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But first, we should introduce how you guys know. other. Well, everyone knows Jack. Jack is our long time pepper box boy. Should I have high energy or and be try to be funny on this show or should I come in now that I'm a I'm a filmmaker? Should I come in more with like a Ken Burns type of tone? Should I take myself a little too seriously? I think you should take the all of Gwatt and apply your artistic interpretation over it. I don't want you to stick to facts. I want your artistic interpretation. It cuts back his feet or I was actually hoping maybe turn into a dance.

Yeah. I'm actually after this project that we're going to discuss today, I'm producing Guat the Musical after this. Yeah. It's going to be a 20-year-long musical. So we're going to have like eight intermissions. Gwatt the musical is beautiful, Jack. I'd expect no less.

There's a number in there where it's a guy singing about he was there for the original 0,200,03 years. and he's a great beautiful song I wrote about him going to war with his son by 2020 so yeah that's the guat baby i hate how true that is explain your friend this is adam schwarzy uh pepperbox is releasing its first ever film uh two hour feature length documentary about the battle of uh nizhaf that happened in 2004 i'm saying this as someone uh as someone who wasn't there but has interviewed a lot of war veterans and a lot of different conflicts. This is one of the gnarliest things I've ever

heard about. And I wanted to tell these guys' story because unfortunately, in 2004, while those guys were out there fighting, it got kind of overshadowed in the news cycle. So a lot of Americans don't know that this insane battle happened.

You can train for desert warfare. You can train for jungle warfare. You can train for mountain warfare. You can train for urban warfare. Nobody ever prepares you to go into the most holy ancient cemetery in the Shia Muslim world where there's catacombs and 12-foot tombs clearing it out World War I style in 125 degree heat against a well-entrenched militia of a few thousand locals who know the lay of the land way better than you do and I'll have

and I'll have the high ground and I'll have the high ground and by the way this wasn't a planned operation some lieutenant walked into the wrong place one day and then it kicked off a month-long battle that he kicked a hornet's nest. This is a like a butter bar or just say first lieutenant. Yeah. He's in the film. He's one of the guys we interviewed. Yeah.

So a resupply convoy just made like the wrong turn. Yeah. He walked into the wrong place and it, they thought McTadol Sauter was the, this is like the most lit horror movie ever. It is a horror movie. It is a horror movie. Like literally took a wrong turn down the road,

wound up in a cemetery full of things trying to kill you is insane. Well, if I can just, I don't know this story. That's why I was super excited. And then I was like, I, it's the options of like do a bunch of research or as I am with all my friends, don't watch anything they do. So that way you get a general reaction. First and source right here. Because it is for me, all my deployments, I've never heard this. And I have like a different deployment than your average one.

But when I hear stories like this or read briefly, I'm like, holy. shit what how did this happen and then just you guys being able to tell that story is insane because again fighting in catacombs how many catacombs did you fight in jack zero yeah i stayed my i stayed my ass on that vehicle i zero myself yeah these guys and you know adam was there and he can speak to it better but purely from the person that put this together and did the interviews I've never heard anything like this in my life. And like you just said, it is a horror movie combat that these guys were in. And again, nobody prepares you for that kind of fight.

And there's never been anything like it before or after. And the first three days, it was just one battalion of Marines basically versus, what do you think? 50,000. 50,000 militia members in the cemetery and surrounding the, the city. How, I'm sorry, how big is this cemetery? 600,000 people and the largest cemetery in the world. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's, I think from what I recall, it's about 14 by 14 square kilometers large.

This is the holiest place in the Shia religion. So the guy, you know, there's the Sunni and Shia Muslims. They get along. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Like the Catholics and Protestants of Ireland. Just like, we had to separate them in East Rashid. We had to build.

barriers because the inner just the fighting between soonie she has was so bad it's like okay we'll just block them off and then they won't fight each other yeah it was our fucking job somehow so all in one place who's whose call was that at the military i would i would pay money to be sitting in that officer's tent being like hear me out segregation yeah we thought the same thing's like we're segregated people they're like wow they're not going to get a long. Trust me. There's a reason why Saddam acted the way he did. Well, I mean, largely it just did neighborhood gentrification by the second, third, G-Wock deployments. They all sorted it out themselves. Yeah. Yeah. These are beef that,

beefs that go way back before America showed up. Yeah. We thought we were just going to navigate around that one. Yeah. We got it. What could go wrong. What could go wrong. You know, the United States of America in the last 50 years, we really think things through. Can you imagine right now in America if you removed all the government, all the police what happened right now between our own civics right now? That's basically what happened. Honestly, I bet it'd be a lot chiller than people think. I know.

Don't get wrong. Not Accron, Ohio. Well, there is that. I'm just always finding your excuse to go after Akron. That's all. I got no real beef there. Sorry, guys. So how'd you guys meet though?

We literally went to boot camp together. Yeah. We met on the bus getting shipped off to boot camp. Okay. So were you there when Jack got shot? I was not there on site, but he was the first Marine. I knew that I actually got shot. He was like this cool guy.

He's the coolest guy ever to get shot. Like national press, the base commanders going to this hospital. Like this guy was a freaking movie star before we didn't get out of school of mtree. I want to even top that. Adam didn't just do three deployments in some of the gnarliest battles of the Iraq war as a Marine. Also a Navy, career Navy seal afterwards. So for me to be the first guy he knows that got shot, I'm really honored, dude. Force on force.

Guns clear, slap, and this wasn't like we are in combat and I got shot in the intensity of combat. I got shot in an armory in California. Yeah. Okay. You bring it up every time. I know. But such a great story. Of all the combat trauma, this is still one of my favorite stories.

One, he didn't die, too. It's just a funny Marine. Marine story. My battalion, by the time our enlistments were all running up, it was just nothing but Purple Heart license plates in that parking lot. And I was like, the only guy in the battalion had a gunshot wound from another Marine on Camp Pendleton. Yeah.

Yeah. You and Marty somehow both got shot in basic training. Marty was a Ranger who did like six deployments. And to get shot in basic training is absolutely wild. Do you know that one? No. Yeah. Was it Marty was just wrong place.

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Yeah. And then they looked and like, oh dude, he got shot. Oh, shit. Like it was like, go and boy shot. You want to hear a tie into this movie too? The instructor who, and I, the instructor who was the first instructor

to show up and grab my arm and start attending to me after I got shot was in the best. battle in Najaf, and he'll actually be a big part of the story because of his role in the battle. No shit. So you guys met in Basic, and then... We did our school of infantry together, and he went to 1-4, and I went to LAR. And so 1-4, they were the ones that...

They were the ones that kicked off the battle in Ja'Ov, and then the army came in, and it became, you know, a pretty big fight. And after the... You ended Navy Seals after... Yeah. Damn. Okay. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Thank you. Thank you. I know we all hate that. What if there was like a human centipede for thinking, for a bunch of veterans thanking each other for their service all at the same time? We could start it right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Just all. Yeah. But it's like done and so our hands are all glued together, saluting each other. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm, again, it's amazing to see what you did for Pepperbox and to make this possible. And thank you, like to be able to tell a story, retell that story and then capture it for the very first time. Well, thank you. Because I got involved because Jack had some friends that were in this theater and this war. And this is such an untold story that really had some not overarching strategic implications, but there's a lot of guys that did amazing things on the field of battle that nobody knows about. And I don't know how sad we're going to get on some of the stories, but a lot of guys made the ultimate sacrifice.

And so I wanted to just get their word out for the guys that we didn't bring home. There's some really courageous American patriots and heroes that I'm so pumped to be a part of this because Jack has done honored by their sacrifices for this project. I think a lot of the times it is these stories. it's it's you probably thought it was the norm that was your first experience and you're like holy shit this is what everyone's dealing with i've talked about it multiple times it's like my experience is like oh everyone's been at least like 20 30 gun fights i thought that was the norm and then you get out and you find out oh shit i guarantee probably your entire seal career less gunfights

than that yeah it's brother that's it nine deployments been to like 75 plus countries that conflict was the most kinetic environment of my entire career. People do not see that and they don't understand that. That's why I think these stories are extremely important. These stories that are going to be in the film and it's just literally it is a sliver because I've talked to a lot of other guys offline who have helped with the film that were in Najaf. And, you know, one guy I talked to is like, yeah, I got a like a navcom with a V. I picked up a 60 inch 60 millimeter mortar tube and killed two insurgents running through the street.

