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Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Join the gang on this very special episode, FROM THE PENTAGON! A huge thanks to  @usarmy  for making this possible! Watch this episode ad-free and uncensored on Pepperbox! https://www.pepperbox.tv/ WATCH THE AFTERSHOW & BTS ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/UnsubscribePodcast ------------------------------ THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS! GHOSTBED Go to https://ghostbed.com/unsubscribe to receive 50% off sitewide! SHOPIFY Sign up for your one dollar per month trial period at https://shopify.com/unsubpod ------------------------------ UNSUB MERCH: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/unsubscribe-podcast BUY THE GANG A DRINK https://paypal.me/UnsubscribePodcast ------------------------------ FOLLOW THE HOSTS: Eli_Doubletap https://www.instagram.com/eli_doubletap/ https://www.twitch.tv/Eli_Doubletap https://x.com/Eli_Doubletap https://www.youtube.com/c/EliDoubletap Brandon Herrera https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonHerrera https://x.com/TheAKGuy https://www.instagram.com/realbrandonherrera Donut Operator https://www.youtube.com/@DonutOperator https://x.com/DonutOperator https://www.instagram.com/donutoperator The Fat Electrician https://www.youtube.com/@the_fat_electrician https://thefatelectrician.com/ https://www.instagram.com/the_fat_electrician https://www.tiktok.com/@the_fat_electrician ------------------------------ unsubscribe pod podcast episode ep unsub funny comedy military army comedian texas podcasts #podcast #comedy #funnypodcast Chapters 00:00:00 - Introduction to the Show 00:02:27 - First White Claw in the Pentagon 00:04:48 - Military Stories 00:09:04 - Unexpected Military Experiences 00:11:23 - Military Jokes and Awards 00:13:55 - Interviewing WWII Veteran 00:18:14 - Bourbon and Military Culture 00:21:10 - Experiencing Extreme Cold in Alaska 00:23:50 - Alaska's Unique Military Divisions 00:27:04 - Identity and Purpose in the Army 00:28:38 - The Importance of Availability in the Army 00:30:21 - Developing Future Leaders 00:32:08 - Transitioning to New Roles in Army 00:33:56 - Respecting the Tomb Guards 00:37:26 - Personal Journey in Ranger Battalions 00:40:10 - Transition to RASP 00:41:44 - Evolution of Ranger Training 00:46:20 - Accountability in Ranger Training 00:47:54 - Ranger Regiment Insights 00:49:31 - Explosive Training Stories 00:56:11 - Podcasting at the Pentagon 00:58:19 - Challenges of Bureaucracy 01:04:04 - Influencing Change in the Pentagon 01:06:11 - Funding for Military Supplies 01:08:30 - Military Backgrounds 01:11:05 - Challenges of Open Water Swims 01:14:41 - Army Experiences and Lessons 01:16:20 - Role in Army Acquisitions 01:18:31 - Drone Warfare Insights 01:21:00 - Favorite Military Equipment 01:23:43 - Light Machine Gun Developments 01:25:21 - Hunting in South Africa 01:27:46 - Pentagon Event Planning 01:30:01 - Waffle House Story 01:31:51 - Museum Insights and War Trophies 01:33:41 - Creative Content Creation 01:36:12 - Brandon Herrera's Medal of Honor Joke 01:39:00 - Army Green Jacket Award Announcement 01:40:51 - Pentagon Assignment Insights 01:42:41 - Building the Pentagon History 01:44:43 - Transforming Military Equipment 01:47:26 - Acquisition Process Challenges 01:51:06 - Planning the 250th Anniversary 01:53:04 - Sponsorships and Execution Plans 01:55:05 - Meeting Brandon and the Fat Electrician 01:56:50 - Army Outreach and Recruitment 01:58:48 - Legal Reviews for Podcasts 02:00:56 - Mental Health and Community Support 02:03:49 - Closing Thoughts and Future Plans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I know. That's pretty cool. Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguous and random. His hair is fucking fabulous. A donut, a dog joke disposition, and there's a fat electrician. Welcome to Unsubscribe. Hi, everyone.

Welcome to the Unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined today by Eli Doubletap, fat electrician, Brandon Herrera, myself, donut operator, and the backdrop is a little different. Why, Eli? I don't know. It looks familiar, like a shape of some kind. Oh, yeah the backdrop is a little different. Why, Eli? I don't know. It looks familiar, like a shape of some kind. Oh, yeah. We're at the Pentagon.

Like, we're actually, we're not fucking around. We are in the Pentagon. The basement of the Pentagon. Finn, turn around, show. And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile and wonder, how did I get here? So are we. And Nick, what were you saying earlier like we were are we are brandon we were like kind of semi comedians who were just doing shows and then suddenly yeah oh we we were uh like a couple episodes ago it's like oh we're it feels like a couple episodes ago we're just doing random

like local stand-up comedian friends of ours and now we're in the Pentagon. Not only are we in the Pentagon, we have... We're one of the only people to get authorization to drink in the Pentagon? There was a whole process, apparently. There was a lot of paperwork to get this case of White Claw here. These might be the first White Claws

ever drank in the Pentagon. I think that's what they told us. We might be making history. I'm so sorry. With that being said... Yes! Oh my god. ever drank in the Pentagon. I think that's what they told us. We might be making history. Unsub. With that being said... Yes, let's... What the fuck are we doing, guys? So it's just a normal box.

I know, that's what I said. When they say case, is it 24 or 12? Do we have grape in there? We don't have grape. Black cherry. Black cherry. Black cherry. You're getting bougie with the flavors already. Dude, if we got two a piece.

Three a piece. Three a piece? Oh, they're cold too. The army's awesome. You know what that means, guys? First white claw in the pentagon. Here we go. Three, two, one.

Oh, man. It tastes so much better knowing how much paperwork went into getting it. First one to finish a white claw in the Pentagon. Son of a bitch, son of a bitch. It's always a competition with you, Nick. Gotta be first. Competes in ways that we didn't even know. Now I'm going for second.

It's so cold. Nick runs out of booze immediately. Huh? Nick runs out of booze immediately. I mean, you gotta get it started the right way. Fair enough. I'll be the second person to finish it. Like Claudia the Pentagon.

And he didn't even cry. It was so cold. Hi, welcome everyone. Welcome to the Pentagon. All the boys we got in last night. Today we're going to be... We're having fun today. We get to interview a couple of privates and specialists.

Also, fun game. Real quick. Take a shot at home every time you hear the word Pentagon. Starting now. You're already dead if you've tried it before. Pentagon, Pentagon. Cody tries to kill the audience. With Brandon this morning,

it's like, well, I thought we were training for a fight. Yeah, I thought we were going to the octagon. What have I been training for? I can't wait for the YouTube title to hit the algorithm. Unsub.ub drunk from the Pentagon. What? Oh, they're not kidding. It's not clickbait.

Clickbait. Oh, shit. Hey, guys. Welcome. Welcome. Oh, who do we have first? I'm going to start. We're going to hang out for a little bit.

Bring out our first guest to who Wants to Get Demoted? Hell yeah. I heard there was a distinguished group, a band of brothers here. How you doing? I was like, well, let me just drop in real quick. How you guys doing? Doing good.

You hopping in? This is your hot seat, right? I feel like I'm in a bullpen here. You should be. You ever seen Between Two Ferns? No. No? Well, this is Between Four Idiots. So welcome to the show.

Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. It's a pleasure to have you on. Appreciate you making time. Yeah, no, thank you, guys. So you have what? How long have you been in the military?

32. 32 years. That's what? Three decades. How long have you had in the military? 32. 32 years. 32. That's, what, three decades. How long have you had the nickname Smoke? Birth. Okay. All right, so can I tell her? Yeah, absolutely.

So Smokey Robinson, singer, right? Yeah. That's my grandfather's favorite entertainer. So at birth, he's like, hey, you're my Smokey. Now, my mother was like, okay, he can be your Smokey. That name is not going on the birth certificate though um so christopher is my government name but from birth my family has known me as smoking and obviously you know playing sports join the join the army i want people to

be comfortable with me so it's like hey man dad giving you badass nicknames right out of the gate yeah big fan of your work with the bandit. Yeah. Dude, 30? You joined in the 90s. Yeah, yeah. 92. God damn. I was born in 94. Brandon wasn't born yet.

No, I wasn't. Neither was I. 95. 95. 94. Wow. Oh, wow. I was five.

And I love telling the troops nowadays, let me tell you about the 1900s right in their mind they're like oh my gosh like okay we're getting ready to get something from this guy so yeah 92 great year to join yeah that is and then you got to see the complete change and then going from like civilian time army or peacetime military to wartime military then back to peacetime military which how was that just wild first assignment was uh vicenza italy and um there were a lot of vietnam veterans that were kind of still you know going they're on the back leg of their their career so you know being able to kind of get a mentored and developed by them and what they experienced and then what they went through in the Cold War era because most of them had spent most of their career there in Europe,

you know, after coming out of Vietnam. So it was very interesting. And then, you know, coming back stateside and then, like you said, now we start going into some other things there in Southwest Asia. So, yeah, it's been interesting over the last 30 years what I've seen. That's crazy. We have, I mean, everyone came from different walks of life in the military at the table. I joined like, well, Brandon.

Start a civilian side. But if you Google him. I was like, it's not even worth it anymore. I didn't say it. I was just like, ah. You're just so blasé about it now. We started a running joke that he's a decorated war veteran. And now if you ask ChatGPT about Brandon Herrera,

it thinks that he's the most decorated war hero in U.S. history. Marty Murphy. Straight up. That's you. It all started from a Veterans Day episode when Eli tried to pin his purple heart on me and I'm like, get that stolen valor away from me. And so now it's been, the running joke is now it's forced valor.

How many awards do you have now? You got like two medals of honor? So at our live shows, the fans were all in on it. And like the great majority of our fan base, I think, either has been in the military or has some connection to the military and so uh they just started bringing their medals yeah and giving it to me at live shows so now i'm i've got an entire stack classic

wish i would have known that um do you do you have a set of foreign jump wings like do you have a run and tally of foreign jump wings i don't think so wow he has some jump wings but no i don't think he has any foreign jump wings it's gotten so bad that people i live in a different state and i fly to this podcast and people mail me medals to give to brandon and i forgot to bring it but i actually have a uh a syrian women's driving badge for you, is that basically a cab for them? Big Storm Ranger's like, I'm just cut away from me smiling in that one. No comment.

They are getting so nervous. Was this a bad idea? Why are you guys getting nervous? Do you want a white claw? What are you guys doing later tonight? There you go. There we go. Yeah, yeah.

BC. Yeah, okay. What's your next step when you – do you think you're going to stay in as long as you did? Absolutely not. I definitely had a plan when I joined to come in because, you know, things were not going the way I needed them to go in college. The baseball career that I thought I was going to have was not happening.

So I had a plan to come in for four years. I knew the Olympics was coming around in 96, so my plan was to get to Atlanta as my last assignment, try to get to some tryouts and get back into baseball. So, no, never would I have thought that, you know, I'd be sitting here honestly with you guys right here, at least in uniform. Same. Honestly.

Yeah. I thought we'd be sitting here with you. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. This is a wild experience for all of us. Cause it was like starting out as dumb jokes and it's like,

Hey, let's tell some military stories or have fun. And then all these crazy sons of bitches out there. I'm glad we're all failing upward this is great no i wanted to ask about your middle son it says he's a professional mma fighter yeah yeah shout out tyler sugar free stevens um based out of birmingham spartan fitness nice um i see that the family cool ass nicknames has kind of passed on. You saw that, right? Sugarfree is an awesome nickname.

Could you imagine having to fight somebody whose nickname was Sugar? That'd be hilarious. That's what? Yeah. Yo, Sucralose, get over here. Good old Stevia Johnson. Stevia Johnson coming to the ring.

So your son wants to fight in the octagon. You work at the Pentagon. Any other significant shapes in the family? Man, you caught me off guard with that. Because my youngest son plays college basketball. So, I mean, that's a rectangle. But you used to play in a diamond, though. Ah.

