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Starting point is 00:00:00 Nintendo sucks, dude. This Mario cards. Gay. I raced all schools. I f-fitting gallery. Beeper veteran. Yeah, that's Brandon's beat for veteran. Shout out to my betties.

Starting point is 00:00:12 This guy hates veterans and loves ron. Brandon's friends. Fuck up his future again. Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguous. Brandon. His hair is fabulous. Don't know.

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Starting point is 00:01:12 Wait, no, I got one. Wow. I'm crazy. I can't believe you said that. I know. Cody got me riled up. I got to leave. I can't do this.

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Starting point is 00:02:05 In the bright sun, like, loved it Living the dream life Get my notes out, there we go Oh, I thought it was like a bottle opener or something It can be Master Chief. Hi, what's up, buddy? Hi, everyone, go fuck yourselves.

Starting point is 00:02:20 Welcome to today's podcast. We have manly reviews here. Also known as literally who he was this guy the guy they were bleeping out at the beginning of the podcast who the fuck is this guy

Starting point is 00:02:34 dude we're excited you're I've showed your content to send it to all the guys who's like this dude fitted in the group so good which is extremely rare in the gaming space

Starting point is 00:02:45 a lot of the times I think we actually all voted against having you on the podcast cool awesome show for writing that show fucked up the schedule and included you anyway

Starting point is 00:02:54 so half my fan base is looking at you guys like, were they, is he, they like, they like, they like, oh, we don't want to come on. Like, okay, cool. Everyone's happy. Everyone's, everyone's okay. We're doing good here. And I appreciate you guys having me on.

Starting point is 00:03:06 This is my first, like, real podcast. Like, you, you messaged me and you're like, we're going to fly you out. We have a hotel. And I'm sitting here like, what the, what the fuck? Like, that is insane. That is so crazy. Because you have, like, an assistant too, which is like, even like a step above that. And you're like, I'm going to have my assistant come in contact with you.

Starting point is 00:03:25 We're going to get that set up. I'm like, I really hope it's you in like a maid dress. No, this is how you get, this is how you get sex trafficked. Yeah, well, it's also like I got groomed at unsub podcast merch or something like that. I'm like, well, we'll see how this goes. Because you messaged me on Twitter, and I check Twitter like once a month. And I'm like, who's this Eli guy? And I look at your numbers.

Starting point is 00:03:46 I'm like, those are real numbers. Those are not bots. And I don't listen to podcast much. So I was like unfamiliar. And then like I told my audience, like, yeah, you guys heard of unsublished? And they're like, oh, I love on sub. This is so great. Then you came into TwitchTat and you're like, hey, everyone.

Starting point is 00:04:01 I was like, what the fuck? Are you watching me? You've been like secretly just like judging, waiting for me and like, is this guy ready? Is he material ready? So thank you guys for having me on. And it's a huge honor. That's a pleasure to have you on, buddy. Yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:04:13 It's rare. I don't feel like I deserve to sit at this time. Dude, your numbers. None of us do. Fucking, you do, also you need to post way more on YouTube. I do. It's criminally insane that you do it twice a year, but you still get two to three million views twice once a year

Starting point is 00:04:28 how often are you posting yeah what's go about the once once is good once is good there is a new video coming out soon oh well done uh dark souls too okay and when I say soon I'm lying up my ass so you all you do everything

Starting point is 00:04:43 by yourself which was also another the level of editing you do is insane because this is VFX this is everything green screen everything Editor, play a clip. Make it a good clip, please.

Starting point is 00:04:59 Nah, make it a shitty clip. Now, it feels like a bit of a misnomer to call this thing DLC, when in reality it's an expansion that's bigger than most souls games. Calling Shadow of the Erd Tree just DLC is like calling the Mona Lisa a painting or Freddie Mercury a f***. Oh, God. Well, you don't get canceled at all. I was surprised.

Starting point is 00:05:16 Well, that's actually one of the questions was how much pushback because your jokes land very well with us in our audience. Yeah. Very well. Started dying laughing. But in the gaming space, you get a lot of heat if you make those styles. Because the first 20 seconds, I think, of the first video that I was sent. And you're just like, yeah, well, I could do that, but that's fucking gay.

Starting point is 00:05:37 And I'm like, oh, hey, wait a minute. I get along with this guy. Yeah. The thing is for me, and it's something I'm trying to work on. Like, I very much enjoy, we all grew up in, like, the Cod modern warfare era days, you know, for better or for worse. And, like, I think I try to keep things respectful on the channel. I really do. And like, I think it's on my older content. I was a little bit more, like, less transformative with it. But I don't know. I've come to be in a position in life where it's like, I have like gay friends. I have trans friends. I have a friend that's a furry. And like, they're the coolest people ever met. And if you didn't know that, you'd be like, what the fuck? You're like, oh, these are cool people. So there has been like a little bit of a perspective shift. But the funny thing is, I'll send them my edits. And they're like, that's so funny. Like I said, like, I censored myself saying like the F slur in like, I think it was a gamer subs ad and they were like yeah I was like you guys don't care how good something

Starting point is 00:06:31 tastes I'm like a balding and I bleep it and I'm laughing at it because like it's self deprecating it's funny like we can laugh about that stuff but at the same time I do try to keep it like I want to be respectful because people don't know well it's like you know that I'm like coming from a place of like listen I'm okay with you now yeah it's a joke the fucking retards don't know but like I feel like the average person it's relevant to the conversation right I feel like the average person understands context it's like you're talking about you got your friends with all these people in different communities, I feel like they can tell the difference between a legitimate somebody who's being hateful and somebody who's just making a fucking joke. It's tricky, though.

Starting point is 00:07:04 It's really tricky because I feel like, because I'll tell the story now. Like I was on Twitch. I've been doing Twitch like a lot. That's been like a new thing because I think it's really fun to actually like interact with people and like not wait six months to get like some comments are like, hey, that was a good video. And I can actually like get some like feedback and feel like I'm doing something. So the affirmation that you're missing. Yeah, the affirmation where it's like, I just did like 10 hours of editing. I think it sucks. I'm like way behind. I feel worse. I go on Twitch, I'm like, I had a good day of work.

Starting point is 00:07:30 I work out, you know, the hardest job in the world, of course. You know, Twitch. Streaming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A real veteran here. Oh, fuck.

Starting point is 00:07:39 Here we are. These thumbnails, again, it goes so far to show, hey, what's important thumbnails? That Zelda thumbnail. That was all it took. You should have seen the original photo I was like photoshopping and working with the things I had to do to that. I think it took like four days. to make it because I try to make the thumbnails before I make the video. There's been a few exceptions.

Starting point is 00:08:00 It was a need for speed one, which was like a last minute thing. And then like some of the older ones, like the foam ones, bullshit. That's like, that's whatever. If you go to the most recent, those are popular. If you go to latest. They're still really good, man. Thank you. For five years old, like those are really good thumbnails to this day.

Starting point is 00:08:19 It's the only reason I'm able to do any of this stuff is because I'm sitting on the backs of like people who did better jobs and I did. And I'm like just trying to learn from them. So I have friends in the community that were like, hey, we're going to teach you everything. And we just go super retarded over analytics and like the data and like figuring it all out. And like what works, what doesn't? Like how do we make this not look like shit? Because the thumbnail is the worst thing to make.

Starting point is 00:08:40 You guys all do content. You know the pain of like, I made a video off the thumbnail. I got to do the thumbnail. But that is the most important part of the video like by a mile. A lot of times, you know, we'll film an entire video and we'll have forgotten to get a, a thumbnail out of it. So it's like, all right, well, fuck, I guess we're going to find a screenshot and figure out how to Photoshop the shit out of it.

Starting point is 00:09:00 Sometimes a screenshot does work, though. Like, I say that you've got to play the game differently. So sometimes, like, if you're making a claim, like, I just did some dope-ass shit. Just put a screen grab. They're like, I just made this. Show it. Don't try to, like, fake it. Just make it the thing. Like if you bought a bomb robot, for example.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah. Well, just show the bomb robot. The, that one screen grab, that is the thumbnail. You actually, I think the title is that this is actually a screenshot not a thumbnail. Yeah. The pistol.

Starting point is 00:09:29 Who was that cop getting stabbed by? Yeah, you're talking about the black lady that comes out of her apartment and runs it. Yeah. Yeah. I just had to get that screen grab.

Starting point is 00:09:37 This is. She's like psychotic, just like, ah, like sometimes like that'll be better than like some like, I made the eyes 10 times bigger and like fuck the mouth.

Starting point is 00:09:46 What's crazy is it looks like a, it looks like Cody made this thumbnail. Up. Thumbail. Like, nope, I'll throw on my face. in the corner. Good to go. What did you call that one? It's like big black cock,

Starting point is 00:09:58 no sorry, black cocks. That's your search history. Different thing. Oh, we'll just go with this. That's fine, dude. It was probably like three or four months ago. Not a not a. Well, while you're looking that up though, I was just saying like, you were mentioning like the context of the jokes and it's like, I kind of understand because when I first was was offered like the podcast seat, there were a couple people in my chat. They're like, hey, just so you know, Brandon is actually running for government. And I was like, first of all, I'll take anyone that's under the age

Starting point is 00:10:28 of like 90 in government that's just not ancient. And two, you just sent me like two unsolicited videos in Discord with the N-word in it before this. So I don't even want to like, don't even try to be like, oh, they might make problematic jokes. Like, show me your Instagram reels. Like, show me your algorithm. Right.

Starting point is 00:10:44 Yeah, show me your wheels. I know what yeah, but the thing is like, I think the reason people do have like a little bit of apprehension is that I think a lot of the humor that like we we dig and I think it's funny because like it's just humor um it is shared by people who are more like intense that are like unsavory you go on Twitter you see people making jokes and you're like oh this is this is like not okay stuff like some people that don't have the context and then you you group those two together you spend any time the internet and you're

Starting point is 00:11:11 like oh there's some like sick people here there's some fucked up people well it's just like the I'll be around so like it's easy to like conflate the two um so I don't I don't blame anyone that's seen my jokes and like this guy's a piece of shit like I'm sorry you got that takeaway. I'm not trying to like dog on you. I just want to blame them. That's fair too. You can blame a little bit. But still I still I still kind of get the context of like everyone's got different walks. Everyone's got different experiences. Some people, you know, that's true. You don't know. I'm trying to remember who I might have been Roosevelt. I don't I don't remember. I don't want to misattribute the quote. But it was a quote about, no, it might have been a British guy.

Starting point is 00:11:44 I can't remember. But it was something about censorship is saying that a grown man can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it. It's like just because you can't handle it doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to do it. I think of her red eyes, but that's... The red eyes. The red eyes. That happened. Yeah. It was fucking wild.

Starting point is 00:12:03 She was actually Superman. Wild. The most organic thumbnail I've seen. Dude, isn't that wild? That is just a just one frame of that video. I almost feel like that would be better if you took the red eyes out because it's like that's actually a frame

Starting point is 00:12:20 and not edited. Yeah, I think we had no red eyes at first and then we just changed it around. Fucking CTR has to go up all of a few points in percentage. Like, oh, I got it.

Starting point is 00:12:29 I got to see that one. Yeah, but most people, like when it comes to the jokes on there, like most people are pretty cool with it. Like, they get it. Again,

Starting point is 00:12:36 when you're looking at the comment section, like, do you even leave a comment on YouTube? It's like you were in like the 0.5% of people already like kind of not, you're not in the bell curve of like, oh, you leave a like,

Starting point is 00:12:46 you enjoy the video. If you don't, you leave. That's fine. Most people are pretty cool with it and if they don't like I can't tell many times like I made that Mexican joke in the in the need for speed one where it's like we just got we just got like a bunch of Mexicans a lot of men it's like dying laughing I'm just like recording lines you're laughing in it when

Starting point is 00:13:04 you tell the joke which is even better I'm just trying to like I'm ad living the whole thing and I got so many comments from Mexicans who were just like that was the funniest thing ever like I love that I'm like you guys see like you guys get it I also had one that was I had I had had one joke in there um or I think like people just don't understand that like sometimes I'm making fun or like I'm mocking the concept of what I'm talking about. I had one in my Darkslist video

Starting point is 00:13:26 that I probably could have worded better to be honest but it was like I was making the joke that like good games just look appealing to play like some games you can look at like that looks fun as shit it sells itself based on the merit

Starting point is 00:13:35 and I I kind of put the metaphor of like it's like a fire alarm like you see one of those you want to pull it and like look what it's wearing and it's like pull me and uh people like I had someone really mad at that

Starting point is 00:13:47 and it was like the concept like obviously see, the desire to pull a fire alarm where you can't control it is ridiculous. The joke is that, like, I'm mocking the people that use the excuse, look what it's wearing. I'm not endorsing the concept. I'm making fun of it.

Starting point is 00:14:01 This dude's pro-euvre. But there's just, like, when you go through, look at this guy, fucking. But there's a, there's a prerequisite IQ to understand sad tire. A lot of people, they hear the topic and then just go, like, oh, this is bad. You're endorsing it.

Starting point is 00:14:14 It's like, no, I'm satirizing it. Like, we can satirize these things. We can talk about it. You'd think so, wouldn't you? Yeah, you think so. But my feelings. I think most people are pretty cool with it. People are pretty cool with it.

Starting point is 00:14:25 And it does give me a perspective of like, I do want people to feel like if I have to tune the joke a little bit to make sure that people understand that it's like, oh, this is in good faith. Like, I'll do that. Because sometimes, you know, you learn making videos. Especially if there's, if it doesn't take away from the joke. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:42 If I could phrase this slightly differently to have less butt hurt than sure. Yeah. Like I, like, everyone loves calling things gay and retarded. and like I feel like I'm quitting a drug I'm trying not to call things gay as much I know they're like well it's been a good show like we're done here but um like it's just maybe I can do other things here and push myself

Starting point is 00:15:01 like even though it is like fuck I gotta say it I feel it's so I feel like it's coming back in fact it is definitely coming back and I think a lot of gay people are like yeah that shit's gay like it's funny but at the same time like there are people who don't know that and are like maybe he just like hates me and it's like okay obviously not

Starting point is 00:15:18 obviously I don't know you you could be a bad person you are sitting pretty close to me that is true just because this guy told me oh oh it's not you blame me look what he's wearing though I am wearing this excellent bunch of a couple extra buttons

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Starting point is 00:17:21 Use the code unsubscribe to sleep better and stay cooler. What was the most pushback you had on one of your jokes? Because you are as wide as they come. When it got, I like on that camera, I was like, oh shit, okay. So I usually, the nice thing is like if you make a joke or something like that later in a video, chances are the people sticking around are cool with it. So I haven't had that much push back like at all. on like Twitter or anything.

Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah, I think it really was that one, like, I hate to say it, like the joke, you have to probably censor that. But that was the one where people were like, that's, dude, like I watched people reacting to my video. And they were like, this is funny. The fire alarm bit? The fire alarm bit, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:04 That was the one that had the most. That is so mild to me. It's crazy. I was like, that's the one. But like, when I watch people reacting to it, which I love watching, they're like, ha ha, this video is great. And I hear that.

Starting point is 00:18:13 And I'm like, oh, which is wild. That's a reaction. Like, sometimes I'll leave. comment like hey like thanks for watching just to let you know like I'm actually not endorsing which is a crazy thing I feel like I have to say here's the question you have to deal with way more being like you oh brother

Starting point is 00:18:27 this guy hates veterans and loves you cut that please just blur all that you're the one that said it that is just like I didn't say it that's the sort of shit I do have to deal with though oh I bet your political opponent's like yes

Starting point is 00:18:46 the thing that does bothered me about shit like that where you're talking about the reaction content. I say that you're up on the screen. I'm not like the thing that bothered me about you motherfucker. Yeah. No, it's me. It's like a big target. The people who do like the reaction stuff and they do the oh, oh my God, ooh, that's probably too far. It's like would you have thought that if there wasn't a camera point in you? I've wondered that. That's the context. It's like these are the people who failed like that category and like testing when you were a kid like reading comprehension. It's like you just, you saw a word and it did the oh my God, it gave me the bad feeling and you completely miss the

Starting point is 00:19:18 That's what that's, we've talked about it multiple times. It's that gaming space, especially the Twitch space, it is so sensitive to words. And that's where we're like that audience in particular because the audience, I love my audience. My audience is great. No, they're good. No, they, if you're part watching this, fucking gangster. If you have problems a lot of the times with simple jokes or, oh my God, they crossed a line.

Starting point is 00:19:44 That's where we, we want nothing. They don't go outside. We don't want anything to do with that. Yeah, I would rather have... It's a huge thing where it's like... Sorry, I don't mean to cut off. Oh, you're good. You just cut me off because I will just not shut the fuck up.

Starting point is 00:19:59 Really. But like the whole idea, I think a lot of people are sensitized to topics because like, you bring anything up and it's immediately like defensive position. Like, it's a defensive position. You even mention like, like, like, for example, I mentioned this podcast and you were like, they were like, oh, Brandon, political. Like, already people hear politics and like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm like, guys, it's, you can.

Starting point is 00:20:18 can have you can disagree with people like I'm sure we don't see eye to eye on many things but the same time like I get to hang out and make jokes with you and it's a blast and like keep it above board that's how you have adult conversations and if we talked about a policy thing that we disagreed on I wouldn't be like oh wow I'm sorry that's problematic for me I can't be seen around you yeah I just I can't I can't follow you anymore and if you associate with him now I'm sorry Eli we can't be friends in New York because that's problematic we're done like we can't even be seen in the same room which is like insane to me.

Starting point is 00:20:48 We'd have a three-minute conversation about it. And like, all right, well, cool. Anyway, you want to grab a beer? Yeah, that's how normal fucking people behave. Let's go hang out and have fun. Let's go play war zone or something. Wild, wild concept. And crazy, again, even with people thinking this podcast is a political podcast,

Starting point is 00:21:05 we've been told that or been shied away. It's like, well, that's a political podcast. It's evidence of the point. We don't talk about politics on this fucking podcast. It's been run one of the main running points was like, eh, like the, the most we get into is if we do talk about like some firearm stuff or when brand is running but then it's not targeted even then i saw somebody comment they're like hey you need to talk more about policy on unsup and i said no i intentionally don't do that i'll talk about policy anywhere else that's your

Starting point is 00:21:34 political opponent being like you need to talk more about politics no trust me my political opponent we're trying to clip farm you right now my political opponent hates it when i talk policy because that's the one thing he hates talking about i'm like that's the only thing i care about but at the same time I understand, like, this is a comedy podcast. And I, like, I appreciate the support of the audience. And, like, they know me for who I am and whatnot. And that's, that's great. But I just, I'll talk policy other places.