I'm like, what? Jesus. What these guys did in the cemetery and around the city of Najaf is literally the definition of uncommon valor was a common virtue. And again, kind of the politics of it, they were in an army chain of command. So this battle has never really made itself into Marine Corps lore because this Marine battalion was part of an army chain of command. As Colonel Mayer, who's in this film, said, he made an interesting point.

the Marines of 1-4 are probably in the Battle of Najaf are probably more well-known in army history than they are Marine Corps history, which is very interesting part of this battle. They were kind of like a bastard Mew battalion out there on a Polish army base reporting to the army. And so these guys never really got the coverage that Fallujah did a couple months later when that was a planned operation. And you had an army of media there going into the city with these Marines and soldiers where Najaf was one lieutenant, kicked up a hornet's nest, 25-day battle ensues. And it was a very anticlimactic ending to the battle itself. Thankfully.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, because I was there when we were going to go do the big push and take the, you know, everything's surrounding it. And would have been, you know, we lost seven directly, hundreds wounded, but we would have lost, like, a thousand guys it would have been a big deal had we gone in there and done that major one in four marines in one in battalion landing team one four are documented as have having been wounded during that battle that's not counting the god knows how many that weren't documented because these guys were getting peppered with shrapnel and they didn't want to be pulled off the line so dudes weren't telling people they got wounded and we lost our medical officer i think there was some drug related stuff we lost our

medical officer for the battalion so all we had was a senior chief i'd Corman for like the whole battalion. So who had to document the Purple Hearts. And so most of our like, it's been 20 some years later. I just found out an email yesterday two days, three days ago that my Purple Heart was like tentatively approved. And like, if you've tried quitting smoking or vaping and you keep going back, well, you'll have to try our new sponsor, Fume. Uh, uh, uh, your willpower isn't the problem. How you're trying to quit is.

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The saddest part, and I'm so glad that you guys are getting this out there. I really appreciate it because there's guys who are missing their combat action ribbon still to this day because of the administrative paper trail. It's not because I'm talking crap about the chain of command, but we are running so hard and gunning so hard that a lot of these records just got dropped. There was nobody planning the back in for all these awards, basic administrative things. And to Jack's point, guys didn't care about Purple Hearts, guys didn't care about their combat action ribbon. They didn't care about documenting any of their shit. They just want to get their gun on. And largely just by the way the conflict developed, this is truly, you know, you guys are veterans.

Like they were just there for their guy that are left and right flank because it was a very kinetic situation. It was great. We were lucky enough to have Sammy Lee Davis yesterday on Medal of Honor recipient and him just telling that story of looking across the river and being like, oh, my guys need me. And he's been hit by like 30. Got hit with like, yes. 30 or 40 flichettes out of a beehive artillery round. And then he'd also been shot in a leg with an AK-47. And I think by this point he had broken his back.

And then swam across got all three guys and then tells the story of couldn't pick all three up. So he's like dragging them and then laying down in the middle of the night. And then when the NVA is walking over him, if they look at him, then we'll shoot him. And then he gets back. And this is like the Forrest Gump story. Yeah. Yeah. And it is.

No, it's literally the story that inspired Forrest Gump. Oh, yeah, it's got to be right. No, it is like literally they use that in the movie. Yeah. The Forrest Gump getting the Medal of Honor is real footage of him and they just superimposed Tom Hanks over it. Oh, yeah, yeah. So hearing these stories is, it's wild.

And a lot of people don't realize like medals or Purple Hearts. It's the guys, they don't realize they want to just be back out in action. Or at that time, if you're losing some of your medical command, it's you're back out the next day. There is no time off. I've told that story. I got shot and then I was back out the next day. And I didn't realize there was supposed to be time off.

And then I didn't realize I was getting a purple heart until six, 10 months later. And they're like, you get a purple heart. And I was like, for what? It's like, you shot. And I was like, huh? I will say, we didn't get to cover it on the podcast. So Sammy, he showed up in full dress uniform wearing the medal of honor.

Like he looked great. And like mid-podcast. I think Cody didn't know what a flichette round was out of a beehive round. And I go to try to explain it. And Sammy is like, I got this. And he like moves the Medal of Honor aside and unbuttoned his shirt and pulls out a flichette round on a necklace. And he goes, the one of the real flichette round that was in me is at home. This one's made out of the gold from my teeth.

It's like mad drip. Yeah. Thank you for service. I'm not being sarcastic about it. I've never seen anything cooler than a 78-year-old man be like, check out my chain. Like, bro. Literally, he reached it. It's like this.

And it's like the gold made from my teeth. And we're like, can you imagine being his grandkids for like show and tell? Like, you know, everyone's bringing in, you know, their, uh, their painting or whatever. It's like, my grandpa's going to show you his war wounds. So he was, he is very open about a lot of things. But like, it, through asking questions, it became, came obvious. He didn't want to go into like excruciating detail about the battle and actions itself, which is completely fine. So I didn't get to ask him about it. But one of the questions

I wanted to ask him about was in his book, which I read before the podcast, so he was artillery guy. He was manning artillery. They got ambushed and they basically slammed the howitzer straight down. And he was firing anti-personnel rounds straight at oncoming waves. He runs out he runs out of anti-personnel beehive rounds, switches over to high explosive, runs out of high explosive and the only thing he has left is propaganda rounds which we're supposed to like you're supposed to rainbow that shit and disperse pamphlets yeah leaflets all he said in the book was that's all he had left and it turned out to be really propaganda turned out to be highly effective at close ranch is what he said dude those guys because i said it was like coming from our war

looking at what they did is we can't wrap our head around it and then he had the exact same thing about the World War II veterans because he got to meet those four. The scariest part of the whole thing about like not wrapping your head around it was he talked about like 50 years after the fact. Some organization had organized him to go over to Vietnam and he got to sit down and have dinner with dudes that were at it looking for him. He was up against real NBA. It wasn't Vietnam.

It was NBA. And he sat down with like three or four guys that were NBA at that. battle. And they, A, recognized him and knew who he was. They're like, oh, yeah, no, we saw you crossing the river on that raft carrying your guys. And then one of them asked him, so he's famous for playing a harmonica. And he was always playing a harmonica when he was up at night watching his thing because, like, then everybody knew everything was okay. If Sammy was still playing his harmonica, everything was fine. One of the NBA guys asked him if he brought a harmonica and asked him to play it because they knew he was the one playing the harmonica.

And it's like, how fucking close were you guys to me when they were watching him? Dude, we're the NBA. We were watching you the whole time, brother. Yeah. Dude, this story's again. And then he played the harmonica for us. And it was we all, that was one of the few times I got chills on the podcast. It's just everyone shut the fuck up.

And we're like, and Sammy is fantastic of it. We all plotted afterwards. But seeing and hearing that story is just something where you're just, just figure you guys would appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. It's that next level of, holy shit, these guys went through this. And then he was talking about the World War II veterans that he met. And then him getting the Medal of Honor and then being like, shut the fuck up and sit down new guy.

This is a Medal of Honor recipient. I'm like, holy shit. He's friends of Clint. Oh, yeah. So you'll appreciate this. So his first Medal of Honor Society meeting that he went to where it's all, everybody there's a medal of honor recipient, he talks about walking in. he talks about walking in he walks in the first three people he sees are eddie rickenbocker do little and pappy boington all sitting next to each other let's throw you less than says

grand in there while we're out yeah no shit like the three of the biggest aviation legends ever and i guess pappy boington walks up and shakes a sand so you're the fucking new guy huh like coming from pappy boington like he's like uh 23 year old kid like that's like three people that like are solid contenders for like the Mount Rushmore of American aviation ever and he saw all three of them at once and Maverick would be fourth right?

