He knows what the fuck can be made. So is Ethan.

So is Nick. They know. And then... Makes such a difference. That little thing. Like V-dubs, like German engineering on cars. When you actually go to take apart your car, it becomes a fucking frustrating point.

Jesus fucking Christ. Yes. An American car. A coolant line burst. It cost me $10 in a parking lot at AutoZone to fix it. I had a coolant line burst in my Volkswagen. It cost $600 in two weeks to fix

it. That's ridiculous. Even though we're on two radically fucking different scales with what we're doing uh there's not a single guy at my shop that doesn't know how to build an ak even though like even if there's no just like dedicated like no it's awesome engineering spot it's like everybody does kind of a little bit of everything or at least knows how to and i think that helps so fucking much so much but also you know like i can't demand that quality control and production

and machining respect the engineers you know they can only command it by like being a part of it and so that's a great part of the relationship i it's so rare that i have ever had anyone at the company in the departments be like this fucking engineers if they would do this and get off their ass because if there's any issue because it's actually separate them because they're so involved the engineers are so involved in every part of the company because they're the smartest people and they've been there from the beginning they know how to do everything that i actually got them their own we moved into a new building three years ago within six months i got the engineers their own building separate geographically like three miles apart they have their own machine shop their

own everything so everybody leave them alone so they can design stuff. But if there's a problem, it probably happens once a day at a company our size. There's a problem in production or QC or whatever, and you don't blink before two of the engineers are over at the building looking at it and being involved. None of them sit behind a desk on their ass all the time. And if you have that mentality, you cannot work at our place. I think Elon Musk has the same thing. I can't remember if it was Tesla or SpaceX.

I think it was SpaceX where he said that the engineers weren't separated in their own area. They were on the fucking assembly floor. He's like, you're behind a fucking curtain while they're blasting Def Leppard out on an assembly line, and then you've got a row of dudes at computers. It was just that integrated because they talked to each other. I think that makes a huge difference on every level is that everyone's blending in together. Now, hey, this doesn't

make sense why you get to see it really quick. It's like, oh, let's fix that and roll out. No. God, I love it. I fucking love that. That is like the perfect business model is like everyone's just crushing life and you're just dedicated to the crap versus hand it off make your money and then you'd watch quality control go to shit like yes a year but when he's trying me i'm like what do i think i could sell the company for right now but no it is a new plane yeah i mean i think i should be way richer than i am

but i have all these 17 children that i take care of uh but no i mean for business wise i mean i think it's why we're all so passionate about it and mitch wouldn't leave. You couldn't get Nick or Ethan to leave. Any of the key people. They wouldn't take other jobs anywhere. They just wouldn't. My guys might leave. Your guys probably would. They see you balling out with the Rolls Royce.

Oh, yeah. Rolls Royce, for sure. That screams me right there. I saw it. I saw you getting out of it today. Brendan rolled up in a diamond-encrusted Tesla today. Wild. Actually, when I was in Texas, up until like three or four years ago,

I was driving around in the fucking $3,000 flooded out Dodge 2500. You remember that? Holy shit, you drove here in that piece of shit. Yeah. I forgot about that. It was a flood car. It had no functioning AC. Radio didn't work.

I remember driving down to Florida at one point. My AC was I rolled the windows down, and I had a free water from McDonald's that I was pouring on myself to stay cool. This is like that white chick that tried to pretend she was black. I don't believe this shit at all. Eli was there for you. You probably remember that. You would have an afro if that was the situation. He pulled up during the winter storm in Texas.

Like the San Antonio, like we are shut down storm. He pulled up and then you tried to leave and then you walked back in like two hours later like yeah we were yeah it's not going anywhere we're just going to stay here we got re-snowed in that night I forgot you drove in on that

we drove in on the night of the big snowpocalypse literally as we got to Houston the first snow started to fall got snowed in that night and we had three days in San Antonio. By the time we made it to San Antonio, we were snowed in. This brand new

house I just got. Fucking no food in the refrigerator. No nothing. All the stores are closed. And no power. Three days. Shout out to Texas. They have their priorities in line. The liquor stores were open. That was the only thing that was open. You can forget about all the other stuff.

I mean, you can forget you're hungry if you drink it. Yeah, I was just about to say, I'm not hungry. I got whiskey. Yeah, I mean, it's calories are calories, man. So about a week ago, I was hunting, and so my tracker's name is Whitey. I post him a lot on my Instagram. And occasionally I get some little Karen bitch send me some message about how racist I am because I'm calling him Whitey. And I'm like, he had that name 40 years before I got to Africa. Shut up.

You named him Kevin. What a rude nickname, Kevin. We have a fridge in the cruiser and he's supposed to keep drinks and some snacks and stuff in it and uh the other day

it was a late afternoon the hunt's kinda over and I'm like hey Whitey man hand me a snack what'd you have

out of the cooler and he just hands me a bottle of Jack Daniels he's like I said snack and he says whiskey he even got to pack the snacks

I was like he gets it that's why he got the essentials yeah He's like, I said snack. He says whiskey. He even had to pack the snacks. I was like, he gets it. That's why he's my man. He's like, you might be hungry, but you can forget in half a bottle, my man. Holy shit. We need to schedule still next year all of us going out to Africa and hunting with you and just document that entire experience. Just thinking Kevin doesn't get the shakes if he doesn't eat his peanuts tears his no we keep saying africa whereabouts in africa do you hang out my house is in south africa in the

eastern cape in the in the mountains um a couple hours north of port elizabeth and then i've got a beach house in a town called impeququenny which is um between East London and uh Port Alfred on the Indian Ocean and but I hunt all over sort of West African Southern Africa yeah because I heard you bounce up to like Tanzania and yeah so just I was just in Cameroon a few months ago on a hunt. And it's cool. The more I'm there, people contact me to see the hunting stuff. They'll be like, oh, how dangerous is it in South Africa? And I'm like, I live in New Hampshire, and I don't have locks on my house in Africa.

You thinking South Africa is dangerous? It's Johannesburg or Durban or whatever. It's like any big city in the world. There's like shit neighborhoods, but like where I live, there's not a town for an hour. It's the safest place on the planet. But so what it's done is like,

I have this love affair now with like wild Africa. Yeah. Like where you'll be 12 hours from a town and you know, or you're in Cameroon or the Congo or somewhere and like it is dangerous, but I'm like, I love it. This is my place. You know,

it's fun. Like Africa is just different, man. I'm telling you, you guys are so fortunate. I'm so proud of y'all. Honestly, it will change your lives.

