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You have the right to remain silent. Dude, if I wasn't into gay dudes. I like that. You got to do it with both sides. That was a very unfortunate pause for you. Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguous. Brandon.

His hair is fucking fabulous. Donor. A dark joke disposition. And there's a fat electrician. Welcome to unsubscribe. Pop it to top top. Ready? Three, two, one.

It was clean. It really was. sink there. We're all synced up. Oh yeah. Nice sound of the month. I'll do it, Cody. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the unscribed podcast. I'm joined today by Eli double-tap. King Trowell. Aiden from

Laurelodge, Aiden from Laurelodge, Brandon and Rere, myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for being here. What's up, bitches? First off, shout out to Eschelon. They're so yummy. Wow. I just wanted to do the worst. Has someone not being paid to promote

It is yummy. It's a lot yumier than it sounded like he. Yeah, I had one last night. And that was probably questionable given the time. But I was up until 3.30 in the morning. And it tasted good. Yeah. It was worth no sleep.

It's like, hmm. Hey, look, we got the eight boys back. It's been like almost three years. Two years, yeah. It's been a while. He looks the same. I look completely different. It's great.

He cleans up. He cleans up nice. We're back. I forgot who was on the podcast today. And I was texting earlier, like, when we were going to meet. up. He's like, you said something like, oh, I'll tell the Aden's. And I'm like,

I'm like, well, we had a guy on our staff, like an intern named Aden, but like Aden's plural. Oh, fuck. Okay, I know who's going to be on here. Hey! Kildozer! That's what I'm that's what we were talking about last time. Yeah, that was a fun one. Yeah.

I still get angry about that story every time somebody else covers it and makes it look like Marv was the bad guy. Marv wasn't, like, we can discuss what Marf Heimier did. Can discuss the morality of that. They pushed him to it. They pushed him to it.

I don't know. The hot tub revelation was a little bit questionable. The what? Have you guys ever listened to Marv Heemeyer's tapes? It's insane. Yeah.

It's some insane rambling. He definitely thought he was on a mission from God, which granted when you put everything you own up for sale and the only things that don't sell are the workspace and the bulldozer, I can kind of understand how you might get that message. Look, from an objective outside. perspective, knowing what we know now, there were signs.

No, because he says in the tape that God is blinding people to his work. Yeah, because he would invite people over and nobody asked any questions about the giant fuck off arm and the nose are in the corner. When you think about it like that, it's like, wow. I mean, that has to be a sign. Like, inviting Troutover, I have a gun car. And then you talk about everything but said gun car. I worry about it. Typically a cry for help

invite people over to see your big ass fuck off tank that you're building. Well, he would put a tarp on it. Oh, that's good. Nobody asked what's under the tarp. Exactly. They interviewed people around town. And everybody's like, well, we all kind of knew he was working on something. We just weren't sure what.

Like, some people were even like, yeah, we knew about the armored bulldozer. We just had no idea what it was for. It's like, nobody asked questions. The list of things you can use an armored bulldozer for. Destroying a small town in Colorado. Really in the cosplay. I know they used them in Palestine and in Iraq 30 years later

That's absolutely It's just kind of like the scene from wedding crashers Where like the dad comes in And he sees like the rope where he's tied to the bed Anyway Not a second thought Yep I mean when you spend time in rural America

There's always in the town One guy who's like old A little bit kooky and definitely working on something That you shouldn't know about So it's part for the course Yeah, actually when you look at it like that, I know in our hometown we had like three different crazy people that had their unique names. It was like one-arm Willie. What's her name?

Betty the goat lady and then one other one. And it was like the three crazy people were like, blah. There were signs we just ignored them. I'm not worried about having to fight one-arm Willie. He sounds like. No, no. I'm pretty confident I can beat that one. I like my chances.

Are you serious? Yeah, he lost it. This is when malls would have in the 80s, you would have malls. with animals. Oh, yeah. I remember those even as a kid. Yeah,

and he put his arm through the tiger enclosure and ripped off as a trial. Did he get like the actual Darwin Award mailed in the mail to him? No, because he was, I mean,

he was probably like a little kid at that point. They just didn't have safety ropes or anything back in the day. So it was like, here's tiger, here, go pet.

I wonder what they did with the tiger after that because like, it's not like the tiger did anything wrong. It probably ended up in Florida. Let's be like the tiger. Yeah,

uh, yeah, He had a tiger king. They had tigers in the mall? It took a long time for that to click money. No, I was processing. I was just letting everybody finish their sentences before I asked, what the fuck?

Molls were crazy when me and Eli were younger. Because like you would take pictures with the tigers. I've been to the mall, bro. Later, younger had a salmon. It was Jay C. Penny and Sabaro. There was no fucking Indian wildcats. I was in a hotel once where there were lion cover.

in the lobby. Dude, the old, like, 70s, 80s and growing up, it's like the mall, that's where we went to hang out because the internet didn't exist. And they would put crazy shit near, like, the arcade center. Usually, you'd have a dope-ass arcade place, and then, like, a lion. Clature right next door.

We got to get kids back in the malls. You all agreed to make this up before I sat down. You guys were like, you know, be funny if we convinced Trout, there were fucking tigers in malls. Well, no, like, legit. As a kid, you take pictures. You'd take pictures with like they had the albino tigers or whatever it was, like white tigers. You guys are fucking with me right now.

No, dude. No, he has his little shit-eating grin on. Google it. Back in the 80s, we went to a mall just to get a pick with a line cub. Yeah, dude. He's like, oh, yeah, here, kids. It's like five bucks. Take a picture with a tiger.

Dude, when we went to the King of Prussia mall those kids. Your brain is broken. Bro, there was no regulations on like Tiger King type people bringing shit into malls and saying, like, come bet this thing and making a couple bucks. Like, oh, let's don't want you to know. Oh, you can just bring tigers to the mall. There was a line at Magic Mountains in the day. It would be heavily sedated and they had a Magic Mountains lion. They just, that they would keep on sight.

They got the lion on Zanz. Yeah. I just, I want to know who the first person was who thought this series, you know what it really needs? A barred out lion. Oh, literally. It's just a barred out lion. The lion just 24-7. Help me.

He's having a great time. That lion's having the best life of all time. Who was on morbid lithium in the 50s? A housewife or a lion in the mall? Definitely the housewives, if they hadn't been lobotomized. Yeah. That's in Disney World. That's a Disneyland, by the way.

Bro, I'm having like a Mandela effect. This is hilarious. There's no way this is real. You guys are fucking with me right now. That's fucking with you. That line is zanned out of his fucking glory. I have never heard of this. Not the same thing, but we used to have

wrestling at a bar in college. Oh, yeah, I've heard of that. No, you can't say that word on YouTube. Yeah. It's apparently, I believe, if I understand it correctly, with the YouTube guidelines, It's the same tier as the hard R. Yeah, you have to call them little n-

That's your campaign going, by the way. It's going to be one of those. Not great after now. Every time I'm on this fucking show. It's been five minutes. I know, and I'll say something, and then it cuts back to everybody cackling, laughing, but we can't keep the joke in because I said a slur.

Honestly, I was going to say something about, like, them all having pygmies in it, so... Picme, I think is fine. Yeah. You just for whatever reason. And this is, I think it's an old, like, Louis C. bit, where it's like, Okay, well, I can say one of those.

It's John Mullaney. It wasn't, yeah. I feel like whichever word you can't say is the worst word. Yeah. You can say them all if you can't. Can I say midja? What's up? Midja.

Probably. Is that okay? I think so. That's actually my midget. I'm so surprised you don't remember any of the line. I don't remember there being any animals in the mall. Santa. We had a carousel.

We had the mall carousel, too. The Santa. You didn't have man-eating beasts in your mall. No, you fucking nerd There's a big cat sanctuary Like a few hours away From where I grew up

That we used to go to It was the mall Yeah, our mall just had a way too touchy Santa Oh god Are you serious Like you step out the foot locker Yeah There's a tiger

And they wouldn't have like any safety It was literally the metal cage And like don't put a hand in Go ahead and shit Just call the floor locker or jungle what animals they keep in there, Connor. Oh, no.

They're related to Bs. Anytime the camera zooms into Cody's face to crop out, Brandon, is it to be the new telltale sign for some of you. Yeah. Editor, yeah, just make sure you crop in

super close on Cody and that I'm not in that shot. Just keep it on Brandon. Brandon means plausible deniability that he wasn't even here. Well, that's what we started doing. I started telling the editor. Anytime I make like an even remotely edgy joke,

just put up like some campaign propaganda like shit that my opponent did overlaid over the footage so that's unusable for them. Little do you know, they're also secretly doing the Brandon cut, which is just the entire episode but only cropped in on you. They could probably sell it to the DNC for a little bit of money.

Yep. Make that money. No, they can't. There you go. Editor, forget you heard that. Chase, stop. See, this is the thing is our editors. Please.

Our editors know that if we lose our jobs, they also lose theirs. You know, you're, there's no money in canceling me. If I lose this race, I'm firing all of you. It's all their fault. Now, you guys have been covering, well, with your content, you used to do more cryptids and still missing cases, but now you're going into what's happening modern. So you had like the Lindsay.

Yeah, the Lindsay case was recent. That's the one. Yeah, we just did a two-part series on that. And at the end had an opinion that I think made everybody angry. Oh, that's always funny. I feel like if you're investigating of journalism, this is everyone off. You're annoying.

Those annoying little sh**s. They shouldn't have wore it. You know. Should have been dressed that way. I mean, honestly. Should have been wearing a turtleneck. Oh my God. Okay.

We had. All right. I love that. Wow. No, it's, it's one of those situations where I find myself agreeing partially with people I really don't want to agree with where like if you put all of the extrapolations together from the excuses that her defense used, it's like, yeah, women can't have rights.

So I don't like that one because I'm married to a woman and I would like for her to have rights. But at the same time, like you're being married to a woman. Happens a lot, actually. But no, the Lindsay case, it's like, yeah, every single argument that you can make to make her not guilty is an argument against women having agency, which is a really difficult position for you to put people in because, again, this is such a rare situation. This almost never happens,

but we've got an entire segment of the population who's insisting that she can't be held accountable for this because of her hormones. And, like, there's no way to have that conversation at scale where it's like, no, there's going to be really specific little ways of handling this, or we have to blanket ban women from vote. And that's probably not a politically expedient thing for anybody to do. Yeah, it's like there are implications to this sort of thing.

Well, there's also so many people that have opinions on the case that have bare minimum information. That's the biggest problem. That's the biggest problem. The amount of people that still think the husband killed the kids. Absolutely not. Like, that's one of the parts of it where I'm like, anybody who's saying that obviously doesn't know the facts of the case and they should shut the hell off. The defense never even implied that. No.

They're like, no, no, she killed them. Start with that. Well, now, now her lawyer is changing up the tune. now her lawyer's like, oh, we never admitted she killed the kids. And it's like, well, actually, you verbally did admit she killed the kids. Her civil suit admits she killed the kids. The jury was informed that she killed the kids. Like, everybody around here was operating under the assumption that she killed the kids.

You can't just turn around and say, well, now, no, no, we're actually going to do something else. Also, Massachusetts has the dumbest insanity plea law of anywhere in the country. Most places, you say, oh, I'm pleading insanity. I was not in my right mind at the time, which is why temporary insanity is kind of a silly one. but, oh, I wasn't in my right mind at the time. You know, I shouldn't be punished. I should be given help. Well, in those cases, the defense has to prove the person was insane when they committed the act.

In Massachusetts, it's the other way around where the prosecution has to prove the person was sane, which makes no sense. You can't, you're positing something. You have to prove. It's burden of proof. Basically, the defense somehow manages to put the burden of proof on the prosecution when the defense is the one making the claim. Just when you get to talk about cash app. I love cash app. I think we all use cash app.

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Pursuant to a license from Visa, USA, Inc. C, terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton Debit Flex card, and Bancourt Debt Flex card. Cash App, Savings, Direct Deposit, Roundups, overdraft, coverage, and discounts, provided by Cash App, a Blog, Inc. brand. Visit cash.com.com. They're the only state, right? Only state. So out of 50, it's... Well, for example, Ed Gein, this is another big insanity plea case that's happened. What he did was he went in, and his... His lawyers were like, yeah, he's completely insane and not competent to stand trial. So they kept him in a psych ward for a month and just ran tests and observed him and saw it was going on.

And by the end of it, the psychologists who did the interviews with him and everything, they were like, yeah, he's not, he genuinely doesn't understand why what he did is wrong. Was that the mine hunter guy? No, which one was that? He's a leather face up in Wisconsin. He dug up a lot of bodies. Yeah, dug up bodies and turned people into lamps and shit. Yeah. Oh, but did.

That is what Gein did too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what that's who we were talking about. Yeah, that is. Yeah.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. No, we're saying the other one from Mine Hunter wasn't this one. And Gene was the one that did leather face and a lot of serial killers. Yeah. So pretty much, I would think that the defense could pretty much rest on the fact that this is what my client did. He's clearly insane from the action. Yeah. But even then they couldn't.

