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Oh, slow it down for it. Okay, zoom in. Oh, and I put pink cheeks on. Hawaii, Eli, this early in the episode. Yeah, as the echelon explodes in my face. Like, uh, oh, Cody. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the unsubscribe podcast.

I was joined today by, I am joined a day by Eli double tap. Ian for Forgotten Weapons, Brandon Herrera and myself, Don't Operator. Thank you so much for being here. What's up, everyone? How y'all doing? Dude, we got Ian on finally after almost four years and on thousand messages. For obvious reasons, I am very excited for this episode. I'm looking forward to it. We've never heard of you.

We haven't seen this a million times. You're welcome. How you doing, man? I'm doing well. It's fun to be out here. We're excited. This is going to be the most autistic episode we have ever had. So don't kid yourself.

He's here for the AK-50, not at us, but like said, until we have a train conductor on the podcast, this is probably going to be the one. That's next week. I hope so, because I'm so far out of most of the world that you guys live in, that it's going to be gun nerdery or, I don't know, I'm just going to sit here and have nothing to say. We're here for it, man. I think we just wanted to put our two bigs gun nerds together and have a fun conversation

about gun things. Yeah, I'm up for that. I'm always up for that. History guns. I mean, this is going to be a fun one. This is everyone just get out the popcorn and listen to everyone nerd out because there is a million questions. I know Brandon probably already has a fuck ton. I had to stop some conversations before the podcast kicked off because we were already getting into stuff.

I'm like, this is such good podcast material. Yes. If you talk about it before the camera's roll, you lose it. I've learned that. I'm glad we didn't do lunch today because this is one of the ones. It's going to be a hard one. We've already nerded out before you guys got here nerding out on fire.

I was like, oh, shit. Have you ever had it where like you're recording a video and you do like this whole long spiel and then like the footage is either like no audio or something fucks up? Oh yeah. And you got to redo it and you're like, fuck, I've already said it once. So I have no idea what I have covered in the second take. No, the problem is for me is like once I've done it, a lot of it leaves my head. And it's like, oh, I have to go back to the beginning.

and go back through all of my notes and reference material, because, oh, God. And you do deep dive. So I'm much more likely to just use it with terrible audio, or if there's any way it can be salvaged, I'll use it. Give a quick synopsis for the people that don't know who you are. Okay. So I run a website and YouTube channel called forgottenweapons.com, which is essentially mini documentaries on interesting and unusual firearms. The ultimate goal is basically to have video content on every military firearm ever made, which is an impossible goal. Yeah. But it's the, that's the guiding point.

God damn, are you close at this point? You know, the thing is, I'm never going to run out. Yeah. They're fractal. Like, you know, oh, you should do a video on the AK. Well, okay, there's nine different countries that made them. Okay. And then each country did, well, we got the milled ones. Then we got the stamped ones. Then we got the five four five ones. And then we got the 5, five, five, six ones. And then inside each one of those branches is just another fractal set. But I mean, right now, you are the guy. That's crazy.

I didn't even think about that. If I'm looking of a specific weapon, history about it, knowledge, or anything, your videos are the first one to pop up. Thanks, Cody. Would you mind removing that dagger from my ribs? It's right there. If I'm going for a historic, like the, what's the, the, Oh, with the PSG-1 or the G-11.

The G-11 is a good example where it's like those, oh, I just want to see the internals really quick because you have that completely different side of content, which you both are crushing and you get to see the difference on how you present it. I feel like you're the only one who's really gotten hands on the G-11 in like a meaningful way. Jonathan Ferguson has. Oh, that's true. Well, yeah. Well, he's cheating, though.

He's got a massive collection to choose. Which one was the G-11? The crowd space magic. The brick-looking one. That call it duty black ops one I believe the one that it is wild to think you are going to hand this off to a soldier and be like hey your weapon's dirty can you fix that malfunction and then like open it up it's 4.6 millimeter caseless three round hyper burst at like 1800 rounds internals yeah yeah we talked about someone was on here before and we talked about I think that it's the one you called you just said the grandfather clock yeah like yeah so here's the thing I like I like I have have a video taking it apart, how it works, the history, what it was intended to do, didn't get to shoot it for, like, obvious reasons. It's in a collection. It's, there's no ammunition.

You ever tried to find ammunition for G11? I can honestly tell you I have not. Well, did, like, what the fuck does it shoot? They're 4.6 millimeter caseless. Oh. Yeah, it's mildly proprietary. You can't go to Baspro. I can't get caseless ammo at Bass Pro.

I have 11 rounds. How much do you think each one of those rounds is worth? I don't know. No one's actually shooting it. You can name the price. But the gyrojet, look how much if you have OG gyrojet. It's true. Those rounds are like 200 bucks a piece.

And by the way, if you have original gyrojet ammo, shoot it now because that stuff is deteriorating. And in 20 years, none of it's going to work. Today, a lot of it doesn't work. And in 20 years, none of it will work. So if you want to shoot a gyrojet, do it now. So at least one out of two, maybe one out of three rounds that we fired for the video. because I don't know how many rounds we fired that day

was maybe like 10, 15. One out of two, at least one out of three had some sort of malfunction where like maybe only half the jets actually went off and you could see it in the super slow-mo like unusable high-speed footage where it's completely destabilized. That actually would be some of the most interesting

high-speed footage. If you go back in really cool. If you look in the video, you can see some of it where like not all of the rockets are firing and it's just really weird. It's trying its best. yeah so at the g-11 yeah like i would love to shoot a g-11 but it would be it would be really uninteresting video because nothing happens nothing ejects oh yeah it's one hefty recoil impulse

and and three holes down range and that's it that's where you would need ballistic high speed just so people could see rounds leaving the barrel that's right all you'd see i think you'd see the magazine moving back and the bullets coming out and that's it so it's like there's no action all the actions in turn everything's internal it's caseless so there's no brass coming out there's no ejection port there's nothing boring ass video you're right yeah you slow that down and it is just but it's still some of the only firing footage of that that exists outside of 360p yeah that's what's crazy so i'd still love to do it but my like in my head i just i like i console myself with what

like you said get knolls and ballistic high speed up there at least to get it coming out of the barrel And then explain how fucking boring the gun is. So it's kind of cool. I don't really watch a lot of gun tube anymore. It's kind of one of those weird things. It's like it feels like work. So like I don't watch other gun tubers. I would watch the shit out of that.

If someone else films it, I'll watch it too. Absolutely. You got a guy. Yeah. This is what I want to see. So the owner of Ox Ranch, I think I can say this. I don't think that's like some sort of nuclear secret. He's got one of the early, I think it's the Steyer ACR.

Oh, yeah. I filmed that gun. Really? Probably the one he's got. No shit. He's got a couple of rounds, like the crayon looking ammunition and shit. Yeah, he's got a couple, like six, seven rounds. I don't know how much he's got, but like that's where the fuck do you find that?

That was one that I wanted to shoot. Like, that was one where there was actually some minuscule chance of shooting it. It didn't work out. But it's also, they're all flichettes. Really? Yeah, I believe so, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. That's the sort of Styre ACR.

That's what came up. What the fletettes? Wait, what the fuck's that thing for? I have never heard of this weapon, so... So the idea of the flichettes, the whole ACR program was how do we increase hit probability? Because, like, soldiers fire, and then they miss. How do you fix that? And one idea is you fire a bunch of rounds real fast before the recoil impulse hits.

Fenn, pull up the Steyer ACR. Wow, okay. One of them is, what if we shoot... Face weapon. What if we have, like, 4,500 feet per second muzzle velocity, 12,000. grain flichettes. So your mean point blank range is like 600 yards. You don't adjust for anything.

Hold center mass, pull trigger. Yeah. It's just cooking, but then no damage. So you're less likely to miss because it's just a laser beam. But then what's the damage on that probably just like not great? Yeah. And it's not going to go through fucking brick or trees or leaves. Like it'll fucking go all over the place.

One of the early fleshette, you know, they were experimenting with flichette rounds back into the 50s. and one of the early ones they ended up canning because it was causing like serious health problems for the soldiers because when the the plastic sabo was separated from the from the flichette it basically vaporized and the guys were inhaling this plastic particulate vapor from every sabo they fired at you know 1200 RPM yeah it's going straight to their balls yep microplastics dude that's where it started right there full shit rounds so the other fun Just to round it out, the other fun option in this set of, like, how do we increase hit probability is put multiple bullets in one case. So duplex and triplex ammo where you stack two or three bullets in a single cartridge case.

And they made this stuff for 308, 430 out six, mostly those two, because that's what the army was using at the time. And then the idea is you have one point of aim and the bullets spread out a bit and you get the same effect as with three rounds out of a GEO. 11 or two rounds out of an AN-94, but it's one cartridge and it fire, you don't have to have hyperburst because you're firing three bullets with one case. What was the downfall on that, though? Because it doesn't sound, I understand in theory, you're like, oh, we'll just put it all behind the single bullet. They're just in a line, but it seems like it would.

So like 30 out six triplex, you got three bullets, but in order for the gun to not catastrophically fail, the three bullets have to weigh the same as your normal one bullet. So you're firing three 50 grain bullets. It's essentially, you know, three light 32 autos. Yeah. There were issues of accuracy. You don't want the bullets to, like, actually stack on top of each other, but you also don't want them to go super far away. You want like a little, like a slight, because again, think about it at 100 yards, this turns into this really quickly.

So, like, okay. So I have, I've actually done some shooting with Duplex 308. And it was like at 100 yards, we got about a 12 inch. spread between the bullets, which I think is really good. That's that distance of if you have a perfect shot, you might get two hits, but you'll definitely get one. And if you normally would have just missed one of those two bullets will probably hit. A lot of the downfall of this stuff was old school people in administration who were

brought up on marksmanship. And how do you have marksmanship when there's two bullets? It'll never hit where you want it to hit. therefore not possible I'm just trying to figure out like the what makes that better than a shotgun with a good choke you have a lot higher muzzle velocity and a lot better ballistics on an actual spitter bullet

you're still getting 3,000 2,700 feet per second the only problem is when you go to 400 yards you've got like the pulp fiction where there's like six hits around the guy quite possibly yeah yeah exactly you're hitting the person and then the dude eight persons away at that spread depending on how far it's going also not recommend it for hostage rescue

exactly you get both at the same time you're like go got both of them oops spitzinus mission this is a Russian no hostage no hostage situation yeah dude just pump fintan all gas in there everything will be fine dude

10 terrorists 90 hostages 100 body bag mission accomplish Yeah, mission accomplished. Like, no. Dude, that kind of tech is wild or just developing it because how far it came like in my head that sounds like, oh, that's not going to work or here is the downside to it. But we're just, we tested that in the 60s, 50s. 50s through 90s, essentially.

It was a whole series of programs. So the final culmination of it that we see were the four guns, the cult ACR, the Steyer, the Stire. ACR, the G11, and the AAI. Advanced Was it aeronautics? Advanced Armaments, Inc. Had a flesh hat, firing, goofy rifle.

But that was in the 90s. The Germans came close to adopting the G11 and just barely escaped with their lives from it. But it goes all the way back to the 50s. And there are some bizarre freaking rifles that were in those programs. I was just talking about this, I just did a video on the Lewis gun. And I find it so intriguing because you've got pretty much like ballistics and, well, actually,

well, I don't know what you say kinetics, just muzzle loaders, rifles in general, stayed pretty much the same from like the 1500s to the mid-1800s. There really wasn't a lot of variety. And then as soon as you had the center fire cartridge, very soon after you started having like machine guns and all sorts of things. And it was just like your tech tree exploded. And there's like 8,000 different ways to do it. So you get two major inflection points like that.

The first one is smokeless powder. Because smokeless powder allows you to have self-loading firearms. As long as you've got black powder, there's so much fouling that there were people who tried, who experimented with self-loading. Actually, I should say the second one is smokeless powder. The first one is self-contained metallic cartridges. Yeah. And that doesn't start with primers, but it very very, very quickly becomes the center fire, modern center fire case.

For sure. And that allows you to have a batch of cartridges at the ready to use in some sort of repeating weapon. Because we're looking at it's neat to see that right before that really took off the things that people did before that. Like the first ever thing that came out of what became Smith & Wesson was the volcanic. And right now we're working on, you know, the volcanic pistol. You'd probably know it from like Red Dead, the like lever action pistol. Complete dog shit. They like have no muzzle.

energy whatsoever, but it was like a self-contained projectile. And we're working on reverse engineering the ammo right now. Oh, cool. And it's super, just a bizarre concept. And you very quickly realized, like, oh, this is why these never took off. Yeah. So you take a bullet, a lead bullet with a hollow base, and you make the base, the inside hollow section bigger and put the powder in that and put a primer in that.

And then like a little sealant cup of something. I don't remember what they used on the back end. But then wax almost. I was not to say wax or paper or something like that. Yeah. Okay, you want to borrow my ghost bed pillow? Does it smell like you? Yes.

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Use the code unsubscribe to sleep better and stay cooler. But then you have all the elements of your cartridge right here. And the bullet is the case because the, you know, you've got the tip of the bullet with most of the mass. And then you've got the hollow cylinder that holds the powder. The problem was, in order to make it, give it enough muzzle velocity to do anything of impact, you had to make the bullet really long, but then you had these really thin, lead walls, and the front of the bullet would break off from the back of the bullet, and you'd have like a cylinder of bullet case at the back, and the projectile, the front of the projectile would go down range, and then the gun's not, yeah, can't be fired again. otherwise you have these really light projectiles that don't really do anything like there's I don't know if this is hyperbalized but there's accounts of people trying to with this and failing I've read that story I don't know if I believe it or not but it's not completely out of the realm

like MythBusters says plausible kind of thing yeah yeah I don't know if it's true but I wouldn't doubt it yeah and they had so they had a couple of different versions and like the handgun one was what 31 caliber I think think. Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's even a small diameter to begin with. The rifle one was bigger. I think they had a, it's like 41. Something like that. Yeah. I don't recall off the top of my head, but we have the smaller one. Yeah. And it's cartoonishly small. Yeah. You look at that, you're like, I don't know how the fuck you ever made this work. But it's cool. It's really neat. So beyond the Volgantic, there was a whole series of pistols that were manually operated with

ring trigger levers that mostly came out of Austria. And they are neat guns, too. Like, there are some with little five-round clips. There's a batch of them that were made using cartridges before people really kind of came up with the idea of an extraction groove. So the base end of the cartridge is just solid. And there is no, like, the extractor doesn't grip on a groove in the cartridge. What does it do then? I don't remember. I knew you were going to ask that.

