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We have Brandon Herrera. Brandon Herrera is Oma. Eli Doubletat, myself, Donut Operator.
Thank you so much for joining us.
It feels so weird being on this side.
I usually sit there every time.
Oh, is this throwing you off a little bit?
Yeah, I'm like, what?
This is normally Eli's seat on the left side.
This is the first time ever in 200 episodes.
We're so excited to have you.
Thank you for coming.
You're welcome.
Are you excited?
Yes.
You're excited.
I'm really excited.
I teased this, I don't know, maybe 20, 30 episodes ago.
I just thought about it while we were recording.
I'm like, oh, man.
My Oma's lived a lot of life and she's got some crazy stories and I think our audience might be interested
in hearing some of them. I pitched it by the guys. They said they'd
love to come out here and talk to you and here we are.
Why don't you want to hear an old lady's childhood
experience? Yes, of course, amazing stories. Brandon has given us a
brief glimpses of your history and it is phenomenal and I think that's where we start is you were,
where were you when you were a kid? Where did you grow up at? I was in Mannheim and I remember I was in Mannheim, and I remember I was about six years old.
I went to school, and everything was still quiet.
So I don't know if I was in school for one or two years.
I'm not sure.
And then when the sirens went off more often,
we had less in the school. But then they bombed the
surrounding areas so the school were closed. And then we had an organization
in Mannheim where they sent children, they want to get out of the danger areas
to send them away to safe places. So get them out of Germany and to other places?
Yeah. So just real quick when you were six years old like what time
period was that like 1940? wait what year were you born 32 1932 okay
so it's would have been like 38 39 gotcha so um my mom said you got it both
of my brother my youngest brother and myself so well about the first one to
get picked of course of us tiny you know you were the you were the first one to get picked, of course, I was tiny and you know.
You were the pretty one. That was the way I always heard the story.
Yes. And I really had good people. They took me in. They were rich people, okay.
And this was in France?
Yes. It was outside of France, you know, small town, I forgot the name of it.
And I had it made because they had only one son and he was a baker.
Boy, the good cakes he brought home.
And I really should have been happy there, but I wasn't
because she wouldn't let me go see my friends, surrounding friends, you know.
She wanted me to be more with her friends.
And I got more and more homesick.
And my mom came and visited, and everything was still okay then.
But then they mentioned to adopt me. That was it. I saved my money up. I had an allowance every week from them and one
day I went on the train and I went home. I left everything behind.
So this is you're going from France back to Germany during this time?
Because they said they wanted to adopt you, right? Yeah, they wanted to adopt me and that scared me
so I took off. Because you're at six years old at this time? No, I was a little older, maybe
eight, nine, I would say, you know. And then what time did you separate from your parents?
Eight or nine is when they separated you from and moved you to France from your parents?
Yeah.
And then I didn't stay too long with my friends.
I would say maybe six, eight months.
Okay.
And then I went back home.
But still at eight, that's wild.
And my mom was so mad. And you I went back home. But still at eight, that's wild. And my mom was so mad.
And you went back alone?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So alone.
From France to Germany alone?
Alone.
And you bought a ticket by yourself.
You saved up.
Yes.
I was every day on the train station.
I said, I want to go home, but I don't have enough money, you know.
So I said, I'm going to save all my money on my allowance.
And one day I did it.
I just went, you know.
So like I said.
Most eight-year-olds today don't know how to order a pizza on the phone.
It's true.
I take my nine-year-old to the bus
because I don't think he can make it.
And that's two blocks away.
Anyway, when I went home, she was pretty upset, my mom.
And I said, don't send me back, please.
You know, I don't want to go back.
I want to be with you.
So that was number one. Then they were bombing
Mannheim for the first time and we had at the time we had a room in the
underground bunker. Every night we spent the night there.
Okay.
Yeah. Daytime we went home, but sometimes the siren went off so we go to different cellars,
you know, whatever we were close by. And that one day we were looking for food because we were rationed at the time
and we had about half a little bread a week, you know.
We even eat, I hate to say that, horse meat.
It was pretty good at the time.
And we had nothing, right?
Meat's meat.
If you've ever had Taco Bell, then you've had it too.
Yeah.
So, where was I?
I said the bunkers.
Yeah.
This is 1940-ish, or?
Oh, don't ask me for this.
Oh, you're a good girl. You're good.
I don't remember the years.
All right. Early 40 you're good, girl. You're good. I don't remember the years. All right.
Early 40s, I would say.
I don't know 100% the age either, you know.
Yeah, you're good.
But pretty close.
So that day, we went to the bunker and there was a bomb.
As a matter of fact, one of the bombs hit the bunker.
But it didn't injure nobody.
Okay.
And it was pretty close but it was okay.
And I don't know if I should tell you that story.
We had bunk beds, two, four, six bunk beds in that room.
There was my mother on the bottom I was on the
second my father was right on the second one and the other one and friend of ours
were with us they were good friends and we always left the door open but like
this so we get little light into the room and I and
that's the door to like the outside hallway in the bunker or to the yeah
there were light on the outside this is underground this is no light it's just
pitch black if that door is closed okay there is okay yeah but because we didn't
want to sleep with the light on we left the door open to get light from the hallway.
So I woke up.
Do you ever smell somebody that smokes a lot?
Yes, Connor.
Yeah, Connor.
No.
What did I do?
I mean, heavy.
Connor.
I smoke a lot of cigarettes online, sorry. I mean heavy. I woke up and there was a tall guy standing right in front of my bed.
I was uncovered, okay, I had pajamas on and I thought, I was scared, of course I had a pyjama on, and I thought, I was scared, of course I was a young girl, you know, and
I didn't want to scream, so I just moved back from the bed to the wall and I tried to wake
my brother up.
My brother said, ah, there she goes again, she got a nightmare, because I did have nightmares
sometimes, you know, from the war.
And I said, please, I beg somebody.
No, he meant to close the door, see, and it was pitch black.
And that's what really scared me.
And I said, please, somebody get up and turn the light on.
There's somebody in here, you know. Like I said, my brother said up and turn the light on, there's somebody in here, you know.
Like I said, my brother said, she's got nightmares.
But the lady that we know, she said, I get up here, she says, I turn the light on.
So he was laying on a bench in the room, right, like he was sleeping, but he wasn't sleeping, you know, I know better.
And they called the, what they called the manager from the underground bunker and the
preacher, and they came in and they said, sir, you don't have a place to stay? Or you need, you know, he wouldn't answer, like he was sound asleep.
I said, he's not sleeping.
He was just standing here, you know.
And so my dad, the guys that were across the hall, my dad and other guys,
they came over and they got then shook him, you know,
says, look, you need some places to stay or what is it, you know? And all of a
sudden he jumped up and he run out of the room and he said something in a
different language. We didn't know what it was. But
he had a German uniform on. But it was not complete. He only had a jacket on, you see.
And he went right, we were, I remember right next to the exit and the entrance. He took
off and we never seen him again, you know.
Who do you think he was,on like it does a deserter
the way i'd heard the story before i i would have assumed deserter but the other language was
it's interesting i don't i don't really i don't know what like people cousin us out or something
you know something like this you had no idea what language you just you knew it was different
he was kind of yeah he. He was not sure.
And he just snuck in in the middle of the night.
And thankfully, was it the smell that woke you up?