Starting point is 00:21:57 I feel like it's inappropriate here because that's not what we're about. Yeah. It's not, you're trying to, like, not be divisive. You're trying to have, like, a good time. You're not alienating 50% in the audience because you're trying to take a firm stance. I didn't realize Dolly Parton is the one that said that first. She was like, no, I'm not cutting my audience in half just because I might not agree with one thing. I'd rather everyone have a good time

Starting point is 00:22:19 listen to my music and get along then nope here's what I think fuck you if you don't think that way it's like hey let's create a nice middle ground where people can communicate talk and actually maybe make a change versus no you no

Starting point is 00:22:35 nothing gets done. Find some common ground too you know wild and that's where the word retard that's our common ground we all can agree that's why I stand the line on YouTube because they're like I get comments of this deal like I can't believe you said retard I'm like that's such a normal like that is not like there's no way

Starting point is 00:22:51 I'm like I'm drawing the line here like we can censor all like fine you win but like retard is fine that's the hill I will die I know like my entire Twitch is mainly just autism daycare that's what I do like that's what Twitch is and they like

Starting point is 00:23:04 I'm part of that group too I'm part of that group too and it's like everyone I've known that's autistic and on the spectrum has been like yeah retard's great yeah like I have not met a single person that has been like I feel deeply offended by that and if you are like

Starting point is 00:23:16 most people who are like most people who are like oh I don't like that word therefore that's still on me though and I'll just like choose to like not engage I'm like respect like I fucking respect that like that's okay to have a boundary and like okay you don't like that language that upsets you fine like if you recognize that and be like yeah I'm going to

Starting point is 00:23:30 take responsibility for it like great I think that's like super mature yeah it's like saying like oh I don't like body horror in movies so nobody can do it nobody can ever do it ever it's like no like I understand if you that's not something you enjoy then just don't watch the movies that happen in it oh is that what these are for oh I was wondering with the

Starting point is 00:23:46 I thought we were, I thought we were prepping for our fucking Chicago live show. I also got needles, too, if we want to just go direct-in-jerk. This goes from Mama Manly herself. Dude, Mama Manly made some dope-ass. Oh, that's good. It's good shit. They have 70,000 gallons of bee, honey. I got almost like, 40, 40,000, really close.

Starting point is 00:24:11 And then immediately you were like, I don't know why I said 1,000. It's not a 0.6 billion bees. Everything. Just heads up. He flew in on bees. It was crazy. They dropped him off. He's allergic to him.

Starting point is 00:24:22 Swelling up right now. That's how he landed softly. He has a balloon. Stick him with EpiPen. Ten subs first. He ten subs. And then we'll get the EpiPen. For ten subs, I won't use the EpiPen.

Starting point is 00:24:35 Every $100, every hundred dollars pushes it off by 30 seconds. Money's tight. You got subs and bits that are fighting each other. As to whether or not to give you the EpiPen? See, we're businessmen first. Don't give them ideas, please. I was telling Eli last night that happened on stream

Starting point is 00:24:55 where I had bought the wrong. So I have like the worst food hours has ever known to man. It's like, well, some of them. I'm sure people have it worse, but it's like, I'm definitely allergic to like eggs, dairy, nuts, peanuts, peanut, peanut, sesame. And everything now, every like,

Starting point is 00:25:08 every bun company puts sesame flour in their foods because it's more convenient for them to do that than to list like, made in production, made in a facility that has sesame, which like they would have to go to some legalese to like make sure it's safe. They don't do that anymore. They just go, we're just putting sesame in there, fuck you. There's one brand

Starting point is 00:25:25 that doesn't. They came out with a new bun. This story sucks. There's butter on the bun. I'm learning. I ate the butter bun on the hamburger midstream and was like this tastes terrible. I took another bite and was like, this is weird. I checked the ingredients and it was like a panic attack. I was like, oh God. I like ran back out to the studio. I'm like, hey guys,

Starting point is 00:25:43 I'm going through a mild medical emergency. Please don't freak out. Everyone proceeded to, like, freak out. Um, so I'm sorry for scaring everyone. You're gonna die. I was like, I have to in-stream now. Uh, I, yeah, I'll be okay. I'll keep you guys updated. And I was like, EpiPen on the standboy. I was just like, all right, here we go. Um, so that's terrifying, but that's somehow to do with what we were talking about on the podcast. That was

Starting point is 00:26:02 somehow intertwined. Oh, we were talking about the bees. Yeah. Thanks. Are you allergic to bees? No, that's good. The one thing in life I'm not allergic to, I somehow dodged bees, not milker. Eggs. Eggs. We'll fucking kill you, but yeah, bees. Bees. Totally fine. Allergies. Not the bees. Oh, God, not the bees. Thank you for picking up.

Starting point is 00:26:21 Not the bees. Not the bees. Yeah. The degree. I'm not used to, when we go to a restaurant, you're like, hey, I will die if any of this enters my food. We were talking about this earlier. Thank God you didn't sign the agreement to get a free trial of Disney Plus. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:41 The Disney Plus arbitration. Just like, oh, cool. Well, I'm dead. that's insane that's like you're sure like able to happen you want to like speak more on then or oh yeah no it's just kind of crazy that like if you sign up to watch the new season of the mandolorean that bob iger is legally allowed to shoot you in the head they do have that i do remember reading that actually oh you read everyone reads those right oh yeah you don't read your 20 page contracts all the time before i hit enter i'm like get out the old reading glasses swipe through

Starting point is 00:27:10 it swipe through it no no no one does no one uses any of that it's crazy that like that's like an accepted thing nowadays it's like oh cool we can just put in whatever we want and no one's going to a understand it and be say no to it's like what are you not going to like use netflix like take it over or something like yeah it's like okay well we we were Cody would register anyone that's a parent that's the most terrifying shit of that level of allergies and you're just ringing it with your baby it's like oh I'll give them as the doctor said oh just give him cheese straight up they're like it's probably fine

Starting point is 00:27:47 test it out it was not fine it was not fine baby's dying it's like it's twice the size now what do we deal with it like I don't even know if EpiPens were a thing back then I don't even know like I know they have you can buy like epinephrine vials because you said you're a 95 baby

Starting point is 00:28:04 I would have thought right it's been around for a kick I don't know if it was readily available they've had that patent for a very long time I'll tell you that I mean epipen's right now are like 800,000. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:28:19 Oh, and they expire within like a year. So it was, so the first patent was issued in 1977. Okay, so it's quite a while. Quite a ways away. But you still have. They were first brought to market in 83. Bro.

Starting point is 00:28:31 Imagine John being allergic to shit, and you don't, and you're just rolling that dice and I'm like, well, I'm going to introduce that new food. And then deathly allergic was something that happens. You just be like, oh, fuck, I'm not giving my kid anything. Yeah. I also think that if a kid in a school has a peanut allergy, he should be allowed to take peanuts to school.

Starting point is 00:28:50 Because, like, that's not my problem. Your kid's a pussy. That's like an extreme, like the airborne. Like, that's really, that's pretty damn rare. And that's like, I feel bad for anyone. It's actually not that. So, like, peanut allergy is rare, but you can usually be in the room with them. Like, that's usually not a contentious point.

Starting point is 00:29:07 It's some people, though, have, like, extreme, extreme sensitivities to it. Like, they can't even be in the same room. Like, if it's on my breath, I have murdered you. yeah like i will i will have an anaphylactic i don't have that i just said like if i ingest it i get it um so yeah no nuts for me that's wild that's a hard one i see cody's point is like the one kid that because right now it is you just pretty much cannot bring peanuts to school anymore like peanut butter sandwich it's is that a thing really is it really a thing yeah that's a school that my son has gone to so far he's 16 now really he can't have peanuts at school

Starting point is 00:29:41 period like you're not there might be one kid that has an allergy. I can only imagine the European response to this. It's like oh, really? That's what you're not allowed to bring to American schools. We're sorry. You have the gun, not the peanut, though. I just saw

Starting point is 00:29:58 like... What caliber is that peanut? I just saw like two Brit bongs in my mind that are like Oh, really? Oh, we're we. I wish our schools ain't a fucking shooting gallery. A big call up do a video game. Oh. I'm like, fuck.

Starting point is 00:30:14 Yeah, we got to attack the American Europeans in our audience Put their hands down Oh, I doubt Yeah, get staffed to the UK No, never mind Get shined enough

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Starting point is 00:32:03 Go get your go-go today. Just really quick, we got upgraded. This will probably come out before. Oh, right. We are now upgraded into a way. Our warm-up show was the small one, which is supposed to be like 900 seats. And here in San Antonio.

Starting point is 00:32:17 San Antonio, still Home City. We're fucking stoked to do that. We wanted to perform here. And then next year was actually the goal to play the Majestic. That was next year's goal. We sold out under a week. So our warm-up show is now our largest show at 2,300 seats. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:32:35 Sweet. I know. I was like, holy shit. Your max has become the warm-up. Yeah. Like, we did that accident on accident. We did it a little backwards. We were too successful in accident.

Starting point is 00:32:48 It's so sorry to hear. Yeah, it's terrible. Pour one now for you guys. But Ben called and he was like, hey, Eli, so this is what's going on. They've offered this. Do you need to talk to the guys? I was like, no, 100% we're going to take that. 100% we will take that.

Starting point is 00:33:05 We're not doing two shows. And like, no, it just upgrades to this venue now if you want. I would much rather do the bigger venue than two shows anyway. Yeah, a hundred, dude, especially. It will look really good. Let's get on the horn with Des Moines. Hey, can you just make a larger, combined two venues together? It will be good.

Starting point is 00:33:22 This theater and cram them together. But to have that size, that's where we watch Rife. Yeah. That venue is fucking dope. And now we get to play it. And that is a wild experience. Is it scary for you guys? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:41 Yeah. I'm terrified. Yeah. I hate public speaking. I hate anything that's to do with it. You picked a great career. Nice job. We started behind the camera.

Starting point is 00:33:51 That's my dumb asses. It's like, guys, I'm forcing you. We, one of our live shows that we went to, like, you're looking on front of me and you can see a couple hundred people. And then mid show, like, I think it's Bram and or Elias or what nudges me. And it's like, look up there. It's like, there's another fucking balcony.

Starting point is 00:34:07 Oh, God, there's more. Is it an extra 300, are you? Yeah. I didn't think you were. nervous enough for the show. Just wanted to make sure there's actually 500 more people above you looking down at you right now.

Starting point is 00:34:17 No pressure. No pressure. That's fun. You'll be right. It'll be fine. Because the lights were on. You really couldn't see it unless you were looking for it. No, you can't see anything.

Starting point is 00:34:24 It's like, hey. Do you ever keep the house lights on at the show so you can see the audience? No, we keep it dim. And our audience, it is one of the best funest times because it's a very interactive show. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:40 Our very first show. and I was the dick for doing this. I made a joke about Cody not talking or saying something. I was like, everyone, if Cody makes a sound, fucking cheer. So he'd be like, yeah, so. You just gave me. Dude, he just gave up talking because they would not let him say. It was like the butter's from South Park fit.

Starting point is 00:35:05 Cody's just looking at me like, what the point? I was like, I didn't. Tell him to stop. I didn't do it. You clearly did it. I didn't know it would keep going the entire show. That's not somewhat good, though. I gave up and just, it was like, I'm going to get drunk now.

Starting point is 00:35:22 You, everything you said was that much gold, though. The crowd went on, like just apes shit every time he spoke. It's fun. It's good time. It will be a good time. I'm actually super stoked that we get to open up with that. That'll be good for the voting stuff if we can talk about that. Sure.

Starting point is 00:35:39 No, I think it's great. just to especially just capitalizing on the audience we have here in San Antonio because I mean a lot of a lot of the folks that are in the audience that are here in in this area of Texas I mean I feel like we underutilize them last time there's a lot of people willing to volunteer and like really get the message out yep because we're fighting the you know multi-million dollar Washington machine the best way we can just like please don't win please don't win we just want we just want our little safe guy in Congress we want to be able to buy a

Starting point is 00:36:06 bidding yeah exactly you don't need we bought the last guy Yeah, we can't buy you. It really is. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of those types. I wish there's certain stories that I'll tell, maybe down the road, but like there's a lot of people in that world that don't know what to do with people like me that I'm not interested in your money. So I think like individual, anyone that might be the first. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:30 It's terrifying because like we can't buy it. It's like an Elon. We can use him as a reference. It's that scary. Well, we can't. This dude's going to do it. he wants. He does not need any outside money from us. For better or worse, money can't influence that guy.

Starting point is 00:36:45 No. For better, for worse. That's a two-sided coin. He's really good at that one game. Yeah. Diablo. Diablo? Yeah. It's like, it's like weird thing. So good at ignoring like the team chat going on right there. It's like, oh, oh, come on, man. But it'll be good. I think if we use that to sign up more, even do your, we talked about that at the gym, it's like, here's your civic duty, make sure you do your research, but also here's an opportunity to register. Because that's, that is something that drives me crazy.

Starting point is 00:37:17 Because, yeah, like we were mentioned in the gym the other day, like the, there's this weird thing where people are like, I have to go out and vote, it's my civic duty. I have the opposite opinion. Yeah. If you are not informed, like, if you don't know who's on the ballot, yeah, like, what are you doing? I thought like, I was kind of seen as crazy for saying that, too, because I was like, I don't, I'm kind of retarded.

Starting point is 00:37:40 Like, I play video games. I don't know what's best for this country. I can't speak on that. I change my opinion, like, every week on everything. Like, I can't tell you anytime to me like, I think this. This is the way things to be. I see, like, a couple links. I'm like, I'm retarded.

Starting point is 00:37:55 I've liked to retract everything I've said. And, like, that's just called growing. And, like, so many people are like, I want to vote for that person because they look like this. Like, that's wild. That's a brilliant idea. I think that, you know what? Great.

Starting point is 00:38:08 Nothing can go wrong. Physiogamy check. Yeah. Jesus. I feel like if you have a, yeah. That's funny. Political Tinder. Oh God, you're like, no, no.

Starting point is 00:38:20 Yes. Oh. I feel like four. If you have a civic duty period, your civic duty is to get informed. Like your civic duty is to get informed before you vote. That makes sense. But like people are like, oh, I have to show up. I'm like, do you know who's on the ballot?

Starting point is 00:38:35 No, no clue. Tell me. I'm like, oh, I can't. fathom, getting out of bed, driving all the way to the polls, knowing when the election is, but having no clue who's on the ballot or what they stand for. It's like, that's got to be a little strange, right? Dude, it's crazy to me. That's why I do kind of respect people that are like, I've done so much research. I'm going to vote. Like, cool. Like, I think it's, I think it's a good thing to do as a person to be like, I want to do my due diligence as best I can. The

Starting point is 00:39:02 problem is right now, I feel like it's so difficult to just find anything that's valid. Like, You go out there, you start searching, like, who the fuck knows? We used to be like in a day and age of information where it's like, if you want to learn something, it's out there. Now it's like, you can find whatever you want. And like, now you have to exercise discretion, which is a problem because trillions of dollars are spent on making sure they influence your discretion. And it's like, oh, I want this thing.

Starting point is 00:39:27 I think I believe that thing. It's like, that has been paid for by so many companies to like influence that or bots or whatever. I'm getting into the deep end here. That's the thing, the powers that be figured out that in the age of the information, or in the age of information, you can't hide things anymore. So what they do is they just hide it in obscurity

Starting point is 00:39:43 through misinformation. Everything else. Here's final. Here's ten things you now have to process. Good luck finding out the real one. It's the truth. It's the truth. And then we'll put misinformation on everything else. There's a bunch of bullshit in there, but

Starting point is 00:39:59 if you dig deep enough and you do the proper research, you will find that one thing. And it's hard to do. You can spam enough misinformation. somebody that you can gaslight the truth out of them. Easily. It's kind of crazy. It's not like, I mean, how many times have they done that?

Starting point is 00:40:15 I love psychology, and I'm going to probably say some, like, wrong shit. I think that stuff's fascinating, like how the brain works. And there's been so many studies done where it's like, okay, everyone's put in a classroom. Everyone's in on the joke. They're going to ask you a question, like, two plus two equals. And then they're going to ask the audience, they're going to be like, seven. And the person's going to be like, it doesn't equal. And they're going to be, like, raising their hands for, like, the wrong answer.

Starting point is 00:40:35 And then they'll be like, I guess it's seven. And it's like you don't realize like how susceptible you are to propaganda and just like public group think or what you think is public group think or like bots or like any conversation you look at. It's like is like is this even like real? That's terrifying. It makes me think of the line experiment. Remember that one it was from back in the day. There's a line of people, actors just standing in line on a street. Oh, people just started lining up.

Starting point is 00:41:02 Yeah. That's so. Same for elevators. Yeah. Have you seen it when they get an elevator? one actor will get in just to show how he can influence other individuals and he will walk in an elevator and he will stand facing the back of the wall and then you see people look at turning and they all turn and then face the wrong way in an elevator too like that's crazy yeah I totally believe it small shit I mean go to an airport like just watch somebody like oh yeah oh my god dude just the NPCs of real life just it's crazy like you like you like to think that like people as a collection are like smart and cunning and then you go to an airport and you're like oh no like this is

Starting point is 00:41:40 actually insane and those are just the people that could afford to fly true like it's just it's just nuts like I flew out of uh Portland airport I'm like from Oregon oh dear like it's uh the airport's beautiful it is a like they've remodeled it it is the most pretty airport in the world can't say the same for the people inside it um it's it's crazy uh Portland like you you you leave Oregon and you realize how like beautiful people are everywhere else. And this isn't like some like, I'm not even saying like the blue hairs or anything. Like I've seen like you go to Portland like the trans people there. They they pass way better than the general population. Like everyone's like oh the homeless is so bad. Like no that's just the people. Like that's just the people in Portland. Like it's just like a slubby. It's weird. That guy has a $7,000 a month apartment. He's not homeless. Oh no. He's rich. He looks homeless. Like they're wearing like tatter. I don't I don't I don't get it. And like there is good people in Portland. and like there's tons of them great people passionate like i like i love i love the city like it like it really is cool um i support it a lot of cool people there but man it is just like weird it is an interesting place so being back in texas it's like oh yeah like i got off the i got

Starting point is 00:42:49 delayed in denver i had a sprint to the connecting flight and i got off the plane i'm like oh i'm in civilization like there's just like nice like people hi how you doing it's like oh cool they're all normal they all kind of look like brandon and i don't feel scared i i got the plane leaning the first two people are you guys you're just like i'm not first two people I saw had like the best skin complexion I've ever seen I'm like oh shit it's a Wendigoon oh sorry it's not like oh it's another Wendigoon I'm like oh damn it's

Starting point is 00:43:13 not oh like Isaiah is perfect you've said that baby he has really nice skin it's insane you're like look at those voluptuous lips oh my god I'm questioning myself if we got to show the Meat Canyon drawing if we got to show the Meat Canyon drawing

Starting point is 00:43:27 of Isaiah in front of the waffle house dude it's on his Twitter I think It's gonna be like handsome Squidward or something No it's just as Papa Meat being Papa Meat You never know it's going through that mind

Starting point is 00:43:44 Creative genius like that I'm kind of scared too He is You should be Such a good dude We guys like you meet individuals Like Windagoon or Papa Meat And you see why they're so successful

Starting point is 00:43:57 They're just great humans They're hard workers Also hilarious You just do not give a shit We actually are trying to get Windegoon for a couple of the live shows. That would be dope. Yeah. I think it's cool and you can see people in like a podcast format too.