Go into Africa for a week. I swear it is. If I didn't have the company and the employees that I love, I would never come back. And I love America. Like, I'm not hating on America. I fucking love it here. But I am so free in Africa, and it's just, I don't know how to explain it.

I mean, Terry's been all over the world, too, and had an awesome life. It's just a whole different world. It's like the U.S. in the 30s and 40s when you just had freedom. And you could do what you want. People were awesome. And the danger doesn't come from the people. The danger comes from the environment. You can drink raw milk.

So you can drink raw milk there. Out of a goat. But it is, and it's beautiful. It's like where I live. My house is on the side of a mountain and 6,000 feet elevation behind it. It's just every view is incredible. And the property that I live on, there's 25 species of game that you can hunt that free range there. So like you, I can drive, drive you around for a day and you'll see 500 animals in the wild. Like it's unbelievable.

So even within Africa, even within South africa where i live is the best place in the world for free range hunting and diversity of species and it's just so beautiful i mean i'm there for a week and i mean i catch myself all the time we'll be glass in the mountainside looking for animals and stuff and i just like start daydreaming looking around and i'm like i am the luckiest guy in the fucking world like why don't more people do this like i just made a conscious decision a few years ago that you know you think about okay you build a company the thing to do is sell it and i'm like well like building companies hard you know i've done it twice it's it's difficult and i don't mind being uncomfortable which i think i didn't realize but as time's gone on i have a lot of employees over time and it's like I'm okay being more uncomfortable than a lot of people.

And I also know I'm never going to starve to death in America. You can't starve to death in America. It's easy. No, you can't. You can't starve to death in America unless you want to. But in Africa, there's a consequence. You can. There's no safety nets. Norica there's a consequence like you can and i don't it's just so no safety nets so for no there's not nobody gives a shit which i think is the way the world should be

right like it's great out in the country the neighbors are great you know the all the the natives there the casa people are fucking wonderful it's like country people everywhere in the world they're just good And it's just so relaxing. And I just see myself there. And like kids, it's like, yeah, like America maybe in the 50s. Like kids are still kids. You know, I live on a friend of mine's family's ranch, which is hundreds of thousands of acres. And he's got, so my house is about 300 meters from his, and he has three young kids.

And when I say young i think the oldest daughter is 13 and it would be like a seven-year-old here she's still a kid she doesn't have a cell phone and you know just all this bullshit social media and things so they don't have access to the internet cell phones modern culture how will they know they're gay you know it's like the good old days you had to experiment to figure it out How will they know they're gay? It's like the good old days. You had to experiment to figure it out. You had to have that one experience in college.

Just like the good old days. I don't like that. That tasted bad. It's like Jody Plaché. He's like, I know I'm not gay'm not gay suck the dick didn't like it sort of still scratching sniff there you know um it's literally just everyone having the time of their life yeah it is but you know what i would say was i decided i don't ever want to sell my company like i don't care about like the value or whatever because my company,

I have the greatest job in the world. It provides me with so much fulfillment. Then I just decided I'm not going to. Working for retirement is fucking stupid. It's super gay. I'm just. It's not regular gay. It's the extreme.

Now kids. Oh. Yeah. But so I'm just, now I just am retired half the time. Like I go and do what I want. Because I'm never going to stop working. So who am I kidding? Yeah.

It's like my job doesn't require me to be, you know, like I'm not a Navy SEAL. I don't have to, you you know stay fit or stay young or i could be an old man still do my job and so like why would i ever stop it's so fulfilling and then so okay i'll just semi-retire now and i'll just go to africa and do all this shit and it costs me a ton of money but like i'm not gonna like what am i gonna do like retire and sit around like that's not a thing as we've talked about that many times that would be fucking the most mine a day without work is insanity we had sunday off like we landed saturday everyone was dead white boom and then sunday was like oh no work i think we had one reset day that's it and it's still like i'll answer emails and catch up on the i missed

during that and then right on monday it's back into the flow of everything i flew to africa and you're you're back at the grind and then it's like oh and 17 hours for titties as it turns out i'd go 47. full circle around the planet i mean i love titties so much i wish bitches had three we're learning kinks today i don't want to see your eyes straight to mars three titty bitches when amon takes us to mars it's gonna you're gonna fly a couple thousand hours for titties. I'm going to be the first one on the flight.

Buying a girl tits and you're like, hey, doc. Okay, she's down. Okay, I'm going to pay you extra. It's five grand. Put one in the middle. It's for me. He's going to land on the colony of Mars. Those bastards lied to me.

I want to go home. When's the next time you're going out of Brown? When do we go? When do we visit you? When's the best time to visit? I will go in, I love basically March until June and then, it depends like your tolerance

for weather. Because it snows where my house is. Like we can hunt in the snow if you come in July. Which is wild hunting African animals in the snow. So kind of mid-March to June, and then, I don't know, September, October. But any time you guys can go, we'll go. March? How's March? Weather good?

March is awesome. It's my favorite time. It's the fallow rut and my buddy's family that i live on this family's from scotland they were gifted the land by the queen 200 years ago and they brought fallow deer to scott or to south africa and they free range now and thrive in the fallow rut is so fun and you're going to hunt in america oh you get go get shoot one animal i shot 24 fallows in the rut last year and and you also got kicked on the bench i did i got kicked out of conservancy

why because i fucking get after it dude sorry i'm an overachiever you know there you know, there's a quota for animals. And, like, if I'm there first, like, I see the quota. It doesn't say quota for Kevin. It says here's the quota. Like, I paid the bill. Those families are like, I can't wait. Kill them all. But I did.