Yeah.
He had a real bad smell, like a real heavy smoker.
And maybe drinking, you know.
But anyway, from that day on, they closed the doors in the bunker
so nobody could go in and out, you know, after a certain time.
If only the Buffalo public school system could take some notes.
It was Connor, dude.
I really don't like the comparisons being made between me and this predator.
But you look great for your age.
That would have been terrifying, especially when you're 8 to 10 years old at that time.
Maybe I'm a little older, maybe 10.
That's still...
Because you would have been, so if you were born in 32, you would have been 12 to 13 when the war ended?
I think I was almost 15.
14, I would say.
14, okay.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
So within that time span.
Right.
And you'd go down there.
So it was the evening.
So during the day you would be up and then going back.
We'd be at home.
You know, when the sirens went off, we said,
are we going to which place?
Depends if we were out looking for food, of course.
My mom and I, we used to go to the farmers and trade clothes or sheets, stuff, you know, for food.
Because we didn't have enough food, you know.
And, well, anyway, my brother and I, we used to look if our house was still standing, you know.
So we walked home, of course, looking.
The houses were burning, you know, that nothing came down on us.
And we came to this giant hole.
I'll never forget that.
Giant hole.
And I said, what's this?
And the closer we got, we seen that big bomb, I mean,
big one. It was not exploded, you see. I don't know what they say in English, but we say
, you know. It didn't explode. And my father's a smart brother, he was only a year older than I.
He said, don't move.
And I would freeze in there.
What do you want me to do, you know?
He took off.
He left me standing there.
Dude, all I'm saying is me and my friends would have thrown rocks at it.
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And I said, why did you do that?
I was tiptoeing backwards, you know.
He says, I tried to get help. I said, you tell me to stop.
But anyway.
That's a funny explanation.
Yeah.
So that was a big bomb just sitting in the middle of the road, especially at that age.
Yeah, that was.
Antique. middle of the road, especially at that age. Yeah, that was antique.
How was
your view at that time?
What was your understanding at that
age of what's going on? You understood
there was a war going on,
but was it just like
we're civilians, we're scared, we're just trying
to get out of the war?
My mind was, how long is it going to be?
When is it over?
That's what I always said. But it was long, how long is it going to be? When is it over? Right? That's what I always said.
But it was long, long, long.
In a way, that day.
Then my mom got kind of restless again.
She says, the drone bombs now in our city,
they get closer and closer,
and they're getting more and more, you know.
So she says,
you need to go to our friends in the Black Forest.
We had friends in the Black Forest.
And it was safe there.
They didn't bomb there, you know.
And I said, Mom, don't send me away again, you know.
I didn't want to go.
But meanwhile, before she sent me anyway, we went to, like I said, looking where we could get some food.
And the siren went off and said, it's too late to go to Abanga,
where we went, we went to a different place.
Let's go home.
I said, Mom, I'm hungry.
You know, let's get something to eat.
And we go in our cellar.
And we did.
And there was another funny story.
It was on the 10th of May, a day before my birthday.
I said, oh, they send me a birthday gift early.
There's that dark humor.
Yeah, I love it.
It's generations, dear.
And, well, we made it through this one.
But afterwards, we found out that cellar we used to go to when we were out,
that was supposed to be bomb booth, okay, so they said.
And we found out the bomb that came from the back into the cellar
and killed so many people.
And we went there, of course, terrified.
I remember that.
Went there and I found that baby, you know, and I grabbed that baby
and I cleaned the sand and the dirt and everything out, you know.
And the mother screaming for her babies.
She had half of her face missing.
I seen that like yesterday.
And the baby died in my arms, you know.
But there were no doctors, you know, hospitals, nothing.
Everything was a mess.
So we had to tell the lady, we're okay, we got your baby, you know, just to get her calmed down, you know.
And the rest of the bodies, they brought them to school areas or restaurants and they lined them up and covered them, you know. And my brother was always gone, my dad. They had to help, help them stupid Nazis
to build a wall by the water. We lived right by the water, you see. And they were
put in like a safety wall or something. I don't know.
So they were always gone.
So we didn't know what happened to them.
So we looked at everybody, hoping we don't find them, you know.
And, oh.
Thank you so much.
It's okay.
And then it was, everything was filled up, they put the bodies up in trucks, just, you
know, put them up in trucks.
We don't know where they went or what.
And anyway, another day, another alarm, right?
So we went back to, I think it was our cellar.
Yeah.
And we heard commotions.
There were English planes were shut down over our city.
And the parachute, the guy came down in our street, you know, where we lived.
And, of course, some people, oh, there's one of them.
You know how it was.
It was war. Do you remember if it was American or British or who it was?
It was not American.
It was British.
The English came in first, the English.
And so my mom, she was more outspoken than I am, but she went over there and she
said, you leave that young man alone. You know, she said, I got a son and he's in Africa
in El Alamein. He got a prisoner in El Alamein and then shipped to the States, right? And
she tried to protect that young man. There were two SS guys right there and they arrested
my mom. They said she's a country traitor. She was taken to the, I don't know where they were, you know, their offices or whatever,
and they put a sign out with other people that she was a country traitor.
But I'm jumping ahead there because meanwhile there was more stuff going on me at backtrack.
Absolutely but to finish that out real quick I think what and correct me if I
get any of this wrong because I've yes is over the course of years here and you
know stories some of them secondhand but they said that they were I was told that
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If not, Nazi was gathering.
They took off, you know.
That's a little bit too far.
Because I forgot the second trip to the Black Forest.
What is the Black Forest?
It's an area close to Switzerland.
Okay.
And they lived there, but they were good friends of ours. They moved there. And I felt good there
because I knew them, you know. Is it a town
inside a forest or is it just a city? It's a region. No, it's a little city
called Black Forest. Okay.
So I went to school there, you know, and then my mom
came to visit again and she got sick. So... The Black Forest. Oh, okay. It's real pretty. Beautiful. Oh my god yeah. Gorgeous.
Gorgeous. Yeah. So my mom got sick. She had gallbladder attack and they didn't
have a doctor in that little town you know. So they took it, I would say, I don't know, what, four miles away to the hospital.
She had surgery there.
And I walked, I think, I couldn't do it again.
I don't think I could.
I walked through the woods by myself, smelling the boars.
You know what a boar is?
The big pigs?
Pretty bad animal, you know.
Yeah, boars do. Very aggressive.
When I smelled them, I was going just looking, you know,
and see which tree can I climb, you know.
Just walking through the Black Forest alone as a child.
Alone that time.
My shoes, I had holes in.
Honestly, by the time I got to that hospital.
You said every time you smelled a boar, you were ready to climb a tree.
Yeah, yeah.
And this is like 12 years old?
Probably younger. Yeah, Yeah. And this is like 12 years old. Probably younger. Younger.
It's true.
In a way, they were all nice.
The hospital, they let me stay there because my mom, you know, and until she could travel.
And then we took her back to the friends of ours, you know, but by train.
And she stayed until she felt better.
And then she said, honey, I got to go home.
She brought her husband, you know.
So she left.
I said, okay, it was hard thinking she wasn't completely healed, you know.
But I stayed a while and then I said, no, I got to go home, you know.
I got to take care of her.
And I did it again.