Like the prosecution was gunning for first-degree murder and for two of the cases. and then for a whole bunch of other crimes for everything else. Which I mean, it makes sense. But the defense basically was like, hey, there's two aspects to this law. One is, is he competent to participate in his own defense? The other is, does he understand that what he did is wrong? And on both counts, they were like, he's not competent to stand in his own defense, and he does not understand why what he did was wrong.

And then they kept him in a mental hospital for the remainder of his life, which is how that should be handled. They did put him on trial a couple more times to see if he was. was able to stand trial and to be punished for what he did. There's also a cheaper option. There is a much cheaper option, yes. But in Gein's case, it was like, yeah, this is a, it's kind of like looking at it where it's somebody who's, you know, IQ sub 70 and you're like, can we really kill

that guy? Does he really understand what he did wrong? The answer is yes. Okay, so there's a range of opinions on this subject. I was like, now you're not, this table right here's very different. It's not a range of opinions on this subject. Oh, I thought it was just a practical question. Yeah, those people are killable.

Legitimately, yeah. Welcome to Texas. They certainly are killable. It's just a question whether or not you should. You get a particularly ornery dog. What do you do with it? And he can't take a f*** test.

Oh, so you're telling me he can't take a nine millimeter to the back of the head. You're telling me he's dangerous and can't be fixed. Anyway, but the point of the matter... So he would babysit your kids. Bring him in... He did babysit people.

Oh, I know. Fucking really? No, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was a babysitter. But he also never did anything to the kids. Nope. Well, he didn't do anything

the kids other than, you know, like, put on one of the masks in front of them to try to scare them, which would probably be pretty fucked up. Did it also, like, not really work on the kids, too? The kids were more confused than they were scared. Yeah. Which is apparently what happened in the Lindsay Clancy case, because there's no defensive wounds. But, yeah, in her case, the thing is with Gein, he was retried several times. And they kept determining, yeah, this guy is incompetence stand trial.

He's got to remain in a mental hospital. With Massachusetts, the way it works is that if Lindsay Clancy is found not guilty by reason of insanity, she goes to a mental hospital for six months. And then they can release her if she is apparently competent. Well, give your reasoning why you have your opinion that you did, because you have particularly nuanced takes on that in terms of her responsibility in the case. Oh, yeah. What exactly was the opinion?

Because I think we kind of glanced around. Sure. So the end verdict was hung trial. Nobody can decide. One person stopped. Yeah. One person stopped all of. this.

And also, everything Reddington did afterwards is beyond the pale and he should be disbarred. He's a fantastic lawyer. He's a terrible human being. You know, asking the president for a pardon, knowing that the president could not pardon his client. It's all performative. It's all performative. The whole point is to taint the jury pool, make sure that they can't have a proper trial

of her for a second one because it looks like they're going to have one. Now, my opinion on it was after reviewing everything and looking at. over all the details, whether or not she was psychotic at the time of the murders is actually irrelevant because she did not claim to have been psychotic when she checked herself out of a mental hospital. She did not claim to be psychotic when she decided to stop taking her medications against doctor's orders. She had not claimed to be psychotic at any point leading up to this as she was making medical decisions for herself. And those medical decisions, as she is alleged in her civil suit, are what led to the murders happening.

So she, in her rational mind, made decisions which led to these murders occurring by taking herself off medication, by checking herself out of the mental hospital, which means that she, at the very least, bears a degree of responsibility for negligent homicide. Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes. While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. So decisions made in her sane mind is what led to this. Yes. Therefore circumventing the temporary.

Which is why I think that she deserves to go to jail no matter what the murder thing is because, you know, whether or not she was insane at the time, she made decisions which led to that happening and she needs to be held accountable for it. That pissed off everybody? Yeah, because you'd be surprised on this case. It was very, because the aisle we sit on is, it's, we look at that and it's like, oh, that's stupid. You'd murder your three kids. Yeah. Like, wow, wild idea. But how that side defended her or would go after anyone if they didn't fall in line with that,

ideology is fucking insane. Because they would, like, witch hunt you, essentially. There were two primary camps for that defense. One of them was the medical industry failed her because she had multiple different doctors, multiple different psychiatrists that were all prescribing her tons of different medications that all had. That was a shocking thing to me. The amount of drug she was on was fucking insane. Yeah, and it was that.

And then it was also. then the kind of TikTok psychosis where they were all starting to think that Patrick did it. And that was a lot of people that were essentially just like, TikTok psychosis. The craziness of the Patrick Did It crowd is really the scariest part of the whole thing because there's no evidence that he did it. Their entire argument is based on misunderstandings of what happened. And you can explain this to them and they double down on it. They're all treating it like it's a true crime show that they're listening to. And it's like, well, waiting for the plot twist at the end.

end and it was actually the husband who did it. It's like, no, you dumb fucking c- this woman murdered her three children. The argument that we're having is whether she is culpable for what she did because she was loaded full of fucking pills. She took herself off of them.

The postpartum shit, even though the kids were, you know, three years old at the youngest or whatever. Eight months. Eight months was the youngest. That is ripped through that community like fucking crack in the 80s. Whitewood.

Yeah, fucking. dumb white bitches. It's been weird because we're in it. We make true crime content. But we don't do it the way most of the big true crime creators do it. We do it in a very different style. We said yesterday it's you're not going into these as a true crime. You're like, oh, we're going to solve this murder.

It's, hey, let's just build the evidence and see which way this. See where it takes us. See where it lands. I want to approach it the way I imagine a detective would approach a case where something needs to be explained to people. And it's like, what does all the evidence tell us? And, you know, how do we extrapolate it? How do we interpret it from there?

But in the true crime community, it's just gotten to the point where you've got very few people who do what we do. And a lot of people who their whole goal is to capitalize and make money. And they don't care about the effect that it's going to have on people. And I think in the one sense, there's the immediate effects of the people you're talking about and their families and all that. You know, you don't want to cause unnecessary harm. They're not movie characters. Exactly. They're real people.

So you don't want to cause unnecessary harm. You want to be careful about it. But then there's the knock-on effects where when these creators get popular and they keep phrasing things a certain way, they keep explaining things a certain way, they keep telling certain stories, and they leave out facts and they leave out details, all for the sensationalism or whatever, then you have a societal effect where people more and more begin to misunderstand how any of this works. So you've got, you know, true crime creator, their fans, and then their fans tell people how they interpreted what the true crime creator said,

and then those people tell other people what they heard from their friends. And eventually you've got a ton of people who believe things that simply aren't true, which is what happened with Lindsay Clancy. It's like half of the information out there that people will tell you is just false. Like not even twisted, not, you know, based off of the truth, but just objectively wrong. Just objectively wrong information. Nobody does their due diligence setting. Yeah.

And also stuff like they're like, well, why was the dad's, DNA found on the exercise bands because he pulled them off the kids. And he lives in the house. And he lives in the house. He's probably used them. They're like, well, Lindsay's DNA wasn't found in the exercise bands. It was. It just was. See, like stuff like that where, again, a majority of people

are like, nope, see. And you're like, no, that's easily proven wrong. Yeah. Well, because this is an issue that I have with creators that will remain unnamed. But the way that YouTube works and the way that, you know, basically you're just, you're working for clicks.

Like a lot of these people, if let's say, Kentucky ballistics. Yeah, fuck you, Scott. Him and his sensationalist true crime videos. Aren't those the guys who like blew up it on Peter Fee next to their head? That was ballistic high speed. Ballistic guy is a much worse guy. Yeah, he's a very good, dear friend.

But he's, but like there's creators that, let's say like 95% of people are saying the same thing because it's the truth. And like, that's actually what happened. but that 5% can then counter, and there's at least 30% of the population that's willing to believe that and go along with that. So they're like, oh, fuck, this is a better untapped market share.

There's a bunch of just grifting. I was going to say that will absolutely do that. Yeah, because they don't believe it. Most of them know that it's not true. The entire flat of the community. Because they know that there is a community there that is willing to watch it. That's the missing 401 stuff.

That's probably the best example I've ever seen of that. Really? Oh my God. And I bought into it hook, hook, line, and sinker. Like, originally I was like, man, this seems like there's really something weird going on. All these people disappearing the woods and the cops can't figure out what's going on.

Like, that seems real. And I spent three years researching it to come to the conclusion that this is all made up. Really? So, Connor, you're safe. This entire thing is bullshit. They're never going to find me. I'm not like, okay, I have to, for legal reasons, I have to say this is my opinion. But in my opinion, the whole missing 411 franchise and phenomenon exists for the sole purpose of getting people to spend money,

investigating Bigfoot. Get some... What? Yep. Well, give an example, like a couple, like missing 401 cases. So, okay, this is bullshit. Yeah, back in, I think it was the 80s, a girl named Teresa Beer. She's 15 or 16.

She's in California. She disappears. And the way David Politis presents this story is that she had gone... Give background on who he is real quick. He is, according, well, I found out he's got a master's degree in HR, so a lot makes more sense now. But he is a former police officer from California, San Diego, specifically. he writes books called Missing 411, and these books are about people who go missing

under mysterious circumstances. Originally, the whole idea was going missing in national parks, and then he made one that was basically just copying off of the Smiley Face Killers thing, which was kind of weird. Now he's got one that's a specific movie just about disappearances in the national parks of Washington, which I watched and realized I've covered half of the cases already, which was kind of fun because I was like, oh, this will be easy to debunk.

But, you know, for example, one from that case, sorry, no, it was a different one. What was I thinking of? Yeah, Teresa Beer. This is the 1980s. In David Politis's first book, Missing 411 Western United States, he says that Teresa, you know, went off for a hike with this neighbor, and then the neighbor came back, but she didn't. And the neighbor ended up telling the police that she was abducted by a tribe of Sasquatch. And they went. A likely story.

Yeah. So he cites specific newspaper articles to tell this story. And so I go and I read those newspaper articles, and it turns out the exact same ones he referenced, all say that police have determined this man actually kidnapped the girl and probably murdered her, and that the whole tribe of Sasquatch thing was complete bullshit. Well, well, well, well, which is what any reason. David Colitis, which is more likely. David Politis instead leaves out everything else and just kind of leaves it at, you know,

the guy said that she had been abducted by a tribe of Sasquatch and when police found the camp, they couldn't find any evidence to the contrary. And I'm like, explain the evidence to the contrary to me. What would you consider evidence to the contrary that this girl was kidnapped by a tribe of Sasquatch? The guy who obviously killed her said that. And that was the thing too, is like this guy had been a problem. He had been stalking her. Teresa was a special needs girl.

He was trying to save her from the Sasquatch. He knew their target. Yeah, it's the most obvious thing ever. And also, he had been, like, feeding her this story of, like, we should go look for Sasquatch in the mountains for weeks. Why wouldn't you go with, like, mountain lion? Because that's objective. It's not as big enough.

Listen, man, until you felt the tender embrace of a female Sasquatch, I'm going to need to shut your mouth. I thought you were going somewhere else with that, and I got very concerned. The police officer, it's like, what happened? You got to. I never going to believe this. You're right. I don't.

You have the right to remain fucking silent. You're right. She was abducted. It's just like... Yeah. That's probably one of the most obvious ones. Wait, did they not arrest, homie? No, they did.

He actually did end up not being convicted, though. What? They had no evidence to convict him. It was all circumstantial. They had no physical evidence tying him to the crime and no body. They never found her body, so... Oh, I see.

He did end up getting... convicted of something else several years later, and I'm pretty sure he died in prison. Did he, did he blame that on Saskwatch? No, no. It was like, yeah, it was like robbery. Yeah, whatever. The squatch is held up that bank. Well, and so the reason specifically that

Saskwatch is mentioned that Politis is probably doing the whole thing for Bigfoot is because before he started doing all these missing 401 books and documentaries, what was he doing? He was writing books about Bigfoot. Today we're talking about Pancho. Our sponsor, Pancho, everyone where is Pancho?

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He started an organization called North America Bigfoot Search, I think. Yep. And he says that he was working a different job as like HR or sales, it was some other corporate gig. and his bosses got really into Bigfoot and just came to him and they were like, hey, we know you were a police officer and you're into Bigfoot,

can you find Bigfoot for us? And he's like, yeah, I can find Bigfoot for you. That's his story. Crazy thing to claim. Yeah, how his research into Bigfoot got started. I'm like, well, obviously you must have been interested in Bigfoot before 2008. Because you started this organization like 2006.

So I'm looking into everything. And he's also got this story about how the missing four-on-one thing started, which has changed every single time he's told it. it's kind of like Steven Seagal telling fight stories but it starts off with he's working on a documentary for something

he's looking into something some interesting trends in the forest he doesn't say it's Bigfoot but in later retellings it's clear that this is about Bigfoot he was interviewing some people sometimes it's park contractors sometimes it's Rangers

sometimes it's off-duty employees sometimes it's off-season employees and then later that night a Ranger shows up to his motel room out of uniform and knocks on the door, except sometimes it's two rangers, sometimes it's two male rangers, sometimes it's a male and a female. They tell him that people have been going missing in the parks and nobody's really doing anything about it and, you know, somebody's got to look into it.