Very good. I like that. Yeah. Might need to bring you into the RBG one. That's just dad jokes. Yeah, I know. Down the table. General George is already trying to force me and Eli back into the Army, so don't make any more threats.

He keeps threatening you with a haircut. I know. It's the first thing. It's already pretty short. General George, first thing, when we come down, he's like, hey, got you guys booked for a barber appointment to get you back in the military. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They force it.

What can we do for Brandon to get him like an official military position? I think I might have to actually take that haircut. No! There's an honorary... Is there an honorary... No, we looked into it and they are... I think it's... No, that's dress uniform. It's AR something, but there's actually

a way for a civilian to get a military award i really don't want that yeah i really do you know but i didn't do anything to earn any of this stuff you've helped so many vets we yeah but i do that by drinking and joking around that that hardly feels like the same thing hey still you you bring joy to veterans right that's important we need that and you know what I don't need a medal for it it's a privilege to do it Brandon's trying to get out of this mess I'm storming

I'll just you know pivot this way and then we'll be gone it was last veterans day this whole joke fucking started and I didn't think it would culminate to the pedigree Eli I didn't either so you do know though we do have an honorary SMA that every year

that is awarded to a civilian. You guys are way too fucking excited. That might be something we can talk to SMA Weimer about. Oh my god. Weimer, your honorary Sergeant Major. Of the Army.

I'm going to text him right now. I didn't know that was a possibility. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to go home. I thought you were the one that was going to be uncomfortable at this table. No, no, no, no. Yeah, not at all. Maya held the turntables.

Fuck. Brandon's going to be the director of the ATF and the sergeant major of the army. Well, I don't think that'll work, though. You might have to resign from the ATF. Conflict of interest. He doesn't have it yet. It's on the table. Alarmingly.

Alarmingly on the table. That also started out as a joke. Again, not even a joke I made. Have you seen any of what we do other than chaos i have not i'm not gonna lie when mass sergeant carter you know brought up at a sma you know would like for you to to take a look at this and and do a drive-by and uh just walk in it piqued my interest um because again it's about helping veterans it's about ensuring that you know people understand the importance of all of your service.

Because, again, you're providing the service even now, although you didn't wear the uniform just yet. Yet. Yet. I still have that haircut appointment. That's a lie. Yeah, we got you. But, no, it's an honor for me to have an opportunity to be here with the four of you. We appreciate that.

We really do. Saturday, we're interviewing Grandpa Jake, and it's a World War II. He was at the Beaching of Normandy, and he was at Battle of Bulge, and he's coming on the podcast Saturday. Oh, Saturday. I'm so stoked for that one. Where will you guys be at for that? Will you actually-

Texas, San Antonio. Oh, in San Antonio. Yeah, yeah. So we filmed in Han, but we're super excited for that. We normally don't get to film in cool places like this. No. Yeah. It's normally just a- A house. A like this. No. Yeah. It's normally just a house.

A house studio. Yeah. A living room. Yeah. With booze everywhere. Which, yeah. It's like a frat house, essentially. Hey, Brandon, you ever wake up in your bed feeling like you just fought in a war?

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That's ghostbed.com slash unsubscribe.com slash unsubscribe. That's GhostBed.com slash unsubscribe. Use code unsubscribe. I'll show up under your bed and make ghost noises until you do. Go now. I just want to reiterate, none of this was in the script. I don't know. We started talking like random sounds. Well, Sergeant Major Stevens.

Where you just walk in on things. Yeah. I got hot swapping up. First off, man, it's a little tough for me to follow this guy. Man, Smoke is a legend around here in case you didn't know. But let me tell you, hold on. Hold on to your seat. Because what you're getting ready to get right now with verne daily is going to be uh very interesting so hey gentlemen again i really appreciate you

guys absolutely yeah thank you for coming down yes sir thank you thank you yeah i love that shirt thank you yeah it's my tuxedo tank top eli i dressed up for this occasion. Okay. How's it going, sir? I'm fantastic. Very good. Good to meet you. Good to meet you, too. Good to meet you, brother. Good to meet you, man.

Hey, John Wayne Troxell says you better have your eye probed. Uh-oh. That sounds like Troxell. That sounds like Troxell. Matter of fact, he told me I was supposed to tell you if you didn't have it, you got to get a nasal pharyngeal. I can give those. I can give those. I can give those. Let's go.

Well, our unit used to do those. And if you did one, you got to go home early. I fucking hated those. Those are the worst. You can do cocaine so much faster, though. Oh, my God. I hate that thought entirely.

How long have you known Tronco for? Let's see, about 10 years or so. No, he was a SEAC. Yeah. I'm sorry,

I didn't mean to be rude. Would you like a white clock? So first off, besides the fact that freaking I fully intended to come in here and give you guys a hard time for the White Claws. Let's go.

I'm just going to be straight. You know what I'm saying? I drink a lot. I want this arm major. I want this arm major. That's who he loves, bourbon. 100%. Well, Miller Lite or bourbon.

I stopped drinking Fru Fru Beer and all the rest of that stuff when I got a bourbon habit. You know what I'm saying? That's what it comes down to. I stopped drinking. Just bourbon. Just bourbon. Just bourbon. That's it. It's like Landman.

Nick Ultras. The thing you got to understand is bourbon is like collecting stamps for Sarmators. You know what I'm saying? It's like if you're a Sarmator and you don't collect bourbon, are you really a Sarmator type deal? You know what I'm saying? Waste money on a collection that you won't drink the whole thing you know i'm saying but why not something to do you got to have something that you want to do out there you got to dip in i do oh my god i love the enlisted so goddamn much come on man like you guys told me you were coming in here i'm not sitting

in with the with the general officers to arrest that, you know. Take it out when I got to address certain parties. But I figured you guys were cool. I didn't see this in. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, a little nicotine light. Nothing like that. You want some?

I'm good, brother. I don't need a double dip, you know. How long have you been in the Army for? Total? Yeah. 35. Dang. Jesus. Yeah. you know how long you been in the army for total yeah uh 35 yeah so um start out in the guard in 89 spent about five years in the guard before i came on active duty i've been active duty just over 30 years now that bio is incredible actually now that i look at it hobbies are cycling woodwork fishing and bourbon and not necessarily in that order.

That's right. 100%. Absolutely. So obviously, cycling is a super weird one. So I rode motorcycles for years. You know what I'm saying? That was my big thing. And then I went to Alaska, which is kind of a long, complicated story.

Basically, like, 05, I was at Fort Benning. I was an IOBC instructor. And, oh, sorry, I'm not a super podcast dude. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, 03, or I'm sorry, 03, 04, I'm at Fort Benning teaching these little snot-nosed lieutenants to be infantrymen. You know what I'm saying? And hating my life because

everybody's over in iraq or wherever else and i and i'm trying desperately to get out of there and uh 101st 82nd were like 107 percent on the start first class at the time x y and z and so i couldn't get out and they were starting this new brigade up in alaska 425. The snow darts. Right? That sounds like a slur you are. A snow dart? Tell me it doesn't. And I've got a great story on that one because you're never going to get a better jump than jumping in a four foot of snow. Anyway, bottom line, the only way I could get out of Fort Benning was to go to Alaska.

And I wasn't sure about it. I was like, I don't know about this stuff. And my wife was like, let's go. And I was like, okay. Everything that my wife's, because I've been married 33 years now. Everything my wife has told me, let's do that, has been exactly the right freaking thing to do, man. I cannot tell you. So I went to Alaska in 2005 and spent six years up there.

How cold is it? For anyone that you were jumping in? Negative 30 was the coldest that I've jumped in. You know what I'm saying? But folks have jumped up there as low as negative 45 up on the slope and some other areas. And then you're up every 1,000 feet at 10 degrees or 70 degrees difference. You know the deal. I mean, it's wind velocity, the rest of that.

But you're so hyped. You don't really feel it until you get to the ground. And then you're like, oh, I can't move my hands. You know what I'm saying? But you figure it out. It's cool. But the truth is, so remember, in Alaska, two separate places, right? You've got Anchorage, okay, where the Airborne Brigade is at 211 currently.

Right. And then up north is 111 Arctic Wolves. Right. Which is a light BCT. All right. That's our true Arctic guys. So it gets negative 45. It was negative 52 is probably the coldest that I experienced up there. Those guys just got done, matter of fact, with a couple of weeks of uh hardcore uh out in the field free and and our mark of a we got the right conditions was they had to stop training so when it you know when it gets to negative 35 the reality of what you're doing is you're going to go to ground and try to survive so is that negative 35 is that the straight temperature is that temperature and wind chill no that's straight straight no man. So wind chill is like negative 60.

Yeah. My fear was getting stationed in Alaska when I was like, oh, they're going to send you wherever the Army is going to send you. I was like, oh, please not Alaska. My Mexican ass would have died. Did you already like the cold before that?

No. No, that's what i tried so i grew up in the south and so actually i'm a i've been a member of or dependent on the army since the day i was born my dad's a retired w3 uh helicopter pilot vietnam vet freaking i graduated high school at fort campbell high school uh went to auburn university where i failed out miserably pretty quickly um and uh but i've always been in the south you know rode motorcycles drank beer fish you know that kind of stuff and so the idea of going to alaska was whatever but i did not want to go uh to fort hood or to fort riley at the time a lot of ego involved

there you know i'm saying the reality of being a airborne infantryman is is kind of you get real stuck on you want to do your thing and the only place i could go jump out of airplanes at the time was to go to alaska but we got up there i'm alaska resident now i freaking love that place man i mean literally love alaska 11th airborne division is like the most underrated airborne division by far you know world war, you guys were the only division to go into the Pacific. Yep. Now you're just sucking. Arguable. No, I'm serious.

Like the 11th Airborne Division in World War II had like the most textbook perfect airborne operation ever when they raided Las Banas prison camp. 100%. It was awesome. Bottom line, they were basically, what, MacArthur's secret weapon. In the end, they did not want to publicize a whole lot about what the division was doing. Some of the crazy airborne stuff they did there, whether it was inserting replacements through frickin' L-Force Densons, like dudes were jumping in.

They're like, hey, you show up as a replacement, as a, you know, new lieutenant or something like that to wherever. And they're like, hey, you got to get out to the guys. So get in this airplane. You're going to jump out and and join them you know what i'm saying and then whether it was a combination amphibious that's the big thing about the pacific period right like in the end i love marines to death right because they are some pretty badass dudes but what everybody doesn't know is they've also got the best po in the services right they will pump themselves up right that's the way it is it's always been that way in the pacific too right the reality is the majority of the uh of the amphibious landings uh were done by the

united states army okay the biggest ones right like most of that fighting i mean i'm not trying to take away from but the reality is everybody forgets whenever you talk about the pacific you're really talking about the army okay and then particularly for the airborne force talking about 11th airborne 11th airborne was uh designated as um weren't they the designated guard for the president when he came over on uss missouri and they signed 100% surrender. Yep. And they chose the 11th Airborne to be the security on hand. They did.

Yeah. We were actually, 11th Airborne was actually in Japan before, or one of the first elements to get in Japan. I know Nick, Nick would know all this. You're tickling his tism right now. And it's a big deal.

Like, so it was a big deal to get designated, too, right? So, again, I told you in 05, I went up to Alaska and joined this new brigade. It was called 425, okay? And from 05 until 22, that brigade was the 4th Brigade of the 25th. But we had zero connection to the 25th Inf 25th infantry division like it was just a designation and then the one up north was 125 okay and they had strikers like why you would have strikers in alaska like they won't go anywhere and snow yeah i mean i i had 120 000 it was like 60 to

120 000 pounds like they are yeah they have eight wheels, but well, I mean, all that stuff was congressional stuff that from when then, anyway, you know what I'm saying? I gotta be careful with what I say, but the bottom line is, um, you know, we had, we had some issues up in Alaska, right. And luckily, uh, senior leadership recognized that, hey, the majority, a lot of what we have problems with in the Army have less to do with money and programs and more to do with identity and purpose and grit and resilience. And remembering that soldiers are here to be soldiers. Right. Like we're here to train like most of the problems. You know this, right? Like you probably didn't mind doing company live fires or ftx's or whatever else what you hated was being in a freaking cough freaking running a freaking broom or not doing anything yeah right oh yeah and so quick you know

and then identity matters right like i mean we're very tribal in the army that's that's the reality you got the 82nd playing gang right you got your freaking tankers or, you know, Hood and Bliss, you know? And so that 11th Airborne designation makes a difference. You know what I'm saying? You put that patch on, and you've got a connection to a history that's unique, a history and a legacy you've got to live up to. I like that, though. The identity matters.