I saved my money and I went on the train, hidden from Mannheim and on the way to Mannheim I heard sirens in the distance
and the train stopped and they said everybody out go to the woods there were
a lot of woods you know because they used to target the bridges, the trains, you know.
So all the infrastructure that they could damage.
Yeah. So we had to stay there for a while until we got the clear to go back.
So by the time I reached Mannheim, we couldn't go into the, what do they call it, the barn house?
The train station?
Yes, the train station because they were bombed.
So I had to have a mile to walk to go home.
And I was glad I went home because mom's wounds didn't look good.
They were infected.
So I had to take care of my mom, clean the wounds and just take care of her, you know.
And then one day the siren went off again, so I said, mom, where are we going now?
We don't want to go to our cellar. It's getting pretty bad.
You know, they're bombing a lot lately.
So I said, there's an underground bunker across the bridge.
You know, we live right by the Nicaragua River.
And we thought we could make it good, but it was kind of late.
So half of the bridge, my mom walked down.
She couldn't walk.
She said, I can't walk no more.
I said, you have to.
You've got to get up because we've got to make it, you know.
You're pushing your mom, so you're trying to, you're motivating her to do.
And I tried to pull up.
Nobody helps you.
They all run for their lives, you know.
And we finally made it, but I'd seen already the bombs. up, nobody helps you, they all run for their lives, you know.
And we finally made it but I'd seen already the bombs, you know.
And it seems like I'll never forget it, going down the steps with my mom, like, close the
door like they're coming right at us, you know, the sound of it and all this.
So that went okay, I guess.
And I already told you the story with that young man coming down, you know.
Well, while we're there, we kind of, if we could backtrack even a little bit more,
because you mentioned in that story that your mom was saying, look, I have a son who was captured as well.
Exactly.
I want you to treat him well because I want my son to be treated well.
Right.
Can we talk a little bit about your brother?
Oh, my brother, he was drafted to the army.
What was his name?
He was drafted.
What was his name?
Hans.
Hans.
Yeah.
It was Hans and Willie, right? Willieie right yeah he was my oldest brother he was 10 years you know hey guys who's gonna get the next triple
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My sister is your senior. Yeah. And like I said, he was in Africa
and then he got captured in El Alamein. And so he fought under Rommel with the North African campaign until…
Yes.
And first he came to the States.
I forgot where he was.
But he came to the States and he didn't have it good, you know, in prison.
But then he got transferred to England and he had a mate.
He was striving for the higher colonel or mayor, whatever he was.
He was a striver.
He loved it there.
He had a mate.
Way better than war.
Were you allowed to talk to him at all, like any letters or correspondence?
No.
Okay. Well, when he was in Africa, we did, before he got captured.
Right.
That little bit we got, I'll never forget it.
We always put a little bit of our food, not food, but candy or chocolate or something in his package.
And we sent him real thin scarves because of the sandstorms they had.
Oh yeah.
Or they had sandstorms.
Oh yeah.
I know.
They had sandstorms.
Yeah.
Anyway, the other story was, where were we?
So we were just talking about your brother being captured and then driving The other story was, where were we?
So we were just talking about your brother being captured and then driving for the colonel and whatnot.
Right.
And a little later on, like I said, my dad was never there.
My brother was never there.
It was just me and my mom. They were off doing labor?
They were off being forced to do labor?
Yes, they were forced to.
And so we had to look after ourselves, you know.
Because your father was a lot older, right?
Yes, 25 years older than my mom.
Oh, okay.
Because now I'm recounting a little bit of family history
that I think I know about. Please tell me if I'm
wrong.
I think that, so, he was
kind of a little
on the older side during World War I,
but he was part of the
militia that they used for, not the
young men, but it was called the
Lundgewehr, which was
basically a militia of older people that they won't send to the front lines, but still was called the Lundgewehr, which was basically like a militia of older
people that they won't send to the front lines, but still ready to fight.
Gotcha.
So they're reserves, like army reserves almost.
Do you remember when your father was born?
What year?
Sorry, I know that was...
I'm not putting you on the spot, but you said he was 25 years older than your mom.
Okay, my mom was born in 01. Okay would have born it would be born in the 1870s
yeah 1876 1875 yeah yeah he was so at this point in the war he would be in his
70s no he was young I think he was okay. Yeah. But still not a spry young man.
No.
But, oh, goodness.
Then, yeah, like I said, my mom was there, whole person.
There was 30 in there.
I got them all, yeah.
And my dad came finally home and we decided to go to the bunker that's closer to us because
it was too far to go because you couldn't wait, the bomb, you know, you couldn't say
wait till we get there, it's impossible. So we went to the bunker by the water, that's the up-side bunker, the
tall one, you know, supposed to be bomb safe. So me and my dad, we were going to get some
food and mom was already in the bunker and my brother, I don't know where he was.
So we went home, we got food, and on the way to the riverside,
we heard them cannons, you heard them, you know.
Like artillery.
Yeah, you can hear them, you don't know where it hits.
And one of them came pretty loud and we went into the doorway, you can hear and you don't know where it hits.
And one of them came pretty loud and we went into the doorway, you know, just covered ourselves.
But we had to cross the field to get to the bunker.
And the English were across the river already by then, you see.
So they were shooting guns and everything.
So we were crawling on the floor, on the ground, getting to the bunker, you know, and they
were shooting.
We made it somehow and they already closed the bunker, you know, and we were banging on them steel
doors, open the doors, we need to get in, you know.
Finally they decided it was us, you know, and we made it in.
But that was really, really scary, really scared. Shada is terrifying.
Totally.
So, what else we got?
Well, there was one story I found really interesting too
about your younger brother, which would have been Willie.
Really?
About him surrendering to the British.
Oh, afterwards.
Okay.
When the British came across,
before they came across,
they were right across the river.
Okay, when we went to the bunker,
my dad and I.
And my youngest brother,
we didn't know that until afterwards.
You know, he was always gone.
The mayor from my city, two other gentlemen and my brother, for some reason,
they went in the boat and they went across the river, two with the white flag, of course,
to give the city to, I don't know.
Surrender. Surrender.
Surrender, yeah.
And my brother forgot he had a gun,
I mean, a knife in his side pocket, you know.
And just before he got all the way across,
he realized that,
so he grabbed the knife and let it go in the water.
Dang, I bet you missed that one, don't you, Brandon?
Right? That knife? That would have been kind of cool. That would have been a cool heirloom. and let it go in the water. Dang, I bet you missed that one, don't you, Brandon? Right.
That knife?
That would have been kind of cool.
That would have been a cool heirloom.
Yeah.
But the, yeah, we've done that many times at TSA
for the same reason.
Yeah, tossed a couple of knives at the airport.
Yeah.
And the Germans, of course,
they disappeared from the riverfront, of course, right?
Or my mom would have been shipped out.
But she was in a time where she was just lucky, you know?
Yeah.
I forgot to tell you the story.
When I was back, I was maybe eight years old, something like this, where I thought, what is going
on?
You know, they were getting people out of their apartments and a lot of Jews had stores
and everything.
I said, what's going on?
You know, we didn't know what was going on.
So they told the people they're going to send the Jews to a new colony where all the Jews get
together their own, you know. The Jew colony. Yes. And while they were gone, that's my clock.
Means it's 6 o'clock.
Yeah.
And while they were gone, they burned everything.
I remember they torn furniture out of the windows.
You know, it was terrible.