You're like the kid at the Easter egg hunt that's pushing other kids down. But at 24, they're like, we we're gonna have to have a talk what i was like well i i thought the quota was 32. well it is i was like why are we talking save some for the rest of everybody like what like i pay my bills i don't know what do you can you ship any of the meat home or is that not me no but the trophies but i i don't ship anything back what do you guys do with the meat um depends we eat a lot of it i mean it's the only source for meat there but there's a hundred person staff on the ranch because we do cattle as well and so uh we feed the. And then any that's left, like when my guys come over,

because we fucking ball and we can shoot. Drug Kevin's coming out. The last podcast is when I ball. That's exactly what I was like. Daddy's a pirate. But so there's so much excess that you're sell so there's an orphanage in the closest town to which we provide meat to but then i thought you're just gonna say you hang your trophies there no but you can so you sell it to a butcher and they sell it to restaurants and stuff

so yeah like in south africa you can eat the wild game in restaurants and get it at the butchery. That's pretty cool. So when we're there, like we might shoot, depending on what we're doing, 100 or 150 animals in a month. Oh, shit. And so it's more meat than we need for the staff and for us. So then we'll sell it and it gets consumed or we'll just feed all the staff in the valley. It's kind of cool. Whenever we go to Ox Ranch,

like sometimes at the, they're like in-house kitchen there because they'll have animals that die on property or just extra leftover or whatever you can, they have a menu there and then they, sometimes they just have wild game burger and you just ask the chef like, what's it today? And they're like, Oh,

it's zebra or you know, whatever it is. They always lie to you. Just don't even ask. It was a fucking three-day-old ostrich we found on the side of the road. Ostrich is good. Hippo's really

good. You want to shoot Modang? I do that little fucking hippo. I'm glad Cody's not here. They have dwarf hippos in Cameroon. What's that? They have dwarf hippos in Cameroon. Do they? It's so wild. Yeah, the jungle in cameroon what's that they have dwarf hippos in cameroon do they every day so wild yeah the jungle and cameroon the forest so they have little three inch long squirrels too it's crazy but that's where the pygmies live the people and so you hunt with them and like a little

80 pound pygmy man can carry 200 pounds on his back how tall is that like four six four or five i don't i don't believe you it's true there's videos how can an 80 pound man carry 200 pounds look at ants they're stronger car they're they're born and they're working by the age of two it's like you can crawl i think like what would you say like per size that they have to be the strongest people on the planet. Really? It's amazing. Yeah, like on the back of the truck, they'll reach up and grab the rack, just pull themselves up with one hand. Like a monkey or something.

They're so strong. Well, yeah. There's a video of them ripping a man apart. Oh, God, they are like monkeys. I mean, they're just so tough. So there's dwarf buffalo. There's dwarf elephant.'s a dwarf elephant so the forest elephant are half the size of regular elephants there's dwarf hippo are they way more aggressive yeah well and i don't know it's because they're small it's just the jungle is like

makes you angry oh yeah and if you're getting hunted because you're small i'm also i'm trying i'm trying to find it like they're also just super fucking skinny like i'm thinking like what what a small like four foot man would look like carrying 200 pounds it's on my instagram you can see it no shit my last time i did a forest buffalo and a bongo and so we'll walk so the the forest is so thick the paths will be very narrow and just one guy and you can't even like jump into the bush it's so thick and it's a triple canopy like jungle it's it's gnarly like it'll be 130 degrees but you never see the sun all day like once you enter the forest it's like you can't ever see the sun that's terrifying also so great every

every snake and cameroons venomous too there's like 30 species um they're watching that's the the carrying all the packing out the meat so when we were 11 kilometers and so that's six hours in and when i shot the bongo or the buffalo i can't really tell which one that is excuse me um they go there's bark that they use for the straps but they make baskets they make backpacks there when you shoot it and then the only thing they don't carry out are the stomach contents so the buffalo weighs 850 pounds the only thing they left were the stomach contents and four of them carried everything else out so you start doing the math there you go and the bongo so dude oh my god i'm gonna have to show matt when they get down on the ground you have to help them get up generally but then once they're up they just go and you can't keep up with

them so these are like geez geez, that last one. Yeah, their waist is like this big. Approximately the size of Eli. Yeah. Dude, if we get these guys on steroids and CrossFit, we will have champions. I thought when I was there. A trend out pygmy. There's this new crossfit world champs

it's like we found a whole book you know what I thought when I was over there is if you started like a

pygmy UFC league in Cameroon it would be the best fights in the entire world 25 featherweights yeah dude I guarantee

there would be monsters in the ring destroy them weighing in at 75 pounds. On their head. Bash. Ultra featherweight.

That is how maximum wild. Yeah, it's it's cool. So Africa is wild, man. I mean, just this one place in Africa right there, the Congo and Cameroon. There's all these dwarf animals. Like everything is half size. The people, the animals the animals everything that is fucking weird yeah it's like how's that happen I don't know

and you can shoot hippos there yeah it apparently tastes really fucking good that's why I always hear that's why I'm like hippos the closest thing to be like when you shoot there's a few animals that you can be so remote there's not a village anywhere around like you shoot an elephant or you shoot a hippo or certain things you know you start gutting that thing you turn around and

there's like 60 people with buckets there yeah so yeah hippo is like the prize meat it's delicious interesting yeah because i mean like that i like you always like innately feel bad thinking that it's like endangered because we never see oh shit but like i didn't realize this but like iguanas in florida like people shoot this all the time because they're just an invasive pest but you never seen iguana so you just assume like oh i guess you can't shoot that they shoot them fucking all day long and then hippos are aggressive as they kill way more than alligators like they're scary they are territorial and fast it's probably the number one thing that in crocs that kill natives in africa it's number two when you count mosquitoes oh yeah definitely malaria malaria

yeah mosquitoes are number one and then hippos and then crocs and hippos running like 30 miles per hour or faster you see how fast they fucking swim yeah they're a little fucking you know they run like they're always touching the bottom yeah they're just top that's what they're bouncing so if you see like a hippo like if you get all the fat and everything off of it it is like right and it's like oh that's how that thing runs so fast just has all this like fat on it so it can be very buoyant and stuff. But yeah, hippo in the water, it'll chase your boat and fuck you up. Hi, I'm Tara Schmidt, a registered dietitian and host of On Nutrition, a podcast for Mayo Clinic where we dig into the latest nutrition trends and research

to help you understand what's health and what's hype. There's a lot of wild stuff out there, so we'll be keeping it science-based, research-informed, and practical. Mayo Clinic's On Nutrition. New episodes every other week, wherever you get your podcasts. The hippo on land, when it goes out to feed you get between it and the water yeah hippo hunts are very exciting when that happens because you have to dome it like it's gonna fuck you up so you have to you have to dome it oh we're going we are going for like a week or two and a hippo is like what five to six thousand pounds it's about the size of a

land cruiser they're very big dude that's that's almost as that's almost as heavy as a cyber truck yeah that's fucking crazy have you watched

a pop watermelon they just put the watermelon just the gunk this is devolved into the Joe Rogan podcast I love it I fucking love it pull up

pull up a video of a chimpanzee hairless hairl a chimpanzee. Hairless chimpanzee. I'm here for it. And even in the jungle, the gorillas, the lowland gorillas, not the mountain gorillas, they're half the size too. But seeing a gorilla in the wild is the craziest thing you ever see.

