Unsubscribe Podcast - Why America MUST Win The Race To Space | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 240

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

Astronaut, entrepreneur, potentially the next head of NASA, with his own fighter jet collection? Jared Issacman is definitely the coolest billionaire ever. Get your Veteran’s Month shirts! https://www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/unsubscribe-podcast LIVE SHOW TICKETS: https://unsubcrew.com/liveshows DRINK ECHELON: https://drinkechelon.com/ Watch this episode ad-free and uncensored on Pepperbox! https://www.pepperbox.tv/ WATCH THE AFTERSHOW & BTS ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/UnsubscribePodcast P.O BOX: Unsubscribe Podcast 17503 La Cantera Pkwy Ste 104 Box 624 San Antonio TX 78257 MERCH: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/collections/unsubscribe-podcast ------------------------------ THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS! TURTLE BEACH Level up your game and get 10% off @TurtleBeach with code UNSUB at http://turtlebeach.com/unsub! #turtlebeachpod SHOPIFY Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at http://shopify.com/unsubpod CASH APP Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/5u7gm6rr #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Direct Deposit, Overdraft Coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. ------------------------------ UNSUB MERCH: https://www.bunkerbranding.com/pages/unsubscribe-podcast ------------------------------ FOLLOW OUR SOCIALS! Unsubscribe Podcast https://www.instagram.com/unsubscribepodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@unsubscribepodcast https://x.com/unsubscribecast Eli Doubletap https://www.instagram.com/eli_doubletap/ https://x.com/Eli_Doubletap https://www.youtube.com/c/EliDoubletap Brandon Herrera https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonHerrera https://x.com/TheAKGuy https://www.instagram.com/realbrandonherrera Donut Operator https://www.youtube.com/@DonutOperator https://x.com/DonutOperator https://www.instagram.com/donutoperator The Fat Electrician https://www.youtube.com/@the_fat_electrician https://thefatelectrician.com/ https://www.instagram.com/the_fat_electrician https://www.tiktok.com/@the_fat_electrician ------------------------------ unsubscribe pod podcast episode ep unsub funny comedy military army comedian texas podcasts #podcast #comedy #funnypodcast Chapters 0:00 Welcome To Unsub! 4:31 Senator Tim Sheehy Is Here! 25:45 Jared’s Background & His Passion For Flying 41:38 The Next Generation Of Space Travel 1:11:49 Why Nuclear Is Important For Space Exploration 1:21:38 “ALIENS” 1:25:21 The Physical & Psychological Effects Of Space Travel 1:34:00 Space Weapons 1:39:30 Going Back To The Moon & Make It To Mars 1:49:28 The Best Sci Fi Shows & Movies Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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hi everyone welcome to the unsubscribe podcast i'm joined today by eli double tap senator tim shahey i'm gonna fuck this up it's she he like the pronouns god damn i'm i was i was a he she way before it was cool to be bold me you're fired Jared Isaacman you screwed it up in the intro I mean this guy's a professional I don't know

I thought it was a professional I didn't be shit talking for an hour and a half All right Mr. fucking Ranger Navy Sill pilot All right Jared Isaacman Brandon Herrera myself don't an operator

Thank you so much for being here today I know what you're thinking What's with this backdrop Well Jared gave us a new hangar It's crazy We shook on it I was going to say

before uh before anybody on the podcast uh comments accuses this of being a green screen the jet blows up it's real that's on brandon that was on brandon's time not on ours brandon's in servitude forever five generations of herrera is working for you congratulations you have mexican indentured servants we had a f f f f f f nixen thanks to jared We got to do some – we got to fly in some jets. And now we're hanging out drinking. Brother, holy shit, this is wild, first off. And then every – I have like a million questions that have been holding on to.

You have guys and gals, this. And then there's a Star Wars canteen on the second floor. I thought Brandon was fucking with me when he said that Jared had a canteen. It's a real – I was like, oh, I think, okay, cool. He's got some Star Wars post. boasters on the wall. No, no, it is the canteena from fucking Star Wars. It's awesome. Again, this is like you go to Disneyland or Disney World to see this level of canteena. Which is funny because...

We can bring stuff with designers in. Yeah. Because I said that right out the gate, but you said you actually like snipes some imaginers. Yeah. Yeah. So it looks right. It does. I mean, it looks fucking incredible. No, but this is, this has been awesome. This is actually a podcast that I've been wanting to do. I've been asking the guys for a while because like when the first time I came up to do this stuff with you guys, I had no clue your background

or what all you guys did up here and the more I learn, the more I'm like, this guy is the most interesting man in the world. Like I really wanted to sit down and have this conversation. So I'm excited personally. I don't know about the most interesting guy.

It was absolutely a ton of fun to get to fly with you guys today. So we've got to make up one more shorty tomorrow. We're getting there. I'm not that interesting, says man sitting in giant hanger with jets. Oh, right? asterisk his hangar with his jets with the canteenna upstairs we we all we all flew today except cody

who yeah hey um you know what i like you you're a nice guy oh no i feel bad no weather weather got in the way but the weather got in the way i gave my wife the first flight like i wanted moody to have her her time on a flight and then yeah it started getting a little bit darker and like like weather just kind of fucked up everything. But we, dude, we had such a, such a good time. Just being here and hanging out with you, man. Thank you. Like, seriously, thank you, dude.

Like, Jared, thank you. That was a blast, so we're appreciated. No, we love doing it. So, right you guys got to come out and experience it. A lot of different types of fun aircraft. So this is good for us. We're getting ready to fly a bunch next year. How do you know the senator here?

Well, we're hangar made for a little story. Yeah, we've known each other for years. And all those gray hangers there are mine. That's my company. that, well, used to be. Not anymore. Now I'm a government employee again. But before I re-entered government service, all those gray hangers there are mine that have firefighting planes in them. So we got to know each other through this and then some charity stuff we did together for a few organizations. So you guys are big in the nonprofits and charity work. Like really big.

I know you do. St. Jude's. Yeah, I do a lot with St. Jude's. Yeah, I do a lot with St. Jude. but thanks to the Senator here. He reintroduced me just prior to the first mission where I went space, he reintroduced me in Space Camp where we both went, Senator went a bunch. And he's telling me they were having some tough times during the pandemic where, like David,

I mean, a beautiful little rocket museum there. Some extraordinary, I got Saturn 5 there. Some of this was falling into various states of disrepair and the center stepped in, helped save a Pathfinder space shuttle. and thanks to his and Shravachis that make some donations you get them get these on again too dude and again not that interesting

well my first spacewalk yeah brother stop if we can just start from the beginning for people who don't know anything about your story like where did you start out what kind of got you in because he has to leave oh that's why I was like I have to go like three minutes so don't bother no we just stop I'm here simply because I happen to be here so you're wait no you're no you're

You're like a battlefield, you, Ranger, seal. Starwit, the senator. Yeah, I know. That's what I was like. I think this is technically the first senator we've had in the podcast. Yes. I feel like that's true. Yeah, we had a governor.

Yeah, we had a governor. Not a senator yet. Yeah, this is a reason why. We're not very exciting. This motherfucker. But you're everything? You're like, I'm going to do seal, Ranger, fly planes? Well, so I grew up flying.

My neighbor growing up was a Navy pilot. So he started teaching me how to fly when I was about eight. He was a Korean War Sky Rader, which most people don't know about the Sky Rader. Everyone knows the World War II warbirds. And then they know the next generation, you know, like the plane behind us here, the F5, the F14s, all that. But the Sky Rader is part of this kind of interim era of planes. And it was like the A-10 of its era. And for those of us who fought, you know, in GWAT, A-10 was the ultimate close-air support weapon.

Came in, that epic cannon you hear sounds like canvas ripping. And the A-1 was that. in the Korean War. And he flew those, and he started teaching me out of fly planes when I was a kid. So I went to the Naval Academy to be a fighter pilot, like all children of the 80s. You know, I wanted to be Maverick, of course. And then I ended up getting talked into the special ops route. So I went into the SEAL community and, yeah, did the Rangers as well.

And then did several deployments during the war. My wife was a Marine. We met at the Academy. I was a mail order husband, actually, believe it or not. She picked me right out of a catalog. No. We met at the Annapolis Seals

Exactly Seals The American flag Speedo You know Like that Burr Reynolds On the bear rug Yeah she got Mr. July

Yes exactly right I ordered February I know Perpetual disappointment To this day So like I ordered The other month But no

We were deployed so much In a part It was like 45 days Across six years We actually saw each other So we got married To the mail And then yeah

Long story I got injured Got wounded Got out And I started my company's right 100 yards from this hangar here, which is how Jared and I kind of got to know each other. And the mission was to bring that close air support model. We kind of perfected in the special ops community and bring that to wildfire. So we had built a company from scratch here with some other veterans.

And yeah, and then eventually got talked into throwing my life in the wood chipper and going into politics. Dude. Hey, Brandon. How do you feel about that? Hey, he knows all about that. Yeah, I feel like nobody here at this table knows better than you. exactly how much of a wood chipper that is. It is. Yeah. And, you know, folks on the outside love to hate elected officials, especially Congress, were like the least popular body, you know, in the

nation. But, you know, when you look at our relationship with our congressional body back to the beginning of our nation, I mean, we were the first country really to believe in a powerful legislative organization. I mean, Article 1 of the Constitution is Congress. And as much as we all love to hate it, it is the people's branch, especially the House of Representatives. That's the people's expression of power to the government. And as annoying as can be, as dysfunctional as can be, as Winston Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. And it's messy.

And whether you're watching Jasmine Crockett every day, you know, or somebody else, you're like, what the hell are these people doing there? You know, they're there to represent the will of people. And it's messy, but it's messy for a reason because self-rule is messy. I, too, open Twitter just to edge my aneurysm and watch Chesman Crockett. You went, rewind, just a bit. You, Navy SEAL, and then got accepted into Ranger School? No, no, no, Rangers first.

So when I was at the Naval Academy, I was part of a program. So at the Naval Academy, you get picked for your service selection. So when you're at the Service Academies, you're going to go West Point. You'll be infantry, artillery, pilot, whatever. Naval Academy, you'd be a Marine. You'll be a fighter pilot. submarines, and if you pick to go seals, that's kind of a multi-year selection process. You have to go through what's called minibuds, what's called something else now by the time.

It's mini-buds, and then a screening process. And they basically put you through kind of a hell week before you go to buds to make sure you're going to make it. And in that process, there was kind of an integration going in our special ops community where, you know, Army and Navy special ops are being integrated like they never really were ever before. And prior to GWAT, the special ops groups, you know, whether it was Green, Brays, Rangers, Delta, SF, well, the Green Beres, you know, Air Force Special Ops, SEALs.

Seals. They all did their own thing, and they rarely were totally integrated, and GWAT saw the kind of development of, you know, the joint special operations task force where everyone just got jammed in together, and we're all one-team-one fight. And the oddballs out of that were really the SEALs just because we did everything different. We were water-based, ranks were different weapons, SOPs. So there was an effort to start bridging that game. Yeah, and I was part of that, so I was privileged to go through Ranger training, Ranger School, Ranger Regiment training, Airborne Recon Training, all that stuff. Oh, God. They put you through that ringer.

They did. I'm a glutton for punishment, you know, Rangers, seals, politics. I was supposed to say, you went through Rip and then you went to Buds. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was fun. You did Rip, too? Yeah, so it was the regiment. You did Rip and Ranger School?

Yeah. Well, I mean, pretty much all the guys in Regiment do. Oh, yeah, but I know, but they don't also then do buds. Yes, that's true, yeah. And then fly a plane. That's the big difference between everything. Why getting kicked in the nuts? I do.

That's why he ran for office. Yes. And I married a Marine, too, to make sure that, you know. She'll ensure I get kicked in the nuts any time. Deviation from standards is observed. You're like, man. She's delivered to one of our kids into her own hands, like, caught her like a football, like didn't make a peep either. It was like back of the truck.

I'm like, oh, there we go. We're done And the hospital still charge me For the full like labor and delivery bill You know like because we still go to the hospital To make sure it's all good You get the bill at the end They don't give you a discount for self delivery

In the parking lot That's bullshit Just so you know I'm just FYI if you ever have kids They probably don't have that little coupon In the register My wife's going into labor Sir, there's a baby in your hand

Yes Wash it Do things That's wild Got a free blanket though No, you got an amazing family, man. I was telling, like, before we got it on the podcast, I was talking about your son tried to kill me

with a lightsaber earlier. We all got chopped in half by your son. That's part for the course. Yeah, he's a warrior. I mean, you're lucky at clothes on. Normally, he's completely naked, like an old warrior of antiquity. Yes. Yep, that's about part for the gorse, yeah.

