Up and Vanished - 14 | The Alibi
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Thank you so much for listening. Hello? This is Fighting Joseph Hotline. Is anybody there?
Hello?
Hi?
Hello?
Um, um, who are you trying to call? Hello? Um... Um...
Who are you trying to call?
Um, nobody.
We were just seeing if the phone number will work.
For the fighting Joseph?
Yeah.
Yeah, this is the phone number. What were you guys calling for?
We were just trying to call a missing guy.
A missing guy.
We were just trying to call.
Okay. Did you know something about a missing person? So, my friend says he's seen him out at council.
What did you know?
I've seen him the last time before he started hiking.
Okay, when?
Like five, six years ago.
I saw him
before he was leaving his truck.
But then I went to camp.
And then a week later I didn't see him anymore.
And then what?
I saw him.
But then I got to camp.
And then the day I came back, I didn't see him.
Okay, where did you see him getting out of his truck?
I don't remember.
Okay, where did you see him getting out of his truck?
I don't remember.
I'm sorry for calling.
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Da-dun-dun, da-dun-dun-da The voice you heard on the other end of the call was computer generated for their own
protection, but it was an actual child who made that phone call.
We also chose to take out a few small details for now, details that we believe may be crucial
to the investigation,
which as I speak is very much active.
If you're tired of hearing the play-by-play events of the weekend Joseph went missing,
trust me, I am too.
But it's something I've found myself coming back to over and over again, because it just
doesn't make any fucking sense.
And it's so very important.
In every case, there's always inconsistencies.
But at what point do you say there are too many inconsistencies?
Trying to connect the dots of every single thing that happened that weekend
is like putting together IKEA furniture, meaning next to impossible.
So impossible that in the nights that I've lost sleep about this,
I've sat there pondering, why?
It's almost as if it was meant to be confusing.
I truly try to stay as consciously objective as possible.
But no matter how many angles I've looked at this,
there are some major flaws and red flags in what people are claiming to have happened
the weekend
Joseph went missing.
But it wasn't until recently that things started to click.
I found some tape from an interview the first PI conducted.
He's speaking to a man named Jim West.
He's one of the guys who helped spearhead the search and rescue efforts for Joseph right
after he went missing.
He's also the guy who ultimately towed Joseph's truck for police to examine, which we know they didn't. The
PI starts the conversation with Jim, laying out the days and dates just like
you've heard a million times before, because even eight years ago he sensed
that something didn't make sense. And I'm ready to break this down for you.
Friday night, the 24th, the 25th would have been Saturday.
The 26th would have been Sunday and the 27th would have been Monday,
which he didn't show up to work.
Right. Well, there was a wedding Sunday, Sunday, guys coming back for the wedding, early in the morning.
They spot the truck coming back in.
Our family friend was getting married that day, so we were coming back in early.
Sunday the 26th.
The reason it stood out, I mean, he was right on the edge of the road.
When you're gonna go park off the road and go do something, you pull off.
Hasty parking job. Dan, you believe it's between 1040 and 1045 or 1040 and 1050? 1040, 1045.
Sunday morning now, Trooper Cross went to his camp and counts. On Sunday, Trooper Sergeant Cross saw the truck at 1 o'clock.
A trooper sees his truck the same place at 1 p.m.
But then the PI, Andy Klamzer, talked to one of Joseph's coworkers and learned this.
I texted, hi Jake, surgeon rescue needs to double check what day and time did you last
see him.
Jake responded, it was about 1 o'clock p.m. on Sunday when I saw him leave.
Sunday. Sunday. I texted back immediately, positive Sunday? He says positive. Sunday at 1 p.m.
Jake said he saw Joseph alive and well in the hallway of the home around 1.30 p.m. on Sunday.
Sunday. Sunday morning after Joseph had stopped responding to anyone.
Which would be a little out of his character.
And then he was never heard from again.
But then Jake's story completely contradicts this.
So Andy talked to Jake's mother, Bonnie.
Do you recall seeing him at any point during the weekend
that he disappeared?
Do you recall seeing him at any point during the weekend that he disappeared? Sunday, we were at camp. I'd seen his vehicle drive by. We were outside working on the addition
at camp and I remember saying, I think he didn't stop.
About what time was that?
Three or four in the afternoon probably. One more sighting.
But this time Joseph's truck is moving.
Driving. Where was he heading?
So did Jake mention to you seeing Joseph at the house Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon?
So when I had called Jake and asked him, he said it had to be around one.
And it was just in passing.
Remember anything else he said? said it had to be around one and it was just in passing.
Mm-hmm.
Remember anything else he said?
He said, well, do you remember what he was wearing?
He said, no, I mean, we didn't really even talk that much.