And then there's, you know, that part usually remains pretty much the same. But he asks, you know, do people know about this? And then he gets a call from somebody and the FBI's trying to shut him down. And most recently he got in touch with, who's the representative from Tennessee who's into UFOs? Timbershett. He somehow got in contact with Burchett. He somehow got in contact with Burchett. This is my whole gig right now.

Yeah, I'm like, but it's like the UFO's, you're like, well, he's a very funny guy. He's like a very funny representative. Dude, if you win, I would love the hookup to bring him on our show because that would be hilarious. He's genuine. Well, we get first dibs. Is he? Okay.

Super into UFO. Like a lot of the UFO disclosures. He's also, I think he's the guy that rides the skateboard. around the Capitol. Incredible. But no, with politis, like he got in touch with politis and said

he would get him in touch with the DOI. And then the DOI never stroke this episode. We got lions and fucking malls. We got like skateboarding congressman is obsessed with UFOs. A little girl got

by Bigfoot. What the fuck, it sounds like a Blink 182 album. It does. It looks like that last part. No. No, that would, that's the bonus track.

Oh. Yeah. They have a song where the opening lyric is, it's Christmas. Eve and my grandpa just states seven fucking hot dogs and he shit, shit, shit, shit his pants. He's always fucking shit in his pants.

They can have a song about Bigfoot a teenager. I'd prefer they didn't. Me too, me too. I feel like I'm gonna wake up on my best friend's couch in high school. The last 10 years of my life were a mushroom trip, bro. You want to go to the mall? He's like, bro, that salvia is crazy, huh?

Let's go check out the lions at the mall. Dude, I feel like all too well. I spent seven years as a brick in the unsub house. No, guys, you'll never believe me. I was harassing a future congressman with a didgerie dude. That is an objectively wild thing to say. That was last night. I tweeted that last night and somebody said this sentence has never been said before.

Dude, I love marking that when people say something to be like, that is the first time in history. Somebody said that for sure. Jeez. All right, so back to Squatch. Oh, yeah. I can talk squash all day. I just say, so do a lot of the 411, like 411s, whatever they're called, just crazy people making up story and then it just took root.

So here's the thing. It's usually not crazy people making up a story. It's usually a very mundane and boring story that a crazy person took and made crazy. There's like this story about that. One specific crazy person. The little boy who went missing and like all they found was his shoe. That's like seven of them. Yeah.

I assume you mean Dennis Martin. No, Martin, they never found anything. Oh, wait. is it Aaron Hedges? No, that was an adult. And because there were, there were like two theories there was either he was abducted

by like this. I think I know your, like a file killer who was running around. Less Stroud involved in this one. Maybe. All right. I'm trying to think of which one.

Because there's a few of them where it's like all they found was a missing shoe or his clothes were folded on a rock. That's where his hands were in shoes. Yeah. Well, I think this one was a random per, like one random dude was

talked to or discussed when he went missing. But past that he was just gone and they found a shoe like miles away. I think so. I think a lot of them, I've heard a theory that it's like the way, the way the people go missing

and the way that parts of them are found, it's similar to like how mountain lions hunt. Interesting. This one, the kid, I think the parents. Yeah, it was like a family. Outing, they were just hanging out and they didn't even go hiking.

It was literally in their little area. Yeah, they were like playing, hide and go seek, and then the kid's just fucking gone forever. See, that sounds like Dennis Martin. Yeah, that one would be Dennis Martin. But the shoe was found. Martin took the child.

There is another one that's more recent, and Dior Coons is a similar story to that, but it looks more like there might have been foul play in that one. Dennis Martin was one in the great smokies in the late 60s who vanished after a game of hide-and-seek. And they never found him. And of course, before we had gone there and seen the spot for herself, I was like, I can't comprehend this. How could he have gone missing with nobody seeing it? Then we got out there. And there are spots where if you step off the trail, you're falling,

eight feet into a bush. Oh, there's also, like, there's a ton of, especially if you're trying to go down the mountain, there's a lot of drainage where it's like the path itself will curve, but there's a drainage that goes straight, essentially directly off a 20-foot cliff. And if you're, what was he, six? Six, yeah. Yeah, if you're six and you're lost and you're just trying to follow the trail and you're not looking up, you could easily just dunk right over it. Well, kids don't have that height factor. No, fear. Was it literally the other day? It was a mom going, I'd, uh, I, uh, I, uh, God, I hope my kid does not fall

because the kid was climbing a tree. This is a six-year-old, and the kid is 50. Oh, yeah. I'm sure we all did that shit when we were little kids. Yeah, and the mom's just filming. It's like, hey, you should probably come down, and he's like, okay. You're swinging.

And she's like, oh, my God. You don't want to freak him out. No, can you just get down from there? I saw that video, too. That freaked me out as a parent. Yeah. And then the kid had, like, webs on him and we're like,

pikes him off and you're like, oh, man, that is fucking terrifying. Yeah. No fear. The amount of shit I climbed in the woods that I would never let my child climb. Oh, yeah. Uncountable.

I spent a lot of time in trees as a kid. You let him hear a tiger. Yeah. So a six-year-old and then like, listen, dude, I've seen the Tiger King's third husband's cock, so what do you want to say to me? Why? Oh, I didn't ask for it if that's what you're wondering.

That's really the only question I have. I don't know. Why? He added me on Snapchat. it was during COVID. This is before we started on Snapchat. Was it solicited? No.

Nope. Tiger King messaged me during COVID and said that he wanted to do podcast appearances and it was going to cost like a couple hundred dollars for 20 minutes or something like that. That was weird from his official account. That's crazy. I all said yes. Oh my, you should have had him. You should have had him do it.

Like that would have been fantastic. Because, well, that's a good. case to even discuss because he's well no never mind i'm thinking of the other guy that got what kicked off the entire true crime on netflix it was to make a murderer i think so making a murderer yeah you remember that one yeah that guy was innocent but then they left out a lot of details that also showed i i love how we started with tigers in cages old crazy men and missing people and we just slowly brought them all together with tiger king yeah i mean tiger king is making a murderer are the ones that

really COVID was a wild time. Tiger King could have fenced Sasquatch. Probably did. Yeah, a male one specifically. Like the one part where he's like, I do drugs, I am gay. We know.

I am addicted to drugs, I own guns, I am a homosexual. I could have intuitive all of that. I said, I could have intuited all of that. What? I said, I could have intuited. it at all.

Did you guys watch Making a Murderer? None of you have watched that one. That is pretty much what kicked off that entire You've seen it show? She's a woman. They did a really good job on that

because that's how he got the second season, which tanked, and then they didn't give it a third, so no one gave a fuck after that. Everyone's like, let him out of jail. He's getting apart it. He didn't do it, or him and his mouth few. Listen, that bitch Carol Baskin, though. That's definitely killed her husband.

We're going to do an episode on that soon. Okay, so we were thinking about making that a pepperbox exclusive episode. Striking while the iron's hot, I see. Not yet. I mean, from everything that they, everything that they put on the Netflix show. It looked like she fucking killed her husband. Yeah, speaking, by the way, we do have a pepperbox exclusive. I want to mention that.

It should be up by now. Yeah, it's called American Monsters. It's about serial killers. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Figured I should mention that at some point. Oh, yeah. The LurLodge exclusive, but then we also have a special exclusive coming out.

Oh, yeah. We also know a history on hinged episode that we couldn't use on YouTube or Patreon. And we were like, we know where this is going to go. Somebody got a right to you. I might have referred to several ethnicities as not being human. Well, don't do that. They will surprise you. There's a line.

They will surprise you. Well, when you're going with monsters, that's, are you doing it based off of some of the, they started that new series? Monsters on Netflix. Yeah. So the first one, actually, yes. That was kind of how I had the idea was we were covering Ed Gein. It was at the same time that Monster Ed Gein had come out, which terrible, just horrifically

inaccurate and to the point of being slander against certain people. Yeah, like the woman who plays his love interest the entire movie, whose actual name is escaping me right now, she knew the guy for like a total of eight months and they went out to walk in the park a couple of times. and they make her like the inspiration for his killings. Holy shit. It's a real person. It's a real person with a real name.

And there's no way that guy was getting bullshit. I don't know about that. The same thing about Bernice Warden. The one woman he kills, you know, they have there be a whole affair between her and Ed Gein, and that never happened. Like there was never any relationship between those two.

And the show could have had it be, you know, like it was his imagination and it was perception and, you know, he was just going insane. and thought this had happened, but they don't. They make it a real thing that happened. The dramatic effect is, I don't see how that's legal in any capacity.

Because she's dead. Okay. Which still sucks for them or their family members. Like, oh, well, this girl was the problem. Or however, they betrayed it. 40 years later, yeah, somebody comes along with a multi-million dollar budget to slander your grandma. It's kind of fucking.

And she had kids. Like, she probably has living descendants who saw this. But this has happened with, pretty much every Netflix thing that we've covered, especially the John Bonaise series. The John Bonae series was just despicable because of how many things they let John lie about. Which we are restarting our investigation into that. The first one of those just went up. What do you think about the other monsters things?

Because I really enjoyed the one that they did about, like, I think it was the Mendoza brothers. Yeah. I've heard that that one was decent in terms of realism and that it's just been getting worse. Because that's the wild part is that that's still an ongoing thing where these guys might get, fucking let out of prison. I forget what the other. Oh, really? I didn't know that.

From what I have heard about that. Not pardoned. Good behavior. Yeah, when they do an interview. Parole. Thank you. Oh, hit parole,

yeah. Because there was that one and then there was Dahmer, which I really like the Dahmer one. Dommer, how, that one had felt pretty fucking spot on. I mean, his story is fucked up enough where you don't have to change it.

Where at Gein, I do believe his story is, yes, he's crazy, but it's not to the degree like Texas Chainsaw Massacre where they're like, oh, he's a fucking psychopath.

He only killed like two people, didn't he? Yeah, he only killed two people. Most of his victims were already dead when he dug them up. Most would say two, too, too many. Definitely two too many. Yeah, but no argument there. But he did only kill two people. He's not really a, he's not a serial killer.

He doesn't fit the serial killer mold. And another funny thing is that in the show, he helps them track down Ted Bundy. Is that what? That did not happen. No, that did. Now, the FBI did speak to him. The FBI did send John Douglas and another. profiler to go and interview Gein, but Douglas is quoted as saying that

Gein was so insane that they couldn't get anything useful out of them, even for their purposes, which were not like an actual crime they were solving. It was them studying the psychology of serial killers. And they were like, yeah, Gein was so insane that we couldn't get anything useful out of him. So, no, he did not help with catching Ted Bundy. You know who helped catch Ted Bundy? Ted fucking Bundy.

Yeah. Dude was an idiot. Like, he gets away with it for so long. and then escapes from prison twice and proceeds to immediately commit crimes again. He just couldn't help it, man. It's remarkable. Well, I can't remember that's another comedian that's got that bit about, like, you know that that guy had to be actually, like, attractive as far charmed as fuck.

Because, like, his line was, I don't know how to, like, my car's broken down. Can you please help me to women? It's like, wait a minute. That's the line that got all these women. Holy shit. He got several women in one day by being like, I can't load my boat onto my car. Yeah.

Several women in one day. Well, he'd be like have a cast and a crutch and carrying books and be like, oh, I need your help. And it's actually hilarious because there are women who would say no. And he'd be like very frustrated by it. And there were some that were just like, yeah, that feels wrong.

I'm just not going to do that. And then I think one had a boyfriend who she was like, yeah, my boyfriend can help you. And then Ted was just like, I'm good. Thanks. Lurge. But also, it's... His progression.

Broken arm. It's... Briggs cast. Oh, dark. Soil again! Gets into his Volkswagon. Swiping. What kind of shopper are you?

I'm the kind that gets bags. Stop being a... And we're... Four seconds in. Four seconds into the head. You can't say... Baguette is how it's pronounced. Ah.

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His early victims are adult women who are generally like pretty high status. Either they're in college or they come from a good family or something like that. By the end, he's going after like 12-year-old girls. He goes from like kidnapping people and then killing them

in ways that are kind of difficult for anybody to solve to just like beating 12 year old girls to death and throwing them in a swamp. Was there any reason? It seems more like he was devolving and he was actually losing control

and just going after anything which is weird when it comes to a rarity though. When it comes to the kids, yeah, that's usually it's you've got offenders who are preferential and he doesn't seem like he's a f*** file at first

because he's going after adult women when teenage girls are going to be the easier targets. So it seems like his preferences for adult women, but as he devolves further, he goes after younger and younger, and it seems like it was probably because they were the easier targets, not because he was attracted to younger girls,

which he might have been. He might have been a fiasile too. I don't know. Because I don't remember if his crimes were inherently sexual. It seems like they probably were. I don't know that they ever recovered any hard evidence because it was the 70s, and we don't get DNA analysis until the 90s. Right, and he'd already fried by then.

Yeah, he was gone. Well, he was also weird because he had that kind of, whether it was real or not, Dr. Jekyll's suicide thing going on. Yeah, he did. He would be very, his personality would change quite a bit, depending on who he was talking to, and what time of day it was. Like, there were definitely some things wrong with him. And he would never claim responsibility for his crimes because he always claimed it was

essentially a different personality. Yeah, he claimed that he was inhabited by another person. personality, but he didn't really, he kind of talked about it in demonic terms, but not quite. I will say that the biggest flashbang of that entire show was at the very end, the Florida judge being played by Sheldon from Big Bang. Yeah. I was not prepared for that. Yeah, no.