If he's got pants on, it's a good day. Same, brother. So, guys, imagine. him but just like this tall with a lightsaber just swinging it at all of us yeah dude he's a wild man congratulations man thank you you got a beautiful family yep and you're i mean dude again that career is wild both of you both like everyone here is just it makes me feel like a piece of shit because i'm like i got to work harder you got to work harder you got a great hair though i know some good hair holy shit oh gray hair no i said great hair you got great hair you got great hair i was like

I know him. He was just telling Eli, your time has passed. I too did you want. Fucking ancient. So what year did you get out of the military? So Acta Duty got out kind of in 2014. Then I stayed, I did like reserve recruiting for naval officers and NSW for a while. And then I was all ranching in business for a few years.

And now back in the government. Damn. Couldn't resist. I don't know how you went back to. Which is crazy, too. Because you went from never having run for any sort of office whatsoever to going straight to Senate, which for those who don't know, I thought I jumped in the deep end of the pool by having never run for office and then going for House, which is a pretty big jump. Senate is a completely different ballpark. That is a much more expensive race, a much more watched race.

I mean, you said earlier they spent over $300 million. Yes, we were the most expensive race in the history of mankind on a per vote basis here, like goofy, $325 million. So it was more expensive to buy a TV commercial in Montana like a year ago today than in Las Vegas, New York, L.A., anywhere. We were the most expensive mini market in the nation because, you know, we were the Omaha Beach race. Our race was going to determine control the Senate. Now, we ended up with the 53 seat majority, but keep in mind, Dave McCormick had a two-week count off. Bernie won by, you know, less than 1%. so margin of error we were the race that the Dems knew for sure this was going to be the firewall so

I mean they spared no expense it was it was the landing craft on Omaha Beach man it was it was nonstop and they tore apart your life anything you've ever done I mean every newspaper article about me before June of 2023 was oh you know war veteran family man philanthropist job creator firefighter you know in every article after July of 23 is you know he's a scammer he's a crook he's a lot Pace of shit, dog kicker. We've never seen this. I know. Brandon.

Yes. You know exactly what I'm talking about. They grasp at anything they can. They do. What's funny is that like it doesn't matter if they believe it because you know they don't. Yeah. They just, they grab it anything they can to make, just to see what sticks. They're like, all right, which thing do people actually believe?

Oh, okay, people run with that. Let's do that. And you can have 20 people lined up that will sing your praises. And one like random hobo on the street that some guy pays five bucks, you know, or gave them, you know, a bag. a crack and like he says you're a bad dude and they interview that guy for the Washington Post and like this guy's a credible source he says he says Tim's an asshole like well obviously he is this guy's credible let's put him on the front line news you know Tim Shehee sold me fentanyl behind the the target on that's exactly right

right next to Elmo yeah I give homeless guys crack all the time talk bad about totally yeah exactly it's a good strategy you're a good friend yeah yeah you know I I give them some crack and I'm like hey the cop over there has copper in his veins. You should try to get that copper out of his veins. And I try. They go with it. Where's the camera angle cut?

I know. Brady just slowly slides out of frame. He's like, I didn't represent that comment. He's like, and Cody's talking again. It was wild watching, being on our side, which we don't deal with politics, but seeing what Brandon went through on just jokes. And then how the media was just like, nope, dude, hates. veterans as he sits next to veterans in a veteran podcast. He sits next to a purple heart

recipient. And then three other veterans beside him. It was like, no, he hates veterans. He hates veterans. I made, I made a comment at a veterans town hall, you know, as also a purple heart recipient, you know, and, you know, I said, hey, as veterans, you know, because I'm sick and tired of the veteran victim culture, you know, they come home and they're like, oh my God, give me a blanket. I mean, like, listen, like, we all volunteered. We all volunteer for us. And we're Veterans, not victims. So when we come back, there are certain things that we need and we earned and we deserve. Yes, that does not include all of the above, whatever the fuck I want forever, free shit, you know, emotional support dogs at every street corner, blankets wrapped around me, a free job, candy, you know, Halloween costumes and a fucking free car.

All right? No, like, come home, get a fucking job, get a mission, and live your life and continue to serve your country. Now, yes, if you got injured, you got wounded, you got issues 100%. we need to stand behind you. The VA is there to serve those veterans who deploy to combat, who have service-connected disabilities, come home and need support. It is not there to be a catch-all like, you know, campus support program for any need. I need new insoles for my shoes. Go to fucking foot locker like the rest of us. Like, you know, and the victim culture has permeated way too much. And we got to put a stop to it. And people want to talk about veterans. It's like, yeah,

because they're convinced in their head that they have nowhere else to go. They're veterans. veterans. They're broken. No, they're not broken. They're not broken. They're strong, great patriots who volunteer to serve. And the best thing we can do when they get home is give them a mission, give them a career, not give them free stuff. And I've said that repeatedly. Like I'm saying now, and they clip that and say, oh, Tim hates veterans. I'm like, I'm married to a combat veteran. I am a combat veteran, multiple tours. All I'm saying is we as veterans have a higher bar when we get home. And that bar is not, give me free shit, give me a lifetime of handouts, give me a lifetime of benefit programs. No, it's come home and continue to serve your country, continue to achieve,

and make the nation proud again, again. But it doesn't matter what you said. It matters what they can pay enough money to make people think you said. That's exactly right. Yeah. No, it didn't work. I still won by a lot. My opponent was, you know, not a veteran. So him claiming I was anti-veteran when he had never served a day in his life. And, you know, me and my wife were both combat vets. It didn't really hold any water. But to your point, it was, it was something they could grab and run with. So you're entering the crucible again. Thank you for doing it. I mean, we need our generation to step in and serve in elected office.

It's a thankless job. For sure. But thank you for doing it. Well, no, I mean, I feel like you need more people that are, again, like in, you know, more our generation and less, you know, 180 years old, but still for whatever reason being the people in charge of regulating Bitcoin. Like that, that is a problem. Who's Bitcoin?

Yeah. How many bitcoins can I fit in my wallet? Just listening to the hearings about, you know, Facebook or, you know, meta or anything like that. And just like, oh, my God, like, we need help. We need some serious help. But no, on top of that, I just feel like not only that, but people who aren't for sale, which seems to be the prevailing, I don't know, not to speak ill of your colleagues, but there's a lot of it going around. Well, listen, I mean, the reality is we were built to be a citizen republic. You know, a republic is a word we hear. It floats around. But, you know, democracy never appears once in the Constitution. That word is important. It matters. But we are a republic, first and foremost. And that's a form of government that is very fragile and has never succeeded over the long term. And there's always rant. I mean, the Islamic, Iran is an Islamic Republic. You know, I mean, you know, I mean, you know.

I think North Korea calls themselves the Democratic People's Republic, you know, so there's lots of republics out there. But truly a nation that is run by regular citizens who choose to stand up and volunteer their time and service to shape the future of their children, of our economy, of the greatest nation in the world.

This is the only country where that has really worked at scale for a long time. And yes, I'm sure someone listening will dig up like some random-ass Nordic country with two million people in it. Oh, no, they've been a republic for 400 years. Okay, fine. All right, but not the biggest economy, largest nation history of the world.

Like, you know, this has not worked at scale ever for this amount of time. And that's special. And it's also tough. It doesn't come easily. It comes at a cost. It comes to cost of me throwing my life in the woodchipper, you throwing your life in the woodchipper. Maybe these guys. Probably not this guy, he's too ugly.

But, you know, maybe. It's always what it was. Maybe this guy trying to, you know, enter our government and run, you know, the next generation of space exploration. What is it? Like a republic if you can keep it? That's exactly. As what Ben Franklin said, as he left Independence Hall, what form of you, what government have you given us, Mr. Franklin? He said a Republican, a public, if you can keep it, because he knew that it was so perishable. And every time it had been tried, it had collapsed under its own weight. Well, I get like one day a month to eat dinner with my grandparents and kids.

I'm here for this guy because we've known each other years. We weren't particularly close. It wasn't like we were like going camping together, but we knew each other and space camp was having a problem during COVID. And as he said, I donated a good deal of money to help restore some rockets and keep the camp open. And, you know, I was a successful business guy. But, you know, there are limits to what you can afford. And they outlined to me the scope of their financial challenges. And I said, you know what, I got some money about I know another guy who's got a lot more money than I got. Let me give him a call. And I called Yerden. And to his credit, you know, right away, no hesitation, said absolutely, I'm going to get involved. We're going to make a

difference. And he's continued to have that attitude about so many things throughout his life. And obviously recently, for the past several months, I'm sure you've seen in the news, you know, he's been called on to serve our country again. And although there's been some drama around that, I think we're navigating through that, he's got a future as part of this American Renaissance we're feeling, which I don't care where you are on the political spectrum. Left, right, center, up, down, red blue, you know, I don't give a shit. Like, we got to fix this country. We got to reorient our country back towards American excellence and just kicking ass in every way possible. And that means we need, frankly, new generation leaders getting into

the system and he's part of that. So when he reached out and said, hey, I'm considering coming back in and I said, I'll do whatever I can to support you. Not because we're friends, not because I get anything from this because I don't. I simply care about getting the best people possible into our government to make sure that our kids' future is as great, you know, as it possibly can be. And I'm looking forward to waking up and reading the news article where you have voted yes on his confirmation hearing as director of NASA. Yes. Oh, I already did actually. I introduced him. Yeah, we already did V1 of this, you know, where I introduced him at his hearing and was vocally support. I'm looking forward to take two. Yes, perfect. Yes, yes, me too. So, well, anyways,

he's top of the pile best guy around so thanks guys for making a trip to Montana last best place greatest state in the union so have phone while you're here where do we find you or where does the internet find you if they have any questions or anything for you? Timfremt.com Timshuhee.com go there and check it out

call our office anytime so sometimes I work the phones on my office myself so I might be the one picking up the phone asking you what's your problem today well if I live here I vote for you all right I also if you were a Democrat you could vote for anyway. Yes, exactly, yep. All right, see you guys. Have fun. Such a pleasure, brother. Brandon!

Brandon! Cody, call him the one word. Win AK-50! I sense the disturbance in the force. What's up? How do you like those Turtle Beach noise-canceling headphones? They're the Stealth 700. They're fantastic. The noise cancelling is so good, all I hear is Tinnitus. Ah, God, these are comfortable.

They're really comfy. Yeah, those are dope. Turtle Beach, makes them range ear pro. You want genuine or actually, Cody, actually, like, put those on. Oh. Those are legit comfortable. Turtle Beach, what you doing over there, girl? You make it some hot-ass stuff.

I like your squishies. 3D spatial audio to improve your gaming. That would work really good in Tarkov, hear people's footsteps. And in PubG. I can't wait to use a Turtle Beach headset to listen for footsteps in Tarkov, running the new AK-50 while I get still killed. From a wood line, I can't see. What?

Eli, there's a global cabal that's working behind the scenes to control all media banking. And that's why we should have never gone off the gold standard. Hey, hold on, hold on. 80-hour battery life. 80-hour battery life. Holy shit, there's a lot of switches. Can't stress enough how comfortable these are. And if you've been in a long gaming session, which I'm sure all of us have, unfortunately.

I wear adult diapers when I play World of Warcraft. You should be euthanized. Ha! Also, controls. Headphones. Great. This. Game hard.

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Right. Yeah, you know, it checks out. Yeah, yeah. That is wild. That is a military career. That's why when you're like, well, you jump straight to center at it. I was like, well, it's like a hell of a lot of different things that I want to. He had a hell of a military career, a hell of a civilian career,

and then a hell of a political career right out the gate. It's like the guy just doesn't miss. Yeah, and then he saves some fire for some babies. Yeah, I was going to say, like his civilian career as an entrepreneur is water bombing fires and saving towns and schools from Burning Town. He's had an unbelievable courage. He literally did that. Yeah.

That is wild. Amazing human. And now we're going to talk to you. That's why we're like, wait, wait, wait, hold on for the good questions. Far less interesting.

Shut the fucking spacewalks. What are you talking about? Jets, everything. I don't even know. As Brandon said earlier, it is rewind to at what age this begin, because we've heard of it from random people, but I would love at what young age it started.

We were like, oh, I'm going to just... Kindergarten. I mean, it's just really... So my older brothers and sister, I mean, 15 years older, 13 years older, 8 years older, I was raised really independent. So, like, I mean, the babysitter was watching movies, like Top Gun, Right Stuff, Space Camp. It's really, really good movie. And, yeah, and from kindergarten, I was like, I want to be an astronaut.