You did this second. You're like, fuck, I don't remember how they did that. I don't have the answer to the question. I just made. It's neat. I was just like, huh, that's a neat way of doing it.

What are they do instead? Fuck. Yeah. Science. That's magic. He doesn't know podcast is over to you. You're the professional. Soiled it.

What the fuck, dog. What the fuck? They're all super janky. It's super neat too because like a lot of the like early cartridge stuff. You've got like the pin fire stuff. Yeah. Which I mean, that was the needle rifles and stuff like that.

It's just super. The needler. So. It's strange. What makes those situations... Yes, the halo needler is what you're talking about. Oh, totally. That was an old tech.

Explodes inside the little... Whaling missiles to kill somebody. What makes those periods so cool is someone will invent new technology and patents. And a lot of people think... A lot of people don't really understand how patents work. Patents are temporary protection. The idea is if you innovate and create a new product, you're rewarded with a monopoly on that product for a limited period of time. so that Bob, the inventor in his garage, doesn't invent something super cool, and then

Megacorp just copies it, and he gets nothing. Bob gets his limited time monopoly, which people can argue pros and cons on that system, but Edison had some words about it. Right. Oh, yeah. Contracts and lawyers, my friends. It is not without controversy, but that's the concept. And what happens as a result is when the new technology comes out like smokeless powder,

all of a sudden, it's now feasible. to make self-loading systems, semi-auto, full-auto guns. And the first person who figures out, like, the obvious way to make it work, patents it. So then the next guy is like, well, this is a huge open market. I want to make a machine gun, but I have to do a different thing than that guy did. So, well, okay, here's the second best, most obvious, efficient way to do it. And he does that, and he patents it. And about five years in, there's still people out there who want to make their fortune in this.

But now, like, the 85 best ways to do it are patented. And then you start getting these really bizarre workaround systems just and at like 17 years after the tech comes out, all the bizarre stuff goes away because now the good way the patents expired. And now everyone can do that. Like that's why we have browning pistols still today. And we don't have Bergman's and Nambu's and all the other really janky early semi-auto pistols. It is cool as they are. Oh, they're super cool. but would you want to carry any of them?

The Mandalorian does. That was, I have questions about that. Like, there's only one place that Prop Master found that gun. You think? There's only one gun. Where else do you find it online before the Mandalorian comes out? So it's like the birdman, what is it? Yeah, I posted it.

It's like the M, what is it, the M95? It was, no, it was 1892 or 93. Okay. Because it was the, what they called, copied for the Mandalorian was the very first prototype Bergman, not even the, not even the first standard model, but the prototype. Yeah. So I got, when that came out, I got a lot of messages from people who were like, oh, my God, they, it was either like, oh, my God, they found one or oh, my God, they ruined one by turning into a blank or something for the movie. Oh, shit.

And the answer is, no, they totally didn't. They, like, it's a resin model. The Bergman 1896? Uh, yeah, it's not. Oh, yeah, but that's not like, it's not. It's an earlier. pattern yeah i didn't know because yeah there's there's clearly like a couple differences there but like yeah like on the i don't know what you call that but so that's the loading gate yeah that's actually a thumb lever that you pulled down to put the clip in okay um but the very so if you look

here it's got it not not yet it wasn't it's got a cleaning rod on the side and that's only found on the original prototype example oh so they actually had an o g oh g so whoever No, they made it out. They created that thing out of resin or something. But they seen that. They had a deep dive to find that exact. And as far as I can tell, there's only one place where they could have found it. But I never heard from anybody.

No shit. But if the armor for the Mandalorian is watching this and would like to spill any details, I'd love to hear them. Yeah, please comment. Because that was, it's such a cool Star Wars throwback. Yeah. Because the original Star Wars was all done with World War II guns with, stuff glommed on to them because that's what was available and easy to use

Lewis guns MG 34s fucking STG 44s all that shit it's I can't okay so side cool stories well just really quick I never realized patents

the way you just describe that is how when you teach AI the exact pattern it's the shit that gets it super far but whatever is the most efficient way gets to the front of it What you're saying with that, the 17 years of bad tech don't make it to the front. It's, hey, this is the best, easiest method that is proven.

Oh, something else comes along that's better than that steps. That's AI training to a T. Well, I mean, you could also just say it's just I. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's how we did it before they did it. I was like, oh, shit, this is actually in that exact line is how it's done. I just never had a picture. That was the tech bro.

equivalent of looking at the scar and Fortnite and going, oh, they made the Fortnite gun, I know. I was like, huh, wait, holy shit, I never looked at actually patents like that where it's like, hey, most efficient things going to get proven. I was like, holy shit, yeah, actually, that is actually how that works.

Huh. No, that's just, that's just clanker cultural appropriation. Yeah, just what that is. Takes a lot longer. It's not like, I ran it for one hour. It takes 30, 40 fucking years, but anyway, sorry, you're a cool story. So I came this close to making a fully functional Hoth trooper, what was it, A34 blaster, I think. The like SDG 44 clone.

Yeah. Yeah. So I was last year, Finnish brutality was held in the winter. So, okay, so I'm going. Great time to go to Finland. Yeah. So I'm going to a winter match. And this was when, yep, yeah, exactly.

This was when, DK was just starting to send out their Sturmgevers. U.S. semi-auto stormgevers and I arranged to get one my gunsmith was super stoked to make because it's only like three parts like you need a new buttstock and we need we got a new um rear site leaf to modify to put a red dot with a 3d printed cage around you know yeah body around it and a new buttstock and a new handguard like that's it and i have an a 34 blaster i hope it's a 34 him. A2.95. Yeah, A2.95 blaster. At any rate, the problem was, yeah, that's not, that's not complicated. No, no, because they took actual Sturmgevers when they did the movie and just bolted some crap onto them. I love how it's like, this is now futuristic. So I was going to, I was going to shoot the match with that rifle and a Hoth trooper costume. That was going to be a fantastic. That's, that's fucking great. And then I had to, I had to shoot the match with that rifle and a hawth trooper costume. And then I had, to send the gun back like three times to get it working and ran out of time. I have a theory about that.

Everybody's got everybody's had fucking problems with getting their reproduction STG 44s to run properly. Like everyone who's ever fucking tried. Yeah. I question if the original ST24s ran properly. So there was a massive QC like scrap rate. Yeah. on the production of Stromge bears, like massive, like 30% to the receivers. Oh, my fucking God.

Yeah. But they're just stamping them out so fast that whatever, throw them back into the smelter and keep going. They had some stuff going on at the time. Yeah, there were other issues. What happened? When you mass produce a whole bunch of weapons, just different weapons at the same time, during a war with different ammo. And you're like, go fight shit. So I think the other problem is that nobody has been able to put the,

time and the production numbers into a semi-auto repro to work out the fine details. And when the Germans are doing this during the war, they are stamping them out by the thousands. And so you have the scale to be like, oh, we need to change, that tolerance needs to come in a thau. And they work out the problems with the semi-auto guns. There's never, they're always expensive enough that there's never enough scale. Like, you have to make a thousand of the things, a thousand of anything in a production.

line before you're going to get close to having it actually reliable. Not only that, but this is getting like real in the fucking weeds really early. But the, I think that there's a difference in the actual cartridge, like 8mm curse is, uh, I think the modern PPU stuff is like a different spec. I heard people saying that you needed to do something to your feed ramp to be able to fire modern ammo. I've seen that. I'm pretty dubious about it.

Really? Yeah. For one thing, it assumes a very high level of, uh, of quality control on the part of the original German ammo. If you ever want to have a fun time, grab some headspace dyes and go find a stack of original Sturmgevers and check their headspace because like 30,000 excess headspace is not particularly uncommon on a Sturmgavere. What does that mean?

It's not great. But it works. This is anyone out there that doesn't know it's the STG 44 Sterngivir. This is the assault rifle. it's one of the first of its kind, that in the MP-4. So the MP-43, the MP-44, and the Stringer-R-44 are all the same gun. Okay, but this is that brand-new tech, future tech, essentially. It's largely regarded as, like, the father of the modern assault rifle.

Yeah, yeah. It's not technically the first, but it is the first to be put into mass production used in the field with the tactics of an assault rifle. Speaking of Schmeiser guns that were like their firsts, I just got after five, years of hunting. This is like fucking a week ago. I'm super stoked. I just got my hands on an MP18. Oh, nice. The original snail drum.

I don't have the original drum with it yet. But so the... That's fine. You're probably going to have... You're probably going to have better luck with repro drums anyway. Yeah. The, so for... Just shoot it with eight round sticks. Yeah, exactly. That's not a fucking problem. Oh, Cody, it's the battle. It's the Battlefield one gun.

They actually went back in me. They actually went in back. made that gun after the movie came out or the game came out it's just like fortnight you like yeah okay that makes way more sense that's that's really good i mean i've never used our cell phones so much in the podcast and i'm like what are they talking about the one seven three four five six we had a chance to shoot a villar perosa that is not i i having shot that it is not the first submachine gun because it is unusable as a submachine gun it is a little tiny ought to be tripod-mounted thing. Yeah.

That bad? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What's it called? Viller V-I-L-L-A-R-A-R-O-S-A. It is like 1,100 rounds a minute, 9-millimeter Glacentee, 2 barrels with spade grips and thumb triggers. What the fuck is that?

Technically operable. It's kind of like the show shot or the Shoshaw. Yeah, Jesus, Christ. I don't know. Shoshaw. Shosh, yeah. I've had the opportunity. opportunity to pick up a couple and I just I always eyeball it like man I don't know

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Trim your pubs, god damn it. Smooth Sack Summer. I have a series going. that would make a fantastic exclusive Pepperbox video where we have a 75 round course of fire with the Shoshaw that I bring on guests to shoot because nobody's ever actually got trigger time on a Shoshaw. I thought you're going to say nobody's gotten through 75 rounds with the Shoshaw and not had a malfunction. We have had one malfunction in the history of the series. You're kidding. My Shoshaw runs.

The problem with Shoshaw's is twofold. One is that the mags are basically tinfoil. Yeah, they ought to be expendable, but they're not because they haven't made them in 100 years. But they're terrible quality mags. They're all a century old now. That's one problem. Tossing a Mac in it bins. Oh, if you hold it, if you hold the gun by the magazine, you will cause a malfunction

because you will squeeze the magazine and you will cause it to not feed. Do you know what we're talking about with a show shot? No. It's the one where it's like a half moon, like the World War I French light machine gun where it's the entire bottom of the gun is like a cup that is the magazine. It's an 18-round single-stack, 180-degree magazine. 18 rounds, that's it? Yeah, yeah.

To be fair, this is also World War I. I know. Again, that's what I'm like, it's World War I. And by the way, it's not just the French automatic rifle-light machine gun. It's also the American one. I forgot about that. The BAR showed up like six weeks before the end of the war. U.S. troops who deployed to France had Shoshaws.

Yeah, that's the one. God, and I love this. that that's just 18 rounds. Yep. That thing way, oh, God, that's... Now, imagine... That's not that heavy. Really? I mean, it's awkward.

If you're walking 30 miles with it? Then it gets really clunky, but... Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's less than a brand. It's less than a 240. Okay, yeah. I always look at weapons down, like, hmm... How much would that suck to carry?

Dude, you get that mindset so fast overseas. It is... Here is, I want my gun to look cool, and then it starts to go to, okay, I don't need this. I don't need this. This fucking sucks because I don't... weighs extra there this that's it stripped down it's minimized now I can walk a long ways what's awesome about the show shy is nobody's ever shot them even people with tremendous

amounts of firearms experience never shot a few sometimes people have but like if someone in your position had shot a show shot it would be oh yeah I was at a shoot once and a guy had one and I put a magazine through it from a bench that's it no one's ever actually tried to effectively use one. So we get to have this series where we take people who are reasonably familiar with firearms and like, here you go, we're counting your hits. It's, we got some semi, we got some full auto, we got a mag dump, we got some walking fire, like a whole variety of different types of shooting. Oh, I volunteer's tribute. Excellent. We'll set that up. That'll be a lot of fun. Because I've never shot one. And I've, right, they come up for reasonable prices, like 10 grand

is something like that. It's not crazy. So the other problem with them is, that a lot of the ones in the U.S. were de-wotted or demilled and then repaired. There are a fair number of them that came back as like American Legion post souvenirs that went up on the wall and they were either welded shut or various forms of demil. And so they've all had to be repaired. And when you get rando gunsmith trying to cut an 8mmabell chamber or make a new barrel or usually like, I don't know where we get a new barrel for this thing. So let's just see if we can grind out the weld that's in it.

That's a recipe for gun not work very well. I have had this theory for a while now. And it drives me fucking crazy because the more I see, the more I know it to be true. Most of what people bitch about with machine guns now is entirely due to the American NFA world where boomers in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s are trying to fix machine guns. They don't have prints for. And they're just like, fuck it. This will work kind of.

And as long as it fires three rounds in a row, they're like, functional machine gun. And they'll take it to shoots and they'll sell them. And we bring in so many machine guns that I buy as like perfectly functional. We realize the welds are completely fucked. Headspace is completely gone. Like they're dangerous to shoot. Like you sold me a grenade and went, that's fine. Like our dishka, it was so fucked.

Oh, I can't even imagine. But something like that that's like there's really no way for a good dishka to come into the US and get on the registry, it's guaranteed to be messed up somehow. But the guy who rewelded it, it was the worst reweld. We've seen it a while. Like, they're just open pockets. When we cut back into it. I've

seen some pretty bad rewelds. You've seen some of the pretty bad jobs that I've seen. Well, that's fair, actually. That one was pretty bad. That was pretty fucking expand. Holy graham. At one point, he did a video on, we call it like the most cursed crank.

Like, it was just, it was fucked up. It was not recognized as being a bad gun. That was the first. We took it to the range as part of a shoot, a guy I was with, and he brought it out because he hadn't shot it before. And it's his new post-sample crank. And one round fired, and the entire gas block assembly goes down range. Yeah. And it only got worse from there once we started to look.