The Biden admin, I think, was actually really good about that as far as you know gender identity mattered why why you gonna go there man like hey look soft pitches man no no i mean like i'm i'm not here to you know the reality of it comes down to we want to be a standards-based army. We should be a standards-based army. We are. That's the way our leaders are. See it. You know, it's a standards-based army. If you can perform, then I want you around, okay?

If you can – the big one that nobody really talks about is availability, right? I'll tell you that one, right? Like, you ever watch NBA or football, right? Like, one of the values of a player is how much are they available? How much do they get hurt? How much are they there to play? Like, you can pay this guy, he can be the most talented person in the world and wherever, but if they're getting hurt all the time,

how much value are they, right? Well, same thing in the Army, right? Like, hey, we need guys to be there. We need guys that are consistent. You know, we need soldiers that are, oh, crap, you got Chris Mullinax, man. That dude's a freaking rock star. So, you know, the reality is, you know, I'm just a sergeant. I've been very lucky to serve an Army this long, you know, and to get to do what I get to do, you know.

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Once, you know, I told you there's an identity, right? And so I've been an infantryman. I've been a blue corps wearing guys since 1990. That's very much a part of your identity, right? And to get to their life, right, of what it means to be in these positions and have the opportunities, right, to both serve with but then lead, right? And to gain people's respect, like to work that hard and to gain that respect, right, doesn't have a value on it, you know? And I just hope that we get away from some identity politics okay right because my identity is army it's this color right and in the end i value all my soldiers based on what they can do all right and what their potential is right because that's

what sarmators do what sarmators really do is we develop people right we develop the next leaders we develop the next and we do that by providing them opportunity by providing a direction right by sometimes making them go in a direction they need to go in like sometimes you know and you know other things but in the end the best thing that i've ever done in the army is develop a bunch of people right who are now even ahead of me you know what i'm saying in the army is develop a bunch of people right. Who are now even ahead of me. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, no, there's a bunch of talk, man. I love it. Leadership is something I will always say, learn. I learned from the military and then taking that out and apply it the rest of

my life. Cause, and then also stress levels are very hard to, civilian stresses. If nobody's shooting at you, why are you stressed? You know what I'm saying? are very hard to... Civilian stresses. Look, man. If nobody's shooting at you, why are you stressed? You know what I'm saying? That's the bottom line. I mean, look. That's the reality. I learned that growing up in Fayetteville.

Exactly. Well, I'm sure you probably did. You know what I'm saying? And he knows what I'm talking about. Hey, look. The reality is once you've been in the kind of that stressful situation you're like well i'm probably not going to die from this so life can't be too bad the only hang up is you're still kind of searching for that feeling every now and then you know that as well as i do i mean like there's a reason why i love to jump out airplanes right

like in the end you know when you're standing at the door, right, you're like, hey, I'm going to put it in God's hands today. Like, there is something about that, right, you know? And it was pretty neat to be able to still do that, too, when you're old as crap, you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's the reality. I'm 55 years old, man, like freaking. And you're still jumping. It still, well, was until November this past year. When I left that job and now I came to this job because now I've got a new job.

So I'm the MDW, the Military District of Washington Joint Task Force NCR. So we have the old guard and really a bunch of installations here and a number of other organizations. And so we provide everything from the special security for special events, whether it was presidential inauguration. So all the troops that you saw in the presidential inauguration, the bands, the rest of that stuff, that's all part of part of us, you know. And it's a different part of the Army than I've ever seen. Because like I told you, my identity is infantry. I've tried to be an in-the-dirt kind of guy my entire life. And coming here has been kind of eye-opening. Because the reality is we say stuff like soldier for life, right? Well, what soldier for life means is that these incredible TOG soldiers

are conducting six funerals a day in arlington burying our our following yeah following there are brothers there are sisters you know in the end it comes back to that legacy again right like to your point like there's when we did the transition to 11th up north you know we invited who we could find, there was like two dudes that could actually come who had been 11th Airborne during World War II. They're all past, right? But they're still our brothers and sisters because we're connected through history to every one of them. But anyway, the bottom line is when you hear Soldier for Life, they're really the the physical manifestation of that right by really showing that and they do a job that that because i've always sought not to do it i respect even more

you know what i'm saying what it takes to be a guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier like i couldn't do it you know what i'm saying Like, hey, we pay a lot of respect, as we should, to all our special operators and to getting through ranger school and being a jump master and doing those things. But the things that these guys have to do on a daily basis, the discipline and everything they have to show is remarkable. And so getting to be a part of that and see those things is pretty cool. That's true discipline right there. Vern Daly, thank you. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's true. Just going right there. We'll go. Burn daily.

Thank you. Yeah. I'm sorry. Smoke warned you. I'll talk. I'll talk your ears off, man. You know what I'm saying?

This is the guy you want. This is the guy you want to talk to. I got one request. Yeah. You get away from Mike. You ever watched like UFC, the announcer. Yeah.

Joe Rogan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I want you to call in the next Sergeant Major like you're Bruce Buffer announcing. Make sure to embarrass him the entire time. Yeah, I like this. Let's see it.

All right. Let's see. All right. Man, I'm trying to think. I'm trying to get it. And from the left. Sergeant Major, you better sound the fuck off. Hold on.

I'm trying to get over here. And coming to the ring, from the G357, the previous first infantry division command sergeant major, ranger, badass overall, and truly the man, Christopher Mullinax! That was actually good. That was really good. Appreciate you, Tom. Thank you so much. Hey, Brandon. Yes, Eli? When you think of businesses that are just crushing it,

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This would be terrifying as like rewind when I was a private or anything. This would have been absolutely terrifying just interviewing Sergeant Major. You just told a command serge Sergeant Major to sound off. I know. I was like, how long have you been waiting for that? This has been building up inside you for years now. I was like, ooh, do push-ups. Oh, I'm so sorry.

How long have you been in? So I'll hit 27 years, June 24th, yeah. It's gone by fast. You have, what, first combat? Yeah, so I started off in 1st Ranger Battalion. And then you did. It's gone by fast. You have, what, first bat combat? Yeah, so I started off in 1st Ranger Battalion. I've been to all of them. So they sort of kept kicking me down, you know, hey, we'll send them to the next battalion.

I guess I wasn't good enough at the, you know, the time I was at. But, no, the truth is I had an opportunity to serve all the Ranger Battalions. But I started at 1st Ranger Battalion. That's where I met my wife. Been married 18 years. got two daughters, 14. Congratulations. Thank you. Her dad was a retired fire chief, Navy veteran back in the day. He was a fire chief when he retired there.

So probably moved back there one day, be close to my wife's family. I'm pretty close to them as well. So First Ranger Battalion is sort of where it all started. It's where I became a man, became a father, became a husband. So all the things that happened good and bad in my life kind of started at that organization. But I had opportunity to be a rep instructor, second Ranger Battalion as platoon sergeant, third Ranger Battalion as a first sergeant. When were you in second bat? I was in second bat from 2007 to 2010. I was there when we stood up deco.

I remember when you got the super nice barracks. They were getting the extremely nice barracks. It's a nice facility. When you were in, you did RIP when itP. when it was called R.I.P. That's right. Now it's called? R.A.S.P.? Yes, R.A.S.P. R.A.S.P. 1.

And then got, do you know, like, Brandon, have you ever read or seen how, like, Ranger School, or R.I.P. at that time? That was three weeks, right? It was. About three or four weeks, yeah. Yeah, three or four. Yeah, you had, like, like man you had pre-rip and then rip my buddy got fucked because he was he did pre-rip which not a fun time and then he got to uh actual uh for oh his ranger tab not the never mind he did a pre-ranger and then when he

got there they had to make him do pre-ranger again now at Benning he was like well I already did this literally like two weeks ago so when you went in you were doing uh how was like rip compared to ranger school for you uh rip back then was pretty much a um a three-week smoke session give them like get like when they smoke you say smoke session that could be sound like oh you do a hundred push-ups and that's it no they go i mean you wake up and uh and you're basically they're they're they were looking for a reason to to smoke us all day long and really the purpose was good or bad it was to figure out who really wanted to be there. So in the course, I have to say that like the, especially when it transitioned to RAS,

the Ranger Assessment Selection Program, it's professionalized, right? So it's still really, really hard. In fact, it's harder than it was then, but they've professionalized it in a way that they made it very difficult, but without all the dumb stuff. So they're still going through a very, very hard program.

They're still being assessed, figuring out who really wants it and who doesn't. So all those things are still happening, but they're doing it in a way that is much better than it was sort of on the fly back in the day. In what way would you say it's harder? Well, I think it's, uh, you know, I haven't been in the Ranger regiment since 2014 or 15. So, uh, so the programs continue to evolve, but I, you know, I think that, um, they're looking very much, you know, harder at their, um, their, their suitability for the organization. So there's psychic vows involved.

There's all sorts of things. So they're weeding out an echelon of folks that may not have, 20 years ago, may have not passed this modern rip. So you're getting a young ranger that is more reliable, stronger character, consistent across the formation, more reliable, just as physically fit, if not more, because it's very competitive. As the organization's grown, it's become kind of a place to be in and more so than it ever has been.

And so you're getting physically fit, really smart, young soldiers that are serving in that organization. And oh, by the way, it's longer now. I think it's closer to eight weeks if not eight weeks and they're doing a lot of really tough training. That second month I mean it's exclusively focused on like real exceptional training that we just didn't we didn't learn that back in the back even that even as a young soldier in a ranger platoon you weren't learning the skills that they're learning in RASP. Now, okay.

It's nine day. What was your, like, one of the hardest days you look back at, like, rip and we're like, man, I almost tapped out there. There had to be a couple. Well, I screwed up. Godspeed. So I was. When they say smoke you all day, this is like for eight hours. They have no problem just making you do up, downs. And you're hungry. And if you haven't heard this before,

if you talk to anybody that's ever gone through the program, they'll remind you of hit the wood line. So this is when you go out to the field and a hundred times a day, they tell you hit the wood line. It's like a 500 meter field that you go out to the field, and 100 times a day, they tell you to hit the wood line. It's like a 500-meter field that you go out, bring a tree branch back, come back to the formation. You do that over and over and over again. So there's a lot of stuff that just really—I think they might still do that. I hope they do.

But there's a lot of stuff that just really didn't make sense, and it wasn't necessarily preparing them for the organization other than to figure out who really wanted to be there and who didn't. But they weren't really getting trained. So I think that's the biggest, biggest thing. So around what year did you first go through rip? I went through in December of 1998. So in 1998, the internet wasn't nearly as prevalent. Like we didn't have TV shows like making the cut.

Did you have any idea what you were getting into when you agreed to go to that? No, I had no idea in fact it's the second person that said that so i so i didn't i didn't i just didn't know what the ranger regiment was my my dad served in the army as a young soldier um and then you know worked for the government many years out there so it's kind of like being a military brat but i didn't know a lot about army i knew i wanted to serve. My grandfather was a cook. I can't wait to see these parks. I actually did three years of Navy Junior ROTC in high school. So I thought I was going to the Navy. I was ready to go be a Navy SEAL.

And then my dad was helping out this young guy who had just gotten out of the Army. And it turns out he came from the Ranger Regiment. And he found out, hey, I've been talking to a recruiter. I'm getting ready to graduate high school next year. And he's like, hey, this is what you need to do. Go ask for a RIP contract and tell them that you want to be a forward observer or a medic and a couple other. And then he said, whatever you do, do not let them sign you up to be an 11 Bravo.