Starting point is 00:44:10 Meat Canyon one. Yeah. The lips are like half the face. The other one's worse. Oh, to the right. Uh, down, nope, down and right. One right. Yeah, that's the one, Meek Canyon, Drew.

Starting point is 00:44:26 Open that one up. Open that up. The first thing to show I was like, can I sue? Scroll down, babe? Yeah, scroll right there if you click on like one of those, maybe. Just his little ears

Starting point is 00:44:45 right out the side of his lips. Oh, fucking pop of me. That's crazy. Savage, dude. I saw the first one like, that's pretty good. And the second one's like, oh, God. Got those thumbnails.

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Starting point is 00:45:19 Usually as an issue. I'm not kidding. I'm picturing you doing squats in the gym with these jeans. I could. They are like, Eli's just mauging them. on the audience right now. Finn, make my dick talk.

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Starting point is 00:45:51 Feels like I need to talk to HR. But they were comfortable, right? Absolutely. This brand, the perfect gene? It's actually perfect. It's real denim, but not the heavy stuff. I just like how they finally say that we can say, fuck your cackies, which works great pretty much everywhere except for Boston, I'm sure.

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Starting point is 00:46:53 when did you actually start doing your videos or what got you started going back to you actually do it proper as you want to see if you just follow the analytics and work with a good group of friends like oh I'm going to figure out how to do thumbnails I'm going to figure out how to do titles and then I'm going to really deep dive and learn every aspect of the video because when you have again I was blown away your tracking and all the little things on the bfx side i was like do you guys you're doing this like the world of like even even crazier stuff so to hear that it's like he does we don't yeah to see that level i was like holy shit and then to find out and you're like yeah i do it all i'm like bro

Starting point is 00:47:36 what the fuck because it's high production quality thank you like you're genuinely very good it's the easy part like the editing is the easy part for me where it's like i can just sit down behind a computer and just shrimp over at the pc and be like how did i just make this look better and then it's the writing and everything else where i'm like like like like losing my hair all seven left um i'm just like i don't know what to i don't know what to say like i just i delete more than my right and then when i get into the editing side it's like oh okay i can just make it look pretty and then and then through like some like probably like probably just like way too insecure about the video itself so i'm like i got to make it look flashier and i'm like

Starting point is 00:48:11 toning i'm toning it back a little bit because i think some of it is like distracting from the video um i don't know i did think it's fun to do it started to answer question um it started because i was I was actually touring at the time in the band. It was like, that was like, the big pick me, the big pick me. Oh, I used to be in the band. I do drums. That was like my whole life. Like that was, it was like, the only thing I wanted to do in life was just like,

Starting point is 00:48:33 be good at drums. That was like, this is my self-worth, drums. And I got the job. There's some cool people. I don't like to say like the name of the band. They changed directions and did some other things. I don't, I don't, I wish them like a huge success. We didn't see eye to eye musically in a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:48:50 But they did give me like a lot of amazing. opportunities and like taught me a lot of like really important just life stuff to just like being with that family and like living with them um they brought me on we started touring and I was like this is my dream job and then a month passed and I was like maybe maybe like doing this for 45 minutes a night get 30 to like an hour and then the rest of the 23 hours is like oh this is different like touring you guys know like touring probably not the same touring with us as touring with a rock band probably yeah but like you know we said like a like we had a good life

Starting point is 00:49:23 like we're in like a Mercedes Sprinter it's like customized out like it's nice but like we're sleeping in that every night it is like you are just every second of the day it's like you don't know what's coming up you have no idea what you're doing and you just got to kind of make it work and also you've got to kind of be

Starting point is 00:49:38 I was like the tour shepherd I was sort of like the responsible one like me and my manager were like he's like you're in charge of like keeping this shit together because it was his sons it was his sons that were like the guitarists And like, you know, they're great, but it's like, family dynamics, maybe they're off doing something else. They're going, like, I had to be like the one that's like cortisol all the time.

Starting point is 00:49:56 Like, where are we? We have sound check and we don't even know. And you're off at like a different state eating lunch. You know, but it's like that would happen many times. It's like, we have sound check in five minutes ago. Shit. And I feel like that was us on the tour. She's like, oh, we have sound check in 20 minutes.

Starting point is 00:50:11 We're the fucking Cody and Brandon. Yeah, but your sound check is test one, too. Okay, we're good. That's her sound check. Your sound check isn't like, we have to test. like 14 lines in front of house and like the backing tracks and everything else and like that's very fair a drum set and uh oh god so that was that was like the life for a long time and got to go to like some amazing experiences like really shout out to them like they have been they have been they

Starting point is 00:50:32 they bless me like a really cool like people would kill for that job um and it was like my dream job and i was like i don't see this going super long because i'm eating like dog shit food again food allergies living on the road living off of chicken mcnuggets like every meal in like cold cuts from like a grocery store when you have five minutes to stop at a Walmart to like grab and go and then how often how many shows are you doing a typically it would typically be like three to five back to back and you have like one rest day where you're driving for like 17 hours and then and oh okay so three to five with one rest day and then you're back to three to five yeah for how many months uh typically typically typically they're only like a month at the time so

Starting point is 00:51:12 like 28 to 35 days and then the thing is the thing is you get in the flow and you're just like this is it. This is what we do now. And then it's weird because it's like, I know you guys are, you did military stuff, which, like, you chat out. Like, that's, that's tough shit. That's Brandon's like, gangster. I know you're not down with it. Were you going through the political science?

Starting point is 00:51:33 Yeah, that's beat for veterans. Shout out to my buddies. I'm worried my fellow kids. Brennan's like, why? Why are you shitting on it? All right, Richard. Sorry, Brady. Cody gave me ideas.

Starting point is 00:51:53 And then he made the joke. And then it's funny. And then it stayed forever. And then we feed off of it. Sorry, every episode. And it was funny. You go for me and like, we need all jokes.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Like, all right, we need some jokes. Maybe a limit on some of them. I know you're just fucking around. But, yeah, no. I'm usually like any other context, I'm like, I'm the guy who's like, no, I'll keep pushing. Take it farther. No, Brandon for this next few months, he's like, can we just pause? On paper.

Starting point is 00:52:28 So you're doing three to five your driving state, but a month of that is so much. You cannot, until you've done it, because it does sound easy. It sounds like the easiest thing. And then you do it and you're like, America's fucking huge. You don't realize how big America is until you have to drive from like Texas to like, a state in New Mexico and you're like oh yeah it's two states

Starting point is 00:52:51 no problem you're like we're still we're not even halfway through Texas it's still and like all of Texas it's like Dallas Houston Austin and it's like you've got a lot of like maybe you have like where that like one shooting happened

Starting point is 00:53:03 like what specifically right which one no the big one like a Walmart El Paso yeah actually we filmed a music video in El Paso a month after the shooting happened there just the weirdest thing like walking through that town everyone was just like it was odd like you could feel i don't know it's a weird

Starting point is 00:53:21 energy just a weird energy we drove past the walmart though to see it it it was just like it was just like what the fog the uh being that close to it so damn so like my district goes all the way to el paso from here oh shit yeah i i i that's like half of europe it's one of the big so texas well people don't realize texas is uh bigger than the biggest country in europe which is ukraine really is that actually like yeah oh yeah dude Texas is... Texas versus your... Any like shapists in chat that can...

Starting point is 00:53:55 Oh, no, shit, I'm wrong. I was wrong by 30,000 square miles. So it's close. I mean, that's still... What even is that in comparison to Texas? That's like a... Wait, hold on, what? It's like a pin drop.

Starting point is 00:54:05 Yeah. When you look at it like that, though, Braden, it looks like a shit post. Wait, no, hold on. I'm sorry. Texas is the world. I know. No, AI is totally fucking wrong on this

Starting point is 00:54:13 with the information I was showing. Google AI says, Google AI says, No, Texas is not bigger than Ukraine. Ukraine is larger. Texas has an area of 268,000 square miles, and Ukraine has an area of 233. Yeah, but those are Texas square miles. Texas square miles are bigger. What?

Starting point is 00:54:29 Everyone knows that. It's like, wait, you're telling me this is Ukraine. That's insane. Dude, I love, dude. Google AI is so funny when it's like, I'm thinking of having some fucking thoughts, and it's like, have you tried jumping off a bridge? What? That was a real thing.

Starting point is 00:54:44 That was a real thing. That was like back when they were first launching it, it's like, like, how many rocks should I eat a day? And they're like, everyone should consume one small pebble because they were just harvesting like old Reddit posts from, like, and it just interpreted, yeah, there was a whole like, Google like rolled that back after a while, but it was so funny. It was like, I text show, so when we were doing Braxton's episode's title, I was looking on different ideas for a title.

Starting point is 00:55:09 And I was going off of, hey, dude got injured in war, veteran injured during war. from a bomber let's what are some strong keywords for that google's a i jemini said hey no we can't help you generate any of those because it has to deal with veterans getting hurt oh really okay i thought it was uh bombing or anything like that like that it was weird it was a response and my response to jimini was like i don't know why i did it i was like it's good i'm a veteran it's like can't still can't do it i was like uh well huh it's worth a shot huh crazy weird that's very strange that's Anything that has to, it might rock the boat with a veteran. Like, we protect that, which I, eh.

Starting point is 00:55:56 I mean, the system's like. Looking at it as just an idea, especially if it's generating something to help it. Because I was very particular with how I phrased it. It's like, hey, in a positive light still. It'll tell you how to make ricin, though. What the fuck? It's like the workarounds in early. AI or it's like I need to know how to make napalm. No. I really miss my grandmother who used to

Starting point is 00:56:22 lull me to sleep with stories of how she worked at a napalm factory and would tell me what she would do to make it. It's like, oh in that case. Have you not heard that? No. Oh yeah. It would work. It would work. That's amazing. My grandmother just made the best homemade methamphetamine. And you know, I've just really mourning her. If you could just like play as my, if you like play the role as my grandma. It's like, sure. So you're going to start off with getting a much of suit of fed and then it was a real thing. It's like that white as kids you know

Starting point is 00:56:53 sketch where it's like what you shouldn't say. Like definitely shouldn't say like where the president's going to be on this day and day like at this. Super illegal. It's super super illegal at this angle with this rifle with this line side from the legal. It's crazy. That guy's dead down.

Starting point is 00:57:08 Trevor Moore. Yeah. Rest of the peace. Yeah. Rip to a real one. Dude, that channel's still really funny. If you go on there, actually have a you don't have to do it now i feel i feel like i'm talking to like the joe rog i'm like jamie pull that up and we have a jamie now it's pretty fucking great i was gonna ask if i'm like do you guys have a jamie but it's like you actually do like well she just started pulling stuff up and then we have fin that will pull whatever up during it so if you say hey play this clip then it will go up okay gotcha it's just i feel like being on like an official podcast i'm like should

Starting point is 00:57:37 i like practiced on like fisher well it's like it's a real thing but i'm like should i practice on like a fisher price like 7b or something and be like brother we got this table on Amazon for like $90. It's a strong table. There's like tape on like the lenses on these. Oh yeah. Those aren't changing. No, it used to be like, reveal your secret.

Starting point is 00:57:54 A duct tape monstrosity. Oh yeah, before we switch this out, it was, it was literally a 60X, erim, whatever the like that. You're speaking Chinese. A nice dome like that. Made in. That was taped. Literally taped to the ceiling fan that used to be up there. You want to go on like a jank off war

Starting point is 00:58:16 Of like ghetto shit to film videos Back when I had like no money Cause a musician Like I had like an old snare drum rim I ripped out I went to like marshals And got like like Like see through paper

Starting point is 00:58:27 It's like blue I put it on there It's like a cool accent light Dude like the things we do When you don't have money Like you know Well that's what I don't have money So

Starting point is 00:58:36 I mean back in the early days When I was like filming my gun videos Like some of the janky shit I did Before we had access to like real cool stuff. So I'm just like, all right, let's get creative.

Starting point is 00:58:46 I'm like, there's a video where I'm literally hanging off the back of a U-Haul shooting a flamethrower with one hand with my buddy driving the U-Haul. I don't even remember how we set that up. But I was just like, I look back at some of that shit.

Starting point is 00:58:58 I'm like, oh, man, like this, U-Haul's like, all right, put on the do not rent list. We have a new flame-thrower policy. I'm certain that this falls under

Starting point is 00:59:08 the dangerous acts section of YouTube now. Like, there's no way. Oh, yeah. we used to I mean it was for a bit but like it's a joke dude and it's what separates a lot of professionals on a closed course it really was because it was during COVID we were pretending it was like a zombie like 28 weeks later kind of thing oh okay yeah yeah I'm just having a good time it's what doing not making excuse of why you can't do it all of us we're just hey

Starting point is 00:59:32 let's figure out ways to save money we can't afford it so we'll make this work no matter what it's just doing a blue accent like with a piece of paper do doing anything you can When we first started this, we used three cell phones. Yep. Yeah. God, I hated that. The dumping of the data on that was the biggest bitch. For whatever reason, that was the hardest thing is just ripping those hours.

Starting point is 00:59:55 Thankfully, at that time, it was an hour podcast. 30 minutes to an hour. They're pretty good now, though. It's pretty crazy. Some people are like, oh, what camera should I buy for Twitch? It's like, you have a phone that has like the most expensive engineered, like, a lens that's mass produced. You have it right there.

Starting point is 01:00:09 It works pretty well. Everybody has 4K in their podcast. pocket. Yeah. That's a crazy state. It's nuts. It's a little scary. Yeah, compared to where we start, especially 2010 era, 2009, you had the T3I cannons. I don't know what you shot on at first when you first got into it. Oh, God. I was, I just using a webcam, like a Walmart webcam. Yeah. You can tell in my earlier videos. It's so shit. So bad. It's blurry. It's out of focus. But you weren't thinking like, oh, I need to invest because my entire full-time job is about to become YouTube you're hoping for that yeah yeah I wish for that you never plan on it and even once you

Starting point is 01:00:48 have it you don't have it because I can go away in like a second yeah oh you make sure you're set up and you a lot if you do take that leap where okay I'm going to stop this job a lot of times it is when I go into this field though I'm going to go above and beyond it's not going to cut corners not that I made it so I can do this now quit and then you don't put it anymore ever effort into your content. It's okay, I just stop that. I'm going to now mass produce content. I'm going to see what you have. You have to keep the ball rolling like so many ways. I'm like, everyone says like, oh, it's so lucky. It's like that's like, that's 10 years behind that like overnight success. Like there is a lot of time. There is luck. Like there is luck

Starting point is 01:01:28 a part of it. Like some people just, it doesn't hit until later. Sometimes you just hit the right cord. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you just strike the right audience. Like the algorithm that figures out like who your audience is. At the same time, like that can also disappear. Like that is a like that is a reality. and I've seen it, like, you guys are probably seeing it more than I have. You've been around the block forever. Like, how many creators have you seen just like... Brandon! Brandon!

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Starting point is 01:03:33 I remember like five, six years ago, I was visiting with Matt Carriker for the first time. ranch oh yeah I went out to stay with him because he had just copied one of my videos like as a joke and he reached out and he was like hey man do you do you want to do some content together I'm like yeah dude like here that's like the dream demo blowing up cars is like the ultimate male fantasy I was like I was like I was a relative nobody at the time I was like 100 100 K something like that on on YouTube like I just I just started in my my arc I guess right how long ago was this I was like six years something like that yeah I'm going to say with something along those deals like two probably like depends on the day man i feel like the last five

Starting point is 01:04:14 years have just been like and it's 2025 but it's weird the the reason i bring it up is because he he had reached out we we went to go hang out and at the time i was just on the at the the end of my first video kind of going viral and blown up and we kind of followed it up with something so i in a very short period of time i went from 20k subs which is where i was stuck like between 18 20 for a while and had blown up to 100k and i'm like oh this is yeah oh my god this is so awesome you're like oh my god and then five times it died and i was kind of i was talking not dead in the water but like the the the spike had died off and i was just talking oh oh i see i just i don't depression it's so real though on youtube where it's like

Starting point is 01:04:55 i'm the i'm the king of the jungle look at the algorithm figured it out oh you're done but i asked characters though did that to that second channel i started why yeah i got i got a hundred thousand subs in two weeks and then suddenly it went boop and just they killed it fucking wild because cody is doing two two to four videos a day right and you're getting a minimum 100,000 views oh yeah it was nice every and this is again four two to four times a day and then overnight they just cut it off and you can see where they kind of cap the views somehow because it's like straight 20 20 20 20 20 20 when it was last month it was 100 400 one of them hit a million and you can go back in your analytics and see how many people YouTube is serving it to yeah like how many

Starting point is 01:05:38 the impressions are like the lifeblood and I didn't change anything no that's when you start getting to like the gambling rituals where you start like swiping the screens you're like I must upload exactly at 432 and if I don't it doesn't get views like people start getting to like crazy voodoo of like how do I what do I do it drives you mad on YouTube like that's that's like the reality of it though like nothing no fault of yours I had my need for speed video that was like the first real video I made that was like I want to do a 30 minute thing that's like a passion project and best performing video I ever had 140,000 views within like I think it was like a day I had I had like I think not even like 70,000 subs and I got it was an age restriction

Starting point is 01:06:19 like and it just kneecapped it and I went to YouTube and I was like what did I do wrong and of course you can immediately be like oh there's probably like 30 things I did wrong um but like nothing that bad and then they came back a nice and brisk five days later like our bad we're so sorry like I did that our mistake yeah I mean at least

Starting point is 01:06:38 I guess but so like it was just kneecapped forever sorry we killed all that growth you just had we're so sorry you had like

Starting point is 01:06:43 the best video you ever made in your life but I was still sitting there like happy with the numbers and then a year later I was at VidCon

Starting point is 01:06:49 with my friend my friend Scamboli reviews is like one of like the best and YouTubers in the business funny fucking guy you guys will love him

Starting point is 01:06:56 he's the guy that actually told me to do YouTube you asked about that he was like he saw like memes he was like you're a retard

Starting point is 01:07:02 for not having a YouTube channel I'm like, it's all luck. I can't do it. It's like, I did this a year ago out of my bedroom because I was having fun and I have a 300,000 subscribers now. I know he's up to like a million. I'm just like, okay.