And then as I grew up, I was like, well, that's not going to happen. So I'll be a pilot. I built my first computer to fly like a flight simulator. So it's been a passion since I was really, really little. It's all the TV's fault. Your first business was that 15, 16? 16, yeah. And that's where you were like, hey, I'm going to do, I mean, if you want to go into

that, because I think even that, what you want to talk about, but your dad would sit with you at your business meetings. Is that true? No, so, I mean, he had to drive me place. I mean, I started the company when I was 16. it's in payments so um like our customers are most of restaurants hotels stadiums theme parks and country now we're global we're in six different continents and um but uh yeah so it's fintech it's kind of interesting but nothing like you know obviously fighter jets in space but started that

when i was 16 my father left his company to come join me so working with him was um yeah definitely one of the most rewarding experience in my life i learned a ton from my dad um but yeah so i kind of was doing that for a while and waking up on my keyboard because it's the best time, by the way, if you are going to start a business, like there's a good chance if you're going to do it a teenager, you're screw it up because you don't know much. But what a great time to do it also because, I mean, you have no family, no responsibilities. So you can kind of afford to give, you know, like 110%, just burn yourself out at things. That's what I was doing. And it was working on the business side, but I needed something else in my life, so I started flying. And I kind of

picked up that childhood passion and ran with it for a while. It's kind of funny because the ever since the first time I came out here and like learning more about your story and everything like that now when I go to to pay at restaurants and I just see that little icon with the company pop up I'm like ah there you go little little piece of Jared everywhere yeah yeah exactly yeah all his pennies they had up yeah no couldn't tell you employed your dad at 16 I think you're doing way better than any of us at this table I was mowing yards we were partners but yeah no i had my tour prior to that burger king you know waiter and all that i mean really from i mean i was i think it was like a caddy at 12 my parents were very like you want

anything in life you're gonna go out and work and do it and um just lucky to spot an opportunity and and i can't like underscore that enough luck is such a huge fact you don't start a company when you're teenager and like it works out the way it does without a lot of a lot of things you know fall in your way um yeah that one and now you're just crushing it and then that's what got you into planes fighter pilot and you own one or two you actually have a company or started a company with others where you acquired how many jets across the oh we had i mean so so this company i mean just give you a little bit of history here um i i knew i always wanted to fly these kind of airplanes i had no idea there was uh you know the the uh the air force reserve or the guard like

there was a concept of being able to you know contribute and serve your country in a part-time way when i found out was after I was flying air shows with some of the greatest military aviators ever. That's what actually, that's the only reason I went back and got my college degree at 29. It was like, oh, man, I'd love to be able to, you know, serve in the guard or whatnot. But we, we wound up flying air shows, you know, we had a seven ship formation act. We flew around everywhere, all these cities around the country, having the time of our lives. And then we pivoted that, mostly because we were like, we can't maintain this lifestyle. I mean, you were drinking a lot, you're eating, like, crap all the time, and then you're flying for four days in a row.

Same reason we don't do the live shows all year round. It was like, this is max fun, super unhealthy, going to end poorly. So we're like, we need to maintain the fun factor, but turn into something commercial. So we ran around the world and we bought over 100 fighter jets. We actually, at one point, we're like the 12th largest air force in the world. So I mean, we had mig 21s from Poland, L159s from Czech Republic. We had jets from Israel, Spain, France, the country of Jordan. And it was so cool going around, like, doing these deals.

And, you know, it's funny. People, like, you know, talk about government service and, like, you know, our government is so corrupt. Until you've bought fighter jets from, like, a Middle Eastern country, you have no idea what corruption is. Like, we're actually pretty good, you know. I feel like it's funny because, you know, you always hear that thing where it's like the, the biggest Air Force in the world is, you know, obviously the U.S. Air Force. Then the second one is the U.S. Navy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And then the 13th is Jared. Yeah. He's wild. How many of the biggest air forces do we have? Yeah. Well, one of them is just. one of our people so we have iran jordan jared yeah that's a weird no no i mean i mean i mean

last name called it drachen but yeah uh yeah we were we were pretty big uh pretty pretty pretty big air force and we were basically just the professional bad guys um for the department of defense we'd have 20 sometimes 30 jets at nellis air force base in los vegas so we were in all the red flag exercises uh supporting their version of top gun weapon school we had um We had A-4s dropping training ordinance for the Marines, for J-TAC training, for Navy Special Warfare operators up in Fallon. It was, I mean, I've said many times. Like, I think commercial space, what companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin do is like

the number one coolest industry, hands down. But top gun for a living, strong number two. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's still wild. And then what was your first, like, hey, with Dracan, I'm going to go out and start doing this where what was that first business deal like yeah how do you get started it i'm going to be up for for the fire force yeah so i mean we we i mean like i said we were you're good i mean

just turn aside we were flying yeah thanks um we were uh we were flying air shows every weekend and just spending a lot of time at the bar where a lot of the good ideas come out and we were like we should do this we should be this professional fighter jets as a service hey the country was started in a bar all right i i think i think it's a it's a great place a lot of a lot of good industries anyway um we uh we basically started to think about this idea but we wanted to be different than others there were some companies that did prior to us but as we said they they they basically put metal in the sky so korean war era airplanes with uh you know no radar no radar warning receivers so they they had no idea that the good guys were there and they

certainly had no way to attack them and we were like so if we're going to do this we want uh we want quantity. Like we got a big problem we got to solve here. Like the U.S. government needs like lots of fighter jets as a service to do this because it saves a lot of money and it preserves the life on our existing fleets. But it also needs to be credible. So a lot of quantity, credible meaning like you can react to whatever the good guys are doing and then you can punish their mistakes. And then sustainable. Usually when countries are ready to sell their fighter jets are crap. I mean they've used every last bit of life out of them because they know what's coming next is like $120 million F-35 or something.

So who's willing to sell these airplanes that actually have tons of life remaining on it? And that was kind of the criteria. And first stop was Romania. They had these mig 21s that the Israelis upgraded. So the Russian Meg 21s, but they put like a modern U.S. radar in, a helmet queuing site, some advanced missiles and sensors. Couldn't get a deal done there. Next stop was New Zealand.

Perfect circumstances because they, for political reasons, disbanded their offensive air force. so they uh it was like in 2003 the american mind cannot comprehend that they were pure defense so they have like um maritime patrol for search and rescue maybe some sub hunting and stuff but every airplane that had offensive strike capability they disbanded which meant they had all these uh eight four skyhawks from the original top gun but then they upgrade them with uh f-16 radars f-16 radar warning receivers uh all the modern data buses and everything we're like that's it i mean that's the perfect aggressor. They used them in Top Gun, but it's even more advanced. We bought their whole combat Air Force, basically. Their A-4s, their Air Makis, and that was the first deal of what became

many around the world of buying fighter jets. That's a lot. Like, are you meeting with multiple people? Like, what does that sit down? Because I still cannot conceptualize sitting down. It's like, no, well, these are nice makes. Hi, John C. Bulgaria. I would like to buy a MiG-29. Oh, it's, I mean, it's, it's so cool. So, I mean, eventually we had to have a network because we determined that control of this industry that ultimately became a $6 billion industry when the Air Force finally was like,

wow, this thing's real. It's not just one-off. So, like, you can really have commercial fighter jets as a service. Controlling the fleet of good fighter jets in the world became, you know, the whole game plan. So we, every defense attache around the world when a country was going to disband their fighter squad and we were reaching out to and it was like, all right, are the jets still good?

you know uh like are they going to be reasonable on price and everything and we would use them to kind of help direct us where we need to go and we'd fly all over the place and then i mean you could be depending on the size of country you're meeting with the minister of defense um you know you're meeting with a minister of state and uh and you're hoping that you have the right motivated um you know kind of seller so you can actually not have these things turn into like a 20 year government program to to sell these airplanes but that's how it went you're you're just traveling around having these kind of cool meetings with 20 different flags in front of you these like little mini UN tables. It's really cool.

That's got a fucking red. And what age were you at this? Oh. So we started this company in late 2011, so, you know, 14, 14 years ago. So I was, you know, a little more mature than 16 when I started shift four. You're like 30 still, right? Give it take. Dude, that's. Late late 20s. At all the whole level. Just to just to share with people, I guess, a little bit of, if you're comfortable with

that, the seed capital you had for this stuff, when you made your initial, I guess, payout from shift four. What did that look like for you? Like, what did you start with? So, you start with 10 grand. So that was a gift for my grandfather when I was 16 to start shift four. That was all we had. We had no outside capital for the first 15 years in business. Other than that $10,000 check for my grandfather. And again, when you talk about luck, it was at an interesting time. And again, we're back to FinTech, so kind of slightly less interesting than space and fighter jets. But it was at an interesting time where it was not a capital intense industry. All the banks were focused on putting credit cards in people's consumers wallets and convincing them to go out and

overextend themselves and um and very little was paid on kind of facilitating the payment transaction of which if you were a pizza joint and you wanted to take credit cards it was a nightmare you had like a mortgage document that was like this just to get um just to get started so it was not a capital intense industry and we were able to be pretty disruptive for very little cost that wouldn't work this like now if we started five years later i mean you need millions to do what we did with very little then but you just identified in need yeah it's I mean, that's it. When people talk about starting a business, like, is there opportunity? Is there an obvious problem that you were able to fix? Or have you created a far better solution than what already exists? And is there a revenue model to underwrite it? Like, you fix this problem and you actually can generate more revenue than cost. That was the right time, right place to do it in this industry.

Yeah. And then by the time you would, did you make an exit from Shippoor? Are you still, I guess, a part of that? So I end about 25% of the company. We went public in 2020. First company back in the New York, dock exchange to ring the bell during the pandemic, June 5th, 2020. And so, yeah, I was CEO right up until the NASA nomination, and then now I'm executive chairman. They're showing a lot of it. Sounds awesome. You're missing that one thing. At 16, you identified that thing. And at 16, I was like, girl, or I played video game. Which was still, I believe, at the time. But it was, if I can say, it was like a nine-digit payout. Yeah, I mean, you know, the company's got over, It's like a $10 billion market cap right now.

Thank you. So you started what eventually became a $10 billion company at 16. Yeah, we should still be going up from there. We're a pretty good company right now. Mark is not totally valuing, so I should. That's the funny part to me is that you're just so unbelievably humble about it. You're like, oh, I'm not that interesting. But yeah, I started a $10 billion company before I could legally drive. My dad had to drive me to business meetings.

And again, major props. That's that motivation. I love that level of just entrepreneurship and then the mindset, even at a young age, where it was, oh, I need to do this here. And then I guarantee you chase that with full intent too. Because it's super inspirational. And that's, I mean, that's what you're about is inspiration. Yeah. Well, I will say in terms of the intensity, right?

I mean, you talk about people ask me a lot. Like, you know, high school, college kids, hey, I want to start a business. It's like, all right, well, like, make sure there's opportunity there. A lot of people start businesses where it sounds good, but it's, you know, it's just, you're not really fixing something. So it's destined to go for failure. Or people actually have solved real problems. It's just the revenue model doesn't work. No matter what, it will always like hemorrhage cash.

And that usually, unless you're in a really accommodating low interest rate environment, that it usually doesn't work. But it's like got to have opportunity, got to have a good revenue model. And then your intensity point, absolutely. Like, that's why actually as a teenager is great because, you know, you know, you're going to have opportunity. You know, actually, I've talked to a lot of, like, people who struggle with businesses on failed entrepreneurs, and it was like, well, family comes first. And I was like, not year one, man, you know, you're starting a business right now. Like, you need to give it everything you have in your life. Like, you want to do the best thing you can for your family when you're, when you're starting a business is make it work.

And that does mean putting it, you know, first for some period of time. And then eventually you get it right. It's the best thing you can do for your family. A lot of people don't understand that level of sacrifice or they think, well, I worked hard. It's like, no, no, no, no. There is no time for anything else other than this. one main objective and then that has to be it and it's maybe one year but it's chances are it's going to be a multi-year process and you just can't quit doesn't matter how hard it gets it's just

okay keep going when i was first starting off and like struggling with with all the shit like just starting my company like i remember i watched uh game of thrones you know i had season five season six whatever it was i was just like binging all of all of game of thrones because i'd never seen it yeah right four o'clock in the fucking morning with my laptop next to me babysitting a 3D printer because we were we were running prototypes of like new models that we were running shit like that like that because again like I was young I didn't have a family like I didn't have these obligations I'm like this is the time like it needs a pedal to the floor seven days a week seven days a week cannot stress that there's no like the weekend thing doesn't

exist either that's what people it's like oh I wish I worked for myself it's like oh brother in Christ the only reason I know it's a weekend is because more people are at restaurants this is a weekend and we're still like you are working yes it is fun but it is still a passion and you are working really hard this is our sunday night yeah this is this is sunday yeah i think so thanks for giving us your weekend guys appreciate you yeah no thank you proving our point we don't know what fucking day is do we flew you could have told me tuesday i mean like sounds right same literally it's like saying it's so easy to do youtube i wish i could just do youtube you know i I agree.