Yeah for sure. And they're just chilling. Oh, okay. Fucking go on. I'm sorry, real quick. Sorry, yeah. Oh, does anybody want coffee? I'm good.

Thank you. I'm good, thank you. Now go on. Okay. Well, I mean, Adams, Adam's your first-hand account here of everything. But, yeah, we're putting out Pepperbox's first feature, length film on this just insane thing these guys were a part of. It will drop the exact same day that this podcast airs, if I do remember it, right? Yep, August 15th, Saturday, August 15th, early morning.

It'll be going live. And, yeah, it'll be up. We've got a lot of great people that have been supporting this and a lot of great people that were involved with this both on and off camera. The fact that these guys, I just want to state too, one of the hardest things about creating something this size is assembling the roster. It's getting people on board to volunteer, to go on camera and talk about, you know, what can be for a lot of people very sensitive part of their lives. I started, you're going to see in this film, you're going to see a lot of LAR guys in this film. They were just one platoon while they were in this battle.

Well, the hardest thing to do is assemble the roster. So I started with the people I knew well, the guys I served with. And it became advantageous for a couple reasons. A, once you've shot everything, then you have to assemble all the photographs and all the imagery and all that. That can be hard getting a hold of people to do that. The good thing is the guys I served with, I can just text them and be like, hey, asshole, I need these pictures from you.

But it became a blessing in disguise, too, because these LAR guys, now, guys like Adam, they were line company guys. They were, you know, they were in the cemetery. All they had, well, all they had with them was what was on them, where these LAR guys had room to stash cameras. So we have a lot of never-before-seen video footage of this battle that these LAR guys were able to catch her with their cameras that became very instrumental to telling this story visually. shots of the cemetery, all that kind of stuff. This is 2004. 2004, but August of 2004. This is predated.

This is like 720P. Like, you're looking at 480. Like, this is not HD quality or it's just getting in there, which is. We just talk about that today. Like, people didn't have cameras back then. No, like, yeah. Your phone had goreos on their helmets. There are no gopros.

That was way before that. It's like having a digital camera. When that started like kind of happening. we have one gun uh gun fight so ferratina filmed it on a camera from one of ours and that again unheard of so 2004 is absolutely ridiculous to have that footage yeah yeah holy shit yeah the only thing that's even close to this severe clear do remember that yeah there's like one platoon commander and like charlie company had like an old camcorder that he took to combat that was like the only i think that was oi f one that was our first one four deployment but like nobody had

camera so the fact that you some of that video I saw today I was like holy cow I don't this existed so really appreciate that you found the way to get that well it was my LAR buddies and again I could be like hey asshole I need that footage where if I'm hitting up Colonel mayor from footage you know I got to be a little more Colonel mayor who is the battalion commander of 1-4 is in this film and provide what I really I was talking to Adam about this earlier there's great perspective from the guy who was the battalion commander down to the E-3s and the fours that were in literally in that cemetery. So it has all perspectives from that battlefield.

This isn't this isn't some documentary about the history of the battle or this is, we don't really touch on the politics too much. It's literally just about the guys who got thrown into the thick of this fight and what their experiences were. And in this battle that again, like I said, nothing like it has ever happened before since. And just really quick,

This is for everyone out there watching this on YouTube on Saturday. This will be on Pepperbox. So go check it out on Pepperbox. You get your two-week free trial. If you want to watch it and sign up, it's $7.99 a month, but you do get a two-week free trial. And if you want to leave a comment of how handsome Adam looks right now. You compliment him. Leave all the comments on everything also in the thing.

Tell Jack he's more handsome. no there's a there's a certain subset of women i feel like just are about that like the dude like just like the dude like oh yeah it's the typical like this guy doesn't give a shit yeah yeah but like yeah it works surprisingly yeah that's what i'm saying like yeah this guy doesn't care at all yeah yeah girls like that yeah everybody's talking you uh he's a good wingman right yeah i just want a redhead I just want a redhead with big jugs. Jack's a simple man. Redhead, big jugs, some freckles.

I'm happy, man. The Wendy's girl? Oh, yeah, you just described Wendy's. How did all of this start? What was the first thing? Yeah, I didn't know that. What is the etymology of like this whole concept? Well, first, you guys did the battle.

Okay. From the top, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for your service. Not sarcastic. No, so long story short, so I served with some of the guys that were in that battle in my first deployment. And these guys have been very close with me. I've been to their weddings.

I've lived with some of them. We've stayed close the last 20 years. And I also know a lot of Fallujah veterans. Rightfully so, Fallujah has a lot of name recognition. That was a gnarly fight. because this battle in Fallujah happened around the same time and because Fallujah was a more planned operation. Not a lot of people know what these guys did in Najaf.

And it's hard for them to tell people because there's no base, you know, Felujah, I can say like, I was in Fallujah and be like, oh, yeah, I remember that was all over the news. For the battle Najaf, that's, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, for a lot of you, Najaf, that's been a harder thing to navigate with the public understanding what that battle was. And so I wanted to basically, I wanted to tell my friend's story of what they went through. And it started with, I called my LAR buddies because I knew who to call. And then, you know, they're like, oh, we got to talk to this person. And then it was Mike Borneo who's in the film. He's that lieutenant

I talked about who started to kick the whole thing off. And then Mike put me in contact with a guy named Oscar Rodriguez, who lives locally here, who is one of the company XOs. And then I eventually I was put in contact with a guy named J.D. LeHugh, who was one of the first sergeants, he had a Navy cross going into that deployment from the invasion of Iraq, so already a highly decorated guy. Then I was put in contact to Colonel John Mayer, who was the battalion commander for all the Marines during that fight. And I said, shit, we have us a film right here.

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slash unsub. That's Q-U-O. dot com slash un-s-U-B. Thank you to Quo. Back to the shitty content. And recorded these guys' testimonies and recollections, and everybody was perfectly vulnerable and open and honest. And I think 20 years later is almost like a sweet spot because it was far enough away

that you've gained a lot of wisdom and a lot of. the pain is gone and you have wisdom from it and you've had you know you're in your 40s now you've had time to think about these things but as all it's also still pretty fresh in your memory um so we were able to capture you guys in a in a way that they really weave the picture well of what their fight was like and and like i've said this isn't a raw raw guts and glory type of and it's certainly not one of those oh war made me sad kind of stories this is just a perspective of grown men in their 40s putting themselves back in their E3, E4 mindsets and talking about this gnarly fight that they, that they were in.

Yeah, you know, not to pump your tires, but I will. Like you, from what I've seen so far, you did really good job of not glorifying war, but this is a matter of fact, experiential from the boots on ground of this is just what happened. Yeah. From a story that you probably haven't heard of and a, I swear like just. No, not on this. But just like this crazy battle that nobody knows about that deserves to be known,

especially for the hundreds of casualties and boys we left down range. I mean, this is a battle that should be known. You did a good job of just a matter-factual, like crazy experiences from the guys that were there. And I didn't think about like, yeah, it is the right spot because five, ten years ago, I still weren't able to open up about it. I didn't cry like a bitch, but I got close to. And if it was too much down, further down, I probably would have started to forget some of like the really salient. parts of it. So you guys did for a good job of that. I wanted to put it in the film,

but there was a part where he just broke camera. He's like, you're not going to make me cry, Jack. And I was like, I should put that in the movie, actually. No, I didn't put it in there. No, those are those moments I think, I hope I put it back in. It's a moment where I, as a dude, it is hard to have that emotional response or even show that little emotional response to the public. Again, maybe still or I've been to combat. You don't think of yourself that way. But it is one of the hardest things to the show to the public. I have on one of the Unset up episodes, I can be crying. And it is, I sent that one.

I was like, I am never watching that episode. I am never, I don't want to hear about it. I put that out. And that's fucking it. Never tell me about it. And everyone is extremely sweet. I still never will watch that fucking thing. It's like, I've never, I've never cried before.