I mean, the age gap was, is Jake still the young kid?
Was, is, was.
Call me an overanalyzer,
but recalling what your roommate
was wearing the day that they went missing
has nothing to do with how well you knew each other.
If these accounts are true, then Joseph's
just moving around all strange, completely
ignoring the love of his life.
But as I dug deeper, I found another interview that
honestly gave me goose bumps.
We had one of the last debriefings and trying to go over different areas
or what they covered, you know, and the question is when was the last scene?
In one of the briefings that we had, Bonnie stated very adamant
that he was with Christine, 130 to three,
on the beach, Sunday.
Sunday or Saturday?
I asked her, point blank,
was it Sunday?
She says, yes.
So Bonnie states that she saw him on the beach Sunday.
She was very abrasive about that.
She swears that that positive was Sunday.
So we're getting conflicting information
right from the get-go.
So I'm sitting there scratching my head again.
I said, OK.
And then about that time, the family came in,
and then she quieted up.
Jake said that he'd seen him Sunday morning.
So it doesn't make sense for the truck to be out there
and him in town.
And I can't figure it out.
Why would the truck be out there and him in town?
She was very adamant, very adamant that it was Sunday.
Bonnie. Bonnie.
That he was with Christine on the beach, Sunday.
And then she started to back off that when family came around on the beach, Sunday.
And then she started to back off that when family came around?
Did that strike you as odd? Well, he filed it in the back of my head.
I don't know, it seems awful suspicious.
If you were me, what would you want to do, knowing everything that's been done,
where would you want to pick up?
I'd go back and I'd re-interview the roommates. Jake?
I'd lean heavy on them.
Selena had noticed a bunch of scratches and stuff,
rosy mark on his cheek.
Find out who in the hell he was with.
Seems awful strange.
Jake continues to say that he observed Joseph coming out of his bedroom
about 1.30 p.m. on Sunday and leaving the house.
So I called Jake a bunch of times, like 11 times,
and he always had his phone set to not accept calls.
You know, I feel pretty strongly
that the most likely explanation for Joe's disappearance
is that someone has done something to him.
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Long before this season came out,
I was actively trying to contact
pretty much every single person in this case,
Jake being one of them.
My first attempt to contact him was on December 6, 2023.
I got his phone number and I texted him.
I said, hey, Jake, this is Payne Lindsay.
Jake responds, who is this?
Why are you trying to contact me?
So I said, again, my name is Payne Lindsay.
I hope all is well.
I'm an investigative journalist.
I tried to add you on Facebook recently.
Jake replied, yeah, why?
I don't know who you are.
Dude, I've told you who I was twice already.
I responded saying, yeah, we've never met.
I'm investigating the disappearance of Joseph.
I'd love to grab a few minutes of your time.
I think it's crucial to closing this case out
Jake's response was
No, thanks
Alrighty, then I said why is that I'm trying to help at this point my eye messages were turning green
So we obviously know what happened there. He blocked me
It's at this point that it all starts to unravel.
Alaska State Troopers went to Jake's residence.
It was partially recorded.
And I say partially because it seems like some of it's missing.
Maybe there was an error.
They discovered on his phone after a forensic analysis that Jake had texted his friends
Emory and Tyler trying to create an alibi.
I don't have all these texts, but I do have some of them.
He texted his friends saying, I had to use you in a story for the state
trooper friend responded.
What did you say?
Jake responded quote, the us three took a drive to Solomon at 8 PM and got back
at 1 AM, this is supposed to be the Saturday night, the day before he went missing.
He asked what I did Saturday, and if I saw him and whatnot.
Obviously, to the troopers, it looked like Jake was trying to set up an alibi.
So they talked to his friends, Emory and Tyler, and they have no recollection of this trip.
At least in the location that Jake's referring to.
In Nome, Alaska, as a young adult, a popular thing to do is bridge jumping.
Jumping off bridges with your friends into the rivers outside the city.
This is what Jake alleged he was doing, but he felt the need to tell his friends that
it happened in a place that it didn't, and during a period of time that is incorrect.
When the troopers talked to Emory and Jake, they found out
he lied about where he was going. Where Jake initially claimed he was, out by
Solomon, is hours away from where his friends say they were. So for whatever
reason, Jake felt the need to lie about that. This is where we all got to start
paying attention. In some of this tape you've heard, but I'm about to play you
the rest of it.
Jake, originally you told me that you went out for a drive and then I talked to your buddies and they said that didn't happen. They told me that you specifically went for a drive that way and then
they told me that they weren't with you or that didn't happen. And then I talked to you and I
learned that you were out bridge jumping, which is what Tyler had told me.
But my issue is when confronted with,
hey, what did you do last weekend?