That's a very serious show up until that exact moment. Wait, what show is this? The Ted Bundy, uh, Netflix show. Oh, I never watched. Oh, no, it wasn't the Netflix. I'm sorry. There's a movie. The movie.

Yeah, the movie was Zach Efron. Zach Efron. I never watched it. Hit that motherfucker. the Bazinga. Life. Bazing. Chair.

The only thing I know about that man is the only reason they had him wear long sleeves throughout the entirety of Big Bang is because he was too yoked and it didn't fit the character. What? Yeah, apparently he was shredded. Hey, can I ask another question? How did that show get a spinoff?

And how did the spin-off get a spin-off? I found out about... It made a trillion dollars. Yeah, the spin-off is Young Sheldon. And then the spin-off of Young Sheldon is like George and Mandy's first marriage. which is starring Emily Osmond and some guy where the premise is that Emily Osmond's character

is 10 years older than her husband and she's only like 33. I think there's another spinoff too. There was the future big... I've seen a trailer when, I don't know, it looks like a sci-fi movie for show. Interesting. That show, yeah, made a bazillion dollars.

And they're like, well, let's keep milking it. Oh, young Sheldon worked fucking... That got a billion seasons. Just keep printing dollars. It is weird because Emily Osmond feels like she should be a lot older than she is to me. I'm realizing she's probably only like six year old older than I am. Who?

Like she's got to be in her mid-30s. Emily Osmond. She was the side character in Hannah Montana. We are. Yeah, Brandon shouldn't be too old for this. I'm not too old for it. I just never fucking watched Hannah Montana.

She kind of looks like Haley Joel Osmond if he was a woman. Oh, actually that really does help. I think I know what you're talking about. Fuck guys, you ancient fucks. She could get it So we're at a table of aged Wizards Where's the orb

I'm only 40? Yeah, where's your orb mother fuck? We have other things to ponder We're the dragon balls They're over here The monsters So after the monster series is like Okay we're going to do a couple of these

And then it actually took off into now Yeah Like okay we can hit Everything I've heard about the Lizzie Borden series Is that the Lizzie Borden series Is terribly inaccurate Really? Yeah

That was the chick with the axe right? Yeah Well probably very boring I believe that. You see, here's the thing I went to do the story. I was going to cover it for the channel,

I think actually for Pepperbox and then I was reading through it. I'm like, oh, this is super boring. It's literally, we have to make up everything. Like,

it makes sense that, you know, the most boring true crime story in history would be the story of a woman in New England. Bitch went crazy and hacked her family up.

It's like, yeah, if I lived in New England, I probably would too. You ever been there? Boring. There's nothing going on. You ever been in Antarctica? it? No, and I don't want to go. I feel like, here's the thing. I grew up in a very preppy area

of Pennsylvania. And the last thing I want to do is go on vacation in an even more preppy place. You know? I just never had a really good time in New England. Yeah, Lizzie Borden wasn't rude. That's just how they are up there. That's the, I fucking hate that shit. The worst fucking cop out. Like you go to like Boston in these places, we've done live shows and shit and everybody's a fucking asshole. And they'll just be, yeah, well, you know everyone around his, like they're an ass. asshole, but like, they're honest. So like, that's good. And I'm like, no, it's still not. You're still just a dick. What's the place we got? Was New England the Kevin trip? Yeah. Kevin trip is the worst place on just the service, everything. Everyone's

dicks. Horrible look for the libertarians. It was like their state. It. Yeah. Yeah, the live free or die state. Yeah. And yeah, we did not have a good time. The first time I fought with cops. It was not the first time you fought with cops. Oh, you know what. I just like waking up, it's like, oh, this happened last night. I was like, what? I mean everything about that, the bartender to where we got, we ate at, and it was just rude. They, like, they got pissed that we wanted to order food, essentially.

The waiter came over and he's like, do you want to order, like, drinks or something? And we're like, well, we are sitting down at a table in a restaurant, and you're the waiter. So I figure we may as well, when in Rome. Do you show up at, like, five minutes before closed? at about, I don't know, 6.30 in the evening when most people eat dinner. That is when most people eat dinner.

You know, like, but everybody around you, like, I know we're all assholes and shit, but that's just like how we do it. I'm like, I know, I know it is. I don't like it. I had to apologize to a white woman in a Dunkin' Donuts once because of a New England friend.

Weird qualifier. How frequently do you see white people working at Dunkin' Donuts? I can't tell you the last time I did a Duncan. We don't have a lot of it. Oh, right. We're in Texas.

Yeah. Well, okay, so if you're from the Northeast, all the Duncans are run by Indians. Oh, yeah. It's very rare that you see a Duncan that is not run by Indians. So this was an instance where it was one of those rare duncan's run by white people. Yeah. In the Northeast, yeah, it sure fucking is.

I had something, but I made eye contact with Brannon. I'm like, no. India runs on Duncan. Yeah, but so we're in this Duncan, and my friend had left her ring, not her wedding ring, mind you. she's not married or engaged. She's left her ring in the bathroom. And then we drive back to the house

we were all staying at and she realized that she left her ring. I'm like, oh, let's go back to the Dunkin. We go to the Duncan. And she walks up and we're standing there. I'm not kidding for maybe 90 seconds while the two sets of people in front of us order. And as the second set of people

is trying to finish up their order, my friend just starts yelling at both the customers and the staff. And she's from Massachusetts. So it's, you know, all in that accent. And she is just berating these poor people, demanding to be let into the bathroom. There's someone in the bathroom.

She can't go in there anyway. They tell her this. She doesn't care. She keeps yelling. I finally usher her out of the Dunkin' Donuts. I go to apologize. And I, there's really no, like, funny part to the story. It's just like...

You lost a friend. Yeah, I was like, your friend sounds like she sucks. That is kind of the moral of stories. It's just, like, there's no funny part. It's just weird thing you described her as a friend. My friend. Oh, still. You did that.

You did name drop her. I really I probably should have given a fake name. Yeah, there's enough people with that name in the world. She's going to find out

about this somehow and I'm going to get none that you know in the group chat. Yeah. It sounds like you won't really care at this point. Yeah.

Sounds like her berating people's kind of standard. Yeah, but no, it's just very typical Massachusetts like Boston, you know, just bitching out the Duncan Donuts

worker for something they can't control because you made a mistake and left your ring in the bathroom. Like, that's on you, dude. The New Hampshire bartender

was just trying hit me. Yeah, that was wild. Not, like, hit you, not hit on you. Like, no, physically strike. The hell happened, you know? I don't do anything. We're trying to order drinks. And it's not like we don't tip, we don't do anything. Like, we're very

accommodating. I saw this man tip 6% yesterday. Dude, it's like we are, we, alright, Steve Bishammy. No, like, yeah, take care of the people that take care of you. It's not like we're assholes in that regard, but yeah, no, that was they just did not like, well,

It was bizarre because they didn't like because we were out of town. We were out of towners. And they're just like, oh, you didn't grow up here. Fuck you. Sorry, I'm trying to bring money to your economy. Yeah. What was your ID? They got pissed about something.

I know, reading you drink out. Cody took a beer outside because I was smoking a cigarette. He just came out to talk to me. And it's not like we were in the middle of Main Street. We're just like hanging off to the side of this bar. They had like a little wooden patio. And the bartender. Yeah, the bartender freaked the fuck out at Cody.

I think you guys went to the worst bar in New England. You know, how that we had that happen like everywhere we went in New England. Everybody was just rude as fuck. God, sometimes I forget how lucky we are in our town. Oh, Pennsylvania's great. Pennsylvania is a fantastic place to live. Our town literally shuts the streets down from like May until October and it's open carry, like not guns. To be clear, when we say open carry, we do mean alcohol.

They will get weird if you carry guns. Yeah. Not the town. Like not the government, the people. Yeah. Yeah. But, no, yeah, I mean, you can just like drink going and out of bars and restaurants or whatever. It's a great time.

So whatever the hell is going on up there. Pretty decent carry state, though, right? Pennsylvania? Yeah. As long as you are outside of Philadelphia, you can open carry constitutionally. And your concealed carry is basically you just go and you say, hey, I want one. Don't open carry. I will be the one dude that says don't do it just because it's target number one.

I hate the idea of it. I hate that. I mean, you look so weird. And I know people are, Bob, it's your right. It is. And you look stupid. Everybody should have the right to do it. And nobody should.

Nobody should. You don't know why. I would prefer to open carry. It's a very simple reason. I don't like shoving the gun in my pants. Well, it's like, I don't like having the pistol pointed directly at my cock and balls. You get caught. I don't even know.

If you have a good holster, you're never going to notice that. Yeah, we'll get a poster. Otherwise, it is, I have a gun. If I'm a bad guy, walk in, I'm like, okay. Okay, 10. It better me than somebody else. I'll give the exception that if you're like, if you're, if you are working like a manual labor field or like you're in the country or on farm and stuff like that, open carry is just. Also, if it's a revolver, the drip of having a revolver on your hip outweighs anything else.

I was going to say, you just want to be able to get a cowboy time and not get judged. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. It's like walking with two pisses. Like, ah, I'm like, no, don't you put it away.

You talk. I open carried. I opened carried for three years. And it was because the state I was in didn't allow me to consider. conceal carry before 21. I could carry openly at 18, but had to conceal, or I couldn't conceal until 21. So, like, legally speaking, I had to open carry, which... You're totally five.

What's up? Nothing. But he's like, no, I just... Sometimes you just want to do cowboy shit. It's always so weird seeing people do that to me, because I'm like, why would you fucking show that off ever? Not, dude, I'm keeping three single action armies, one here, one here, one here. Oh, dude, speaking of cowboy...

I'm putting a fourth one on my back. The black beard, six pistol. If I was a crazy person, I really wanted a gun, I'd go to somewhere where people open carry and be like, all right, he's walking to his car, brick. Three guns. I was like, you snagging. Cody's like, no, brick attack.

Magic brick. I throw brick. Cody uses brick. It's highly effective. I will say, he uses steel. Donk. I think we met the most cowboy man alive. in Montana.

Oh, yeah. Are you talking about the dude whose dad shot a bear with a 30-pound drawweight bow? 35, but yeah, no, this guy, we went to a rodeo just in West Yellowstone. And the guy... I didn't even happen until I talked to him myself

and saw the video of it. Well, it's the thing. So I went the week prior to this rodeo, and I'd never been to a rodeo before because I hadn't spent a lot of time out west and I was like, this is sick. Not a lot of rodeos in Pennsylvania. Not a lot of rodeos in Pennsylvania.

But I was intrigued by what I found was the pickup guys, who were the guys on the horses who corral the bull into the shoot. And so I went up after the thing to the side of the rail because he was talking to people. And I was like, dude, just wanted to say, I think you guys have the coolest fucking job here. Like that looks badass. And he was like, thanks, man. I appreciate that. And he saw I had a Hoyt hat on. He was like, oh, are you into bow hunting? I was like, yeah, I just started. And he was like, compound or, you know, recurve or whatever.

I was like, yeah, I got a compound. He's like, oh, you got to do a stick bow? I'm like, what do you? Like a long bow? And he was like, yeah, you got to get into the stickbow hunting. And I'm like, do you do that? And he was like, yeah. of course I do. I'm like, what are you talking about? And he was like, yeah, you know, me and my sons will go out and we'll go stickbow hunting, whatever, and he pulls out his phone and he's showing me these pictures. His sons are five and three. Holy five. And he's got like a 900 pound elk that he got with a literal longbow. And they're 35 pound drawweight long well, no, his was 75. Oh his, okay, that's an appropriate drawweight for hunting. And I'm like,

you do this often? He was like, yeah, we'll get bears with him too. Like, you know, my dad, he was, I think He was like 75 and he got a 10-foot grizzly with a 35-pound draw weight. And I was like, bullshit. And then we go over to his trailer. He shows us the video. And it's literally of his elderly dad. A grizzly bear is charging at him. And he just goes, fuck off.

And one hit through the shoulder, the thing runs off and collapses. And we were like, how did you get into this? And he was like, oh, yeah, Paul Schaefer makes these stickbows. He goes and hunts polar bears up in the Arctic with him. I'm 99% sure Paul Schaefer is in the story of the guy who got God up in Canada. Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, and the other guy who was the other pickup guy on horse came by and he was like,

oh, he's talking to you about stickball hunting? And we were like, yeah, he's like, yeah, we all hunt out here, but he's fucking crazy. Just for reference, a 35-pound, like, bow is like a, shooting a bear with nine million. You have to have a very well-play shot to drop that. It's like a summer camp boat. I go to 2 p.m. roll around and you're like, man, I'm super tired. Well, do I have the solution for you? A giant box filled with today's sponsor.

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Slash-U-N-Sub. I go to an event every year called War of the Barons. It's a LARP. I'll be honest about it, but it's very medieval, like, reenactment themed. It's all, it looks very cool. Like, it's the aura farming that occurs. I'm not going to pretend it's not nerdy as hell.