And I'm like, okay, got it. So I go down, I do everything he tells me to do. I come back. He's like, how'd it go? Great. I'm all signed up. Ready to go. I'm going to start basic training next year.

He's like, what's your MOS? 11 Bravo. So here I am 27 years later that one seems to have worked out how far did you make it into rip before you realize that guy might have fucked you over well it turns out it doesn't matter what your job is because it's all going to be really tough um i to be honest i don't think i'm i don't know if how many for observers you know from the from the um the soft community or the ranger regiment, but I wasn't smart enough to do what those guys do.

They're wicked smart guys, and I think I was better suited to be an infantryman. So it worked out. 11 Bang Bang just having fun. You do the math. Give me the machine gun. That's right. Exactly. What was one of the worst training things where it just sucked, like your worst day? This is different than what you're expecting, but when I say I screwed up, we were sitting in parachute harness.

I was introduced to Copenhagen, my battle buddy from basic training. By the way, we were allowed to dip back then. We were allowed to dip, but you're not allowed to do it in the harness, right? I don't know that I knew that. Anyways, that wasn't the problem. The problem was he was spitting in his canteen. So we were sharing his canteen as a spitter. And the instructor saw us doing that.

And he was furious. And now I think about it, yeah, that's pretty freaking disgusting, right? Because those are canteens we get issued, we've got to give them back. Someone just did this in their canteen. Terrible, terrible decision, right? But we were held accountable. So instead of getting that weekend off, we collected up all the entire class's canteens. So it's two one-quarts and one of the two-quarts.

So I think it's like three canteens per guy, 100 folks in the class or whatever it is, have like these giant black trash bags of canteens. And we spent the entire weekend washing those canteens so i thought you were about to say they made you drink it well i was i was worried that we were going to get dropped i was worried that i was going to get kicked out of the course because they could have easily said you're gone and then but they gave us a second chance and that's why i think that's the the closest i came came to like being out of the course. And I was thinking, I mean, it resonates to this day with me that, yeah.

You got to stay in because it is something where they do. What a terrible story to have to come back and sit here with you today. And I actually didn't serve in the Ranger Regiment. I got kicked out because I was spitting in a canteen. You ever been so badass that the Army tried to break you for three weeks straight while strategically starving you and the worst experience from it was having to do

the dishes? That's right. Is that so true? He's like, man, worst day of my life. There I was just cleaning. He has such a way with words. What was your worst experience? They made me do the dishes one time.

Yeah, it was rough. And you made it, how'd you stay in, how high did you get in the Ranger Regiment? Were you Sergeant Major or First Sergeant? So I left as a First Sergeant. Damn, that is a testament to you. Yeah, I'm super proud of the time

that I served there. And staying as a CSM would have been awesome. I went to the academy, went to the 173rd to be a battalion CSM right out of the academy. Competed to come back as a CSM. But the thing is, the competition is so steep. And there just were better guys for those positions and so i went on to serve in the army and i tell you i'm grateful for that because i left there and what i realized leaving the ranger regiment if you're going to continue a serve to serve for a while

after leaving there i had a lot to learn about the army and so leaving there when i did was key to you know i wouldn't be where i am today if I hadn't left when I, when I did. And the army needs us to, you know, go out and share what we've learned in that organization and share with the, you know, with the rest of the institution. It's important that we do that. That's awesome. Did you, Jericho actually, you might, did you ever know a Jericho? I don't know what bat Jericho's in. Was he a second bat boy? I don't remember. A lot. But he was in, he made, I want to say Sarn Major or first Sarn at

least too. Yeah, you're talking about Jerich Denman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was a, yeah, we were Ranger buddies. We served, I first met him, got to know him well at Sacred Ranger Battalion. Phenomenal guy. Warrior. All, all in on being a warrior. And then he finished up and retired out of first ranger batan as a first sergeant yep that's a funny story about jericho actually we went uh we did that explosive training course jericho was there with us oh yeah and so we're doing like breaching shit we're doing like c4 charges like uh c2 all that and um it's my first time playing i've blown up a lot of shit but I was never played with like serious putty before. So that was very cool. And he, uh, we're doing this like breaching charge. It's maybe like, I don't know, four or five pounds of C4. And, uh, he has like, basically he and like, yeah, it should be good.

Should be safe from the overpressure at that distance. Set it off with the shock tube. Felt like I got smacked over the head with a wiffle ball bat. Just like, whoa, fuck. He was like, oh, yeah, now that I see it, that was probably a little close. Eat an avocado, you'll be fine.

Eat an avocado? We're be fine. Eat an avocado? We're talking about the same Jericho. I was like, you guys probably knew each other. Avocado definitely. Get some omega-3s, you'll be alright. Why am I brain-squishy? I forgot

the second grade, but I've got an avocado. Oh, man. How many deployments did you end up doing with? I think it was 13. Jesus Christ. You've got to remember the Ranger Regiment model was about three and a half, 105, 120-day model deployment. So across Afghanistan, Iraq, do about 13 of those.

I mean, that's nothing compared to a lot of guys. I mean, they've done way more than that. They're still doing them. They're still there. I've got Granger buddies that are there today that I grew up with that are battalion CSM, RSM, that are still at it, getting after it. What's the most deployments you know from a friend? I'm not sure.

It's probably well over 20. That is a lot of war. Yeah. That is crazy. And Sergeant Major Mullinax? That's right. Thank you so much for your time, man. This has been great.

Truly, truly a pleasure, brother. I'm glad you know a couple of the same people. Also, Godspeed, brother. Thanks a lot. truly truly a pleasure brother i'm glad you know a couple of the same same people also godspeed brother thanks a lot well hey i've got sir major garza here lined up phenomenal guy mentor of mine as well um as verne daly um so let's get him in here and get to work we appreciate you talking to me thanks yeah absolutely great meeting you guys thank you so much. Appreciate it. Take care. Thank you so much. Jay Garza. All right.

Great to meet you. Jay Garza. Brandon Jay Garza. Great to meet you. Appreciate you. Cody. Cody. Donut.

All right. Fantastic. Yes. All right. So I guess right out of the gate, you know Cody. Yeah. I know it must be Donut. I know he is Donut.

Hi, Sergeant Meade. Hi. Oh, you're on. I think you're the fat electrician. Yeah, that's me. So history buff. Yep. I did a little research on you. Okay, that's fair.

Great historian. That's fair. I think right here we got the, I think you ran for Congress. Yes, sir. All right. Came close. Came very close came very close that was uh my office was almost down the street herrera right yes sir that's great brandon is it

brandon yes sir okay fantastic and then of course he like quibbles super i'm glad that we now out number the whites i know there's three three brown people over here with only two whites this time. How you doing, man? Hey, doing fantastic. Doing great. It's a great opportunity to come in here and meet with y'all. I mean, when the SMA asks you to do something, you never say no. Oh, you got volunteers.

But you do your research. Yeah, you're like, I need to see. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I'm going in on this. Cody. What? Cody, we're minorities. We are the minorities.

That's how it feels. Oh, God. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's so much funnier watching the people behind the camera laugh while you guys have to lock in and pretend it's not funny. How was it like, oh, these guys are coming on and they're bringing white claws. What was your reaction to that?

It's like well uh one he just called me a we got a little notification and then uh estimate really wanted to do this and uh so he he said hey the best thing to do is to get a couple of sergeant majors in here um and uh you know working working from there. That is as military as it gets, where it's like, hey, you're going to have to do this. Why? There you go.

Here's what I did watch. I realized there's a lot of individuals that actually watch your podcast, which is incredible. One or two. It reaches an enormous amount of people, and I didn't know that. And so this was the first time that I did get online and watch. And some of it's comical.

Some of it's great information. Absolutely love what y'all stand for. He's like, not a big fan of the slurs. Not going to lie. Those got to go. all the ones we call Eli you gotta go on this podcast in any uniform did I do something wrong

what if this is just hazing I didn't think about that as it may it's just fucking with you Danny if you guys wanna be here I got rid of waterboarding bring in the unsubscribed podcast it's weird coming from any i'm sure a lot of viewers that they're veterans or even active like the level of all of you and then just a bunch of degenerates yeah retards yeah so many words well i know several y'all have served so

it's a big deal exactly it's still like that makes it more solidified makes it worse yeah yeah i mean a majority did they had different walks and then yeah that's just it's it's crazy to be here like and to see like you were just saying like a lot of people uh that you know listen to the podcast and everything. How many people had come up to us while we were on our way here in the Pentagon that were like, we were at your Norfolk show? Yeah. Damn, we got a lot of feds in the audience. A lot.

Sergeant Major Daly, when he left, was like, I love your videos, by the way. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. And it is an awesome experience. It is. Also, yeah, yeah. Wild, wild experience for any of us because none of us have done. We've never been here.

It's a daily activity for you. So first time in the Pentagon. Yeah. It's fun, which we really appreciate the opportunity to even do this. It's just incredible. Like, there's just so much history that's been made in this building. It's just, it's wild to have an opportunity to to even do this is just incredible like there's just so much history that's been made in this building it's just it's wild to have an opportunity to and for us this is historic for us but just to see where all these decisions have uh that have impacted the the course of american history have taken place bro i'm the new guy three years ago i was putting wire nuts on wires in a

hog slaughtering manufacturing facility in mason city iowa and now i'm doing a fucking podcast in the pentagon with sergeant majors so don't forget the white claw also i was the first person to ever chug a white car at the pentagon i gotta win you told no one. No, I had to win, obviously. I also wore a tuxedo tank top. Probably also a first in the Pentagon. Is this the first?

Yeah. Perfect attire for any occasion. Just claim it. It's yours. We're going to get to claim everything. We were talking about the intro we were going to do. Did you go poop yet? Not yet.

I'm working on it i need i need to shit at the pentagon it has to happen that's one thing everyone was like do we it's probably not a big deal for you but i really want to take a shit at the pentagon speaking of beating people and races i'll be back i wish i wish i could take i'll take that brother no you won't I literally just to prove a point shit my pants and we're like no we're so sorry I don't know why he's not

gaming oh no so this is actually my second stint in the building so the first time I came was in 2018 and if you've seen the movie Gladiator when they get to the Coliseum, and it's like, ah. And so I thought, wow, I'm going into the Pentagon. I'm going to get to learn how the army runs. What you learn is, I mean, you almost learn how hard it is to get

things done in the Pentagon. It's tough to get things done. You need leaders pushing things. It's very bureaucratic. Can be. It can be at times. It can be at times. We heard the mountains that had to be moved just to get these white claws in the building. It goes. From early morning workouts that need a boost to late night drives that need vibes,

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I would love to see what that paperwork looked like. Was it just paperwork you guys had to submit and do? Can we get a copy of it just to post? No. We would definitely be like, look, it actually is a thing. We would frame that paperwork. That would go in the background. 100%. That would 100% go in the background 100 that would 100 got in the studio forever there's a greater

than zero percent chance that elon musk tweets this line item for expenses for the u.s government the fuck is 12.99 for white claws to be unsubscribed podcast me and cody could probably clear that up on twitter on excuse me on x pretty quickly that's ours you just had that retweet with a hand up. That was me. It was really important. Actually, probably the dollar for dollar the best 13 bucks the army ever spent.

Oh no. This is going to go... A lot of people, you're going to see, you're going to be hit up by family members and they'll be like, oh shit, I saw you on that. For the good or the bad, we'll see. It's the bad. Well, you know, the thing is, this thing can go wide right, wide left,

but what an opportunity to get to the young kids and get them into the Army. It's the new, if you're actually figuring stuff out and doing it right it is like how do you talk to the new generation it's not through a bunch of old people being like this is what the kids want to hear absolutely right i don't even know what the kids want to hear i like show is a decade younger than me and she knows what like a way better than any of us brand is like in touch on twitter x everyone has their roles but it's it's a wild experience and then you guys are yeah jody gets his own twitter sergeant major if you look up the most influential people on twitter it's like the top 20 and it's

like a-list celebrity a-list celebrity politician billionaire billionaire a-list celebrity, A-list celebrity, politician, billionaire, billionaire, A-list celebrity. Taylor Swift, Elon Musk. Don't say donut. He's right in between Taylor Swift and Kanye West. Wow. First person to spill a white claw at the Pentagon. Eli. He's a job. Eli Cuevas.