Like, I didn't really look at the thing closely because I've done some video on crinks. Like, they're super cool. but I have I have I'm focused like I'm working I have these three guns that I want to film and it's a quasi public shoot so it's going to be tricky to work with anyway and yeah so he's going to bring that thing like okay that's cool dude whatever you know have fun and oh there was a lot of grinder involved in building that gun it was not safe what was the first clue perhaps pieces of the gun going down range that and like the amount of grinding on the locking lugs like for our dish go was the locking flaps were ground down which is always always a great. That's the thing that stops the gun from exploding. So that's really cool. Yeah, those are important. But yeah, no, we ended up, uh, because we saw your video. I'm like, we'll just rebuild it for the guy. Like we'll, we'll actually make it, you know, come back to life because he's a really

cool guy. Like, I don't want to cast aspersions on the guy because he didn't, I don't think he looked at it closely either. No, which is, by the way, this is a good lesson for everybody. If you buy a new gun, look at it, like examine it before you shoot it. This applies to MilSurp stuff too. It's not very common in the U.S., but in Europe. it's not uncommon for people to forcibly deactivate guns effectively destroy them so that they don't have to be registered

and this can mean like drill a hole in the chamber and then sometimes it's we drilled a hole in the chamber but we don't want it to look like it's got an ugly hole in it so we filled in the stock and put a new stock on it

and didn't bother to put a bar in the chamber or anything and then it gets sold and sold and then third guy it gets sold to doesn't know it's deactivated and goes and fires around through it and it just blows through the bottom of the stock and hurt someone. You figure it

out by quick. Yeah, but look at guns before you take them out and shoot them. Especially like the old or something. Yeah. It's like it's not not bad to I don't know. It's kind of a weird thing to say like oh you should own a headspace engages for every caliber you have but really like headspace engages are a really really

nice entry level tool. Yeah. I think on the older ones especially if you're taking them out because those I always look at as the ticking time bumps. New shit. I'm like a lot of tech went into even building this for the most part should be pretty good old shit is the one where it's like I'm gonna have somebody look at it before I touch it when I was building AKs way back in the day my cop out for not having headspacing dyes was that I only worked with matching parts kits I mean it's more

then I don't have to worry about it and at the time that wasn't a big deal I mean that's better that's objectively like okay it went together properly the first time this way because if you have like virgin parts kits or you have non-matching kits then you really have to like you have to be careful with headspace yeah you have to matching stuff you're like well it was good enough for bulgaria in 1968 then then you go to like kujir and look at it and you're like ooh or can we dumb it down for just a minute no you had to explain to me what a god damn it i'll see myself out you guys have fun with your fucking autism one thing you had to explain to me when i first met you is what a parts kit was yeah so like specifically for this is true for

pretty much all firearms, but for AKs in general, in this case, you'll have importers that want to bring in kits to the United States. You can't bring in whole machine guns to the U.S. Up until recently, the Trump administration just reversed this, but you couldn't even bring a machine gun barrels. So like original barrels for anything that was a machine gun, AKs, whatever, had to be cut up in multiple pieces. Receivers have to be cut up in like three pieces. So a kid is getting pieces of a gun. Yeah. It's, I have this AK that I want to sell to the Americans. Yeah. But you can't import a machine gun. Well, if you take it apart enough, eventually you'll find the one part that is a machine gun by itself. That's the receiver. Yeah. And sometimes it's like chopped up in the

vertical pieces. It's porch cut. Now they used to be saw cut, which used to be way easier to build. The rules on how it can be, the idea is you destroy the legal machine gun part and then you just import everything else. And it became known as a parts kit. And the rules for how the destruction has to take place have changed over the course of decades. Yeah. When I first met Brandon a couple of years ago, I thought he was a fucking magician because he was like, yeah, here's a parts kit. Here's this piece, this piece, this piece, this piece. We can put it back together into a functional gun. And I was like, holy shit, that is the coolest thing ever. I didn't, I didn't know parts kits existed before I met him a couple years ago. Which for like an AR is not that big of a deal.

Oh, no, that's not gunsmithing. That's just. You've offended a lot of people like, I'm sorry. If you built your own AR that you're not a gunsmith. might be a gun smith but it's just wild thinking about overseas they have to torch cut just like just gnarly fucking torch it

into it and like you have to you have this thing you want a horrible nightmare fuel I've seen videos of the process like here's a stack of pristine machine guns and here's the dude with the acetylene torch it's horrible but once they get to the states

like you have to demil like the AKs riveted together so you have to drill out all the individual rivets. You have to cut around the slag on like the barrels and shit like that when that get cut. Press out the pins on all the barrel components, press them off. It's a pretty involved process just to get to a parts kit. And then from there you have to use a new receiver, a new barrel, everything, and then rebuild it. What he's talking about with like an OG barrel, a headspace is headspace on the AK is determined by your bolt and how far back your barrel

is pressed in the trunnion. Yeah, I said it. Tronion. Yeah. But basically, if you press it in too far it's too tight won't completely lock the trinion is too tight trinion's too tight that sounds good but it's not it yeah sounds like it should be a good thing um yeah prom night tight not good on AK if you don't press it in enough there's too much space and then um the round can essentially detonate out of the best way i've heard it described is head space is when the when the guns locked closed on a cartridge how much how far back can the bolt and the cartridge case push from the back of the barrel. And there has to be a little bit, because if it's completely frictionally rubbing against each other,

it won't reliably close. But if there's too much, then the first thing that happens when you fire is the cartridge comes all the way back to the maximum extent of its headspace. And if that's too much, it'll blow through the brass at that point before gas has gotten to the gas port at all. And then that's the gun exploding. I just know M2 go click

or bang click M2's got a great system I know that's why that's the only We know a different tree man I know the only time I ever fucked with head spacing When I am Army I am in Army Duke thing Bullet boom

This piece metal say go This piece metal say no go Okay And that's the army dumbing it down as much as possible We're like okay Unscrew C window three turn okay it go bang

and that's why you've got like field gauges and stuff which is what they issued a troops basically like when this closes bring the gun to your armor yes uh oh three bad man because you've got like go gauge oh no bad headspace

what we're talking about like headspace gauge which means it can close like that's that's a good thing you want it to be able to go no go means okay well it just closed on this we should not that shouldn't happen, so it's out of headspace. Field gauge is, this might explode. This is not usable.

Yeah, yeah. Field gauges is this may have somewhere, but it's, if it doesn't exceed this, it's usable. Yeah, yeah. If it closes on the field gauge, you're like, ah. Go and no-go are what you use on a brand new gun to assemble it. And then field is a recognition that over time, the headspace will expand as things stretch. and as you fire thousands of rounds to the gun. And if it, you know, if an old worn gun fails one of the go, no-go gauges, like,

eh, but if it fails the field gauge, don't use it. Yeah. If it swallows a field gauge, you're, that's a grenade. Yeah. I was going to say, I love the two sides of our audience is listening right now, because one side is like, let Eli and Cody try to dumb things. And then the other side is like, stop Eli and Cody from talking because they're explaining the guns to Oh my god, it's the perfect jeans.

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Gun shoot, guys. I know. I'm like, what the fuck? With actually. No, dad. Not again. Who is some of the gun content creators you actually started watching

when you got into this field before? Oh. Were there any? Because you've been in this for a minute. There were a few. So I started in 2010. You're an O. Yeah.

No, I'm like second generation of it because Hickok was already there. Iraq vet was already there. Oh, God, yeah. Who else? God, 2010 is the second wave. What's the guy's name? FPS Russia. Oh, yeah.

FPS Russia was the big one when I started. But what I, so I didn't start it. it to be a YouTube channel. I started Forgotten Weapons as a text blog, largely because I was playing with a friend's collection and he had a bunch of cool documentary stuff. Like those old Springfield Armory photos, when Springfield Armory, which was the head of US small arms testing and R&D, whenever they got something, they would take a whole batch of photographs of it and then they go into the US National Archives and their public domain and they're available for everybody. And they would do like, you know, left, right, top, disassembled, exploded view of the gun. And then if they did

testing as something weird happened, you might get like, well, here's a picture after the barrel exploded. And there's, you know, a hole in it. And, but they did this for every bizarre, weird gun that they tested. Some, you know, Bob in his garage sends a gun to Springfield in 1912. They do it. We capture this kooky thing from the Nazis in 45. Springfield Army is doing testing and taking pictures and so it's this really cool resource of bizarre weird forgotten weapons yeah um and so i'm roll credits yeah some of it like i'd love we ought to have more access to this it's hard to find these things sometimes and then what really did it was a a friend of a friend was a senior engineer at colt and died and he happened to have in his attic like manuals and drawings for the peterson

device. Cool. The Pedersen device for the Mosin, the Enfield, and the LaBelle. Okay. So now I, from that cool, the Pedersen device. Yes. It converts a bolt action rifle into a semi-auto pistol caliber carbine. It was like the original PCC conversion.

So one dude was like, hey, here's how we turn this from a bolt action. John Pedersen, who is one of the greatest gun designers of the early 1900s. Yeah, I would say so. Dude was like, I can make that gun cool. We made thousands upon thousands of them. It was going to be our secret weapon in the 1919 spring offensive in World War I, which didn't happen. No one really expected the war to end at the end of 1918. And they all got scrapped.

They were all like thrown off the side of a fucking. Yeah, basically thrown into the ocean, I think. No shit. So this was actually, hey, part of this war effort. We're in trench warfare. We need. Yeah. We're going to now be the first wave of everyone's has semi-auto weapons.

Would you like a 40-round semi-auticarbine? Or would you like a five-round bolt-haction, not six? God, that would have been mind-blowing at that period of time. That would have been, and even if it didn't happen that year before, it would have been what turned the tide during that war. Even better logistically is you're not issuing new guns. Right. You are issuing an accessory that makes your gun more lethal.

And you can swap it back and forth. And you got foreign boys. I'm like, man, you see this fucking thing? So I can go, dude, dude, dude instead of, dude. Yeah. So these things are scary. and very valuable today because a few hundred of them survived getting scrapped. But originally the plan was to build these for all the other allied powers.

We're in make them for the British, the French, and the Russians too. And when this guy died, his family was like, weird old papers in the garbage. And they're gone. And that was the moment that I'm like, you know, maybe I could start a website and archive some of this stuff. So it doesn't go boop gone into the garbage. Yeah, they didn't know what it was. They didn't know. Grandpa sucks

Well I mean Yeah Think about like weird old uncle Brandon over here And they're just like Yeah he just wrote a bunch of shit down Thanks for the money Yeah

That's sad That's a sad thought I know your brothers So as I As I started expanding the website It got to the point of like How does this gun work? I have to explain how this gun works

Doing that in writing Is really hard like describing right tell me how an AK works but write it down instead of and with no pictures it's a much worse it's like having to read read patents which is awful on the fun part is you can you can describe something in words and then ask 10 fucking people to draw what they just wrote and you'll come up with 10 different answers yeah so I started doing videos like oh oh it's a lot easier for me to say to show it than to try and write it and at the I was just hosting forgotten weapons myself, and I did not have the income to pay for the

bandwidth to host video content because that was a thing that, like, at one point, people actually did was host their own video on their own website. A lot of people don't realize that, like the idea of YouTube, especially when it came into existence, what, 2005, six? Yeah, five or six, I think. You, that was ground. This is fucking groundbreaking. Oh, you had to pay for your, any internet space.

even for Pepperbox. And that's... We pay for the servers to run. That's an expensive fucking thing. And that's literally why I started using YouTube is like, okay, have this video. What do I do with it? Holy crap. Those idiots will let me host it for free.

For free. It wasn't, it wasn't like at the time, I don't remember when they started monetization, but it was years. Years after I started using it, the monetization was even a thing. You just had that mindset. It was like, holy shit, I'm going to do this for free. Right. These idiots, that'll never last.

you had to be like legit like partnered to get monetization like you had to be like one of the a hundred people that you know they had chosen as a partnered creator yeah like now the partner programs pretty much anybody it's like okay well if you you meet these criteria there's tens of thousands of partners got dude it's wild that you were one of the few people i've talked to that you knew hey here's the cost of this and what drove people to youtube at that time was yeah it was Shear just cost of being able to upload a video, which is wild for free. Yeah. That's wild at that time.

And so over time, over the following years, the video became more and more popular with people. So for obvious reasons, it's more interesting to watch it than to read it. And so I started doing more of that. And today, I still run the website, but it's basically just a copy paste of here's the video, here's the YouTube link, here's the description. I still write a reasonable description text. for almost every video, because they originally were, this is an article with a companion video on it. Yes.

Now it's like, back when description was like super essential for SEO and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah, because YouTube has always been fantastic and transparent and easy to work with. They never lie or change things on the fly. I never really got into the SEO stuff and I still don't today. I gave up. I just figured ultimately the whole purpose of SEO is to get people access to the content that they're trying to find.

So if I make content that I know is what people want to watch, I don't have to play SEO games. I can count on the SEO getting better over time and successfully leading gun nerds to my stuff, which appears to have worked. The only thing I do with SEO is try to make sure that somewhere in my description or title, like if you are looking for what I am, I have provided,

then you should be able to find it in search. Yes. Other than that, I'm just making content from my audience. I will do things like, if there are multiple different common names for a gun, I'll put one in the title, but I'll make sure to put the other or others in the description text somewhere. And when I get weird foreign guns with foreign names that have umlouts or accent marks, I will always use just a plain English version for the title. But I'll try and put whatever the original character codes are

in the description. That's smart. Because sometimes if you put like an A with an umlout and someone searches regular a they won't find it and then nobody ever sees your video because i was going to say there ain't no motherfucker on the planet that's that's typing the original like imperial german version i'm like well your audience might be a little different a lot of people don't realize how much effort even goes into that side of it's like okay here's the first word for it okay here's the second here's the third here's the fourth just so hopefully y'all see it yeah on top of filming the video of hosting the video typing out the descriptions all those little things that you have to worry about yeah don't miss any of that yeah we do it all the time but it's crazy to

to see like o g youtube like that or ogy gun tube because like we we stood on the the shoulders of giants like iv and and fpsia and everybody yeah it's it's weird because there weren't a lot of people in the space back of the day no there weren't and i didn't find anyone who was really digging into disassembly i'm like yeah i'm gonna do that and as over time like as i got deeper into it um I got more experience. I got more connections with collections and companies and museums. And today, like, my biggest resource is my reference library. I have a lot of gun reference books.