Six. You're on your head. The amount of horror farming that goes on. The amount of aura farming that goes on is truly remarkable. But the point is... We're shooting each other... We're shooting each other with 35-pound drawweight bows. Granted, they have foam tips on the arrows,

but we're shooting each other with them. And this guy killed a bear with that. Yeah. He also said the most Republican thing I've ever heard, which was... Let's invade Iraq. Close. Let's invade Afghanistan.

He manages a bunch of cattle ranches out there, and he was like, yeah, the only thing I hate more than Democrats are wolves, And I was like, why? And he's like, because they kill all of our cattle. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, aren't they on Yellowstone? He's like, yeah, but they migrate. We can't fucking kill him unless we have tags for him.

And then he's like telling me the story about his wife called him when he was out in like one of the lands that he was managing. And she calls him and he's like, hey, how many wolf tags do we have this year? And he was like, I don't know. You ordered him. Why? And she's like, just checking. He comes home. She's got a truck bed full of dead wolves.

Holy shit. Literally 12 of them that she got herself, I think, with a bow. No, that was rifle. That is a hell of a woman right there. I never understood the whole like hating of the wolves thing until he was showing his pictures of what they do to the cattle. And he's like, yeah, they're clearly well fed because they'll kill the calves. They will only eat the internal organs. They won't eat any of the meat and they'll just leave the rest of it to rot.

I don't think a lot of people don't realize even like pigs. You just did a video on pigs. It's the how bad that shit gets and then how much it affects areas. wolves, the whole thing, so think of any fairy tale ever. The bad guy's always a fucking wolf. Because for thousands of years, a legitimate concern was that your wife would leave to go wash the laundry down in the river and get ripped to pieces by fucking wolves. So, us being humans, we killed the fuck out of all of them. And we bred them into things that killed them.

Yeah, little chihuahuas. And so, yeah, now they're like, they basically were non-existent. a bunch of fucking hippies in the 70s, which they play a role in the ecosystem. Every animal does. We're all living on God's green earth. We're just visiting. Shouts out, big men.

Now they're coming back, and people are like, well, these things are terrifying. It's like, yeah, no shit. That's why we almost hunted them to extinction. You ever see one in person? Oh, yeah. Dude, they're fucking huge.

Yeah. Yeah, they had him at that animal sanctuary that apparently was a mall. You went to the mall, too. I have a large Siberian Husky. She's 60 pounds. They're usually like 45 to 50. I've seen a wolf.

Still half the size. She's like half the size of a wolf. Your wolves are fucking big. Brian, what were you guys? Well, no, I was going to say, I used to have this thing about coyotes because, you know, everybody talks about coyote. And I'm like, man, so my biological grandfather had like a half, it was like a mutt. It was like a half, you know, shelter dog, half coyote.

Her name was Bella, like real, little cute dog. And that's what I always associated coyotes. So I always felt bad because I fucking love. dogs. Yeah. And then feeling like, going out and hunting something like that, I'm like, that feels wrong. Yeah, it's too close to a dog. And then you, then you see what they fucking do. They're 50-pound rats.

It's, yeah, now like, that's one of those animals. It's like coyotes and pigs, I can kill and feel nothing. You ever hear a pack of coyotes at night? Oh, yeah. It's fucking safe. I actually heard him. I heard him last night. Yeah. Yeah, that we have a mountain area. We don't. Up in northeastern, yeah, we do. Yeah, if you

get, like, outside of the populated areas, you also, they keep telling us there's no mountain lions. there's mountain lines. People are catching the mountain lines on the truck. I said, you can't call him that. Oh, I know. The worst is when you hit a coyote with your car and then you check on it

and it's just some Navajo dude. Jesus. What? You've got to explain that one. You don't have to explain. Remember, he has 31 days. That's fair. So in Navajo mythology,

skin walkers are human witches who tend to wear coyote pelts. Oh. because it will give them the ability to blend in. It's more as camouflaged than anything else. There is a certain belief that you can take on some of the powers of the coyote by wearing its skin. But no, they'll wear coyote pelts and run around on all fours,

and that's the origin of skinwalkers. Oh, that's not the craziest taking a power story in a native tribe that we have come across. We shared the best one with Eli yesterday. No, I knew that. I was just imagining a fucking native guy on all fours out in the desert with a coyote belt on his back thinking he's blending in. I try not to ask too many questions.

But you're just one arm willy or whatever. There's like the whole Skinwalker trend on TikTok. They're like, oh no, my Amazon driver's a Skinwalker. Dude, it's worse. Like, Skinwalkers are like covens of witches who believe they have, they get powers from eating human flesh. And they will go and climb up on top of your little hut and drop poison dust into your tent. And then either charge you to heal you, because usually the Skinwalker is also the local healer, or they'll kill you with it, take your belongings,

or take your body and then eat you when they go to bury you. They'll dig up the fresh grave and bring you back to their little cave. That was the original. That's the original Skinwalker story. Like, if you go back to the 1930s. So skinwalkers are gypsies.

I'm not sure that gypsies eat people, but aside from that. Show. Do gypsies eat people? Yeah. As a resident European. Dude, I love when Europeans are like, and Americans are so racist.

And then you ask them about gypsies. She was like, fucking pie kids. Going from monsters to like even the serial killer side, a lot of the serial killers are stories. Yeah, from real stories too. Or slasher, I guess slashes. Yeah, slashes. All the guys here are like watch movies, a lot of movies. So which ones are like connections for that?

Because you have like your Jason Borges. Yeah, there's. Leatherface, which we talked about. There's a lot that are based on Gein. Because, and it's partially because he was doing what he was doing in the 50s. It was so beyond the pale of what anybody had considered normal. Like there was nobody who heard Ed Gein's story and was like, yeah, I could imagine somebody was doing that. Albert Fish.

Alfred Hitchcock, you know, does Psycho, which Psycho is not based on Ed Gein, but he did consider what happened with Ed Gein in the writing of it. It was like the idea that this could happen. The theme of, you know, somebody who is so not harmful, somebody who seems so harmless, could do something like this is crazy. and that's what Psycho that movie was. Norman Bates is a totally normal guy. How can he possibly do any of this? So Gein's probably one of the more prolific ones. I'm trying to think there's definitely a few others.

I know Taxi Driver was loosely based off the guy who tried to kill Nixon. Somebody in that area. It was Reagan. No, Reagan. It was before Reagan. Yeah, the guy who tried to kill Reagan watched Taxi Driver. He was inspired because he wanted to fuck Jody Foster when she was a kid.

Yeah. Oh, normal. Yeah. Oh, my favorite is the before and after and the before and after of Heat because heat was inspired by a real guy, Neil McCauley in the movie is based off a real guy named Neil McCauley who did a lot of the same shit in Chicago in the 50s or 60s or whatever.

Robberies or just like high high. Yeah, like Highline crime kind of stuff and robberies and stuff like that. And then Vincent Hanna in the film is based off of Chuck Adamson who was friends with Michael man who wrote the book, sorry, the movie and then the subsequent book. But then, you know, that famous shootout scene in L.A., you know, in that bank robbery scene, a year later, a group of robbers did the exact same thing because they were inspired by the movie. So the movie was inspired by real events and then the movie inspired real events. Which happens, I mean, a lot more than people will admit. We should make a movie about that.

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They were both, you're talking about the bank rob or LA bank rob, where they tape cavalier themselves and shit. I didn't realize the retarded. They were gym buddies. Yeah. They were a bunch of, I mean, muscle heads. basically they were pumping fucking steroids and shit and they're like, we can get some money. And they called them before they even pulled

off one of the robberies with like tons of Kevlar and explosives and guns and shit in their car and let them go. They let them go? They hadn't committed anything yet. It's not a crime. It's not a crime to have a suspicious amount of machine. Crazy shit and let them go and then they came back and did the like a big shootout.

Was this before or after the ban of fully automatics? That was the 80s, right? 86. This is after. Yeah, because the movie came out in 95. Oh, okay, so that was, I wasn't sure if that helped with that entire band, because it was like 86. Brandon, when was the gun band?

1986. 86, yeah, I was right. Also, for the veterans and cops in the room, is it true that they use that shootout scene to train people on, like, tactical reloads and stuff? Yeah, leaping and bounding and stuff like that. Val Kilmer was very proud of that. That's really cool. Yeah. Oh, with actually his, I mean, homie, like, boom.

Yeah, there was, them shouting out, calls to each other. everything. Yeah, there was a thing in the bonus features that Val Kilmer said where it was like somewhere in like the North or South Carolina Special Forces where the guy will say essentially if you can't reload as fast as this guy in this movie, you shouldn't be here. But yeah, the cool thing about the shootout is, I mean, there's a couple cool things. One is they use the actual wild sound on the location, which was rare for films to do because the, according to Michael Mann, the echoes of the sounds, because they were using full load blanks every take. You can hear it bouncing off the buildings. Exactly. And they'd have.

have reports that would last for eight seconds, like for individual shots because it was just reverberating off of different buildings. And they would use like a thousand rounds per take. And Michael was also annoyed by previous films with how inaccurate the bullet hits were. So they took a bunch of cars and actually shot them up on a range and then brought them to the location and had the prop department fill in and paint over all of the cars to make it look seamless. And they'd have the squibs underneath this clay that would pop out so it would reveal real bullet hole damage on these cars and then of course every take they shoot a thousand rounds and they blow all these holes off of these cars they have to refill them every single time oh that's cool as fuck I know about that that's why it looks so neat

okay practical effects baby I love practical effects so much also it's so funny because in the original version of the bonus features there's a bunch of footage of De Niro kilmer and alpuccino all on a shooting range, doing training with live rounds, like over and over again, kind of like John Wick. And in the newer versions of the Blu-ray, that's not in there because they, like, essentially don't want to publicize nowadays that they actually were using real guns and training. Oh, they touched guns? Yeah, yeah. By the way, he has a video on all of this on his channel, silver retention.

Yeah. Yeah, I've been doing a lot of breakdowns of films and stuff. He's just been doing a lot of breakdowns, really. Yeah. Just, you know, I find him sobbing in the night. Yeah. In my basement, for some reason, we don't live together. I can't do mushrooms anymore.

Oh, God. I love. Any more, he says. Got, heat. There was an incident. There were two incidents, actually. Three incidents? That's why it's really concerning.

Is that a price? It did. Oh, my God. What? What did you? I figure you might as well talk a story now. What's your YouTube channel? What's your?

Silver retention. It's a play on words because it's, there's an actual chemical process when developing analog film that's called silver retention that was used for uh david fincher seven what's the other thing uh the other so there's a couple of things yeah yeah well the other thing is just the idea of like you know you watch a silver screen and you're retaining the information from it so i thought this was like a no not november sort of situation no no no i do like that you know what i need you to explain that one silver retention yeah how that applies to no not november is your silver retention is yes that's 31 days, man

31 days. It won't be by the time this goes out. No, by the time this goes out we've probably got like two weeks Exactly. You know,

there's not enough time for it to matter. You'd be surprised Speaking of the sounds that you were talking about, the reverberation, you've helped with some sounds and some stuff, right? Can we talk about that?

I think we can. Yeah, we were doing some of the helping it, not that we were doing it, but we were helping out with the people who were doing these sounds for Call of Duty. Oh, no way. So like the new one, that was really.

Yeah. I stopped doing that. Yeah. Very Wayne's world. This is the other day too. This is a pro and con of starting a business with your best friend that you've known since high school where you spent a lot of time hanging out. And then all of a sudden you now hang out and you run a business together. And when you also share the same name, there's a lot of things that just start to kind of know together.

I see him almost as much as much as bad. Oh, that was from the beginning. Yeah. You fuck almost as much too. Yeah. It's harder now with the business towers getting away. You know, with the same joke. Confession.

Once we hired employees, it became really, you know, incapable of doing the office. I became Catholic, and now I got to tell my priest everything I do. That's awkward. Anglican Catholic. Surprisingly, him getting married wasn't a speed bump like you would imagine. Yeah. No, what was the woman running the church in Canterbury? Just kidding.

We're not in communion with them. What happened? Oh, my church is not in communion with Canterbury or Rome, even though we're Anglican Catholics. What's the delineation there? Because I was asking this the other night because I wasn't sure. Connor's like our resident. Catholic. So I was wondering, like, is there a difference between, like, Catholic and Roman Catholic? And it sounds like a stupid question. So we would say yes. He would probably say that if you're not Roman

Catholic, you're not Catholic. Whereas we would say that if you're part of an apostolic church, you're Catholic. Which, okay, so like an Anglican church, what's the, or Anglican Catholic? Yeah. Well, we broke off of the Anglican church, well, the Episcopalian Church technically back in the 1970s because they were like, hey, what if we ordained women? And we were like, hey, what if we didn't. And I think it is, I can't explain it. Anybody who asked me, I'll receive questions from people. They're like, well, you know, how, why shouldn't women be priests? Why can't women be priests? And I'm like, well, I don't know. One answer is that Jesus picked 12 men to be his apostles and gave them the power to bind and loose and everything. The other one is that every time

churches start ordaining women, everything goes to shit. You want to elaborate on that? Just like it becomes a completely liberal version of Christianity where everything is permitted and pride flags in the pulpit. You know, that's speaking on Tallero. Yeah. Exactly. It's where you get James Talarico Christianity where they're sitting there and you've got some woman calling yourself a reverend who doesn't believe in the resurrection. And you're like, okay, you're not Christian anymore. I don't know what you are, but it's not Christian. They're spiritual.