It's so easy, and you should all try. You should, literally, it's so easy. Try it. And then also just don't launch a whole bunch of

other businesses on top of YouTube. It's like, let's do five. Five sounds like a fantastic business number. And you're like, fuck. Now, so you, we had just one of the best experiences,

period. We got to fly jets. And we, again, it is something we can't thank you enough because it is an opportunity almost not enough people get like period that's super cool like just being able to especially being let in because like

we all have our individual tisms right and yours is clearly flying like you just it's it's easy to see that you just fucking love the hell out of it like the first time i i came up here with you guys i wasn't super familiar familiar with you or your backstory or anything i saw you bullshitting with with your pilots and i just thought you were one of the pilots i didn't realize like oh you're just oh hey jared i'm like oh like jared jared oh okay gotcha like you're just one of the guys which is kind of cool i always thought that was neat yeah i mean that's look that is 100% how we roll we've all been flying together again all the way back 2010 we first started flying air shows together so um you know we we definitely don't have like that kind of a hierarchy at all like we're

here maximize fun try and get people excited about what we do inspired to do other big things it's to really, especially for, you know, we have these airplanes, but a big part of the story is space. And this is, I mean, this is hands down the absolute best time, you know, in the history of space program since Neil Armstrong was walking on the moon. I mean, you got reusable rockets. You got rockets now that are being caught by giant chopsticks. You got to, I mean, real prospect of humans, you know, not just going back to the moon, but going to Mars, right? So, like, we can use these jets and we can take up space influencers, you know, and they can talk, you know, they can get big. people's attention on this. We can do flyovers like we did yesterday at the Montana State game.

People are like, who are these guys? Because they're not the Air Force. They're like, oh, yeah, they do commercial space stuff. And then go and look it up and then they get excited about it. So it really kind of helps check a lot of the inspirational boxes, too. Are you friends with Elon? I wouldn't say friends. Like we're like professional acquaintances. I mean, certainly every, every Democratic Senator thought I was close friends with me. He was putting me into NASA to, you know, engineer his singular focus on Mars, not the case at all. To turn the moon into a death star.

Yeah. I mean, went to space twice with SpaceX, which, by the way, is the only way that NASA has been able to go to and from space since the shuttle was retired in 2011. So I wasn't in any different place, but we had two successful missions, and he, along with a lot of other people, thought that, you know, maybe I can contribute. But I wouldn't say we're like, we're not drinking buddies. I've never gone out to dinner, never had a social event with them, just professional. So how many times now have you been to space? Twice. so there's a lot of people that kind of like have this conversation about like oh we never went to the moon we never went to space because humans can't survive past the radiation belt so the real question is how much is the new world order paying you to lie about going to space twice you know look I mean was there a flat why are you lying to me I don't even like I don't even like you would have hit the dome you know like dismissive about or like talking down to people I'm I actually like like

I get it. You know what? We should have just been back to the moon by now and conclusively just showed you that we did. I mean, the fact that it's been a half a century and there's new generations out there that have grown up in the world where everything's on an iPad or an iPhone and they're like, well, if we've done it, why isn't it right in front of me right now? We haven't. I will tell you 100%. We absolutely went to the moon. And you know why? We gave I mean, it was 4% of the discretionary budget. NASA right now is a quarter of percent. Believe me, you give 4% of that money in the best and brightest minds for a decade. you're going to do some pretty damn awesome things.

But it was so expensive, and we beat the Soviets there for a lot of good reasons. It definitely had benefits back here on Earth, but we lost the will to do it. We didn't have the stomach for the budget, and we let way too much time go by. But that's changing. For the skeptics out there, you do not have to wait long, I promise you that. I'm so excited. This is a lot of people I don't think understand how small the NASA budget is. Because you get to see, it's like, well, look how much we're wasting for Mars or these mission trips.

and then it is 0.2% I mean even less I mean it's also I mean it's cool to see that evolved too where like NASA went from being the spearhead of like they were the ones

who were doing everything so now NASA can just be a supplementary arm of the blue origins of the SpaceX basically just helping them do something they're already doing like commercial space was as a concept in the 70s

a fucking pipe dream and now it's reality. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'd say, you know, first, like SpaceX, Blue Origin, for all the things they are doing to wow us, uh, they benefited from decades of what some of the best and brightest at NASA pioneered during a time when, you know, like, you know, the computers that they had to use to get us to the moon and back where the size of warehouses versus, you know, what you can do on an iPhone today. They were brilliant. I mean, they were doing these kind of orbital calculations before they even had computers to attempt these things. Yeah. They're doing it on paper and they're doing it to a

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I will say too, there was an appetite for risk. I mean, that was a battleground during the Cold War. We took more risk then than we did now. they had a lot more money to do these kind of extraordinary things so this is like to me it's never in either war it's not like do we you know now we can just hand everything over to SpaceX no

you know like there is a world for both and what it means is just NASA has to recalibrate for when they pioneer something they truly figure it out and hand it off to industry to do it better where competition can create innovation and drive down costs I mean the best thing in the world for SpaceX is Blue Origin to do well I mean they'll just feed off each other and give us

really cool things like we've all been seeing right And then what does NASA do? It works on what they can't do. To figure out something else that's like truly cutting edge, like I'm a big fan of nuclear propulsion. SpaceX and Blue Origin aren't going to mess around with highly enriched uranium. They're not going to launch a nuclear reactor. You know who would?

President Trump would. He would absolutely. He's already making nuclear grade again, clear the pathways, let NASA work on what no one else can do and hand off what they already figured out to industry to make it better. That's a relationship, man. That's what I was going to ask you about, too, is because like what is there what is making you excited right now when it comes to that like what

is the next big thing because i mean obviously like reusable rockets was fucking huge huge that was massive but like what's the next big step what are you what are you looking forward to you're like this is going to revolutionize stuff and it's close yeah and i and i just want to on reusable rockets like as somebody who is a total political newcomer you know six six six nine months ago i had one political position from running a defense company for 10 years the competitiveness of our nation like We can't lose. Like, we always have to be the beacon of light and freedom in the world. And when we were, you know, replicating with fighter jets, the bad guys,

and what we were doing in 2013, 2014, we were, you know, we were playing China. We're 1960s, make 21s. By 2019, it was like, wow, we can create some real problems for the good guys. And that made me, that made me concerned. And I'll tell you, bring this back to space. If we didn't have reusable rockets right now, you know, what SpaceX did pioneer with Falcon 9, China would absolutely be putting more rockets in space than us. By far, and why is that a big deal?

It's the high ground. It's the ultimate high ground. It's a high ground for sensors. It's being weaponized. You do not want to give up that ground. So thank goodness for reusable rockets in ordering to keep this edge. But we're not going to hold this forever. Like we need to keep pushing forward.

Obviously the president certainly understands that he created the space force for a reason saying, this is an important domain. We can't screw this one up. And we just need a lot more companies like SpaceX, Blue Origin, Stoke, to make sure we hold the high ground. I love it. It is. Unreusable rockets is the idea of that. And yes, we've had a couple of failures.

But it's wild that people are like, look, it blew up. You're like, no, no, no, you do not understand. This did not exist a decade ago. This is, this is groundbreaking tech. And this is saving, God knows how much money. So just about every rocket we've ever tried to throw up has exploded. The challenge is why we lost. I mean, the challengers, why you've seen a big decrease in budget, right, once that, or one of the reasons.

You had a couple different. I just mean even in the test bed phase. Oh, yeah. Like rockets blow up all the fucking time before you get them piled. Look, I mean, throughout the test, look, it's a controlled explosion accelerating, you know, to 17,500 miles if it's staying in lower orbit, 25,000 plus miles an hour if it's going to the moon or Mars. So, yeah, it's a lot of energy you're putting into something like things can go wrong. Falcon 9, by the way, and it's important when you look at something, an organization like SpaceX, they have the operational side where they take no chances.

So that's what puts up the Starlink's. That's what sends crew to the space station. It's what sent me on my two missions, sends cargo up to Space Station. And then they have their development side where they are trying to do the near impossible, just like NASA tries to do, and that's Starship. And that is radical. We have never had a rocket in history where the bottom of the rocket, the booster, and the top of it, are entirely reusable.

I mean, almost throughout all of human spaceflight, when you're done with the rocket, you throw it in the ocean. I mean, imagine, like, how much that costs? I mean, you know, Elon said it very much. Like, you know, how many people will be going to Disneyland if we threw away the 737 every time you got there? Not many, right? So, like, Starship, yeah, it's had some setbacks.

It is doing something very radical. And Blue Origin is going for reusability, too. They're going to have some bad days. But that's very different than the operational rockets that are out there that, you know, the country needs to depend on. Those are been, I mean, those are extraordinarily reliable. I'd never, never hesitated at all thinking we would be okay on our missions. For sure.

And so all of the Starship production is done in South Texas, it's down in Brownsville. Yeah. I've gotten the opportunity before to tour that facility. And just to see the sheer fucking scale of those rockets and just even just the booster, like what they were able to catch, it's whatever you're thinking in your mind, it's bigger. And it is it's impossible to like that that whole thing put together is bigger than like the the Seattle space needle like it's it's the biggest manmade flying object ever 100% just putting it all together just like the booster plus the actual rocket on top like you look at it and your brain just kind of shuts down like oh like that that's something that has made it to orbit I mean you go to you go to star base you know Brownsville Bocca, Texas. I call it. It's like is it a religious experience going there for your space? absolutely. I got like vibes from Manhattan Project. I mean, my first time there was still very, you know, there was a lot of tents and dirt and dust around and just people working to make

it happen. They call it the gateway to Mars for a reason. You know what I appreciate most coming out of the, you know, kind of the defense industry on that one is the big defense primes that control all the contracts. They don't touch a keyboard without a contract. They rarely spend their own money. You know, government's got a good idea. They got a good idea. Give me a contract for first before I do anything. You know, my, you know, company at Dracan, we had a big, you know, field of dreams. If you build it, they will come, solve a big problem and the demand will be there. And that entire Facilion Starbase, no one gave a contract to do that. They went out and just spent tons of money, billions of dollars. You know what? We need to do this. For the sake of

humanity, we need, you know, a interplanetary rocket that's rapidly reusable as DOD applications, human exploration, everything, robotic, so badass. And they're like, we're going to build it here. we're going to spend billions of dollars then we're going to build the rocket we don't care if we get a contract or not we're doing it for the good of all of human kind it's energizing that's that's that's the cool part at least to me is that like say what you will about Elon but like the idea came first and the passion came first the business came later yeah fuck it I guess we'll give the world Wi-Fi I don't know but I just want rockets like you know it's like all the the the actual business models came that was a secondary

step like with Starship is like I don't know fuck it we'll find a way to make it cash flow but like we're going to make the biggest rocket ever made yeah 100% And rapid and reusable will never throw it away. And that's the whole thing when people are like, you know, we got to take care of all our problems here on Earth before we think about Mars. First, it's a good argument. It's another thing I'm not dismissive of. It's been the space program has faced it since the beginning of time. But here's what I'll say, what's different now than it was, you know, 50, 60 years ago.

You got some of the richest people in the world footing the bill. You're right. Elon's doing it. He's not doing it because there's a gold rush on Mars. He thinks it's a good hedge against something catastrophic happening here on Earth, not to mention it's a good stepping stone towards our destiny to explore the cosmos. but he's footing a lot of the bill Jeff Bezos, who Blue Origin is foot in a lot of the bill and I'll tell you

In the process, you're paying thousands of engineers You're employing thousands of people Who are on Earth You know, you're fueling that economy as well Great for the economy All these brilliant engineers and minds coming out of, you know, out of college and they'll go on and create other awesome startups What I'll say to is like when they do this

Not if like when Starship When, you know, New Glenn is successful with Blue Origin Stoke and all the other guys like the problems it will solve here on Earth, we don't know yet. It will be many. It's amazing. Like when you have a vehicle that can send 100 tons to Mars, is it also sending, is it changed the whole UPS in FedEx dynamic?

Are we sending a package, you know, one hour delivery to the other side of Earth? You could. You do point to point travel with it. It has DOD applications to it. I mean, it's just, you know, for everyone, it's like it's, you know, all these things are a waste for humanity. No, like first, other people can foot the bill. And second, you have no idea what benefits it will have back here at home.

especially in space it's like spaces that it's how you I love the idea that's how you advanced as mankind it is space that is like the Kardashian scale it's like those little things where you're like fuck yes this is here's the type one civilization and then you get a see on that that mindset is like what's a type two what's a type three and then it is that mind blowing of

holy shit these would look like gods and they are just technologically advanced on top of that like something a little bit more I subscribe man I love this shit something a little bit more more tangible as I mean look at Howard Hughes yeah all the stuff that he did like and geostationary satellites all that stuff is like he was just a again a rich dude fucking around with stuff that he thought was cool yeah I mean like I said it all the time like Elon somehow has picked all of

humankind's greatest engineering problems um for like the good of humanity you know people people who are blind or can't walk I think I can build neuro implants to help them see again and walk and you know maybe a lot more electric vehicles and you know more solar is good thing. You know, maybe digging tunnels underneath the ground so we can get rid of traffic, maybe building like interplanetary rockets, or, you know, I don't want AI to go out of control and create, you know, T-1,000's

gunning us down, so I'm going to build responsible AI. Instead, we're just going to make him super racist on Twitter. Yeah, exactly. Literally, everything he's trying to do. I mean, you know, he may not always have the perfect delivery or the most timely, like timelines or whatever on these things, but like he's literally trying to solve humankind's greatest problems.