I wouldn't say I went for a drive someplace I wasn't.
To me, it seems like either you're lying now
because you're covering it,
covering it for something that you don't wanna tell us
for that four hour period, or you were lying then.
You know, when you told me that you weren't,
I went in a completely different direction
with two guys that you weren't with.
And either way, it doesn't,
it doesn't sound like you're being 100% truthful with me.
In Jake's alibi text to his friends,
he told them to say they got back
from bridge jumping at 1 a.m.
But when the troopers talked to his friend Tyler, they learned a different time frame.
So now he's lied twice. back here around 20, 20 hundred at. So eight o'clock. So that's the time frame that you know,
when you guys got dropped off.
And you originally told me that you got back here
sometime around 1.30 and I can even say,
do you know, 12.30 is pretty damn close to 1.30
but it's still not close to eight o'clock.
So again, we're still back in it.
We got four or five hours in the evening
that I'd love to know what you did.
I mean. Cause I can remember what I did two weeks ago,
you know, for you to go, I just don't remember.
But you remember right up to that point
what happened from Bridge Champion to 1230.
We're talking about we got a four, five hour gap
in the evening.
Four hour time gap where no one knows where Jake was.
Four-hour time gap where no one knows where Jake was. The concern about the time gap from 8 p.m. to 12 30 a.m.
They couldn't make sense of it either, but they knew at this point Jake had lied twice.
But their third concern was where Jake was after midnight.
You came back here at 12 30, but what happened after you guys went and Tyler dropped you off?
That's the question.
Do you remember who you were with?
I honestly don't, I really cannot remember.
So when you guys came back, where did you go? Did Tyler drop you off somewhere?
He dropped me off here.
He dropped you off here?
Did he drop you and Emory off together, or did he?
Just you.
Did he drop Emory off at his house?
Jake, what I'm trying to understand is
if he dropped you off at midnight 30,
he dropped you off, and then you say
you made it home at midnight 30,
so what was the rest of it, brother?
What'd you do the rest of the night?
I honestly can't remember.
It's been so long.
Were you drinking that night?
Were you drunk when you came back?
Or is there any other reason?
Is there any reason why you don't remember?
I don't.
So whatever timeline you want to believe here,
or whoever's memory is messed up,
there's still the huge question of where was Jake
and what was he doing after midnight?
The troopers then go back to Jake's claim that he saw Joseph at his house on Sunday.
So you see at 1.30 you see Joseph kind of walking.
1.30 in the morning or 1.30 in the afternoon?
In the afternoon.
In the afternoon, okay.
I'm guessing you probably need to sleep 13 hours if you came home at 12 or that typical
on the weekend for you to sleep that long?
Um, I might instead of later.
Two, three.
Okay.
Just hang out here. Do you think anybody gonna notice?
I honestly think so.
Okay.
13 hours of sleep.
Really?
On a Saturday night in the summer?
Hmm.
Maybe, but unlikely.
You got dropped off.
And then? Yeah, somebody's gonna play video games.
Okay.
Finally, Jake speaks.
Regardless of what happened during the day, which is still an absolute mess and full of
lies and contradictory statements, Jake does say that when his friend Tyler dropped him off,
he stayed at his house by himself and played video games
for the rest of the night.
The second private investigator, Andy Klamzer,
was on a mission.
He found Jake's friend Tyler, the one he had texted
about making an alibi for Saturday.
And the last story that Jake settled on
was that he was dropped off by Tyler at his house that night.
And from about midnight onward,
he stayed at his house by himself and played video games.
Are you Tyler?
Yes, sir.
Hello, I'm Andy Klamzer.
Nice to meet you. Let's go upstairs to the conference room.
I'm a private investigator.
I'm a retired cop and I've been doing this for about 20 years.
Probably 95% of what I do is just interview people.
It seems very odd that they didn't find anything out there.
That was a major search. It's the first of October 22, 1258 p.m. and we're at the Aurora Inn
conference room in Nome, according to an interview with Tyler Eide. So Jake had difficulty remembering events from Saturday or Saturday night.
Was he messed up that day?
Was he like drinking or?
I don't think he was drinking.
Like I said, we went out bridge jumping every weekend.
So in the summertime it's nice.
We just want to jump in the water up the bridge
right
so there's this whole issue with the text messages that Jake had sent do you
still have any of those on your phone
Do you still have any of those on your phone? No, I don't think so.
Do you have your phone with you? Could you check real quick?
All the way back there? No, I can't do that.
Even if you just checked Jake's, there's that many?
It'd take hours probably.
I mean, me and him, we're best friends. We talk every day.
We text every day.
He'd talk every day. He'd text every day.
