Unsubscribe Podcast - Marine Force Recon Legend & The Medal Of Honor Upgrade | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 238

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Get your Veteran’s Month shirts! https://www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/unsubscribe-podcast LIVE SHOW TICKETS: https://unsubcrew.com/liveshows DRINK ECHELON: https://drinkechelon.com/ Watch this episode ad-free and uncensored on Pepperbox! https://www.pepperbox.tv/ WATCH THE AFTERSHOW & BTS ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/UnsubscribePodcast P.O BOX: Unsubscribe Podcast 17503 La Cantera Pkwy Ste 104 Box 624 San Antonio TX 78257 MERCH: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/collections/unsubscribe-podcast ------------------------------ THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS! TRUE CLASSIC Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at http://trueclassic.com/UNSUB #trueclassicpod PONCHO OUTDOORS Gear up for fall with Poncho, every piece is built for comfort, performance, and lasting style. Go to http://ponchoutdoors.com/unsub and enter your email for $10 off your first order. DRAFT KINGS Download the DraftKings Sports book app and use code UNSUB. That’s code UNSUB, bet five bucks and get 3 months of League Pass plus get $300 in bonus bets if your bet wins. In partnership with Draft Kings — The Crown Is Yours. Gambling problem? Call one eight hundred Gambler. In New York, call eight seven seven eight HOPENY or text HOPENY (four six seven three six nine). In Connecticut, Help is available for problem gambling. Call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven or visit https://www.ccpg.org/ Please play responsibly. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (Kansas). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in Illinois. Twenty-one plus age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must win to receive Bonus Bets which expire in 7 days. Minimum odds required. NBA League Pass auto-renews until cancelled. Additional terms at https://www.dkng.co/audio Limited time offer. GHOSTBED Get an extra 25% off when you use code UNSUBSCRIBE at checkout. Go to http://ghostbed.com/unsubscribe to get started. ------------------------------ UNSUB MERCH: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/unsubscribe-podcast ------------------------------ FOLLOW OUR SOCIALS! Unsubscribe Podcast https://www.instagram.com/unsubscribepodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@unsubscribepodcast https://x.com/unsubscribecast Eli Doubletap https://www.instagram.com/eli_doubletap/ https://x.com/Eli_Doubletap https://www.youtube.com/c/EliDoubletap Brandon Herrera https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonHerrera https://x.com/TheAKGuy https://www.instagram.com/realbrandonherrera Donut Operator https://www.youtube.com/@DonutOperator https://x.com/DonutOperator https://www.instagram.com/donutoperator The Fat Electrician https://www.youtube.com/@the_fat_electrician https://thefatelectrician.com/ https://www.instagram.com/the_fat_electrician https://www.tiktok.com/@the_fat_electrician ------------------------------ unsubscribe pod podcast episode ep unsub funny comedy military army comedian texas podcasts #podcast #comedy #funnypodcast Chapters 0:00 Welcome To Unsub! 6:09 Major Capers’ Military Background 15:20 The Python 22:57 The Panama Jungle 25:50 Force Recon 27:33 Jump School 29:08 Diving School 36:10 Major Capers’ Marriage & Family Life 45:45 Dealing With PTSD After War 53:14 The Medal of Honor Mission 1:03:40 Ask A Marine Campaign 1:16:10 War Stories 1:20:45 The POW Mission 1:27:55 Lap 1:32:00 Major Capers’ Son 1:35:45 Jim’s Books Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Quarman ran over and jumped on me and said, Lieutenant, you've been shot. Say, damn it, Doc, I know that. You know, I'm bleed the hood place. I've read a lot of the stuff your guys have said about you. All lies, all lies. Yeah, right. How many grenades did you end up even from?

I threw 20. We would have got a long in war. I understand that you captured a 20-foot python. Yeah. All right, I'll buy it. This is a Marine. It's in Vietnam, man. In Vietnam, man.

This is. Say hi. To Eli, he's racially ambiguous, Brandon, his hair is fucking fabulous. Dona, a dark joke disposition, and there's a fat electrician. We'll come to unsubscribe. Hey, what is up, everyone? It is our favorite month. It's November, which means we are doing the Veterans Month.

Two new pieces of merch, amazing pieces of merch. We have TBI Fridays. The sun will come out tomorrow, unfortunately. 100% of the profits will go towards nonprofits at the end of the month. That's right. We're donating everything we make off of these at the end of the month to some amazing veteran nonprofit organizations. We are also doing a golden ticket, which we will fly you out to one of the last two live shows

in December. Your choice. That trip and hotel is on us, of course. And we will be giving away some Turtle Beach headsets, the new unsub jump-out side zips. some merch, some pepperbox subscriptions, and some echelon. And anything else you buy on that website, a portion of that will also be going towards these amazing causes. And we're doing the same with echelon.

A portion of any echelon purchased will be going towards those nonprofits. And during Veterans Day month, we are doing an amazing deal with the subscription program, 10% off plus free shipping, and then use code unsubbed to get 10% off of any of your orders on single cases. Got it. You are entered for the Golden Takeout on either site. So go, snack some TBI Fridays, snack some echelon. Let's raise some money and change some lives in the veteran community.

You all ready? Yeah, let me just check this out. You get it first, brother. You get it first. Did you do good? I have one comment. I've had coffee all over the world. This is the best coffee I've ever tasted.

It's worth it. He's trying to steal my wife. He's stealing Sam already. Today on the podcast, we have Mr. Steele your girl. Major steal your girl in the house right now. Major steal your girl goes crazy. Major loves this coffee and that's what he is. I'm going to readjust this and you're good.

Boom. And then we'll start with this countdown. All right. Everyone ready? Ready? Three, two, one. I accidentally popped. I pre-popped.

Nick? It happens. Well, guys, blush the old. I almost said it's kind of conceptual. Oh, you're good. You're good. You got your coffee, brother. All right.

Hi, welcome to the unsubscribe podcast. I'm joined here today by Eli Double Tap, major Jim Capers, Brandon Herrera, and myself, Nick. and today is going to be an awesome episode we have been excited dude we are so we are so let me get this adjusted for you so you're taking care of brother and you just get to have fun in chat okay we have major major gym brother we I told the guys the first time we met in DC I was like oh my god I met one of the coolest humans and holy shit his story is amazing oh I didn't know you guys already met yeah okay that was how yeah gotcha the whole team, after meeting him, it was like, oh, 100%. So when I went down to DC for the Purple Heart, they honored 100 Purple Heart recipients, I believe, right? And then I walked over shaking hands, and then I seen him.

I'm like, holy shit, you got me beat, bro. It's like a stack of, you got three Purple Hearts. Yeah. It should probably be more. Yeah. Oh, dude. Yes. Brandon, do you know his, how in-depth?

Do you know some of his stories? I've seen some of the interviews, but I don't know the full story front to back. So I'm excited to, I'm excited for this episode. Sounds like you've got quite a storied history or a service record, rather. Well, it's good for me to be here. Thank you so much. You and your team coming out. Oh, we unsubbed got in the audience, got you a doorbell.

We got you a little gift. open that thing up brother this is from all of us well it looks pretty good so far let's see what we got in here hope you love boxes yeah Now, Frank said that you just have no watches. Sound like Frank. He said you have trash taste. I think that was his choice of words. Oh, wow.

Hey, sweetheart. Boy, it is a watch. We got you. You figured O.D. Green. You like that color? Yeah. Good. Boy, this is really nice.

That is a, it's a Hamilton. It's a military watch. And one thing from Onside, we would, we always just try to pay our respect to you all for what you are. Well, thank you so much. I'll put this back in here, if you don't mind. Oh, of course. And I want to put it on right now. That's really nice is a much better review for Hamilton than, well, this is a watch.

Put that on their website. Oh, it's upside down. There we see that? That's my niece who just walked in. She's an Air Force veteran. Oh, well, thank you for your service. Dude, the family of veterans. We'll put this.

Okay. Box is out your way. Okay. Because isn't that how you guys first started talking at the Purple Heart thing? Is he made a comment about your watch? Yeah, so it was him and Zach. And then Zach was helping. He's a J-Tac.

And, of course, one degree of separation. then Zach and I were talking he's seen one of the watches he's like best or nice watch we start talking then he's like man you actually watch unsub but you should have a gym on it's like

done and done and then he told me the story because as Zach said he was like this is only do what I know with a confirmed knife kill I was like what I'm like holy shit I was like done we are going to get him on then and then he knew my

buddy Holtz they served together And Holtz is the one I deployed with, and they trained together. And now he helps from time to time help with your guys' team. So I was like, from tiny-ass world. And now we get you the literal poster boy of the Marines and the first African-American to be field commissioned. Holy shit. During Vietnam when field commissions were not normal anymore. after World War II in Korea,

field commissions are not a normal thing and he's still got one. That is wild. Yeah. I was a staff sergeant and all the officers were killed in the first three months. So my colonel called me in his office

and took off my staff sergeant shavans and put on lieutenant bars. And I walked out in the rain and there were some guys out there to salute at me. for the first time it was interesting i bet going from enlisted to that and no osat or anything no they didn't send me a home for any officers training so wild yeah that so you joined as marine yeah and now you did basic training during the much harder times what was even basic

training what was that like you're kidding me For a Marine training. Boot camp, sorry. Holy shit, I am so sorry. It's going to hit me. Yeah, boot camp for Marines back in those days. I joined in 1956. Damn.