Yeah. And, you know, not the Barnes Noble ones, but that, that weird one that they printed 150 copies in 1974. And it's $800 now. Those are so fun. But just finding. That's where the information is. Because have you ever had to go to Ian for any of your weapons rebuilds or anything? We've worked together on some stuff.

I don't think we might have asked some questions on certain things. Usually the stuff we do is not to denigrate what we do, usually pretty surface level. Like there's nothing super in depth that we would have to dig for. And a lot of the stuff that I'm covering is kind of one of a kind. It's not the sort of thing that someone buys as a shooter and then needs to have worked on. Yeah. I was just asking because I've seen your place as a fucking arms museum. So I was just wondering if there's, like, some obscure thing.

You have to hit him up for his weapons manuals that he has from 1916. There's five of them and he has one of them. There's certain things that are just so exotic that, like, for example, one of them is the, the PTRS 41. I'm trying to still, like, to this day, figure out how to safely shoot that fucking game. I'm terrified of those things. I want to shoot one and a PTRD as well. But I want someone else to shoot it with the same batch of ammo first when I. I'm a safe distance away.

That's the fucking problem. So the PTRS 41. I've seen the look. Sorry. No, I know this one. I've already watched a video. This is the one where I was like, oh, this is, uh... This is just the scaled up SKS.

Yeah. That one's easy to describe it. It's funny because the SKS is really the scaled down PTRS. Right, exactly. The, uh... Right, Cody? Yeah, you were thinking the BC12. It was just the scaled up and down.

It was the 69420 that you were thinking of. Dumb bitch. So anyway, I'm going to mute their microphones. It was a 14.5 millimeter anti-tank rifle that was developed during World War II by Simonov. That big fucker sitting in your slats. Oh, yeah, they're eight feet long. Yeah. Big fucker.

Not the sleds. That's a lotty. Oh, okay. This was the Russian one that came out in World War II by Simanov. I read in Kalashnikov's book that he said that it was made in like 33 sleepless nights or something like that. The PTRS was a little longer. The PTRD was about a one. month project. Oh, fuck me. We can talk about the PTRD in a moment because that one's even

way more terrifying. I'm scared of that. The PTRD is basically the single shot or the bolt action but it opens by itself. It's great. It's a bolt action single shot. So open bolt, put round in, close bolt, but the bolt, the whole action is on a basically a spring loaded chassis. So when you fire, it absorbs some of the recoil by moving back towards you. And the cheek rest has a cam plate on it. So when the whole thing moves back, the bolt handle hits this cam plate, pops open, the residual pressure

opens the bolt and ejects the round while it's still coming towards your face. Super cool. And it's a 14-5, which is like 900 grain bullet at 3,300 feet per second. It is an incredible cartridge. It is the best anti-tank cartridge of World War II.

They still use them in Ukraine. Yeah. It's still in use. So 50 VMG is, is 12.7 millimeter. This is 14.5. And it's, it's noticeably chunkier. Yeah. It's the KPV round, isn't it? I think so. The KPV machine gun cannon. Not quite a cannon, but I saw one of those come up the other day too. I've seen some parts kits for him. Like, it's, it's funny because that you can get around destructive device laws in the United States as an SOT. Because, fun fact, if it's a, so if it's a semi or a single shot, semi auto, whatever, uh, full.

40-millimeter, let's say, 40-millimeter grenade launcher. That's a destructive device. As a 0-7-02, I can only get two of those per year. If it's full auto, now suddenly it's a machine gun. So it doesn't fall under the destructive device category. I could buy as many as I want. You know the other fun thing you can do with those. They're destructive devices because the board diameter is greater than 50 caliber. What happens if you take the barrel off the receiver? It's now a rifle. It doesn't have a board diameter if it doesn't have a barrel. Hmm. This is why you can re-barrel a boys in 50 BMG.

Yeah. And it's no longer a destructive device, but it is in 55. And you can take the barrel off of a boys, and you now have a non-regulated barrel and a non-regulated, well, a GCA rifle. If it's already registered as a DD, what happens then? Well, the receiver remains a DD. in theory you could write to ATF and tell them to remove it from the registry

one of the other places where this is gets goofy is like with with AOWs with those short-billed shotgun pistols the Ithaca auto burglars if you have like let's say you have two that aren't registered Fenn just start putting up like whenever we mention something

just put up the fucking picture of what we're talking about because the boys are lost here's the dumb thing you take you take an a.O. like that, you can't register it, legally speaking. But if you took the barrel off and put a different barrel on it, you could register it by

as manufacturing it with the new set of barrels, but not with the set of barrels that was originally on it. Because if it's already got the barrels, you're not legally manufacturing it. The ATF is just so fucking silly. Like, just some of these things. Like, you understand, like, it works for 90%

of what they were trying to do. When they wrote these laws, they did not anticipate the, the autistic creativity of people that would come a hundred years later. We never went to the aquarium. These bribes lied to me. Brandon, does that mean we're talking about? Surf Shark?

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Maybe. Are they Googling Firefly now? No. No, it's like, I just like, this is called the Auto and Burgler. I'm like, do you know, do it names? Why is they always with two pictures too? I don't know. One.

It's called the burglar. It's the Auto and burglar. Yeah, you use it in your car and on burglars. Oh, I just, yeah. Literally. Oh, Chicago special. Yeah, but dude breaks into my house. welcome I got one for each of you yeah that's fucking wild those are cool and

those were reasonably popular until 1934 and then they were immediately not sold on that note I had a Serbu super shorty that I just picked up and I was going to make that my center console gun it's about EA too long that would be great those are fun it's a neat little it's a neat little gun I did a backup gun match with a friend recently where he used a Serbu Super Shorty and I used a Thunder 5. No shit. Yeah. And it was like, neither of these is a good idea.

You get a, you'll get a kick out of this. We did a charity shoot for the, uh, the local GOP, a couple of weeks ago. And it was like a, it was a skeet shoot or it was a, uh, yeah, it was a skeet shoot, clay shoot. Yeah. And we knew like, I'm, I'm not a, I'm not a clay shooter. I haven't done it. I'll do it once in a while for like a charity thing, but I don't practice. I'm not going to win and our team is it was all my shop guys came out we just said you know what

we're not going to place and that's fine we're just having fun supporting the you know supporting the cause we're just going to bring the most autistic bring your dumbest shotguns I shot up with a USS we had a USAS a Sega 12 a Benelli M4 like these were not skeet guns we just brilliant fucked around oh yeah a trench gun trench shotgun okay yeah which actually is probably the best one of a that in the m4 yeah shoot guns what the fuck what the fuck this is all this crazy shit of no idea oh yeah so going back to just really quick favorite YouTuber though no watching guns like

did you watch you like hey here's this or what was that next generation where you're like oh here's a different style of the same content but I really enjoy watching this individually honestly I'm kind of with brandon I don't watch a lot of gun tube and I kind of never have um these days i'm just too busy yeah like just me i do a lot of filming and a lot of research and a lot of editing and i just don't have a lot of time for for watching other people's content which sucks because there is cool stuff out there that i would like to be able to like i haven't read a fiction book in like 10 years yeah because i just don't have time it's a fear also a lot of times and content creators will talk about this it is i don't want to

have this idea pushed on me or I don't want to steal this guy's idea so I won't watch it just in case and I get my interpretation of how I want to present this so you won't watch people's content. Mine is much lazier. I just don't care. Oh, trust me. I'm worst

at watching anything. Well, I mean it is serious where you know, if you make your hobby your job, it ceases to be a hobby. So like when I've been doing gun shit all day, the last thing I want to do is go sit and like turn on my fucking smart TV and sit on the couch and watch more shit of what I already did all day.

I'm weird in that way in that I do this day and day out and I have not burned out on it. Really? Yeah. I still love doing it. There's a word for that, my friend. Probably a couple. I still love it. So the problem that I've run into is one of like mental damage from grinding it for so long,

which is that I have a very hard time relaxing or taking a vacation. Like, I can't sit on a beach and drink a margarita. It just, five minutes in, I'm antsy, I'm bored. This is unproductive. No, I've got to do something. Two days in, I'm like having a panic. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's, dude, that's us.

Like, we did that a couple months ago. Like, I got a nice beach house for everyone to come hang out at. And I got it for seven days so my family could stay there and shit. But like, we all got together and were like, we can only be there for like two days max because we were all at the same time we're just like i got to i got to work like i got to do the thing it's all two days it was fucking awesome you'll appreciate this and you'll actually get the reference um years ago actually it was like five years ago now uh my wife really wanted to find something that the two of us could do together

without me turning it into work because normally like if we go anywhere i'm gonna like oh did you know they had the i'm gonna go off and need to film something I think I know where you're going with this. And so for Christmas, she got us scuba diving lessons. Yep. The spear fishing? No. Oh, no.

It's better than that in several ways. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. So this was a surprise to me. Like, I didn't, I know her motivation now, but I didn't know it at the time. I was just like, oh, you know, the coolest presents are always the one that's just an envelope. There were guns in the ocean. Sort of.

I open it up and she's sitting there thinking like, this is going to be something fun. We can do to relax. It won't be work. I opened up. I'm like, scuba diving list. Did you know the Russians hadn't. underwater rifle. The APS. Yes. And the Germans had one, and there's some bit. And she was like, oh, Jesus.

And what makes it better is that now about five years on, we have actually started a second channel entirely dedicated to scuba diving. No shit. Yeah. No shit. That actually turned into a completely. Yes. I've now literally turned her thing we can do that I won't turn into work into a legitimate second piece of work. Do you want to share the channel? A deep dive with Ian. nice yeah deep dive release so we ran it it's been going in water deep diving sounds fucking terrifying to me oh deep caving sorry like oh god snorkeling i can do that it's just there's a certain i get so low pressure so we ran it me and eli have that mexican bone density where water's not our best friend yeah yeah we ran the channel for a number of months just to get some content in it

before we announced it anywhere and i've mentioned it once or twice on forgotten weapons it's right now it's one video every two weeks i think at the beginning of the next year we're going to bump it to one per week and then it'll just live there because i've seen some of your your content you posted to instagram a while back like the harpoon fishing yeah yeah like that that shit seems pretty cool it was very cool yeah it was neat where'd you guys go um that was pensacola really nice so lion that was a lion fish hunt lionfish are uh beautiful fish you'll see them in aquariums all the time red and white striped with these big, I don't even, like almost floral looking fins.

They live in the Indo-Pacific and their, the spines are venomous. Not lethal, but they hurt you up, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they will, especially if you get stung 90 feet underwater and you don't react well, like you'd better be able to keep calm and collected. But they have no defense mechanism. That, like, that is their defense mechanism against other fish. and they came over to the Caribbean probably embalest on a freighter and absolutely took over.

They're invasive as hell. They will eat a third of their body weight every day. Holy shit. They obliterate reef systems. Very, very, very, like cannot stress how they are hogs. They are the hogs of the wild birds. And now the entire coast of North and South America, like all the way down into Brazil, all the way up almost to New England now.

They murder these fucks. Like that one guy, he shows a video. Oh, there's a classic guy with a Glock in Florida shooting the things. Oh, I've seen the guy with the spirit. He just, he had to do a video explaining why he's killing all this thing and put him in the little vacuum tube. He's like, these are terrible. These are fucking God-awful. What really makes it bad is that nothing eats them.

Nothing on our side of the world recognizes them as prey. So nothing eats them. Like there are lots of fish that could. Groupers could eat them. Sharks could eat them. All sorts of things could eat them, but they don't see them as prey, so they don't. Just hundreds of generations of not knowing what the fuck that thing is. So maybe that'll change over time. But in the meantime, the only thing that keeps them in check is, is human predation. And what's convenient is they taste delicious. That's what I was wondering. They are fantastic. Yeah. Have you cleaned one yourself? Are they hard to do? Like, no. Okay. Normally, the guys who are really good at it don't even bother with the spines. Like, they're just. dexterous enough. They know what to do. If you're not, you just take a pair of scissors and there's three or four separate spines and you just and then there's nothing to it. Like there's no poison

in the fish. It's only being being pricked by the spines on the outside that is dangerous. So you take, you just take the filet off each side and throw the rest into the water. How much meat does like one good one yield? My wife and I measure them in tacos. Oh, nice. I have one. A two taco, two taco, three taco. A five taco lionfish is about as big as you'll ever see. That's pretty nice. And that's like that big. That's pretty cool.

Something about that size is typical. So there's no regulations you can kill as many as you want? It depends on where you are, but it's a lot like hogs in some places like kill as many as you want with scuba in a marine protected sanctuary. We don't care. Just kill them all. Although that's a very funny thought. You're like, oh yeah, I'm a professional harpoon line.

lionfish poacher. Yeah. Normally, spearfishing is not compatible with scuba. It's basically seen as unsportsmanlike. It's too easy, and it'll decimate fish populations. And it did in the early days of scuba. So usually, if you are legally spearfishing, you're doing it free diving. You ever done it?

Free diving, no. The only thing I've ever spearfished is lionfish. Gotcha. We did the one day we, you know, we, it was a couple of days. trip and one day was just kind of learning it understanding how do I use the spear gun and then the day we went out hunting we did like 76 of them three of us together which is small potatoes by some people's professional standards this is imagine a piece of coral and everywhere you look there is a lionfish this is like yeah they're not supposed to be there so like oh but the funny thing is their defense mechanism

is spines they don't know to run away from anything you can have five of them in a a space to the size of this table and you spear one after another and the fifth one just sits there the entire time. Yeah. Doesn't recognize danger. Yes. Now, if you try to hit one and you miss it, they figure that out. And then they'll run. It's funny. That reminds me of the, I don't know, the Instagram reels or whatever you see where they build the little cardboard traps with the hole where the birds will just walk

onto it to get the feed and just they'll watch their friends fall down the hole and just keep Yeah, don't fucking think anything on it. Yeah, exactly. I like that. Go this way. Dude, I never knew that about lionfish. I thought that was always like this beautiful protected species. I never heard that before.