First person to party foul the Pentagon. And I got a drink. Dear God. I was like, man, yeah, I bumped it over. It's a first. We're just going to have the best of times. So when you got in, you got in what year? 1996. Dang, I had to join before you guys were like.

I was two. No big deal. 1996. Wow. Brandon was born. I was maybe one. Yeah. He still looks younger than me. I age like milk. I was maybe one, yeah. He still looks younger than me.

I age like milk. I was nine at the time. I just like everyone. I don't know if I look younger than you do. What is the fastest for a lot of the Sergeant Majors? What is the fastest track you can take for that? Like, what's the, where you're like, dude, that guy made Sergeant Major in 12 years, 14 years. You know what? I think SMA Daily was the fastest promoter to SMA. I think he was 26, a little over 26 years, maybe 27.

No shit. That was – it was fast. I don't think we've had a Sergeant Major make it that fast in the Army. Now, you have some 12, 13, 14 years. They don't make Sergeant Major in the Army. That's a coveted position that we have found out a lot of the guys are like. How long is SMA right now? Weimer been?

He's almost 30. So I think he's either 30, a little bit over 30. That's good. Meeting him, we were like, bless meeting that dude. And then he just clicked with us instantly. He dropped his dip can in that big meeting. Yeah, he dropped his dip can. I was like, oh, shit, here. He's like, you know what that means?

I was like, oh, here we go. So I go, Godspeed, sir. But yeah, he's a homie. It's awesome experiencing any of this. Was this one of your, the first time going to the Pentagon or getting stationed here? Was that something in your wheelhouse? Like, oh, I want to do that. No.

Or was that just like falling told? And most soldiers that want to spend time in the formations won't want to come to the building. But you need the experience. You need to come in and kind of figure some things out. You build those relationships so that when you go back out to the force, then you can, you know, work, network, and get things done. It's so easy to get things done when you know a Rob Haney who's coming behind me or you know a Chris Mullinax. You know, they pull a lever or two, and, you know,

the bureaucratic process uh won't exist at that point so yeah so no the pentagon was not uh a dream job of mine at all but now it's making it a light zero i was just saying it's kind of funny because you liken it to like the uh the coliseum and gladiator like the first time because like everybody's just got like a reverence for the building obviously but uh you know was it one of those things where like in the beginning you're like oh fuck the pentagon and now you're like oh the pentagon no no i think it was wow the pentagon and then the next question was what are you going to do uh in the pentagon uh and then you realize how the Pentagon operates.

And then maybe the second time was, oh, I'm going back to the Pentagon. You kind of know. You can kind of come and influence things you need to influence for your boss. Okay, so more like you know how to play the game now. It's like, okay, it's not so bad. That's right. That's right. And you know that it's all about the people and getting to know the people, networking with the people to get the decisions made.

At the end of the day, we're just trying to get things to the soldiers. I was curious what comes with being the Army Futures Command Liaison. Army Futures, the headquarters is actually in Austin, Texas. Okay. And so I'm in the building when Command Sergeant Major Hester can't make a meeting. Okay. And the SMA needs a Futures representative. I'm that guy. Gotcha. For instance, JMRC, we just went out to Germany and watched 310 in the box using a lot of the latest technology.

Cool. And so I go out, talk to soldiers, meet with soldiers, see if that equipment is actually working for them or if we can get feedback from the soldiers and make improvements on the equipment. I bring it back to Hester and the SMA, Commander Major Hester and the SMA, so that they can get in front and back brief the chief. At the end of the day, it's about getting equipment, the right equipment to soldiers so that we can fight and win. So you get to see a bunch of cool new technology that's absolutely love it like if you're the the ivs no it's the integrated virtual augmentation system holo lens um you can actually uh map a room uh anywhere in the world and then you can execute 25 times enter and clear in that room no shit so now you have to build out

because I know like you just build out the mock units and then the layout and now it's just doing with VR and orientation I was expecting that football flag to come at any moment I know it's like flag on the play.

They're leaving the hard drive. It's like, no. We joked earlier. If there's anything you don't want out here, just throw a little yellow football flag. We will just let you know it was not taxpayer dollars that went down the white clause.

Okay, so these were not taxpayer. These are Doge-exempt. Doge-exempt money went towards the white clause, apparently. were not taxpayer. These are Doge exempt. Doge exempt money went towards the White Claws, apparently. We got it. Zero taxpayer dollars. Who paid for them then? You guys want one? We're going to get it.

They're going to slip. Okay. Well, thank you. Hit advance. We owe him an after work beer. Yep. Done. Done.

That's the biggest worry. They're like, no, they can't. We're just like, we'll offer one to every Sergeant Major that steps up. Has anyone drank anyone? No. No. We haven't had anybody. Would you want?

You mean a trendsetter? No. Trendsetter. No, I think the next individual will absolutely probably take you up on the offer. I don't know. He's a struggle. But Rob Haney. You want to announce him, man?

Yeah. Rob Haney, who's the ASALT Sergeant Major. He works for the Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology. He's responsible for procuring everything that Army Futures puts in the hands or basically writes the requirements. He puts it in the hands of soldiers so come on in Rob and he loves alcohol appreciate you don't it all right Nick yep Brandon yes Pleasure to meet you. Cody? Yes, sir.

Oh, man. Eli. Eli. My name's Rob. How are you guys doing? Doing good. Sorry I'm accidentally breaking this military grade chair. Sergeant Major, right off the bat, we're going to put you in the hot seat. My guy, you're stacked.

Hold the shit on. Wait, ask him. Oh my guy. You're not way hold this shit on wait Ask him about his drink. Do you want do you want to a have a drink or be make your fellow sergeant major a liar? For sure. Okay, you go take that shit. Army of one. You are the black guy. He is army strong. How you doing, brother? Pretty good. You are the first one that, you are, you had some fun classes.

I did, I did. Spent about 30 years in the army and a good number of it. It was in 75th Ranger Regiment and had some unique experiences out there. Yeah, I would say so. So you don't have a brain of yours? No, I'm lost. Halo, so Halo, scuba. Oh, yeah.

Combat diver, right? Yeah. CDQC down in Key West and then Halo down in – I went to school down in Marana. Usually it's one or the other. You got both schools? So I was the Special Troops Battalion sergeant there at Fort Benning, Georgia. We had a reconnaissance company. So that was, you know, our element.

It was kind of in charge of Green Face Recce. So I went to school with them to be able to participate with them in training. And then I went to CDQC or dive school when I was a young sergeant. I was up grading lanes on EIB, if any of you guys have seen that. So I was grading the NBC station. They walked up there. They were like, hey, who wants to go to preschool to preschool but i'm like i would much rather do that than sit up here in grade lanes all day so uh that was the worst three weeks and three days of my life uh is going to uh dive school so i've heard fantastic stories about dive school so that like explain why it was absolutely uh well so first group uh so you don't actually drown uh it's a shallow water blackout but first, so you don't actually drown. It's a shallow water blackout.

But first group, they're all going to drown. You don't actually drown. You don't actually drown. It just feels like it. You basically just get waterboarded to the blackout. No, that's not true. It's the buildup of carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide in your blood kind of clicks your brain out. But during pre-scuba, you do a lot of underwater work and uh

you know uh there's very very controlled very observed uh but um sometimes you just you know that the little tunnel gets tighter and tighter and uh and then somebody picks you up out of the water so think to yourself maybe the nbc lane wasn't that bad. Maybe we should come somewhere else. That's the commercial thing. Self-reflection. So it was a very hard school, very physically fit, physically enduring school. It has a purpose in the Army. You know, the special operations forces that use combat diver as a job, which I did not use solely as a job.

They have a very hard mission in the Army, and I very much respect what they do. Dude, three weeks would be, like, what was the worst experience in that? For me, it was open water swims because you do up to 3,000 meters of open water, you know, spinning on top of the water. I started out and I was— You get a little closer to the mic. Yeah, I felt like I was pretty fast, but I was always in swim team last. So everybody that dropped to the course, you ended up getting paired with somebody new every day. So I always had a new partner. Every single day it seemed like I always had a new partner, and I couldn get used to you know to build that bond but you dog that was uh that was probably the worst part of it

dude that is and you're just swimming in open water just yeah finning in open water uh so it was pretty neat and then there's you did you did halonels, right? Oh, no, no, no. I'm not that old. Oh, okay. I was wondering about that. Oh, absolutely not. No, I spent a good, I spent a significant amount of time in Tunnel. I was told that I fly like a potato chip or a piece of cardboard.

You know, a piece of cardboard. Dude, once you start rocking, there's like, you just go. So I will say I spent a significant amount of time in a tunnel. But I learned a lot. And it was kind of one of those things that you learn in school. And you can see how it applies out into the force. Eli's been trying to get us into a tunnel for like a year at least. That's the greatest thing in the world.

It's easier to get me out of a plane than it is in a tunnel. Oh, no. Flying in a tunnel is like one of the funnest things to do i just know that eli's real eli has this thing he's really good at a lot of shit that none of us have ever tried and so he likes looking like the expert while we flail around and get beat against the wall well played well played just relax i understand that instead dude we always try to explain it, but originally with the Halo school, you'd have to do the boards. So you just literally,

your training for falling out of a plane was, here's a board with wheels, and you just have to... Roll around on your belly. And then they throw you out of a plane. That is a wild... I could not wrap my head around. We've come a lot farther than that nowadays.

Thank God. Just imagine that. Like, okay, you're ready. Like, uh, just go,

go. What was the highest jump? You, uh, 25. And that is full. Yeah. Full oxygen.

25. Uh, so yeah, that's the highest I've done. It was, it was pretty cool. You can see the natural curvature of the earth as you cut them out.

And that school, how long was that school? I think it was three weeks. It was three weeks, somewhere around there. Did you go to sniper school too? I did not. I was like, what else are you hiding right there? I did not. I was like, you're just stacking it up.

No. What year did you end up joining? So I came in the Army in 1984. So I've been in about right over, right about 30 years. Yep. It's a pretty exciting time. Was that the year you were born? Yeah.

It sure was. Yeah. It sure was. Yeah, so came in the Army in 94, spent two years up at the 10th Mountain Division in the cold, cold, two or three years up there as a private. I actually think back very fondly on those times. I think Vern was in here a little bit earlier. Coming out of Alaska, Fort Drum, New York is a little bit different. It's really, really cold, but it's a lot of snow. And I learned a lot of things as a young private that I still keep with me today, you know, keeping a dry pair of socks, always having something else to change into and, you know, taking care of your feet. We didn't have a bunch of stuff like helicopters or airplanes or trucks to get distracted by. Did a lot of walking as a private.

And then for some reason, we either went to the Joint Readiness Training Center in the winter or we went down to Panama. So I had been on a couple trips down to Panama and experienced the jungle down there. It sounds a lot better than the thick snow. It is 100% a lot better than the thick snow. But, I mean, you learn a lot being in the snow it is 100 a lot better than the thick snow but i mean you learn a lot being in the snow noticing a pattern so did you intend on being in for 30 years when you joined so i did not actually so here's the pattern yeah yeah so i had like a kind of a awkward story i was

grew up in a small town called hot third nevada and only had about 3 000 people and we had to go like to reno nevada to go to the recruit. And I had always said I was going to go join the Marines. I went up to go join the Marines and like shook on the door and shook on the door and it was closed. And I was like, what the heck? So I kind of like went next door to the army guy. He goes, hey, come on in here. I got something for you. And I'm like, no, I'm waiting on the Marine. He goes, no, just come in and have a seat, and we'll sit down and talk. And about three weeks later, I was in the Army down there at Fort Benning, Georgia. He totally sniped you from the Marine Corps.