No, but we saw you, Eli. What are you talking about? Just gaslighting people. It didn't happen. Yeah, but real. war fighters are two things. The guys who have really been there and done it for the right reasons, they're, they're quiet professionals.

They don't like to talk about the deed. And they certainly don't like to show, you know, that weakness, a perception of weakness. So both those things. It's not romanticizing it. That's always my biggest tell. It's like if Mike Weimer, Sergeant Major Weimer of the Army, that was one of the things we connected on instantly. They were asking about like military war.

He was like, oh, and I was like, yeah, I've been joined, got a gunfighter. That fucking sucked way more. And I thought and he's like, that dude's been shot at him. Mike Instant was like, homie's been shot at if he's had that response. And I got to witness it with you and Brent Downing, who's in the film,

they're still very close to this day. Like, think about it when you get together with your old military buddies. You guys aren't reminiscing about like this. You're laughing, man. You're happy to be around this person. Yeah. Oh, dude.

Just shout out to the guys because next month, September. Y'all are invited if you want to come. We're going. I haven't got to see them in a decade. And we're all meeting up over a decade. Dude, do you serve with? Yeah.

Oh, that's awesome. Dude, that's so important, man. Dude, I'm so fucking stuck. Are you doing it in Midland, Texas? No, God, no, Jack. Okay, all right. We just get yourself. If you're ever in Midland, Texas, go to Jumbarito.

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this and then the lieutenant's perspective like the guy that kicked it off because as you guys are saying it's like he kicked this off by accident how was his Mike Borneo and you served with him in your first he was one of your in your company your first appointment right yeah yeah so he knows Mike way better than I do Mike Borneo is uh even to this day is a very high tempo he's from juries from north jersey uh he's a jersey guy a lot of energy with that guy there could have been no better person to tell the story of how this battle started than then Mike Borneo who started the battle yeah uh he showed up in one of those shinesty suits that was like a camo pattern.

Urban, Erbin diggy camo suit. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I told everybody in the email before, you know, before we started filming, like, just, just dress as, you know, you would for, you know, in your every day. However you feel comfortable. You showed up in a camo suit. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Mike. Yeah.

Mike Borneo. And then, yeah, there's just David Lewis who's in this film. You know, this is. not to give too much way. You were in David Lewis's company as well. A miracle. He got shot in the head, not to spoiler alert, but he got shot in the head with an RPG.

He caught an RPG with his face. Yeah. It didn't go off. And he was. That would a suck. Yeah. It wasn't not a great experience from him, and we'll show that in the movie.

Not soft. No. No, he's a stud. Yeah. And a miracle. He kept going. He too. Yeah.

He was a little reluctant to be in the film because he was like, well, I got taken off the battlefield the first day because of my wounds. He becomes a important part of this story because, yes, as we continue in this 25-day battle throughout this two-hour film, we always go back to David Lewis in the film because people have to realize it's not just about the guys that are still in the cemetery fighting. These guys who got pulled off because their injuries were so bad that they're. they had to be pulled off, they're going through their own fight. And they're doing it alone for the most part. So we continue David's story, even as the combat story continues, we always, throughout the film, we check in with David, how's his recovery going and everything like that. And that's why he became so important to the story. He represented a lot of those guys in Najaf, who their injuries were so bad. They had to be shipped, you know, to Germany and then Walter Reed and go through

multiple surgeries. And they became a leader back here. Yeah. Well, the battle's going on. He's like leading Marines and it was like a morale guy. He was in Walter Reed and he was like the only officer that was wounded in his ward. So he was walking around to every single Marine and soldier that was in that ward at Walter Reed checking in on them every day, raising their spirits as he's as he's blind. And a lot of these guys, just from the civilian perspective, a lot of people do not realize when that happens, they get taken out day one, day two. Now they have this regret or remorse because survivors go to it to a degree where I'm not helping my guys I'm not there with them and it it's more of an emotional toll on them even though they're out of the battle now they have

to deal with that by themselves and a lot of people do not get that survivor's guilt that's a so the when I there's three of us had an LPOP and a 120 landed in between the three of us two of us got like frag thrown through a wall knocked unconscious but largely you know okay the other guy you know literally like you jack and i like a 120 lands between the three of us you and i get thrown this way jack turns into a piece of swiss cheese this gives the guy his name sergeant harvey parkson had kids family was a marines marine my sergeant my section leader how the flip does that happen like you and i why that why this guy why jack it's just so for like a decade plus i man i had so much survivor's guilt from from that alone um but that's why i just appreciate

of you guys given the time to tell like harv's story and you know hard was we lost two of my 12 guys in my section and i think another two or three were had purple hearts or you know casualties somebody left out of their scarred as one of the hard ones and it's the stories that need to be heard and again we did you all are doing the hard part with telling the story making this possibility we had the easy side it was just like give you guys a platform easy this fucking thing we could have ever done it's like Thank you, though. I really appreciate it.

You guys need a platform? This is the purpose of the upper box. Everyone's been on board, and I'm so grateful for that. Because I didn't do a lot of, I didn't do like a, I didn't show up with a PowerPoint and a, this is why we should do this movie. I was like, hey, guys, I got this idea. Greenland. I'm like, really? You trust me?

Yeah. I'm like, okay. Shit, this got to be good. Damn. Jacks, you don't really come across as a PowerPoint kind of guy. He was walking out to his PowerPoint. He was like, what do I do with this? I worked

You guys want my power port though? No, Jack, we don't want that. Should I be using comic sands for this? I don't know. Joker man font. Wingdings. Wingdings. Yeah.

The Joker man bought. The imagery is just literally a drawing I did of the Wadiyaasalaam Cemetery. Yeah. Dude, it's still crazy. What was the fight getting kicked off? and then your perspective of that, where it's a wrong turn or whatever is happening, in your mind what was going on.

And again, a cemetery. I don't think I've ever experienced a cemetery in any of my deployment. Yeah, 15 months. Much less like 9 by 9 miles. Yeah, that's a massive. And if I'm not mistaken, there's something like, I think it's like 6 to 9 million bodies.

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So that's the significance of that cemetery. That's why it's so wholly fighting there. Well, and that's the thing. This is a big part of the story. This is what Fallujah didn't have, what a lot of other battles in the Gwad didn't have. These guys, the holiest mosque in Shia Islam is right there in Najaf, Iraq. And these guys couldn't shoot any direction towards that mosque. And they're thrown those 120s from the mosque.

And there was nothing. They were sitting ducks in that cemetery. These guys are surrounded not just by this, the, the, the, the, the, the, Amam Ali shrine, the main mosque. They're surrounded by multiple other mosques. So they are surrounded by these areas that they cannot, they cannot, you guys couldn't. Yeah. Your hands were died.

Yeah. Yeah, the ROEs were the craziest I've ever been in my entire life. It was completely political. And there's a lot of still distaste about that. is any other battle i've ever been in my entire life it's like you get shot at we're gonna get some we we literally had our hands high on our back on fighting the enemy so we literally just sat there at night tied in the lines with ir fireflies that they could see from the high ground and just taking indirect fire all night every night just getting picked off and you like uh for your

average person it's like oh well i'd shoot him back you cannot you your your unit will not do that no one can do that and if people don't fucking understand that we followed the rules well they would not follow that that's what makes america good and people don't when they say like fuck that i'll break through no that the fact that your average 20 year old e3 e4 had the foresight and the discipline to not do that says everything about the american war fighter right there well i would have fired back but our m16s could have got that far we did like bigger guns it was like around the dome it was presidential like two blocks I make it stuff but this is like essentially what it was like the dome presidential approval a block out was four star or sec deaf and then like a mile out was like four star so it was like that so incrementally you close closer you got to the actual bad guys the harder it got to engage them with any actual weapons that would have effects on target so you know nine mile wide place we were literally just getting the squatters that were coming down to engage us but all the big indirect fire they're shooting our way we never had the ability to shoot things back at the them with any have any effect.