Just when they had lost six Marines who drowned in Paris Island, which is a notorious boot camp. So I went through the three months and did pretty good. and after that they sent us to combat training for a month but we didn't get the month in because there was a war in the Middle East the Syrians and the Egyptians were fighting so they sent my unit over to the Mediterranean through the Mediterranean and we didn't land or anything

we just went over there to show a force say hey we're here now and you better behave yourself Eisenhower was president and we were prepared to land but we didn't finish up our combat training so they brought us back

to the states and we started all over again and my first three years that's what we did about every six months we deployed to the Middle East and now

they're still at it you were in Lebanon the first time Lebanon, yeah, I went to Lebanon, Lebanese and the Syrians, and everybody was at battle over there during those days. I don't remember what the problems were, I tell you the truth, but they've been fighting over there for 2,000 years. I see, I don't think they remember what the problem started as either. I hate how true that is. Why are we fighting?

It's what we do. What's your name? Tony. Thank you, Tony. Now, you, going into it, I know all Marines are infantry. Did you actually go in being like, I want to do infantry? I want to be a grunt. I want to do, like, reconnaissance.

Well, I did three years as a grunt. Then I thought, well, I'm doing pretty good. So rather than be discharged, I decided that I'll go ahead and reenlist. So I re-enlisted for six years, and then they sent me, what the hell they say, man, sent me to California, and I joined the special organization, the First Force Reconnaissance Company, and they did pretty good. I went to jump school and became a diver and, you know, all of the various things you learn to kill people 50 different ways. I spent three years there. So you told me on the way here, you had 550 jumps? I made 550 parachute jumps.

Static and then Halo? Yeah, static and free fall. And then you did combat diving too? Yeah. My brother. First off, aren't you black? How can you swim? And we're almost 10 minutes in.

Come on. No, no, I can swim. I'm a master diver. Dude. I made three combat swims in Vietnam. We did swim under an aircraft carrier, almost a thousand meters. And we did that.

And while we won under the aircraft carrier, there was a school of sharks showed up. This was in the Trang, Vietnam. And we swam the whole distance of the ship looking for mines under the ship because the USS card had been blown up by the Vietnamese divers. So we want to make sure that we had 3,000 Marines and sailors aboard that aircraft carrier. So I took my team of divers down and we swam the whole length of the aircraft carrier. And at the end, we saw the sharks show up and one of my men everybody was tied in with a buddy line his buddy line

came loose and he was drifting out where the sharks were and this is where you you have to make a decision you don't think about it you make the decision and he was drifting out where the tiger sharks were and i unhooked my buddy line and swam on got them and brought them back holy how was it hard even navigating in the pitch black essentially at that time well uh and no buddy line that's wild well he was drifting toward the sharks and i made a decision right here right there to go out and get him and i swam out and got him and hooked him into my buddy line and came back which we made three combat dies in vietnam what was the other two and just for everyone watching this man, that's the thing you always did, is put everyone else above yourself.

You have so many stories of that, and it is literally why we were so stoked for you and honored for you to be here is because you, it's rare to meet an individual like you where you're like, hey, these are my brothers in arms. They, their lives are more important than my own. And you do that every time. That's true. It's an honor to meet you, brother. Well, that's good to be here.

It's honor to be alive. So what were the other two combat dives you did? Well, two Marines at a base that was not too far from where I was in country. We'd gotten ashore by that time. And two of them were blown up by mine. And so I was asked to go out there and find the bodies and bring the bodies up. So it took my team of divers and I had a young Navy SEAL, Doug Burwell, he was a corpsman,

but he was one of the SEALs that I took with me. And of course we were around long before the SEALs were. You know, that's what we did. And the SEALs come along later on. And I had a couple of them with me, good guys. Burwell's still alive. But we went out to where the kid was. And we went down and got him and brought his body up.

The sharks had eaten them. Not the sharks, they were fish. Regular fish, they had eaten his body up. There wasn't much left rather than make a graphic, but we got him and brought him up. And while we were down there, We found mines and explosives in the bottom of the river. So I figured we couldn't leave that stuff down there

because they could use it against us. So I went back and got all the equipment and we went down and we drove over for two days and brought up over 200 rounds of ammunition and mines and things they had stored down that they used against us. We brought it all up. Every round we brought it all up. How long did that take?

It was two days. Damn. Hey, guys. You want to see something? Not again. Those are true classics. Oh. You want to touch it, Brandon?

Cody, you want to touch it? Oh. Burn it. Show, you have a degree in HR, right? That's right. Today's sponsor. It's true classic. Cody, what are you wearing?

I'm wearing a true classic. shirt right now. It fits really well around the arms and the chest. It makes you look bigger than you are. You could actually jacked right now. On a personal note with my personal endorsement to True Classic, that's no shit all the pants and the shirts that I wear. Like the undershirts always wear True Classic. The pants always True Classic. They're stretchy. Beeline's wearing True Classics right now. A lot of shirts that you get just off the shelf like aren't really cut. They're just generic unisex stuff. They're not really cut to look good. True Classic stuff is actually

tailored to fit the male form, which is, you know, actually helpful if you want to not look like a slob. Peak male performance. But now imagine my dick, because that's where I'm wearing underwear. Yeah. Now imagine my dick. Eli Quabas, 2025. Trueclic.com.

Use code on sub. Now, we've been messing around with T-shirts and been in that industry for years now, and we can truly say that True Classic has some of the greatest material and greatest fitting that we've ever seen. So forget overpriced designer brands. Skip the cheap throwaway stuff. True Classic is built for comfort, built to last, and built to give back. You can even find them at Target or Costco, or you can go to trueclassic.com slash unsub to try for yourself.

If you want to level up your clothes for the summer or coming into the fall weather, head over to trueclassic.com slash unsub. So you've done a lot of incredible things. Yeah. But one of the things that I do in my videos and my research is I like to find the crazy things. things and the funny things that people have accomplished. I understand that you captured a 20-foot Python. All right. I'll buy it.

Yeah. We named him Gorma because Gorma Powell was a popular TV program back in those days. So we were coming back from a mission. and my point man stopped and oh oh what's going on now and he'd run across this the snake so I went up and looked at him

and he was huge he was huge so I figured well let's grab this son of a bitch and take them back but then we had to cross a river and I didn't know we could get this snake and

cross the river and climb the mountain back up to the base but what we did we took a poncho and they jumped on the snake on his head and tied them up and put him in a sack so we're gonna try to get him back across the river so we're going with this snake he was huge and he was heavy weight about almost 200 pounds and so this is just for shits and giggles yeah this is a marine in vietnam in vietnam man We got to the river. I love this. Yeah, we got to the river.

How in the hell we're going to get this snake across the river? And it was flowing pretty fast. So we figured, oh, we can't do that. So we dropped the snake. And we swam the river and climbed the mountain and got back to our base. So this is a place called Kaysan. It was a bloody boughs up at Kaysan. And we were holding back to North Vietnamese.

with our small base. So we climbed the mountain and we got back there and some of the guys said, hey, where's that snake you guys were talking about? I said, well, we couldn't climb the mountain, couldn't swim the river with them. So a helicopter pilot heard about it. And we took my team and put it

in the helicopter and he flew down and landed on the river, rocks in the river. And our team jumped out and got the snake and yeah Marines do a lot of stuff like that and put the snake back on the helicopter and we got up to our base on the

mountain and we took the snake out and we dug a hole and put the snake in this hole it was huge and long and we took some pictures with them on our shoulders and like that I got a few and his head was huge

you know big head and we had a dog named King the king was an extremely large german shepherd you know he was a war dog and as a matter of fact i saw him kill two enemy soldiers rather than making a graphic but he jumped on him and ripped him pretty well but i'll leave that part out but that's what he did he was a killer he was trained to do that but he was a scout dog also he could smell different things but at any rate We got up there and King smelled the snake.

And he started getting agitated to, you know, what the hell is this? And we had a snake in the hole. So we figured that, well, I don't know how to feed this damn snake. So Yerman, Sergeant Yerman, took the Jeep and went out in town and come back with his duck. He had this duck. Yeah, I'm laughing too, because it's funny as all hell. I'm dying I mean

This is Marines I'm gonna feed Ducks But I don't know You're in like a heavy Combat zone And you're like Yo this snake though

And then they flew a helic He's literally repelling Enemy ambush Like guys we gotta feed the snake Go get a duck Go to town And get some shit I don't know

We brought the snake back I brought the duck back And the snake is in this hole We brought the snake back And the guys Put the duck in this hole with the snake and they tied his leg one leg of the duck now he was quacking and the snake was over there by himself wasn't bothered anybody so we figured that the snake is probably going to eat this

duck because you know snakes don't eat any canned food we couldn't give him something he had to eat live food so this is a riot all of the guys are coming around taking pigeons and damn duck in his hole with a snake whatever but the good part was I know the good part was we'd come back to see if this snake had eaten this duck and we looked in the hole and the duck was there quacking quacking and the snake was dead as the door down

laying there dead and the snake was still alive quacking and we thought the snake was going to eat the duck but somehow I don't know why the snake died but he was there alive and the duck was there quacking And so we got the snake out of the hole and they skinned them, took the skin off a snake, and they gave the meat to the villagers.

And we took pictures of that, but, you know, it wasn't funny, but, you know, I felt sorry for the... I don't want to happen to the duck. That's another story. I never happened to the duck. But Gorma of the snake there, we got a lot of pictures of us. and we took the skin off of him and some of the guys made belts out of the snake skin.