You know, like the country needs more Elon's and more SpaceX, and more tassels. I have no skin color, but I'm a slur. I have no but I must come. Those filthy wireback clankers. Dude, A.I's. So what is, man, just.

So many directions to go with this. This is like, a spacewalk. Just even that idea is just a spacewalk. What was that like? The training that led up to that. and then that moment where you're doing it because that has to be a religious experience and then also fucking terrifying at the same time.

Especially since I think like your spacewalk was unique. Yeah. As far as like, I don't know what to say of whether or not it was like a first or anything, but like, well, it's a very elite club. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not big on like the first and that kind of thing. Like I just, I care about the mission.

There is one first from my last trip in space player storm, which I do, I do like to underscore, because I think it's awesome. It's two of my crewmates, Sarah Gillis and Anna Menon became the women who've traveled farthest from Earth ever. I mean, and we talk about is the Van Allen belt like this impenetrable wall? We were in it. We certainly got a fair share of radiation, but, you know, a year later, I'm still kicking here, man.

They're doing fine. We get checked out all the time. So that was a cool first. Was it actually like a serious problem that you guys were worried about, the amount of radiation you were getting? Not on us. We knew that basically, you know, our five days in orbit, we got the equivalent. of radiation exposure of being on the space station for three months.

So it's a lot. And by the way, the space station even goes through portions of the Van Allen belt. There's something called the South Atlantic anomaly where the Van Allen belt comes down really close about 240 kilometers above Earth. The space station is about 400 kilometers and change. So it goes through it all the time. Like we deal with that radiation. We were more concerned about the vehicle because humans don't like radiation.

Avionics don't like radiation. So we did a lot of simulations of like what happens when we go full, you know, like Apollo 13 here on this. And we had bets between myself and the, you know, the Capcom at SpaceX, which is the core. And, you know, it's a Capcom plus a really brilliant engineer. And he was like, I think you're not going to have any alerts at all. Like, I think we really harden this thing. They actually took the avionics out of the Dragon spacecraft and put it on a, like a medical gurney to like an oncology lab and just chucked like protons at it. And they're like, it should be mostly fine. They showed us the videos and everything. And I was,

Like, I think we'll still get alerts. We got alerts. So the people don't understand it is radiation. What it does is it breaks down, like the, I mean, literally the molecular level, it just breaks it apart. And that's why electronics suffer from it. Well, for the human, I mean, it can mess with your DNA and increase the probability of cancer.

It shreds it. And you can't, yeah, it's terrifying. For the avionics, it can do one of basically two things. Usually it's like, we call a single event upsets. and they basically requires whatever those electronics are that were impacted, we have to reset them. And they usually come back. And then there's like, if it's really bad hits,

it cooks them and you can't bring them back. And our sun, our mission, like the sun goes through high and low cycles and when it's angry. And when it's angry, it has lots of solar flares, coronal mass, injections. And when it chucks those things out, you basically get a warning of about, you know, like nine minutes, time, you know, light travels from the sun to us.

You get a little bit of a warning, like, hey, you might have some serious dosage on its way. And, you know, it looks really pretty on Earth. You get the nice aurora, you know, it's like, oh, it's cool. Like, there's purple skies down in Alabama. That's never seen that before. Well, if you're in space, you're freaking out. I love how we've returned to, like, Aztec mindset. We're like, oh, shit, sun's angry.

Yeah. Does that chronic suggest, that is like, you are talking about an explosion that is a wave of fire that is 80 times the size of Earth. That just explodes outwards. and then that rushes at us. And that's where it's like, oh, thank God, we have this ozone layer because that is the only thing protecting us. Yeah, yeah, Earth's magnetic sphere is our protection. Not if Taylor Swift has anything to say about it.

And, yeah, look, you can have like a solar flare, coronal mass ejection. It doesn't necessarily mean you've got some, you know, you know, some heavy ions coming your way or whatnot, but it's a good indicator that it might, and that could be a problem. But I know you asked about Spacewalk, but that was the first I thought I was just really proud of,

like two crew members who were brilliant engineers. It's fucking cool, yeah. It was really cool. But spacewalk was awesome. We spent two years building a suit. And we started with the intravehicular suit, which is a suit you see all the astronauts wear when they, you know, it's an IBA suit when they get in the spacecraft. And really, it's just a last line in defense.

You get a fire, you take a micrometeoride orbital debris. Like, look, there's a billion bullets whizzing around in space. Paint ships that come off of a satellite. And they're traveling 17,500 miles an hour. and there's a lot of energy when they hit a vehicle and they can go right through it. So you take a hole in the spacecraft, oh, thank goodness I got the suit on, it pressurizes, let's come home and it's emergency. But that is not a suit you do a spacewalk in.

You don't walk on the moon or Mars in it because when that thing puffs up and fully pressurized, you're like the marshmallow man, you can't move. So we had to start with that and put joints in, you know, bearing rotator cuffs, you know, in the shoulders and the wrists, you know, gloves that actually had dexterity so that you could actually hold tools because what's the whole point? here. The point is, if you get to the moon or Mars, you get outside your spaceship, and you discover things, and you build things and repair things. So two years, the best mines there built an incredible suit. We took it into a vacuum chamber at NASA. We knew it worked.

We developed a whole pre-breathed to denitrogenate, so we didn't have, you know, basically the bends or decompression sickness, and we went out and it was cool as hell. That's something you have to worry about? Is decompression sickness there? 100%. No shit. Yeah. Okay. Because I know like, so Ben's like when you're doing deep sea diving and stuff like that that's something you have to worry about because you have like multiple atmospheres worth of pressure. You have to worry about that in zero G. Yeah, I mean, basically high to low is always the is always the problem. So high pressure, low pressure, high pressure generally building up more nitrogen unless you've denitrogenated your body. And then you go low pressure and that's

your opening the can of soda. So when you're scuba diving, you know, you go down like three, four atmospheres, whatever. You got, you know, you're breathing normal air. You're loading up nitrogen your system. You return to the surface and you're begging all those bubbles come out of solution. and that's what causes joint pain. And it can, that's type 1, DCS is joint pain, type 2, is you can have cerebral issues, cardiac issues and such. So think about it in the spacewalk. We're going from normal atmosphere, like one atmosphere, to zero,

except whatever's in your suit pressure. So you're going high to low, and you absolutely can get DCS. People during testing got DCS, and when we were, you know, not any of the crew members, but there was a whole testing regime of how to de-nitrogenate. Because we had no airlock. That's kind of key is on the space shuttle space station, you have an airlock.

So you got an airlock, you can go and breathe 100% oxygen, not worry about creating an environment where you could have a fire. We didn't have that. We had to throw air atmosphere, so we had to figure out a way to not breathe 100% oxygen for a while and create a fire hazard. So our risk for DCS was higher. But we figured it out, and obviously we had no DCS hits.

But, I mean, even you read Michael Collins' book, you know, on the Apollo 11 mission, he talked about, he would get Type 1 DCS on his Gemini mission, and then his Apollo mission, And he was, just physiologically, he was more susceptible to it. Oh, shit. He didn't know what that time was like, I don't know. I think he knew.

He knew, but he was like, you know, he's a fighter pilot. And he's like, I'm not telling anyone. I tell anyone I get, I'm susceptible to this. Like, I'm getting pulled from the rotations. Oh, dude, that is so true with the government. I'm going to lie about everything. Vomit blood. That was grape juice.

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That's cash out. So what was then walking out, though, and doing that spacewalk? So now you built the suit, and then you guys are up there and gals, and now it's like, okay. Yeah, so it was short. We basically, the whole operation was just under two hours. We each had eight minutes outside the vehicle. And the reason is we're breathing 100% oxygen. We had to bring all our own tanks for this.

There's no airlocks. We threw away our atmosphere, so we had to repressurize the vehicle. So we didn't have much time out there, and I'll tell you, it was not what I expected. So I'd went up before, we had the cupola on my first mission, which was the biggest continuous window in space, and I'm like, I've seen, I've seen the most beautiful thing you can imagine from space. It's probably going to look like that. And I was wrong. It was, it was so much more intense. It was this big sensory thing because not only did you have that visual stimulus of, like, you know, you poke your head out and you're seeing Earth right in your face, you've got all

that, you've got the noise of the oxygen flowing in, you've got temperature, you're cold as hell. We were worried about overheating, so it was like extra oxygen coming in to really cool you down. You got the exertion of moving against a suit pressurized to 5.2 PSI, so even any movement was exertion. And it just was overwhelming coming in, but it was awesome. And then nothing around you. Yeah, just earth out the front, and then when you looked into the darkness of space, that was like the unsettling. Yeah, like what went through your fucking mind, just looking at it? Yeah, I mean, that was a surprise

because I just did not think that it would feel differently but I've talked to other astronauts too I was like, hey, how do you feel when you look away from Earth? Because you don't always see the stars and I know it's another like kind of conspiracy thing you've got to be in the right orbit

where you're in eclipse because if you have any light coming off of Earth, it kind of drowns it out so you need to be in eclipse, you need the moon in the right spot and then yes, you can see beautiful Milky Way stars so it's like but why don't I always see it? Well, it depends.

If the Earth is illuminated, you're not going to see stars. So I looked out in the And I've asked people, like, what happens when you just look out in the darkness of space? And astronauts have been like, man, I felt like I was swimming in ink. Like, I've heard all these things. And, like, most people generally agree it is rather unsettling because you have an appreciation for just the vastness of space in front of you. And everything you're looking at is trying to kill you. You have no atmosphere to breathe.

You got, you know, bullets zinging by the micrometeoroid that will pierce your, not only your soup, but everything through you. you got radiation my heart rate monitor went down from a rad hit because we were actually in a high radiation portion of the orbit and it's just like whatever that is our destiny to go out and explore among the stars and we're just going to proceed with caution that is what a horrible sentence dude that's that lovecraftian and it's why humans have a problem with lovecraftian horror is this idea of okay when I look down the vast yeah and that is the thing it's like you look out space and you're like holy shit I see no nothing and you're like okay that's just our so well yes the universe and everything but you're not seeing that you're you're seeing maybe the milky way and even then you're not seeing much of that i also love that like not that you meant it this way but just like yeah i've asked other astronauts it's a small club uh well i hope it's not for long um yeah i like i'm like i don't like any of the you know you're lucky enough to get struck by lightning to be an astronaut like that's what

I love about why all these incredibly rich people are allocating their resources to give a capability for the benefit of all humankind, which is we are destined to go out and explore. We have to. Like our star at some point, going to gobble us up. You know, the dinosaurs aren't around for a reason. Be cool if they were. Maybe with some of these cool science projects that some of these people are funding, we can, because that would make the world a more interesting place, too, if there was T-Rexes running around. Is there your next move? Can you do Jurassic Park? No, I am rooting on some of these people because I think it will bring us as a species together.

I have the Jets, start Jurassic Park. I have an embarrassing story about this. I want to hear this, yeah. I don't think I've ever told this anywhere. When I was in fifth grade, I was one of those like really just autistic focused kids that just like I just, you know, Jurassic Park was like my thing. I wrote a letter to President Bush to ask for funding for a Jurassic Park program. Nice. Because I was, I was super about it.

Like that was just my thing. I'm like the I watched the fucking movies I read a book that was basically like this is how you would do it I talked to companies that were doing like genetic sequencing you know all the machines and whatnot like acquiring of the fossils you know genetic deterioration like I went on a deep dive at nine years old I was like basically got a return letter back from the president that was like stay in school yeah one of those kind of things now we we have Jared Jared sick park no No, no, this isn't for me, but there's enough people. There's people working on bringing the mammoth back, and it's like, why stop there? We got the dire wolves. Yeah, exactly. Dyer wolves, mammoth, T-Rex, world would be more interesting.

I bet it would bring humankind way closer, right? Dude, I'm just going to bully you into making Raptors now. Love a girl. But these are all the good reasons why we inevitably have to press out. And that doesn't mean Mars is going to be our infinite home. It's going to suck at Mars for a really long time. But it's a stepping stone to go out and, like, this is the, this is, I'm sorry, It's humankind's greatest adventure.

I mean, I have memories of being, like, geography class in, like, sixth grade, like, well, everybody figured it all out. I mean, they found every island. They climbed every mountain. Like, what is there? Oh, no, that journey is nothing pales in comparison to what's out there. And we're just getting started. That's a lot of people don't, every time mankind looks at it as, okay, we've discovered everything. It was first.