Half of these things sound like slurs. And I'm trying to keep up. I't know i'm racist i don't know who should be offended by what yeah just that's how we get kevin canceled it's bleeping out gorilla that you can't cancel me we know i don't know we now big cat like big cat hunting is absolutely terrifying that is the one thing everyone always stresses like oh yeah like cat hunting is the one thing where it's like these will fuck you up if you're in like high brush or anything well i don't know like i've hunted cats and I've hunted everything now. And I'm very careful to not make a bad shot on a cat because a cat, like they're not tough animals to kill.

But if you wound a cat, if you wound a leopard, especially it's extremely dangerous to go after it. Cause they don't warn you. They're small they'll be 100 to 200 pounds they can hide very easily and but where like a lion you wound a lion and he runs into the bush it's very dangerous but they'll typically 99 of the time warn you when you get close so you know and they'll warn you when they're going to charge why do they do that how do they do it i don't know they're just like roaring and like you can like a cat roars at

you 100 yards away you feel it in your chest it's unbelievable like a lion is a 550 pound cat i mean a lion can just slap your head off your body but a leopard it's a thousand or a hundred stitches a second when it's on you fuck but so leopard is scarier to me than a lion and lions are like predictable yeah i've been fucked up by some but never make that mistake twice man shouldn't have uh flown 17 hours for that one boobies man you're safe no um but yeah the cat hunting is and people are sensitive to it but it's just like what you say iguanas or elk or anything else like where they are and you can hunt them generally there's a overpopulation just like elephants and and most people yeah elephant yeah i didn't even

actually care about animals growing up in the city like until i started hunting and i have such a love affair like with all the african species and or here like whether it's whitetail or whatever have a much greater appreciation for animals and all the real conservation comes from hunters that's all the money all the greeny stuff is bullshit yeah and like you have to manage the populations like elephants go to kruger national park now it's destroyed and it's ruined because they won't manage the elephant population and there are no trees standing in kruger anymore so now there's no kudu there's no other animals and now the elephant the poor thing is like it's such a magnificent animal but you know like they get nine sets of molar like

teeth in their lifetime and so they need to eat a lot of green well there's no green because the trees aren't growing in kruger national park now the most beautiful incredible place on the planet 20 years ago and so now the elephants are eating bark and they're eating limbs and so now they're molars like an elephant in the wild in africa traditionally will live 55 to 60 years and now they live 40 years because they wear their molars down. And, you know, two thirds of the time they used to. And it's fucking sad to see. And, you know, like they won't acknowledge it.

Like the greenies won't acknowledge it. It's like you should never shoot an elephant. Well, you're going to cause them all to die. It's sad. It's one of the things that when I did the that Elkhart, it was about a year ago. We went all to die. It's sad. One of the things when I did that elk hunt, it was about a year ago, we went up to Utah. Honestly, like you were talking about, where you just start daydreaming and looking off,

it is some of the most beautiful country I've ever seen in my life, where I was just sitting there falling asleep on the side of a mountain, waiting on an elk with Cody and them. I felt more in touch with nature in that moment than i ever fucking have been in my entire life no cell phone no nothing but the way that they treat it out there is they're like look we're looking for elk that are about this age where it's like man everything in their life after that is all downhill yeah they're past their prime yeah it's like they've already peaked everything from now on is just going to be sad and a downhill

decline until they die of starvation because they can't eat. It's like big game hunting. So you're just harvesting. Yeah. Big game hunting, that is one of the things they don't understand. It's like hunters are paying big dollars. And it's not just like, I got this trophy. That's it.

It's like, hey, this is feeding everyone a village. Also, it's taking care of overpopulation. And usually the alpha is out of cycle exactly run it off yeah and you know i think it's even like bigger to me and like i like to kill stuff i don't know what that says but i do like it i don't know i feel that's innate a little bit yeah i mean i think you know it's donnie vincent who's a great hunter and tells a great story of any of his videos. The cinematography is incredible. And he's got this really great line about he's a real conservationist.

And if you are alive today, at some point, like in your lineage, there were great hunters. Or you fucking wouldn't be here. They all starved to death and you start thinking about that but that connection with nature and it starts to sound all weird and hippie-ish but if you haven't experienced it and i think it's one thing me spending time in africa and places like you're talking about like whether it's you know utah or idaho and remote places hunting elk or whatever you just feel this connection. But Africa makes me realize I love America, but how stupid some things have gotten and how like we're chasing this thing

that doesn't really exist here. Like, why does it matter? Like once you get a certain amount of money, like, like being poor sucks. I get that. I like having money more. I like being poor, but over a certain amount, it doesn't matter. Like, what are you chasing? Like some kind of status or this or that. And you don't know the freedom of it. If you've not

gone and done it, being out in nature in a wild place and seeing these things, not just like, I love YouTube and I love looking up all the things I can see now, but there's no replacement for going and seeing the grand Canyon or going to experience in these things. And, and, you know, I spend months there at a time and i like we have gotten life wrong in america like as far as okay work hard do all this make a bunch of money get a beach house retire one day it's like you should enjoy every day you know like we create all this stress here it seems like for just bullshit look at all things like you you guys and all of us that are i think you know have a reasonable mind like mocking

all the trans shit like we come up with things to like about like how up is that it's the the dostoevsky thing where it's like oh yeah well if you had nothing to uh if you had no real problems to solve you will find them yeah it's like and i feel like that's where we fall into it's like we just you know if you look 200 300 years ago what problems were they trying to solve it's like and i feel like that's where we fall into it's like we just you know if you look 200 300 years ago what problems were they trying to solve it's like okay those are real motherfucking problems living day to day yeah it's like now we live in the most racist country in the world it's like and it's looking how things were 200 years ago anywhere also we're struggling day to day it's really hard everyone's dying terry i guarantee you have like one of the

best outlooks on life because you're like man we have it so good here us is way fucking easy go live in a place where there's no value on life yeah it's funny where you think like americans are so self-righteous about africa you know the real racism in africa like as someone who i think i'm half south african, I'll say. You're one of my favorite African Americans. Thank you. But lives there, the causes, the natives in the South, so they're a mixture of the original natives now,

and then when the French Huguenots came there, and then the Dutch came there and everything, and the Zulu in the North. Shaka Zulu, what a great freaking general and warrior he was like incredible you know like pretty horrific shit he did but he was effective and the zulu and the causa like they're racist like when we like is is an american we would think oh apartheid is so bad and whites don't treat blacks well over there. Native as well. It's like there are no problems between the whites and the natives.