Starting point is 01:07:13 And he like helped me. Like I have a channel thanks to him, honestly. Shoutouts a scam. But I was at Vidcom with him. And then the Need for Speed video got a million views in two days. Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. And just went like, all right, you're good to go. And then dead after again.

Starting point is 01:07:27 Oh, yeah. It was so weird. And we've had videos too where it'll get like, it'll get a cool million to. use and then eight months down the road it suddenly shoots to like three million yeah it just like we used to see like consistent spikes at least I did like a week or two after posting it would shoot up like that but anyway when I was bringing up a character like demo ranch uh like me you know fresh off the big first success I was starting to see that like fucking plateau and I was kind of like asking him about it I'm like hey man you're the you're the big guy who's been in this

Starting point is 01:07:58 business for years like what and he's like oh this is your first time like literally the you know, news meme, first time, he's like, dude, it always comes back. He's like, at least in my experience, he's like, don't get me wrong. You could be fucked. I don't know. But he's only way to find out is to keep doing it. Yeah, he's like, in my experience, it always comes back. As long as you're not doing anything crazy or anything like that, like this is, it ebbs and flows.

Starting point is 01:08:20 And I took that with me because sure of shit, throughout over the years, since that time, it's probably blown up and then stagnated for me maybe 10 times. Yep. That's crazy. You have those fears where we The hardest part is YouTube doesn't tell you what we'll fuck with stuff And then they will act

Starting point is 01:08:38 We'll be like no, that doesn't kill or reach And you're like like a live stream Yeah like live streams don't hit hurt Your algorithm and we've seen across the board It has hurt everyone's if they've done A single live stream on their main channel The next how many videos will Oh dude it was five even

Starting point is 01:08:58 And you could see where it was like capped It was my views got cut in half Really? And my views are usually pretty consistent within a certain area. So what was the number from and the number two? Not to make this like an analytical thing. After a couple days, my views are usually around like a million, 1.1, 1.2 at the time. And it was immediately cut to like 490, 500 consistently.

Starting point is 01:09:19 There's multiple. It was in a row. It was just like I heard it in my head whenever I uploaded, like the Red Dead 2 like dishonor. Dung! Like every fucking time I uploaded. like, dang. You're making me love upload videos, uploading videos on your platform YouTube,

Starting point is 01:09:36 nothing like YouTube, incentivizing their creators. They give you the things over. It's like, it grow your audience by live streaming. It's like, nice try. Nice try.

Starting point is 01:09:45 I see what you're doing. It was like a month and a half before I recovered from that. That, and off of like one live stream? Yeah. I have, I have like some theories on it

Starting point is 01:09:54 because I feel like when I go live, again, a lot of people on YouTube, like they're not there for live streams. And it's like, you ping them with the notification at YouTube. And people see that are like, oh, I don't want to, I'll turn up notifications.

Starting point is 01:10:04 But like a shift from a million to 400,000 is like insane. It was, it was not great. And it was, it was some bangor videos, in my opinion, too. Like the M70, that's the 40-mill thumper video. Like shit that I was prepped, I was excited for for a while. And because it fell in that rut in the algorithm. Now, there's always the, I'm always open to the idea, like, oh, shadow band, whatever. Like, maybe I just suck.

Starting point is 01:10:24 Like, that's a total possibility that maybe this is my fault. But when you see statistical anomalies like that, really. We're like, all right, if I put out one shitter video, it doesn't do so good. That's on me. You know, always. And we have a pretty good. When I do one thing that's different and then it's five in a row, that's come on. And all of us have a pretty decent finger on the pulse to what we'll do good.

Starting point is 01:10:48 We'll have a within 10% margin of error. Hey, this is how many views this will probably get or around here. Or where it will fall in our one through 10 ratio. Like if we're really proud of a video, it'll do like, yeah exactly it's always the ones like you want the most like you believe in the most

Starting point is 01:11:06 that usually end up being the worst and then you'll have some shitter video that like just pops off like nothing you're like okay I don't know what I'm doing the creator curse no timing of that in it fucking took off

Starting point is 01:11:17 this never know it's terrifying stuff and then you have also like Cody gets fucked on just start censoring censoring and Leon Lush he has one where he couldn't cuss for a long time

Starting point is 01:11:28 like if he's had one curse word demonetized and he would ask unsub how the hell do you guys never get demonetized and you curse wait he was getting demonetized from cursing yeah it happened uh which is wild summoning salt that happened yeah oh yeah he well it was uh he had like a he had a clip of twitch it that was the i think that was the mega man speed run yep he had the megaman speed run he had a pop off clip of a streamer that was like holy holy and i think that's what got him in hot water but the crazy thing with that. It was, it was insane. But the, the crazier part was YouTube got back to him and was like, oh, our bad, like, we'll reinstate it. And then they did. And then they didn't. They took it down. Like, oh, it's child safety. Or if, I may, I may be misquoting it. No. But it was some, like, this makes zero fucking sense. And, like, they kept going back and forth. And he's like, he had to re-upload the whole video. Yeah. He, like, of course, he didn't do, like, nearly as well. Or I think, I think it made a pretty good comeback because the people were, like, rallying. But it was the first, like, YouTube does not give a fuck. I think I've got a a good analogy for this.

Starting point is 01:12:30 It's super subjective to whoever the manual reviewer is to, like, for instance, when it comes to our content, like if we get a manual reviewer who's based in Los Angeles and we're doing gun content, they're probably going to try to find some way to smack us, where if we get a manual reviewer that might live somewhere in the south, they might be like, oh, this gun content's completely in Malaysia, which they totally don't do. Yeah, they're going to say like America. Yeah, they don't contract out around the world. They don't do that.

Starting point is 01:12:57 The best analogy I have for this is let's say you're in a NASCAR race or an F1 race or some shit like that. You're like, all right, you're all in the starting line. Boom, you go. You've got momentum. Like, you're moving pretty good and you're like pretty close to the front of the pack, right? And then YouTube will come in and hit you with a penalty. Boom, now your speeds minimized to 10 miles an hour. Everybody else is still going the same speed.

Starting point is 01:13:20 They can all start lapping you. And then after an hour, they come back to you like, oh, never mind, our bad. That wasn't really a penalty. You can go now. You're good. Now I have to go back to the normal speed. You don't have employees that you're paying. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:33 I'm still. Our silly little whoopsie doodle. I've still lost the race. Are you fucking kidding? Yeah. It's oh, it's insane. Like they make it seem like it's just this little like, oh. Whoops.

Starting point is 01:13:44 It's like, no, you don't understand like you just killed six months of hard work. Yeah. Especially for you. Yeah. With that level of work. You're putting you to each dude. Working on a video for one month, two months. And then it gets kicked back.

Starting point is 01:13:57 monetize it would be heartbreaking oh yeah so there's actually a way you can check in the creator studio under monetization if your video has been manually reviewed do you know yes yeah you can see that every single one of my videos has been manually reviewed pretty much same single one and they don't it doesn't happen until the video gets views so i think there's something where we're like if you want to get any algorithm there is some form of check where like they something i don't even want to say somebody because i feel like that's giving them too much credit something like scans it Remind us after we're off the podcast. There's some stories.

Starting point is 01:14:31 There's some things you can do. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Oh, interesting. We'll, like, make a little mental note on that. We can kind of help you out with that a little bit, but still like it. I love to, I love to hear it.

Starting point is 01:14:42 I hate that we have to, we have to try to jump through hoops to, just to do our job on a platform and try to comply with their guidelines. Because we all do try to comply. Whatever those guidelines may be. The shifting guidelines. It's like, yeah. Move goal. Post, move goalposts. I'm saying, whatever the...

Starting point is 01:14:59 Yeah. Oh, dude, those are the fucking worst. They come out with new guidelines and they're like, oh, this affects your... Yeah, all your videos, you have now, like, lost your channel because, like, 20 videos got struck at the same time, which happened to a lot of people. And talking to YouTube, you're like, how do I make content that will comply with your guidelines that you haven't written yet, that will go into effect three years from now? I don't know how we're supposed to do that.

Starting point is 01:15:23 It's, like, crazy hell loose they are with that. And they're, of course, like, I think nebulous on purpose so that they don't find people screwing the line. They're like, oh, we can just sort of say whatever we want at any time and not have liability. And it's like, you don't realize, like, how much pressure that puts on creators, like, just mind read. Like, we're not mind readers. Like, we're, like, idiots in a bedroom. Like, what the fuck? Like, we're in good faith.

Starting point is 01:15:45 We want to make good videos. We want to, like, entertain an audience. We want to, like, play by the rules. Like, I'm happy to, like, appease YouTube for the opportunity to make a video. Like, I hate that I have to do that. But, like, you know, it's reasonable. At the same time, it's like, Help me out.

Starting point is 01:15:57 I'm trying to help you guys. Like every creator knows like the stress and fear of like that email. It's like you've been to email or like you've been like. What's worse too is that YouTube while you know we all have our our issues with the way the platform is run, they're probably the best compared to other things like meta. Oh my God. Meta's horrible. Meta is especially. Is that a surprise?

Starting point is 01:16:18 I'm very sure. Not really. But like they're like at least Google I will say makes a conscious effort to try to be fair about their enforcement. and like they'll there's at least a line of dialogue that's open meta they don't give a fuck they're like oh this doesn't comply because you're trafficking illegal goods I'm like I posted a what AR 15 mag like what the what the deal they're like sorry we manually reviewed it which mean it an AI manually reviewed it and we determine that you're you're still at fault go

Starting point is 01:16:49 fuck yourself your shadow band like and side note there is no customer service on meta if you've never seen it there is oh yeah no zero there is no way to get to hold of somebody to talk to at meta and that is on all our levels we have no access to a human being at meta no period unless you're paying tens of thousand dollars they don't have humans they don't even have humans there like and you're like marks they don't even have a human to run it yeah i say marks is sort of like they don't have a number try to find a phone number to call about an account you he's too busy like you can't do anything The fucking Harkinen or whoever from Dune.

Starting point is 01:17:29 He's just sitting there in his giant, this mud bath of sweet baby rays barbecue sauce. I'm here making sweet baby rays. He's blinking like four different directions. I don't compute. I'm now one with the kids, though, because I have a broccoli haircut. Wow. That's insane. Today's unsubscribe episode is brought to you by booking.com.

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Starting point is 01:18:55 versus others and it is like endorse terrorism yeah exactly if you twitch right now their leadership is i mean most people are not happy like most people are not happy with like the way that's being handled at all um it's a shame because i think twitch twitch is very fun i think they have the best tools for like creators and like you know donating it's a really fun community in twitch and i know we kind of got we got off this later but i was like i know twitch is like we talk about gaming we talk about twitch and like being safe spaces and all that stuff and it's like i i understand the gaming space being a lot more kind of I think

Starting point is 01:19:27 a little bit less joky in those things because it is like it is a lot of people that are online all the time like they don't want to be around like politics or edgy humor I think gaming attracts that audience and like I get that so I try to play by that role and respect it

Starting point is 01:19:44 but the same time like Twitch itself is I've seen a lot of creators like leave off of it there is now like some competition for them I think they are feeling that heat a little bit they are trying to make make changes and like, I don't know, are they? What kind of changes are they trying to implement? They've, I think they've upped their, like, moderation pretty well.

Starting point is 01:20:03 I think they're doing a better job of, like, enforcing. Oh, I just think, like, I think they're, oh, I have some, I can't say a couple. I'll tell you guys after the podcast. Sure. I'll tell you later. But I think there is hope for it is all saying. Well, you can always just so. I do agree that, like, the plurality of the rules of like, oh, this creator said that, like, slap

Starting point is 01:20:24 I remember like what was that one creator like Frogan or something I was at TwitchCon when that whole panel happened and they were just sort of like oh it's like they're like ranking like the race ranking yeah the race ranking yeah I saw like me like I thought that was a joke when he first brought it up like that's not real like that's not real like that's not real it's like they actually eventually were like fine we'll do something against it but it's like it's clear favoritism is the annoying part because I'll tell you this point blank I have never met a community of creators on any platform that had as much fear of the TOS and the platform itself as Twitch creators. Yeah, really? They're terrified. Versus like YouTube, you know, Facebook, Instagram, whatever. Like, to Twitch, they're just, oh, TOS, bro, TOS. Like, I didn't even know what the fuck that meant

Starting point is 01:21:12 until I started streaming on Twitch. Like, it was a brief period I stream there. Yeah, there was a time where TOS was like really touchy. I think now it's more of like a cultural thing where people say like, oh, this could be TOS. Like it's, I think a lot of that is tongue and cheek. think the rules on Twitch are like actually pretty clear now where it's like I was playing LA noir great game by the way and there was just like one part we had to like inspect like

Starting point is 01:21:33 a naked bitch on the ground that was dead and I was like you could just call him a white for why I think I'm starting to see what sorry sorry uh it's like it's like it's a video game character I'm I know you are I know I this naked bitch you're sorry you guys here's a Red Bull. Let me tell you about why I hate women. It's like, oh shit. Dumb slut that deserved everything. You see when this bitch was wearing nothing, it's hurt for all.

Starting point is 01:22:06 Why am I getting so much hate? I don't understand. Like, wow, they will get more upset about a clump of pixels than a clump of cells. Yeah, I guess so. I don't understand where all this backlash comes. Kind of like, well, like, black and white filter kicks in. It's like, just dumb fucking deadbill. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:22:30 I apologize to it. Now, now on Twitch, now you've got to self-flageolate for the next three days. I'm so sorry. I'll cover myself in Ash. Uh-oh. Blackface. Oh, shit. That's why I got banned.

Starting point is 01:22:45 I was for Ash. Damn it. Fuck. You're like, I got banned because I call someone a bitch. No, it was the active black face. You guys don't put on red lipstick. with the ash on everything? Not unless your name is Justin Trudeau.

Starting point is 01:22:57 Right, bro, yeah. That's so crazy. Dude, I have so many friends to Canada. Like, I like Canada, it's a beautiful place. I'm like, are, dude, America's so racist. America's so racist. I'm like, first of all, have you heard of this whole country, a little continent called Europe?

Starting point is 01:23:10 Oh, God. You think America, like, America has some of those progressive places in the world. People don't realize that. America's so racist. Like, dude, what are you fucking talking about? Like, they're writing about this shit in Europe every day or something like that. Like, there's, like, you go on to counterfeit, Strike into European servers.

Starting point is 01:23:25 You will explode. Go to Poland. Go to, yeah, go to fucking Poland. Go anywhere. I don't know. But the whole Justin Trudeau thing, too, it was like, oh. Sorry, we derailed you on LA, noir.

Starting point is 01:23:36 My brain will just follow, like, a thousand different things. I swear I had, like, the ADHD, just like a thousand different, like, just at once, and then they're all wrong. We all do. Oh, my God, you pulled it up. Yeah, dear God, I forgot it was that bad, too. That's a good example.

Starting point is 01:23:53 of Twitch and moderating some. They're like, no, they're fine. They've gotten, I think they've gotten better at it now. Well, I mean, now that they, like, had some heat being like, hey, how come some streamers are saying this and then others are saying that? She would have Zach getting Twitchy. It's the most pathetic looking group of people I've ever seen in my fucking life. It is them just being.

Starting point is 01:24:14 And they're all, what, three of the, two or three of those are getting a lawsuit right now. Yeah. Oh, really? That's the one that called me insecure because I said something. about Idubs. Oh, because you said you wouldn't want your, your, your, your fiance, or excuse me, your, your wife, uh, to be on only fans. It was something like that.

Starting point is 01:24:33 She said, well, that's because you're insecure. Yeah. Yeah, two of, you know they're getting sued, right? No, I had no idea. What, do you not know? I don't follow a lot of Twitch drama. I was speaking of, I think they're holding up ahead of, uh, Ethan Klein. Yeah, I think the Ethan Klein bit was the one that was like, whoa.

Starting point is 01:24:49 And now they're being sued by him. Yeah, Ethan did the, um, largest chess move ever that was fucking cool he did a content dump what was it called content oh the content nuke yeah yeah and he put that out and then before he put it out on purpose because he knew certain individuals would react not speak during it and then use it as a form be like hey watch it here so you don't give them views so he went to a lawyer he did a copyrighted copy every single bit of it, any which way, shape, or form he could copyright it. So he did all of that and then put the video out, and then they reacted exactly how he knew

Starting point is 01:25:33 they would on stream live, talking about it, making sure it's like, don't watch it there, don't give him money, doing everything that is against free, open... Fair use? Fair use. So actively against fair use. And they're sitting there for like three minutes at a time, not saying anything. And they intentionally, they spoke about it before. They said, I'm just going to let this play so you can watch it here so that you don't have to give him views, which is where it becomes malice.

Starting point is 01:26:00 And then once that came out, he's like, got you, bitches. And then he sued three individuals, two are on that stage because he shows it on the video. He's like, see what you did? This is what I did prior to this to set you all up. And now they are, I mean, a lot of them just shut up. Well, two should have shut up. they didn't and one actually was smart and was like I'm gonna just not

Starting point is 01:26:27 I fucked myself someone who had a good attorney someone like had it like don't some counsel yeah hopefully you figure a lot did not have cancer so what's the lawsuit because I don't really know much about this I kind of stay away from like more the side of like the content stuff it's not my world I'm not smart enough to know anything about that what are they suing for fair use they he set it up can you bring up so is it just for like is it more like a defamation thing

Starting point is 01:26:51 or is it more just not just It's not just defamation. It's the fact that they're actively stealing his content, and he can prove that they're doing it maliciously. Because they've constantly come after him for years now, because I think it's because him and Hassan broke up, and they've been having a few. And one of those girls is one of Hassan's mods,

Starting point is 01:27:10 and the other one just sucks him off and loves everything he does. There you go. Ethan Clydes, who three Twitch streamers program, Dan, Casey Tron, and the June 2025, alleged copywareite infringement. Oh, but... Yeah, so it's copyright infringement without transformative

Starting point is 01:27:25 commentary, which makes it against fair use. Content nuke without adding transformate. So he's making the argument like they've stolen like views from him or something like that in the past and that's sort of like you're using my stuff. No, he did it on that video.