Here's the continent. Okay, hey, here's now we have the world. Okay, it's flat. Okay. now we have oh holy shit we're a heliocentric uh solar system model it's not everyone you're studying on this man this is my fucking you weren't joking this is my tism dude like this is the shit i'm never going to talk about so it is like okay we're heliocentric but until then it's not known and then we the earth was the center and everything revolved around that and now you're like

solar system and a holy shit okay now we have uh was it prox proxmas centauri that's our closest star But that's like two light, three year, light years away. I think four light years are closest star. And that is, Trials and Speed Alive, it's going to take four years. But everything we watch there is four years in the past and anything. They watch. Yeah. Dude, this is.

It's cool stuff. But it is always a global scale until we're at, okay, we have now conquered this galaxy. And then that is just the Milky Way. It's going to be the next big thing. Like, because it's, you know, that it's almost like that steampunk era, you know, where, like, we were right on the cusp of a lot of, like, modern technology when it comes to machinery and stuff. that we just didn't know like there's a million different ways to do it and we were trying to figure out how i feel like that's how early space travel is going to be oh 100 i mean like look we are i feel like all right if if the apollo the apollo program was probably in the kind of grand

scheme of not even our galaxy just our solar system was like uh i don't know ancient tribes hollowing out a log and sailing across maybe a decent lake like that's really i mean and imagine when they saw like you know the first like i don't know um you know man a war ship with like tons of sails and mass and they were like wow i could never have even i couldn't even envisioned what this would look like when i was hauling out my log right like that's where we're at right now like we and that's also part of the reason again like going down the nuclear propulsion path is like sir i mean four light years away is pretty damn far um like if we are going to really consider any serious exploration beyond mars you know i mean our our solar

system let alone the galaxy around us like we're going to have to go farther than chemical propulsion because even Raptors on starship fully refueled and lowerth orbit is a great one way where you want to go. Like you still got to come back. So that puts the obligation on either mining propellant wherever you

go or you need another form of propulsion that may or may not exist. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's that's a lot of miracles that need to happen on any planet including Mars. So scale too. It's just like the sheer scale. I don't think a lot of people conceptualize that. It is the sheer scale of space is where

It's lost, like, four light years. I can be like, Cody, four light years. Like, okay, traveling at the speed of light takes four years. It's like, okay, how fast can we go right now? What is the max speed mankind has done? So we have objects, you know, like Voyager. And then we have like Parker Solar Probe. They go very fast.

You're still at like the fractions of a percent of the speed of light. I mean, fractions. Voyager just left the solar system, what, a few years back? And that was four, 30, four years? no no it was launched in like the 70s 50 years just to leave our solar system and it's small and we're not even outside the or cloud like this is and that's why these

going to the next star it's like holy shit how do we get we need more exotic we need more exotic forms of propulsion start with nuclear start doing what industry can't like if the best and brightest can't work on this every day because there's no business model for it and it's dangerous I mean this is the equipment we use to build nuclear weapons let the government do it put the best and brightest on that, which when no one else is doing it, it's going to attract people who want to work on it.

So, like, you kind of solve the talent problem. When the government is working on the same thing that Blue Origin and SpaceX and Rock Lab, all these other guys are doing, you're going to go work there because it's probably a better quality like you get stock options and everything. So work on what no one else is capable of, and then you build on that. So you start with nuclear electric and who knows where that goes. But, like, we're going to go from that hollowed out log to the, to the sailing ship, to the ocean liner and, you know, trying to avoid a couple of Titanic's along the way.

Why haven't they launched a nuclear spaceship? So the Russians have put nuclear reactors in space. No one has done like a true NEP in space in a nuclear electric propulsion demo. In the 1960s, we did play around with this stuff. Like this is like the golden age of nuclear. We could do whatever the hell you want. And we had programs like NERVA where we had what's called

a nuclear thermal propulsion. This is really exotic. It's a nuclear reactor where you spray hydrogen in it and it spews out a bunch of like radioactive exhaust that is very efficient and high thrust. Two really good things in spaceflight engines. The downside is you're just contaminating everything. So we stopped doing that.

But it's actually not that much better than what SpaceX and Blue Origin are working on. So what you do is nuclear electric, very low technical risk, highly efficient, not a lot of thrust, meaning you can move a lot of crap to Mars, just not very quickly. But it's a stepping stone to building even more exotic forms of propulsion.

Hmm. but no one's done it yet but I guarantee you if we don't we're going to watch China do it and then we're going to watch Russia do it it is funny though you're talking about all these like you know giant problems like there's

the speed element to it and whatnot like just how far away all this stuff feels you also have to remember that we were 66 years from two dipshits in North Carolina to bicycle mechanics flying something for

a quarter of a minute yeah you know just barely getting something off the ground to literally landing on the moon. Right, brother. When you put it that way, it's like, that's insane to me.

Ah. It's just that, that jump in human technology is just incredible. It was like, how fast does the, what's the SR-71? You know, you're looking at...

Mark 3 plus. Which is in kilometers per hour. I mean, 1,900, 1,900 miles an hour. Yeah. It'd be 2,000. But what's crazy, Cody, is like, now you have speed of light

is 299,792,000 kilometers a second. A second, and that's where you're like, okay, that's a fucking big, and you can never travel that speed because then what physics. So you have, it's just. Theoretically, we're not quite sure if it's possible, I guess.

Yeah, well, I mean, certainly Einstein doesn't think you can exceed the speed of light. That's cosmic speed limit, but. I'm really glad Jared explained that to me, like so thoroughly, because my monkey brain went to submarine have nuclear power? Why not put submarine in sky? So you explained it perfectly well. Well, by the way, I mean, all these things you brought up, this is like, I get really charged up on this kind of stuff of like, man, we went from, you know, Kitty Hawk to putting astronauts

and we went, I mean, we built jet airplanes, then we built the SR 71. We did all these big, bold, badass, ambitious programs. You want to talk submarines? We figured out the atomic bomb in 1945. Six years later, you lay the keel down on the nautilus, and you say, you know what, we're going to take this massive power. We're going to slow these neutrons down and make a nuclear reactor so we can basically stay under the water until we run out of food or something. And then we're going to go under the North Pole. Big, bold, badass endeavors, and we did invest, right?

And now you can measure almost any, like, really exciting project we try and, you know, take on as a nation against timelines of things we did in the past. From like, Alan Shepard, don't know shit about going to space. It's just up and, you know, what goes up must come down to, you know, landing on the moon, eight years. Right, you know, in the beginning of World War II, we had like four, two aircraft carriers. By the end of World War II, we built 125 of them, you know, over four years span of time. The first Ford class carrier was a 13-year project.

Like, you can measure almost anything against the things that we did in the past, and we were able to do big, badass, bold things in very short periods of time, with things we knew very little about, without all the computers and everything else. And now, in a lot of cases, we almost brainwashed ourselves, like, 10-year program. It's 20-year program. Is it all that yellow? Do you think that because of it, they added a lot of yellow and red tape? Because we've experienced it working with the government.

Moa, we've seen it, and that's what sucks. And do you think that chokes creativity and then technological advancement? Well, I think also having a good competitor helps. Like, you know, we had the Soviets. You know, the Cold War was good because like in a time. You want another Soviets got it. But the thing is, is we got a better one right now. Honestly, like China is, I mean, they're, they're way better.

Like, they're moving incredibly fast on every important technological domain. They're doing it at, like, SpaceX speeds. It's scary because, like, this has real implications. There's how many people were alive where, like, you know, at a time where there was really a question of whether or not the U.S. was the exclusive superpower, you know, where American excellence in anything we applied ourselves to was truly in question. That's real now. And if not, like, you're fooling yourself and thinking, like, oh, there's a, there's,

or third or third world country are so wrong. I can't believe how many people are dismissive. Whether it's space or quantum computing, like, it's all those things. Like, we're, it's, if you talk to anybody on the inside, like, they're very open about talking about, like, just this, uh, I guess, quiet Cold War that we're in with China as far as just, like, who can continue to be the technological superpower on this stuff. Yeah, they're doing fast. They're willing to take risks.

Like, they're not risk-averse and the whole thing. And to your point, like, I think, like, you know, you're like, well, what is the problem, right? Because, I mean, like, what's the cause because we can complain about it all day long? Like, there is a bureaucracy in some of this, for sure, that just, like, exists to serve itself and gets entrenched in the status quo. Congress can be guilty of that, too. Like, well, I mean, even if it's for the good of the nation or whatnot, like, I got to care about what's happening in my particular part of the country. And that can be working against the good of the, you know, of the nation, which wasn't always necessarily the case.

You know, we used to have, you know, seven different companies making fighter jets. So, like, you could have some winners and losers. is now you got, you know, two that basically figured out that if you just build a part in every congressional district, everybody's happy. Good luck going into this, you know, man. Even just listening to, you know, General George and all his people just talk about that exact thing

where it's like now, okay, you have all these oversight committees that they're looking out for the people in their district and like it's engineered that way now. And that's just such, it's the antithesis of what makes America great. Yeah. It's like we're supposed to like good ideas, are supposed to rise to the top on merit alone and you just they choke it becomes a game it becomes a fucking game it is throttling it and choking it because we've got to watch it firsthand and thankfully

we knew the right people that let they could undo stuff instantly so it'd be like you got to watch it be like okay hey it's set up for success just everyone good and then it gets thrown and then finally it's like hey they're fucking choking it like hey everyone let them do them and then success holy shit that actually worked. It's like, yeah, crazy, we've been doing this for a decade at this point. We know what we're doing when it comes to social media and how to talk to people. How painful is it to talk to people like us who know jack's shit about space? No, I love this stuff. I mean, this is like the coolest subject in the world. I mean, it's, there's all the fun, peaceful side of it, which is great talk about and like, you know, all the great reasons of what we find for the good of the world and all that. But then there's the serious side of like where high ground matters. We don't know what we're going to find out there that could shift the balance of power here on Earth. And I don't want to find. find that out the hard way um yeah what a scary sentence it's like i mean anything they can make it here we have no fucking chance against i will let anyone know that if they can make it here we have no fucking that's actually a great lead in all right zero fucking chance aliens yeah what's what's your thought i mean i i i absolutely believe that there is life out there i mean just

do you think we've encountered it no okay i uh i don't i mean generally like generally like Like people, you know, I don't think they're really good at keeping secrets. You know, you keep secrets that are really good, you know, that are important to the security of your nation, but like really bad ones or things that this juicy, they get out. The cosmic speed limit is a big thing that prevents it. But here's what I think, like, there is intelligent life and there's life. And I think that generally people, when I talk to people like, do you think there's life out there? They're like, oh, yeah, well, there's two trillion galaxies and every one of those, you know, galaxies got how many stars in and how many stars are going to have some potential planet in a habitable zone? 100 to 400 billion stars poorer galaxy.

They're like, sure, it must be out there, right? What happens if you find, like, NASA just announced that we have a strong indication of, you know, former microbial life on Mars, and if we can get those samples back, maybe it's conclusive? Okay, so it's Mars. What happens, like, Europa Clipper comes back and maybe has a similar evidence of a biosignature? It changes the game entirely from, like, surely it must be out there somewhere to maybe it's everywhere. I mean, and that would be unbelievable because that would be a great thing for space exploration because, you know, either a space economy is what's needed to fund an exciting future in space

or the knowledge, conclusive knowledge that there is life out there and the demand for that knowledge is going to be off the charts. Like we're, it would be the most fascinating thing and obviously the most consequential discovery in human history. Which Mars, when he said like Mars, they literally just announced that, hey, well, just So everyone knows, it's like, hey, this is, it's not 100%, but it's like, hey, we have a possibility. Yeah, they have a bios signature and that if they can get those samples back and properly studied, maybe. And look, I think odds are good.

I think gods are good if you get some samples back from Mars. You're going to prove that there was some microbial life at some point. It's just so annoying because this is like the eighth time in like the last 10 years that they did something like that. They're like, by the way, life on Mars. And you read deeper, like, we think maybe for these reasons. There's a lot of misinformation, even the Goldiloxone. You'll have, oh, Earth. He knows what he's talking about.

This motherfucker watched two documentaries and trying to gaslight us. What is the Goldilocks zone? Goldilocks zone is from us. It would be from Earth to Mars, essentially after Mars. And then it is, give or take. A habitable zone for an exoplanet near a star. Like the theoretically, like life could exist in that environment.