And it's that. And we had to listen to their prayers every night. So literally they're like praying and then like shooting at us with this big indirect mass of weapons and we're like, just to get a dog. Dude, you have to sit there and it's prayers morning. Prayer,

like I forget how many times a day, like five, six, seven times a day. I forget how many time prayer call happens. And then watching ROE change from different sectors because we had the worst in in Rashid. And then we went to Mokadiyah. And that was a wake-up call for us. Because, again, Rashid for us, very bad.

But, like, we were in a gunfight every other day, every day. And then when we're going up here, it was, oh, if they're filming you and they seem shady, you're allowed to encase. We're like, that's nice. Yeah, because we've been like, oh, they have to shoot at, they can point their guns. No. Until they shoot at you, you can't do anything. And you're like, cool. Fuck.

Yeah. Just aimed at each. other and until they pull the trigger that's the only way and now it's going like hey driving up there it looks like the moon crater the moon because all the craters and like hey it's like really bad up here and that was a wake of call but having what you guys experienced where it's like hey it's getting more restricted yeah especially where you're getting attacked from you just can't do shit and then 20 something days of just experiencing that I'm glad you get that brother because we had like weeks of that where we were just getting

at the we were getting it all we couldn't give anything back and it was the worst and just kidding KIAs after KIAs after casualties and just finally the night after my brother died in my arms still have like skull fragments in my kit and everything we do the side quest

called the Kufa Technical College which in again my entire 21 year career the most single kinetic engagement violence of action It should be a case study for every single war college, for every single service on the effectiveness of combined arms. It was amazing where it was just weapons free. We found out where their FAB was, where their like our remain behind element was where they're doing like their casualty collection and ammo resupply.

And it turns out it was supposed to be a faint. Do you know this part? It was actually supposed to be a faint for a different direct action. That Kufa Technical College was supposed to be a faint for a tier one hit for. a tier one hit for like a different intelligence thing. It was supposed to be like, hey, we're going to this cause all this, spin this up so you guys could do this direct action on this intelligence thing. Well, it turns out that where we did that Kufut hit was like 10 of the top 20 bad guys

for the entire country of Iraq at the time. And the reason why nobody knows about that is because it was so beautifully violent for whatever. This is where his LAR guys essentially, to draw like a mental map, We set LAR on the hinge. I did not. I was an E4. He was going through. You guys were busting through that college.

Yeah. Well, we didn't bust through. It was essentially just destruction rate. We had LAR studying the hinges. We had a line company, my company, Bravo company. So at that point, I was the assault section leader. So we had just all these rocket teams embedded and then a line company. But then we also had a spectra gunship and the overheads, spooky.

and then we had cobras and Huey's flying on top of us so close I could really touch the skids. We had 81s dropping stuff on the back end, closing an artillery drop in like Willie Pete after we cut these buildings open. So it was about 300 to 1,000 bad guys on target that we killed and we took like one casualty. But that was like weapons free. So you can imagine, you know, smoking 300 to 1,000 bad guys. But that's because it was for three weeks. getting the shit end of the stick. And finally you put a Marine Corps company online

with this couple cluster buildings that we knew like that's where the bad guys are and just let the boys eat. We all went Winchester. You know, I carried six rockets myself, each of my gunners and teams had like three rockets. You know, you guys went Winchester with the LARs on the flanks.

I wasn't there at him. Yeah, but your boys did. Yeah, yeah. I mean this, this was there. This literally, the only other thing like this was was Basran in OIF 1, where they cut open that Medevac track that had all the wounded, and then we got the same thing, like weapons free. If it moves, it dies.

And my first deployment, and it looked like apocalypse now. The Kufa Technical College campus looked like apocalypse now, but it was bad guys. So many bad guys. And I got repatrivation for my, you know, I'm hoping that the guy who put that 120 and killed my brother was in that. You, I mean, like weapons free going through that experience. And it's going to be hard to, it's hard to picture if you've never been in that situation, but this weeks of buildup. And when they're saying, hey, this was a distraction for the main mission, but then the main mission,

Irene, Irene, but then it's not Irene. It's you guys were the distraction. But here's actually where all the holdup was going. and then you guys were, it's almost blessed enough to fuck shit up. Yeah, God. It was like finally like, this is our time.

And that's what it's like, because now you have the tier ones going that way without realizing it's like, no, everything's happening right there. And you guys get that. Take that, Delta. Here's my question.

Were you allowed to go weapons free because they weren't anticipating that that was supposed to be a legitimate target since it was a faint? And then by the time they realized what was going on, it was just too late and it was done. unfortunately a little bit the opposite we knew there was going to be bad guys there

we just thought it was going to be all like low level guys like a like a grouping of whether they're an r and r like we go back to our fobs yeah they went back to this spot what we didn't know is that they had like they're some of them had like families and stuff like that as well there because it was literally like their base and so that's part of why that thing never got highlighted is because of there was some collateral damage and i think at the time my company commander a rumor is that like he was about to get like court martial because we we literally leveled this place and there was so much death and destruction of bad people bad guys and then later on the intel people some other level tears did a battle damage assessment it turned out that

there was like 10 of the top most wanted guys in the country were in that carnage and then oh weird now you're going to go from getting court martial to you're the best guy ever in the history of like as military and politics go so but so nobody knows about that but if you're just looking like the technical kufa raid it was again in a 21-year career the most impressive just how the military in its essence when used appropriately could be beautifully violent and I dude I we've talked about in the podcast people do not understand America restricts itself the military restricts itself it's it even now he's like oh we're losing the battle in Iran it's like we handicapped ourselves. We hold ourselves to a high standard.

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at any time anywhere we just don't we choose not to yeah people don't realize that it's fucking crazy well we're all taught the laws of war i mean i could still rattle off all the ten principles of laws of war that we got from their battle of versailles the treaty of versailles like we still teach that and we follow that in the military and nobody else has hold that standard and for good reason that's why like when we go somewhere we're fighting uh or just at bellum the wars of for a lawfully fight and jose abel we fight them in a lawful way i ain't a lawyer man i just make movies dude jack living his best laugh yeah what was one of the most emotional little pieces for you to capture jack oh wow uh um um

You know, this was a great way for me to reconnect with some of these dudes I serve with. And again, I've known these guys over the years. So there was a couple moments with them that just because I've known them so well over the years. That, you know, it was a moment for both of us, I think. But man, just talking about, you know, David Lewis earlier, he, to me, this was a guy that was reluctant to be involved because he just didn't understand why. a guy that was wounded on the first day of the battle would be a part of this story. But he became such an instrumental part of this story. And you'll see it the way it plays out in the film where we weave his experience with the experiences of the guys that stayed in there

and some of the guys that didn't come back. And it all kind of almost, I hate to say it like this, it almost married up perfectly in the film so that the average kind of person understands all the different sacrifices of war, the people that get horribly wounded, the people that get killed and are to never see their loved ones again, and the people that, for the most part, walk away from it physically unscathed. There's three different burdens that people carry in war. Yeah. What's something you didn't expect to learn?

It surprised you. Well, I just found out about the collateral damage. just about five minutes ago in the Kufa Technicor College, right? Yeah. I don't think anybody mentioned that in the interviews. I guess how did the battle kick off? I understand like you guys took a wrong turn. You wound up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But like how does this simply winding up at the wrong place devolve into this massive battle? Like what happened? You'd probably better. Because I was not there. I showed up my first night on the gun line. It was like two or three days as it was starting to spin up. So I wasn't there for the first two, three days of it.

August 2nd, 2004 is when that initial firefight happened with that, that combined, that cap-toon, essentially like a cavalry battalion going around. They were doing like support for like logistical, like a food run, weren't they? Yeah, yeah. It was a pretty good run. By the way, big part, we forgot to mention, this was the Marines' second day owning the AO. They had just got done with their left seat, right-seat rides with the Army unit that they were taking the A-O. from second day owning that a.O. is so Mike Borneo's Patoon, they get contact, Brent Downing, parts of Bravo company show up. That fight dies off after a few hours. And then something was brewing.