He was a python, or what I'm called boy stricter than large, but I took a picture of him with the snake around my shoulders, and he was heavy, and they put the snake on my shoulders to take a picture. So I felt the snake trying to constrict me. And I was holding his head, his head in my left hand. And he was squeezing me. And I told, sorry, Jeremy, you know, get this damn snake off of me because he just may try to eat me or something. But I kept him on my shoulder and he took some pictures.

He was huge, about 18 feet long. Well, I'm sorry he died before you could get any useful information out of him. Yeah. He didn't talk much. That's so wild The duck is what Walking back I'd be like

Wait why is the duck alive What happened when we were gone Don't you Dangerous Yeah Oh my God Somebody made a lot of money On that betting pool

Yeah So I remember another story There was some kind of Competition or a course Where you had to lead a group of men And traverse part of a jungle And I think I heard That your team broke the course

record in some because you had common commandeered some canoes we did that in panama they dropped us in panama before going to vietnam and i had a team uh it was pretty good and uh the whole company had to traverse miles of jungles and mountains things like that And my team, we took off and we got some canoes, and we canoed across the river. How did you get the canoes? They were blown to the Vietnamese, I'm sorry, the Panamanian civilians. Just acquired them? Yeah, we acquired them.

The Marines never stealing anything, so we quietly acquired them, got in the boats, and went across the river. and we broke the record for that type of course, you know, in the jungles. And I was their leader, and that's one reason they looked at me through the training and through the operations in Vietnam to get this commission. Everybody didn't get those types of battlefield commission. And I was a staff sergeant. And Sergeant Major came to get me one day and said, sorry, and the colonel want to see you. I said, oh, oh, am I in trouble?

It's the canoes, isn't it? The what? Never mind. You know what's better than burning the boats? Stealing them. These are my boats. Acquiring. Well, I got in the colonel's office.

And he was a good guy. His name, I forget his name's gone now. But he commissioned me, took off my staff sergeant Shevans and put on lieutenant bars and shook my hand and had me sign some papers. And the sergeant major said something to me. I can't remember what it was now. But, Sergeant Major Skinner was a good man.

He was our battalion Sergeant Major. And he walked me out at the colonel's office. And part of my language and my nieces here, he said, don't get up. And I didn't. As for damn sure, you You were one of the first Force Recon. It was a newer... How long had Force Recon been around

when you actually joined? It was four years. Oh, my dad's wild. Yeah, I joined and went to jump school and school by school and demo school and martial arts and all of this shit to commandos. And we had a couple of bridge commandos

that helped us with our training years later I went to England and trained with the British commandos SAS good bunch of guys How did you get selected

to be one of the first Force Recon Marines I mean was there like a tryout process It was so new at the time Well you volunteer And you go in with the CO And the one I had It's kind of a crazy guy

I'm in there being interviewed to see if they're going to select me. And he had a grenade on his winter seal. I mean, I knew what a grenade was, because I'd fought in Lebanon. He's sitting there looking at me. He reached over and pulled his grenade and pulled a pen. It was a phony grenade. It wasn't real.

And threw it on the ground to see what I was going to do. I walked over and picked it up and had it back to him. And he selected me. Approved. Yeah. Selected me. Then I went off to demo school and all the things you can think of to make you a commando. And I went to demo,

I went to Fort Benning for the jump program. And you did, again, static. But what's crazy is, Free fall, and this is when there was no wind tunnels, you had to do the little board on your, the, yeah, that is wild. It is, like, floating's hard. You find that out really fast. When you're in free fall, it is one of the hardest things. And to, the only training up to that point is that board, and then you're jumping out of a plane at 20,000 feet is wild to me.

We weren't at 20,000 at first, you know, the free fall program. You know, you jump out and you stabilize your body, and then you have your toggles which help you maneuver the parachute, and you hit the ground in about 15, 20 miles an hour. That's why my legs don't work now. Knees are shot. But your parachute program, I became a jump master where, you know, my job now is. of getting my guys in on the drop zone and make sure they didn't die and getting there.

But I did that for 20 years. You're a master diver and a jump master. Okay, cool. Two opposite ends of the spectrum there. It's the highest and lowest point a human can be. All right. He's going to go get them. I never thought about that.

You fight the low sea level and well above sea level. We'll see about getting you that Space Force Commission. Brandon, what kind of shirt is that? I'm glad you asked, Eli. this is a poncho. Brandon and I actually wear poncho so much, we constantly end up wearing the same nice poncho shirt.

Good thing nobody's ever pointed that out before. Now, if you guys have ever seen one of our live shows or this podcast in general, you'll see Brandon and I wearing these incredibly comfortable, great-looking shirts all the time. Finn, pull it up with pictures. They're literally always wearing the same shirt. I got turned on a poncho like a year ago.

I've been wearing them ever since. Personally prefer, I think this is the Western because it's got the pearl snaps. because it's hot in Texas and I like something breathable. Here's the thing I find really cool. Brandon, do the glasses trick. So ponchos have this neat little thing in the pocket where you just take your glasses.

No, that's the other one. Be more specific. Let's get the shit about that. All right. Watch everyone. So if you got fat fingers and you smudge your glasses all the time, the bottom of the shirt actually acts.

It has like a microfiber so you can clean your glasses. I make him clean my phones. He does. I like the hidden little pocket on the bread. Wait, what? Right over here. Got a little zipper pocket. I didn't even know about that one.

Is that where you hold Cody's heart? And his drugs. Things you might need to know. Pancho has put a lot of thought and detail into each one of their shirts. Oh, holy sh- They're soft. They're really fucking soft. Yo, what?

That's my one, like, thing is fucking fabric sensitivity. I don't wear uncomfortable shirts. This is comfy as f***. This is where we wear them all the time. So Pancho's got a bunch of great styles. The original. Western denim and ultralight. If you're looking for the perfect shirt,

something breathable, and stands out in a good way, give Poncho a try. Go to poncho outdoors.com slash unsub and get $10 off for your first order. That's P-O-N-C-H-O-Outdoors.com slash unsub. What was the harder school for you? Was it jump or was it a diver?

I think the diving program was a little hard. I went through that in Florida. Gravity doesn't do the work for you. diving. That was about a month course and down in Key West Florida. Beautiful

area. Yeah, well, I did that for a month. A lot of it, you're in the classroom and a lot of it, you know, you're in the water. I mean, you're in the water all the time. And we did hydrographic surveys

when they drop you in and you have to see how close to, you know, the water is to the lands we can land our troops. So it was a hard, hard program for me because I'd been a grunt. I hadn't been swimming like that. And when I first got there, I was a really black guy in the class. And you alluded to some of those funny things. But I got there and the commander of the school. told me he was sending me home.

I said, may I ask you why? He said, because we have medical documentation that can't swim. I said, which were you talking to, Commander? He said, we're just going to send you home. And once you're drown our program, I said, you're making a mistake. I can swim.

And I can swim, you know, a little bit of bravado. said, I can probably swear I'm better than anybody you got in this class. He said, well, you're not going to drown here, so I'm sending you home. I didn't want to kiss the guy's ass, but I just says, hey, you know, just give me a shot at it. If I don't make it, I don't make it. But I guarantee you, I will make it. He said, well, I'm going to give you an opening program, but, you know, I think I'm making a mistake. I said, no, you're not.

So I start the program And the first week It was kind of difficult Like your Hellwig program you read about They kill you I mean they do I mean you do more push-ups And sit-ups and just running and running

And swimming And then at night you study That at night they take you back to the water And put you back in the water again And you have to do the night swims You know When they take you out on a boat took you out on a boat

then you had to swim the shore and you have to like a boat then you have to swim the shore and hit a target at night so it was tough but I was on a graduate no shit

yeah I was on a graduate oh when you're swimming are you in full kit when you're swimming or do they have like are you in uniform or what are you wearing at that time when we first started

you know we're in shorts Okay. And it was January in 1966. And it was cold as hell down there. I think the whole citrus fruit in Florida froze. But we swam, went through the whole course in January, 1966. Then I come home from school with school. And then we left to go to Panama.

Then we left to go to Bermuda. and places like that. So it's training. You're ready to go to, to go in country. I'm still reeling on the idea that there was medical documentation in the United States Marine Corps.

This was in the Navy. He said that... Or Navy. Good swim. I'd love to see that doctor's note. That was what he said to me, and it just made me a little irritate. I was irritated, but I knew

I had to get in this course. I was the only black guy here but you know I was angry now Oh that You know Because he's challenging me

And the sad part about it After we graduated Went through the whole month program And we were all lying up to To graduate And the chief came up to me And told me I was on a graduate

But the commander, as we were line up, getting our certificates, he walked past me. He didn't shake my hand. Even though you were, uh. 1966, I was honor graduate, but he didn't shake my hand. He walked past me. Garbage, human. But, you know. I would have saluted your ass.

I'd be like, yo, what the. Holy shit. That was a whirl for black guys back in those days. But I had to suck it. up because I had a lot of men that trained with me. And now we're going to war. You know, the training is over. Jokes over now. We're going to go fight and kill people. A lot of us got killed. And also came home. Matter of fact, on the way from the scuba program, we're flying home on the aircraft caught on fire

and the crew chief came back and said we're going to have to land and it was a commercial plane they had other senior citizens on the plane and we were teenagers and mostly young guys so they had the plane in an open field and my guys didn't get off the plane until they went

and got all the civilians off They got the elderly citizens off And we stayed out there And the plane was burning But the ambulance came And they took care of the plane Then some vehicles came and took us To Miami

And we got a A bus came and took us to Miami Then we got another plane And flew us to North Carolina So it was always something but we overcame it. Always train. That is.