Yeah, yeah. The Army crew is putting chains around the Marines' doors, so you can't get in. You have a clothesline on the front. I was wholeheartedly going in the Marines. But, yeah, well, here I am, 30 years later, still in the Army. Sergeant Major at the Pentagon. Yeah, absolutely. And now what are you doing with the military?

So I do, I work in ASALT, Army acquisitions and logistics and technology. So we buy and modernize major programs in the Army for the Department of Defense to, A, be ready for, you know, the next fight and deter our nation's enemies in preparation for war. So is that like DARPA kind of stuff or what exactly does that entail? It's not. It's, you know, it is really, you know, buying tanks, buying the next generation tanks, looking at helicopters and, you know and the next generation of helicopters, buying the next generation of rifles, buying the next generation of goggles. So it's not really development, more just acquisition. So it is more of acquisition.

We do a part of development of current and existing programs. So the M1 tank, we do incremental improvements on the M1 tank that is, you know, advancements in technology. But Jay Garza, the sergeant commander who was right before me, they do kind of the research and looking at future requirements. And we do the buying of those requirements, my boss being the Army Acquisition Authority for us. So the real question is, who did you piss off here that

landed you here at this table? I didn't piss off anybody. That you know of. I don't think I pissed off anybody. We've decided unsubscribe is a punishment here. Hold on, hold on. I'm a people person.

People like me. Okay, well, good. They like to talk. We're happy to have you. Actually, that's kind of a joke because I'm usually like pretty introverted. So I'm not sure.

So who do you piss off? I'm not sure how I got to go last and how I ended up down here today. You know what I mean? Hayne, he's the introverted guy. I've never heard him talk before. Send him on the podcast. That is exactly it so uh

they're like hey he can't do much harm he's going last what is like with actually using weapons you have your your m4s everything like that um i actually want from your perspective with shotguns getting implemented more with drone warfare because that is that is the one thing i looked at was like man this is going to be you're going to start training soldiers in a completely new area yeah i think i think you have to look at it in drone warfare as an evolving technology and uh you know it's a layered approach um you know i think uh we have things that are going to hit them far they are pretty far out we have you know some uh things that are going to hit them pretty far out. We have some capabilities that are EW that are pretty far out. And then as they get closer, it becomes a little more kinetic to be able to shoot them.

And then if you think about your last line of defense being a shotgun, that's something where either it's pretty imminent or that you can see it right there. I love that there's nothing new under the sun where you've got all this new technology where, you know, I'm sure you have, you know, jammers and all sorts of stuff, but we go right back to World War I where you have some farm boy from Arkansas just says, parry this shit ass. 12 gates. 100%.

100%. Like, I mean, we've had shotguns, and what better, you know, reach door, shoot down small UAS that's sitting there bothering me, and I can't get to it. So I do think it's the gambit of counter UAS that we're actually taking a look at. And, you know, I think soldier innovation plays a lot into it. You know, you give some kid from Puxatawney, Pennsylvania, a shotgun, and he's like, well, hell, there's a dang U.S. I think I could probably shoot it down. I've accidentally been training for this since I was 11.

So I do think, you know, and especially in my realm now, soldier innovation plays a lot into it to solve problems throughout the Army because it's not always the engineer that's out there that's going to fix those problems. So a lot of soldier touch points, a lot of feedback from the force, a lot of feedback from industry. And, you know, that's how we're developing the force of the future. Nice. You know they're developing the Amazon delivery drone thing in San Antonio? I've been shooting those down because they're coming out. You're the new

porch pirate? Is that what you're doing? They're just aerial pinatas. He's training for World War III, okay. They drop loot. What am I going to do? They're above my house. The loot plate's here. I think somebody's got a place for you.

Farming for XP over there. Cody's the one who gets the haircut today. What was one of your favorite pieces of military equipment you got to use? Let's see here. Have some fun stuff. Yeah, so I think some of the best equipment that I've ever used has probably been just rifles in general. I like shooting. I like going out to the range.

I like being able to get out. I like the new pistol that we brought around. The M17? Yeah, the M17. That was 100%. I can't talk about all the cool new shit. No, no, no, no, no. I like the new m17 pistol uh i did take a trip up

to the manufacturing factory a couple weeks ago and it's amazing how well they're being uh put together the next generation rifle the 6.8 is uh just gonna ask what you thought about that i think it's a i think it's a big leap forward uh actual ballistics. And again, now we're probably going to get blasted by like 30 other people. But I think it's a big leap forward in ballistics and the kinetic transfer of energy. And I think really as we bring that new weapon into the Army, I think we're going to have increases in lethality across the Army and increases in the family of weapon sites that are attached to that are going to be a big move forward. The whole NGSW program was very, very interesting to watch from the outside. I agree with you on the ballistics. The gun I'm more concerned about, but I don't know how much.

You probably can't delve into that at all. But I know some of the other platforms were introduced uh as part of that program were just so weird like some of the general dynamics prototypes yeah were crazy yeah were they the ones with the um plastic cases that was text drawn i think okay but they are like bullpups with like potato looking suppressors and all sorts of just really weird shit it was i mean it's new stuff it's interesting there are very few things that you can be certain of in life. But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning, you can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink, and of course you can rest

assured that with Public Mobile's 5G subscription phone plans you'll pay the same thing every month. With all of the mysteries that life has to offer, a few certainties can really go a long way. Subscribe today for the peace of mind you've been searching for. Public Mobile. Different is calling. Thing at least to me. But I really like the new rifle, and I think we are taking that 10x jump forward, and I think a lot of that is what we have to do now.

We're in a time where we can develop, where we can make advancements and start fielding and trying new equipment. I do appreciate the chief and the SMA's, you know, movement forward with Transforming Contact, where we're experimenting and we're getting new equipment into soldiers' hands and letting them kind of tell us what's going on in the Army and, you know, what's working and what's not working. And then here in a couple, here in a while, we'll slap the table and move forward to the continuous transformation and, you know, pick some things and start moving out on them for further development. Have you guys actually adopted the M250 yet? The light machine gun? Have not. Okay.

I wasn't sure about that or the progress on that. Those were all interesting because they were pretty much the same. Largely, at least from what it looked like to me. A lot of the upgrades were very similar. Everybody was on a similar track. It looks neat. Very light. What was around for that?

Is that the 338? There was a couple different prototypes one of them was uh actually quite a few of them were 338 normal mag i believe yeah and then uh some of them were in that like 68 cartridge okay uh i think i could be talking out of my ass he's the expert i i am i know i have knowledge of it but i think it's it's currently a program that's being looked at. Have you looked at that? Did you get to shoot the 8.6? I did not. That one.

Oh, 8.6 Blackout? We know the guy, don't we? We know the guy. Yeah. It's like the 300 Blackout and 8.6 because you all work with him for those guns and everything. Stuff. Yeah, stuff. Stuff. Stuff.

But when we first shot that rifle in that round we were like yo what is this up super flat dude super flat subsonic too it is a big boy around but you we could mag dump it and all keep on like an mp5 with really yeah we had a 300 grain projectile we had a range day and they brought someone brought on a machine gun eight six yeah And that thing was so flat, just a laser. Oh, I have not. These are in a subsonic ground, but it is still, they're hunting water buffalo. Yeah, and it's subsonic, dropping them with no problem. So it's using...

It's one to three twist rate. Yeah, so it's a centrifugal force. Where the heck were you guys at? Were you hunting the water buffalo? Oh, no, this was a friend of mine. He goes up to South Africa. Gentleman owns. Not trying to get you in trouble.

We get to do that later this year, though. We're excited to go do that. It was the people hunting data that gets you in trouble. It's a blast. Dude, how big is your property? Slightly smaller than Rhode Island. Oh, okay. He has a large property. Like, a large is your property? Slightly smaller than Rhode Island? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.

He has a large property. Like a large, large property. Like, dang. Well, I mean, do you guys got any other questions? I do have to get off and get- Dude, dude, dude. No, you do. We talked about it. We're interrupting your guys' work.

I actually have to go back up. And Jay Garza, the guy who was before me, we had a meeting to go to to talk about what we just experienced over there at JMRC over there in Hohensfeld, Germany, and we're getting ready to brief a couple other senior leaders in the Army. But I really appreciate you guys' time today and appreciate all you're doing. You know, I think venues like this and to keep the message out there and to keep kind of what's going on across the Army is a great venue for us as senior leaders to get that out there. So thanks for all you do.

Thank you. Thank you for allowing us to do this. Thank you. All right. Absolutely. Appreciate your time, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Bud, are you coming on? You want it? Dude, get over here. Get over here. No white cloth., are you coming on? You want it? Dude, get over here. Get over here. No white cloth. We're drinking. No white cloth.

You sure? Yeah, I drank them all already. You're good. What's up? What's up? How's everybody doing, man? It's good to see you again. We got the proper gentlemen in the house now.

Yeah. First officer on the podcast. No pressure. And last. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. Is that a reference to the black bags over there? I'll come back as a civilian, I guess, after this.

We'll see what happens. Good. Yeah. Hey, you look good. Thanks. You too. Thanks. I dressed up.

I know. I did. I wore my nicest tank top. I see that. It smells like white claw. As you come down to the basement, you can my nicest tank top. I see that. It smells like White Claw. Like, as you come down to the basement, you can smell it. Good. It's a sweet White Claw taste that smells like victory.

I want Cersei to know it was me. I was so thankful you guys actually got us White Claws. Like, seriously. We appreciate that. I owe him 20 bucks for that, actually. And we had to get an ETP, I guess. This is Pentagon language. Exception to policy.

It's a memo. We had to drive through the Pentagon and get it all signed. We were joking. We said, if there's any way we can get a copy of that, we'll frame it in our studio forever. Let's do that. We got a copy. Actually, Scott probably has one. Is that approval? We can get a copy of that?

There it is. Can we get four? Can we read it? I was an electrician three years ago, and now the Pentagon's making exceptions for me to come be an idiot. Yeah, that's right. But I mean, I don't see the scent. Just going that through.

Sir, can you sign this? What the? Why? It took a little explanation event is that what this is it's yeah so oh so I'm hosting event that serves alcohol so we did it approximately 12 white clothes I think it's his eight on the memo so okay why did I put eight it's an approximation guys do that is that rocks well yeah you know within 50% that's right yeah do you think you Give it to me. It's an approximation, guys. Well, yeah. You got within 50%. That's right. Do I got to turn these cans into CIF when I leave?

I don't got to go through that, do I? It's expendable. Oh, shit. Yeah, you have to clean and account for. You got to be clean and accounted for. What's the line item description? Alcohol tube type? Something stupid?

And when you leave, you have to say no brass, no ammo. I'm just living the dream. I'm going to dump them out. By the way, thank you so much for being so helpful with a lot of things. Even the video, the doc you did on, what is it? Habitually Fat. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

That was hilarious. Can we tell that story now? Is that allowed? I don't know. You asked them. Yeah, tell that story. But I mean, look, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was hilarious. Can we tell that story now? Is that allowed? I don't know. You asked them. But I mean, look, it's not like us helping.

It's you guys are the ones creating the content. You guys are the ones getting after it. Uh, so I am disappointed that we have to help. And sometimes, but I mean, no shit. There I was me and Fen right over there.

I was eating breakfast at waffle house. I remember because they put chili on my hash browns which was delicious i'd never had it before kid rock was he there no he wasn't unfortunately every time i go to every time i go to uh waffle house i'm like there's got to be kid rocks somewhere there i think me and phil were like the only ones there the waitress like you want chili on your hash browns and i was like yes and it was delicious and she brings the food out and then i get a call from fort sill and they're like we're not gonna let you on post we need to think about it for like 90 days because you guys were approved i was oh yeah i was approved and i would like flew

to oklahoma coordinated with finn finn flew to oklahoma we were at waffle house then we were leaving to go to fort sill an hour away. They're like, can't do it. I'm like, well, I flew here. This is a huge waste of time and money, unfortunately. I call Eli. I tell him. I was like, I'm going to try to find a different museum or something. Try to not waste the trip. Eli's like, I got a guy.