No, they kill them. In the U.S., kill them all. In the Pacific, they're not an issue because they have natural predators. That was the first thing I thought when somebody mentioned going iguana hunting in Florida. Yeah. Because, you know, in my mind, I'm like, okay, I've not really seen a whole lot of iguanas in my life. Right. You figure, like, that sounds exotic, should be protected.

I had no idea that they were a massively invasive species. Yeah. This was crazy about a lot. Hogs are a good example of, uh, were you just wasting their corpses? That's not right. And you're like,

no, if we don't kill 700 out of a million, if you kill 750,000 of them, a million by the next breeding season. That's wild. That's like, hey, no,

we have to curb the whole, like a ward essentially. And that's why you always see the videos that do is just having fun with them, just on a truck with like a 50. maybe just like plowing them down because I'm gonna say they fuck up like especially Texas the agriculture in Texas they fuck everything up and there's so many people online that's like you're not even eating them that that thing's like no no no they need to go I'm a big animal lover they are worth eating like I did a lot of my when I learned to hunt a lot of

it was on hog and the meat if you if you process it well it's good meat depends where you're at too I think yeah that's true yeah yeah and again, it is so many you have to kill just to maintain the equilibrium of that species. And hogs, you can't eat everyone you shoot and you'd be fucked. I'm a big animal lover. Like, I don't like to kill for the sake of killing, you know, that sort of thing. Like, I'm down for hunting, but like, I feel, you know, I feel a little empathy for the animal. Hogs, I feel nothing.

Like, those are just less than living creatures. Yeah, the first time you see one gore, a golden retriever, like, all bets are off. You're like, fuck you. Oh, we stabbed dogs. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah, we did the knife hunt with the dogs and everything like that. That was my first time of hunting.

Dang. Knives. Knives. They make different squeals. You know, we have technology for this now. Nah, it felt good. We're going back. Because he's like, we go to Florida.

We go to Florida for this hunt. And I'm like, oh, so like, what kind of hunting have you done? Because this was years ago. We went down there. out. So, like, what's your experience hunting? He's like, I've never gone. With a knife. He's like, I've never gone hunting before.

I'm like, oh, shit. Well, this is going to be a hell of an intro. Like, most people start with deer, you know, duck, dove, something like that. You're like, no, bowie knife, hog. Yeah, it was cool shit. I mean, it's, I was very adverse to hunting because when I was like 14, I got shot in the face of the bow. Oh, it's like, I really didn't want to go around hunting. Oh, yeah.

I got a hole in a house. wow yes I got a little hole right there so I never really haunted and we go down there which was hilarious because it was me and you Kentucky Ballistics yeah and Chuck Liddell it was a wild crew and they walked into bar is this a punchline oh we walked into a couple bars I bet you didn't yeah they had uh they had the fucking pits with uh cavilar so the hogs didn't goar them and the pits would like grab by his face and hold it down and you just got this big fucking booing knife and you just shank it.

I remember feeling kind of bad because I, like, I'd never hunted with dogs before in my life. Like, that always seemed a little, like, I don't know. I'm, I'm conflicted about this. And have you seen nature? Well, you know, to train dogs to fight. Well, for one, like, if you're having, I don't know. I just have certain reservations, but.

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And then I watched one of these dogs get fucking tossed, like 15 feet by this pig. And I'm new to this world. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, is the dog okay? Dog smacks the ground, rolls, gets up. and just like he's having the best fucking day of his life like this is what they're made for and they love it and chuckledell is like i recognize that yeah exactly yeah the dog was chuckled out all the fours they both pant the same yeah i guys all went first

and then they i ended up with the biggest goddamn pig ever when when they got your pig because like that took a minute for you to kill it because it was a big fucker i was hitting it right where it should have been. Like, I know where a heart is and I'm just digging and just like, fucking just stabbing this thing. It's a hell of a sound. I'm pretty happy to just stick with a rifle, I think.

You see, that was the thing. When they, when they butchered his pig, they were like, they recognized it. They were like, we knew this was on property. Like, he was a mean fucker. So they have these cartilage plates on their shoulders. And they peeled the plate out. It had healed

up buckshot. And it were people would try to take this fucker down with a shotgun. It had other pigs tusks in it, like buckshot, like it had tons of shit in it. Wow. Pigs, I, dude, that was the first time it was flying in a little helicopter shooting one. I was like, maybe I'm missing because it was a big one just fucking just charging. I'm probably missing because it's not falling. I aim up just a smidge.

I'm like maybe, I don't know. Let's figure out. Boom. I see dirt. I'm like, I'm hitting this motherfucker. In the side, and it is just sprinting. I was like, okay, let's aim a little forward. It dropped.

But they will eat. And that was a, that was a 762. That was a 8K round. Oh, no, no. 7662 with 39. Yeah. And it was just full charging. 8, 10, 15 rounds aimed up.

Seeing the dirt kicked up, re-adjusted. That was the only thing that put it down. Yeah. Oh, shit. Those, those, their little arm of plates essentially. place here and they have their bone it's yeah it's fucking nasty eat bullets all day long

like oh so with your okay so you don't watch gun YouTube what would you watch if you actually or are you like I just work I just like I like my work yeah no shit I don't know so it's 24 7 yeah yeah pretty much yeah what do you do for fun

other than make your more work that is your fun time which is now also work occasionally I do other stuff but it's usually going to be like history oriented in some way because that's what interests me. A couple of friends and I went to East Falkland and hiked the British peritrupery ump across East Falkland a couple years ago. Like that was a vacation.

That was fun. You seem to, you do seem to be traveled like as far as 60 miles, 100 kilometers. You, you guys hiked the whole thing. Yeah, we rocked it. That's why when he said, that's my vacation. It was like, how many miles was this vacation? It was like, you seem to get across Europe all over the place, like just going to a bunch of like historically significant places.

I have, yeah. I've worked up some really good relationships with a bunch of collectors and organizations in Europe. You know, a lot of, we have a tremendous number of cool guns here, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't exist here and it does exist in Europe. And so I spend time in both places. I'm actually not sure the answer of this. Have you been to the Zastava factory? No, I have not. I've been

to H.S. product a couple times in Croatia, but I have not actually been to Serbia. I know that kind of their claim to fame is, and maybe this is true, but I heard it was true that they still have from the war in the 90s, they still have

a crater in the campus of their factory. Oh, I totally believe that. I don't know for sure, but that's a thousand percent plausible. So historically, the breakup of Yugoslavia was not exactly peaceful. And so the Zostovah Arms Factory is in Serbia, and they apparently were being shelled during that time. And there's a giant fucking crater that's still in the campus of that arms factory, where you get Zostava, like, M70s, M70s, whatever, like those AK variants in the States, they're still made in Serbia at that factory. No shit.

That's fucking wild. So what would be your dream museum or gun library to check out or do a video on? Right now, probably the one at the top of my list is the German Army Technical Museum in a town called Koblenz in Germany. And I've actually tried making some contacts there. And it seems like there's German government bureaucracy that it's probably not going to really work well. But it is an amazing collection with a ton of weird, interesting world. World War II stuff, German and other. What do you think they're giving you pushback

on the... Because they're a government. Okay. Because I want to go into the back rooms of a German military small arms facility and play with stuff. And this is not possible. We should talk to some guys about that.

I know. That's what I'm like. I'd rather just hear like, hey, here's my one, two, and three. And then we can see what is possible from those one, two, and three. The thing with collections like that, so first off, with museums, I basically, it's irrelevant to me what's on display at the museum because I'm not going to be able to film it because they're not going to disassemble the museum display for me to come in and do video. And museums usually display the most common stuff.

They're going to display the things that people will recognize. You go into the U.S. Marine Corps Museum. You want to see M16s, M60s, M1, Garon's, 1911. you don't necessarily want to like no one's going to recognize the McLean gun that they've got in the back that is the original predecessor to the Lewis only two ever existed it looks like a sci-fi

prop and it doesn't and it doesn't really work now I'm pulling on my phone yeah but they've got one what's it called McLean MCC-L-E-A-N McLean that's the stuff that I'm going to go to yeah right what the fuck

yeah that's that steampunk shit I like from the at the turn of the century. That's fucking crazy. What the fuck? Yeah. Q had more parts. More parts. What?

So, for example, the U.S. Marine Corps Museum has or had one of those. More springs. That's what I want to go film. So I have to get into the back of a museum. And depending on who owns it,

there's going to be various regulations. If it's a military facility, there's usually very formal, strict regulations on how you know you need a security clearance or you need some sort of permission from somebody and so these always basically come down to personal connections i need to find someone who i can speak to personally at a facility who can either authorize it or get authorization on my behalf eli do you want to tell the story i don't know what the fuck i'm looking at it looks like a as you

said steampunk sci-fi it looks like it can weld something i think you can breathe underwater with As a giant spring But you can see the magazine on there You can see the origin of a few of the little bits Dude, that's wild That looks like something straight out of Bioshock Yes But Eli do you want to tell the story about

Fucking Ethan habitual Habitually fat On which one? Access to a museum Which movie? Oh, actually the Yeah I think there was a

What was that Fort? That was in Oklahoma Fort Zill Fort Seale. That was the guys having an issue. They had clearance to go to this museum that is open to the public. And they're like, okay, hey, can we get on base? He cleared it with everyone weeks in advance.

And then they get there. Three people fly in from three different places to make this happen. This is also a special line crosser, right? Who military. Give Nick, prior military. And then, yeah, and full fin, yeah, camera guy. But like all three, okay, it's been clear. Cool. Everything's good to go. You're allowed on base and you can film this. So day of what happens is, hey, we are landing. We show up. Oh, no, we can't do that. It's like, why, why not? Oh, we need to get Jag involved. Why? Well, you have a whole bunch of followers. So what? Well, this could look bad on us. Wait, we didn't think anyone was going to actually watch you. Yeah. It was like, oh, well, you have a bunch of followers. So now you could actually damage our reputation. So you cannot.

be seen doing this and then they hold it. The military guys that would make the military look good, the dudes who were in or are in at the moment which is fucking wild. This will look good. This is great PR. This is great. Everything

if you let this happen and then no. I had a gun factory that I arranged a very similar sort of thing. Like I'm going to go and I'm going to spend three days filming and I'm going to get all sorts of cool content about this company's old cool like you guys would love them

Brandon would love them yeah you're the gun guy yeah and I flew there and I got in and I'm like all right so where should I set up and they're like set up for what I'm like for filming and they're like oh that's not possible and I'm like what like why am I here and I flew home and I've had that happen once holy shit you actually flew there and they were like oh no we can't and it ended yeah I mean And they're like, oh, no, you can't film anything. So the guys, I'm like, actually. What?

They were turned away at the gate. I called, I knew nothing about this other than Nick. I called Nick was like, hey, how goes filming? And he was like, so funny story about that. Yeah, we got turned away, but we have a solution. We're driving an hour down south. We'll film there. There's a museum, blah, blah, blah.

I was like, oh, fucking hold the fuck on. Let me make a call. And thankfully, we have great relationships with, like, the highest people in the military. And I just told them the situation. I was like, hey, this is stupid as fuck. And they agreed. They called in instantly. Nick's like, they are allowing us back on base and giving us personal too.

I don't know what happened. I was like, well, I needed that connection. I didn't have it. That connection is very helpful because they've seen the big picture. It's like, this just looks good. Like across the board, this looks way better than, hey, we just turned these people away. Yeah. because the people that turned you away.

When you got there, does not look in on them. I have a very adversarial. I don't think they know it, but I have a very adversarial relationship with them now. We can cut this part from the podcast, but who was it? I'll tell you later when we're off camera.

I don't, I want to go back there, and the content's too good for me to just, to burn it. Yeah. So I don't want to say who it is, but I've only had that happen once. What did they think they were doing?

I have no idea. I honestly don't. No. I think part of it was the people who were making the decisions or the people, the people with the authority at that point were mid-level managerial sorts who didn't really like guns and didn't really, they didn't know who I was, what I was doing, and didn't care. And like, I think it was the employee handbook says I'm not supposed to. Right. And what do I have to gain from taking a risk on anything? If it had been upper management, they would have looked at. went the chances are pretty good that our PR is going to come out better as a result of this but you get down to the mid level where it's

like if this turns out great my boss gets credit and if it turns out terrible I get fired so nothing that's most the government frankly I was going to say I was like that is as government as it gets so it's like no I don't want to take nope this is not worth the risk

I'm going to play it safe get jag involved in but honestly what's so fantastic now is I've been doing this long enough and I've built enough of a reputation that most of the museum and gun people that I work with know who I am now. And they've seen some of the work I've done. And they're willing to hand me a one-off prototype. And they're like, just don't break it, please. And you really don't go after people. Like, you don't do hit pieces. No. No. I mean, when does that start? Like the closest thing I, that one of the things I love is the vast majority of the work I do

with companies and designers who are dead and out of business. Yeah. Like, I don't have to worry about offending Paul Mouser because he's dead. You know. It is what it is. Yeah, it makes it really easy to review guns without having like that, that social pressure, personal relationship thing build into it.

I prefer it because, you know, there's a lot of people like, oh, you're just reporting on it this way because you have a personal vendetta against SIG. Nobody accuses me of that for Schmeiser. right exactly really easy i understand why you stick with what you do yeah and i've had some they're tough like um a good example is full conceal do you remember them i remember them i did not i actually have a video coming on a full conceal i bought it now that they're a forgotten weapon almost immediately when they went out of business i bought one what is this it's a folding block you probably oh my god yeah oh man that is so recent like yeah it was it was cool i saw

at shot show is a neat idea, but like, it's so not going to work. It's, I know it's not going to work. And I cannot in any sort of good faith do some sort of publicity on it that says that it's a good idea because it's not. No. And so I don't, I don't want to get too hubristic here, but I don't want to be the guy who does a video on it and kills this little company. So I'm just going to wait because I know you guys are going to go out of business.

And then I'll cover it. And they did. And they did. And I just, I did a backup gun match with a full conceal this summer. And the video is coming. How much was it? That was like 600 bucks or something. That's really not bad.