And again, I can't, for the individuals out there that don't understand going through combat diver, Halo, jump, everything, and then back to back, especially at that time, is, like, tip my hat to you for that level of dedication and how difficult that would have been. Thank you. Thank you. Especially in the 60s? This was in the 60s. Yeah, 66. in 67 we were in combat you were already married at this point right yeah I was married I had a child so I mean what I get and that's the part that I haven't really seen anybody touch on

in your interviews and stuff like you've done all this incredible stuff in the military but you also did that at the same point in time that you were married you had a wife and son back home your son had special needs yeah and it's the 1960s and the civil rights movements going on. So you're leaving home to go fight and war with your wife at home and there's like civil unrest going on at the same time. How did you deal with that mentally? I was a patriot. I believed in this country from day one. When I was a child, I had gotten sick and my father gave me to a white family. This is just the history that I was told. be true, because back in those days, childhood diseases were common. We lost, and mostly

African Americans, who were just, you know, wasn't that long out of slavery. And we ran the, picked the cotton, cropped the tobacco, working for the white guys, and say the white man, but some of them weren't all bad. And this family, that when I got sick, it took me in, and obviously I was cured, and then I came back to my family, and we ended up leaving South Carolina and moving to Baltimore, where I went to school, then the Korean War started, and I saw the Marines all over the TV. We didn't have TVs in the South, but we got to Baltimore, we had our first TV, the old black and white TVs, and the kid over here was not born at that time, but, you know, we got there and

moved into what we call the ghetto, which is where the Germans were doing World War II, the ghetto and I didn't look at it as a ghetto there was a South Baltimore and we brought our habits from the South to the city

and there were not many jobs and it wasn't a good life but we made the best we could and so when you say you brought your habits what exactly do you mean?

Survival but I The goodness that I found along the way, like I said, that white family, I don't know who they are. And there's some research now that are trying to figure out, you know, who it was. They're trying to figure out the doctor that attended me. Probably wasn't that many doctors at that time. But there's some folks in South Carolina who are trying to figure out what happened to this guy. How did he live?

And now that I've been up for the Medal of Honor. you know people send me flowers these days I get flowers I get cards I get letters I want if they know something that I don't know you know they say I'm getting my flowers before I get out here but it's been nice my house is full of flowers that folks have sent to me flowers are one thing it's usually the only time you receive flowers is at your funeral so it's a really good gesture. Feels good getting flowers as a dude. Yeah, thank you. Well, my place is already preparing up in Arnold's National Cemetery while I will join my wife and my son.

They're there waiting for me. And I'm not worried about it because I think I've got a good chance of getting in the heaven. My wife and my son are waiting for me. But on the other side, I wasn't the nicest guy. I was not the nicest guy because I was trained to kill people in the worst way. And I did that for too long, maybe.

But I feel that God will have mercy on me and let me get into the pearly gates. But then again, he might say, hey, you shouldn't have done that. But I don't think so. I believe in God. And I think I'll see my wife or my son again. I believe the same. You got forgiveness, and that's the one thing, especially Jesus, that's what he sacrificed himself for.

So I think you're good to go. Yeah, I hope so. All of your favorite NBA players are black. I mean, back. I mean, both were right. I'm just waiting for Cate Cody to say it. Pack of Muntals, any car. Draft King's Sports Book, an official sports betting partner of the NBA.

It's the place to bet on those NBA stars this season. New customers, Just bet five bucks and get three months of NBA league pass. What's that? If I know. Borts. I don't know, but you're also going to win $300 if your bet wins in free bets. Paid in bonus bets?

Correct. Now, get something I do understand. You can't say that word. Understand? Download the Draft King Sportsbook app and use code unsub. That's code unsub. Bet five bucks and get three months of league pass. Plus get $300 in bonus bets if your bet wins.

Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler. In New York, call 8778. What? Hope New York. Hope N-Y? Hopin'y. Hopin'y. Branden just said Hopin'y. Not Hope New York. It's spelled H-O-P-E-N-Y.

So much better. Or text Hopeny, 467-3-6-9. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-7-8-9-7-77, or visit CCPG.org. Somebody else take over. I'm having a stroke. Please play responsibly. On behalf of Booth, Hill, Casino, and Resort in Kansas, pass-through...

What? Yeah. Pass-through per-wager tax may apply in Illinois. God damn. This is one sentence. 21 plus age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply.

Bet must win to receive bonus bets, which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required. NBA lead pass auto renews and tell cancer. Additional terms at dkng.com slash audio. Limited time offer. You can't win big if you don't bet big. Sun Tzu said that. What's one of your favorite stories of for your wife and for your kiddo?

Well, uh, I met her in high school. I saw walking down the hall. And I looked at her and I fell in love. First time I saw I was in love. I went home and I told my mom, I said, Ma, guess what? She said, sit down, son. We'll talk about it.

And we went through high school together. Her name was Dorothy and I called her Dottie. And I was, you know, I still write to her. She's been gone some years now. But sometime I have the desire to tell her what I'm doing. And when I get back on Friday, I'll write to her about how well you guys treated me. I'll tell her. I can't mail the letters, but I just tell them that, you know, guess what, sweetheart?

I was in San Antonio, and she knows all of this anyway. She's watching me. When I do write to her, and I have the letters, someone Frank told me. and I should put them in the mailbox. Maybe God will find the way to get him to Donnie. No, I knew right to her. It's just a relief of me. I'll sit down right up to her

when I get back on Friday about this experience. And I'll say, guess what? My niece was there listening. Even though she joined the Air Force. I thought maybe it The kid would join the Marines, but no, she joined the Air Force. That was Whiplash. Hey, Doddy.

Thinking of you. By the way. Air Force? What? Well, at least, to my understanding, you got to share over 50 years with her, which is fantastic. We were married 50 years. Dang. And she died a week after we celebrated our 50th anniversary.

Condolences, brother. She died in the hospital there in my town. and she died of cancer and I was holding her hand standing by her bedside and I was holding her hand and she winked at me that was Dottie Capris

and she winked at me, squeeze my hand then she closed eyes but I'll see her again I, you know, she was a love of my life and I'm still single. You hadn't been able to find any, another doty caper, so I've been widowed all these years.

And I thought about it, but I don't go on dates or things like that. We can't find you on Tinder. No, no, no, no, no. But I had a great marriage. She stuck with me all those years when I deployed over, overseas and when I came home to Bethesda I was all shot up and she came there and she asked for me and they said no there's no black lieutenant here I was there but they had never seen a black wrinkle also before so eventually being Dottie Kaper's she

found me I was on the 14th floor of a Bethesda Hospital and she had my son with her and my son some kind of way

walked into the room and walked to my bed and he put his hand on my body and he said hello dad he's blind special needs but

you know we wanted how did he get into the room he got away from dotting got into the room he'd never been there before and put his hand on my body and said hello dad you know these are things you wanted about special needs and and how in a world did a child like that you know get into that room daddy was right with him she was chasing him and she came in and they uh you know i want to see then, but I was angry. The demons had come home. And I lost all those men. I've been banged up. Both my legs were broken. I still had bullet fragments in me. And I looked out the window. I didn't look at her because I was ashamed because that, in a way, you know, and those letters I told her that, well, when I get

home we're going to go dancing you know we're going to go different places we're going to enjoy the rest of our lives this is over now this is over but then i come home i couldn't walk couldn't hardly talk you know i only weighed 120 pounds i lost all of the weight my body was scarred and they had the corpsman had clean me up because I was blood was all over my bed and I couldn't use the bathroom so they'd come in and clean me up put a pot under me and that was a world that I saw but when Dottie came in she was okay with everything and she held my hand and kissed me and said walk them home. But me, I was still in combat. I was still in those jungles. I could still

hear those cries of men dying, you know. But Doddy Capers was Doddy Capers. And she sat there with me and told me it was going to be okay. We're still going to go dancing. I was never a good dancer anyway, but the thought was being with him, and it happened. I don't know, after a year, you know, of being there in the hospital, I look out the window, and a matter of fact, one day, and I was in pain, you know, they had, you know, they were doing surgery on me, this, or that, and I looked out the window. I said, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore.

So if I can open the window, just get me to the window, and I'll jump out. So you're going to understand why warriors do this. Why do you commit to the pain? Because the pain was so severe. I thought I was pretty tough, but after a while, When they gave me shots for the pain, I got to the point when I was so weakened that I would set my clock up because I got shot every four hours.

So what I would do, I would take my clock and set it up, and I'd call the nurse and tell the nurse, hey, it's time for my shot. She said, no, it's not four hours yet. I said, yeah, come look at my watch. That was a time when I was at my weakest. when I looked out the window, it didn't matter anymore, because the pain was so severe, you know, and I thought I couldn't deal with it anymore.