Like the causes in the Zulu hate each other. Like and it's all just race based. You're not truly black anymore. You know, you're causing the Europeans showing up and just drawing lines on the map. Yeah, I mean, this, this is now South Africa. You're talking about a continent where in the last 50 years there was a machete genocide. It's terrible.

There's some real shit. You'll see, like on some of the ranches I've heard of, it's like they generally won't have Zulu and Causa working in the same ranch. Because eventually there's going to be murders. And it's never like what we would make movies about in America. The evil white man. And it's not like, no, they'll get in an argument over potatoes in the garden.

Those are mine. And next thing you know, in the morning, they come get you. One of them stabbed the other one and killed him. It's like over potatoes. I cannot stress that. It is not. You see that when you go to countries like that. Third world countries, that is like life is a completely different meaning.

It's one of the hardest things to get across. Because in everyone's head, you think, oh, that's a bad person. It's not even evil. It's like taking a life is just like breathing. Yeah, life is invaluable. Yeah, there's no consequence. Disney taught me that they're just like us. they don't like it's invaluable yeah there's no consequence disney taught me that they're just like us they're all the same you know how great it would be if

like everyone either had like mandatory service or you go live in a third world country for three years and serve somehow what's it u.s in like the 1850s it What's it? U.S. in the 1850s. It was like survive, provide for your families. If you didn't, you would die. It's the same thing. But the U.S. is so successful in the GDP side that we just give things to people.

Yeah, so I'm saying you can't starve here. Across the board, people are people. They're going to survive. They're going to, people are people. They're going to survive. They're going to provide for the families. They're going to protect. It's just... What they have to do to achieve that is completely different. It just offsets prosperity.

I don't know. I feel like at a certain level, biologically, you're wired for a certain amount of adversity. Where you're always going to survive. You're going to fight. You're going to fight. You're going to do everything so that you can feed your family and you can provide. But when that adversity is not there, your caveman brain is going to find adversity fucking somewhere,

even if it doesn't exist. Well, we were talking about the... I'm going to fucking work out to make it harder for myself. Yeah. Side effect, you get jacked. That's pretty cool. I mean, look at how soft we are like you spend time in nature too and you realize oh my lord humans are good thing we're smart because we'd

have been dead a long time ago like we're so weak pathetic now oh bro i always think about i was like man if we lost internet power and everything i was like oh oh okay what am i good at okay well i'm gonna acquire a lot of stuff the easy way some ammo your neighbor's like wow thanks for stocking up on food otherwise this is gonna say i watch people like outdoor boys i love watching that dude he has his kids out there like staying out in the wilderness but that dude is if you haven't seen his youtube content i think we've talked about it multiple times he kicks ass dude he just goes out there nerdiest looking dude he's like oh we're just gonna go camp out in negative 40 degrees in alaska uh no tent this time uh we're doing a new method so i'll find this stump and then i'll build it out and then two days he'll stay out there and do that

that's tough that's strong mind I mean that's the way men need to be though I mean we're just getting so weak yeah I would die that's how I get humble I would die so fast in the cold he hates being cold

he's like basic white girl now I get this motherfucker cold or wet he gives up being cold. He's like basic white girl. You get this motherfucker cold or wet, he gives up. He's not as bad with the wet things, Nick. Oh! His wet shoes! That was so fucking funny. Wait, what happened? Nick with his wet shoes?

Were you not there? Oh, you weren't there for that. Nick got his shoes wet in the ocean and he just gave up. We went, when we were there in San Diego, we were at the hotel there on the beach. We all walked to the beach. The f***ing wave comes up too fast and gets in his shoes

and he has like a tism fit and like literally leaves and is just like, I've gotta go buy new shoes. And goes. And we're just like, you can, well I have a spare pair of that. Okay. Love you Nick. Nick is one of my favorite f***ing people and goes. And we're just like, you can, well, I have a spare pair of that. Okay. In San Diego. Love you, Nick.

It was so funny. Nick is one of my favorite fucking people and it's, he's probably one of the better adjusted amongst us, but it's funny to see that tism come out. I knew it. I knew it was somewhere. Oh,

he seems tough too. Is that San Diego wet? I thought you were going to say like, I don't know, like, Great Lake wet in December. Get his fucking shoes wet. He'll freak the fuck out. He loves the cold. That dude's like, I don't know why you guys don't move to Iowa.

It's fine up here. So I just moved to Iowa. He doesn't talk like that, like, at all. It's Nick's new voice but speaking about that that racial divide in africa where you have like those uh i guess combative interactions between locals are you like we can cut this if it doesn't fit but uh can you tell that story about when that did actually escalate to violence at that ranch well i know several stories i mean it's kind of what i said like it's always this undertone of the different like i guess you would say racist they're the the causes in the zulu they're both

very offended by one of them being in charge of the other it's very offensive to them and so it always ends up in some violence and so i think as a ranch manager owner you have to be like aware of that yeah it's just like in the causa culture like um nasipo our cook she's a 55 year old causa woman it's so incredible well in their culture she's in charge It's sort of like in some Middle Eastern cultures, like the eldest woman is in charge. And so it's just this weird dynamic and it, it always escalates in, they, they tend to drink a lot. And so ranches that will allow them to drink, like at the ranches, it tends to, you know, like a lot of stuff it escalates things but one that i can think of is these um three guys that worked on a ranch um they lived in a little house together on the ranch

staff staff housing and so uh it's two causes and one zulu and so the the most senior guy was a causa guy and the the zulu guy didn't like him being in charge. And so that night, they go home, they start drinking and cooking, and one wanted potatoes, and one wanted, what's the name of this stuff? It's like grits that they have. I always forget the name. But sort of like a corn grit sort of thing. So one wanted potatoes, one one wanted that and so they're

drinking and they start arguing over it and so the zulu guy just takes the old butcher knife and gets in between the ribs there and it's like we're having potatoes and then they go to the that is wild that escalation goes to the ranch and this is like common within that but it's always that sort of crime it's very rarely towards like white people there it's just they don't like each other and so the ranch owner he was telling me and he says yeah the so the zulu guy wakes him up in the morning he's like you know uh mr r mr r we need uh there's a situation says what the fuck is it come see you know so and so's hurt like oh shit okay go down there you know he's cold he had died 12 hours earlier very dead and just lying in the kitchen floor with all the dried blood and everything and