There was a sight I'll never forget either.
You know, they shipped them out.
We didn't know where they were going.
At eight years old, you have no concept
for what's going on.
You know?
You're just seeing stuff thrown out one day.
We did not heard about the concentration camps
till the war was over.
Honestly.
Yeah.
We didn't know.
And I couldn't believe it.
Matter of fact, later on when I met Oprah, we went to a movie, the first movie we went
to showed concentration camps and all this.
I was shocked. I was shocked.
I was shocked.
And I said,
my mom would have been there too.
After all you go through.
It was miserable.
It was not a good childhood put it this way.
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And
even my
mom and my dad,
I shouldn't say dad, but
25 years is
too much different in a marriage, you know.
It was good in the beginning because she was young.
He was still in his 50s, you know.
It was okay.
But later on is when it started, you know, because my mom wanted a new dress later on and, you know,
she wanted to put my dad, but she was just crazy because my mom was a good looking woman, you know.
So there were all these fights and where was I? Under the table, you know. So from small kid on it was, you know, we didn't have no
graduations or stuff like that, you know. When did you make your your way to the Well, I was, I was 18 and a half when I met her dad, Joe.
All this time in Germany and she shacks up with the first Texan she meets.
You met a Texan boy?
Yeah.
Yeah, he was from Laredo.
Laredo? Where did you meet him at?
Freer, really.
You know where Freer is?
It's like Dilley.
Oh, okay.
Oh, Dilley.
Yeah, Freer.
Freer County.
How did you meet a Texan boy?
Well, my brother and I, we went to, what do you call it?
Guesthouse, we called it.
Okay.
Western.
Okay. call it a guest house we called okay Western and they started first the guy
would play harmonica accordion and we go there on a Saturday you know but my
brother didn't let me go alone and I was almost 19 it's a protective brother. Yeah.
And I met really my husband's friend first.
You know, they were all in the same company.
And he was a darn good looking guy, I tell you.
But he was, he likes to fight.
Whenever a fight going on in the place, he was involved and
I didn't like that, you see.
So I said, no, that's not the guy for me.
And one day he brought Dad with him, Oprah, and we were talking when he was gone
you know
and I said
yeah I know
he wants me to be
his girlfriend
but I don't like it
when somebody
get involved
in somebody else's
fights
you know
and he said
yeah he's kind of
fighter
you know
we're talking
we said
well
you want to go
movie with me
next week?
He slid in the end.
She would have hated us.
It's like, he likes to fight.
And we're just all like.
You want to go see a movie, though?
Yeah.
That's funny.
Oh, I'm telling you.
What movie did he take you to?
You know, I don't remember.
I think the first movie, one of the movies from Concentration Camp. I don't know what I'm telling you. What movie did he take you to? You know, I don't remember.
I think the first movie, one of the movies from Concentration Camp.
I believe so.
It could be.
It's a hell of a thing for a first date.
I know.
It's a little harsh.
Harsh first date.
I'd love to take you on a date.
How about Schindler's List?
The what?
He didn't speak German.
Oh, yeah, he didn't speak German at the time. Oh.
I didn't speak English.
Oh my gosh.
Were you guys using hand
signals to talk to each other?
No.
Pointed cinema?
Yes.
That guy?
No good.
So I said, okay, I go to English school, you know.
And I did for a couple of weeks.
And every time I came home and I learned something,
and he said, what did you say?
I couldn't understand.
So wait, you were living with him?
No.
Oh, okay.
I thought you said you came home.
To my mom's side.
Oh, okay.
I missed it.
Okay.
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And he says,
I don't know what you're saying nice away I go school
for you know I stayed another week or so and every time I come home is it I don't
know it was a school English and he just couldn't understand it you know nice to
forget it so I quit nice and now you're gonna teach me you know it and I said, forget it. So I quit, and I said, now you're going to teach me, you know.
It's amazing how much you can communicate when you have to.
Oh, yeah.
Isn't it true?
Right?
Depends on what you're communicating, I guess.
Certain things go beyond words, I assume.
I live with a Mexican, Opa,
and I don't understand half of what she's saying to me, but I understand
it.
I don't know the words, but I know what she's saying to me.
She's even crazier because she speaks perfect English.
Yeah.
Dude, she hits me with flip flops.
She'll take her shoe off and she'll hit me with her shoe.
Chonkles.
The chonkles.
There's one...
Oh, sorry. and she'll hit me with her shoe. Chonkless. The chonkless. There's one...
Oh, sorry.
I drove my husband crazy with TV.
Every time we watched TV, I'd say,
what she says, what she said.
You know, I'd ask questions.
That's how I learned.
But by me trying to learn how to speak English,
my kids never kept to German because, you know, I
wanted to learn English. So I wanted him to keep speaking English. So I learned.
First generation, it's...
Oh, they understand words, you know, especially the ones they're not supposed to say. Yeah.
Wow.
Scheisse.
Yeah, I was going to say.
Scheisse?
Yeah, they don't do bad things first.
You had, Brandon told a story during war that you went, there was a bomb, you were supposed to go into a different shelter and then it got bombed or someone was saying come in.
Oh, like a house. Yeah, come in the house, but then you didn't go in the house and then something happened to that house
oh the back of our house got bombed yeah can you tell that story well there was uh when we checked
my brother and i you know uh the front were okay then Then there is a, what do you call it, between the back house
and this, there's not a garden, but a common area. Yeah. And there was a bomb. And our apartment,
we lived on the second floor. The wall, the wall was that much, we could look up to the third floor. The walls were that much, we could look up to the dirt floor. It was just, you
know. So we were lucky, I didn't think, we were very lucky, I tell you. And I don't know,
I have so much more I know, but I can't think of it.
There is one that I thought was really funny that I heard of where, I can't remember, I think it was your mother,
but it was when the British came in and they
busted into the house when they were first taking the city.
They had some hot Texans with them. Apparently so. Very good looking Texans
with them. You know, when the first English
came in, right, we were
on the second floor.
I was in the corner. I was scared
stiff, you know, because
they were with guns, of course.
And they came, looked at
the apartment, you know, and my
mom tried to say, I laid it up.
Wrong
crowd.
How did they react?
I think they didn't pay too much attention.
They took all our jewelry, you know, and stuff, the English.
And I thought I died when she did that.
I said, Mom, I hope they didn't hear you you but she was scared because she was taking you know
that she thought i don't know what she was thinking she's six years older yeah she thought
they were not nazi germany type soldiers they were scared oh my goodness yeah you're just covering
down yeah does your family feel about the Nazis coming to power?
Do what?
How did your family feel about the Nazis coming to power?
You know, I'm going to tell you something.
I shouldn't say that, but let's say it.
First, Hitler was okay.
When he first started, he was okay.
We had food, everything, everything great. A good economy. Yeah. A very good economy. Everything was okay. We had food, everything great. A good economy.
Yeah.
A very good economy.
Everything was great. And then it started slowly, you know. He got greedy in other
words. Then he wanted to take other countries like France and…
Poland. countries like France and Poland and all this, he went slowly.
He wanted more and more and more.
He got greedy.
And then when they went into Russia, that's when they made a big booboo.
Yeah.
Because the German army were not prepared for that cold weather,
you know, the Russians were used to it, you know. So most of these people then just died, they froze,
you know. That's when he lost it. Well, so if I recall correctly, there was an instance where Hitler came to your town, right?