Yeah. So Earth, one of the things that people will say is like, oh, well, if it moved a couple of feet, any which way we would burn up or we wouldn't survive, that is horseshit. It was, we move in elliptical. Yeah cycle and that shape or whatever Yeah we we very many fucking miles like thousands of miles would we go around

Which I mean thank God it's not that delicate Yeah and that's a but that's the goalie lock zone so it's like hey life can be sustained in this Area and then is it what type of plan is it is that earth is it a super earth because now mass is 2x so Like we would suck at a 2x He knows what's talking about. He's good at bone density you have a because I'm telling you two documentaries he but even like spacewalk space man kind two times speed yeah mankind's not i watched him on the flight he's not pulling he's not gonna learn this uh yeah mankind can't even do space like we're not right we lean calcium bleeds out um from bone density um like you have

so many issues just from a few months in space dude i watched so much you're just trying to impress the wizard no dude this is like i i love this shit this is like this is another area to get charged about because like we are actually getting to the point where we will have the technology at least to get to Mars and then coming back as a whole other damn thing we talked about making your own propellant to come home but now we're getting to the point where it's like humans a problem you know six to nine months nine months probably get to Mars then a bunch of time to get back and one third G like first year in microgravity to get there then one third gravity on Mars we don't know what that's going to do you and then come back home you know you obviously want to come

back to tell tell the story on this whole thing and like yeah it screws you up bone density loss for sure you can have all sorts of vestibular issues like cardiovascular issues like tons of problems and then how do you fix them like we're not doing open heart surgery in space we're not removing appendixes in in in space um you know we haven't done that kind of like surgery up there and uh and then obviously the radiation environment whatnot and then there's the psychology of it like you're like people have cracked in space i said on like the sean ryan so i think he made it a little bit a little bit more extreme but yeah people have tried to kill their whole cruise in space Like, people have had breakdowns in space,

highly screened individuals. Wait, hold on, boss. Yeah, this is. Insert clip here. This is the short that goes viral. Yeah, because I did see a little bit of you talking about that on show. Because I was going to ask about the Sean Ryan show a little bit. Yeah.

Because I got to see, like, a little bit of you talking about stuff like that. And that was one thing I wanted to cover. Yeah, it's, that's such a, we don't think about that stuff. It's very real. And, I mean, look, there can be a lot of factors. People have, like, their hypotheses on this was it like, you know, scientists who were really, you know, Plus, not to mention you're graded up there under government programs.

You screw up. You know, you might cost you a future mission. Is that enough to want to take out all your buddies? But it's happened. And it's happened on the U.S. side and on the Soviet side happened at Mier. So it's not a one-time event. But the, like, the post, you know, the afterward, like the post-fight interview, what is usually the cause? Well, I never, I mean, look, you don't know because it takes away from the hero image.

But I'll tell you, like, you go back to like early shuttle days. Somebody flew generally once, not more. That's not a broad categorization, I'm sure a lot. but like that usually was somewhat of an indicator that it didn't go great. But there are 100% somebody did go for the hatch in the shuttle once. That's why they put a lock on the dragon capsule. And I say this because when you're in lowerth orbit, you know, you're basically, if we had to come home in an emergency on Dragon, we're in the water in 90 minutes.

I mean, you basically are on a 90-minute, you know, orbital period. You come back, you're in the water, you're a helicopter ride from a DoorDash, you know, burger and a pizza. so it's like not that big of a deal if you're on the moon two and a half days you come back you know you got your burger and a pizza and you look out the window on the space station or the dragon it's a big earth it's like it's there it is i know what it looks like it's home and on moon it's you know it's the it's the blue marble it's gorgeous so like your mind is like it's i'm not that far away you're on mars it's just a tiny blue spec and you could be over a year to come home uh that's a that's an environment where nothing we've done here on

earth and i all the credit to the analog astronauts everywhere you know they lock them in these shipping containers and try and create these stressors, but you're still under Earth, still under 1G. If I can, if I can throw a counter to that, just like a little devil's advocate. Please. I mean, it's kind of, it reminds me a lot of like the early exploration, like of the new world, like when people were first coming to America where it's like, okay, that's a three to six month journey.

You know, like it's completely, you're cut off from all of the, the old world that, like, all your family, the life that you knew, you're going into completely new space. I love this one because this comes up a lot. And it's like, but the thing is, is when you get to the new world, water's water, trees are trees, deer's deer, like, you know, and if you work really hard, that's the other thing, too, is like, what isn't the payback for this sacrifice in life? Like, I'm going to go out and hunt all these animals and sell the fur, and then I'm going to build a bigger house for my family, and then it's, like, generational, my grandkids are going to have a nicer house. It's not going to work that way there. Like, it is not, water's water is not the same, you know, we don't have trees. you're going to live in a bubble

and you're going to work your ass off for your whole life to just survive every day will be miserable in that environment you'll never really feel good and you'll never really feel quite like you do under 1G

and you're not going to get out and be like well I've done in well enough that I can build a bigger bubble with all these resources I've collected so it's going to be tough as hell and I think it's going to be like sure you know we're going to send missions there like we do to Antarctica

and you know these people are not going to be doing it for their own colonization purposes. They're going to do it for their nation for what they may stand to learn. They're going to have like a tour of duty and they're going to come back home and that's it. That's what it's going to be like for a while. Yeah, because it's not like an environment where I guess no matter how comfy you get there, you were still genetically engineered through millions of years of evolution to like it here. Yeah, to be able to at least get out and like catch fish, you know.

I just think that, I mean, look, I think there's a really high probability if we don't get the right people on those first few missions, you're going to have like a Lord of the Flies event on Mars. Like people are, there will be people who will crack. People turn on each other. Yeah, it's going to just be ugly for if you don't have it right.

I mean, so the whole thing when people are like, yeah, sign me up for a one way mission to Mars. It's like, yeah, the last person I'd want on my crew. Sorry,

like I want people who love life and want to get the mission done and come back home and see their family. I want autistic people that are like, I am fine being by myself. Thank you. And I'm like, cool, everyone do you. This is going to be super successful.

There's those theories. that that's why Elon is doing the optimist stuff is so that you'd have like robotic drones essentially to be able to perform human tasks there without the before we get there well I think that I mean I just think the whole coming home part uh I mean it's very convenient like Elon seems to always be a couple steps ahead of everyone which is uh without without nuclear uh there's no there's no game plan to get them home other than like setting up football field size solar panels to create the power which is not great there's going to be dust and stuff to create um enough energy to mine and turn it into liquid oxygen and liquid, you know, liquid methane to come back home.

And by the way, there are thousands of people at Starbase to do that under 1G in a normal atmosphere. And it's a lot of work. So the robots is an easy answer to it of like, yeah, sure, I'll just send a bunch on crude missions and put a thousand optimists on it. And maybe that's going to, maybe that's going to work. And that's good. Let them do that. And I feel like let the government do what no one else can do is build some nuclear spaceships to help them out. So, well, so let's say like, you know, fictional reality, we can imagine. put a pump jack on mars okay do we know that there are those resources there like do we know the the the mineral composition of mars that there is any sort of propellant that's there that we

could refine yeah i mean we know enough about uh what is already on on mars and the physics behind it to make the propellant to come home i mean they were deliberate in picking you know i mean you need liquid oxygen but they're deliberate in picking methane um the hard part you know so you got a I mean, you've got a carbon-rich atmosphere and you've got a, I mean, it's CO2 atmosphere and then you got ice. So they can make a lot with it. It just requires a ton of power to do it. And like, who's going out there mining at all?

Like, again, it's robots the only answer. But again, I'm like, I come back to get some nuclear spaceships up there and take, you don't have to put the whole burden on a SpaceX or a blue origin to solve all these problems like the government, 20 billion a year, or 25 billion, depending on which budget lands. That's a lot of money. I mean, think of what startups can do with, you know, a military. billion bucks. Like, we, you know, NASA can do a lot of great things with that budget to help enable commercial industry to do these things.

Gee. Dude, that is why, yeah. It's, Brandon, as you were saying, it's like we evolved for, well, we're here for like, fucking 80,000 years of just, hey, homo sapiens. Here we are, like, to a T, and then the millions of years leading up to that, it is Earth, gravity, at one X. That is the biggest thing. It's like, okay, when that shifts, what happens to human brains? Like, how am I reacting to this? We haven't had the ability to shift just that element for a long time. Like, it's ever. Like, fucking ever. This is the first time we're like, our grandparents generation pretty much. Yeah. And now you get to see the reaction of people breaking or, oh, look at all these

problems that happen from space. Huh. How do we get past this? Also, uh, you read Aurora. It talks about that it's like sending a spaceship it's a book it's sci-fi but it is the idea of i love this episode of like eli mansplained space to the astronauts no it's a book it's a book it's a book i'm sitting over here having a good time yeah like i'm having the best time i'm loving this episode this is my my camera's in this i just never get to talk about this ever in my fucking live do i get to talk i told you this would be a fun episode i know i never fought it that's why i'm not saying anything I'm just like, I'm just watching you guys talk about space. Well, man, hey, you don't bring it back to guns.

You know that at one point the Russians had a space station up there with a gun on it? Yeah, so I do know at one point with all their, all their astronauts, they kept a gun on all of their shit. Because if they would land, they would have to defend themselves against bears. There's 100% back because the, so I just finished it. Like a gun powder gun, like a gun, not like a space gun, but like a gun gun. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, first, they actually did have a space station up, like, one of their salutes that actually had, like, an integrated gun in it. I don't know what it was for or whatnot.

But no doubt this, the Soyuz, the Soyuz, oh, yeah, we talk about the weapons in space, rods from God. Oh, dude, kinetic bombardment shit. Tungsten rods from space. America was like, oh, this doesn't work really that efficiently. The hard part is getting them up there. No, and then, no, it's the atmosphere is like, oh, this is actually a huge issue also. getting up and then coming back down it just is not efficient at all

But you were totally spot on So I read this book recently It was pretty interesting called the wrong stuff It just came out in like I think the last two years And it's all about Soviet program You know during the early days of the space race And man they had issues You know like

First handful of astronaut Soviet cosmonauts when they came back Like Yuri Yagarin He ejected out of his spaceship No shit He didn't land under a parachute They kept that secret for decades So yeah

You're you, Garan, obviously, first man in space. Not only that, first man in orbit. He didn't get your safety brief. Well, I'll tell you what. I think he did because he would have been impacting pretty impressively in that in that, it wasn't the story as the Postock. They were flying, but they had to eject. And for a while.

So they had to eject. Like it was going to, they were going to die. You're going to die. They didn't figure out the parachutes under the spacecraft. So they all ejected. They kept it a secret for a while. totally wild it's actually why like they actually did a lot of skydiving training with their cosmonauts early days and then when they did eventually figure out how to land in the spaceship

they'd land into the dirt you know we landed generally in water because it was a little bit softer and it was like people describe it as a train wreck and it wasn't accurate so yeah people like early cosmonauts would wind up like in the middle of Siberia and they're getting like stalked by bears and they need guns yeah this is real deal yeah which i i read uh Conrad, we lend in dirt. The Elon book that was written by Ashley Vance. It was like a biography thing that he basically talked about that in the early days of him going off and doing the things, you know, trying to figure out what he wanted to do and just all the different projects he was interested in. One of them was actually a space gun.

Like he wanted to do like a laser rifle or like some sort of, you know, energy weapon or whatever. So Elon, I'm still interested in working with you on that. I think that would be fun. It's still a wild idea to have a gun on the space. space station. Well, I mean, for the Russians, it was just necessity. Yeah, it's still a wild idea. It's like, yeah. I wanted to do a video in that for a while. Like, with all the, all the cool, like, gun stuff that was out there, there was some video game that, uh, came out that was like astronauts fighting, you know, firearms in space. Call it duty. Uh, call duty did it, but there

was one specifically that was just like, straight up like astronaut kind of shit. Um, but there, I mean, with all the different, well, God, God, Damn it, Eli. I wanted to do a video for a while that's, like, shooting guns, like, actual, you know. Yeah, nail the physics of it, man. That'd be cool. Smokless powder propellant in a vacuum where there's no oxygen to burn. Like, whatever oxygen is just contained in the case, like, see how guns operate.

I think that's cool. Well, there's no drop. That's dope. Bulls is just going to keep going straight forever when you don't have atmosphere. It's also a great pun. That's dope. Then it destroys a civilization like at that. thousand years from now.

You fired a gun in space. It just keeps... Yeah. Accidentally start a war with a civilization trillion light years away. Oh, so... Oh, fuck, man. So this is cool. There is a meme.

Only, like, really crazy nerds know this one about starting a war with an ancient civilization. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you know? Do you know? The Starship? Oh, I'm thinking something. Are we talking about the manhole? I'm thinking the manhole cover.

Okay, yeah, that's like, you have the... That's so few people, like, really know what that's behind all that. There's a fat electrician. Yeah, fat electrician is the only reason we know about that. Okay. There's some great memes of that of, like, the invading alien species taken out by a manhole cover. It's the fastest moving object ever made by mankind.

Because they, I think they measured in, what, two frames? I don't know. Yeah, it might have been, like, one. Yeah. It's like, and it's gone, uh-oh. That's what I'm saying. We got to get back to doing these big, bold, cool shit things again. Especially with watching Manorkel covers with a nuclear bomb into space.