he's like, what happened? And he tells him quickly what happens. And Mr. R just says, we don't have a problem. You have a problem. And just went out the door, locked him in the cottage. And so made him sit in there, call the police, tell him there had been a murder. It took him a day and a half to get there. God, he made him stay in there wasn't

though but it's like that kind of senseless shit and that's the thing you see in third world countries that is americans were generally immune to it you know like that's not like you know your uncle rodney and whatever cousin kip might get in a little argument smack one another but no one's stabbing each other in the kitchen and killing them this was over potatoes not typically yeah and it's just like it's that kind of stupid shit well another story like my ph was telling me several years ago in zambia they shot an elephant and uh the local village comes to ph the professional hunter so it's like your guide he was saying and he was a young guy back then and um they shoot an elephant and and generally in most of africa the elephant like you get the hide and

you get like the skull and the tusk like the meat will belong to the local villages and that's just most places probably sort of just a shan uh handshake deal or it's just what they do to support the villages and to keep them from poaching all the elephants like we'll feed you so don't poach everything excuse me because a lot of people don't understand like lions and elephants and hippos and all like they're going to be poached out of existence if there's not hunting because there is no value other than meat to to any of the native villages. You think about a 500-pound cat living in your yard. Because they all raise, thank you, cattle and goats. And so if you're a lion and you live there, it's like, oh,

all you've got to do is live over there in the bush. You just jump this little fence. You grab your little calf every day, and you're good. And so they snare them and kill them all. So there's no value to a lion if they're not hunted by natives um but so anyway they shoot this elephant the village comes and so they're skinning it to get the hide and get the skull and then they're done and then it belongs to the village and they start just taking the meat and they have you know machetes and axes and knives and so once they gut it and get everything out and the elephant's so big they go intoetes and axes and knives. And so once they gut it and get everything out,

and the elephant's so big, they go into the rib cage and start cutting the meat. Then guys go on top, and women, and they're cutting meat off the ribs and everything and then hacking the ribs off with an axe. And he's sitting there watching them as they're loading up the hide, and the guy with the axe misses the ribs, hits somebody square in the head, blow him, kills him dead they do not stop he comes down off the rib gets the guy drags him out lays him down and goes back to hacking the rib jesus like no one stopped to acknowledge it and like that's that's like reality

over there like that's the value of life in a lot of those places. That meat is so valuable to them. Yeah, and it's just shit like that happens all the time. You don't think about it. It's just not the way we live here. No. Yeah. That's a watch. Cram.

Damn it. And he said no one else stopped doing anything. And the guy just came down and drugged the dude out and laid him down and then went back to... Much like Indians with trains. Just all loaded on. We lost a few good men on that journey. How inconvenient.

Oh, shit. I cannot wait. That is one place I truly look forward to. Hey, if it'll change Hemingway and Roosevelt's lives it'll change yours how long do we do Brandon? I'm down for it he was saying in the airport like at least a week

yeah 10 days is awesome and if you can only do a week a week's great too that'd be awesome no I appreciate the invite because I really would like to do that. I think that's a lot of fun. I would love for you guys to come. There is internet, so you guys can do your work.

How is it bringing guns to Africa and back? You can't bring semi-autos. But you can have semi-autos in South Africa. There's no barrel length restriction. So when you're in charge of ATF as general ATF, then we can do away with short barrel rifles. They don't even have that in Africa. Yeah.

We always joke about how cucked the UK is, but at the same time, to them, having suppressors is just like being decent to your neighbor. Hit pause on whatever you're listening to and hit play on your next adventure. Stay three nights this summer at Best Western and get $50 off a future stay.

Life's a trip. Make the most of it at Best Western. Visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. It's so stupid. But taking the guns in and out are easy. But I've permanently exported a lot of guns over there, so there's plenty of guns for hunting and stuff. It's like taking a boom box to Africa is not a thing you can do. No, but we have two over there. Interesting.

Okay. I mean, we did it legally. I don't want to sell. But we had to permanently export. You can't take them for granted. That eyebrow raise was a little blur after eyebrow raise. Just that one black bar. You can't do it, but there's two there. Did the black bar you can't do it but there's there's two there so the black bar so i permanently exported honey badgers sugar weasels or ar based gun and then uh two boom boxes

so once it's and those are all being approved now actually yesterday, Andrew, my buddy who I live on this property, picked up like 16 of the guns. The semi-autos take a little longer for the permanent export once they're there to be licensed than the bolt guns. So, yeah, so we'll have them there. So, yeah, and we do culls, about three culls a year in different places to even know is as like spring buck and blessed buck and some of the animals are selective grazers and they eat the good grass for the cattle and so we keep those populations down because if you have you know one blessed buck then that's one cow you can't have up there right and so um we use helicopters to do culls and culling and helicopters in the mountains it's fun because it's way tougher than like in

texas and flat gray this is you know six thousand feet elevation the helicopters get blown over we normally do it with the bolt guns but now we're gonna have semi-autos so good times hell yeah oh i was so fucking stoked for this this is gonna be heavenly calculating that spin drift off like an 86 plus the rotors it's gotta be a fucking interesting experience yeah are you just eating all the meat like that you harvest that day? What are dinners or meals like? Oh, yeah, I want to leave Africa with the keto shits. The food is so good.

No, the meals are so good. I actually end up gaining weight over there. I mean, even though I walk up mountains every day, because I don't eat dessert and a lot of bread when I'm in the States, but the Koso women make the best bread in the world. It's fresh every day, and they have it all there. They love desserts. All the Casa women

are like 300 pounds. The idea of people starving over there, yeah, not really. That's why I'm on a ranch. I end up even gaining weight when I'm over there even though i'm probably burning like 4 000 calories a day um because yeah she makes me desserts every night but the food is great because it's all it's all like organic in the sense of it's all free range yeah so they're

not being you know we rfk approved yeah so you go kill something we eat it but there's a there's a big cooler uh about the size of this. So when there's big groups there, we're hunting a lot. He pointed at the house, by the way. That was in the house. It's about the size of a fucking living room and kitchen. Yeah, it is. And so, you know, sometimes if we shoot an eeland or something, we eat the backstraps that night.

Like, well, braai, that's barbecuing in South Africa. But generally, you know, you let it hang for a week or a week and a half. But, yeah, I mean, all you eat is what you kill there. And then we have a garden, so everything from broccoli to peppers or whatever. And, you know, there's no pesticides or sh** to use. Like, none of the animals are fed bullshit or injected with bullshit. No Cheerios. Yeah, no Cheerios or anything.