Nobody really knew what was going on. The Mardi militia, who that's who the everyone, the Marines were fighting and the Marines and Army were fighting in that battle. The Mottie militia, they were kidnapping cops and torturing them over the radio. Everybody knew. something was brewing. Around the night of August 4th, the police station right outside Revolutionary Circle, which is right outside the cemetery there, got overrun by these Madi, got attacked by the Madi militia. The Marines had already been sent on numerous React missions at this point. So they're starting to get a little, like this is going to be another false alarm type thing. They show up. The sun's just coming up. It's quiet out.

and then the mortars land on call these guys are bracketed the mortars are landing and then gunshots start coming out of the cemetery now they see guys starting to run across the street in and out of the cemetery so now all the marines are engaging all these guys this is the morning of august 5th you have one l-AR platoon you have one cap platoon and one platoon of 81 millimeter mortars that they don't have their mortars with them they're an improvised rifle company or rifle platoon they are engaging these guys in and out of the cemetery. This is going to be a big part of the film. I forgot to mention this part.

About three or four, they've already suffered a bunch of wounded at this point. One of the Marines of one four had already been killed. An Al Jazeera reporter has been killed at this point. My buddy Mike Ball, who will be a big part of this story. He already had to, one of his Marines already took a trapnel from an RPG for Moral artery thing, got them out.

right about that time about I'd say four or five hours into the fight from what I understand the Hueys and Cobras were doing gun runs. The Hueys were spotting the cobras were launching and a Huey got shot down a Marine Corps

Huey got shot down and so now for the first time since 1993 Black Hawk down these guys are having to recover down to aircraft personnel so they all rush to that this is that's when the fight truly

that's when they were like oh shit this is going to be a fight it was after the Huey went down they got the pilot out they got the air crew out it was after that that Colonel John Mayer who is

in this film basically called up to his boss and said hey we have to go into this cemetery this is the only way we're going to stop them at this point we're in a full on battle we can't disengage. We have to go in the cemetery. The call went up. We don't know. It could have went up to the White House, to the Secretary of Defense, but the call went up at least to the theater commander General Casey. And they were, they said, they authorized them to go into that, that cemetery.

And that will be the turning point in the film where it becomes a horror movie. Because right as the sun setting, two line companies of Marines with one platoon of Bravo company and an 81, and an 81 Patoon. They shot small rockets through this wall that was separating the cemetery from the road. And they found some holes that had already been busted out from RPGs during the earlier fight. And they went through these holes and they got online in this cemetery, World War I style. And they sat there at the edge of this cemetery looking at all these tombs. Some stacked 10 feet high, catacombs underneath. And they were told, push.

and they walked and they pushed through that cemetery all night until they got for three weeks for three weeks so I get like you have this initial contact and this initial battle

or firefighter or whatever and then is going into the cemetery like the catalysts that like got a bunch of more reinforcements and more people involved because it was like you know you guys weren't supposed to set foot in this holy place or what was

or did they really just stumble upon a hornet's nest with people by by chance or was going into the cemetery something that made it so much worse? I can't speak specifically to that, but it, I am, yes, I deduced that once those Marines entered that cemetery, because they had to, they had no choice at that point. Once those Marines enter that cemetery, that drew even more of the, the Mottie militia into the cemetery. It was an inevitable going to be a grunt-on-grunt clash, just like any civil war battle, When those two armies eventually land on the same chunk of land, there's no going back.

You're going to have to fight it out. I think you described it out perfectly, actually. So half of that deployment was really battle-hardened guys from our OIF-1 deployment. And the other half was new guys and have been, you know, just been in Iraq for nine months. We knew that this was like, we felt it. You could sense it just the way you described it actually. And I think that the there was, it was known by higher negotiations from like geopolitical and diplomatic and go for general level officers that there was like a 50,000 man militia and

mottar al-sadr was the guy who was you know climbing the rung to like fill the power vacuum from um saddam and so this is like a major figure in iraq and so this was going to happen regardless yeah and it and it just so happened it just almost happened by accident but it just happened to be that battalion and marines was there and yeah and so the marines were primarily in that cemetery for three days and that will be 45 minutes of that film is dedicated those first three days uh just the crazy stuff that happened in there eventually they knew by day three that you know they they one battalion of Marines couldn't do this alone uh so one five and two seven army cavs were sent down I believe from Baghdad and uh it's a joke from a lot of the Marines joke about it this will be in the film

but they're like we don't need the army I was like we don't need the army and then they saw all the Bradley's and tanks going down the road. And one guy, Sam Rivera, says, oh, that was the first time I realized America will never be defeated on the battlefield. He said he saw more Bradley's and tanks that they had Marines in their battalion. So the Army came and that

was definitely a crucial part of the battle when the Army showed up. Yeah, they stopped shooting at me. Yeah, it's harder to it's harder to punch a frickin Abrams than it is, you know, a fire team of Marines. But they were the Army, but,

But it's pretty fucking cool when they show up. Yeah. It's due to multiple. No, they all said it's like, oh yeah, we need these guys. But to the enemy's credit, though, they are better than people want to give them credit for. They had very good snipers and designated marks when they were shooting on all the thermal sites.

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Jay's like, um, dude, I will say just a multiple day or a like 10, 20 day battle is absolutely insane because especially in G what most battles lasted. My longest period is probably like 12 hours, give or take.

And then we'd have an engagement and it'd last either from 30 minutes to a few hours. But a multiple day engagement was so rare. And those stories are extremely rare too. Yes, we did they push through Deala River province. That's multiple day, but again...

Hey, when were you in the Deala River area? During the 2007. Oh, okay, I was there right before you. I'm a little older than you, Eli. As you can tell. A year. Yeah.

Well, I got a few things... One year difference, right? I've got things going for me that you don't. Cigarettes and white jeans. Yeah. I guess kind of piggybacking off your question, because all I do is read, you know, war history, stuff and I don't cover anything newer than Vietnam generally. But one of the weird parts to me

is hearing all these stories of dudes that have been in like multi-day long battles that obviously have a bunch of different engagements within them. And maybe it was a little bit different because it's more recent. But going back to like World War II and stuff, these guys are like, yeah, we're in this battle for eight days. And then it was just like every night, it was, okay, we're off the clock. And there's just these weird periods. And then the next morning it starts back up again. So like I guess if you from your perspective, if your experience, what was it like with the lulls in that battle where things weren't going on? Like what? I just, I can't imagine what are you doing at that point in time? Like you've just gone through

hell for six hours and you're like, do you have to remind yourself to eat and drink water at that point? Or like, like I, I get, dude, I love this question because again, it is I, we had our breaks where it's like, okay, you're pulling security. We're fucking with their guys. Like, or we're living out in sector and it's like, hey, okay, we're on rotation. You're not. You're pulling security, but you're going on a mission, whatever, but living in that. Yeah. Unfortunately, there was no really like lulls because of the indirect fire.

So there's 24-hour threat of getting a 120. And it's really eerie. The only thing I think that I hated more than IEDs is the indirect fire. Because IEDs, it's a boom. You know, you're gone or you're not. But you don't, you know, there's signs for like VBID. triggers for those. You can pick out vehicles after a while, but essentially it's a boom.

For those, it's like a three or four second that scream of a coming in and that just mentally messes with your head. And for just 24 hours a day, we were in direct threat of indirect fire. At night, the enemy did not have, they had some NVGs that were taken from our side, unfortunately. We had lost some NVGs, not me personally, but the good guys had lost some NVGs. And that's what they're using to spot. And we had our hingemen set with IR Firefly.

So imagine just like having like second shitty generation nods. But they could see our lines being set up. And that's how they walked in indirect fire at night. And then during the daytime is when the more of like the dude on dude kinetic stuff was happening. I got to say too, this isn't sexy by any means. But it's such an important part of telling the story. We dedicated three or four minutes of this film to talking about how they were, they weren't just fighting the enemy.