But God stepped in and said, yeah, let's stay with it, let's keep it going. And I did. But the nights in that little room there, I could hear the sounds of battle. You know, I could only wait 122 pounds, you know, scars all over me. and I'd lie there at night and that little bed there and the wounds began to seep in the bed

and I still had blood on my hands from the war blood was all in my hands because I couldn't take a shower they wouldn't give me no showers so they just sort of

dib and dabbed you know to keep the blood from flowing they had some bandages on me but they didn't stick I had skin grass and all those things but when I came through

K-San and they they hit us hard with those 120 rockets and I run across this Marine who was lying there he was getting dark

and his head was crooked gosh damn you know he was dead and I took his head to try to straighten his head to be perpendicular with his body and when I grabbed his hand his whole

his brains fell out in my hands his whole head was cracked and the blood and blame and I was just trying to straighten his head but now I'm trying to deal with the brains in my hands and I didn't have enough water to wash it off so I kept that his brains in my hands. hands you know and sometimes I'll get up at night and go to the bathroom and wash my hands

thinking that I've got to wash these brains and blood off my hand but those are the things that bother me and I wish I could have saved that Marine but he's gone now you are a strong strong individual I was weak I'm a weak brother you shut up right now brother The life you have lived and what, again, you put everyone else first, even right now, it is those dark thoughts. It's like, especially veterans, it's hard. If you've seen stuff been to war, everyone glorifies war, but then reality of wars, it's hard. War is hell. And you came out the other side and then with your family and then you said you did therapy too, but look at you now.

Look at, like, you came out clean on the other side. You went through hell. and it was probably a long process and journey and you still have those moments but look at the life you're changing now if you can just get through and he brought a lot of people with him I've read a lot of the stuff your guys have said about you

all lies all lies yeah right you know one of the coolest things his guys said about him one of his guys said I heard capers swear one time the entire time I was with him in Vietnam the rest of the time when he was mad he'd just call you a knucklehead

But when he called you a knucklehead, it felt like your dad and Jesus Christ called to you that at the same time. Yeah. Hey, you want to borrow my ghost bed pillow? Does it smell like you? Yes. Do you feel that cooling technology? It's definitely not a hot pillow. I gotta get out of here.

Give me my pillow. I'm the one that has to sleep here. You guys have your own houses at your house. have your own houses and your own pillows. Quit touching it. All right, real question. Can the gang do a pillow fight? Not with these. A slow motion pillow fight? No, they're heavy. It'll hurt. Are they really? Yes, they're premium. Dude, that would actually suck. I don't think I'd want to get smacked with that. I'm swinging it hard, okay? Your son, you walk up and just tee off on your kid. If I smack you with this, you're gonna be a ghost. And get this. They're built to last with a

20 year warranty and they have a three month free trial period. What do they do with all the used mattresses that get returned. Not black lights. They have a complete sleep setup. For spooky sex. Boo. Ghostbed has it all. Adjustable bases, sheets, pillows, and full bundles to upgrade your whole bed. With over 20 years of sleep expertise. Which is really amateur hour. I've been sleeping for at least 30 years. Family owned and handcrafted in the USA. In Canada. Ew. You. Canada. And trusted by thousands of happy sleepers. Like Cody. Brandon and Nick yep they have over 60,000 five-star reviews and you get an extra 10% off when you use code unsubscribe at checkout head over to ghostbed.com slash unsubscribe to get started that's ghostbed.com slash unsubscribe

use the code unsubscribe to sleep better and stay cooler I don't even know what story like you have a silver star with V device Star, Purple Heart. Yeah, three purple. Like this is so stacked over here. Yeah. Like, just zoom in on that rack right there. You're like, oh, man, this dude has been through it. And then being forced recon at the same time in Vietnam is wild.

And your, the mission, it's wild reading that mission. Or even hearing glimpses of your stories, like, oh, hey, with a knife. oh hey like this happened and then also that mission leading up to i think that was the silver star with where you broke your legs and everything was that that mission or is that a separate mission no that's the mellivanah mission that's the place called full lock you want to you want to talk would you get open to telling that story sure uh foolock was a place and uh in vietnam it was my last combat mission, we're going to go home now. We've been deployed almost a year.

So now we survived this. It was a five-day mission. And when I got the mission, the Dorooski, which was my point man, I left him behind. Because he'd been with me, and I picked up a guy named Nicola, who was huge. Nick had 20-inch arms or a 50-inch chess, and he could carry the M-60 machine guns with one hand. So I took him along.

How's a strong dude. Yeah, he's a big guy. Yeah, he's a big guy. And I took him along. I had a kid named Stanton who survived it, but he got hit real bad. lost the kidney and they're still alive in Louisiana. So the team, all of them are gone now, said Stanton and Doroski. We went out on the mission.

We went out at night and we crossed the rice patties. We ran into some of the bad guys. Some of the bad guys, we smoked them, kill them all. Then we went into, with another group, and to try to help them out. I think there was First Battalion, Third Marines, we was. And we went in and all held, broke loose. And we called in artillery.

And they dropped them in. They gave us 50 meters grace. Other words, I told them, you know, gave me that 50 meters because don't drop them on me. So they did. They started walking them back toward me, and they were keeping the bad guys from attacking us. So they dropped them in about 50 meters,

and then I called in theirstrikes. we fought for three days he fought for three days and we killed as many as we could we could my point man Nicola he lost his leg my ward dog king

he killed two he jumped on this Vietnamese and he grabbed his throat ripped it out and they grabbed his growing And he killed two of them. And we got Nick out. He was a huge guy that everybody was wounded, the whole team. But that was one of the greatest days of terrorism and combat, you know, that I saw our last mission.

They fought for three days. And they were good. They were good. I mean, I did the best that could. When I got home, I had three rounds of ammunition left. I had gone through all the ammunition that I had. And, you know, my right leg was broken to the point where I couldn't hardly stand up. And the blood was flowing down into my boots.

But I used my rifle, you know, best I could. And the helicopter dropped in and landed. It was a small helicopter and dropped in out of the sky. The other one was flying suppressing fire. And I got my team there and my dog's body, all the wounded. Got everybody on the aircraft. I didn't get on. Take my men home.

I figured I'll some way. I'll make it. They got all my guys on. Then a helicopter had tried to lift off, and it wouldn't make it. So the crew chief grabbed me, and he pulled me on, as they were trying to get up, pull me on. But he was struggling, so I jumped off, get my troops home. That's what I was thinking about. Matter of fact, one time I was talking.

who grew and I told the story about getting my guys home and my wife said did you think about me did you think about you trying to get home I said no

it didn't matter at that time she didn't speak to me for two days pissed Dottie off real quick but my guys all on the aircraft now they pulled me on we went up about 12 feet

and it dipped and it went south and landed in the hospital yard. And they took my body, well, the one guy who was there at the hospital, he reached King, my dog, by the collar, and pulled him off, and the king hit the ground. And I told the corpsman, I said, hey, you know, pick him up and carry him. Don't drag him. He said, well, the damn dog is dead.

I said, yeah, but carry him. and I had my M-16 across me, and I told him, if you don't pick him up and carry him, I'll kill you right now. And I pointed my M-16 at him. I only had three rounds, but, I mean, you know how many rounds you got. You know, you had 20 rounds in these magazines,

so I always knew pretty much how much I got, and I had three rounds left, but I didn't kill him. I didn't kill him. He carried him. He carried the dog. He carried the dog in. And that's the last time I saw King. He took us all in.

And the doctor came in to me. I asked him how with my men. He said, they're all going to live. I thanked him. He was a young doctor. He had sad eyes. I looked at his eyes. He had sad eyes.

and he'd been crying, a young guy. And he, I was lying there, and he looked at me, and he said, Lieutenant, I got good news and I got bad news. He said, it looks like you're going to live. It looked like you're going to live. And I said, well, Doc, that's good news. So what's the bad news? He said, he's going to take off my right leg.

He said, gangrene's going to set in. and it'll probably kill you and so that was the worst thing ever heard take off my right leg I was just so damn disappointed and he left the room

I'm lying there and what the hell's going on but at least I knew I was going to live that was a question mark at first I was kind of one of this is it when he came back in and said that if he could get me to

to get where he said Danang or wherever it was he might be to save that leg and then he came back in and said they're going to take me to Japan and they did they flew me to Japan

and from Japan they took me to Alaska was cold as hell they took us off the hair after refueled it, I was lying out there on the tarmac. It was raining, 10 degrees below zero. It was snowing. And I was shivering, coming out of a jungle area, and they picked me up,

picked the stretcher up, and I was the last man to get on, and I looked back to make sure that nobody had been forgotten. I want to make sure all my men was on the aircraft, you know. leave me out, but take my guys. It was always my guys. And they came out, got me, and put me on the aircraft. It took us four, five days to get home, you know, from the combat zone to stops a long way. And they took me to, uh, when I took me to Alaska and getting home.

then we finally made it to Bethesda hospital and I spent a year there learning the walk, learning to get rid of the anger that I felt you know, I didn't trust anybody I didn't want anybody behind me you know, I don't even trust these guys here they look like they robbed banks. It's fair.

Fair enough. Brandon, because he's Mexican. Yeah, also fair enough. How long after that was that picture taken? Oh, yeah. I came home as an officer, and they sent me to Marine Barracks, Fort Mead. And the Marine Corps at that time, or the military, was trying to bring more minorities in the Brain Corps. And they weren't doing very well.

So I got a call from the secretary. I was in, I was in, you know, they sent me to Marine Barracks for it Meade as an officer. Then the secretary of the Navy called me and told me I'd been selected to head up a campaign to get more African Americans and minorities into the Marine Corps as officers. or just get them in and I said well Mr. Secretary you know

however you think we ought to do this thing I'll help out best where I can he said I've got a program going down where we're going to make you a superstar I said what the hell is that Mr. Secretary and he said well

we got a company that The J. Walter Thompson Company in New York, and they came down for three days, and they took 600 pitches. I had me on a golf course, and I mentioned the sad part about this whole thing is a guy who was holding me up in the rear. I couldn't hardly walk, but I was standing there, and this ring there was talking to me. The one in the back left of the photo. It's probably better on the big one. Yeah, show the big one anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right there. So the gentleman, right. Right. He was holding me up because I couldn't stand and he was saying to me. Here, Brandon, can you hold it? Yeah, that way, same shot. So that gentleman there?