So, like, you eat real clean and it's delicious. Man, those women can cook. It's like those starving African children. You're describing these, like, amazing meals. Meanwhile, I'm sitting there at, like, 2 a.m. with a fucking, what is it? Uncrustable. Uncrustable. More chemicals, please. meals meanwhile i'm sitting there at like 2 a.m with a fucking uh what is it uncrustable more chemicals please give me the red 40 daddy it's interesting a lot of people that have never been before that you know because i try to encourage like everyone i know and care about to come over there and yeah like and then us yeah but even the girls from the office, they were worried about the food and stuff.

And I'm like, no, you don't get it. Your accommodations there are nicer than your house that you live in. And then it's like, no, the food is incredible. And they all say, if they've never really traveled before, it's like within a week, they feel so much better. American food sucks. Yeah, you're not eating bullshit. American food, it sucks when you go overseas and you eat out there. You're like, oh.

Oh, this is actually when they care about the process. They're buying or cooking it that day. Everything is not refrigerated ice. Then take time to get to the restaurant. I love Red 40. It's So delicious. We get paid $10 every time we say Monsanto. Monsanto.

Monsanto. Monsanto. Monsanto. That's why I get so excited doing something like that because it is an experience. Again, it's a bucket list. We never knew we had the opportunity to have on the bucket list. And I was like, oh, it's so cool. And you know it's it's the hunting when people think about it like the reason i love hunting is actually the adventure you know that it's cool like we

shoot stuff that we eat and that's fine and you know doing our part for real conservation because i want like if it weren't for hunting all these animals would be extinct and we'd just like be reading about them and And you know, like I'm building a, like a conference room, about a 5,000 square foot, like 20 foot ceiling conference room, like trophy room there.

And it's all mostly going to be like some aspirational hunts and stuff. Um, like animals that are shooting Ethiopia or, um, Cameroon or Congo or whatever. And a full body mount so people can see when they go there. Because I want to, when people come over there, you know, to South Africa, it's a pretty, by African standards, a pretty vanilla hunt. You know, plains game hunt.

But it's so fun and wonderful. But it's very inexpensive relatively too. But the other animal is full body mounting them because I want people to come there and see them and be inspired to go to other parts of africa that need the help too um you know so forest elephants can survive you know they're in just a small area of west africa and you know there's the pygmy elephants half the size and the day that they stop hunting there they're extinct like the natives will kill all of them. And, you know, so to keep hunting in different areas of Africa alive, so these animals will be there in three or four generations from now

and people can still see them. It's just like the thing, the argument, like, why are cows still plentiful but the buffalo are almost, you know, extinct in most of the country? It's because nobody owned the buffalo. Yeah, good point, yeah. That's actually a really good point. We got to wipe those motherfuckers out.

America did a real good job with that. It was like, I just kill them all. It's like on walls. I don't know if you've, Chase, put up the picture of you seeing the buffalo skulls. Oh, the buffalo pyramids? Yeah. Fucking the most wild photos from back in those days. I mean, it'd be okay too if

they didn't taste good or something but it's like whoa buffalo is so delicious man i was just i know i mean cows i mean the cows are so dumb though if they didn't taste great we'd probably kill them all but buffalo that's good meat oh that's we'll go there and then japan i still want the guys to go visit japan at least a single probably gonna do a lot of international travel next year that'd be good you're actually talking about doing a first like show out in canada we have to test that marketplace because that would be our first like outside of the united states the worst the worst united states the worst of the united States. The 51st state. Wherever we

have it. We had Uncle Dijon who walked. He pulled up to the border park and walked across to us in Buffalo. He was worried about his truck tags. So he just fucking walked across.

That's pretty awesome. He's a good friend. He told a story on stage he like knocked on the thing hey like what the fuck are you doing it was like seven degrees just stormed so i'm going to america hey i'm just on my way to america it's funny because he could have just kept walking. No shit. He got there and then went back the other way. I was like, oh, thank you. One of the only snow Mexican illegal immigrants. The snow Mexicans were big. That was cold as fuck. Thank you, Buffalo, by the way.

Y'all were fantastic. It's a good show. That was, yeah. Y'all rowdy as shit. They did, like, their foot. Yeah, the foot stomp. Yeah, the stomp thumbs thing that we didn't hear that entire time until buffalo so many high school basketball games yeah yeah no it was like

fucking cool man it's like buffalo people throwing people through tables stomping on the floor it was a whole fucking thing mafias wild it builds mafia i like it all none of us none of us knew that cheer angry cops did you know when he at the beginning or did you know that's like a universal thing is it yeah man i don't sports at all i had no idea which one was sporting the chant that they did which i don't remember it right off the top my head buffalo and then he said something else like multiple times and they were cheering back to his cadence and we were like what the fuck is he doing and then i pulled something else like multiple times and they were cheering back to his cadence and we were like, what the fuck is he doing? And then I pulled the table out on stage.

And the multiple of us got chokeslammed through a table. I branded it too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Brandon was like, fuck it. Yeah, Rich is just like, come up. I'm like, we didn't rehearse it, didn't mention it at any point. I'm like, ah, sure. I'm glad you didn't land on your head. He got like half, we didn't rehearse it didn't mention it at any point i'm like after it sure i'm glad you didn't land on your head he got like half it didn't class it was like but and the chair

like sideways i was like yeah that's how much it didn't hurt was kind of surprising it was just like it's all showmanship but it's still fun dude the crowd went fucking wild wild on those things. It was quite an experience, and then Connor killed it on stage. I forget. I'm like, here, Connor, go. Be on stage with us. It's only 1,200 people. I smoked cigarettes. That was my whole thing.