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But I can look at it and tell you women shouldn't be priests Based on the results of making women priests That's also just a wild thing to be able to say That you are a priest that rejects the divination of Christ Yeah That's a thing? Pastors priest How is that even possible?

Connor, you look like you're or holding other. No, the Archbishop, I'm like, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of Canterbury

did a thing with a Muslim imam where she was like holding hands with him over some sort of document of love between the churches. We're sitting here like, this is not the Anglicanism I remember and kind of fighting it. But at the same time,

we're like, hey, we're Protestants, but we're really Catholic. And the Catholics are like, how dare you? Yeah, no, they're not. Absolutely or not. We have all the same sacraments

and apostolic succession and the same councils and everything. The entire church was created so that Henry could divorce his wives. That's not true. The Anglican church didn't start until the 1560s. I just learned.

There was a return to Catholicism under Mary the First and then she burned a bunch of us at the stake. And then her sister was like, you know what? Protestantism's kind of cool. This has the same energy. Her sister was a witch.

I didn't realize the Vikings when they were told about Christianity it was like yo that's the god that beats all other God and that's metal as hell Oh shit That doesn't stop any of the fucking Pagans with the shi tattoos though They were like oh yeah no no we were actually

They were really cool Yeah the greatest Norse pagan tradition In all of history is converting to Christianity So I didn't realize that's how they told them to get them on board and then the Vikings were like, that is pretty metal. Yeah.

Like our god is super god. Yeah. Literally how it's told to them. Oh, yeah, I have a god of when it rains on Tuesday mornings. It's like, oh yeah,

our god is god of all of that shit. Yeah, well, my God defeated death. They're literally part of it. And they're like, oh, you, shit. The first Norse pagans to convert

didn't really quite get it. This is the same with the Franks and most of the first generation pagan converts is they don't quite get it. They're like, got it. So my gods are real and that dude's just king, right? And the Catholic church was like, good enough. It's close enough. We can work on your kids. And then their kids were like, okay, so my parents had these beliefs in these beings that used to be powerful, but now they're

not anymore and Christ is God. And then those people's kids would be like Christ is Lord. So it usually took about three generations for the conversion process to complete itself. What was the other, the Viking thing? The whole, like, oh, well, if I would have been there at the crucifixion, I would have saved him. Oh, yeah. Well, that's not quite the point. There's a bunch of Franks and Vikings, really all the Germanic people who were like, yeah, me and my boys were there. Like, you know, my posse would have cut him down from that cross.

We wouldn't have let that happen. It's kind of like Mark Wahlberg. It's kind of doomed for damnation at that point. Yeah. Like, it's, uh, yeah. I built a time machine and saved Jesus. No. That was the point.

That was that Terminator skin, I think I've told you about. Mad TV, it's Terminator Goose of Act to save Jesus and he's annoying Jesus because he keeps saving him. He's like, no, you can't do this, dude. I have to die. If Roman shoulders come up and Terminator's like, boom, it blacks all of them.

And then it is Terminator at the crucifixion of Christ and then he looks over to marry whoever. He's like, don't worry, it'll be back. And it's like, okay, that was a good joke. That's a good joke. That's an old one. You've never seen that. That's why you brought up, though,

the Mark Wahlberg 9-11. Oh yeah. Good Lord. What a statement, dude. No one to keep your mouth shut. Do you not know about that? I don't know this one. Oh, God. Oh, yeah, he said something along the lines.

Like, Mark Wahlberg implied that if he was there on one of those planes during 9-11, that he would have prevented it because, quote, there would have been blood all over first class, which, like, I... Probably his. Well, I mean, just like the idea that, like... Just a wild thing to fucking say. The refrigerator's mating call. Was this back when he was still Marky Mark? Because that tracks.

No, I think it was like Transformers era. What? You don't know that he blinded a Vietnamese man? No. Wow. The lead pipe. Yeah. Marky Mark and the funky bunch.

I knew he got to a pretty bad fight. He went to jail. I didn't know he blinded a Vietnamese guy. Well, that's why he's a felon. It's why he can't be on like the set of lone survivor with a real gun. What? He hate crime the Vietnamese guy in Boston in the 80s. You didn't have it.

Yeah, he blinded him like. Yeah, he like cracked him across the one of his like orbital bones with a pipe, I'm pretty sure. You know, with them, it's, they're already pretty close. He said it, not me. I have a Vietnamese friend. Oh, in that case, every day. That makes that totally much. They love it when you say that.

Mikey's going to love that joke. Dude, that, yeah, he blinded somebody, but he actually said. Yeah, he basically implied that he would have prevented 9-11. if he was on that plane. While flexing about being in first class randomly. Oh my God, that sounds like such a boomer tweet. It was like 03. I do have questions.

You guys have probably flown more than me. Is there an airline where first class is worth it? Yes. Yeah, Delta. Delta? Okay. Because we flew American here and we did not fly first class, but we walked past it. And it's slightly bigger seats for twice the money.

Free drinks private bathroom. You got to learn how to flirt with the gay guy who's the, oh, I can do that. Like I said, I got a dick pig. That was so quick. I got a dick pig from the Tiger King's third husband. And I wasn't even trying. What?

So, what? I said this 30, 40 minutes ago. I must have been in the bathroom. He's still stuck on the Tigers and cages in the mall. The Tiger King's husband, third husband, sent me a dick pick once. I did not ask. Good for you. This was also before we started online stuff.

I need to be clear. This is before Tiger King was on. Oh. Oh, I didn't know that. This was before we were doing what we do and before Tiger King aired. Am I the only one that not watched Tiger King? So why are you friending gay guys on Snapchat? Well, so it was...

So it's Marsh of 2020, right? I'm a senior in college. I'm home. I've got nothing to do. I'm on Instagram. Not helping. Yeah, we both... Chase the post. We both made the same face.

I realize this sounds bad. There's a post from the account memes are. We've all seen memes are on Instagram, correct? Hopefully the audience has, and they know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know, yeah. Anyway, it's a post is like... And you can probably go find this post. It probably still exists where they're like, hey, you know, let's all post our Snapchat

usernames and, you know, make big Snapchat groups and like, you know, did Kik teach you nothing? No. Kik took, uh, taught me all the wrong lessons. Exactly. I'm so confused with you. Yeah, dicks, exactly. So anyway, I, and my username's the same everywhere.

It's the Aiden Madison's. Everything is that. It has been since I was 15. He branded early. Yeah, branded early. So the Snapchat. thing happened when you were 15? No, no, I was 22. So

I post mine and it's the same as my Instagram. You posted your dick? No. My Snapchat handle. This story's even I'm thinking hot women are going to add me on Snapchat and that's going to be great. Famously. When you're 20

when you're 22 years old they're going to send you nudes, bro. Holy shit, hot singles in my area? I was thinking, you know, it's up Dude, Milf's won't right now? Listen, I'm gonna get out again.

I'll be back. After I quit working at the plasma bank, I didn't have a steady supply of women coming in. Aiden's like, I hate this so much. Anyway, I post my... Your wife's going to love this episode.

I post my... She knows the story. I post my username and I get a whole bunch of ads. Some of which are from hot women. Most or not. Apparently, I have sort of a twink appearance and my profile is public,

so that... I guess they looked and they were like, I like what you got. I thought I was twink and you were twunk. Now we are, yeah. But at the time, I was much more of a twink. Yeah, that's fair. So he adds me, and we're chatting back for them. I'm like, yeah, it's just a guy trying to be bros.

You know, maybe he wants to play war zone. I don't know. I was big at the time. And so we're just kind of talking. I'm sure he probably was flirting, but because I'm a man who doesn't get hit on by men and I've lived with gay guys who never hit on me, I didn't know what that looks like. That's got to feel like really bad. Yeah.

I just like In hindsight Yeah Living in a house Or the gay guy who doesn't want to fuck you Like that's bad It was pretty great honestly We had a great time

We were great friends It's like a girl living with a bunch of guys And everybody's just like Yeah Listen so in college In order I lived with a gay guy Or sorry a bisexual guy Then a gay guy

Then someone from Maryland You're not helping So a gay guy And then a Turk Their version of this story is I lived with the gay guy Like that's like no The one from Maryland

Was my favorite even though he does have a crab tattooed on his shoulder This has gone so off the fucking rails The gay guy was actually probably my second favorite The bisexual Would have been my third favorite Because he's less gay No no no the first guy The first guy was reading them in levels of gay

Maryland homosexual Bisexual The best part of this is that last time I was here, I asked you guys for a video saying hi to that friend from Maryland, and you call them names. Yeah, that's right. But they start with an F. I'm a big fan of that word.

They were relevant names, so I can't wait for this to come out, and I can show it to him. But, no, he's actually, he ran for Maryland Assembly, and he unfortunately lost to the guy propped up by Luigi Mani Gione's uncle. Interesting. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's a whole backstory there. Yeah.

So Alex Harlan, Maryland, you should have voted. voted for him. He was, he's great. He's beautiful. Anyway, yeah, no, it definitely went Maryland, gay guy, bisexual guy, Turkish guy. Um, why did this guy send you his penis? That's a great question. That's where, that's why you started telling you a story. That's a good point. I kind of do that. Um, I'll start telling a story and that I don't really know where I'm going with it. I'm reading my show notes. I'm like, nowhere are we on gay penis question. Yeah. Dick Pigs from Tiger King. So he asked me, he's like, so you ever like, you know, really, You ever been interested in, you know, maybe, like, you know, try and swing for the other team.

Exactly, you know. And I was like, to be honest, no. I would have left that on red. But like, crazy story. You know, thanks for the offer. You want to play war zone? So that was kind of the end of the conversation for a while. For a while.

Until, oh, new picture. No, he literally goes, well, after I said, I think, you know, no thanks. Oh, that's, thanks for the offer. But that's cool. he's like, would this change your mind? And to be honest, no. It didn't change my mind, but

I gotta say, that was probably above average. I think you're a gay man. I would have responded with frowny face in red, and it never flying it through. And it just been like, hmm. I think I literally read. And I would be like, and I'm deleting my

that chat now, I'm good. I'm pretty sure I actually did respond, like in my mind, but not over text. Obviously, with the nice cock, like, TikTok sound. You're not helping. How many times do you have to say you're not healthy? I'm good with this. I don't need that.

So you guys, and like, you share in the same room in San Antonio? Or like, what's going on here? Same bed, what are you talking about? So I send him a, but here's the thing, I'm sitting there on my, on my little beanbag chair in my basement at my parents' place, because it's 2020 and I'm

22. You've been like, okay, this hole is six foot deep. Oh, I'll keep digging. I'll keep digging. How deep is this?

So I'm sitting there and it's about a month later. So the stone wall was about that high. It's about a month later. I'm watching Tiger King and I'm on like the seventh episode of Tiger King. You're like,

I recognize that cop? No, I'm looking up the screen. And I see this guy on a, on an inner tube, floating down a river. And I'm looking at my phone going through my Snapchat stories.

And you guys are going to me for this, I did not unad him after he sent me the dick pick. No, you went back to it to check. Well, no, so I'm just going through my stories. I'm going through my stories and I see, sorry, no, in the show he's not in the inner tube. In the show he's on the screen, on my phone, he's on an inner tube. And I'm like, looking up at the screen and I'm looking up at the screen, looking up at the screen, looking at my phone. I take a picture of my screen, I send it to him.

And I'm like, yo, is that you? And he's like, yeah, L-O-L. Will you text him back? Oh, you're flirting with this K-Gaw? gay guy. So here's a you're literally funny.

So I can see why you would think that. I would see why you would think that. I know. Yeah. I was just very curious.

I'm sitting here. I'm sitting here. I'm like, this is a gay man who has a thing for me and I want information about Tiger King. Oh. So I'm going to play the game.

I'm going to play the game. I'm going to let him for the chance. You know that you. Well, I get information about the tiger. This is why I'm successful at my job.

Do you remember this podcast is about gaming? This is why I'm successful at my job is I will do whatever it takes to get the scoop. And so I'm sitting there and I'm asking questions. I'm letting him flirt a little bit. Anyway, long story short,

we had a lawsuit. Long story short, we had a lawsuit. Long story short, I ended up in a position What position? Where I end up in a position where I am offered a steak dinner next time I'm in Florida, which is the second weird steak dinner I've been offered. Richard Spencer also offered me one. Oh.