Starting point is 01:27:39 Well, the video specifically is the moment they're getting him for the legal, but I feel like in the realm of content creation, like when someone makes a video and someone reacts to it, I would think there's a bit of, even if it's obviously like in contention, there's a bit of like,

Starting point is 01:27:52 buzz and that's like pushing the videos further like I would think that's like kind of a almost like a net prop like a net profit off of that if you have like drama like that where they were having the problem is that they were intentionally just like hey if you want to watch this video without giving him the views or the credit or the money you can watch it on my stream instead so you could still see the content I'm taking from him sure without giving him any yeah I'm not reacting to it because you have to react or have you have to have like an action actual okay okay and they didn't it that was the biggest thing they didn't even say anything about it they just like streamed yeah yeah exactly they just let it play full screen that's a lousy because i was gonna say like if it's just like oh i thought he was striking it just because like they're doing commentary no there's like that's i don't know i feel like you should be able to do that like in the sphere of creatorship like have some banter back and forth if it's just like oh well that's why

Starting point is 01:28:43 he didn't it wasn't yeah there's no commentary it was literally like i'm gonna let this play for 12 minutes i'm gonna go get a soda because yeah that if he would have been Hassan, he would have sued Hassan. I have a thing on my channel where I have like a button where it's like the Be Right Back Screen. It just says like the Hassan chair. It just spins. It just spins.

Starting point is 01:29:00 That's kind of funny. So that's why he didn't sue Hassan. Because Hassan reacted to it. He actually talked during the breakdown. He actually like did a thing over it. Yeah. So he's like, oh, can't sue that individual. I'm very pro.

Starting point is 01:29:10 I'm very pro like. Yeah. Like don't abuse fair use. Like if you are transforming content, I've had people react to my videos and it's like, if you're cutting it up, if you're doing something or like, transforming it, like, more power to you.

Starting point is 01:29:23 Even if it's, like, not what I want you to say or if I agree or disagree, it's like, I think it's cool that people can do that. I think it's fun. But if you're just doing it maliciously, that's fucked. And I think there's definitely been some content creators that, like, I think, what was it? Three letters. The guy who's, who's, he talks like this.

Starting point is 01:29:40 Excuse me. Thank you. Wow. You were off the word. The meat cany. Oh, God. the maids he's like cross on like the little gold thing that was such a good video

Starting point is 01:29:55 because I think he would also do that too where it's like all right shot I would put in a video and then it's like disappears and then like that's if you're doing that on a stream I think that's fine because again like you play a video on stream whatever people aren't like

Starting point is 01:30:06 you're not taking views away from a YouTube video and then when you upload that as like X you see his reaction to this 20 minute awesome video and it's just like him taking a piss while the video plays in the background it's like you're now ranking higher

Starting point is 01:30:18 than the video when you go to search it like that is that is like That's f*** up. Like, you were just, like, leaching off of someone else's hard work, which is... It sounds like we have the same opinion, though, on, like, reaction stuff. We're, like, I love watching stuff when... It comes up in my algorithm occasionally where people are reacting to my videos. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:34 And I'm very interested. I watch it occasionally because I'm invested to see, like, hey, did that joke hit the way I wanted to? Absolutely. Or, like, what are their questions? Like, especially if they're not really big gun people. It's like, did I explain this well enough that the average person could comprehend it? And sometimes the answer is no. And I, like, write that to hard.

Starting point is 01:30:51 I've like fuck okay explain that better next time do you find that people like often laugh at stuff that you never thought were funny sometimes yeah it's i've only mean i'm obviously like i'm not like some like huge or like oh mainly reviews or whatever it's like i get like i get a couple like content id things i'm like i always watch it it's always a blast it's like i take notes i'm like all right did they laugh at this no they didn't they thought this was funny though and like this it's you never get to see the people watching your videos you never get to see the reactions you have to something that you put your passion into and then to see something be like That was so funny.

Starting point is 01:31:21 Oh, I love that he did that. It's like, oh, that guy's a piece of shit. It's like, uh, okay. I know, damn. It's like, uh, I know. I was surprised. You usually don't see that, though, too much. Yeah, no, I don't really see a lot of,

Starting point is 01:31:34 a lot of the reaction guys are very, very polite. They're very kind. I mean, it's like, here's what we're talking about. Like, we just have fun here. There's nothing like polarizing. You're not talking about, like, here's this gun. Anyways, about the Middle East conflict. Like, uh, well, uh,

Starting point is 01:31:49 yours I was surprised your content never got served to anyone because I didn't none of us knew about you

Starting point is 01:31:57 and you've been posting for how many years up to that one? Four years it was that thumbnail with Link it was the The Twilight Princess

Starting point is 01:32:04 one right? Yeah the Akira Oh no the Akira okay that was the The one where Zelda had the bone arrow Yes Zelda

Starting point is 01:32:12 Killing Ganendorf is one of my favorites Yeah we got a gamer here It's my favorite familiar with the content Yeah cool that's that we were talking about this the other day your shirt that like what if Zelda was a girl

Starting point is 01:32:24 yeah i have like that's even funnier in 2025 people see it's so fucking wait that one's not that one Zelda's not the gamer card removed which one's which one's Metroid uh I forget I love Metroid man she's so hot it's like okay we're actually Samith Iran well I'm actually can we go back to fucking LA Noir I am so invested in that story and this dead I'm sorry I just wanted you to say it twice yeah damn but you got me that was that was

Starting point is 01:32:56 a moment where I had to be like can I show this on screen and it came out like I actually can't if I if I since I'm in the category of L.A. Noir it's like this is a matured game you are actually allowed to show this and whatever the game has on screen as long as you're not like like look at the naked tits on screen like I obviously can't do that that's not allowed but

Starting point is 01:33:14 uh you show it maybe not even but like twist it They do have it like... Push stick! Well, I think, like, several games. Like, I think cyberpunk had it, too, where it had a streamer mode. They have a streamer mode for that.

Starting point is 01:33:26 I think if you have a streamer mode, you're supposed to use that, but I think even, even... Because, like, not every game has it. They do have, like, language. It's like, yes, like, you can show this. Like, or do not do that. It's pretty clear.

Starting point is 01:33:36 It's like, I had a thing on YouTube where I had to get some root canals. And I wanted to do, like, a fundraiser for it because I was broke. Still kind of am. I'm not as broke anymore. But, I had to do a fundraiser where I was like,

Starting point is 01:33:49 for every $10, I have an Airsoft gun and I'll shoot it up my leg, which I thought would be really fun. Self harm. Well, YouTube was like, have fun. And so we raised like, I think like $3,000 on that. My leg was just like, I had to put a towel down and everything. It was like, it got amputated, right? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Ironically, it required a more expensive surgery. Tooth can out. Okay, so we had to do a follow-up. I'll be shooting myself in the other leg this time to pay for the last. Thank you for your surface. Yeah, he's going to be a veteran in no time wheeling your around. I did my ears at streaming. You guys don't know how hard it is.

Starting point is 01:34:27 He's getting this free golden corral buffet, brother. That was the plan all along. But I wanted to do that again on Twitter. I just think it's fun. Like, it's just fun to kind of like have like a little, you know, self-harm. That's not the best. Oh, maybe. To a degree.

Starting point is 01:34:42 And I looked it up and they're like, you cannot do that. And I was like, okay, YouTube would be like, you. Just don't swear in the first seven seconds of the video. And then maybe we'll demonetize you. Maybe we don't. YouTube, I co-streamed to Twitch and YouTube. And I have had several streams cut from YouTube because I showed something in a web browser before Twitch ever did anything.

Starting point is 01:35:03 Like I was like playing Spondrobbed episodes or doing anything like that. And YouTube was like, uh-uh, no, music, taking it down. You're done. You're over. They are really sensitive about that. Twitch is like, oh, you're playing Spotify live with the song right here. I'm like, okay. Meanwhile, Pepperbox.

Starting point is 01:35:18 Hey, you do what you like. Yeah, Pepperbox, we don't give it shit. Download videos here at Pepperbox. Pepperbox Torrent. Download your favorite Disney Plus. Well, because even on some of my videos, we'll do, like, for the range portions, we're like, man, we would have loved to use this song for, like, the montage. It's like 30 seconds, right?

Starting point is 01:35:40 It's not actual, like, anything actionable, DMCA or whatever, but YouTube's super sensitive. YouTube is so. We'll just put the, we'll put the song we actually. wanted to use on the pepper box cut yeah that's great that you can actually like do it there because like sometimes that song makes makes the cut i had a i have a second channel on youtube where i solely have that i can upload tests because i use copyrighted music a lot of my bits where it's like i want this song i want this one from like splinter cell this one's a awesome i want it and i had to the things i had to do the music like reverb it compress it

Starting point is 01:36:09 little bit differently warp it time stretch it and youtube will catch it and then i find the where it doesn't i'm like that's the one yep and i'll put it in the video it's like get away with every single time but like it is a gamble on there one of my friends um the channel pyro he uh pyro he he spent i think like 70 grand like he he gave up a 70 grand ad deal because it was late for the video just because he wanted one song i'm like an edit he was really proud of holy shit yeah he wanted uh how many views did that video get oh he i think he lost money on it was like five million i think i don't know but we were talking about it he was that's a risk he's like i'm paying though yeah but he was like he was like this is such a passion project of mine like i am going to put like i'm

Starting point is 01:36:46 to forego the ad because I'm waiting for like the licensing deals because he like tried to pay YouTube like I will go through copyright I will get the license and everything so I don't get like ad struck he's like fuck it I'm gonna take the hit and he took the hit and just like made the video I'm like that's I respect that like that's crazy I've done that several times I do it every year on my B channel because we do like the broomstick cowboy it's just like the year in review thing like we do a montage at the end year in review what year in review he's about to go for one right now he's doing a year in review I have to check the but we'll do that we're like we know we're using a song that's going to get us demonetized or copyright strike or whatever.

Starting point is 01:37:20 We just do it anyway because it's like, yeah, fuck it. Especially when you have like a B channel. It's like you can take it hit here and there, YouTube. Like they're not going to, they're not going to your future video uploads because you used copyright, fortunately. Yeah. Which is a scary thing. You wonder, like, is like, am I going to lose money on the rest of my channel? Because like get enough strikes and like, I mean, the whole copyright strike with the thing with YouTube is like so backwards.

Starting point is 01:37:44 Like the fact that you have like docks yourself just to like fight a claim that. anybody can like, I mean, anybody can just, like, take your audio from a video and be like, oh, it's mine now. I went to, like, a website to copyright it. And, like, they don't check. It's, it's insane. Like, they, uh, the checks and balances do not favor the creator at all. Like, at all.

Starting point is 01:38:03 Like, it's, it's because, like, again, like, DMCA stuff. That is, like, ancient, ancient law for, like, a different time period of the internet that does not take into account, like, the way we use media and share media. Like, the concept of, like, social media back then when that was written was, like, What? So, yeah, I think it's like, basically it's, it's like, it's like trying to protect people from, like, people who are burning CDs from pirated shit. Like, it's like, you would download a house type people.

Starting point is 01:38:26 It's like, well, nowadays, that's how, that's how, like, that's what, like, labels do. They, like, they hire creators to, like, use their music and, like, a thousand TikToks or whatever. I love those old, just to get popular. Those old commercials, like, you wouldn't download a car. Like, you wouldn't download a gun. Meanwhile, I'll print, shoot, repeat.

Starting point is 01:38:42 Like, well, I kind of fucking have, actually. You're not going to believe this. Can't wait to download the hell. They've got 3D printers that are doing houses. Yeah, they like lay the concrete in like the little tubes. Don't get them wrong, it's probably a suboptimal probably and the machine's probably more expensive than the house. Like a million times over, but I don't think you like the wiring in there.

Starting point is 01:39:05 Like how do you have a concrete house? That's the neat part. Do you have like a glorified bridge? You just don't have that. You have like an underpass under a bridge somewhere. Okay. I'm like, man. But you have a window.

Starting point is 01:39:16 Oh, that's true. Yeah, you can leave, I guess. Slightly nicer. It's going to talk about going back in time with demonetization when you two do the really big thing. Which one? I know, but the full autos, 30-round mag suppressed, and then all the guys are like, no, you're not going to, it's not retrograded. And then, sure, it should they went back in the way. Hey, actually, sorry, now we're deleting.

Starting point is 01:39:43 We're demonetizing. Retroactively, right? It's like you were completely compliant with all the rules when you posted this video we're still going to age restricted and make sure you make no money. The fact that they didn't plan that

Starting point is 01:39:54 at the time is scary. Now imagine you get, how many, I mean like you grant them, they got hit with Kentucky, hit with a lot of videos at once. I still get hit with one about once a week.

Starting point is 01:40:06 Which is in old content and it's like, nope, nope, nope, nope. Still, no, no, no. And they haven't like changed the wording on that at all? No, it's just, you know, in the backlog.

Starting point is 01:40:14 It's something that's sitting on somebody's desk at YouTube. like, oh, I will review this at some point. And like, that's old content. I don't really care about it that much. But it's just a pain in the ass that people... It's also terrifying to see like the little pop up in YouTube studio. It's like, you have now like received maybe a strike.

Starting point is 01:40:27 If you, it's like, uh, bailiff, whack his peepee. Wack his peepee. Brandon's one strike, Brandon's like, yeah, yeah. Oh, my one strike? I've had several. Oh, dude, I've had like over my YouTube career, like five. Well, decorated, right? Damn.

Starting point is 01:40:43 What's up? One stuck? Well, so they age out. So like 90 days, I think. 90 days and a strike goes away. I'm going to peeve real quick. I'll be right back. Go, pee pee pee.

Starting point is 01:40:52 Yeah, like strikes do age out, thank God. But otherwise I would be fucked. I would be so gone. I wasn't sure on how those worked. I think you get like one freebie, like one mulligan, which my mulligan was wasted on the dumb as shit. It was I did a video making fun of my friend. And it was like our April 1st thing or something like that.

Starting point is 01:41:10 It was James Reeves from TFBTV. It was still a great guy. Love that dude. he uploaded a video making fun of, I can't remember what it was, I think he was making fun of AKs, I was making fun of ARs, and we were making fun of each other directly

Starting point is 01:41:25 and just like making jokes about each other and shit like that, but we both uploaded it on the same day with the same title and like similar thumbnail and everything like that. So it was like a feud video, but like it was very clear

Starting point is 01:41:39 to any English speaking non-AI person that this was all satire. Right. It wasn't even, like, calling it, like, hardcore names. It was just like, we're fucking around. I got community noted for, or not community noted. I got a strike for bullying. He didn't.

Starting point is 01:41:56 He never did. And I was like, what the fuck? It was a one-way strike. A one-way strike. And I'm like, don't get me wrong. I'm glad he didn't get a strike for it. But I'm like, what the fuck, YouTube? And because it was my Mulligan strike, they were like, eh, whatever.

Starting point is 01:42:08 Cody, have you got any strikes? I've gotten, I used to get a lot. I haven't gotten any. I don't think in probably this year, at least. I haven't either, I don't think. I haven't gotten a strike in a while. I think we've been good boys for a minute now. I think my last one was the Shinso.

Starting point is 01:42:25 Yeah. Yeah. And you were like, yeah. After they explained it to me, I was like, all right. The first time I watched that, I said, Brandon's going to get a strike for this one. Even in the video, I'm like, I might get a strike for this, but I did it. Even in the video, I went out of my way to do certain things to, like, not show

Starting point is 01:42:43 manufacturing. Mama made me meth when I was growing up. That brained the same thing just so it shins out. But like the actual manufacturing of the gun, like we didn't show any of that because I'm like, all right, I want to try to keep this compliant. They're like, yeah, but you showed a screenshot of your Amazon shopping cart. I'm like, fuck. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:01 How they're kind of reasonable. Yeah. Like, how do you're, okay. I'm like, you know what? I didn't show them how to do it. I just gave the ingredients. I even called out YouTube at one point because I was like, yeah, I'm going to show you. These are the ingredients of gunpowder.

Starting point is 01:43:14 I'm not going to tell you the mixtures or anything like that of what we're using. Like, I'm not going to give you the actual recipe. But YouTube, if you try to fuck me on this, you can go to the company that your company is owned by, Google, and find this on the first page of results. Straight up. Oh, my God. Enter. It's like, your parent company will tell you instead.

Starting point is 01:43:33 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't let me do it. What? That's really funny. Like, uh, what's your next video you're working on? So the next one right now I'm working on, uh, at the solar pace, what's still working on is Dark Souls too. That is the, that's like a game that is very near and dear to me that I think,

Starting point is 01:43:49 sadly I think has, uh, it's a fascinating story of its development. I'm not going to go into it really, but, because that's the video, uh, but like, super nerds, super nerds also like, I cannot stress super nerds when it does come to gaming. Okay. I don't know if you guys are like Souls fans or whatnot. I love those games. I need a lot to me. Cody's not.

Starting point is 01:44:08 You know, the Alden Ring was pretty fucking cool. I've never really gotten into the Dark Souls games. Fair enough. sorry enough everyone's got there You said two is your favorite one I won't say like favorite All three do something uniquely shitty Usually so like each one has their own drawback

Starting point is 01:44:21 Just really quick Cody have you heard of Baltro Yeah I saw I think it was Hunter I saw someone playing it the other night on Steam And got to looking into it's so Fun I cannot believe you haven't heard of it

Starting point is 01:44:35 He was like what you've never heard of this I was like I've never heard of this game I was like I'm going to screenshot it Cody would be the one to ask on one of these indie style games it might be like one of the best just like small package single developer games I haven't like besides like

Starting point is 01:44:50 I know everyone seems to love it it's really fun yeah I got to look into it and I was like 10 of 10 like that and like undertail or like neck and neck of like the like greatest like single like developer type deal games I can't believe you haven't played it

Starting point is 01:45:05 but the uh the Dark Souls thing I bring that up because like that game is there is so much misinformation about it because it's like it's arguably one of the most contentious video games like ever created in terms of like just the long discourse about like is it good is it shit and people go back and forth like every other weekend on it and sadly most videos I talk about it are usually pretty in their own echo chamber so they don't acknowledge arguments on like the other

Starting point is 01:45:30 side or like measure practical impacts of certain choices within the game of um so like the creation of it is fascinating like the temperature of the people the temperature of like is this game going to suck? Is it good? Even before the game was even being developed, it was like this like, uh, and then they started releasing things about it. It was like, this game sucks before it even started development. I mean, you see, like, you see that a lot nowadays, but back then, like, on a beloved game, we're like, I don't know. Basically, the long story short is like, dark souls one was like, it turned out pretty well. Um, and like, we're going to do Dark Souls 2. And then Skyrim came out. Skyrim shaped like the media that came out for like the next

Starting point is 01:46:09 six years, like at the minimum. And everyone was kind of getting, not fatigued, but a lot of games were abandoning their formulas to be like, we're just going to do Skyron because holy, holy fuck money. Yeah. Basically, Darksville 2, like, one of the stories of Darkl 2 is like, they're developing it. There was some leadership changes. I'll talk more about it later, but basically, they released a trailer. And the trailer was like mountains, dragons.