Yeah, I heard him saying, Lieutenant, it's okay. I got you. And he had his hand in my back. You know, my legs had been broken and, you know, I didn't really want to be there. When I told the secretary, the Navy secretary died, do what I could. The kid there, he didn't make it. He died.

Then the demons come home again. And I couldn't make sense of it all. I come home from this war zone, and the boy is holding me up saying, it's okay, Lieutenant. I've got you. I still hear him the day. He helped me stand up

because they had me all dressed up and my blues, you know, blue uniform. When I went to Quantico to get the officer's uniform, they told me no. He said, you don't look much like an officer. I was skinning bones, and my skin is scarred, and they said, well, go home and come back.

I was turned down from getting the uniform that I had already in Vietnam. My wife was in the car. When we went to the car, she said, you're okay? I said, yeah, I didn't get the uniform. They were very expensive uniforms, but I was enlisted, man. Now I'm an officer.

I got to do all this stuff. do she said that's okay we'll we'll go home and I'm gonna fatten you up and we're coming back we're coming back and we did and we did and I came back and I came back and they took me in and measured me and they got the uniform out and I looked in the mirror, I didn't recognize that person. That was not me. But they had about three or four guys that were measuring and doing all these kind of things and with this historical rankle uniform.

Now I've got it on me. And what do I do now? I've got it. I went back to Fort Meade where I was stationed with the Army base. and they took me to a golf course along with some rings there and they had me marching around with that uniform on

and they took 600 pitches and this is the one they decided to go with I believe it's called Ask a Marine How was that the first time seeing that and knowing the impact especially at that time? Because as you said it's like you're going to be a superstar and you're like what even is

that you're the face of the Marine Corps for a minute how the face of the Marine Corps for a minute what that feel like yeah well it took me a while to understand it because I was a wounded warrior I could hardly stand up and the uniform didn't you know I will only wait 122 pounds a little bit more than that you know so it was a and they decided to discharge me from the Marine Corps they said I wasn't going to be able to be a Marine anymore. And I'd been a Marine since I was a teenager. What happens now?

I got a wife and I got a son. They're going to kick me out. And then I got a letter from the Commonwealth Army Marine Corps. And he said he's going to keep me. Said my combat record was exemplary. and I'm going to stay in the Marine Corps. And I stayed in, and I made first lieutenant. Eventually I made captain, and they sent me to Europe

as a commander in a rain detachment on the aircraft carrier. And I did that for a year and traveled a world on this aircraft carrier. But go ahead and ask me questions. What do you got? I'm loving. Brother, you are. I'm going to adjust this just a little closer for you.

So you married for 50 years to your high school sweetheart. Yeah. What's the best advice you got to a young guy that looking to get married and have a happy marriage for 50 years like you did? When she asks if you thought of her lie. Well, well. you know, I think we were driving around I'd gotten out of the hospital

and we were driving around one Sunday afternoon and there was a little Volkswagen there was beeping behind us so Dottie Polo and it was a guy that I met in Vietnam

and he was hey Jim Capers he recognized me and I pulled over and he said I don't live but a mile down the road come down and I went to his house

and I we had dropped the baby off at the school in Maryland School for the blind and I went to his home and at first he said

he thought I was dead and the word was around that I didn't make it but obviously I did and he started telling the stories about in country and Dottie heard all these

stories and we had a good afternoon then on the way home I think I told a story about I forget what it was but Dottie said that I didn't know you oh I had a chance to come home

when I was in the hospital they told me that because of my wounds you know I could get sent home but I couldn't do that my men were still there will still have some still alive and when I was there

at the hospital there in country when I was wounded I told the corpsman to get on the phone and call my unit instead of going home I got a Jeep and it sent me back to my unit

I couldn't go home because my men was still there and when I told that story you know Dottie said well you said you love me in all those letters and you had a chance to come home and you stayed

and I told her well these brains were like my sons and I couldn't leave them she said yeah but I'm your wife you said you love me I see I did love you, but at that time I didn't.

I loved my troops. And that caused a problem. You know, she didn't speak to me for a while. But we got through that, but it was just PTSD. Those guys meant so much to me, and the only two of us still alive now. And I did the best I could to keep them alive. No, I swam with them, I fought with them, climbed mountains with them. I sweated out in those jungles.

100 degrees that kills snakes You caught snakes You caught snakes Yeah Captured an interrogated snakes And then made a duck kill a snake

Yeah Yeah we We came face to face With an Asian tiger Oh And Doroski Just a tiger that can do math I got right

It has one of the map It's like a normal tiger, but with an abacus. It's like, holy shit. Yeah, he was huge. Yeah, cats don't mess around. That is. Also, Brandon, this, confirm this, during the big three-day firefight. You guys ran out of ammo at one point.

You had to have ammo resupplied during the firefighter. I was thinking that, because, yeah, the combat loadout for three days, that's a stretch. Like that's got to be tough How like you through how like I read it And the amount of ammo But like how many grenades did you end up even through I threw 20 on the

Yeah I threw 20 We would have got along and more Yeah Yeah the problem was sometimes You would throw a grenade And it Either didn't go off or it hit a tree And it might bounce back

so we threw a lot of grenades and hoping that you'd kill enough enemy soldiers that they would back off and you know they don't yeah there were a lot of I won't say a lot of guys but there was something

who you know who didn't pull the pen or or just threw it and hit something and bounced back a lot of casualties but I carried about 20

and I threw them all that last every one of them and I had three rounds of ammunition left but we we fought for three days and they resupplied me on the second day what we were talking about a little bit beforehand was you were issued the

the original M16 and you also had your 9mm which you said was a it was a FN Browning high power yeah no shit yeah and you actually I want to say Zach even brought up you even used your actual

sidearm in combat during that which is for now like a GY I'm sure you've talked to a couple GWAT veterans but it's so rare to most of us don't have a sidearm unless you're an officer but then I never seen one get used in service especially in combat

we were just like shooting we do the mark why I say we get along it's like one firefight I don't even think I talked about on here but we did in one exchange We did, I think we fired 22 or 20 HEB DP grenades like from the M2O3 and we laid down like we laid down a lot of hate during that fire file, but it was like open field and we were just, as you said, you're just hoping that they leave or they pull away and then when they stick and fight, it becomes that actual engagement. If I'm not mistaken, the sidearm was in the same, it was two people with a sidearm and one with the knife. in that one engagement or am I wrong on that?

Well, I kill the first one with a knife and Bill is Frank is over there saying and maybe I shouldn't tell these stories I don't know Frank it's your call I think he could tell it

As long as it's okay with you and you these stories it's one It's again it's a you were in the midst of combat you went through hell and you came out on the other side and now you are helping people but it also a lot of people don't understand what war is like or when you're like oh it's war it's hell that doesn't just it doesn't do justice to what you go through mentally in those situations or taking a human life it's like this and it's also you're fighting for your life you're fighting for your brothers yeah that's all that matters at that point you're not thinking about that little shit. You're just like, I have to protect these people. I have to get them home and I have to get home too. But totally you guys call on that front.

Well, you know, we were coming back from a mission at a place called Ksang and we run up on some bad guys. And I grabbed the first one, sneaked up on him, and I grabbed it in my mouth. and I took my knife and I cut his throat then I ripped him down and blood gushed from everywhere and I killed him and then I saw

no before I killed him I had killed three with my M16 and I cut his throat and then I took my knife millimeter and there was two others and I shot the first one I hit him double shot bam bam and he fell then it was another one come running over and I shot him so the one I killed my knife and two right there you know I killed a bunch of them in just a matter of minutes they didn't know we were there and when we jump on guys we we kill everybody now my chief of staff over there, Frank, he thinks that I shouldn't tell these gory stories like my niece

is sitting there thinking, oh, Uncle Jay, I never heard that. And I think a lot, even when we have like Don or these, like the World War II veterans at Ewo, hearing him tell that story, he's like, yeah, he just, he's like, well, got my flamethrower, had to just kill. Yeah. You don't have a choice.

Yeah, it's not, it's the best way to say, it's you're in war. It's not a choice. It is survival. Right. get your that is the only way you're going to get home that is the only way you're going to get your buddies home is that and using knife guess what that if is day or night if you sneak up on somebody and you're trying to do it quick and efficient it's like hey i don't i can't give away my position so it's boom let's act now force rec on i guarantee you trained very much so on that

surprise element and then violence of action or violence yeah violence of force yeah we got a mission from the CIA to go into a POW camp. We had some American POWs that had been captured and was being held. And my team was selected to go in there by the CIA and get them out. So we trained for a week or so and they dropped us into the camp.

We're not in the camp, but the little ways from it that we had to walk to the camp. and we kill the guards and all hell broke loose and some of their reinforcements came in but we didn't get the P.O.Ws we were out there for about four days you know getting to the camp

and looking for the POWs, the American POWs. Now, they had some other prisoners there, and we were led to the camp. The CIA gave me a guy named Lap. A lap had been in the camp, and the North Vietnamese thought that he was too easy on the American, so they put him in the camp, teach him a lesson. And Lap escaped.

and was picked up by our guys in the CIA, they brought them to me. So I kept lap with me, and he went into the camp. We repelled then, and, you know, we were trying to find the CIA said they probably were, the POWs was probably in the middle camp. We got to the first one, and we killed the guards, but we didn't see any POWs. then their reinforcements come in. We killed all of them. So we're thinking how to hell we're going to get out of here.