No, it was, it was basically the price of a regular Glock 19. Yeah. At the time, you could just pull out. Did you, did you see those? You said the folding glove? Yeah, that's, that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's kind of the same price.

It's one you could just pull out of your waistband. The crazy part was they were less concealable than a Glock in a good holster. right it's like oh yeah you just put it in your pocket yeah it was like intended for cargo pants pockets because you can just drop it in there when you wouldn't maybe take the time to put on a holster so when you're being but when you're being the sheep dog that everybody doesn't recognize as the gray man where you're wearing your black rifle coffee t-shirt your 511 tactical pants and your you know your solomons with a high and tight and you know oakly shades nobody knows you have a gun to be fair no one's going to expect that the guns that blocky thing in the cargo

Pants pocket. Fair enough. Well, I mean, it's kind of a similar concept as like the FM-9s and just like the folding, the B&T, stuff like that. I think they're really cool. Oh, they are. I like them. Yeah. The only, the only good use I ever saw for those was I don't know, I don't remember if it was like future weapons, some military channel shit like 10 years ago. Oh, yeah. But the guy went to like a food court in the mall and had it out there on the table as if it was like his backup reserve battery for his laptop. because that was sort of a thing at one point in that sort of form yeah but nobody knew it he's just like yeah I was just sitting here with a machine gun on the table for three hours eating my Chick-fil-A and nobody paid any attention I'm like that's kind of neat

but I don't know if there's a purpose yeah exactly when would you ever fucking need that you know what we're talking about right the little like the square like the fold out machine guns like some machine guns didn't Kevin have one yeah he did actually have one of the the prototypes I'm blanking on a

exactly what it was, but it was one of like nine that was made. Yeah. It was. Yeah, someone like found all of those and discovered they were transferable still. Really? It was some, the FMBG 9, FMG 9, FMG 9, something. Yeah. It was one of those folding guns, like, I think they just were sitting in some collection or

some company stock room or something. So the thing with Valmet was Valmet as a company tried to, they convinced the Finnish army, like, we should try this stamped thing. because it'll be cheaper and you'll pay less for your guns. And the Finnish Army was like, oh, pay less. We like the sound of that. Okay, give it a try. When was this?

76. Okay. In 1970s. Because they started developing it a little bit earlier. They actually, how deep do you want me to get into this? Go for it. I'm fucking here. I don't actually know this a lot about this.

We're having a master class on this right now. So here is, and by the way, I know this because I am currently working on a book on Finnish small arms, including development of Finnish AKs. What's the name of it? It is called Forged in Snow, and it is currently on Kickstarter. It's a really good name, actually. It's a super cool looking cover with it. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd spend some time on that. Yeah. But yeah, it covers. Where can we find links to this? Because I would like to buy one. Kickstarter, I can give you the link with that. We'll put it down below.

Yeah. That'd be awesome. We'd love to do that. So I will be clicking the links in the description, and in the pinned comment of this episode. Thank you. Because I would really like to see that. So it's not just AKs.

It covers Finnish-manufactured military small arms. So 1918 through basically present day. But, of course, the AK is a big part of that. And what's funny is from the very beginning, when the Finns are adopting the AK, one of the only questions that there's real debate about is do we have aperture sites or notch sites? Do we use the standard AK notch?

Or do we put an aperture back on the end of the dust cover. And it comes down to, like, the aperture is more accurate, but it's not as good in low light. And if you get it filled with mud or snow, it's hard to clean out. You get a notch site full of mud. It's easier to, like, wipe it out, get it usable. That and if you do, like, the Galile route where it's on the dust cover, it's less reliable just because you have the motion on the dust cover.

Like, it's, the return to zero is questionable. It's interesting that that never seemed to really be. be an issue for the fins. And I think part of it was they had, they expected relatively short engagement ranges. Like during the winter war, they used very few scoped rifles because they were usually, you know, they're in forests. So did they go open? Like my, without any knowledge, I would have chosen open site because, okay, we just need quick acquisition. If it's close. And that's why you're not an officer. Okay. They went with aperture. Really? Yes. Yeah. shit. Even if we're close engagements, they're like, no, we're going to use...

So if I want to engage people at 50 yards, I want to make sure most of my vision of the target is obscured. So, no, no. They came up with a solution to this. And it's on your Valmat. Okay. They added night sites. Yeah. Five years or so after they started production, the night site is a notch. You take the aperture rear sight leaf and you flip it 180 degrees forward. Yeah. And you've got a big open notch. And that was for night fighting, but it also was a good solution for close quarters, for urban, for I'm in really tight brush, and it was recognized as being a dual purpose thing. No shit.

At any rate, as we go forward a little bit, in the 1970s, Valmet decided to make a run of stamped receiver guns with traditional AK-style sites, because there was still this argument, even though they'd adopted apertures, there was still an argument in the Finnish military that we would have been better off with open sites. and so Valmet convinced them to like let's give it a try you know test the apertures against this new open site gun that we have that we want to sell you that's the M71 it's notable because it gets used I think in red dawn yeah they end up selling them in the U.S. as semi-auto commercial guns and they're like the closest thing you can get to an actual commie block AK at first yeah because

that was what they used for I think the a lot of the guns in Red Dawn for like the RPKs and shit like that that are like they're dressing it up for guns you can't get in the states because you forget like in in 1983 or whatever red dawn was filmed because it came out in 84 you couldn't get shit like that so you could get egyptian modis and you can get valmets and that's what they used and that's also why we have no surplus carcano ammo but we'll get into that later i'm curious where you're going with that so valmet spends a couple of years developing their own stamped sheet metal receiver essentially their own AKM but they don't have the technical plans for the AKM. They have to do it themselves. They put this open notch site on it. They give it to the

army. The army testing goes, yeah, we're good. Like, actually, we'll take the one we had. So they go, oh, shit, okay. And that's when they start moving it to the civilian market. Maybe we can sell these as a semi-auto gun to civilians in Europe and in the U.S. But they convince the army to give them a try making the original pattern rifles, but now with stamped receivers, because it'll be cheaper. They do it for five years and they come to the conclusion that the stamping stamp receiver actually gives them no benefit. It's less durable. I mean, the Finnish Army is a conscript army. Everyone does mandatory service with a small cohort of full-time professionals so that if someone, Russia, invades, they call up all the reservists. They've got half a million men in the army.

but you give 18 year old conscript recruits stamped sheet metal AKs and they do dumb shit with them and they get bent or dented in ways that a solid chunk of steel receiver cannot get dented it's like a US bering like you'll unravel ball bearings I had someone send me a video recently of some Swedish soldiers using their Sturmgevere 90s their P.E. 90s as Pogo Sticks. When you're in the military, you beat the shit out of your weapon. I will, my M4, that's when I got no new weapons or anything when I bought in the civilian market.

I would treat it the same way. It's like, oh, if I can jam. Yeah. If I can just stomp it to unjammering, I was like, man, this is what I did. This is how I learned. I could do the exact same. Yeah, you pogo stick it. Yeah.

So we pogo stick our guns. time you know the running joke about no no i mean polo stick i mean literal i was using the bannet lug and the front sight blade to stand on and hold the buttstock and jump on it that's fine yeah it's so i bet it worked afterwards yeah every gun that kevin brigham gives this i like to pogostit test it speaking of which i found the photo um oh yeah that was the one where they still they disguised that it's like the folding machine gun yeah from uh was it robo cop I think it was. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's got the radio antenna on it because it was supposed to be back then. It was a radio, not a backup battery for your laptop. I remember that. Yeah, I remember Kevin bringing that and showing that. Yeah. And he stole my Hitler lock it. As one has, naturally. And a rifle grenade launcher on the star.

Yeah, cool. It was an old school. Oh, that's an old suppressor. Yeah. And then he had the... Doubles as a rifle grenade launcher, though. Was it a machine gun launcher? he brought out? Oh, the Stoner 63.

Yeah. He had a Stoner 63A. Nice. I love the refiq, though, dude. Yeah, that's cool. That was my favorite counter strike gun. Fun, fun fact about Red Dawn, though. I was talking about this a little the other day, because we just buried my grandfather. And the town that he lived in in New Mexico was actually the exact same town that they filmed the original Red Dawn in. So it's Las Vegas, New Mexico.

And it's funny because there's still a bunch of shit around that town where they still have the mural of like the cowgirl up on the side of the building. They have in the town museum. They have the original plaque where the Russian reads it wrong. It's like, oh yes, great general, Teddy Roosevelt killed many savages here, like that whole thing. Like they have the original plaque and everything. The whole town. Like you could just look around like you're just driving to get tacos or something. And you're like, hey, wait a minute, that's where they blew up the train station.

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in my own collection. You liar. That's what people say about their kids. So the thing is, the thing is what interests me is new and interest in novel. Like if I've had it for a long time, I'm less interested in it because I feel like, well, I kind of

know about that. There's not a lot to go back and find about it. And so my favorite thing at any given time will be something that I've gotten in the last month or filmed or worked on or, and then over time that kind of fades. I want to find something new and different, just like,

like kids yeah exactly yeah this one i've had this one 16 years i need to make another all right leonardo decaprio i had this one for two years time to trade out so that that helps me in a business sense in that i'm not always focused on the same thing like oh i filmed that one last week now let's go find something new and different and finding something new and different is actually what interests me what what's your dream what's your dream thing that you want to do a on honestly at this point it's something underwater

it's either an APS or an HKP 11 either one of those would be pretty awesome HKP 11 oh yeah I've filmed an HKP 11 that's a fun story have you filmed with an APS yet no I never actually have any that exist outside of Russia

there have to be the thing that I kick myself at still like the APS underwater rifle Ten years ago, at a gun show, I kid you not. Okay. That looks like one of the fucking, like the tranquilizer guns in Metal Gear Solid. Like, this looks like something Kenjima wouldn't be like. Does that say like flat shat rounds too?

There's a little dark. Yeah, that thing's crazy. It's five, four, five, but with a big nail instead of a bullet. Yeah. And it's the only weapon that will actually shoot underwater that is good for like 20 feet or something crazy like that. I kid you not. Ten years ago, I found a spam can of AP. P.S. Ammo at a gun show.

What? And I didn't know. And I didn't know. Why? Why the fuck? I don't even remember how much it was. It was partly that I know it was expensive, but I kick myself every day for not buying this. To be sure what the fuck do you do with it?

That was the thing. Why would I spend? I mean, it was probably like $1,000 at the time. Yeah. Which was a tremendous amount of money. And what am I like, like, AP? There's none of those outside of Russia. What am I going to do with that thing?

And now you're like, fuck. Pretty much. Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So what I do have is a case of 9 by 39 because when that came in, I remember the APS ammo. I'm like, I don't have a gun. I don't know if they're ever going to come out with a gun. I'm buying a case of that ammo. And then 9 by 39 very quickly went from like 80 cents around to like five bucks. Oh, it was one batch that someone imported. Yeah.

And that was it. Was it the wolf stuff? Yeah. I've got a bunch of that too. Wolf and Tula. And then I've got like a couple like the SP6, SP5. That's cool. I only have a couple because, you know, they're fucking expensive.

Yeah. That's a fucking wild looking It's the underwater distal It's a derringer essentially It has a removable barrel cluster Of five shots And they're all pre-sealed So that they're waterproof

They make above water And below water barrel clusters With different projectiles That is so German Oh yeah And the Germans will not tell you Anything about them Because they are still secret

Very secret Dude, I... So secret, they make them on deviant art. And so secret that they're in HK's own book about HK. But HK won't say anything. And I asked an HK guy if I could get one. And he didn't just say, like, no, I can't let you see one. He said, oh, it's not possible.

You can't film one of those. Like, that's secret. It's not possible in this very Germanic mindset. And I... Is that American Psycho? Why isn't it possible, you stupid? with past. And I took that personally. And six weeks later published a video on a P7. Nice. Or a P11. Well, yeah. Yeah. Well, the fucking the FAMOS, what you were saying about the FAMOS is what was wild to me. Hmm. You want to say that again in front of a microphone? It is earlier we're talking and it is the FAMOS. I didn't realize it had that trigger or not the trigger. Oh, the joystick. The little computer control thing with the, the giant DVR cable coming out of it. Because it's like a FAMOS D or something.

something like that. It's like a different variant. What fuck are you guys talking about that? F-E-L-I-N. I don't know if FAMOS is, but... Metal Gear's a solid gun. I know what a F-M-A-M-S-A-S-S. So in the 90s, basically, most of the major militaries in the world knew that computers were a thing.

And they came up with these super-futuristic programs where we were going to computerize soldiers, like objective combat warrior, future combat warrior, those, either of those ring a bell. Future Combat Warrior. Like, you're going to have. have a little flip down transparent display screen and a little computer that shows you where all your squad buddies are and you can look at your gun in the screen or your buddies all that stuff what was like the g the hk weapon that that massive one that we were going to do what's the big one with like oh icw that had like the objective infantry combat weapon yeah it was a 556 carbine

and a 25 millimeter grenade launcher yes but it had that same cable system and you could aim out and shoot without sticking your head out. Hey, I have a game. The French actually did it. And they came out with a version of the FAMAS that had this monstrous football-sized scope on it. That was a night vision scope and a magnified scope and a camera. And it had a display screen and you could hold the gun around a corner and see where it was aiming and record video on it and all this stuff.

And it actually had a cable that plugged into the rifle because instead of the regular pistol lower on the rifle, you've got a vertical front grip with a four-button control pad to manipulate the technical capabilities of the computerized scope. And a small number of those parts kits have actually come into the U.S., including that they don't have the scope, but they've got that front grip lower assembly and the cable. Which I'd never heard. I know Famosis, that was the first time he showed me. I was like, I have never seen this fucking thing before in my life.

I saw one come up the other day. post-rock has them. They're like $7,000 for the kits. It was far too much. You know what that makes me think of? Like, we want to create something futuristic. Nintendo came out with the power glove. Yeah.

Instead of using the controller, it's like kind of the same concept. It's like people can play video games better with this power glove. And it was the worst fucking shit ever. Oh, I guarantee soldiers. Dude, anytime we're in the military. Actually, when I was in the military, I remember I got to go to one of the meeting of future weapons. And it was, hey, we're building these suits for you guys to carry more a heavier

batteries yeah so you could go in combat and less longer and that's all we talked about so of course they just want to add weight to us so we have to fight longer like what dude now you can carry like 8,000 pounds at any given time and these legs will do like 80% of the walking until they break and you're going to do the rest of it and I was like this is stupid this is just so we have to work harder But the machine does it. Private Eli is stuck in his exoskeleton on the side of a dirt road.