Starting point is 01:46:32 And everyone was like, fuck this shit. Like, this is not Dark Souls. We're not like creepy dungeons, weird magical worlds and everything. And everyone was pissed at it. it and so like right before even the game came out people were like dark souls two worst one ever made and then um they were like oh shit bad bad press let's show you everything else we have in the game and then they did and everyone was like this this is the coolest thing ever seen in my life like holy this is awesome we're so hype like dark so like we're so back like dark souls

Starting point is 01:46:56 is back and then uh and then they executed the guy who made the first trailer so they didn't well they they kind of executed one of the developers oh really so well it's it's kind of hard they They went through... They went through two different years. They fell off of one of those weird-shaped buildings in New York. Just happened, like crazy. Car crash. Like, oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:47:19 Yeah, just one of those, one of those, like, mysterious things. It just, like, happened. He started talking about the Bolsheviks, and then all of a sudden his Jeep got fire. Just, like, got really sacked out of nowhere. Just, like, rip, you know, happens, I guess. Yeah, they kind of, they had two directors. They hired the first one to be like, oh, we need a new game. engine, you know the game engine, you're working with us.

Starting point is 01:47:38 And then he's like, I want to do all these things. And they were like, that's a horrible idea. We're going to shift that around. And I have to do more research on this. But I'm like actually buying some magazines that came out in 2012 and 13 that actually have some of the detail in them, but you can't barely even find them online. So it's really cool to do the research on this. But basically, the game is super contentious.

Starting point is 01:47:56 I want to get like a fair shot. I do have like an opinion on it. I think it's a pretty great game. It has some drawbacks. But there's been so much propaganda. their side that no one knows what to think and they just like I can say with everyone else they just echo opinions they've heard on reddit they haven't even played the game so many people there were some people that played it for 10 hours and like I didn't fuck with it I'm like cool

Starting point is 01:48:17 great there are people that's the worst game ever made it's like you've never played it you got your opinion on like a reddeter who got it from another reddler who got who just some other guy that's lying or something so that's kind of like the main thing in the works right now and it's uh it's something that I want to kind of like take the channel a direction where like I want to be the person that can be like the voice of reason between like two things. I think it's really hard

Starting point is 01:48:42 because you mention this in the gaming sphere where it's like I make edgy or jokes. I do all this stuff. I don't do it to be edgy. I do it because I think it's fun. That's the way it should be. It's the way it should be. It's not like I'm not going to be like yeah, fuck like

Starting point is 01:48:51 I'm like no, I don't believe in that. I don't think that's right. I really don't. Like I think we're all that stuff. Anyways, you know who else is good at that is DJ Peach Cobbler. Yes, that is a fantastic channel. Love that.

Starting point is 01:49:02 He just a ton of like history stuff too. I'm glad. All right. You were... Oh, dude, DJ fucking rocks. He's one of my favorite creators nobody knows about for whatever reason.

Starting point is 01:49:11 I can't believe... I've never heard of this one. He reminds me of Connors. Didn't he used to do like... Didn't you used to do like con stuff too? I may be thinking of another guy that has like a similar profile picture. But I remember I've seen a couple of his videos.

Starting point is 01:49:25 He does a bunch of video game reviews that like you would... You forget halfway through it's a video game review because he's like tying it back to it's like something in the mid-1800s or some shit or you know, ancient, you know, Roman or Greek history. Like, he goes on these crazy historical allegories and wraps it perfectly back into why

Starting point is 01:49:41 Fallout sucks or, like, something like that. It's really good. But that's what you want in a video like that? It's like, anyone has an opinion on a video game. If you can make it a story, like give some context, like, shed some light about everything else. Use it as like a jumping, like, we all love, like New Vegas, like talk about the politics going on there.

Starting point is 01:49:57 What did this? What inspired this? Where did they take ideas from? And then going back, retroactively looking at that, I think it's such a fantastic way to do content. You've got to check that guy out. DJP Schauber is fantastic. He's one of those weird creators that like every time it comes up in my feed, I'm like,

Starting point is 01:50:11 that's a TV video. I'm going to watch that when I get home. You put YouTube on the TV for that. That's my summoning salt. Yeah, straight up. Oh, yeah. I feel like summoning salt can be a little bit more like, you go to bed for that. Like you get like a sleep sound.

Starting point is 01:50:23 Yeah. That's not a disc. Like that's not a disc. Like that is like the best videos on YouTube are six hours long about like Eve online or something. And it's like cool. Down the rabbit hole. Love it. Like monotone.

Starting point is 01:50:34 Like I just want to. to hear some interesting tidbits and like I'll fall asleep and I'll watch it seven more times. Like that is a perfect video. You go into super depth on your view. I cannot stress it enough when people watch your content is the level of

Starting point is 01:50:48 information you present. Even on a Zelda, you're like, hey, I hated this. This is great. This is stupid. Yeah, I tried to. More stupid. Why the fuck after the first one didn't you learn? This is stupid. Holy shit. But you give it a really good shakedown. Even cyberpunk. I know

Starting point is 01:51:04 Brandon love cyberpunk really it is one of my favorite games really and that's why that's one I wanted so there's just a little context on that that's one I was like oh I was thinking about this the other day on the podcast I'm like I wonder if we're going to talk about cyberpunk um because first off that video made on cyberpunk was when I had I think a thousand subs so I had no idea how to make a production value still really thank you I mean like thank you I that was a really fun thing um again it was like unemployed COVID it's like well it's just spend two weeks making the intro. Like learning. I'm learning how to work a camera still, like having fun with it. It was one video he sent me. It was one of the first ones. Not the first

Starting point is 01:51:42 one I watched, but it was one of the first ones. I only got like a couple minutes into it because I had to like go do something else. But just because it was shit. I hate it. No. It was a, I just got, I got busy and I never came back to it for some reason. It's hard as a YouTuber to watch other YouTube videos. Like, I don't know. I find like the more I do YouTube, the less I watch. I don't want to like take things from other people. I mean, I enjoyed it, but at the same time, I, um, I saw when you had posted it. And it was, you know, when cyberpunk first came out. And I'm like, ooh, yeah. It was, um, the post-Fantom Liberty, it's a completely different game. Completely different. That's why, like, I still get comments

Starting point is 01:52:16 in that video. And, uh, it's funny because, like, a lot of them are in agreeance with it, which is like, huh, I think it's because it knows the demographic. But I do get a couple, um, you know, people are like, you're wrong for all these points. And I'm like, you're probably right. Like, it is, it's my opinion. I, I realize, like, on the internet, like, you really, people don't give you the benefit of saying with like in my opinion and then stating things like yeah it sounds like you're just saying like this is dog shit you're you're retarded for liking it's like no I didn't say that also the first thing I did was check the date check when it was posted I my pet peeve is people who will click on a video and assume that whenever they saw it is when that video was

Starting point is 01:52:55 posted I know dude like they don't check the date I'm like brother that was it's like four years ago I'm a different person by now. Like, you don't even know. Like, this is going to be, like, completely, like, out-of-date information. You're, like, you're at. I get people, like, they leave paragraphs on videos. And it's like, first of all, you're talking to a YouTube video. So I'm not sure what's going on in your world.

Starting point is 01:53:15 Like, everyone's, like, I don't know how you justify, like, writing, like, a three-page. Because I get them all the time. Where it's like, well, see, in my perspective, like, and you're really not factoring this. It's like, okay, I understand you're passionate. You might even have some good points. But, like, this is not an appropriate space to, like, have an argument to a video. like message me on discord i had someone do that that sent me a 20 minute unlisted video of like their complaints against like from soft and why they're an evil company i was like

Starting point is 01:53:38 you're insane um but i respect it i respect the hustle there but yeah it's like first off really pissed bro you're fucking retarded i got some beef to send a how long was the video uh probably the video he made yeah it's 20 minutes and that was on top of the like the wall of text of information on how Frumsoft was like the worst company ever. I was like, this is just wrong. Like, I can't even respond to this. What, Frumsoft, which one are they? Oh, Garsels. Oh, I mean, Armourgoy.

Starting point is 01:54:09 Yeah, Sechio. Makes sense. I never really, I never got into those. Like, I understand how people could, but like, it's just never been my thing. That's fair. I see how we just did that where we have a difference of a video? Yeah, no, what? No, kids. Yeah. Oh, anyways, fuck you guys. Grabbers tick and twisted.

Starting point is 01:54:25 Yeah. Grab his dick. Twist it. That dead one. what that's not that dead what is going to be your merch from us oh dude dead what side trail side trail on merch i want to make a shirt so bad um i was at the gym i had this like dumb idea that came to my head this is where she cut me off at any point i want to make a shirt that's like anyway what are you up to go yeah go have one the word's like yeah it's not if this is not the time but like the idea of like uh those like old trucker shirts where it's like i'm a grandpa

Starting point is 01:54:57 but it's like you couldn't handle my Instagram algorithm and it's got like a car crash like a censored like racism a censored thing that like amorphous and like I got in a divorce I got in a divorce with my ex-wife

Starting point is 01:55:11 because I blew my balls off at the cracker barrel with my 45 like June 23rd in March and I'm born on it's just like some like advertised I love those shirts anyways I have no idea how I got on to that what I did no before that cyberpunk

Starting point is 01:55:27 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Cyberpunk. There you go. Yeah, no, I honestly, I enjoyed it when it came out because, like, my PC, I had just got a new PC, and so I get ran, I had no bugs. Like, I had a bugless experience in Cyberpunk the first time I played it. I also did, too. Really? Okay.

Starting point is 01:55:42 I had a, really, um, I would have known that if I watched your video. It's funny if, uh, well, yeah, I even made, like, an explicit statement in that video three minutes in that said, like, I'm not even going to talk about the bugs in the game. I don't even care about that. It's not about the performance Because I played the game I had a 2070 Super at the time Which I think was like decent

Starting point is 01:56:03 Yeah And I ran it and like I had problems But it was nothing game breaking For people on console That's a whole different story Like the fact that they had like Pulled the game off

Starting point is 01:56:12 Because it was like so bad They pulled it off of a PlayStation Yeah they pulled it off of like most stores Did they make it for the PS3 And that was one of the biggest But then they also To five I think it Was it four or five?

Starting point is 01:56:25 I don't remember I think it was, hey, we're going to make it for the system. Uh-oh, the system made it a really big... They didn't optimize it well, and they knew it. Like, they released it. They were like, this is not ready

Starting point is 01:56:36 because they've got some forces there to, like... Which now... Then started the CD Project Red Apology Tour afterward, where they're like... They spent the next couple of years fixing their game. Which is where, like, Phantom Liberty was a... I cannot express how much...

Starting point is 01:56:50 I mean, this is the most... We talk games on Unsub in a long time, but... I know. It's been a while. Phantom Liberty was a reboot of cyberpock. Like it changed. It wasn't just a DLC

Starting point is 01:57:00 like most DLCs are. It went back and I think it changed like the gameplay like so many ways. Dramatically. Like the entire skill tree was completely revamped

Starting point is 01:57:06 like it was an entirely different player experience the entire way through. I'm still so shocked that you enjoyed that game as much as you did. Like I'll kind of go into why but I like the story.

Starting point is 01:57:17 Like the story I think was really good in my opinion. That's funny because I hated the story. Really. That's why I was like the entire video was specifically me just being like I think this is like

Starting point is 01:57:26 I probably didn't word it as eloquently. I'll be honest. I'll take the L in that. I was probably like, this is the word. I'm like, I should have been more like, to me,

Starting point is 01:57:33 this is not a well-written story in the way that it should have been. And I'd love to kind of hear your feedback. I've kind of forgotten most of it, to be honest, but I love sci-fi. I'm a huge sci-fi guy. I like that stuff.

Starting point is 01:57:44 I think it's a huge kind of like cancer in sci-fi when everything is just like this nihilistic, like, oh, dude, in the end, it doesn't even matter. Like, there's nothing they do you. Park. Oh, isn't it so crazy how like this one super corp, bro. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:58:00 Oh, God. Jesus. What's just picked up on me. What's what? Just like a dead Chester Joe. They just, what? The Benning team, they just made a new album, right? It's probably fine.

Starting point is 01:58:14 I don't know what you guys are talking about. Anyway, so we're fine. Wellness check? Yeah, just in case. Oh, God. Well. that's when I love this group of boys specific sci-fi universes are you thinking about there at all but like he was talking about like cyberpunk and like how it's just like so

Starting point is 01:58:39 dystopian he like it's kind of like his not or like you said it was like a scourge on the sci-fi genre I think there's a lot of stuff in sci-fi where they set up these beautiful worlds like I think cyberpunk is a good game gameplay wise I think there's a lot of good things there the the world is beautiful. I love looking around it, I love driving around in it. I think it's such a crime that the story of the game,

Starting point is 01:59:01 at least when I played it, was just this neutered, like, nothing matters. You're this like generic, like a douchebag guy who has like, no, it can't really like make him any different than like what he's a real world to be. And in the end,

Starting point is 01:59:15 like you're stuck fighting this company that is this like you can't, the one thing you cannot do in cyberpunk is take down Arasaka. And the whole game is about like, We got to take down Arisaka. It's like, geez, I wonder if that's going to work. And then, can I say spoilers on a game at six years old?

Starting point is 01:59:31 I mean, like, you kind of, you kind of don't. Like, they're all pretty, like, bummer endings. And it's like, to me, I much rather get invested in the people in the world there and just see, like, there's so many stories. And I think, I think Phantom Liberty did a great job of this. If you see the anime? Yeah, I love it. Anime cleared the story of the base game. I actually agree.

Starting point is 01:59:51 I agree with that clearly. Cleared it. The idea of, like, having, like, oh, yeah. you can like put in cyber modification to your body but if you do it too much you go fucking nuts and finding that balance of like how far can you push yourself and like lose your humanity and like lose your like sanity

Starting point is 02:00:03 cyber psychosis and like the risk and like the story of theirs like they have such a good risk reward and a storytelling like there's so much tension what does it say about the world like you could extrapolate a million different directions and cyberpunk was like nah let me make that a footnote

Starting point is 02:00:15 and just be like it felt like a safe company being like what's make an edgy game about taking out a company without like really giving it balls to me. That's what I felt. I'm curious to hear if you're like...

Starting point is 02:00:29 I agree with your take completely about edge runners. I'm not a big anime guy. Like, I just never got the bug. I'm not a huge. Loved it. As soon as I got two episodes in, I'm like, man, one of these days, Eli's going to follow my advice

Starting point is 02:00:39 and actually watch it because it's really good. I'm like two episodes, three episodes in. I just got to finish it. I'm a piece of shit. Usually I have no problem watching anime. I'll love Brandon talk. You put it on your list? I am making.

Starting point is 02:00:49 I'm putting it on the list right. All right. All right. Brandon has like six minutes. And then we'll have to continue the podcast without Mr. Brandon because he has to save the world. I've got, oh, I'm sorry to hear. Unfortunately, like meetings and shit.

Starting point is 02:00:59 Yeah, sure, I know. I know. So, all good. Anyway, I agree with your take on Ed Runners. I think the story was probably superior. I didn't mind the aesthetic because so many of the elements of like the cyberpunk universe, to me strike a parody court where it's like it's satirizing this nihilistic future universe. You tell it with satire?

Starting point is 02:01:20 It kind of feels like satire in the same way a little bit. Yeah, I can kind of see it. It is kind of like on the nose. It feels like that in the same way that Starship Troopers is. To a lesser degree. Yeah. It's like a darker Star Trekers. I'm just going to limit myself to that.

Starting point is 02:01:34 I think there is a bit of parody in there. Like the goofy like cart, like the advertisements at the GTA type things. Or like there is a bit of like we know what we're doing in this world. It just felt to me that like I hear that to a degree. It just felt like you play the game was advertised as an RPG where it's like you can be anything. you can be anything you have life choices which I thought was like brilliant like you have the corporate life choice you can choose like the street wrath the street rat you can choose whatever the other third one is like good like corporo street rat a twist streamer or something

Starting point is 02:02:07 I don't know what's up guys but that was a huge like because you like it didn't really it didn't do anything like at all and I remember being like all they had I made this point in the video where it's like imagine a game like this where you choose the corporate lifestyle and now you have to masquerade as someone in the company and balance this double agent lifestyle like okay i'm like trying to fight the company do all these other things i'm not like i don't know shit about video game writing it's hard to do but like imagine like having to balance that with like oh you have to build trust with the company too and like maybe that puts pressure on your relationships outside of it i've done multiple

Starting point is 02:02:41 playthroughs now because like this was like my comfort game for a while right i've done multiple playthroughs and it does change things to that degree a little bit not in a way that like largely affects the game but there's one mission where you have to go in like erasaka corporate and like go fuck up a bunch of their shit. And, like, if you, if you are a Corpo, there's just a dialogue auction, which is basically like, I'm a contractor, let me in. See, I like that shit. Like, you completely skip one of the bigger fights of the game.

Starting point is 02:03:06 There are, like, to the games, there are a couple moments like that where there is, like, you do have, like, a unique thing. A dialogue there. I would just love to see that. I think the game, if you realize, the game was like, people, people forget this. Superpunk was one of the most hype games in the history of the gaming industry. Before, like, 2000, like, before which are three, the idea. where they came that trailer for

Starting point is 02:03:24 Hyperpunk 3. I sat beside Doug Bowser at E3, 2018 and watched the trailer for it. Or Keanu walked out after. I didn't get to see that part. This is right after that one. There was all like the mantis blades come out. I think that one check. That's just like, it's like a slow-mo thing. The OG trailer. Yeah. It was so cool.

Starting point is 02:03:41 Like, it was like Witcher 3 in the future was like for context, though. How'd the audience go for you though? Like, it was pretty great. So they did like that initial show. I wasn't invited to that one, but they did like an after one where Keani wasn't there, but we saw the same thing. It was really cool. Yeah, I'm sitting next to this guy and all these nerds keep asking

Starting point is 02:03:58 them for pictures. And I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? And then I finally asked him, I'm like, who's this fucking guy? They're like, oh, that's Doug Bowser, the president of Nintendo USA. You're just sitting next to the fucking. I was sitting there the whole time drinking a beer, talking shit about everything.

Starting point is 02:04:14 Nintendo sucks, dude. This Mario card shit, gay. Imagine charging like 90 bucks from Mario card. Imagine not having any backwards. You actually were the one that gave him the idea.

Starting point is 02:04:28 You're right. 90 bucks. It sounds pretty good. Hey, you know those licensing agreement, nobody reads those. You can pull whatever in that shit. No shit.

Starting point is 02:04:38 They don't actually own the console. Yeah, we can brick it. This is a great idea. You were trying to say something before you had to run, though. Oh, yeah. Just the, I think that's part of the context of why I enjoyed

Starting point is 02:04:49 cyberpunk so much. I didn't have any hype. to it. I had no clue this game was even coming out. I think that definitely makes it easier to enjoy because this game was like everyone was like we just want Skyrim but in the future like Grand Theftada style like this is

Starting point is 02:05:04 the game like 10 years this game has been hyped up to like and like godly none of that. I was told like hey this is a big game you should download it and I'm like all right. I think that's actually a great argument for a lot of games that don't live up to the hype of the franchise where it's like this is a great X game as a this franchise game

Starting point is 02:05:20 it doesn't live up to the others. That would be really hard. I've seen that used against a lot of times. That's actually a really good point because imagine making Expedition 34. Let's just say that's it. That would be such big shoes to fill where you're like, God, I'm upset.