Well, the middle of the jungle, and we don't have any POWs. And so they decided to get us out of us, so they dropped the horse down, so we had to get into the horse and be lifted up one at a time. so I got everybody in the horse and the helicopter is moving around and everybody's shooting

and I got them all in and I was the last man to get in the horse I wanted to make sure nobody's left on the ground so I got my horse in and a chopper was moving around and I got my foot in a hole and I had the horse around me.

You know, when you think about God, those were the times that I knew that God was there. And I was the only one on the ground and who was putting the horse around me because everybody had gone. And Sergeant Yerman and yelled back down to me, hey if you get hit i'll come back and get you then he left so i'm on the ground by myself now and i'm stuck there my foot it got into a hole but then i figured that

somehow i got out of the hole and my horse was on me god did that god was with me he helped me get that horse on and i took off up in the air and they were firing and my guys unloaded from the helicopter the helicopter was mostly smoke because they were just shooting on the ground and I got hit I got hit in the face and uh and my head exploded goddamn and then my right eye closed and they pulled me up and my C.O. Corman pulled me in you know and I was I was alive but I wasn't quite sure I thought boy this is it it it hurt like hell my whole face swole up and they laid me down in a helicopter, and we flew back,

and they dropped us off at the hospital. So I was in the hospital down, and they told me they were going to send me home. I said, Doc, I can't go home. You know, I gotta steal with my troops. He said, no, but you can't hardly see and your body's not in good enough shape. So we're gonna send you home.

And when they left, I called a Corman, young black kid. I say, pardon, get me a Jeep. He said, what do you want a Jeep for, sir? I said, get me the Jeep. He came back with his Jeep, and I got in the Jeep and went back to my unit. You acquired a Jeep? Yeah, what a Jeep? And I got to my unit.

I stayed with them they had moved up to Kaysan. And I had a bandage on my eye, but I could see. And I figured I'll get to KSan, and I'll stay with my troops. If I'm going to die, I'll die, fight with my troops. I went to Kaysan. But before I went to Kaysan, one of my guys says, hey, hey, Lieutenant,

I got a flight going to, Hong Kong. Where'd you like to go? I said, yeah, what the hell? I don't mind. So I got on a plane and went to Hong Kong. I don't mind. What'd you do in Hong Kong?

Yeah, that's my niece is here. I don't want to tell that story. I don't want to tell that story. Yeah, it was interesting. But I spent five days there. R&R. But. The British owned Hong Kong at that time, but there was an assassination attempt on my life.

I never told her these stories. Her son graduated from MIT. Damn. Yeah. You don't look old enough to have a son graduating from MIT. MIT. Yeah. Good job, huh?

So how long was LAP with you guys? Because I remember hearing another story that you had him sleeping in your tent with you. Yeah. And he went out to use the restroom one night. You were worried the Marine guards were going to shoot him because they'd think he was a NVA spy. You know, LAP was 19 years old, a young guy. And the CIA had given them to me, so I kept him in my tent with me.

And he knew some English. And when I got a picture from my wife, I showed it to him. And he left, you know, and we had fun talking about things that he could talk about. And I asked him, why did he escape from the P.O.W. camp that he had. put him in. And he said he was tired of being in North Vietnam. And he went to, you know, the Americans were helping the South Vietnamese. So he went to come to South Vietnamese so he could enjoy all the things that the Americans had. We had a lot of stuff. And he wasn't getting anything in the POW camp. So he escaped. CIA picked him up. So I

got him now and he went to talk about America, but a little bit of English he had and he thought that we had all everything, all the food in the world, and these kind of things

and I said, yeah, America's worth fighting for and I gave him a rifle didn't put the ammunition in it. I was a little concerned, but I don't know. This guy I might, he might turn on us, but I thought I had him. I thought I had him.

He was sleep there with him and, you know, sometime I'd wake up just to check on him. And at night when he got up, went to the head, and I thought that they were going to kill him. So I went and got him and told him, hey, lap, don't wake me up. He said, but you were tired. You know, we've been training all day. So I was a little tired, so he thought he would go by himself where

and wake me up. but when we were at the camp the POW camp I made sure I got him in a horse to get him out of there and somebody somewhere along the line said well if he was

trying to get in the aircraft why you leave him behind couldn't do that you know he trusted me and I trusted him you know I just thought that the time we

spent together and what he said about the picture that I sent to him, you know, I think he could have been any American teenager. He would have done well here in America, but he never got a chance. Now, when we brought him back, I gave him back at the CIA and I wonder whatever happened to lap. I wished I could have brought him home. You think about these things, you know, But we survived it, the O.W operation, and came back empty-handed. We grieved for a few days that we went to all this training and killed all those NVA. We didn't get the Americans. But we haven't made a good effort.

Did a really good effort. What is one of your most proud moments as a Marine? What is one moment during either war, back in the Marine? training or with your guys or you're like this is when i was the most proud well a lot of moments at my age i'm 88 years old i fought two wars i have 19 holes that i bled from i spent time in the middle east but there are a lot of moments that i was proud of uh you know it was a family man too uh i had a son i was proud of him because he was born blind and he learned to play the piano the flute the melodica the organ

well he could write in Braille and I was so proud of him he died in my arms I was holding him when he closed his eyes died of appendicitis I sued the federal government and I won the case I went to court I went to court. I told them that my son should not have died. You failed him. And they paid me a lot of money. I won the court case.

And, you know, I took that money and I went to, I gave a lot to charity and things like that. I went to California. And that's when I did the documentary and all those things. But it wasn't the money on my son. I was so proud of him because he learned to do a lot of things. You know, I missed him so much. He's buried up in Arlington with my wife and my son.

With him, I buried up in Arlington, and there's a place for me. What's your son's name? Gary. Gary. That sounds like an amazing individual. Yeah, he was good. He was good. You're parenting also

Just to have a blind kiddo Still crushed life like that Learn piano I can't play a single instrument So he's leagues above me That's amazing Well you're talking about the most important Parts in my life

My God There are times that You know like When I was given to a white family When I got sick Had some sort of childhood sickness In my folks who were farmers somehow they must have given

they must have had some connection with that family they were probably the owners of the farm and they took me in as the story goes I mean I don't know for sure but that's the stories that was passed down to me by my aunts and uncles who all pretty much lived together

and must have helped me out I live and got to to Baltimore and then went to school and joined the military. So collectively that's a proud moment for me, but when you say the most proud, it's hard to say because I've had a lot of proud moments and a lot of folks that, you know, a lot of folks that impacted my life and I would not be here had it not been for, say, Sergeant Yerman, who was my platoon sergeant.

You know, he covered my ass more than once, you know, when we run up on that tiger. You know, tigers at that time when they heard the combat, they would search out these areas and they would eat the bodies that were left behind. Yeah, but anyway Tigers would be terrifying Large cats in general are terrifying Tigers are the worst of Yeah, oh yeah

700 pounds Large large, large What Tell us about the book You wrote this how When did you write this? How long ago did it come out? Because this is

I think it in 2018 Yeah, I wrote this Some of it based on the letters that I wrote home to Addi. And I wrote a second one that's a little bit more personal. But this book, Faith Through the Storm, well, I don't know why I just named it that. And it talked about, you know, going to war.

And there's some things in here that, you know, I think that you could learn from this is a young family man going to the water, the fan of my country, and in some places in the United States, I couldn't get a drink of water at that time. I couldn't walk up to a fountain and get a drink of water. They had white and colored.

You know, I couldn't sit in a bus. You know, there were things that, you know, that I couldn't do because that's the way the country was. At that time, you couldn't. wouldn't vote and all those things. So a lot of racism, you know, when I figured that's not going to stop me.

And a lot of the units I was in, you know, I saw racism, but, you know, like nobody thought I could swim. You know, I made three combat dies in the finish of this country. You know, I swim miles and miles. I taught Marines to swim. So I would define the odds. folks said I would never make it as an officer

I made it to major and got selected for lieutenant colonel but yeah those are things that in spite of what folks thought that I could not do as an African American I could do all I wanted was an opportunity just give me a chance

you know don't say that I can't do it because it'll color my skin I could do it but now when I got the chance damn it I had to get it done you can't sit back and say well I'm here

I fought in a year in those damn jungles I fought in Lebanon in 1958 killed my first human being in the mountains what was it that your dad told you that you always remembered yeah if 10 men

start up a flight of steps you believe that you'll be the one that get to the top You have to believe that. There are a lot of things that he, my father was not an educated man. Neither was my family. You know, we were farmers, you know, and, but he had a philosophy.

And, I didn't know my grandparents. Never met him. But in the family, you know, I'm sure we were descendants of slaves. you know that's probably the way it was I don't know they came from Africa and and landed here in this country I went to a place called Bishopville where I was born a couple of years ago and that's where the slaves came in South Carolina from Africa and you read the stories how they were treated and all that is documented now they've got a museum down in South Carolina from Africa and you read the stories how they were treated and all that is documented now they've got a museum down in South Carolina that talks about how the slaves came from Africa and became slaves and learn and survive and my family is a part of that and I don't have memories of that or wasn't born then but they're descendants like I didn't know my grandparents I know who they were but I was just told that and like this

child here, she's learning because we carry that history as best we can. I don't have it all, but I do remember certain things. Didn't know my grandparents, but I'm sure their grandparents were probably slaves and whatever or descendants of slaves. But in spite of all of that, I became the best that I could be. And having that opportunity here to record this history, to be able to pass down us, it's a major honor to be able to have you here, to be able to share all that.