Yeah. I interviewed Richard Spencer when I was a freshman in college writing for Libertarian Republic, and he offered me a steak dinner if I was ever in Dallas, which honestly were not that far from Dallas, so maybe I should hit him up. What other guys are trying to fuck you? He's just trying to buy me a steak dinner He's not trying to fuck me That's what I tell the girls said

Oh god So anyway Oh you're in town Let's grab drinks On the Appalachian Trail You have question mark All right well I guess This is a matter of fact

I am awake Dylimpa's if you're saying this This is the most off the rails this podcast has gone in a long time. This is great. No, I'm, I'm crying, dude. That's somewhere I'm happy to be,

because I also hold the record for longest episode of pop culture crisis. I was a guest there. We were on five hours. Good Lord. He invited me in this guys only club. They were playing a lot of electronic music and nobody was wearing their shirts.

There was a lot of foam. It was a guy's only bar for cool guys only. Leather is expensive. If somebody hands you leather, you take it. Oh, fuck me. No, that was the whole problem. I was trying to avoid that.

I succeeded. He's still on my Snapchat. I could message him right now. Good God. I say do it. I'm on his close friends list on Instagram. I have his only fans promos. It's terrible.

He's been like, Ben a minute. What's you up to? Call him right now. Oh, dude, send him a you up text right now. Yeah, it'd be like, you up. The question mark, Bess it. Was just talking about you. Yeah, just like that.

Yeah. I'm just thinking of whatever. I would text the girls. I'm trying to fuck. Was just talking about you. Ha ha. Put a heart. Put a heart.

No. You're not putting a heart. Do a wink. Kissy face. Do a wink. But you gotta do the like, the wink makes it super. Yeah.

The not too sexual wink. There's two wink emojis and one of them. No, no. I'm not kidding. This is the only thing I have said from this conversation is me posting something about like where I had to drive to.

It was Shippensburg, Pennsylvania. in July of 2020, I say, where the hell am I being paid to go as I'm driving through like farmland? And he responds, my bed. That's the only thing I have saved here. How deep is this hold? I replied to bra. You would never have to get waterboarded. You're texting this gay guy. See, here's the thing. If I never run for office, what can they say about me that I haven't already said. What you said. Exactly.

That's typically how it works. Tell me how the Democrats spin everything I just said. I just want to see how you actually. I want to see how you actually. I'm telling you from experience. It's not hard. Yeah, by the way, I just want to keep saying

you to the staffer. The staffer that's being paid to watch this, I, yeah. It's like having your own FBI agent. It really is, except they're getting paid way worse. Oh, my God. Well, I was going to ask,

we'll put it back on the tracks and what is one of the craziest stories you've had for like the actual trial yeah I was more pertaining to like me you want me to one up Tiger King's husband's cock

I was gonna say the 4-1-1s that actually became somewhat true guiding it away from that let's steer back from you not knowing you're gay we have the best job on the planet did the one I keep coming back to on that is Jordan Grider

Jordan Grider is probably the most inexplicable story I've ever come across. Dude disappears while he's trying to. I mean, he was going to die no matter what happened here, but he decided he was going to try and spend the winter in northern Minnesota with nothing but a tarp, some like barley, some rice, some beans, a sleeping bag and a hammock. What made him kick? So this is kind of like the one who wrote the book where they went to Alaska?

Into the wild. Into the wild. Yeah. We've been to the replica of his bus. Dude, that story annoyed me so much when I watched that movie for the first time. That was where that kid went out and was eating plants and shit. Yeah, and he got it wrong. Like, the only reason he died is because he got it wrong because he took no one's advice.

Like, the whole story is essentially him going through a series of, like, male role models that are all telling him, hey, you're going to Alaska by yourself is not a good idea. You're like 18. Like, you don't know what you're doing. And he's like, ah, it's adventure, it's life. And like the whole story is supposed to be this idea of like exploration and, you know, the last frontier and, you know, enjoying just being alive. But in the end, like, literally he has a book of berries he shouldn't eat and he, like, misidentified it. And he, like, turns three pages and realizes that he ate something that will literally kill him slowly. It's weird reading the diaries because you're like, this dude knew he was dying.

Yeah. So right and shit. Well, and the worst thing is, too, is the berries that he ate were fat soluble, like the essential poison element in it. So as he started trying to make things work while eating them, he was starting to get ill, but then because he was losing weight from not eating, he progressively got worse and worse. And like, if he had been capable of, you know, like, properly, like, curing meat or, like, procuring any other food, he probably would have lived. Because he did kill, like, an elk or something big, and then he just didn't know how to store the meat. Exactly. He tried to smoke it and failed. And it's like, if he had been...

done any preparation whatsoever before he went out there, he probably would still be a lot. Yeah, fucking... Yeah, just you know, we'll make it work. Especially Alaska of all areas. Famously. Very easy to survive in. Yeah. Fucking wild to do that one and be like, this is my first trip. I'm going to fucking figure this

shit. I will say, the one thing that really surprised me when we went to Alaska for the first time was the mosquitoes. Holy shit. I didn't expect you did it. I was like, oh, we're in Alaska. Why would there be mosquitoes? Two things. One, they're huge as fuck. And two, you know how when you're sitting by a campfire mosquitoes, usually stay away. Yeah, opposite in Alaska. No shit. They swarm the fire. Well, to be fair, in that area, that's the only place the people are. That's the thing is it's the people and it's,

you know, like animals have heat. So to them, that's food. So we were at the brewery. It's like 49th state brewing or whatever that has the replica of the bus of what it's his name. I can't remember his name, Chris McAnlis. And they have these fire pits outside. No one's sitting by them. I'm like, it's kind of weird. It seems kind of chill. And then I look at what the smoke is and it's not smoke. It's just giant mosquitoes swarming above the fire. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Horrible. Because normally the smoke keeps them away. Yeah. Like that's why, like,

I don't know. Campfire, citronella candles, whole nine yards. Like, that's their whole thing. Fucking South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama. We just light a fire to keep them away. That's wild, dude. Yeah, no, Alaska mosquitoes, totally different breed. It just dry. Oh, my God. I think, did you have to read it in

high school? I did, yeah. Okay. But like every, every SF guy that I know, like growing up, like, they all retired to Alaska. Like, all those guys are just like, drawn to that place. Oh, when you go there, it's like, oh, I see why people live here

because it's fucking gorgeous. When I was growing up, my buddy and I, we watched this old VHS. The guy's name was Dick Perennike, I think his name was. And he had retired from some job. I don't know what it was, but he was in his, like, 70s.

And he went up in Alaska and found this, I think it's Twin Lakes, completely like hundreds of miles from where anybody is. He had to be flown in on a, like, pontoon. plane or whatever they're called. And he was just by himself for like over a decade. And he built like a cabin and a food store. And he brought a camera and he would have, uh, once a month,

a plane would give him some supplies. But he just recorded his life. He documented the whole thing. Yeah, exactly. Because there's a series of little documentaries of just his personal like 16 millimeter recordings of him just year after year living in this completely isolated area of Alaska alone. He built a log cabin. Right. Yeah. it's still there. Yeah, that dude, if you've not watched that, this dude just went out there to live and then documented his entire life and it is building a big ass cab, like, log cabin. Kaman, he's in his 70s and he's doing all of this shit and he's just like, and I don't know if he narrated it or somebody else narrates it, but they read his diaries over all of the

footage of him doing all this stuff. And he'll like just build this cabin by himself. He'll go out like hunting and like, you know, like trekking a sled of a moose back in, like three feet of snow at like 70-something years old just by himself. He was like Les Stroud before Les Stroud was born. Really cool. I've watched some of those. It's amazing because that dude, again, at that age, and you're like, holy shit, homie just did this 40 years before the internet.

It's literally, it feels like a YouTube channel. It's just in the 70s, 80s whenever he did it. Yeah. The outdoor, what was the outdoor voice? Outdoor boys. He's great. And I think he was interviewed and they asked him like, so why did you do this? And he was just like, I got bored.

Like I just wanted to go be alone for a while. Dude, if I wasn't into my wife, you're gonna hit with both sides. That was a very unfortunate pause for you. Your reaction and just like, you weren't into guys from Oklahoma. All right. How'd you know he's from Oklahoma?

That's where Tiger King takes place. Oh, okay, that's right. I thought it was Florida. I thought it was Florida, too. You know, you're right, it's Oklahoma. Yeah, that bitch Carol Baskin. You're pretty close to Oklahoma, too. You can just drive up there.

Also, I just realized that, like, if you had normal length legs, you'd be a very tall man. Yeah, we've been over this many times. I just never really clicked for it before. Yeah, divert, divert harder. Be large. Yeah, I mean, I'm like, some specimen.

This is something we've discovered. I was sitting next to two of our buddies who were six, five, and six, six, and sitting next to them, Like, I'm right in between them. But for whatever reason, I just have corgi legs. Because in actuality, I'm 5, 6. But for whatever reason, torso-wise, I have the torso of somebody who's, like, 6'5.

But like the meme of the cholo. Literally. Yeah. It's impressive. It's what getting the dumpy. Sitting down, we are the same height. Yeah, right? Oh, yeah.

He's got a height on you. Not me. I'm three inches taller than this man. Yeah. Wow. It's weird. Do you have shore arms, too? I don't know.

It looks like you have never checked. I got a big head and little arms. Oh my God. Yeah, so short arms and short legs. Watch out there's normal size. That's fucking... So I guess I would be a pretty good candidate for that Russian leg extension surgery, but that feels really dumb.

Super down. Really? Don't knock it until you try it. I was going to say gay, but I didn't want to... Yeah, I know I heard. Bring a... You want to insult me? Yeah.

I see how this. Okay, going back to the not Alaska. But Minnesota? No. Which one? No, because you can give it enough in high school. I have five uses of the big pass, courtesy of

Stephen's wife. The big pass. The big pass. You know the pass. But yeah, Jordan Grider, as I was saying, decided to go up into the woods in the boundary waters of Minnesota in 2018 and set up camp in a really stupid way.

And he vanishes a couple of days later. He stops communicating with his family. They go out, they send the rangers out to look for him, they can't find him because he's off the trail in a remote part of the camp. He then decides, they then decide to wait until the snow melts. They still can't find him. Eventually they do manage to just stumble across his campsite. And inside, they discover not Jordan Ryder, but arterial spray on the inside of the tent. They also find that his sleeping bag and hammock are soaked in blood, but there's no body in the

hammock. There's also no signs of predation. There's no claw marks. There's no teeth marks. Bigfoot. A pack. Oh, you'd kind of think. So by the end of the story, you're kind of like, a big foot, I guess. Because there's no claw marks, no signs of predation. All of

the conservationists, the ecologists, all of the people they bring in from the like the naturalist side of things are like, this doesn't look like a bear attack, this doesn't look like a wolf attack, this doesn't look like a mountain lion attack, like it's too clean. You know, the sleeping bag should be ripped shreds if he was in the sleeping bag.

The hammock should be ripped up. The tarp maybe should have rips in it. They should have gone for the other food in the tent. Like, this doesn't make any sense. And the one guy even says, like, it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a wolf, it wasn't a Wendigo. And you're like, now why would you say that? The Humbugian.

Now, why would you say it wasn't a Wendigo? Also, why are you the fucking expert on Wendigos? I'm the expert on Wendigows. Clearly, this wasn't that. So you have experience with Wendigo cases. So are you telling me that this has come up before? Like, that people have been suggesting this was a Wendigo before. I'm going to bet it has.

How many times are there suspected Wendigo killings going on in Minnesota? But the more I looked at it, the more I was like, there is literally nothing else that makes sense. Other than that, this was a human. Yeah, which Wendigolds are human. Yeah, that's another one of those things where it's like... You want to give the definition? Yeah, so a Wendigo is somebody who has consumed human flesh either out of desperation, like, killed a human and consumed their flesh either out of desperation. or greed.

Or just the regular human. Historically, yes. So like Donner Party was full of Wendigoz? Technically, yeah. Well, one primary one. But there is one guy in that group who it does seem like he got Wendigo psychosis, which is an actual diagnosable disorder. Well, isn't there like an enzyme in your brain?

Preon. There is also preon disease. He did not have it. This guy from the Donner Party, his whole thing was he had started eating people. And the reason people have suggested he might have had Wendigo psychosis is because when they found,

him, he was sitting next to to an uncovered frozen ox that was edible. And he was instead eating human brains. So you're saying when to go psychosis like it's a real observable medical disease. It is. Oh, Wendigo Psychosis is actually

no shit. I've never heard of that. It's a type of cultural psychosis. It's when you have a belief that's so embedded in your culture that you, it's like the placebo effect kind of. Like you're so aggressive if I'm wrong, but you're like, you believe in your heart of hearts

that if you consume human flesh you become a Wendigo, so these people, because it's so imbued in them culturally, if you consume human flesh, you become a Wendigo. So it's like cannibalistic sugar pills. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy basically. And there's instances where like there was this guy,

Jack, it'll come to me eventually. He was a Native American man who was a member of, I think, the Chippewa. And I think like 1906. the Canadian government gets word that this guy has been killing people.