Starting point is 02:05:33 We didn't talk about Expedition 33. I know. Now we could actually talk about it. And Bernie's like, fuck, I want God. I mean, I'm still here tomorrow. There you go. I'm not against it. Just add on to it.

Starting point is 02:05:44 I'm fine with that. I love that game. I know, Brayne, you have to go. I do it to Ron. Sorry, guys. But no, dude, it was a pleasure to talk to you. Brandon. We'll have to hang for.

Starting point is 02:05:52 He's here for two more days. Oh, I'll see you around. Love you. Love you, bud. Good luck at whatever, you know. Saving the world. Back alley.

Starting point is 02:05:59 Glory hole you're at? Yeah. Good luck. What a man does in the comfort. I still have 20 bucks. I got 20 bucks on me, so I'll see you around. Oh. I'm just picturing.

Starting point is 02:06:08 He just winked at me. The glory hole after, after they're finished, Brandon pushes a vote for Brandon shirt through. That's my. That's my screen. That's why the campaign's doing so well. That makes so much more sense. I'm sorry, Brandon.

Starting point is 02:06:26 My brain. I went to directing. That's a funny beat. On this episode, the boys lose the run for calling. For Brandon. And it's all our fault every time. Brandon's friends,

Starting point is 02:06:40 fuck up his future again. Every time. We're really good. I feel like they're like this. I know I'm not like endorsing or anything like politics. whatever but I see I do think like having having something like this where you're like you are a person on the internet like resonates with people I'm like I wish this is more of a commonality thing where it's like it's not this like I we've we've set out a list of like 32

Starting point is 02:07:02 talking points we're going to hit all these and then edit the ones we don't like fuck like just be a person it's not that hard like again when we're doing this stuff it is like hey let's get some like we have some just in case we start of course that little but past that I know here's a topic and I know that it's going to flow like Cody's going to have opinions Brandon's going to have opinions of opinions guess what have opinions or we'll make jokes

Starting point is 02:07:28 and we'll go on off side tensions we'll have fun everyone will laugh boom boom boom boom boom boom versus edit edit edit edit yeah I wonder how many politicians could have a decent podcast you know there's

Starting point is 02:07:42 I don't think I don't think I don't think I don't think of you know you're not See, buddy I'm right with my god I'm really All right Love you

Starting point is 02:07:57 I was great What a pleasure It is something It's like a politician If they just acted real I don't know if Brandon talked about it But even when they were giving him They were trying to coach him

Starting point is 02:08:09 On how to talk to a camera Or on a podium Oh God, yeah Dude And they're like You're using your hands too much yo 90% of communication is non-verbal yeah you want to communicate this is how we fucking talk I want you to sit here and talk like this and just look into the camera

Starting point is 02:08:30 why Cody that is a very good point I don't know this oh Liam how is your wife doing My wife is Hold on My wife is doing Not dead Congratulations I did not be her I did not

Starting point is 02:08:55 I did not hit her Where's the tell That dumb bitch You guys were feeding me Where is where's the line Where's the line That's the line The one who had it coming

Starting point is 02:09:05 Fucking Liam It was a video game I swear She had it coming You see what she's wearing Oh God It's just all these lists Those things on that bash up

Starting point is 02:09:17 Oh my god Every bad joke just comes back In some fucking combo We're gonna make that shirt Two weeks from now on Bunker Branding We'll make money from it It's gonna have your face

Starting point is 02:09:31 I don't consent unless it's 10% Just a little Just a little something We do it Bit and shake Dude Have you ever played so Cody's big into

Starting point is 02:09:42 I mean FPSs is but indie games too you are one of the largest indie game players outside of yeah i'll suggest them you'll suggest some we'll do like vampire survivor you ever played that actually have not dude it's it's hard i feel like indie games it's tough to find um on the basis of of reviews it's kind of hard to find like the good ones and the bad ones because on steam like any small game has like overwhelmingly positive if it just has like a couple hundred positive things so it's like kind of tricky to navigate like that's the winner or like i can't tell you time someone has been

Starting point is 02:10:15 been like, dude, you gotta play this game. This game's so good. I'm like, okay, I'd play it. I'm like, that was nothing. And I talked to other people like, yeah, wasn't that great. I'm like, how the fuck does it have a perfect rating then? It was like the cat game you were talking about.

Starting point is 02:10:25 There was a stray was decent. That was a different thing. But, like, I played a game called Rat Shaker. It was like a horror game where like your shake rat. It's funny for like half an hour. Kayla Francis was telling me about that. Yeah, it's a funny game. He said it's funny as fun as funny as hell.

Starting point is 02:10:37 It's super, it's called rat shaker. You just like shake this rat and it like talks to you. And it was funny for like 10 minutes. And then they, like, added on this, like, horror story that had nothing to do with the rat. And I was like, here's a joke now I'm going to build. Yeah, it was like, you are, like, you wrote a fourth grade essay and, like, you're late to class. And you got to turn this end. Which, again, it's hard of making a game.

Starting point is 02:10:57 Like, there's so many, I'm not trying to, like, say this, like, this game sucks. Like, it was a good experience. But, like, it's not, it's not what people make it out to be sometimes. And especially when it's, like, a younger audience or something that, like, it's their first horror game. You get a lot of skewed reviews where people, say like this thing is like so good you have no idea and they're like oh it's just five nights at freddies like this is not okay like and that's you know it's it's hard to navigate you get vampire survivor i played that when i was like oh i think cody will really enjoy this i have my

Starting point is 02:11:29 baselines where in my head if it gets me hooked and it's simple and i'm very big right now and hey can i just hop into this have mindless fun and then check out yeah right after and vampire survivor dude i was like okay anything can run this this is a flas cody min max the shit out of that game he was like i uh have this many hours here's everything uh and i introduced it on jesus christ dude what the fuck what yeah i mean every that was like you explaining claire obscured to me you're like oh you got to check up this game by the way i just did

Starting point is 02:12:04 47 million damage uh with this like these like 38000 combinations and i don't get overwhelmed though i'm like okay cool here like how do I Perry you're like you have like your 20,000 setups right

Starting point is 02:12:17 yeah you told me it's just a chill game it is a chill game but I don't know I got into it so much I put 530 hours into it and I'm like making builds on it on like like you said

Starting point is 02:12:28 min maxing the whole game now and this is Cody explain vampire survivor it's just a 2D pixel game but over the top view you just have weapons that you choose at the first and you walk around

Starting point is 02:12:40 and things come from all directions Is it like isometric where it's like a fake 3D or like it's not quite 2D? Kind of slur. I need to see like a picture. I'll show you. I do love talking about games I've never played and shitting on and we're praising. I'm like, I do it on stream all the time. I'm like, what are your opinions on this game?

Starting point is 02:12:56 I'm like, I'll tell you. Never played it. Oh, I have seen this. I've seen this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a bullet hell. Dude, it is the funest. It's kind of got, it has a little bit of that.

Starting point is 02:13:10 Is it a rogue like? Yep. Yeah. Okay. So it has a binding of Isaac sort of maybe like progression system. You have your 30 minutes, right? You have to survive for 30 minutes. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:13:20 And then death comes. And then there's, you're building up new characters with gold. You buy and power-ups and exploring the maps, new maps unlock more maps. And the maps have secrets, but the maps are like these massive randomly generated. They're massive. Yeah. And they're random, right? So you never know what you're getting into?

Starting point is 02:13:36 Exactly. And then you, uh, some might be, oh, you only can go up and down, like the castle. some are oh you only can go left and right but the creatures start pouring out and then the individuals you use your main characters their talents completely shift to what they do or how you start with it and then the combination system you get with

Starting point is 02:13:57 oh this item and this item actually make a super item so you start stacking learning and it's $2, $5? Something like that I would happily pay $100 for this experience So, yes, 100%. I'll put 530 hours into it. Like, you can do it on, it's optimized for Steam Deck, too.

Starting point is 02:14:16 It's like, when we fly, it's all single player. I love, dude. I just be on an airplane. There's not enough. There's not enough just, like, games you can just pick up and play and put down without having to, like, do this whole ritual of like, I got to get into it. Then, like, where am I? Like, where am I want to come back to it?

Starting point is 02:14:32 Like, did you ever play Hades? I never played 80s. What the fuck? Oh, you love it, dude. He guys got me adding so much shit to my list to it. He's has arguably, like, one of those. best games I think I've played in the last few years.

Starting point is 02:14:43 That is such a skill. The guy who did the voice acting for the main character also made the music. It's so good. It's like the metal thing in the final stage. I didn't know he was.

Starting point is 02:14:52 Oh yeah, Darren Corb. Yeah. Fantastic artist. The visuals. It's so beautiful. And they tie it into all this Greek mythology

Starting point is 02:14:58 so well. The dialogue is so great. That's just like a treat in and of itself is when you get a little bit like the lore of what's going on. There's a lot of the It's so well done.

Starting point is 02:15:09 Fuck. was another game like Hades that was a super Nintendo style more pixelated Metroid? No it was a slash you dash around Hyperlight Drifter yes that was so good

Starting point is 02:15:24 I loved Hyperlight Drifter I've heard of that one I would say I would say play Hades first Hyperlight is it's a little bit more like I would say not as in depth Hades is a rogue light where you like you get to build all your powers over time and it gets really really fun

Starting point is 02:15:38 I think Hyperlight is more of just like It's sort of got that like Zelda Metroidvania we just sort of explore stuff The music, the environments were so beautiful Like I got chills I got chills watching the intro of Hyperlight Drifter Like the intro cut scene where like the monoliths pop up And like the skillty

Starting point is 02:15:56 I'm like, whoa Did you buy the Collector's Edition? No It comes to the S&ES cartridge Like what? Yes Can you actually play it on? Dude is the most gangster collector's edition

Starting point is 02:16:08 they had was hyperlight drifter How are they not sued to oblivion by Nintendo on that? Here, let me... That is crazy. I had no idea. That's an old game. I played that back in like 2014,

Starting point is 02:16:22 I think. And the coloring, the artwork, bro. Yeah, it's beautiful. Oh, it's got the blue case too. Yeah, I remember seeing... Oh, that's cool. I think I told you. I was like, hey, you should get this.

Starting point is 02:16:35 The art style alone in the game is breathtaking. is so well done with the pixel art. I love pixel art stuff like that. It kind of lesses more and it makes your imagination fill in the gaps and what they do with the scale and the perspective and that game is so great. And the gameplay's fun too. It's so rare. I've said this before.

Starting point is 02:16:50 It's so rare to get a game where you have art style. You have the presentation and the graphics and the music all together in one thing. Like normally one of those suffers. Like games as an art form is it's really hard to pull off because like it is a game after all. So it's like I've seen beautiful, beautiful releases. Like I don't want to play it though. Like, my dopamine receptors are not that functional.

Starting point is 02:17:11 Neota. Noita. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one we haven't played. That's the, uh, that's, uh, that's a game you can lose yourself to. I'm trying to search all this up as you guys are talking about. Oh, dude. You know, Cody, what are your, your OG games?

Starting point is 02:17:26 Dude, some of the audience, this episode is either going to do really good. Or are people like, do I was prepared to say at the, like, welcome, mail you're like, welcome to the most unviewed video and upsub on sub. I can't even say that. I love this. This is this shit. We haven't talked about so long. So it's just fun and refreshing.

Starting point is 02:17:44 I've seen some of the podcasts and like I've seen you guys talk. It's like, oh, we brought on this like crazy ex-military like Navy SEAL who did like 36,000 tours in like countries you don't even know exists. And I'm like I. I play video games. But I'm really knowledgeable. We do too. Am I? This is a good break in between those periods.

Starting point is 02:18:04 Yeah. When we bring on super Delta soldier men. seal yeah it's like great you killed Osama awesome tell me about the indie games yeah tell me about this can respond so I can watch that one now that sounds way cool

Starting point is 02:18:17 than this you're like fuck don't leave please don't leave you play like right now what are your three you're playing they just had an update on one game and you started talking to the owner the creator of it oh god

Starting point is 02:18:33 I don't know the farm was it the farming one Oh, you're talking about Stardue Valley? That's a classic. I've been putting so many hours in the Stardu Valley. Stardie's fantastic. Because it's an easy one to sit down with my fiancé, and it's on every platform. So we put it on the PS5, and we'll sit there and just have our little farm split screen,

Starting point is 02:18:53 and it's like the chillest fucking night. But that, I'm getting back into WOW. You're actually playing Wow? I did not know that. I've been kind of dabbling in it. Retail was ass, but I'm going to do, I'm starting a hard, Hardcore classic character to play on there. That would be fun.

Starting point is 02:19:10 Have you seen the hardcore mode they have now? I mean, you know, it's just like old Diablo hardcore. Your character dies is fucking dead. That's wild for an MMO to do a hardcore run is insane, especially when you grew up in like OG Vanilla Wow or EverQuest days. Like those games were brutal. EverQuest. Shut, I'm out of mana. Brut.

Starting point is 02:19:31 Dude. Dude. My ferret was out of mana. That guy right there is. he can watch a streamer kill his entire career and still double down. It's insane. You know what we're talking about?

Starting point is 02:19:44 Pirate Software. Oh, yeah. Yeah. His wild blades. He didn't he, he made a big decision to fuck his team over when they were doing a raid. And then he made, it was a series of like bad decisions and then like he tried to like kind of defer

Starting point is 02:20:01 as like nothing. And then when people called him out instead of him being like, oh yeah, this is clearly like the like, it's like oh shit. my bad like I should have seen this he just like doubled down like there was just zero and then people like he kept doing it it was this continued exercise a continued lapse of judgment where like he just never took accountability for every anything ever and he kept doing it over and over and over people like what is wrong with this guy he cannot like take an l and he's making his own game and all this stuff which i'm sure there's a lot of work at the same time it's like dude people

Starting point is 02:20:32 are like calling out on bullshit on his own game calling him out on bullshit over here it's like valid bullshit like people are seeing some like salesons pop up and instead of being like yeah I could have handled that one better it's just like no you're insane for thinking that and here's some like warped logic I'm like why if people like this does not make sense like what is wrong with you is this crazy fall off he had a therapist like a psychologist like a doctor k video a psychologist and him actually were on a live stream together and the psychologist starts breaking it down he's like I just here tell me this statement. And so he gives his statement of, what was it? Oh, I, if somebody's wrong,

Starting point is 02:21:12 it's, I just have to explain it better. Yeah. I just have to explain it. Well, that, it's hard, it's hard a word. It's hard a word to say like exactly what he said, but basically the concept was like, he cannot mentalize how other people perceive him. So when he makes decisions, he's doing it because of like some, you know, he's like very factual logic. He's like, okay, if I'm doing something, it's because of these reasons. So if I'm doing something wrong, it's because you don't understand my reasons as opposed to like well actually maybe you're not taking in the bigger picture and he genuinely could not comprehend it and it was this like we had like the very qualified therapist like walking him through empathetically through the steps with kindness and like being

Starting point is 02:21:48 like hey like let's try a different exercise here and like it was this this like oh my god this is narcissism makes it even know if it's narcissism or it's like you just lack inability because narcissism is a lot of like you have you have like you can't see blind spots you can't understand things that you don't you can't see outside yourself and it's like this might just be like I don't want to see disorder but like it's just like as it is he can't mentalize how other people can perceive what he's saying as as like and correct or wrong to the degree of losing 700,000 subs I don't even know the number now but it is 700,000 subs and you're still like no I'm right the language he uses though it's like anytime someone calls him out and something

Starting point is 02:22:26 it's like hey and like people would do it kindly be like hey you know I think you know in fairness somebody is saying this I think he'd be like try that's insane and like ban him all this stuff to the point where he would make video saying like if you disagree with me this this like harassment is like costing me my employees like you're going to kill my ferrets he says a ferret rescue which is cool he does some cool stuff he has a ferret rescue he has like a team of all the stuff he's like you're going to cost me my employees so I'm not even going to like engage the argument and it's like dude like understand how you're being perceived on this like it looks horrible you're putting you're like using all these things as a deflection mechanisms

Starting point is 02:23:01 instead of like taking accountability and be like maybe I could have worded this better I'm sorry let me let me try to like work this out and multiple people have brought up they're like dude if you just apologize or said hey like I fucked up that's all it would take in a all this would go away or a majority would go away and then he doubles down triples down quadruples down it's not even just like saying sorry because I understand the idea of like maybe someone calls you out and you don't want to apologize but it's like people have like you have made obvious mistakes like they accountability need to be taken and there's like a lack of accountability on all of it. It's like, you're not even like, oh, your patrons are like won your game up by a certain thing. You're not even being like, yeah, I'm sorry it's taking so long. I'm going to work to get it done. Here's the timeline or whatever. Or maybe I'm late in the timeline.

Starting point is 02:23:42 It's like, no, Chad, here's the reason why it's late. And it's not my fault. It's just like I had this thing that came up. I had COVID for like eight months. I never talked about. What? Like you just said you didn't in this other thing. It's like it's this whole measm of anyways.

Starting point is 02:23:54 It's insane. I haven't gotten into the lore. I've been seen it all over Twitter, but I haven't really gotten into the law. It's one of those things where you're like, dude, you're costing yourself hundreds of thousands of dollars every single month that you double down. And you're doubling down on stuff where it is, man, what was the one? I never bring up that I worked at Blizzard. And then that montage of him like, his dad, like, his dad worked there and he, yeah, or something like that. Because I talk about on stream a lot, right?

Starting point is 02:24:26 I make this parallel where it's like, I always mentioned like, oh, touring life, drumming. And it's like, every time I do it, I always roll my eyes. like oh like when I was a drummer back on tour and it's like it gets annoying to the point but like there's still like a story I want to tell he would just be like I worked at blizzard here's why everything I did is like genius it's like well okay I think you're you have some credit you may have some accreditation there you are you are overdrawn on all this experience but he talks as if like there is the only way to do it and it's his way and so many people have come out and be like oh my god working with him was just like x y and z and all the stuff

Starting point is 02:24:57 and it's just like yeah it's this whole thing you're not familiar with the drama so it's like I don't want to, yeah, like, it and date you with it, but anyways, a wow, hardcore account looks really cool. Yeah, I like that. Definitely, definitely stream it and then, like, intentionally make some really stupid mistakes and then blame everyone in your party, you'll go viral, dude. Hell yeah. That could be the move.