He was, yeah.
You got to see Hitler in person?
Yeah.
And what abouts was that?
Was that before the war?
Yeah.
No, I think it was, oh, don't quote me on that. I know, I remember all the people lined up
and he came in the big Jeep or whatever it was.
Volkswagen.
It was a Volkswagen.
Parade.
Yeah, kind of, yeah.
And there, my mom could have gotten in trouble there.
She couldn't keep her mouth shut, you know.
I said, mom. It seems to be a recurring theme
generational oh gee butala you better do what the others do or you'll be picked up
you know that was before she got picked up you know yeah and so you actually saw Hitler. Yeah. Two degrees of separation away from Hitler, Brandon Herrera.
One degree for me, two degrees for you guys.
Oh, dang it.
What is it, six, seven degrees from Kevin Bacon?
Your mom didn't salute them, did she?
I remember one of the German army.
I don't know if it was Goebbels. Yeah, Goebbels. I remember one of the German army.
I don't know if it was Goebbels.
Yeah, Goebbels.
Or what's the other one?
Hitler?
One of them was a good guy, you know?
Is it Rommel?
Connor.
Rommel?
What was it?
The good one.
Rommel, because I think Rommel.
Who defected to England, whose name is escaping me right now.
Because I think Rommel was kind of one of those.
He was just a really good general, but I don't think he was exactly pro-Hitler.
Connor, come here.
Come here.
Come here.
Step in for a second.
I'll be over here.
Hess.
Was it Hess?
No.
Oh.
Was Skopers, Skopers, or Rommel?
One or the other.
Yeah, I think Rommel was one of the ones that was not...
He was a good general and he loved Germany,
but I don't think he was a Nazi necessarily.
Yeah.
He wasn't super down with the program.
If I'm remembering correctly, this is all just history textbooks.
He was really good too.
There is one thing I thought was kind of funny
that I wanted to bring up.
Because it was a funny story.
I remember we took a road trip at some point.
And I played a song for you.
And it was Erica.
Yeah.
That song from World War II.
You know, the soldiers would sing it a bunch and such. I was curious to see if you knew it,
and you started singing along with it.
And I thought that was very funny,
because the song's about a flower back in my hometown
that is singing about a girl.
Are they singing about Oma?
Well, so funny enough, what was your story?
You said you heard the soldiers walking through town
singing the song when you were a little girl.
What do you mean?
I remember you saying at one point that the soldiers would be walking through town
and you'd hear them singing the song.
Yeah.
And as a little girl, you're like, that's me.
Yeah.
I said, they're singing my song.
With your two brothers, they got drafted, correct?
Yes. Only one got drafted.
Okay.
My oldest brother.
Oldest brother got drafted and your other one still surrendered?
He had to do what the, what they call it, SS, the Nazis, told him to do.
God.
They had to help build the wall by the river and all kinds of stuff.
We never know what it meant.
This would have been like Gestapo?
Yeah.
Because I think you guys had to do like kind of Hitler Youth kind of stuff, right?
Or he did at least?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, so he was told, hey, you have to do that.
Now, when he surrendered for the town, you said, right?
Yeah.
So they were just, that would be terrifying. So it's just like, go across the river
on a boat and then just hope they don't shoot you? Yep.
That's wild. Of course, the Nazis were gone by then.
You know. But the British who had just fought all the way
to that point, they don't know that. Yeah.
Yeah. But I That was, yeah.
But I think he was later recognized by the city for that, wasn't he?
Yeah.
Matter of fact, I wish I had a letter from the governor, you know, what a brave and young
man he was, you know, to do this, you know. I don't know if I ever find it.
I have it somewhere, you know.
And they even wrote to me while I was here, you know.
In the U.S.?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
And my father, he wasn't scared of nothing.
How did you feel about the British coming in?
Were you afraid of them or?
Of course I was afraid.
And look, I was still a young kid, right?
And the first black man I seen, I was hiding.
I'd never seen a black man, you know, at the time.
I never did.
And we were scared of them, you know?
You'd never seen anything like it?
No.
Were you told they were going to hurt you?
Yeah, we told them, you hear stories, they're going to you, they're going to do,
you know, stuff like this. And then later on the GIs, the English, told Candace to the
kids, you know, that was later on. And there was something. I'll never forget
seeing the black guy. I said, my God, how did he get black?
Just confusion.
Yeah.
That would be wild if you've never seen it. You're like, what the fuck?
Tell that to Netflix.
So what age was it when you decided to move?
Oh, you moved at 18 to America, but what made you to decide to do that?
Did you move to America at 18 or was it years later?
No, no, it was, I was 20, I think.
20?
So you'd been dating Opa for a year and a half?
Yeah.
So?
Yeah.
Oh, so he was over in Germany.
Yeah, he was in Germany.
Oh, okay.
He was an occupational force.
Yeah.
Mannheim was in West Germany?
Yeah, well, you met an American, so you're in Western America.
Can I ask a question real quick?
Yes.
We call her Opa.
Oma.
Oma.
Oma.
Oma means grandmother and Opa is grandfather.
Oma.
Oma.
Oma and Opa.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
So both.
And did he bring you stateside together?
Did you move to America together?
Well, there was another big store.
Uh oh.
I may not know this one.
Was there another one of his friends you'd like to invite?
My mom may not know this story.
She just looked over at your mom for confirmation.
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We wanted to get married, right?
I said, I'm not going to the States, not being married.
See?
But he said he's got to go to states first
because of
his father or something
he probably was sick or something
I forgot
and I said oh there we go
he goes to states he never come back
right that's what you think
and
I went to work
and one day
Up for I got out there was my husband, you know, he wanted my husband dead. I said I
Can't believe it. You did come back. He said, of course, I told you I'll be back
Yeah, running out on a family in the 50s was so easy
You could move move a town over
and change names.
You didn't have a family yet.
That's adorable.
How long was that
before he came back?
He was in the States maybe,
I would say three weeks,
four weeks, something like that.
Oh, okay.
And then he just showed back up
in Germany and knocked on your door?
Yeah.
All right.
And tell the truth,
you waited on him?
No, I thought he'd never come back.
She found the fires.
You started going back out with the fighter?
No, I didn't go out with the fighter.
No.
But.
She's like, well, hear me out.
Yeah, hear me out.
Omar was an attractive young lady.
I'm here.
I'm learning some family history today.
Yeah.
No, I've been to work.
And like I said, he came and he surprised me at work.
And then he asked me, you want to marry me?
And I looked at him and I said, I got to think about it.
I was a bad girl.
I got to admit, I wasn't teeth.
I said, okay.
It all comes out.
I did.
You get one sip of claw in this woman.
I don't want to like to party.
I told him, I got to think about it, you know.
And he said, why I told you, you know.
He flew back out here.
He's like, I'm here.
So?
I don't care.
You know what I did?
He was on CQ.
You know what CQ is?
What is that?
CQ is when you're on guard.
CQ.
You're on CQ.
Yeah, CQ.
You're on duty.
He was there.
So I used the towel around my face and I called his number.
And he answered and I said oh I heard about you
you want to go to the movie with me
I pretended
I was somebody else
1950 relationship
testing
trying to see if he's going to go out with another girl
we are the same
we are the same
people
75 years later a girl sliding into like your dms like the
the best friend sliding into your dms see if you'll answer back that's what almost was doing
did he say yes no oh he said oh i'm sorry i'm taking
hung up i know that was Eric.