They were fighting the elements. 125 degree heat, August in southern Iraq. So these guys were fighting severe dehydration. And you mentioned in the film, hyperneutremia. They could not replenish salt in their body at the rate that they were drinking water. And it was going right out of their body. So they, and the heat, the exhaustion from the heat, you know, it makes you a little delirious. Like you guys were having to fight your minds as much as you were the enemy.

If I can guess this before you speak, it is you were drinking a liter or trying to drink a liter one hour. You have the white lines between your armor. And then on top of that, you will do, you will self-administer IV bags that just the drip, you do the squeeze. We used to give ourselves IV bags. But am I pretty honest? Unfortunately, we hadn't adapted to the part where we could give each other IVs. And we were always under threats. There's no like guys like hanging out doing IVs.

We were like literally on the gun line. But the white lines, yes. And I'm like, I have all the chaos and I probably just as much PTSD from hot water scalding my mouth than anything else. Because it was not even, we only had like a couple liters. But again, we had two liters of canteens to last us all day. Those crappy plastic. Yes. Before, before the analogies.

I was still like canteens. And so it was like two of the leaders just drinking scalding hot water. I still hate water. I don't drink water anymore. like it's on your vehicle it's on the Humveys and like oh just take this you drink it's like bah oh it's fucking hot this is garbage but yeah and you have no choice

you're gonna die if you don't drink that water so oh my god I mean the battle was 25 days you got there on what day three yeah so I mean you were there for 22 days no we so we had three platoons and it was like rotating out so like one back in the rear and two platoons out so I was on there for like a week

then that huge raid happened and then my company commander actually stood me down after that Kufa technical college raid for a few days because I was ready to just go berser was like Legends of the Fall where they just rides off into the horse and like comes back with all the scalps like I was I was about ready to be like Brad Pitt from that way I was so mad that's a sign of a good leader too that that that recognized you know that my company commander again we are so blessed that we that that washing machine environment that created that battle we had one of the best company commanders and then you know colonel mayor of in 21 years of service he's probably in the

top like two dudes of leaders in my military enlisted officer Marines navy seals anybody in that unit we still talked about him in the third deployment we were talking about how if only we had like colonel mayor we would have walked through fire and ran into a naked building on fire for that guy he was such a good leader um tell him about like after like the film oh no one's like maybe i'm maybe i'm wrong but being under you were there for a week in combat the entire time, constant threat of indirect fire. I have to imagine to some type of degree that you get, I don't know if comfortable is the right word, but you just get comfortable with the idea of indirect fire.

Like how did your thought process change from the first time you start taking indirect fire in that battle to just coming to accept the fact of this is the environment that I'm living in and it's not going to stop? Good question. I don't know. Can I Dude, it's really fascinating Because I haven't got to talk to somebody like with kind of the same experience.

But it's it's being so used to it when we go on. It's like those first few months you just get acclimated to the environment. You get used to it. And then you get complacent where you just stop carrying. We just, dude, I'd have night missions when we just smoke cigarettes and we're like, ah, it's not our shoes. At least it's in our cherry. We're good.

And that was for a good portion of the deployment where you're just, you're so in the zone. You're like, nope, don't care. I'm going to just go through it as long as I'm protecting the guys to my left and right. But you get complacent in hypervigilance. Like the hypervigilance never leaves for me. Like I would always be scanning, but I'm comfortable with what's going to happen next is what would happen to me. I remember not so much complacent more as just being on the gun line at night with the IDF realizing that I had no power or control. If they dropped it on my position, then it was like my bingo card was punched.

There's nothing I could do about that. And that's why I asked because there's, I just did a video on a Civil War general. And it's not the general I did the video on, but Stonewall Jackson, the Confederate general, has a quote that like that situation reminds me of. And the quote was, my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has a fixed time for my death. I do not concern myself about it. It's just a notion of like, there's nothing I can do. I might as well not be worried about it.

Yeah. And then crazy. Got shot by one of his own guys. Correct. When it's your time, it's your time. I truly felt that. It was when it was my buddy's times. It was the times we had a striker pull off.

First platoon pulled off. IED exploded and they were like holy shit we got so lucky they pulled back in base they opened they were eating chow a mortar dropped right in front of the exact same on the exact same day dropped in front of that on base striker with the ramp down and it took out five of our guys that got say him killed ham and we're like man like when it's your time it's your time yeah and that's what we just got used to that mindset it's like you're not controlling it try not to worry about it yeah if it's your time it's your time yeah i just hate iEDs and Indirect fire.

I'd rather be able to, like, see the guy, have a real fight. We, I think we lost three people to actual gunfight. Everything else was IEDs or indirect fire. Yeah. Every fucking time.

What's the meme that was going around a while back? Ukraine veterans explaining to GWAT veterans, the IEDs fly now. That is the most terrifying. You're just running from me. the fucking DJI drone doing a wedding shot. It's funny. I actually was watching some of the similarities of like they're literally in trench warfare for a while in Ukraine.

That was literally me in Najaf in the catacombs. Like just you're there. Like if an ID comes or the 120 comes, it's like, yeah, flying IDs. And remember those catacombs like there were guys down there. So these guys were in a 360 degree battlefield because those, they were. They pushed to take ground and then guys, they didn't have enough grenades to clear those catacombs. So they would push to take ground. And next thing you know, somebody's shooting behind you and you got to go deal with that now.

I know this is serious, but every time you guys say catacombs, all I can picture in my head is if there's ever like, it sounds like, you know how like action video games have like a scary level, like a horror level for the video game? Yeah. This is that for like modern warfare is like the catacombs map where it. It's supposed to be scary. It's insane. Yeah. I mean, we try to highlight it as visually as much as we can in the film and everyone's talking about it.

But that it's, again, I'm saying this purely as the person that was piecing this story together from their personal accounts. I'm like, the whole time, like, this is a fucking horror story. This is, this is a horror film these guys. Should have never got rid of flamethrowers. Seriously, that would have come in handy for you guys. But even with a flamethrower, there was tunnels. So, like, Jack, you say it right.

Like, you can do mount, you can do salk, you could do jungle, desert, mountain. It just, there's something about being in a city with refrigerator size rocks everywhere in tombs that are that size to sometimes buildings. And then always knowing that you've never cleared your back. There's never a clear lane where there's not a threat. And that sucks, especially when you're sitting in the two to four men, LPOPs, on a line, you're always like, shoot, where's the enemy coming from? For, you know, days. And again, I said it earlier and again, just talking to these guys and then talking to a lot

of other dudes offline, Adam put me in contact with one of his old platoon or company, guys in his company named Freddie Osuna. I've talked to a lot of guys that aren't in the film that have helped me out with this. And, and like, I can't say it enough. it was the definition of uncommon valor was a common virtue with these like and again since there was no structure paperwork wise

a lot of this heroism that happened there was a guy that there was a Marine who had a suck and chest wound he crawled something like a hundred guy in your company Brooks yeah the guy who and I don't know his name off the top of my head

I wish I did I'd love to give him as much props as possible Brooks was a guy in his company that had a suck and chest wound and this other Marine, you know, dehydrated, crawled through gunfire to grab him and firemen carried him like 200 yards to get him to where the EVAC vehicles were and then collapsed and became a heat casualty. Like literally made it just enough to get his brother back to safety and then he basically almost died just carrying this guy out of the battlefield. Well, every night when those indirect mortars were dropping, guys were carrying guys under fire, you know, Navy Cross-style actions that they didn't get anything for. If they got anything, it might have been like, I got an R-com for, you know, carrying my dying brother out while he was, you know, bleeding out. But I got an R-com. Most people didn't get anything.

And they're doing those types of actions for three. It was the norm. It was the norm. Yeah. And so then the elevation of handing. out metals. If it was a single firefight, I'm like, yeah, that guy, that's a silver star right there. But with those crazy things those guys were doing, it just became the norm in that cemetery. That's the interesting thing about being an infantry Marine for a decade before being a Navy

SEALs. On a seal deployment, if you're doing like a kinetic deployment, almost every guy comes back with like a B with V, a Bronzstar with Valor. But every single Marine in that company probably should have had a BV and me getting an ARCOM was a big deal. Like that was like I was one of like a couple guys. I think in my company maybe two guys got BVs from the army and that was because they did the wildest things and they happened also being like leadership positions.