I'll call him. Eli calls me back five minutes later. My guy's going to make a call. Before I was able to finish breakfast this guy was like oh no he's he's allowed to film at fourth center they rolled out the red carpet yeah and we we made habitually fat the first episode happened anyways and it's a like yeah it's a kick-ass episode yeah dude it's like all the love that massive episode yeah everybody loves it for the army too right right? Yeah. It was all positive.

I was super impressed. Yeah. Corey, the director of the, technically not a museum because everything's not demilled. Everything is still technically an active weapon system. In that case,

I don't own a museum. Yeah. So Corey was super cool. That guy knew everything. I was throwing the hardball questions as I could come up with and the movie knew every answer to everything immediately. I mean, it just sucks to see that like the army has so much

cool shit like that that they have for the purpose of posterity and you know keeping it for future generations so people can see this stuff but you know not a lot of people can and so like it's i think it's cool to have opportunities like that to be able to show people like hey this is you know this is where we came from this is what we did look at all the cool we stole from the germans and the japanese in world war ii that was half the museum i was looking at that in the hallways yeah oh yeah quite a few war trophies everything we came up to in that museum cory was like so there's only three of these on the planet i have two of them they're right here it's like germany has to send their students over here to look at this because they don't have any.

We stole theirs. Oh, multiple things. That's awesome. They're like, yeah, they don't even have these anymore. We destroyed all theirs and then we stole these two. They're the only ones left. And when they stole them, they like flew in a helicopter. Like one of those stories you were telling, it's like flew in a helicopter.

Oh, that was when we stole an MI-25 Hind from the Soviet Union. No big deal. It was like, oh, we have this new badass apache helicopter equivalent that's way better and we're like cool we're gonna fly in you know the night stalkers they're gonna land a plane pull their helicopters out fly in yoink your and then we're gonna realize it sucks then we're gonna put it in a museum in alabama it's pretty much exactly what happened fat electrician right here. That's it. That was the episode.

By the way, there's only eight on the form, so if you'd like one. I can't. On the form, it says we will not be drinking government civilians or those in uniform. What if we blur out your uniform? He's a floating head. It just cuts off for five seconds and he pulls it up and his uniform is back on. every time it just blurs the name table it's a black box we don't know what's in your coffee cup it's true i do just trying to find ways no but that's good i mean what you guys are doing, just, you know, it's obviously not like traditional public affairs or PR or whatever, but you guys are connecting with audiences.

And, you know, General George, he's a big fan of yours. And like, let's get out there and tell the story. And we say that stuff all the time. Can you grab the mic closer to you? a story and we say that stuff all the time we just don't do it yeah it's awesome to see the the army too like adapting to the next generation of communications because really like there was a time trying to adapt well yeah that's probably we're getting there we're getting there we're getting it but because there was a time when radio and television were non-standard for you know communications and stuff like that for the army. They all had to be adapted to eventually. We're rapidly approaching the point we all get cat cards that say DOD

designated dipshit. We're approved to be idiots on the internet on behalf of the DOD. You're approved. It's official. We just got united. Also, we were told there is an sma uh what is it shut the fuck up no we're making this happen oh you have a favor to ask you picked up the microphone for that so we were informed by a previous sergeant major i believe it was uh sergeant major stevens informed us that there is a designated uh honorary sergeant

major of the army given out every year that's right and brandon herrera at least according to chad gpt is the most decorated war veteran in american history hey and i think it'd be pretty cool if he i hate you both i love it i have no part in that sentence well you had you had part in what led up to it are you aware of the joke not the joke okay i mean this sounds this so i i never served in any any regard i came from you know military family and everything he's so humble for born at fort bragg um but oh so you you read my file we have a little card on you yeah like this but the um uh one episode it was like the last veterans day yeah uh eli tried to pin his purple heart on me i'm like get that stolen valor away from me and it became a running joke within the audience

so they just kept making up more and more stuff every time we do live shows they bring medals like you know we have a huge military audience they bring medals out to live shows and everything and so now if you ask chat gpt or grok or any of those it's the meta one oh wow the other ones it's like they're celebrating the medal of honor recipient brandon okay it's like ai has no idea so i'm honored to be in your presence that's like a i have no idea i'm honored to be in your presence the joke is that this is the first time in american history you know everybody's seen stolen valor uh but nobody's seen forced valor before okay and it's hey maybe started with a joke maybe you know Maybe you deserve it. I don't know.

He has Class A's. They've made him Class A's. He has diamonds. Virtual? No, like real. No, like real. He has a blue cord. He has a C-I-B.

He has like a C-A-B. 17 Army Achievement Medals. He's got a Medal of Honor. He's got six names. But are you a public affairs officer? Have you been to the Defense Information School? Can we add that?

I'm looking at the audience. Can you add that? Let's go. There's no public affairs badge, is there? No. There might be now. Yeah. Like a PAO on the shoulder according to the internet he served in all four branches from world war ii to current and the hair just stayed the

same 16 years before my birthday what is what is the sergeant major of the army what is that award or whatever that take what is it oh the for the civilian the honorary yeah so probably asking the wrong guy ish but um so people that really lean forward and uh and help the army in whatever way you know in the personal capacity uh they'll be recognized as as a honorary sergeant major of the army is there only one a year or is there multiple? One a year, guys. Dan says one a year. He's already raised $100,000 for veterans last two months ago. Yeah.

And look what you guys are doing here. I mean, I know we're all joking and stuff. This is the deal. It's true and I can't fight it. I'm sweating, dude. He's raised like hundreds of... This is like one of the only things that makes me uncomfortable. I know, but dude, I will stand at parade rest

for you if you get... I'd rather you drop the hard R. Dude, I will lock up so fast for you. Like, who's our major? And we can call... Like, with that, are they called to our major? Dan? I don't believe so.

I mean, you can probably do it. You can call them whatever you want. Civilian major. We're also, this is actually, this is first announced on Unsubscribe. We're going to have the Army Green Jacket Award every year. And same kind of concept. Those who help the Army, civilian side, we'll bestow them with the honorary green jacket.

That's kind of cool. We'll become a club. Think about it in 10, 15 years. We can have a gathering of green jackets, people getting together. That'd be cool. So that's a new thing rolling out? Yeah.

So maybe we'll get to it by Army 250. Did you guys talk about the Army birthday? Not yet. Oh, man. We're just saving it for the end, huh? We've got the 250 coming up. Yeah, the 250th anniversary of your United States Army, June 14th, right?

Unless you're in Canada, in which case it will be your army. Moving along? Between... He's like... Fast forward. Between the US Army and Kendrick Lamar, they don't stand a chance. I mean, let's be realistic. So we got...

The E4's in the back got it. So we got the two. The E4 is in the back. Got it. Being an E4. They're just not like us, I guess. How is being an E4 like? Is there an E4 here? I'd like to meet that person. Dang it.

Even being a Sauron, is it terrifying when you first were? Yeah. She's a pro. She's so serious yeah okay yeah what's the thing because like in the army they give you that little sheet where they're like list off your top three preferred bases and we'll try to send you to where they want nobody lists the pentagon no i've never thought about that. Not a soul has ever listed it. I didn't know that was an option, to be honest with you. Well, yeah, one of the E4s we were talking to earlier, he said this is his first duty We had an E4.

This is his first assignment. Like, he's fresh as an AIT. Wow. You get new. We shouldn't do that. We shouldn't do that. You're like, what was his name again? Yeah, I got it.

He's gone. Let's go to the line. I'm sure the kid wants to be on the line. Just like we all want to be on the line. I'm sure he does. I did not know that. Was he medic or something? He did.

Oh, yeah? Okay. He was. You're writing a new memo in your head right now. That was a mistake. Accepting the policy. 12 white claws. And send this guy to the law. Whoever that guy's mom is, sorry.

Mom, I got a safe job at the Pentagon. Imagine what a wild ride that would be as a parent. You send your 18-year-old child off to Army basic training and nine months later hits you up. Mom, I'm stationed at the Pentagon. Never mind. The retard showed up with microphones and now I'm not. Yeah, we would get to play. I imagine he wants to go to the line.

Right? Don't you guys think? What if you got orders to the Pentagon? I was very confused. I would laugh hysterically the entire time. Not that it's a bad place. We do a lot of good things here, okay? Holy moly.

It sounds mean on the Pentagon, all right? We're doing a good job. If I ever get a time machine, I would go back in time to like in Congress or whoever decided the Pentagon and be like, just listen to that drunk conversation between world leaders. Hear me out. Instead of four walls. What if it had five walls?

Well, build it huge. That's it. That's actually a good, a fat electrician story. It's was 14 months. It took to build the Pentagon. Did it really?

It's a big ass building. It's a big ass building was 14 months it took to build the Pentagon. Did it really? It's a big-ass building. It's a big-ass building. 14 months or 15 months. It was a super short time. I mean, to compare that to, like, building a government building. It's so far from Mexico. You don't have good workers. That's what I was going to say. I was like, my people built this? At that time span.

I'm always like, so I'm sitting here, and every time Brandon speaks, I'm always like, so I'm sitting here. Just saying. And every time Brandon speaks, I'm like, don't respond. That's been my favorite part. What's better than a well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue? A well-marbled ribeye sizzling on the barbecue that was carefully selected by an Instacart shopper and delivered to your door. A well-marbled ribeye you ordered without even leaving the kiddie pool.

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laugh and whoever's sitting right here just lock in just ignore just move on yeah what's the saying there's pyramids in mexico too nobody questions yes you've invented the complex geometric structure, a pile. Pentagon. Did you guys, did they hear about transformation in contact? No. All right, all right, come on, let's talk about that. How are we on time?

No, we're good. All right. Okay, okay. We're on your time. We weren't expecting you. I was like, come on. Let's talk about that. How are we on time? No, we're good. All right. Okay, okay. We're on your time. We weren't expecting you. That's why I was like, hell yeah. Oh, the spokesman is here. So great.

Okay. You probably shouldn't do this, spokesman. We're doing a great job. The white club man is here. The white club man. Air quotes. Okay. No,formation contact.

Here's, so General George knows what we do at the Pentagon, right? And so we decided instead of driving change from the Pentagon, right? Instead of us coming up, I'm doing it again. Us coming up with PowerPoint slides and telling the force, telling the rest of the Army, here's how it's going to be. Here's the equipment you're going to use. Here's how you're going to use it. So General George, being a line guy,

and what this future E4 will be doing, we said, let's transform while this stuff is out there and get bottom-up lessons learned right so we're getting all the new equipment kind of some of the stuff you talked about all new equipment and a brigade at a time we're sending it down this last brigade from germany had 200 i think drones they had the new vehicles they had the new guns And you send it out down there, and we're like, here's some kind of loose parameters. And then tell us how it works. Tell us, you know, how you're going to use it.

How would you integrate it into your formation? How does it work tactically in maneuver space? And then we take those lessons. So bottom up, some of these drones don't work in the cold. Some of these drones are really good for this, but they not good for that some of these robots are good for this but not for that we take all those lessons then we put in the pentagon gonculator and then we start to make buying decisions and and organization decisions based on bottom up lessons learned it seems like a normal thing to do but it's not normal

in army or pentagon way yeah listening to the people who use the equipment it's weird right eli how much did that happen when you're in we gotta listen to you quite a lot so so we're trying to do that uh actually we are doing it uh A lot. We got listened to quite a lot. So we're trying to do that. Actually, we are doing it. To your testament, it was him being able to film a video that fast with that turn. That was the first time.

That was insane. Dude, and it was like, holy shit, that is good change. That is the change everyone would be happy to hear. It is, look, this got done quickly. That is the change everyone would be happy to hear. Yeah. It is, look, this got done quickly. That is wild. And now even what you're saying is like, hey, we're listening to the line. Yeah. And it's actually going to be listened to really quickly at the top. And you guys are like rolling out changes.