Yeah.
That German accent I know from anywhere.
Oh, my goodness.
You'd never believe this.
My girlfriend just called me through a towel.
Well, he threw me off.
And then when he came home, he told me about it.
He said, would you believe some girl called me?
Oh, he knew.
He knew. He said, would you believe some girl called me? Oh he knew. He knew.
Some German girl called me. It sounded like she was talking to a towel. I said, what?
You told him the story later, right? Yes. How long after that did you accept his proposal?
How long after that did you accept his proposal? Huh? How long after that did you accept his marriage proposal? Oh, it was...
Oh, then I started lying to him, okay?
Wait, what?
I said, I don't know.
I said, you don't know? I have a kid.
You know, I told him I had a kid.
She was testing him?
What kind of tests are these? I have a child. I just came back to Germany for you.
You know what he said? He said, really? You didn't tell me that in the beginning, you
know, but can I see the kid then when I got in trouble? I didn't have the kid. I finally
had to admit that I was, you know, testing him.
I finally told him, yeah, I'm married.
Oh, my gosh.
He's like, I don't.
You put him through hell.
Yes.
Before that, she met several guys at the same time.
Oh, yeah.
Wait, what?
I was a teaser.
I don't.
Her excuse is, I was a teaser.
I love it.
I'm just a girl.
There were so many guys who wanted to go out with me.
Omo is a hottie.
Well, she matched her nails to her shirt and her necklace.
I don't know what you're doing.
So I used to say, you know, good looking guys, right?
And I'd say, okay, I'll meet you over there.
Wherever, on the corner in the restaurant.
And then I went over there and see if he really showed up.
And then I'd go home.
I didn't know.
Oh my God.
You were breaking hearts.
I did.
You broke so many hearts.
Just for fun?
One day I got caught.
Doing what?
Like, just standing them up, essentially.
Yes, that's what it did.
That fool?
Yeah.
In the restaurant across the street.
She runs across the street.
Why did she do this to all of us?
We can see her.
Look,
that asshole did
what he said he was going to do.
Now to wait for the one
to come back from America
and tell him I have a child.
But was it Opa
that caught you?
Ruthless.
Yeah.
Opa was the one
who caught you.
No, he caught you.
People were in my heart,
okay. Well, he caught you. Yes, he did. And before we were my heart, okay.
Well, I'd hope so.
What was special about Opa out of all the hearts you broke?
He was not a fighter like some of the guys I met, but the only thing I was a good dancer
when I was young.
You know, he couldn't dance, you
know, for nothing.
So I had to teach him how to dance, you know, he stepped on my feet all the time.
He learned the polka and you know, a couple of things.
And if somebody asked, your daddy was very jealous when somebody asked me to dance, right?
He was okay the first time, but he came back a second time.
Now he's a fighter.
She's not dancing right now.
He was very jealous.
And then you moved back to the United States after that?
How long did you live in Germany?
We left Germany, like you said, in 72, right?
That was way later. You're talking about at first.
Oh, the first time. First time was 50, let me see, 50, I'll say 53, 53, 54.
Something like that.
Yeah, around, you know, we went to Oklahoma, you know.
But meanwhile, we had a couple of kids, you know. But meanwhile we had a couple kids, you know. We got married, I was 21.
All grown up.
Yeah, very grown up.
You had real kids.
So my oldest, Henry and Robert, were born in Germany.
But we had problems getting married and you never believed why.
We wanted to get married by church.
My church were baptized in Germany.
I wish I wouldn't marry us because he didn't have a baptism paper.
Germany, very big on papers.
Yes.
And then I had to get a paper from the court that I'd never been in jail or in trouble, right?
To marry you to get married. That's wild.
Yeah. So he sent to Texas that he get a birth certificate, right?
But we had a date set when we want to get married.
Everything was arranged and paper never came in, you know. So we got married
in a way, but not in church. We got married in the…
Court, like courthouse?
Yeah.
In Germany?
In Germany, yeah. And so we never got married by church, you know.
So Oma, was he still on duty with the army in Germany
when you guys got married at the courthouse?
Yeah.
Okay.
I think he stayed through,
he was active duty with the military
until after the Korean War.
Oh, okay.
But then,
what did I wanted to say, when he had to the kids, two kids I had then
and talking about scared I couldn't speak English and I had to go on a certain time, I had to go over to meet him.
And I was tempted not to go, I'll be honest with you,
I was scared to death, you know?
And now, so I went in a way and...
To a country whose language you don't speak.
Right.
So alone with two kids.
I arrived in New York. Didn't know.
He always tell me, he said, if I cannot make it to pick you up in New York,
ask for the Red Cross to help you, you know.
And I had this in my head. So I came to New York.
I stood looking for him.
He wasn't there.
I said, oh, my gosh.
He gave you an address in New York, right?
From the Red Cross.
Okay.
I just, go to New York.
I'll find you.
Yeah.
I mean, there's no text.
You're not texting anyone.
And it's all snail mail.
It's literally like, oh, I'm here.
Who's the fifth?
That's it. I'll wait.
They didn't notify him on time to catch the plane to New York in time, you see.
So that's why he went there.
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Where's the Red Cross, you know?
He was off asking women on dates and just seeing if they'd show up.
Yeah.
So he said, go to the bus, take you to the Red Cross. So I went in the bus, suitcase,
two kids and then there were other girls that got married you know and one French girl I never
forget. She said are you traveling by yourself? I said, yeah, my husband couldn't make it. And she said,
where are you going? I said, he told me to go to the Red Cross, they will help me. She
said, you're in the wrong bus. I was in the wrong bus. So I had to take the kids again,
suitcase, and go to the other bus, the one in front.
Were you speaking to her in French?
She spoke English. Or English, English. She could speak good English.
Okay so you knew a little English at this time then? No I didn't even know the money. The guy on the
airport you know that had my luggage I said oh my god so I grabbed my money and I just put the hand not to the day I know what he took
take what you need
very trusting
it's the meme
is this enough?
have you watched
1923 yet?
I've seen the first season
so like his wife is trying to come to England
it's the same thing you don't know what you're doing. You're just arriving in a foreign rain. You can imagine with two kids, one little
rascal that liked to run off right on my head.
How old were they at the time?
Let me see, Henry, he was about, I don't know, two years old. And the other one was
still a baby, you know, and a big suitcase.
I was open, but I looked like a wet rat.
Anyway, we got to the Red Cross.
You got to work on that self-talk, Oma.
We didn't know it was closed, you know.
So that French girl happened to be there.
And she says, well, we got to wait until they open up.
And I'm pretty sure they give you room upstairs to clean up, you know, and get the kids changed.
And Robert was screaming, my baby.
And he wanted milk, of course.
And they were used to warm milk.
Where do I get milk?
I couldn't get milk.
Oh, my goodness.
And then I want to change the kids in the restroom.
I lost the key to the suitcase.
So I had to break the suitcase open, right? And so I changed
them, you know. Meanwhile the Red Cross opened up and that French girl helped me
a little bit. She asked if they have milk or can get milk for the baby, you know.
And they did. And I warmed the milk in the bathroom because they were
used to warm milk, you know. So I said no.