On every venue, he lit up a cigarette just to smoke in the theater. Why wouldn't he? That's what we were... took a it was a wonderful excuse to smoke on stage yeah it's it's always allowed when it's part of the act and funny enough when he's on stage it's part of the act there's one yeah there's a doing live shows is a wild experience it is that seems fun it is a lot of work and fun at this it's that weird uh it drains your social battery like most of the guys are introverts yeah so it's like the most draining experience you're like hey like high-fiving talking getting in front of an audience cody's

in fear because yeah i can see that yeah he does not like but i'm all about high fives though man that's a fucking pick me up man it's been mandatory you come into work in the morning you get a fucking high five it's a way to start the day kiss on the mouth no we had a some mexican but if you got titties hr does not exist any kind of titties some dude handed down he brought cookies from a store and I was like oh cookies

and after I ate them I was like weed wow I should have fucking why am I eating food from a stranger

and the name on the box half baked cookies I was like oh hey hey

on the balcony where are these weedies no I was like I'm gonna trust you hour and I'm like okay we was like i'm gonna trust you that hour and i'm like okay we're good we're good i trust you random stranger you handed me edibles oh it was terrible fucking

really good cookie so well really most people i think naturally are good unless they're from buffalo and then rich drove the merv that was good that was do you know what the murph is no so angry cops has a it's the morale response vehicle i believe it's a fire truck that he bought and converted into like it's a mobile bar with a dance floor and everything it's pretty sounds like the best yeah buffalo that's halfway across the country Who killed it the most on this tour? Who was on fire? Everyone, dude. There was a good balance, I think.

Everyone has dialed in portions. I think, again, by Boston, we had that show so refined. Everyone got a really good experience because you have from the beginning of unsub, we come out and then we announce the guests. everyone got a really good experience because you have from the beginning of Unsub we come out and we announce the guests and when the guests come out you have Rich during the Hulk Hogan original America song

he walks out with the 2x4 waving a giant flag Jim Duggan Jim Duggan is the one that did it that's why he's just like, I want that music. I want this. So he'd wave it and then rip his shirt off and then put that down.

And then he'd be like, Ed Carter or King Trout. And you'd walk out and be like, pull your cigarette out. Getting ready. Spilling. My whole bit's smoking. Oh, yeah. At the one venue where I accidentally spilled fucking white claws across the stage. On the perfect comedy beat though

yeah that was on purpose I caught her afterwards but the guy backstage was like dude you guys have that fucking dialed how did you like sabotage the bag to rip at that moment it was a

fucking accident you were really upset with yourself no no I'll never see these ever again in my life just get after it it was a good time everyone killed it the jokes are so

dialed in everyone's just playing off of each other the buffalo show went completely different ways which is to be expected with rich in his home turf yeah we have like sets kind of rehearsed and then that one was like it was good because people go from like multiple shows they will they went from atlanta to really yeah they went to both shows and they're like man it's a completely different show we're like that wasn't on purpose these just aren't rehearsed and they kind of just fucking go where they go at the end of the day that's so great i guess if you have one person doing comedy yeah that's interesting about a group because if you have an off night or you fuck up like you you don't yeah you don't have like a tribe to support you. No.

Like it's just. Yeah. Yeah. Like lions living in a pride, you know, like a leopard solitary its whole life. It only gets together to bang. And then, so if it gets hurt, it can't feed itself. It dies. But you know, you live in a pride, like a lion gets hurt, like fucked up.

They'll still give him some food. So he survives. Interesting thinking about it like that. That's the word that sums up unsub the best is pride yes i was like when a joke doesn't land we like reach for each other joke and he looked i was like yeah that one really killed it rich then it makes it funny yeah and then everyone starts laughing yeah it was a really good time and then everyone's like good because you're on edge because it is live you're calling out the audience because you don't want cell phones recording anything that is said during the live shows you're like yeah because the the more cell phones you see like the lamer of the show

has to be throws you off yeah you. You reel back in jokes real quick. Interesting. You're like Dave Chappelle bit where he's talking about where he bombed. You know that night. It's like, well, if Dave Chappelle can bomb by himself, but I love that. Well, I get paid for the attempt.

Y'all paid. I can leave right now. I'm still paid at the end of the day. Unsubscribe podcast is on par with dave chappelle yeah that's what i said it's the one i love the one where i think it was in philadelphia with uh bill burr where he just starts roasting the audience or like he was gonna leave he's like no fuck you and just starts tearing into the town was it that or yeah that was yeah it's also great like he doesn't's also great yeah so you could do whatever

the fuck you want but then they loved him for it like about halfway through they're like all right this guy's cool who is that character yeah you and that's what's really good on stage when you have like rich offsetting rich is the one that will like pick on the audience like he's all fucking hard and then you also have, what's the superpowers? A girl would say her superpower, and Connor would be like, you're offset, you're a woman. So how our superpowers work is like, oh, Cody can fly. In order to fly, he has to yell racial slurs. We offset.

Did we ever give Kevin a superpower? Did you get a superpower when you were listening? I think it was something about a giant penis. Oh, I think we were all hammered that episode. Did we give you one? I don't even remember the show. You fell asleep in my truck after that. I liked the party. He fell asleep someplace

else first. Oh, yeah. Do you remember? I think I have a photo on my... No, I probably don't want to see it. He fell asleep at the bar with your sandwich halfway spilling onto the cash register it's one of my favorite we had a great day it was a fantastic day fucking day i like i was just like and we were just all like looking at each other like this is so fucking surreal hey buddy let's go to the car we just walked in right away you

turned on the raptor and you're just like out oh what good friends you guys are dude of course we got your back and just like good friends we took pictures first we had to do that and like better friends we've never put them on the internet you guys are gold we're gonna keep those those are for us chase pull those up i'll send it to you just hundreds of thousands i fuck you oh man dude i like fun yes you do we're gonna have mr connor close us out when he old blond blondie over here. Connor, before you close it out, can you explain that hand-drawn photo? You're going to hide it? What?

The actual photo of his grandfather. Oh, okay. Well, the Pepperbox exclusive video, which you can see coming up well before this episode of the Unsubscribed podcast is available sorry i'm spitting everywhere there's a zen in my lip not a potato chip not a potato chip where we show off the gifts we we received on the unsubscribe live tour i i may or may not have gotten a portrait of myself hand-drawn hand drawn uh where i am an officer of some sort i think it's a super sport a super sport officer

uh wearing a uniform designed by who who designed the uniforms I believe it was Hugo Boss. Hugo Boss. I believe design. Star Wars. Yeah. Might have been some kind of mensch. It's like a high five but a 45 degree angle. Yeah like the uber kind of mensch if you will. Indians? Anyway

thank you for watching the Unsubscribe podcast. as always i'm joined by eli double tap i am here with kevin brittingham brandon herrera and myself donut operator or king trout and whoever you ask thank you thank you for watching love you guys kevin where do we find you, by the way? Africa. Find him at Africa. Africa.com. Hashtag Africa. Love you guys. We're going to do an after show.

Be like 10 minutes. Patreon. Go check it out. Kisses. Love. Watch Africa be like a blacked.com kind of site. Like, no! I hope it's gay porn.