You're never a victim, which is you just crushed life, no matter what adversity you faced. You're like, I'm going to be the best at this. I'm going to crush it, and I'm going to come out and top and then lead from the front. And you do, like, proper leadership. It's like you'll be the first one on the battlefield, last one to leave, and you care about your guys.

And holy shit, is that so fucking awesome? I still hear him from him. You know, I had one the other day come up from Georgia and brought his wife and his daughter came up and spent the day with me. You know, I get flowers. I get calls from troops that I fought with

that survive not many of them but it's wonderful for me at my age to think back and know that I did the best I could because

I feared no man I didn't fear anybody I fought a day and night and I swam the oceans I didn't get that fear because I knew that I was a Marine I was the best there was

God damn it you're not going to feed Jim Capris you can't do that no no you can't do that I'm right now I'm in a damn wheelchair God damn it Frank is wheeling me around

but it wasn't always this way I ran from Philadelphia Duffy to Camp Magoon 550 miles Why? That's so far I don't know Let's go do that

Yeah we did that and we survived it I think here in front of us we've got a pretty detailed account of exactly how hard you were to kill Yeah Also that boa constrictor They're a hell of big. Oh, there's a picture of it in there? It's a big ass snake.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, for those who are watching this that want to read more about your story, where can they find your books? Frank has a bunch of them. Frank does have a lot of them. Frank's phone number is. But you can't order them on Amazon.

Okay, so these are on Amazon, then. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Amazon Prime, Faye Through the Storm. Oh, brother, I can't stress

how thankful we are for you to be here. I will have Nick closed. I'm sorry. Hold on. I have a question. This picture says Gomer number two.

Yeah. Well, Gorman number one, we caught down in Panama. There was a second snake. The first snake. Sir, a second snake? Yeah, we caught Gorman. one down in Panama and we brought him home and then we decided to take him up to the zoo in

Washington and he died on the way up it was cold and he died on the way up he didn't make the trip so he was him how big was this one he was about 17 feet according to me in Panama just rolling up on big ass knicks I'm keeping this That's what's wild to me You're like Guys, I got an idea The most Crazy is dope

You don't know what snakes And canoes have in common I'm taking them Getting to base And be like Can we borrow a helicopter We got snakes out And then

Yeah Everyone agreed to Everyone agreed to Just dudes Being dudes Yeah Right It was a

wild time up on that mountain out there at Deson. They hit us one night with 122 rockets and I had I wasn't sick but I wasn't able to move like I wasn't only move

so I was in my rack we had some little cots there you laid on and I could hear the artillery coming in I could hear some of the buildings being crashed I'm lying there and Sergeant Yerman hit the door and he said

Lieutenant, get out of here. I said, I can't move. And he left. And another building got hit by a rocket and I figured they were trying to walk these rockets in and I'm lying there and I could hear him being walked on the other side

and Sergeant Yerman came in So, Lieutenant, you're all right? I said, no, I came over. So he came over to me. This is Sergeant Yeran, my platoon sergeant. He came over to me, and he sat down on my rack. I said, Sergeant, you got to get out here. They're getting close.

You're ready to get out of here. One of the bravest things I ever saw or heard, he sat down on my rack, and he took my hand. She said, Lieutenant, I'm with you. I'm with you. I said, sorry, you need to get out of here, they're getting close. He said, well, if I got to die, let me die with the only friend I ever had. And then Lace went out.

He sat there with me. He died in Arizona last year alone. They found him dead in his tent. But he was a hero, my platoon sergeant. And what he said to me that day, if I have to die, let me die with the only friend never had. But we survived it. We survived it.

And he survived it. Then we didn't see each other for many years. And then I hired a company to locate him. And he was living by himself in a mountain in Arizona. And I flew out there and lived with him in his little hut there for two weeks. I caught pneumonia while I was there. My wife said, you know, you shouldn't be going out there as cold. But I went to see my platoon sergeant.

Yeah, and he's gone now. Matter of fact, I gave him that high-power pistol that I brought home from Vietnam. But anyway, those were a powerful moment. was for me and my memories because he was a hero. I will, if I can, and I asked the guys too, it was, if there's any of the guys that are still around with your team that you ever want to just fly out or have them fly out to see you, we will cover that. Yeah.

Yeah. We will cover their hotel and their travel to come visit you and hang out. I will let you know that. If you guys have any other people he's with, that's speaking for the community and all of us. We would love to cover something like that. At least we can do. We appreciate your time.

I've never heard anything quite like that. No, I've got Popo Stanton, who's my M79 man, and he got hit real bad. And matter of fact, when he got hit, he fell back on me. I was already kind of banged up, leading up against the tree. And I reached around him to take off his dog tags because I thought he was dead. and blood was coming out of his mouth and his nose. And I said, corporal, we're going to get out of here. He said, I don't know, Lieutenant, I don't think we're going to make it this time.

I said, yeah, we will. We're going to get out here. He said, yeah, we're going to get out. And another bravest thing I ever heard, he said, hand me a rifle, sir. I can still fight. Just hand me a rifle. I could still fight. He's lying on me.

And my carman ran over and jumped on me. He said, Lieutenant, you've been shot. He said, damn it, Doc, I know that. You know, I believe in a little place. He gave me the news. Lieutenant, you've been shot. Well, damn it, Doc, I know I've been shot. Get off of me.

And he bandage up what he could. Put bandies on us. And he looked at the dog, but the dog was gone, you know. But he checked every man. Everybody was wounded. No casualties except for King, the war dog. But everybody was wounded badly.

And we called in the helicopter, and they landed in the middle of chaos. But, you know, we got on. And there were so many stories about individual troops, ones that I knew, you know, and they were like my sons, you know, the kid who did the mail, he'd come over sometimes, hey, lieutenant, you got two letters of your wife.

You know, and when I got wounded, whatever time it was, I was in my tent, couldn't get out, he'd come into my tent, the mailman, bring me mail. Or sometimes the guy from the mess hall, We were out for four or five days and didn't eat very much food

They'd bring me food for the mess hall You know You hear the mess cans Dangling And they'd come in there And give me a meal You know Everybody's helping each other

You know The motor tea guys You know I had a Jeep there That I used It run around the area They'd made sure my jeep was always ready to go.

You know, all these, the comm guy, the radio guys, everybody was working to keep us alive in the field. And when we came back, they gave us food. Or they come back and every man was able to have one beer. And when I got commissioned, I decided, well, I walked down to the officers club. So I went down to the officers club I had never been in the officers club before

And And it was different Kind of dark in there There was a little bit of music playing So I walked in And I looked around All white guys of course They all looked at me

But they went back to doing what they were doing I walked over at a bar And I ordered a rum and coke And I stood up and I stood there and looked around. Damn, this is the officers club. I'm an officer now. And then the door came open and this huge guy was at the door. And he started walking toward the bar and I'm at the bar. I'm thinking, oh shit, it's on now. He's going to say something and I have to tear this damn place up. I'm standing at the bar and he walked over. He looked at me, stopped in front of me. He

looked in front of me, and I'm thinking, how do I take his throat out or something shit like that? I'm thinking about killing this guy. He's choosing violence. Yeah, I love it. He looked over to me and he said, hey, lieutenant, God damn, it's so good to see it.

It's about time, and he shook my hand. He said, let me buy you a drink. He's never seen a black officer before, but he's, I'm thinking about killing this son of invention, and he's, I mean, just natural because he walked over at the ball and I thought it was going to be a fight.

So I'm prepared to kill this guy because I'm good at that kind. I have a third degree black belt, karate and savati, Akito and judo. And so... Nine millimeter. Yeah. Black belt and click power.

Yeah, 5, 5, 6. 3rd degree of black belt, 5, 6. But the guy was a pilot and he was so kind to me he said I've never seen anyone like you

in this club but he said anytime I can help you it's about time and I felt foolish because I felt I'm going to kill this guy and he's

slowly put the knife down yeah so put the knife down but you know at that moment you know I learned something everybody's not bad you know and here's a guy there

or buy me a drink and saying kind words to me you know and I felt guilty because I'm the bad guy I should not have been thinking that way but in my whole life I never had folks that you know that said those kind things

to me you know they were always trying to shoot me and kill me or something like that but I learned something about how to be a gentleman and that didn't last long but it was a good experience for me welcome to a community that I had no knowledge of

I didn't know anything about being an officer but there were people like that who learned me a long way it's a learning experience and I used to teach my troops after I became a senior officer I would teach my young officers everybody's not bad

you've got to give this guy a chance man well said I have that was this is one of my favorite ones yeah me too for sure hands down these are you I'm specious you said you weren't good at this podcast stuff before we started

you're showing all this up as what's going on here this was amazing happy to listen we were just locked in yeah you know you did great crushed it brother crushed it Nick you ready to close yeah absolutely

thank you for coming to one of other than maybe my favorite episode of the unsubscribe podcast. I was joined here today by Eli Double Tap, major Jim Capers, Brandon Herrera, and myself. See you guys later. Fat electrician, not donut operator. Bye you guys. I didn't notice.

Bye. What, we taste the same? What? We taste the same. You don't know my name