If I can just interrupt for a second, it is amazing to me how vividly you remember
this 70 years later.
I'm amazed at myself.
Well, this is your first time in America, right? This was your first time in America, right? Pardon? This was your first time in America. Yes.
So how do I close the suitcase?
You know?
And I said, oh, I took the belt off.
I had to wear it.
And I strapped it around the suitcase.
And then the lady from the Red Cross said,
come on, there's a room upstairs. You can stay there until your husband comes.
You can let the kids rest and all this.
We made it up to the stairs, right?
And I heard my husband's voice.
He said, this is not my wife.
And I turned around, looked down, there were stairs.
And there was a French girl.
So he could have gone bride shopping.
Honey, hi.
And then she said, if you're looking for your wife, she's right up there, you know.
And we were still so wet, you know. And he came up and we changed, like I said, the kids.
And I changed and all this good stuff.
We stayed there for a couple of hours.
What did you do that couple of hours after? Oh, come on.
I need to go to bed.
Made Brandon's mom
so
you were happy to see
yeah
they read the bible
they sung hymns
so
he's sitting
he's sitting I need another claw So you're in New York City, you're at the Red Cross, your husband has just showed up.
We had only two hours separately and then we had to leave, you know, it was just temporary.
So we were all tired. So my husband went into the hotel room, and it was so amazing.
The bed had a box on the back.
I'll never forget it.
You put a quarter in, and the bed goes.
And I said, great.
I can put the kids there.
They're going to sleep
what flavor would you like buddy
anything thank you
look at this baby nap machine
I was told it's also a funny
funny story of you learning to drive stick
oh yeah that's a good story too
but I'm not finished I'm sorry go on with the bed story of you learning to drive stick? Oh yeah, that's a good story too.
But I'm not finished.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Go on with the bed story.
Please continue with the... I'm ready for more vibrating beds.
Yeah, continue with the vibrating bed story.
I'm excited.
I've never seen that before.
There you go.
Brandon, thank you for inviting us here.
I hope you're having a grand old time.
And then the next day, next morning, we were relaxed.
We went to the train station.
Oh, man.
Oh, stress melted away.
I guarantee you, nobody who started the first 20 minutes of this episode thought it was
going to be anything like this.
I'm going to rob this one real quick.
So you were well-rested, a little dehydrated,
going to the train station.
About 30 years too early for gay to rave.
So we went in the train to Oklahoma
and
halfway the train stopped
and let everybody out to eat
and to get started.
And there was another shock
for me. I was looking at a couple, you know, one was white,
one was black, you know, it was so new for me. And the waitress said, you can come in
here, it's only for whites. I said, excuse me? They can come in here? I didn't say excuse me they can come in here I didn't say that
I was thinking that
there's still segregation
what year was that?
early mid 50s
I was in shock
she said you can come here and you gotta go in that place
where all the blacks go
what state was this?
oh well
it was half ways from New York to Oklahoma.
It was one of those states.
One of the 25 on that half of the country.
That would be so crazy because if you've never seen that.
Never seen that.
And I couldn't believe it.
They had to eat outside because you don't want to separate from her.
That was crazy. And then we got to Oklahoma.
And...
Was that Fort Sill? Was he stationed there or do you remember?
Fort Sill, Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah. Lawton, matter of fact, a lot in Oklahoma.
So right away they didn't have quarters for us, you know.
So we rented a house on the outside, you know, had a tornado bunker and everything, boy,
the works.
And then we moved to a little town.
I forgot the name of it too.
And I learned how to drive, right?
I couldn't drive then.
And my husband, he had no patience.
Every time I did something with a stick, you know,
I did something wrong, he,
don't you get it, you know?
I said, okay.
So one day he was at work,
and I went in the car.
I said, I learned myself, right?
So I went in the car.
Okay. Honey, I am proficient at stick driving.
Good news.
The transmission's gone.
Good news. I learned how to do it. Bad news.
Car's smoking now.
And I drove. I mean, I put it in the bag, and I jerked.
And forward, too, and I said,
I hope I don't get in the garage.
You know, I'm in the garage.
But I did pretty good.
I said, hmm, I'm going to visit my girlfriend.
She was halfway between London and, you know, that little town.
And I did great, and I drove, you know, you know was fine but I had problem every time I stopped the motor shut off.
Released the clutch.
So I said well I'll just start it again right.
Oh no. Those curbs are probably going for that one.
So you had your kids home alone you took all your kids with you I'm guessing?
Of course.
Do you remember what kind of car it was?
No.
A manual.
Yeah.
I went to the friend I met, you know, and my husband had to go by the highway to go
home, you see. And he seen the car, you know.
And they stopped.
And they say, who drove the car over here?
And I said, they say, what?
The rooms were destroyed.
Yeah, there's another story.
Then, anyway, we stayed there for a while.
And then when we got orders to go to Panama,
right, we went to Panama.
No matter of fact, this first time I drove a ship, the other one was another ship.
I don't think.
Anyway, so Oklahoma, well, we got there and I died almost with heat.
They had no air conditioning.
They had a giant fan.
And in them years, I had migraines, you know.
And that wasn't very good with the fan, you know.
But, again, I learned how to drive.
We went to the commissary.
It was up the hill.
In Panama?
Panama.
And I drove home.
Everything good.
My girlfriends were with me and we had a babysitter then.
And they were guard house before you get into the commissary, you know.
And we had to show our ID and okay, I got my ID, you know, and I was on the guard house
and I said, oh my God, the car is going backwards. I told the guard, I said,
I'll be right back.
That's what I said, dude.
He's going to get it real quick.
You're right.
Even the guard.
Oh, gee.
Oh, my God.
It was so hot over there.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, that's tropical heat.
That's that humid, humid, humid.
And six months of rain.
That was terrible.
And the crabs, they had crab season.
I never seen anything like it.
The whole, everything, patio, everything was full of crabs.
The fire department came and, you know.
Yeah, it was that bad.
Oh, dude, the documentary with the crab migrations where they just go across the island.
Yeah.
Snow crabs.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Big, big ones.
And they go in your tires, you know,
when you carve a part.
They go in your tires.
Everything infested with crabs.
Kind of reminds me of Fable.
So, Panama, were there vibrating beds?
We're not going to let that one die, huh?
He's like, I have an opportunity.
Germany, Oklahoma, Panama.
Did you go anywhere else after moving around for the service?
I went to Vietnam, Korea, and I had to take care of all the kids by myself.
That was not easy.
And I had to take the car to Weimarhausen in Germany.
I mean, yeah, Germany.
You know?
That was hard.
You had to take what now?
Sorry, I didn't...
My car.
Mm-hmm.
I always had to take it on...
How do you explain that?
Ship it?
Like, transported?
Yeah.
Okay, yeah, transported to Germany.
And oh lord, there was hard times, you know. It was always hard times, but still funny when you think about it.
You know something that is also, you just spurred my memory, we have some family,
like family, well family yours, family mine, but that were on the other side of the Berlin Wall in East Berlin.
It was my dad's family.
I never met.
I never met.
Because the war was going on, they built a wall, you know.
And for me, as an American, my husband said, you're not going to go.
You're not coming back.
My father, for me, it was too dangerous being married to an American.
Right.
Those guns pointed inward.
Yeah.
I still remember it.
That's amazing.
You have lived quite the life, ma'am.