So it's just interesting how those awards go and just it's almost it saddens me. It's to know that specifically I had enlisted Marines who were like the younger guys who then got out of the Marine Corps and they didn't have a combat action ribbon. Like the the system failed. I'm so poorly. Like I want their kids,

their grandkids and the, you know, the guys. So I'm very blessed now, you know, 20 years later or whatever. They're finally approving my purple heart. But I know guys who like Freddie Osuna and tell his story,

up until three years ago, that guy had a zero percent VA rating. No. Zero percent. The VA was giving him nothing. A guy that got literally blown through a wall with me was, you know, three deployments together,

zero percent VA rating. And so God willing, I'm going to correct a lot of those wrongs. We've talked about it. I've said there's problems with it because a lot of people, I don't know how you guys feel. I know there's like both sides of the spectrum. Adam has opinions.

You guys could just make a whole show when you guys going back before. Because I'm like, I got so little. And then I see people that, like, I'm at 100. I'm like, what, how many gunfights were you? And it's like, none. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. A crate fell next to me at boot camp. And I got 100%.

I'm like, wow. Wow, that's, though, we have, huh, huh. It's my fourth time, man, I'm at 60. And I have, like, purple heart, like, all my list of shit. And it's still a battle. And that's where I've, like, what's the gentleman's name that's struggling, got blown through a fucking wall. And then, what's the name?

Freddie Osuna. Freddy, like, Friday got blown through a wall. Rendering aid to our bleeding old guy in the heat of battle. I did three deployments with him. Zero percent VA rating. I don't think he even got like a combat valor for that for that deployment. And I've thankfully I had a really good first arm and really good chain of command. It's like do not worry about your fucking medals.

They are all political. Fuck those things. And we got super lucky with that because that set the standard for us. Because we rotate on base. We've seen people getting them like, wait, why are they getting it? They didn't even do anything. And like our leadership was like, don't their leadership filled up the paperwork different. Don't worry about it.

You're like, oh, okay. That's. weird. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. I have, I will help your buddies get as much awards as possible for that or disability because I do

think people that have that paperwork that shows, hey, here, I was right here and it's all the proofs behind it and it's not, well, you didn't act the proper way during a VA meeting so you don't get, you get zero percent because you bet down right. And you're like, what the fuck? homie you got sent through a wall you were part of the Avengers He had survivors guilt He's like why do I deserve for all the stuff

Because our brother didn't make I'm like oh man he's still struggling with it a little bit Freddy Wong Never served Friday Rocket Jump Freddy Oh yeah One of my favorite things he ever said He was like

Eli did they This is 2010 2012 He was like Eli do they give Purple Hearts for PTSD I was like No why

And I was like Or TBI I was like no And I'm like Oh my God You are 100% I never thought about that. TBI is way, getting a head injury is way worse than getting shot in the foot.

Like that's another thing about to put into context too. I'm glad nowadays we understand about TBI. In 2004 to get blown up and your head goes smashing through a wall, we didn't understand the significance of TBIs back then like we do now. So it was like literally like, oh, well, you're not bleeding out. so you're nose bleed you're still here yeah it's like that guy's pukin though there's probably not normal for him to be puking like that I remember at one point you had to be passed out for like a 30 seconds or a minute or something's like set the watch is he coming to

you yet like in Mr. and Robb like all right 31 seconds all right now a guy gets blown through all dude's like you should have purple hearts for tb yeah that's way worse than taking a little shrapnel dude I have so many buddies that like we had It's like 42 or 48 Purple Hearts during my, but just my battalion in my like 16 months. Like we went through bad shit. And again, the amount we would have if it was TBI related. I have buddies that got like launched IED, went through like 500, 600 pound IED punched punched through the whole of the striker, just the engine base.

Oh, sure her body feels jelly. Oh, yeah. Dude, they'd fly like. Oh, yeah. And I think it was Markford, flew from the back. from the front driver's hatch all the way to the back smacked his head and when they're pulling him out he doesn't come to until we're in a building he's like what the fuck's going on they're like oh you're good you're good not not a fucking thing we have a eight minute musical number in guat the musical about tbi dude i'm so stoked for got the musical that's what we're actually that's what this is to launch guatting yeah i'm really only doing this film for kick starter yeah i'm only doing this film to make enough money to fun, Gwatt the musical. Yeah.

Where can the people find both of you on social media and then where can they watch this amazing documentary at? I am a jacked history on YouTube and I, you can watch this on Pepperbox TV, August 15th. The film is called Battle in Najaf, whatever it takes. Starring Adam Schwarzy. I'm definitely not starting it. Adam Schwartz, I'm up on all the socials, but don't even go to my stuff.

Go check out this to see the Patriots. Well, you should link it in your stuff to go check. Oh, yeah. I'll promote it on my socials. I think I have like 3,000 followers on X or something. That's a fuck time for a lot of people. Imagine 3,000 people staring at you. Adam's terrified.

I do want to say this about Adam. He is a real patriot. I've known this guy since we're 18 years old. He went off and did his thing. But we have kept in touch occasionally throughout the years. I want to just tell a funny thing about Adam. Dude, I went and did war eventually. So I don't remember fucking boot camp.

Like, I don't remember boot camp. But one thing dawned on me recently, I went to boot camp with Adam. This is no surprise to me that he became a Navy SEAL because Adam got bored with the Marine Corps boot camp. I specifically remember him. He'd just get bored. And he'd ask, he'd fuck up on purpose just to get punished because he just was like bored. He's like, I just hope they'd faze me or something. So he would literally ask to be punished because he'd just get bored with it.

So it's no surprise he went off and had the career he did after the Marine Corps. Thanks, buddy. Yeah. He's a tough son of a bitch is what I'm trying to say. He's a hard guy. Yeah. Not me. I did four and I am making movies now.

Yeah. Jack's going to try out to be a Navy SEAL with him. How many people have to sign up for you to become a Navy SEAL? sign up for what pepper box and watch this video uh yeah if uh if we get a million views on this movie on pepper box i will go do buds oh 100 percent i will make that happen we will all make this happen because that turns

on to an entire that's a dangerous commitment bro you're gonna have to get me ready off at the navy recruiter no we're filming this and we're not participate you have to get me ready though no that's way more hilarious i will make some calls we're from the same area so I'll fly up to your neck of the woods. And you train me in your backyard to get me ready. You'll do, you'll be my. We'll document that.

We'll document that. Yeah. I just want buds to not let you ring the bell. Like really. Like he's a foreign officer. Like they won't let a foreign officer like this. You can ring the bell. Okay.

You're not. Because it used to happen is they let the foreign officers ring the bell. They send them back home. They'd execute them. So now even if a foreign officer quits, they like still force them through. I want to like make that contract. Like they don't let you quit.

Just forced to document all of it. The documentary. going to be called Jack carries the boats. Jack carries the boats. Jack leaves a six-pack. Is this my own specialized, personalized buzzer? Or do I have to be around all those 20-year-old studs? No, the real one.

You have to sign a Navy contract. And if you fail out, you're at the, you serve at the winds of the Navy. Can it just be a Buds contract and then I don't have to do anything after that? I mean, yes. As long as you finish buds, if you don't finish Buds, you have to do the five-year contract. Yeah. Three years. I like the idea where he doesn't get to quit.

He just gets forced through regardless. This is what I love this idea. Million views, we're going to make it happen. Yeah. I'm going to tell you what. I am not making it day two on that thing. Yeah. I can handle a little sleep deprivation.

Sure. I'm not making it past 12 hours, actually. 12 hours. I've seen the documentary. I know. Nick, you want to close this idea? Thank you for coming to the unsubscribe podcast. I was joined here today by Eli Double Tap, Mr. Jack Mandeville, our new friend, Adam

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