Starting point is 02:25:18 Could be the move. How far are you? I'm not, I'm not too far yet. I'm trying to figure out what character I would want to do because I want to stream it. Because I grew up on classic while. I played at the first, yeah, I played at the first week of release. Like, I was one. I was, like, ranked 11 or 12 on PVP back then.

Starting point is 02:25:35 Like, I was nasty in a while. Almost felt high school because of that shit. So many people have stories of, like, wow and runescape almost ruined their life. Yeah, yeah, completely. I was obsessed with that shit. Yeah. I came from, like, the, oh, sorry. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 02:25:47 I came from, like, the family that was, like, wow is from the devil. Like, so was Harry Potter and all that stuff. I just like, wow, I kind of get Harry Potter. That's a bit of a reach. Pokemon. All right, now we're just kind of making stuff up here. But shout out to my dad. You guys are the best.

Starting point is 02:26:03 I had the same thing when my, when I was around like 12, 13 years old, my mom found some magic the gathering cards I had. And like they were super, super heavily into Southern Baptist. They sent you like right off to like gay conversion. They tried to. Yeah. That's that. They don't bring the cards.

Starting point is 02:26:20 It's like, he's gay. He's playing magic. Where did we fail? I just remember my mom crying because she found. magic cards. He was like, the preacher says they're evil. Preachers just cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars. These are worth so much

Starting point is 02:26:38 money now. It's rated 10, mom. You just ripped it in half. No shit. How much is it worth? Okay. No shit. Like, I'm 38. I'm about to turn 38. Like, that was back when first edition alphas were around and I had some pretty fucking good magic cards, but those went into the trash.

Starting point is 02:26:54 We all have our, we all have our Miss the Boats moment financially. I will give Jared's Sorry to here Oh that's Binder dude Our buddy Jared

Starting point is 02:27:05 They do Time for Pie And I was like Do not post that on the internet Make sure you do like multiple videos On that before you You announce that Because holy fuck dude

Starting point is 02:27:17 He's like what He had a binder from his childhood That was upstairs He went home Found it Open it It's all first edition Pokemon cards

Starting point is 02:27:28 Charzards It's like pristine. Found like a Bitcoin wallet in there too. Basically. Yeah. And they were like in perfect shape. And I was telling him, I was like, brother, you have, dear God, those are. You've got nothing.

Starting point is 02:27:43 It's actually worth nothing. I'll just take it off your hands. That's what he says. Like, thank God that Eli's a good friend. Otherwise, it'd be like, hey, I got like 300 bucks. Yeah, I guess I'll take it for 10 bucks. Oh my goodness. And I was like explaining.

Starting point is 02:27:56 I was like, dude, those are in. Is it in a good condition? It's hard to tell from the photo. Oh, dude. I'm imagining it's a flawless edge. Like the perfect corners. I don't know like that much about Pokemon cards. I'll be honest.

Starting point is 02:28:06 So there's at minimum $250,000. Yeah. And that's what's crazy. He has like shadowless Pikachu or shadowless Charzard. Yeah. In great condition. And still, it never been touched since 98 or 99 when they were opened. Just like me.

Starting point is 02:28:26 I've never been ruined. I mean, open. 95 is when I miss my uncle. Uncle Tom. He was such a nice guy. Loved playing Pokemon with me. Cody's big games are what we were saying, wow. And then what are the other ones you're playing right now?

Starting point is 02:28:51 You have your rotate. Yeah, I know. I've been streaming so much lately. I haven't been playing very much. stream more like police work right yeah yeah yeah I can't do shootings on like twitch yeah yeah yeah just like dumb bitches getting arrested to the beach with bikini zone and you do the thing where like you try to like analyze it right you try to yeah I'm not just sitting there like yeah it's like yeah I try to bring it down from the cost respect I feel like all

Starting point is 02:29:16 that stuff gets so heated so fast where it's like people see one clip and it's like oh I can't believe it's like it's probably there's a back story a lot of this some of that maybe there's not but like some it's like you don't need to see officer like shooting like a puppy sometimes but like most of those aren't that like typically bro okay video games half sword i've been playing that on street that's the one oh i think i've heard of this i'll like break up some of the the police content with just jumping on a half sword game and you're just this little rag doll dude with medieval weaponry against other ragdoll dudes and it's hard as shit to control like control all the stuff i feel like i have or left mouse button is like left hand right mouse button is right

Starting point is 02:29:54 hand but then you like got to swing your mouse like the direction of the oh you have to like that's kind of fun. It's like a quop game or something. Yeah, it's so fucking. It's, it's quop, but with medieval weaponry. Half sword, dude, quop. I'm not thought of, getting over it. That's like a, that's a blast

Starting point is 02:30:08 from the past. Getting over it. Sorry, I got to see what this is. Oh, yeah, yeah. So that is clicking or you have to so that's, he's holding down both mouse buttons to use his fist, but he's doing this

Starting point is 02:30:26 to make his body do he's doing this a lot he's he's doing this and it thrusts and then yeah i've gotten really fucking good at it because it's about spacing did you ever play uh did you ever play for honor i don't know if that was like because that's kind of like that's kind of like that's sort of like rock paper scissors but like medium high low blocking swords does that have a still a large player base i don't know i think it i think it kind of was a a bit of a flash in the pan and then like it sort of murmured out it was a fun idea i don't think they they it's it's you be Like going through like the whole

Starting point is 02:31:00 Ubisoft launcher right there is like Fuck You only play through this Cody you like this is rock paper scissors And the I mean You have to Let's say you go do a move

Starting point is 02:31:12 I have one second less To react to it by seeing Yeah it's like sword fighting But like you have to choose like stances Like high medium low And like the angle of your swipe You can parry you can block Do you like jump?

Starting point is 02:31:24 You do duck It's pretty cool actually I think it's one of Ubisoft's like Better titles recently um low bar but you know low bar i know um kingdom come deliverance too came out recently and that's kind of like medieval that was i heard pretty good uh it was weird watching streamers play because like everyone in that game had like a low taper fade i don't if you saw that like all the hair it was just weird i'm like why did they all look like on god on god for real for real

Starting point is 02:31:49 i was like what oh they do it was a cool game though it looked cool i just looked like a bit of a Chor Simulator. And it's like, oh, I grabbed the beans and, like, walk them over to the, like,

Starting point is 02:32:01 I don't know. It didn't seem super exciting. Like, I know you guys are like Red Dead fans. I could not get into Red Dead. Well, I mean,

Starting point is 02:32:09 I played Red Dead, Brandon did. You have to get past the first mission. Otherwise, it fucking. I got halfway through the game. Oh.

Starting point is 02:32:15 Just putting that out there. I got halfway through. I, I couldn't get through the tutorial. I was so bored. That tutorial killed everyone's about it. The amount.

Starting point is 02:32:25 why I stopped the first time was it why Brandon stopped the first time it was oh I don't know I think it's an amazing game but like the thing is the tutorial is kind of the rest of the game in a lot of ways where it's like the missions are like go here

Starting point is 02:32:40 something goes wrong shoot it out and then it's like you don't really have much options on like how you want to conduct your missions like it does it has an amazing story like a fantastic story but as a game like going through some of the gameplay choices I was just like sitting there on my phone at the time like trying to enjoy it. I'm like, it's not, it's not clicking with me. I've got, I've got, I need,

Starting point is 02:32:59 I need more like stimulus or something going on. It's sky room or fall, what, which one do you like more? Your Skyrim or fallout? Oh, oh, that's a, it's kind of a, dude, he is, that's a hard one. Because I was, I mean, I've always been huge into, into fallout, like New Vegas is probably one of my favorite games of all time. So good, good, good choice. Good choice. Skyrim. You know, I quit Navy Seal School to play, to play Skyrim. Skyrim was, I want to make a full channel video on Skyrim. That's like it's such an insane game

Starting point is 02:33:29 because that was the first, I remember being in like Christian high school like I had to go through like all that all my life and like a sheltered area in the middle of like nowhere'sville in Oregon

Starting point is 02:33:38 and I remember my friend Taylor she like works on a farm all this stuff and we're talking about Skyrim and like she turns over it's like oh yeah I'm like a level 72 like one handed battle mage

Starting point is 02:33:49 and I was like shut the fuck up what you're playing this and I realize like that was the game that like bridged like just kind of like the way fortnight kind of is now like that was the game that's like you had frat bros you had like nerdy dungeon guys that are playing like wow all day like you never see him then you have like it was like it was like the first time everyone in gaming was like we can sit aside our differences and just play some skyrim that game that game that game changed everything and it's a piece of shit and i love it like that is that is so

Starting point is 02:34:18 it it is such a piece of dog shit game and i love it and everyone loves it it's the perfect it's the perfect example of like something being more than some of its parts to create this experience of like I'm picking a direction on a compass I don't know where it's going to take me I'm going to go I'm going to find some cool ass shit I miss that I miss that in a lot of games that's what I loved about MMOs

Starting point is 02:34:38 back in the day there wasn't they weren't data mine to shit so when you were exploring those worlds it was a first time people didn't know jack and shit about dungeons bosses you were going in blind and you were learning it as it it's a shared experience of

Starting point is 02:34:54 of people that aren't just like looking up meta plays on YouTube. It's like, oh, what happened to you when you play it? Oh, that's crazy. I had a different story. You have a different story. Then everyone just like, you just keep playing it. You have these crazy experiences. It's such a fun.

Starting point is 02:35:06 That's why the Dark Souls games, because they were all about like this idea of like, we're all kind of suffering, but on the same page. And everyone's just like sharing tidbits and information and no two stories are alike, even though we're all playing like the same experience. I think it's a beautiful thing when a game can pull that off. Like, yes. I think on that one, I think that's a beautiful note

Starting point is 02:35:25 to move to the after show. That went. Hell yeah. That was two hours and 30 minutes. Okay, cool. That was a long one. I didn't even think it was.

Starting point is 02:35:33 I'm telling you, I can yap. I can yap. We haven't talked about gaming shit and all of us love, I mean, we nerd out about it. We'll game,

Starting point is 02:35:42 you guys game offline, will game offline, depending on what's coming out. It's just something we don't talk about too much. Sure. Because when you talk about all the time it's the same story versus a lot of the same story versus hey breaking it down stories

Starting point is 02:35:57 hey what are you playing hey why are you playing that oh fuck okay there was there was one thing i wanted to bring up um and i'm happy to do like reshoot this at another point or whatever or just talk about it like your own personal thing but uh i really am fascinated with like the change in gaming demographics and like and this is on both sides of like political spectrum what you want to call it of like i remember in 2015 and maybe i'm getting into it now but it's like i remember like the social justice warriors like the easiest like oh my fucking god like the worst way to get anyone to hear you out is to just annoy them to death and like everyone just being like raw on that front line and i feel like i have seen the pendulum and it's swung a couple ways but i feel like

Starting point is 02:36:37 it's almost swung a bit of the other direction where i think a lot of people that are on that used to be on that like front way like yeah fuck this that the other thing like this this messaging is dumb and like you're forcing it down at throats like no one wants it has come the other way around where I feel like there are so many, like, triggered people, like, on the anti-SJW front that, like, do not know how to let certain things go. And I think it's, I think it's been really pervasive in gaming. I'm kind of curious if you've seen that, because I've seen, like, a lot of gaming takes where people are like, I can't believe that there's a black trick in the video game.

Starting point is 02:37:08 It's like, listen, I get that, like, they may be pushing agendas in certain ways, more so than others in other games. But there's also the other side. It's like, you are crying so much about everything that nobody takes you seriously. more. And it's like, it's really kind of a shame to see because I think like, again, that middle zone, I think gamers in a nutshell are like the most insufferable group of people when they're on the internet, like, like, like, arguing. Okay. At least they're arguing over something like maybe important, but these are like,

Starting point is 02:37:37 these are video games and entertainment. And it's like, no, veterans are. It's like, no. They're not at all. Yeah, I feel like, I've seen so much stuff come out where it's like, it's hard, it's hard to like get an accurate take of down, something down the middle. And it's what I wanted the channel to be, to be like, all right, these guys are saying that. These guys are saying this. I think a lot of it's bullshit. But some of this is bullshit too. And we need to call this out because the more you guys keep doing that and like crying wolf, then like no one's going to take it seriously. And then you lose all credibility. Like how many times have you seen like, I remember when a oblivion remake. Did you play the oblivion remake?

Starting point is 02:38:10 Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. It was pretty damn good. Like there's some changes I think that could have been made. But I remember seeing like the front of my feet on Twitter, which I don't follow anyone. I try not to like manipulate it. I want to see like an organic thing of like what people are saying. People were crying uh over like the gender types of saying like it's it's um it's body type one and two and they were like this is so lame like SJW his effect and like I understand the idea of like male female you made a change in the remake but the way they were crying about it was like this is ruining the game boycott the game. I was like this is not the way to have that discussion like no one's going to take you seriously.

Starting point is 02:38:48 it's no difference in like calling somebody they're Nazis it exactly it is exactly same shit you have now downplayed actual true atrocities and dumped it down to somebody didn't agree with you or they wore a maga hat and now that is a Nazi which you're it is that very big spectrum of like there is hey let's pull back that you don't have to go to that degree on calling something out yeah oh my god there's it listens the impact of what what something really is. Like, you're actually taking away from, like, these terrible things

Starting point is 02:39:21 on, like, both extremes by jumping to them so quickly. Like, and then it waters down all meeting. Like, we are at a time where, like, anybody can say anything, but meeting is at, like, an all-time low when it comes to words. And it's like, I think the same thing is happening

Starting point is 02:39:33 with, like, gaming discussion. And then what happens is nothing changes. Yeah. So, like, you don't actually get any improvements. You just end up screaming. And then people who don't agree, because I'm all about, like, again, like, I make, sometimes I make edgy content.

Starting point is 02:39:46 It's not trying to be edgy. But I like reaching across, the aisle and seeing like, oh, someone that doesn't agree with me, why? And then picking that apart and being like, oh, it's actually because they thought I was saying this thing that I wasn't saying. Or maybe I wasn't wording something where I like, I like finding that middle ground and then going from there and being like, all right, so how do we move forward here? And like, how do we actually have some form of like interaction?

Starting point is 02:40:07 And then in the gaming sphere is just like, re, oh my God. Like this is terrible. I think we've seen it with the video game Hollywood where it was this big. swing on how far Disney or whoever was pushing it to get a message across and then you have this is dumb, this is dumb, this is dumb, this is dumb,

Starting point is 02:40:28 you can see it losing money, it's dumb and they're still pushing it and now you have the pendulum swings. And I'm not saying either side is wrong. I'm not saying either side is wrong. Like there is valid, like a lot of valid things that you can point to it. It's like this is done just because they wanted to put it in. But it's like yeah, like it's because that's

Starting point is 02:40:44 what they thought or like maybe this is a, does it detract from the game? sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't and like learning to pick the battles the hills that you die on is an art that most people do not know and then of course everyone on like one side is like oh they're just insane because they're just saying all this crazy shit like they're Nazis and the other side's like they're just a bunch of crime it's like you guys are both like missing the plot i mean cody's content you're the perfect example of you can break down here is the shooting here is why it was justified and still cody is a piece of shit with every fact because who will

Starting point is 02:41:17 call out both sides. If it's a bad shooting, back up, whatever it is, Cota will be the first one to say that. And then vice versa, it's like, no, this is justified. Here's why. Here's all the research, but does not matter on that side. It's like, here's all the research presented to you. What will

Starting point is 02:41:34 you do with that? You're a piece of a Nazi bootlicker. Yeah. Like, yeah. They'll, they'll just, they'll, I think, uh, they'll just go with like whatever bias they want to see reinforced. So it's like, you either say one thing. Yeah, their echo chamber. Yeah, they're echo chamber. It's like,

Starting point is 02:41:47 Oh, yeah, of course this is like justified. Like, thank you for confirming. Or they'd be like, oh, wait, you disagree with me. You're the worst people. Like, you're not, you're not fair. You don't see anything. Typical white former police officer probably gets his wife. It's like, Dunkie made that video about like...

Starting point is 02:42:01 First off, two things can be true. Or whatever. Two things can happen at the same time. I remember Dunkie. Sorry, just real quick. Dunkin made a video about like reviewing games and he made this great saturnization piece where it's like every 10 out of tan every comment section in that video

Starting point is 02:42:20 like IGN would be like excellent review IGN 10 out of 10 it was a masterful game anytime IGN was like this wasn't the best thing ever people like dog shit review you don't know what you're talking about blah blah blah blah blah and it's like you guys don't understand like the gamer space like common sense is like kind of I don't say an all time low

Starting point is 02:42:37 but it is a maybe a bit of a younger demographic or I don't know it's it's tough to navigate so I try to be more of like I think what you do in your cop videos. I try to be more of like the like, let's be gracious to both points of view and maybe have a handshake in the middle. We can agree that like maybe like here's the actual truth of something

Starting point is 02:42:56 because it's hard to find that in the day and age. But you will get shit on for that approach. It is a lot of times it is a lot harder to have that middle approach than to pick this off. Yeah, I get called a fence sitting. Yeah. Which is wild and it's like donut is a fit sitter. You're like, for real?

Starting point is 02:43:15 that is that what that's insane what people like you can't you can't please everyone so oh no that's why you just stop trying and on that beautiful note we'll move to the after show Cody close well first up where do we find you you you can find me uh my address is 332 um Rosegold Street uh Southwest Portland this man just said my a address wait a shit fuck wrong I got the wrong prompt in my headset I'm so sorry you can find me at Liam Manley on YouTube or mainly reviews, so all things will show up, but you can find me on Twitch

Starting point is 02:43:47 if you want to hang out there. If not, that's totally cool too. But I am, I am like beyond thankful for you guys to have, like, have me on. I hope I didn't embarrass myself

Starting point is 02:43:55 too much. And that was, we just fucking hate you now, dude. Cool, awesome, never coming back. Burn to Bridge. And I'm gonna kill him right now.

Starting point is 02:44:01 Branda was like, yeah, five minutes. I got to make something up. Okay, politics. Yeah. Mexico, I got a mowel mow yard. A lot of lawn lawn,

Starting point is 02:44:12 scissors. I don't have the lawnmower anymore. It's got to take a lot of time. Mexican stuff. I hope it was good for you guys. I hope the episode does well. It was an honor to be here. Oh, dude, that was a blast.

Starting point is 02:44:22 And when it goes like to like suck you guys off. But it is cool. That was nice. That was fun. Cody closes out, you beautiful son of bitch. Bye everyone. Thank you for joining the unsubscribe podcast.

Starting point is 02:44:32 I was joined today by Eli Double Tapp. Manly reviews, myself Donald Operator. You can catch us here in a minute on the after show on Patreon. Fuck you. You know my name. Please feel my name You know my name You don't know my name

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