We've come for the one you call Acme Sewers. Was that one of the Manhattan Project things? Is that what that was? He was testing out in Nevada. Yeah. The underground nuclear program stuff. Yeah. When we do all the cool crazy stuff.

And also very did not care about soldiers. We're like, okay, now walk towards the bomb. but I'm to be to be one of those guys that's pretty the videos that came out of that come on oh dude

what what's shit so cool dude what makes you most excited next in space exploration or just space in general I mean look we're gonna get back to the moon uh there's no question and look I wasn't alive for it

my kids weren't I want to see this happen and I don't want it to be a one and done plant the flag redo of Apollo like let's have the ability to go to and from the moon with frequency and affordability and let's set up a moon base and let's figure out if there's a reason to stay for a while like are we mining helium three uh are we using it for fusion power here on earth that's cool uh or whatnot and then move on because one thing i'll tell you if when americans get back to the moon it means either blue act Blue Origin or SpaceX or both were successful with reusability of heavy lift launch vehicles.

It's not like maybe, it has to happen. It's the only way to get the lander to the moon. And when they do, it means we will have the capability now to send that kind of mass towards Mars. And it was interesting, like, during my Senate hearing, too, and it was like, everybody was so hard on. I mean, the Republicans and Democrats were so protective of Artemis and getting back to the moon as if I wasn't. Like, what are you talking about? I love space. of course I want to see Americans get back to the moon.

They were almost like attacking you over? Oh, 100% because they thought, again, they thought I was like this, even the Republicans. They thought I was like this, you know, Elon Pond that only cares about Mars. Like what Elon knows is that if you have the ability to get to Mars, you absolutely can get to the moon and damn near anywhere else you want to go in the solar system as well. So it was like, of course I want to get back to the moon. But if you can and when you can, it means that SpaceX or Blue Origin was successful, which means in parallel, you've now developed.

the heavy lift capability to send mass that matters to Mars. That's pretty damn awesome. So fucking dope. That's, like, that was what, I don't know, I guess drove me crazy a little bit about all of your Senate confirmation, everything like that, because, like, you, you, in my opinion, in my humble opinion, for whatever it's worth, would have been the most overqualified head of NASA since the organization was made.

It being generous. There's a lot of smart people that, like, way smart than me, they could run NASA, but I was honored to have a shot, you know. I'm excited to see what you do going forward, whether it's with NASA or whatever you end up doing. I mean, you're relatively, compared to your accomplishments, you're a relatively young guy. I think you got some cool stuff in story,

and I'm just excited to see what that turns into. I appreciate it, so thank you. But, yeah, all good. You think Elon's just trying to get to the moon? No, I mean, he very much, like, that criticism was kind of somewhat rightful that he does have a, I mean, basically it's SpaceX, almost everything they put investment or research dollars into,

the question is, does this help us get to Mars? But it's not, it's with the idea that if you can do that, then you can also go to the moon and everywhere else. It's kind of thinking, you know what it's like, it's like I use this example a lot because there was recently a hearing where they brought in some former NASA administrators to talk about the current construct to get back to the moon with Blue Origin or SpaceX using rockets that have to refuel and Lower Earth orbit.

And they were all like, it's a terrible idea, We should just go to the moon like we did the Apollo program, which is a single rocket that does everything. And that would be the equivalent in the 1950s of like, uh, it was like, well, we need to be able to have bombers that can go hit, um, Russia. Well, just make the bomber way bigger then. Make it so big it has all the gas. Or someone's like, I got a great idea. What if we make it so we can refuel our planes in the air and then we can literally send them wherever we want? It doesn't just have to be, you know, Russia. We can send them anywhere. They can fly around the world 10 times. It sounds like a good idea. That's what blue or, that's what, that's what your nation's bright. minds, some of the wealthiest individuals who found a lot of success that said, you know what,

I'm going to put all my money into this idea that we can do basically air-to-air refueling in low Earth orbit and send our spaceships anywhere. And the government's mindset is like, nah, just build it bigger so it can only go to the moon instead of being able to use it everywhere. It was like, so yeah, that's where he cares a lot about Mars because he knows for the good of humankind, we need to become a multi-planetary species. But he also knows, if I can do Mars, moons just walk in the park. I'm going to

So I Hear me out My theory Real quick Have you seen Django Unchained Where is this going One time

A while ago Yeah I'm nervous Cody Where's this going When you go Who's that pecklewood boy Okay We're not going that direction

Who's that pecklewood That blows the glass Jerry You mean Jerry Okay So when you go to a man You want to buy the horse You don't try to

the horse, you try to buy the farm, and then it'll sell you the horse. So I'm thinking that in like Elon's like analogy there. Like he wants to go to Mars, but maybe the government will let him go to the moon. I'm saying? I don't know. I think like, I mean, I think really like the moon has no atmosphere. There's no protection from solar radiation. It looks pretty ugly. I mean, it gets hit by meteorites all the damn time. Like you wouldn't want to be there like that. Mars is a planet. It's a real planet, not a moon. It's got an atmosphere. He knows that's the best, it's not a great option, but it's our best option for an outpost is a stepping stone to go even farther.

But he also knows if I can build a vehicle that can go to another planet, I sure as hell can go to the moon. And it's not a binary thing, it's not one or the other, like the capability enables a lot. And Blue Origins, exactly, that's what you know it's a good idea, because Blue Origins' ability to send their lander to the moon also requires doing the same thing of refueling in low Earth orbit. So it's, it's, it's absolutely the right call. But what's the ultimate prize? The ultimate prize is go where we've never been to planet other than our own.

There's a lot of, even seeing the like Mars, the rover, like watching that the first time, you're like, holy shit. And then watching it. My battery's low and it's getting dark. It did not. It lasted a good time, but they were like, oh, we did not compensate for a lot of this shit. The wheels broke down. There was a lot of issues with it going. They're like, hmm, okay.

Poor Clanka. Billing dollar rovers, man. they did pretty well, I guess, for money. That one gets the soft day. No, just as a, like a Star Wars nerd, clearly, I mean, you've got a soft spot in your heart, as, you know, I do, obviously. But the thing that you keep mentioning is, like, just the refueling in space. And just, like, the thing that comes to my mind is, like, Star Wars Episode 2, where they have, like, the Starfighter thing that it just docks into. and, like, that does the interstellar travel.

Ah, yeah. And then the Starfighter will break off. Like, the thing Obi-1 was in? Yeah, yeah. Like, to me, that seems like it makes sense, especially when you're talking about, like, nuclear stuff. 100%. So, actually, that's, like, that's exactly what people should envision of a,

what, I mean, like, a nuclear tug just sounds, like, less exciting. So that's why I call it a nuclear spaceship. But it's really, it's like a railroad track from lowerth orbit to the moon or Mars, and it's just this nuclear train that goes back and forth. Like, here where Bozeman, there's lots of train tracks, around, you know, it's like, you know, if you got to send a letter next day air, you know, you just, you know, can go on like a FedEx plane or something, but if you have to send a ton of like coal or iron or something, put it on a train. It's really efficient. It may not be the

fastest way to go. That's how you should think nuclear spaceships and you should totally think of it like a tug, whereas you might contract with SpaceX or somebody to put, I don't know, basically this equipment, these materials to build the city on Mars, for example, on the lowerth orbit, and then it docks with a nuclear space tug, if you will, or a nuclear railroad track and it sends it and it might take like 18 months instead of nine months but it's so much more efficient to get there and then it can come back and you don't have to keep refueling it so you have two separate vehicles for like so you got an atmosphere breaker and then you have what takes you the rest of the way yeah fight fight gravity you get to lower the orbit hand it off then let it come

back land do another mission up into space and then let the highly efficient nuclear railroad take all that mass to mars save all the yeah there's no like we we 100% should be doing it because I mean, it has a lot of applications in space just besides that and the bad guy's going to wind up doing it if we don't. Yeah. So we want to be the ferryman instead of China or Russia or somebody like that? Yeah, it's not just, I mean,

like if you have a lot of power, you can make things with lasers and stuff and you don't want, yeah, you want us to figure that out first. Fair enough. That's our toll rolled. That's wild. God dang. God, that's crazy stuff.

It's scary. it's just it's a wild i mean obvious you know not to state the obvious but it's a wild new frontier yeah but exciting because it is a new frontier that we get to you know go out and explore and do these things in but yeah we can't lose i'm like our skills can't be atrophying right now a lot of even the best people not to be ourocracy that want to do good things have scar tissue right skills atrophied from just being told no for too long you know or feeling defeated from trying to do awesome things and being you know stepped on or whatnot and we can't be in that state while the other guys are like full steam ahead that's a leadership that's like that's why was brand new saying

it would be awesome to see you in that leadership position because you have that exact mindset and then your employees will also know it's like yeah boss wants us to keep kicking ass and thinking outside the box because you don't even seem to be like a partisan guy you're just like space i like space i want us to win at space and like that's that's exactly who we need in those leadership roles for space yeah i mean i want america to win in space i mean i mean you know, inspired generations to do even cooler things because of what the pioneers in the 1960s accomplished and even the shuttleguise in the 70s and 80s. And yeah, I want America to lead in the ultimate high ground of space and ensure that, you know,

that domain is safe for all sorts of science and discovery and all the exciting things to follow. It's just that's what I'd love to see happen. Before we close this out, what is one of your favorite sci-fi other than Star Wars? Okay, it's Battlestar Galactica, hands down. I mean, look, it's honestly, it's better than all that. That was so fast. He's so quick. Done on this.

I mean, we've got fighter jets. We got top gun in there. We got the vipers. You know, there's tons of dog fighting with the sylons. We got Terminator in there. I mean, they're robots that try and exterminate humans. And we got spaceships. The only thing it doesn't have is a lightsaber.

Other than that, I mean, it really checks all the boxes. I love it. That was the fastest. Where are you guys out on this one? Oh, shows? You can't pick Star Wars or Star Wars or Star Wars. Trek. Starship Troopers.

Okay. Yeah. It's my favorite bad film. Yeah. It's objectively just a shit film. I'm sorry if that pisses people off. It's not a good movie, but it's one of my favorites.

I watch it at least once a year. I mean, that's a fine answer. I have a Marita assault rifle from the movie. Okay. Like an actual, like, film used prop. I got to look it up. Three body problem. Cowboy Bebop.

Oh, good choice. Anime. Yeah, that's a really good choice. Three body problem. I mean, you're, you're, you're, leaning into this dude like you're really you're really like an academic in this whole thing cody he's got i got cody on the three body problem too i can't wait for this in next season yeah you read the books no i just really dig the netflix and i it's a horrible admission i haven't

but you know i'm really i like a lot of the nonfiction but um good choice holy shit dude where first off before we close and where do we find you like social media i'm pretty much on just x weighing in on things i shouldn't well what do you want to push, though. You help so many charities, you help non-profit. I can also do that a little bit, too. You have a Netflix miniseries. What? From the first mission, yeah. Less space-tech-y things, but more, like, humans and such going to space.

It was cool. I'm not that interesting. Yeah. What was that called again? Countdown. Yeah, it was called Countdown. It was on Netflix. But, yeah, it was just really cool. We had a very inspiring crew for inspiration for.

and then in terms of the things that I care a lot about, that whole documentary and everything really about the mission was raising a quarter of a billion for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Yeah, that to me is just absolutely like the worst thing that we're like when we're doing all these amazing things, we're flying in fighter jets, we're sending people up into space, we're going to go to the moon and Mars, and yet some kids just get dealt this absolutely shi-hand in life. You know, they don't even live to be teenager.

I absolutely, I can't stand it. So they have like SpaceX's vision, is the world is a more interesting place when people can journey among the stars and then you got St. Jude's Mission Vision which is no child should die in the Donald Life I subscribe to both 100%.

And you love that, the people that are all well we have enough problems here it's like well you can do both 100%. Yeah, 150 million fucking dollars to help kids with sickness like that's incredible it's awesome. That is

And Elon was 55 million of that too for half the people out there don't know the heart and the guy's got but 55 million to defeat childhood cancer is pretty good. Yeah, that's the stuff. I mean, you're going to see all of us. That's all, like, we give being able to raise money and then donate. Like, we do two times a year.

It's all profits we will make off of merch or whatever that month we donate. Oh, that's awesome, guys. Thank you. You fucking dime for this. This is going for autism, special needs, and then veterans. And then St. Jews, we've helped in the past where it's like, hey, like. There's a lot of good causes out there. And we absolutely can do both.

It's not binary thinking on this whole thing. So. Stop being such a good human. We hate that so much. We can't thank you enough for coming on, man. This has been incredible. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Holy shit, dude. This has, God, this has been an amazing podcast. And thank you, again, for the amazing day also, lending your jets and time in the air with your crew. We love doing this, and we owe you a flight tomorrow. So we'll get a thought. We'll see. Cody, close it out, you beautiful son of a bitch. Bye, everyone.

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