Just like, oh, fuck, man. The legs are still walking, though. I'm like, it went out. And it's like, just taking me to war. They're still shooting at me. I want to go for cover. The motherfucker is as soon as those

fucking electronics fail, so do your femurs. No. Dude, it was one of those heavy-ass cables coming from the FAMI. I was like, that is one of those big cables. That is a heavy platform that the future soldier is going to have to carry into combat in a given time. So what's neat about it is in order to do that, they had to come up with a way to mount a scope on a FAMAS, which the FAMAS was one of those, it was in that generation of rifles. It was developed before optics were a universal sort of thing.

And it's got a carry handle slash, really, it's protective handle for the protector for the charging handle. that's not meant it's flimsy it's plastic it's not meant to be structural but that's kind of the only thing you can mount optics on so they kind of do it it's a cludge and in order for this new computerized system to work they redesigned the upper of the rifle to give it a solid mounted picketiny rail that's a little bit lower and that's actually worthwhile so what tended to happen is they issued the philene stuff a bit and most guys hated it because it was heavy and clunky and just garbage. Fucking surprise.

You can't scrim with that? But if you take it off and you put an E-A-Tech on the rail instead, now you've got the pretty decent system. And it was, I think they made 25,000 of them. Oh, shit. Yeah. Smart than I would have thought. Yeah.

And they're not bad. The charging handle is a little janky because they had to kind of clutch it to make it work with a lower rail. But what's really cool about those parts kits is they give you a way to mount an optic reliably on the gun and actually they include a rail an even lower rail up front for a laser which was also a thing at the time this is Cody this is the weapon that has a three-round burst and then a 25 round mag it bothers me so much I know you have a defense of this no no no I don't I don't have a defense I have an explanation in two phases so first off first off fuck you

25 rounds is the most you can put in a 556 magazine without curving it yes the original AR-15 mags are 25 rounds. The FAMOS mags are 25 rounds. That's why. Any longer than that, you need weirder stamping because it's got to have a bend in it. The FAMAS did not have a burst mechanism until very shortly before adoption. The whole development process was safe, semi-full. That is the first thing that has ever been explained to me about that. That makes sense. Yeah. And then at like, they adopted version 7 at version 6. They're like, oh, and also we want a burst. And two rounds is too few and four rounds is too much. Three round burst is the thing. Put in a three round burst. And that's where it came from. I think two is pretty cool. I think most

combat, dude, I will, from here, anyone that is going into combat, if you're going into the military at all, you will not use full auto fucking ever. You're going to be more effective. With single shots on target, you're going to have controlled pairs. And then your machine gun team, your open bolt weapon system, they are there to lay down fire. But again, that is, to lay down fire and get heads down. It is not, I'm using unfortunately three-round burst and then doing a control group at 300 yards.

It just never fucking happened. That's why in Vietnam, they went from full auto to three-round burst, right? Like we went from a full auto weapon platform for the M-16 to three-round burst because we were wasting rounds. I don't know why exactly.

So this is from what we were told is because the massive waste of that makes sense. ammunition and missing during Vietnam. We were just spraying because, oh, shit, trust me, I did that in combat. I put on a three-round burst and just let them fly because it was like, I'm going to die.

So I need to get as many bullets down there as possible. Oh, shit, I just got to get their head down. So you just, ah, and then reload. My problem with the FAMAS was always that you have a 25, well, you developed a weapon system that's completely independent of, like, Stan Ag magazines, where you have a three-round burst and a magazine that holds,

an indivisible amount by three. Yeah. Which, that was always kind of my motherfucker with it. And I've heard people cope on the internet. They're like, no, no, no, no. You wanted to know you were out of ammo because of the- all crap.

It's so bullshit. It's total crap. It fucked with me so much. That was the first thing that like, oh, the burst ratchet came later. I'm like, got it. You know there's a Stan Ag Magh version of the FAMAS, right? I knew one existed. I've never seen them.

Yeah. So the Navy bought tens of thousands of them. The French Navy did. It's the G2. the standard pattern is the F1 there was a G1 and then a G2 was the Navy version is it the Navy bought them and I thought our Navy for a moment I'm like no sadly they're even gayer than I thought

you can recognize them because they're the Fomassas that have the full hand trigger guard interesting okay oh yeah I forgot that was a thing and they look fucking stupid so the thing is in the 60s and well in the 70s France was not part of NATO's military integration they were in NATO right but what had happened oh yeah yep yeah that full fucking thing yep yeah so the FAMOS magazine doesn't have a hold open tab so it's like a quarter

inch shorter than Stan egg which is why you you just can't adapt a FAMOS receiver to stand ag mags it's too short right in this what 50s god I ought to know the history well better than this but essentially de Gaulle was presented with the idea that under NATO, French troops would be subordinate to U.S. military command, and he wasn't a fan of that and said, how about, here's my counteroffer, we're leaving. So they left the military integration, which means when they developed the FAMOS, they're not Stan Ag. They just made the magazine that they wanted, and that was it. In the 90s, things had changed a bit. They wanted to sell the FAMAS on the export market. That's where the G2 comes from. The export market is obviously going to

require stand-ag mags. They want to sell it to anyone else in Europe. And at that point, the French Navy needed some new guns anyway. And so they bought that model. So is it similar to kind of like the styrogg? Yeah. Where they just like develop the Stan-Agg after that and like exactly. Yep. I am unfortunately I have a styrogg that doesn't take Stan-Ax. Mine intentionally. I have the wobble mags and my girl, these are so expensive. I got one two. That's good enough for me. I intentionally got one that wasn't Stanag because I love that like 42 rounder. Oh yeah. So it's cool. Yeah. It's cool. Yeah. When they had an option like that, you've got to get it

because Stan egg's boring and normal. Yeah, it's like I've got how many guns do I have to take Stan Egg Max? Right. I want them. Weird shit. Yeah. I love it from us. I know it's a piece of shit.

No, no, no, you don't because it's not. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Everyone, see, the problem is everyone has this negative opinion of the French for all sorts of cultural reasons that I didn't find, whatever. First off, I didn't realize during World War II, they thought they were going to hold that for a whole year longer, it was an actual surprise how fast the French loss to everyone. That wasn't, even the Germans were like, what?

Meth has entered the chat. Yeah. Dude, I did not know that was a giant reason why like all the French. Hey, it was how fast, like American generals. Everyone was like, they're going to hold off for at least, okay, they're gone. What? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh, I didn't know that part.

The problem is nobody's actually used a FAMAS because they're so rare and so expensive in this country. And if people had, they would realize that they are better in every way than the aug. Well, to be fair, right out the gate, I believe that. Because the aug is not really my favorite. No, it's not. I just want a fucking Fumas for Metal Gear. That's all I can. I'm working on, we're about done with our rebuild. So we're doing completely from scratch receiver. We've got the barrel because it's a very complicated rebuild if you don't have any of the parts. And especially with an aluminum receiver, like that's damn they're fucking impossible to rebuild. So we had to just start from scratch and just kind of. Yeah. But I think we'll

get there in the next couple months. But excellent. I'm excited for it because I never shot a fucking FAMOS, ever. Well, if you come do the show shot challenge with me, you can shoot my FAMAS too. You know that gun is interchangeable left to right handed with no new parts. I believe that. Yeah. It's got two ejectors or two extractors. One's real, one's fake. And to switch it from left to right, you pull them out and you reverse them and put them back. And then there's a cheat. There's ejection ports on both sides covered by a cheekpiece and you just pop it from one side to the other. Done.

It's like 60 seconds left to right hand. I see I like that. That's one. Yeah. Everybody, Jay. Jay is one of those collections. None of the, are you tall buddy? The billionaire guy.

I don't think I met him. He's the one with the, like, he has a Fama. He has like all, every pre-band HK he has ever. He has a World War I wall, a World War II wall and HK wall. and it is every FMOS well like every gun you could ever want

he's like oh yeah you want to shoot that and pull it off and it is in a walk-in gun room that's the size of this he's the one is that your fake date go

that's exactly what I was going to ask fake date yeah that was the fake date I don't think the unsub audience knows about the fake date I don't know

if I've ever told that story it was Jay is a friend that you would he dresses like just flip-plop short like one of us just one of us.

Jay is also extremely wealthy, like a next level wealthy. So I had a first date, and this is God years ago. And we're like, oh, what do we do for the first date? We can't come up with an idea. And Jay's like, well, I'm just use my house. Like what? Like, what? So I can't just pretend it's yours.

Like, well, Jay, what? This is what a 12,000 square foot mansion? Oh, yeah, 12,000. It's 74,000 square. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So he has a Okay

All right Billionaire billionaire You can probably find something to do in the house like that Okay Yeah he has a fucking estate And Jay owns Like this is a dude Hey I created a

What was it Credit Repair.com I was going to say The stories like this are usually like I developed the better way for the The milk bottle Plastic screw top lid You know that refrigeration strip

that's in every grocery store in America, I built that. Yeah. Creditrepair.com. That was him. So he was like, oh, I built a big house. It was 8,000 square feet. Oh, I paid off said house in less than a month. I guess I'll build what the fuck I want at this period of my life.

And he did. So he's like, oh, yeah. It's your house now and we'll change out the painting and we'll make it look like your house. And then the butler, our private chef is yours. Just pretend the, again, rich people shit where you have a dining room. And you were broke out of Army Eli. Yeah, this is Eli, like, I'm just moving out of L.A. It's not, wow, this is a very different lifestyle.

This is apartment, Eli. Yeah, exactly. Like, I own a studio. I'm like, ah, what the fuck is this? But you did the respectful thing and said, absolutely, I will do that. 100%. This is a great trick on a first date. We need to this long term.

I need this for like eight months, please. You should definitely deceive the girl you're going on a date with right. So it's like, oh shit. And I forget, some of the friends knew her. And it was just, hey, oh shit, you're going to hang out with Eli tonight. Man, that's crazy. His house is wild. She's like, huh, what?

He owns a house? Yeah, exactly. So I was like, okay, what do I do? I'll just get an Uber to the house for her. So she doesn't have, she can't look up the house. It's like, hey, I sent an Uber for you. It will be there and drive up. And just driving up one of the mountain sides of Utah.

And the Uber driver, that's when she explained. That's when I started freaking out. I was like, oh, your friend doing very nice. He was an Asian dude. Oh, your friend. I couldn't tell. Yeah, it was the higher the Uber driver got in the smeltside. It's like, oh, your friend doing very good to silence.

Oh, shit, okay. And I was like, hey, just text me when you get to the front gate. And then I'll let you in. And they pull up. She's like, hey, I'm at the community gate. It's like, got you buzzing you in. just park at the third water fountain and then I'll go out and meet you

like Jay's doing quite fun and she's like okay and she's thinking again community water fountain's not like this is one single house so it's like one two go I walk out front door is broken on the outside so I can go back in

so I'll just walk her through the side museum and explain this so walk out and like hey what's up bye hey nice to meet you blah blah blah thanks for coming all the way out here front door is broken so we have to walk into the side of the house and she's like what world is any part of this house broken

she's just like nervous I'm like yeah 100% walk her in and I was like oh yeah this is my side museum you have to fuck around and say like oh yeah sorry the sultan broke it last week yeah walk in and Jay has literal side museum it is a fucking like walking like glass samurai armor everything

so you're walking through and you're like oh yeah fucking Do you need a drink? You're like, yeah. Like, oh, here, come down here. We walked down the spiral staircase. It's a giant bear. I was like, beer, what do you want? She's like, IPA, walk in IPA for it.

This is, again, like half the size of this room. Walk in, grab that. Ha, ha, ha. It's like, okay, upstairs, we're doing dinner. Family's waiting. Let's go. Man, you need an elevator in this house. Ha ha.

I was like, oh, we can take that here. Come here. Walker to an elevator. Go up five stories. get up to the top everyone's waiting standing and they're like where do we sit ely i'm like oh wherever you want all sit down private chef french cheese comes gets to all the orders blah blah all sudden done and i remember just first sitting down everyone is eating and they're like eli when can we start eating like oh yeah eat away everyone's eating she like looks around she's like takes her hat off

she's so uncomfortable at this moment she's like we're eating she hey why don't you tell me me you're rich as fuck i am so scared right so i was like what are you talking about this is normal half the dinner's done we're downstairs having a just fun we're playing whatever like picture or some stupid shit and then uh we tell i tell her i'm like hey by the way this is not my house this is actually my friends this is a joke because she's like holy fucking oh my god i was terrified and then for a second i was like did i hit the lottery i am not sure you might She's like, oh, in that case And she throws away the condom wrapper

She had poked a million holes in Because, yeah I don't need your phone number now, actually, sorry I'd never heard What was your friend's name? I heard the abbreviated version of that story. I've never heard the full one. That's hilarious.

Dude, it was an entire thing because Jay has money. He gets boredies. And he's like, this is fun. I could have watched this play out. I'm like Patrick his chef we're filling him and he's like okay so what do I say I was like what's for dinner he's like we have the piece soup we have elk and we have that I was like just say that just do your fucking accent and talk like that she's going to be none the wiser

you don't have to act are you sure I'm like I assure you no one's used to a private fucking chef this is like lifestyle cuckoldry I just want to see somebody else live my life dude you walk out and you're like what the fuck is this what do we use for the picture it was me with a baby goat or something because they had baby goats they had dude you're shitting me no no no i dude pat that it is again that you have wealth and then you're like oh people live like this and this is fun for them okay what the fuck yeah and he has an amazing gun collection that's why i want to go out there yeah sounds like a fucking neat guy I mean, I'll go on this trip if you want.

Sign me up. Every time I find one of those absurdly wealthy people who's also into guns, I'm like, you're going to make my collection look bad. I've got a lot of stuff, but like some of those guys will just get that like, oh, an original FG 42? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's only a quarter. I have three of those.

Yeah. To be clear, I don't. But I have run into the guy who has three of them. There's a guy who has three of them. Oh, there's a guy who has like nine of them. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Are they your friends too?