And so they go up and they encounter him and they're like, have you been killing people? And he's like, yes, I have. And they're like, well, you got to come with us. And he's like, why? And they're like, because you live under Canadian law. And his whole tribe goes, what? Because nobody had ever told them. They lived under Canadian law now. So they're still operating under their old tribal legal system

in which if somebody is concerned they're going to become a Wendigo and their family goes to the local a Wendigo killer and says, hey, my husband, my father, whatever, he's going to become a Wendigo, I need you to do something about it. They would go and they would euthanize the person. And so the thing is, this is usually only in circumstances where somebody is already deeply psychotic or very ill or, you know, they've committed an act of cannibalism or something. Like, there are a bunch of different reasons why you might contact your local Wendigo killer, but it was literally kind of like a vampire slayer. Like, you know, there was the idea that

there was this thing that was going to happen. and if you didn't kill the person, they would turn into something. So you'd have older men who are going senile, who are convinced they're becoming a Wendigo, who will call the local Wendigo killer who will come and euthanize them. So Canada's been practicing made for a very long time. She's going to say, is the Canadian medical system currently cultural appropriation? Ironically, the Canadian government ended up killing this man. Well, not really.

They sent him to death. And then during his appeal, he ended up dying in prison. But they end up basically killing the guy because you can't just kill people because you know, they're dying and they want to be out of their misery. And now Canada's like, we're going to kill infants because they're in pain. So, you know, it's everything goes around, comes around. But yeah, so if you look at it, it's like with Jordan Grider's situation, there's nothing that makes sense other than a human doing this.

But there's also no explanation for why a human would do this. And hungry. Yeah, like humans do crazy shit. There was nothing to steal from him. He had his keys to his car, too. Wasn't there like a theory that he got into like a bar? fight before he went out there. There was a theory that he got into a bar fight.

The most popular theory was that he was... Was there actually like evidence behind that? Not really. It was basically that he might have pissed somebody off in the nearest town, which is half an hour away. There was one theory that he was shaving with a pocket knife, which is something he was apparently known to do. And then got raptured?

And that he accidentally... No, here's my favorite thing. Oh! Oh my God. This is a guy. Mixed it. Oh. I can't even think about it.

This is like the leading theory. This is the leading theory is that he's shaving with his pocket knife accidentally slices his carotid and then takes the time to take his pocket knife over the local pond, clean it off, put it back in its sheath, then walk back over somewhere else and bleed out in the snow. That's what I do when I'm bleeding. I'm like, shit.

Nick myself. All of his knives were found clean and in their sheets. I'm making it best. Yuck, more. All of his knives are found clean and in their sheeds. And somebody's like, maybe he cut himself shaving. With what? found his body, though?

Well, they found what was left of it, all three pieces. What was that fucking arm? Him walking. I'm bleeding in him. Yeah, I'm going to be like, shit. You did the YNCA. They never found his body. Eli's out here walking on sunshine.

I don't think you're bleeding. You're bleeding that. We're like, I'm going to go somewhere. When I'm bleeding out from my neck, I raise my hands in here. I do. Let's kill us. Tennis. Two, man.

They, okay, so. How far from his tent was he found, though? Or body parts? Anywhere within 20 to 40 feet. His body parts are found within 20 to 40 feet of the tent, but not in the same place. His body parts? Yeah. Okay, well, that changes.

Was he dismembered? Yeah. I didn't know. That makes it a lot harder. It's like an animal attack, but then you see the clean spray and you're like, not an animal attack. I can see why that would maybe cause of issues. Now, animal scavenging of the body once he was dead.

Yeah. That's most likely. That's probably, the question is, how the fuck did he die? because it's again it's not an animal attack it doesn't seem self-inflicted and there's no reason for anybody to kill him he wasn't he didn't have any wealth he didn't have anything with him he had a gun

but the gun was left behind camping alone too he didn't tell anybody where he went most likely too if he had a gun he's not going to get himself with a knife yeah just nothing about it makes sense aside from being another person you ask yourself why would another person do this the only reason you can really come up with is just

wanton malice, you know, in which case you're kind of looking at a Wendigo in a sense, but not necessarily the first thing most people will jump to is, uh, well, because the other thing is like, what serial killers is just going to be out in the middle of the woods being like, I can't wait to find my next victim in the middle of nowhere? One who wants to get away with it? Yeah. We have a, we have a viewer who lives in this area and he was like, yeah, there's fucking nothing there.

Yeah. How far away is, far removed is this from like a city or how far do you have to march? 30 miles. Jesus. Okay. And again, when we're a rain. When we say city, we're talking about a town of 6,000 people. Because I still go towards a human.

It's just the likelihood of stumbling upon random dude out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, unless they tracked him. Yeah, and what are the chances? Not only that there's a random person out there who happens to run into this guy, but also this person is the one in a thousand people who's a serial killer. So far, I'm going to, my, my theory right now is careful bear. Mine is careful mountain lion. A very delicate mountain lion with my theory.

That's like there's no, there's no tail. errors in anything. So missing Enigma, who you guys should definitely have on the show at some point, he's great. His name's Nick. He did a video on it first, and then I waited like six months and did one on it too. Both of them did phenomenally well, which is awesome. It's great when you get to do the same story as another channel you really respect and both of you get to profit off of it. That's awesome. Yeah, we've collaborated him on a couple of things. On a couple of things. He's really good. He's great on the Dennis Martin stuff too. He knows a lot of that. Does a lot of good drawings and animations. That being said, one Nick on this podcast is probably too much.

Well, as long as he's not currently here. Oh, that's true. We got two adens. Yeah. So two adens is enough. Yeah. Two aides is twice. We get you a third if you want.

There's more. I guarantee you could on your Snapchat. Probably do have an Aiden on my Snapchat. All right. It's never going away. No, it's not. You know, it's, I'm very popular amongst the gays. I've known this a long time.

I got a lot of really thirsty DMs when I first popped off on TikTok. You keep opening the door. This is why I'm saying, like, I'm saying, like, this, he would never have to be waterboarded. And they all were attractive, but I... Sure they were. It was mostly men. Why'd you go into the tone accent there for a second? I didn't realize they did.

You did? We just kind of like imply something and you just like fucking slam open that door and run through it. You know what I'm good at that? Just the Kool-Aid man? Oh, yeah. I'm gay. Good God. You know, I thought that now that I was married, maybe I could do.

make some jokes, but apparently not. You're just gonna live with it. Doesn't help that I forgot to wear my ring. Well, you forgot? I was fix. I realized this is gonna sound even more gay. I was fixing my hair. And I took off my ring to do it.

And I forgot to put it back on. Honey, I forgot. I swear. I was going out to hang out with all these dudes. Do you want to borrow mine? Tomorrow night. What? So do you want to borrow mine?

Will it fit? I don't know. Let's try it. I'm a little worried. Once you put it on, it's not going to come off. Is it gay for me to take your ring and put it on? Now you're my wife happy. Now you're married.

I think your fingers might be smaller than mine. I think you're right. Where do the people on the internet find you both? Grindr. That's just here. The Pulse Night Club in Orlando. At this point.

Stonewall. Stonewall in. No, we are, you can find us mainly on the lore lodge here on YouTube or Pepperbox or wherever you're at. at watching this. We have like 16 channels. Just look up our name. That's the big one. Also, history

unhinged, which is basically we took this format and went, what if we did that with history specifically? So that's what that is. And the lore lads, which is our show that we do together. It's a discussion format. Sometimes we have guests. Am I forgetting anything? I do silver retention where I talk about movies.

What's your Snapchat? The Aiden Mattis. Hell yeah. You know what to do. See, I'm terrified. You're going to get so many that are big going to be people being like, how does it compare to his? Next time we're down here, I'm going to rate all of them. With your username attached. You're going to get more now.

Just a warning, just a warning. It's going to happen. What does first prize get? Arrested. Signed picture of my face. I don't want to know what you do with it. Tribute. I was going to say something else about one of the first.

of a weird Bible. Yeah, we have a Christianity show. Weird Bible? Yep, the Weird Bible podcast. Isaiah,

Wendegoon used to be on it. Then he got busy. Well, we also barely did a show anymore. It was like he's got a couple things going on. Yeah, almost like he's got a few things,

a few irons in the fire. Well, to give some context about what the purpose of the show is, is that we generally will talk about stories from the Bible that people don't really consider in depth. Like, for example,

the story of Samson. Yeah, the whole idea is the stories you ordered in Sunday school that you didn't really think about at the time, but now you look back on them and you're like, what the fuck was that? For example. That is my favorite line from like, well, one of my favorite lines from like a biblical story

is the Samson story where like you just realize like, oh, the writer of this is very cheeky. Yeah. Where it's just like the with the jawbone of an ass, I've killed 10,000 men with a jawbone of an ass. I've made asses of them. Yeah. I see what you did. Well, also, are you guys familiar with the giant wheel of burning foxes?

What? Yeah. At one point, Samson ties a whole bunch of foxes together by the tails and just like lights them on fire and rolls and through a farmer's fields. And the best part is that the next day the farmer comes out and he goes,

who hath done this? That is in the Bible. It's like, in the King James. He comes out of his head. He's like, what the fuck? Same reaction.

That's exactly the one else. They're like, all these stories actually have like surprising amounts of humor. Like, pity for the gourd. Pity, oh yeah,

Jonah's sitting there after he like goes to Ninevehah and preaches. And he's like, sitting up on the hill waiting for God to smite Nineveh for its wickedness and God isn't smiting it and God's like, well, if you're going to be here a while, I'll grow this plant next to you and he grows up a gourd and Jonah's sitting under it and then God's like, all right, dude, you've been here a while. You've been here a while and he makes the gourd wither to basically be like, hey, it's time to move on.

And Jonah gets upset and God's like, why are you angry over the plant? He's literally because Jonah is sitting here. For you to have pity for the gourd. Well, like, in the text, Jonah has not wanted to go to this town because he's worried. He's going to, like, get killed because they're all horrible people. And God's like, just do it, dude. And he goes, and he's like, hey, God told me you guys should repent and you'll be saved. And the entire city is like, we thought he gave up on us.

That's crazy. And so they all, like, start becoming, like, better people. And Jonah goes up on the hill and he's like, just smite him. Come on. I'm here. I want to see it. God's like, they're, they're. Making him changes.

Like, why would you want me to do that? This was the whole point. And Jonah's like, angsty as shit. He's just like, no, I want to see it burn. And God's like, yeah, okay, dude, that wasn't the point. And with the gourd thing, he's like, does thou have pity for the gourd in the sense of he's upset that the plant died? Doest thye well to have pity for the gourd. But he's upset that the plant died because he doesn't get shade.

But he's sitting there being like, I want you to murder thousands of people. And the whole point is essentially it was like, why are you upset about the death of, you know, the plant instead of the people that you want me to smite. Whole point being is like, hey, people can actually change and become better people. Don't just be upset about things that only affect you. Think about other people as well. And it's like, hey, I got swallowed over

this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he only got swallowed because he just wouldn't. He was literally trying to flee from his responsibility. And then all of the sailors were like, oh, you're upsetting God. Bye. No, Jonah was like, oh, I'm upsetting God. I'm going to get off the boat. Like, it was Jonah who's like,

this is my fault. I better get off the boat. And then he gets swallowed. by a fish. Yep. And that's the thing. That's why we talk about all these stories because, A, there's details people don't think about. And B, he comes out of it from the Christian perspective.

I take the secular point of view in the sense of like, hey, even if you don't believe in any of this shit, is there anything valuable here? Still interesting. And that's the thing is like, you know, with some of these stories, like there's a reason they've lasted for thousands of years because there's actually valuable lessons

whether you believe in the, you know, religious elements or spiritual elements or not. It's kind of like the Peterson approach. Kind of, yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, there's a, there's also a great section in Daniel. We have an episode on this episode, this, this chapter where Daniel's at this big feast thrown by Valtajar, the king of Babylon. And he's like, hey, I had this dream.

I want you to interpret it for me. And Daniel comes in and he has, the way it's headlined in the King James version is that there's God's contribution to the feast, which is the handwriting on the wall, Daniel's contribution to the feast, the pronouncement of the. doom, Balthazar's contribution to the feast, unrestrained sensuality. And these are some of my favorite headers in the Bible. I usually just bring cornbread. Yeah, see, that's

his wife was famously a whore. The whore of where? I can't remember. It starts with a bee. There was a town. I do enjoy when people tell me like, you're being very rude and very insulting. That's unchristian. I'm like, there's an entire chapter of

Matthew where Jesus is just roasting the Pharisees. Like, it's called the woes of the Pharisees, and he spends the whole chapter just being like, you are serpent spawn, you are Satan's children, you don't understand the faith, you're taking money for loans, like he's just laying

into them. To be fair, people usually say judgment is reserved for who again? Yeah, that's a fair point. I'm just following the Lord's example. Just to devil's advocate here. God's advocate here. The Pope. Also, the Pope's Holy Crusade on AI

has been the most pro-Roman Catholic I've felt in a long time. Good. We'll bring you back around. Yeah, no, no. Listen, if the Pope declares a crusade, I might come back. I might be able to work past all the other stuff. He just wants to fight.

Been a while. Time for the ninth. Cody, you want to close us out, you beautiful son of a bitch. Absolutely. Thank you guys for joining the Unstrived Podcast. I was joined today by Eli Double Tap, King Trout. Aidan from Laurelunch Aiden from Laura Lutch

Brandon Herrera and myself Dona Operator thank you so much for being here We love you It's a fun episode Bye That was a good time