We're trying. Which is wild. Yeah. I will say that when we had that dinner over in Austin that one with uh with general george i i didn't really know what to expect going in and just how the conversation was going to go but you know organizations like this especially anything with government in it you expect it to have like a good bit of bureaucracy and whatnot but i was really i i found it a very pleasant surprise that he reminded me more of someone who spoke like a business person than a bureaucrat. I was like, oh, thank God.

Yeah, yeah. And he's been an awesome contact, and I'm really enjoying seeing what he's doing. Thanks. Yeah. There's still the bureaucracy, to be fair. Sure. We're still governed by all these laws and acquisitions policy, and we're just banging our heads. Laws.

Laws. policy and we're just banging our head. The Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention. I'm going to send you a Never a War Crime the first time shirt. Just give me your address. Don't respond. It's like I already have one. We take the Geneva Convention very seriously. I leaned into that. No, but the acquisition stuff.

And so we're working with Congress, we're working with OSD, and the boss is to try to change the acquisitions process to make it faster and faster and faster. But the bottom line is General George, because he's honestly a soldier at heart, and I know I'm a spokesman,

I know how this sounds, I believe it, and people do anyway. He thinks about these guys down in line and these gals down in line and getting stuff to them quickly and stuff that they can use not the big fielding of stuff that we find out quickly it doesn't work and unfortunately we're locked into buying it for the next seven years we're buying stuff in short increments and just faster and faster so that was awesome but yeah and hearing him and some of the stuff he was talking about with how they're changing acquisitions in general so why are we buying something for 15 years i don't know how much i can talk about but like why are we buying things now that are designed now that will be implemented in 15 years when in 15

years they'll be obsolete that's that's the pentagon acquisitions process governed by congress that's that's how it is so we're trying to break that whole thing and uh so far we're making some progress because you have so much within in congress like not to get on that soapbox we have so many people that are basically making decisions for america's war fighters based on, well, I need 200 jobs in Idaho. When it's like, okay, I thought we just need to build the best equipment we possibly fucking can so our people can get really good at killing people. That's what I thought we were doing. But a lot of those, a lot of congressmen are like, well, I promised 30 steel jobs here and this, this, that. And like, so they're making decisions that aren't in the best interest of the army.

Not responding. Yeah. So we, so General George is pressing to make decisions that are best for the army. And the only thing missing from that dinner, frankly, and missing from today is our Sergeant Major in the Army, Mike Weimer, you know, very good friend of mine for decades. Just an amazing dude. Sergeant Major in the Army, Mike Weimer, very good friend of mine for decades. Amazing. Just an amazing dude. And he's right there with General George.

Everything's from the soldier's perspective with these guys. It's great to be a part of it. It's why I stayed in the Army, because I know these guys are trying to make this change. It is. And when you say, like, General George is a soldier first and he cares, this is a Clint Romashet Medal of Honor recipient from – he's like, hey, it's George, that long-distance running machine. I'll always remember how he put his career on the line to take care of my guys. That's a Medal of Honor recipient praising the leadership that's in charge of everything, which is awesome. Fucking awesome.

And then what we've seen on our end is like again it's like that super fast it's for the first time ever i was like holy shit this is wild oh like when we have lunch and he's like i love cutting through red tape and you guys are big on that you're like we need to talk about like the yeah yeah i hear them say stuff like that and i think the same thing like i hear during the doge stuff i'm just like whoo like the giddy ron swanson like oh yeah let's just tear it all down let's make a difference in the right way and now you got the arm like the 250th coming up which you're putting on a huge big time huge event for that one yeah we're trying to we're trying to take over all of dc get it broadcasted over all the venues including youtube and uh and and and just let all of america see what the army's all

about and really build some pride not only just in the army but like use it to talk about america and the type of people that we freaking are right i? I mean, you know, this is a good freaking country with good people. God, Unsub's gonna commentate the 250th anniversary. Yes! Can we? Yeah! Oh my god. We'll be the ringside commentators. Everybody except me, apparently. You know. We're not giving this guy a lot of heat.

Yeah, you're CMA, homie. Civilian major of the army. Yeah. Ready to wear your uniform. Oh god. please wear your uniform and your hat and like all this stuff yeah that's great do that i mean we would be down to do i i'll volunteer myself i'm gonna be like joe rogan sitting cage side i'm'm going to be pumped. Yeah, we would 100% go. And here comes J.D. Vance with a steel chair. We just go chaos for it.

Dude, that would be amazing. Do you guys have any more planned for it as it leads up or is it still in the works? It's in the works. It's in the works. So we're meeting with white house on it so they they seem to be on board because you know to take over dc and that way we're going to need support from the white house um and uh we're talking to people let me see how to say this people are are talking to the production people about like how how to give money to get this done sponsorships and all that

stuff so um it's coming along i'm anxious so to like actually see the plan and you know know we're going to execute we don't we're not in a place where we know we're going to execute yet we're almost there the 250th anniversary of the army brought to you by Raytheon. Lockheed Martin. Yeah, those sponsors. That's a joke. That's probably what it's going to be. It's a joke because it's really not a joke. I think we're $20 trillion in debt to be second? Nah.

This is going to be the best Army birthday in any country ever. I'm looking forward to it. Oh, we are. I'm looking forward to it. Especially if we can get involved. You got to get involved already. Sergeant Major Herrera.

Yeah, absolutely. Do you have a colonel calling you Sergeant Major Herrera? Flip it. This is the next one. Why did I agree to this, man? Vice Admiral, whatever. Clip it. This is the next one. Why did I agree to this, man? Vice Admiral, whatever. We're going to need the second exception form for that commentation.

What was it like first meeting? You met Brandon and I at the one event, and then you stayed in contact a little bit. Then you started watching, or is it your son that was super into that electrician yeah yeah I mean admittedly like I was super pumped on it and then they the Iranian Navy episode and that so of course I'm like hey you gotta check this out son and anyway so I'm not a super fan. My 15-year-old son is a 16-year-old son. If you were a pirate, would you keep a parrot on this shoulder or this shoulder? That's right. Oh, God.

I like it on this one. Hairy armpits. Hairy armpits. Is that what you did to the people next to you on the plane? Maybe. You came in dressed up, though. I know. This is my nicest tank top.

No, but when we first saw you, you had a shirt on he made me do it oh okay we talked eli made me yeah you're coming through security with white claw put a shirt on something like that i mean i i err on the other side where it's just like if you be so ridiculous there's a certain like threshold where you're like there's no way this guy's not telling the truth. Nobody has the balls to try to lie like this. That's kind of my mantra as well. Just kidding. That's the PR guy.

No, but she asked a question. So we had dinner in Austin. That was cool. And then it was just, what was that next step for you? You were like, I'll actually listen to these guys maybe on some of the, or get involved. Because that was mind-blowing to all of us. Well, so I think there is a movement in the Army, and I should probably say across the DOD, to recognize that you guys are talking to a lot

of people and a lot of people uh not just the americans that we care about but a lot of people that we care about for recruiting and for support and um there's there's a need or it's dumb not to outreach right and you know watch a couple episodes on scribe and and that electrician and super excited to meet don't an operator by the way I mean so love to name to everybody at this table except for the admiral you're like yeah i'm super excited for all you guys and then there's the liability we can edit it out you know spokesperson for the army is super excited to meet the

guy that's notorious for breaking down shooting videos of that's pretty cool uh so uh where were we so so anyway we should do we should do more of this it's interesting and and i'm gonna say this in a polite way because because i think a lot of the guy a lawyer um this was actually yesterday that was helping us get this this exception of policy sign for the white clause the eight white clause um said hey it's a podcast so i need to do a legal review and we got into a uh not an argument a professional discussion i was like I I don't do legal reviews for media things like that's on you know that's up to our expertise is like well it's a podcast so gotta do a legal review I was like yeah no you or that one. Well, it demonstrates an institutional thing, right?

So this guy who's got all good intentions and, you know, he's trying to protect the boss in the army. He's thinking that because it's a podcast. It's a podcast. I'll stop doing that. No, please. I love it. He felt like there was some extra measure of legal review that we had to do, and there's just simply not.

What was the justification? Well, there wasn't. So he was just because it was just a podcast. And I think he was thinking of it more in like an event type thing, because if any of us are going to go attend an event for a non-federal entity there there should be a legal review right so we're spending taxpayer dollars to go i'm speaking in uniform and and there's got to be an ethics review that like these people aren't um charging 200 for to see me speak nobody would do that but to see general george speak or whatever so there's

got to be an ethics review for those types of things and that's kind of how he was thinking of it just because it wasn't you know the new york times or traditional media and that was a discussion we had i said you should judge this the same as you would judge nbc or whatever this is this is a media outlet and we need to consider it that way and so it's a new way of thinking. Not really, but we just got to drive it through the institution. You're doing an amazing job. That's what's wild. I'm the news now.

Which is kind of funny. You joke around, but at the same time, we have this facade of we're just four idiots, which don't get me wrong, we are. But like we still like we put such a heavy emphasis on, you know, mental health, you know, individuals who are in the military, have been out of the military, giving them support, raising money for the autism charities, the veteran groups and stuff like that. Like, don't get me wrong, we're all just palling around having a good time. But like, we really do have a heavy focus on real stuff. I think that kind of is what sets that apart this is the purpose of the community that was built i would drink i'm out also yep but uh it was hey let's actually give back help others for everything

that they've given us and then also just have fun and then let them be part of that but for first it is the mission of like hey let's help others first and foremost. Help whoever we can, whether it's veterans, whether it's autism, special needs. It's like, hey, let's just do that. That costs us time. That's it. But it makes a really big difference. And then it's all them also being able to help with that, which is awesome.

Awesome. And now we get to talk to individuals like yourself, which is in places like this, which is awesome awesome and now we get to talk to individuals like yourself which is in places like this which is wild and then that's an awesome word for that yeah yeah well thanks for coming i mean it's really cool that you guys came and this will be uh i i want to see the reaction across you know my community like the folks that do this for for a profession and then across the institution like we're proving something here you know something that can be done just like when you went to fort sill and i told my guys like let's get these guys across the army and across america all of our installations you're welcome there you know i can speak for general george and say

you're welcome to come out and just hang out or tape a podcast or whatever. We're going to do combat diving school. We're going to do that. What do you call it? Blacking out? Yeah. He said, and I quote, I didn't really drown. My brain just had too much carbon monoxide in it.

It was carbon dioxide, and it was like sometimes the tunnel just gets closer and closer and closer, and then somebody picks you up out of the water. I did. Shut up. Early in my time, I did a Discovery Channel Surviving the Cut. Is that what it was called? Yeah. I did an episode out in Key West.

What a terrible assignment it was terrible i was a public affairs officer for the special forces school and then i went down to key west and and uh helped you know facilitate that i'm not a diver uh but that was a cool experience great cadre of dudes down there and they're literally on an island but figuratively as well just like by themselves out there super professional um and uh yeah it wasn't a bad time to spend a couple weeks out there living the dream life i wasn't diving so i'm just standing back behind the camera because that looks like it sucks we ran the gamut on that you got Fort Drum and Key West not too hard of a choice

oh man, Cody, you want to close us out? bye everyone, thank you for coming to the unsubscribe podcast, I was joined today by Eli Doubletap, fat electrician how should I introduce you? Dave Butler. Dave Butler! Brandon Herrera, myself, Donald Operator. We are at the Pentagon, and we love you all. Thank you!

Can we find you anywhere? Where do we find you? Social? Army? U.S. Army man? Well, if you're thinking about joining the Army, it's GoArmy.com, and our regular social is at U.S. Army. Thank you, Dan. In 25 years, you could be right here.

Being interviewed by us. Or if you start making videos on the internet, you could be here in three years. Just saying. Wait. It's better to join the Army. That's where you got to start. Yeah. No, I wouldn't be here if I didn't join the Army first, but you know. What he said. Do that and then three years of

stupid internet videos and then you get to sit next to this guy. Love you guys. Mwah. Thank you.