One is one I know of but haven't actually met in person, I don't think. I met him like once, but not really acquainted. But yeah. Yeah, I think the last one that went for sale that I know of went for like 240,000. But you haven't been paying attention. They're three to four. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

If you look at the collector grade book, Death from Above, the back cover art on the inside is just a row of FGs leaning up on a fireplace. There's like 10 of them. And it's all one collection. Yeah. I'm really happy with my SMG clone. So am I. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm like, yeah, 10 grand. That's fine. That's all I need. I had the chance to actually shoot an original second pattern FG. A real one. Yeah. By the way, the, like, the rumors on them are real. It is a fantastic gun to shoot.

It's legit. But it is, I'm not going to say it's super, like, it's not a 556. Right. But it is as controllable or better as any 308 full auto I've ever shot. As an 8mmel Mouser. Correct. So the Falschemyager Gavere, it was like the German paratrooper, like a light machine gun, quote, unquote. It's like their browning automatic rifle.

But the design spec is essentially, we want a gun that is neither longer nor heavier than a Mouser 98K. but it has to be select fire have a bipod have a bayonet and well and be select fire dude just really you brought up the mouser um the 98 k was that 8 mil what was the yeah that who was the guy uh banana banana something he's a YouTuber that does firearms now banana oh i know banana ballistics he just had that round that was eight mill ap or was the k bullets or whatever. Okay. Yeah, they made armor piercing. This was that round. They were like, hey, they built this. It's a

hyped up 8 millimeter, but it punched through on his a 1.25 steel, just punched right through that. An inch and like an inch and a half was what stopped it and it still made an hole at the back. That would have to be

unhardened. This would, dude, tungsten round. This is this was full world too. He made like the steel. Like the plate that it was punching that's the thing this was very very because the round was going

3,000 feet per second and this is Mouser 98 like he shot the first round and he's like holy fuck and he says it he has to actually

because he doesn't curse he's like what he bleeps in his own because he looks over and it's 3,000 feet per second an inch and a half of steel yep

have you seen have you seen the German or the Polish armor piercing eight Mouser their Andy tank rifle or sorry not 8 Mouser 8mm it's 8 by

108 it's like Trader okay it's a great porno so he goes an inch and a half is a lot of steel that's a lot of hardened steel

I trust me that's a key as well that went through holy shit mild steel there it was there he goes to he missed and he goes to one and a half

so it is one and a half of I'm guessing mild there is a very big difference between mild steel and hardened steel very much so everyone is cooking for a 1940 round don't get me wrong like it's still impressive but it's very but

there is a massive difference between hardened and you know that okay that one I just remember that video is like oh it's punching through a inch like no problem and this is from the 1940s that round is cooking it's interesting there's some there are some powder formulations that that survive just fine and there's some powder formulations that degrade over time uh turkish stuff and i can't remember the chemical differences but we got a bunch of turkish eight millimeter years ago that was dangerous because the powder

degraded and it actually that the grain the powder grains degraded and you end up with a lot more surface area than you originally had. And so the powder burned a lot faster than it was originally intended to. And you got really high pressure and it blew up guns. Like, I know a guy who's missing fingers from one of those things in a 42 or a 34. No shit. One of the things that was speculated about on the slap rounds on context of robotics. Yeah.

Yeah. But then there are also some, some powders that survive just fine and don't degrade. And a lot of the German World War II stuff, the powder formulation is such that, yes, it's 80 years old now, but it performs just the same way that it originally didn't. Some of the most stable stuff I've ever seen is the 8mm mouser stuff coming out of Ethiopia. Everything

I ever tested from Ethiopia was garbage. That's what I was joking about. Yeah, it's fucking dog shit. Thank you. I'm like absolute dog shit. I was like, are we looking at different ammo? Like, that's I didn't work with Century for like four years because of that ammo. It was like if you wanted

catastrophic malfunctions or hang fires it was the greatest shit to use. I broke a mouse are 98K stock with one of those things. I guarantee. Yeah. Yeah, it's all the shit just being pulled out of pallets in Ethiopia somewhere. Yep. That's crazy how different areas.

It's like, hey, this can kill you versus, hey, this is stable and you're good to go. The really good ammo is the Greek stuff. HXP, 303, 308, the Greek HXP stuff is phenomenal. I mean, look at the tech as it evolves. I love nitroglycerin and them taking it across the ocean. They're like, we just put in a bunch of springs as long as it's not too bad. We will make it there. Cody, have you ever seen how they did nitroglycerin back in the past?

No, when they were transporting it? Yep. No, what? Nitro glycerin, you're like, you shake that. Yeah, why would you transport it? Why wouldn't you just make it wherever you're trying to take it? With this the springs around it? Back, wait, you haven't even seen this?

No. It's kind of like nitroglycerin back in the day was kind of like tannerite, except if you sneezed, you would die. Yeah. Yeah, except it's not a two-part. it's just your own waves just smacking the boat dude they would put full wait let me find the spring system it would be contained in spring systems in order to okay to uh shipping shipment shipment on ships you have an rk 95 yet no but i will tell you what i that is probably one of the most recommended guns i do you're like i'll have one here's the next have one i could buy

one that's not really the problem the the problem is like i've seen them come up is what i mean really i've never seen one in the u.s really a 95 yeah uh maybe maybe i'm maybe i'm maybe i'm talking about my ass here the late late late pattern valmet with grenade launcher gas cut off optics mount so forgive me if i'm misattributing that to something else but like i've seen because the fins are very autistic about this stuff i just know if i do a video on that or any sort of valmet or any sort of finish AK of any kind no one will watch it that's what I'm worried about why

why wouldn't they because every time so this is the curse I have anything that I think is cool will never get views I mean you you can use the word tube with two O's yeah for Valmet that'll get people won't it yeah he's dobstock

AK that's what I did with the Sten and nobody fucking watched it oh okay well shit it's it's just it's like the if I shit out of video that's like very little effort million and a half use if I pour my heart and soul into something that I think is a very niche piece of history that I love and I'm like super excited and I think the video went really well and I watched the video back I'm like this is I'm proud of that 500,000 like fuck me so I would like to respond on two different fronts first off when 500,000 is a failure

you do more than I do you do more videos than I do god damn it but But I understand. I've had some videos that I did kind of as an afterthought, like, yeah, it's 3 p.m. and I have dinner at five, but I just got an idea of, yeah, I can knock that out. Yeah. And had them, like, go very successful, at least, you know, for my standards. Yeah. And then, yeah, sometimes this, I can usually predict the ones that won't do well. And I do a lot of them because there are videos that, like, this needs to be done.

I know none of you people are going to watch it, but it needs to be covered. Yeah. Someday, someone will need to know this stuff, and they'll Google it, and there it'll be. But also, your upload schedule determines your views quite a lot. Like, to quote my fertility specialist, I'm quite impressed by your volume. Like, you actually put out a lot of videos per week. Like, that's what made the channel successful. Like, for a couple of years, it was six a week.

Yeah, that's fucking insane. On all, like, autistic, different fucking breakdowns of guns that I've usually never heard of. Well, that's why I have a big library. To make it possible. But, yeah. That's crazy. That's what was a let me grow the channel. That's how it got successful in large was just an insane amount of material.

How is it actually really quick before we close this out? How is it when you have to break apart one of these weapons you're not sure on like a G11? Is that terrifying out the gate? Because that would be not anymore. I have a follow up too. Have you ever broken one on accident or broken a piece while tearing something apart? I can either confirm. nor deny.

Here's this one. Have fun. You're like, I've watched zero YouTube videos on this. Strips screw immediately. Yeah. Fuck. So no,

I've gotten, I'm paranoid about things like taking out screws. Yeah. And when they're too tight, I just stop. And you'll see it on some videos where I'm like, if I say something like, this one's not really wanting to come apart,

it means I went in with the screwdriver and, and it got to the, point where I'm like, it might open or I might snap the head of the screw off. And I just, I, nope, I'm done. I have a 1940s cult at the shop. You'll see it tomorrow. It's like the oldest gun, I think, that's in the shop. That is all original except for one's group.

And that's what happened. Yeah. And you feel like a piece of shit because you're like, this is an original, this is a piece of history and I have defiled it. Yeah. Frankly, what I've learned is. guns break when you force them you never force it if it if you have to force it you stop if you have to force it for disassembly you stop if you have to force it for reassembly you've you're

not doing it right stop go back reassess and figure out the way that you do it without having to force anything and that's allowed me to do what i do without anything breaking i'm impressed because you handle a lot of shit that's pretty fucking old and a lot of this stuff you know old guns like if you don't use it you lose it like that stuff doesn't want to move when it came to shooting like the morphy company does a lot of machine guns and until youtube started age restrict and everything we did a lot of machine gun shooting with them and their nFA guy a guy named john kean is really good and we would assess guns based on like what's the risk of anything breaking in this and also what's the availability of spare parts because with machine

guns in particular, no one really cares if every pin is original. Yeah. And so when there was stuff that was rare, but parts were around, we'd shoot it. Like, frankly, the one that terrified me the most was that FG-42.

Yeah. If I owned it, I would never shoot an FG-42 I own. In fact, I wouldn't own an original FG-42. I would resell that thing. Like, I'd rather have a house than that FG-42. But it was on their company insurance policy.

And the consigner was cool with us shooting it because he knew it would make it more desirable at auction. And actually, okay, so here's the funny behind the scenes thing. We had Portuguese surplus ammo for shooting that. Like, we didn't go out and buy brand new 8mm. No, we had Portuguese surplus. It's pretty good. It'll be fine.

Pretty good. It was hard primored. If you watch the video, I start off the video and I'm like, All right, semi-auto. No one wants to see semi-auto. We're going to full-auto. The reality is in semi-auto, it wouldn't run. So the FG-42 has the system where it fires from a closed bolt in semi-and-open bolt in full-auto.

So that in full-auto, you get better cooling. But in semi-auto, you don't have the bolt chunking closed when you pull the trigger. So you get more accuracy in semi. Which is weird because even in the semi-auto, it seems like it's semi-open bolt. A little bit, because the firing pin and the operator both. moving forward. Right. Same as the Lewis gun. When I, on the semi-auto clones, you feel the bolt move forward and you're like, no, that's how it works. But what it, the, the upshot is in full auto, because the whole, the firing pin is moving from a much greater distance, it's got a lot more

energy in it than in semi-auto. And this thing would run about half the time in semi, you know, bang, bang, click, rack, click, rack, bang, click, rack. But, and at that point, like, this is my only chance to ever shoot this thing. Like, we're up here on the range. Brass casing, too, versus steel. Oh, it's, it was brass. It was brass case. Yeah. When it was made, what was it?

It's the war. Okay. Well, I wasn't sure. Germany went to steal case at the end of the war. Oh, okay. I wasn't sure if that was a tolerance issue. The problem is, is the primer. Like, if the primers are hard, then if you don't have a crazy amount of force behind the firing pin, you're fucking.

Gotcha. So, like, what I really don't want to do is have to call off my one opportunity to film a full auto original FG-42. So I'm like, well, let's try it full auto and see if it works. And it ran great, ran perfectly in full auto because the bolts moving four inches more. It's got a lot more mass, a lot more velocity to it. So it worked in full auto. So that's how we filmed it. I was like, I'm just going to glaze over semi-auto and go straight to full.

That's exactly what we did in my Sten video, because the stem that I had acquired, we figured out. So it was running like shit. It ran like absolute fucking glazed dog shit, unless it was, we took out the semi-auto components. And then suddenly it ran fine. Weird. Okay. Couldn't fucking tell you why. But it just worked out that way.

It's like, you know what? Fuck it. Nobody actually cares about a semi-auta stand anyway. It's really weird to me that they bothered to put a semi-auto in the stem. It's like a condom. Got it. It sucks when you use it. When you rip it off, it's great.

Yeah, you're fine. Exactly. See, it makes sense. Machine Guns by Eli. Get rid of that thing. Fucking fun time. happen. Design brief on the Sten does not really, isn't really

compatible with, why would we have extra parts make it semi-audic? One of the least ergonomic, terrible sites, open-bolt, sub-machine gun. Yeah, let's get some precision shooting out of this 9mm. Yeah. But, you know, they work. Usually.

Like, again, was it an original C&R gun, or was it some sort of rebuild, re-weld? Yeah, rebuild. So that, yeah. You always got to throw that out there. Yeah. For people looking for machine guns, that's one of the values of an original CNR gun, is

it has not been cut apart and re-welded by Bubba. Yeah. Oh, I just picked up a CNR MG 0815. Oh, cool. I'm excited by that. I love that one. That's one of my favorite nomocletures. It's one of my favorite genders. So, everyone in the

comments will now inform you that 0815 actually in German means boring or commonplace. So was it Nulacht-Fumfsen? That's what I learned afterwards, that that's like the 10-4 of Germany. Yeah, exactly. Things are fine.

0815. Yeah. And it's because they were so commonplace in. I had no clue, but that's very cool. Little stuff like that, I think is neat. Yeah. I just saved you from that showing up in the comments. No, they'll still do it.

This episode is Cody and Eli stared at each other awkwardly. This is how it feels. Look, I feel like you should have known that was coming when you invited me here. I was ready for it. I learned a lot, so I'm extremely happy with it. Don't get me started on Shaspo variations. That's what the Patreon after show is going to be about. Cody, on that note, well, first off, Ian, where do we find you, beautiful son of bitch?

Forgottenweapons.com or YouTube slash forgotten weapons or Patreon slash forgotten weapons. And your book again? Pepperbox. Kickstarter. The book I'm working on, well, the book I am currently pre-stop. selling is forged in snow finished small arms 1918 to 2025 covering the mozins the velmets the luggers the lottys the light machine guns all sorts of super cool stuff currently on kick starter lots of cool stretch goals lots of neat options check it out you're going to get a kick

out of my lottie tomorrow too excellent i got something to show you on that it's pretty fun all right gang does you know bye everyone thanks for coming to the unsubscribe podcast i was joined a day by Yeah, Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Brandon Herrera, myself, Donut Operator. Please join us for the Patreon After Show. You checked out hours ago, didn't you? Me and Eli were over here just like doing rock paper scissors. Dude, it was great. We love you all.

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