Oh, my goodness.
I tell you.
There's probably more. I can't remember more than that.
I've always been impressed by, always, always been impressed by just how
sharp you are and just how much you remember. I think I've got it.
I still got my mind barfing. I have a question, though.
Do you have any funny stories about Brandon?
Growing up, he as a little boy.
He was a cute little boy. Of course he's cute. Do you remember any funny stories though about Brandon? I used to pick him up from
school, right? Yeah. And I'd take him home and he didn't want to go
home. He wanted to stay with Oma. Why? I don't know.
I'll wrap myself out on that one.
I always sneak into Oma's house because she'd have Nutella.
Nutella.
Which you always called nougat.
Nougat.
Straight sugar butter.
Yep, just fattening me up.
The fun time I had in my life is, I think, when we had all the campers.
My son had a camper, they had camper, we had a camper, and we parked kind of, you know,
all together.
And that's when Brandon, every morning, disappeared, came to me.
My parents would be looking for me.
I'm just waving from the window with a new cello. Hey, guys.
Brandon's got a jar on his head.
It's all chubby Brandon.
He's a little fat kid.
That was so funny.
Oh, my goodness. Then we got born in germany she's a german too oh she's german
you were born on a army base right on a base in germany sure yeah
she's like i don't remember
american She's like, I don't remember. American. It was a girl.
Well, thank you so much for sharing your story.
We truly, truly appreciate your time.
I never thought I would tell you.
Because I'm not a...
How do you say?
Storyteller?
She can talk, but I can't.
Yeah, not...
Not like braggadocious or a storyteller?
No.
Like a preacher, right, in church.
He came and...
Charismatic, yeah.
He said, don't you want to tell your story?
I said, what?
I said, no, my daughter can talk, not me.
Lies. You not me. Wise.
You killed this.
Amazing.
I think you did really good.
I'm sure the audience will agree, but I've always said that the stories that I've heard growing up
and just picking this up piece by piece and hearing bits of your story when I was 6, 8, 12, 15,
you've got an awesome story,
and you're one of the most inspirational women I've ever met.
Yeah.
Well, like I said, I see everything like it was,
but I can't think of dates or how old I was, you see.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.
It's true.
Oh, yes.
Well, we truly appreciate your time.
Thank you so, so freaking much.
Well, I'm showing you guys.
And nice to have met you.
Okay?
Pretty nice to meet you.
Twin people.
Even you, Cody.
Even you, Cody.
Cut it a little bit.
And got the glasses on.
I couldn't tell on one picture.
I said, wait a minute.
Where's my...
That was Eli's fault.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. little bit and he got the glasses on I couldn't tell on one picture he said wait a minute first point he put he put my face on Brandon and Brandon's face on my
face and people couldn't tell the difference
nope on first glance it was a little confusing yeah it was terrifying I was
laughing I had to look twice I said which one is mine Confusing. Yeah, it was terrifying. I was laughing. How deep of a picture was that you showed me?
And I had to look twice.
I said, which one is mine?
I have a question.
One last question for you.
If you could give any piece of advice, living the life that you've lived,
if you could give any piece of advice to young people, what would it be?
That's a great question.
That they're very lucky today, what they got.
You know, really.
And a lot of kids today do not appreciate what they got.
You know, we appreciate every little thing.
Let me tell you, we were hungry.
And when we get our ration for the week, depends how many the family was, when the potatoes run out, we peeled all the potatoes and we fried them.
There was another meal, you know, for us.
I forgot something.
Yeah.
When the British came in, you know, and they were still with their rifles and all this.
But by then we were so hungry.
All the stores were gone.
You know, I'm sorry, I have a cramp.
You okay?
A cramp.
Do you want some water or something?
No, I'm fine.
Okay.
And so I said, well, let's go to the stores.
They were bombed.
We find some food, you know, canned food or something, you know.
So me, my brother, we went across the street.
There were big, what do you call it, not a warehouse, but where they sell everything.
Like a general store.
Yeah, big store.
And they also had food store in there.
We went in there and there was that English guy with machine gun, you know,
and he just looked at us and we looked at him and we keep on going, you know,
hoping he don't shoot us, you know.
But he didn't. He understood, I guess, you know.
So you're saying kids should be grateful for what they have now?
Yeah. They do not. They don't know how good they got it, you know.
They're not appreciated.
I agree fully, Omar. Yeah. On a lighter note, I want to show you. They're not a bridge
So this is me and Brandon swapped you kidding
That's my face on Brandon's head. That's not... That's Brandon.
So that's me
with Brandon's face
and that's Brandon with my face.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Wait, no, that's Brandon.
That's Brandon.
Oh, yeah.
Cody's like, that's me.
I'm confused, but yeah, that's
Brandon with my face.
Wow. So that's my
head with Brandon's face.
Am I the only person who thinks that
you don't look similar at all?
I mean, when you do the face swap, the face swap's pretty.
The face swap, that one I get.
Even that one, I was like, wait.
Certain picture, not so much,
but, you know, he's got some in there.
You had me.
I know.
That one there.
We tricked Oma.
Cody's going to be over in Oma's camper with Nutella.
Only if she has a vibrating biz.
Oh no.
I enjoy you guys.
Oma, I love you. Thank you so much.
It's been a pleasure.
Cody, you want to clothe us out, you beautiful son of a gun?
I hope I live a little longer so I can enjoy all you guys.
I've been saying that, you know, on my life it was hard, you know.
I had migraines for 25 years, you know, and had to take care of five kids, you know.
My husband was always gone because I was pretty confident.
She said six kids.
Is she the imaginary kid?
She's making all sorts of confessions today.
Five kids plus the other one.
No, I'm sorry, continue.
So I enjoy life a little bit.
I'm grateful that I can live still on my own in my age,
you know, that I'm grateful that I can live still on my own in my age, you know, that I'm grateful for.
She wants me moving with her, I know, but as long as I can do for myself I want to be
here.
And I think everyone feels that way, don't you think?
Yeah, you're in better shape than I will be in five years.
So I think you're doing great.
I'd try.
I mean, I got my mom.
You just turned 93 four days ago.
Four days ago.
Oh, happy belated birthday.
On Mother's Day.
Happy belated Mother's Day, too.
Did my grandson call me?
No.
I did.
Oh, my God.
I absolutely did.
I will pull up the receipt right now. Did he call? No. I did. Oh my god. I absolutely did. I will pull up
the receipt right now.
Did he call?
Look at that. Look at that right here. Hold on.
I'm gonna pull
that up. Sunday. We talked for
22 minutes.
Don't worry.
You wanted to yell at me.
I can't believe I almost got shade for that.
You did not leave a memory.
Apparently, I'm sorry I bored you.
His hands up.
Just like, oh.
Back to the vibrating fan.
Why is Cody calling? they all look the same
she's straight up
said Brandon's calling again
is that why you declined
my first three calls
she's going to smack the hell out of you
she probably will
but seriously Oma thank you so much.
Thank you, Oma.
Thank you, thank you.
You take care of yourself.
Oh, all right.
And I really enjoyed you guys.
We enjoyed hanging out with you.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you so, so much.
I never thought I can do that, talking to a dude.
She said, you can.
Killed it.
Cody, you want to close this out?
We're going to kill this one?
Yes.
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Oma.
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Oma.
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You don't know my