So I mean, did you think it was unusual that Jake was trying to get people to say they were with him Saturday night?
Oh, he wasn't doing that.
He wasn't doing that.
Okay.
What was going on there?
Going on where?
Where he was trying to...
Oh, the way that his story went? What's going on there? Going on where? Where he was trying to...
Oh, the way his story went?
I'm gonna tell you the same thing I told the trooper.
Jake didn't know what he was doing.
Being stupid and he had to come up with a story
or something, because, I don't know.
I guess he just wanted the trooper out of his way
or something.
And like I said, I told Tim Smith the truth, what I did.
I just told you, I told you the truth. I'm not gonna lie to you guys. This is somebody's life.
And I'm not gonna later about that whole thing?
Because it was a little weird.
Yeah, and about the trooper involvement there.
Right after Tim told me what Jake said, the next day when I went and saw Jake, I said,
what the fuck are you thinking?
Don't just make something up.
Fucking tell them the truth.
Even if you don't remember what happened that day,
just tell him, hey, I don't remember what happened,
what I did, because, like I said,
it's somebody's life we're dealing with.
You're right.
What did Jake say?
He said, he's like, all right, yeah, you're right,
next time, I don't know what else.
So I was like, yeah, well, next time they come and talk to you,
you better tell the freaking truth.
Did you pick up Jake and Emory on Saturday?
To go bridge jumping?
Yeah.
Think so.
So about what time did you guys get out to the bridge on Saturday and about how long
did you stay?
I don't know, we stayed about all day.
Like I said, it was an all day trip.
Then we met other people out there.
We probably left about 3 o'clock, 3 or four, and then got back, I said 10.30.
So what did you do after getting back to Noma
on Saturday night, like about 10.30?
Hung out at Jake's.
Hung out at Jake's?
Yeah, played some games.
Did you think you went back, Jake, Saturday night?
I don't know.
I didn't have my timer on.
Good. A lot of these questions I don't know why you're asking.
Saturday night is like a critical thing here with Joseph and so I'm kind of leading up
to asking some other questions about him, one of which is on Saturday night do you remember
seeing him at all?
No, like I said I've only seen him once. Okay.
And two twice.
And that was long before this?
That was about a month, month and a half before he even
missed him.
Like I said, he was always in his room.
Door closed.
Even if we're in Jake's room, door was closed.
Never saw the guy.
And if we're in Jake's room, door was closed, never saw a guy.
Any idea what time you left Jake's on Saturday night?
No.
Probably late at night.
We all, when we start playing video games, we stay.
We just, we play for a couple hours or so. We probably have more than that.
Have you ever seen or used Jake's 308 rifle that his dad gave him the summer of 2015?
I think his uncle gave it to him. You ever shot it or used it? When did Moose Hunt?
When did Moose Hunt open?
It opened last month.
So after this guy went missing?
Oh yeah definitely.
September when Moose Hunt opened.
Do you have any suggestions for people I should talk to about his disappearance?
I don't know.
You're definitely not talking to the right people though.
Okay. People associated with Jake?
Jake, myself, whoever.
We're wasting your time, you're wasting our time.
We got no beneficial stuff for you.
If I had beneficial stuff for you, I'd definitely let you know. The movie The Fourth Kind.
We've heard this before.
D'Isla mentioned it, jokingly, in regards to Florence Ocpialak's case.
Recapping Tyler's interview with Andy, there's now even more discrepancies.
Tyler says on Saturday the bridge jumping was an all-day event, and there were other
people out there.
Witnesses apparently.
Ones that he couldn't name though.
He also said they got back around 10.30pm.
Which contradicts the time that it was once 8pm and the time that it was 12.30am.
Enough for me to say what the hell is going on here.
It seems like Tyler thinks the boogeyman got him.
Now I'm sure most of us are sitting here shaking our heads and rolling our eyes, which
I am too.
But that statement alone isn't incriminating per se.
But as I've found more information, odd things like this just keep connecting.
And my secret friend from Nome, Alaska, had a new message for me, unprompted by me knowing
this knowledge at all.
One night, we were all sitting around, talking about Joseph's disappearance, and the atmosphere
was heavy, almost suffocating. Kim, who has been deeply affected, often couldn't hold back her emotions.
She just burst out to her sister Christine, demanding to know,
why the fuck did you kill him?
Right to her face, over and over again.
It was a regular occurrence at family gatherings, and you could tell it was tearing that person
apart.
His disappearance was baffling to many, and it sparked so many rumors.
There was one rumor that Joseph might have been involved with the CIA, or maybe he had
entered witness protection. It sounded crazy, but at the same time, it wasn't just idle gossip.
People were connecting dots that led to some dark places.
The judge Joseph worked under had abruptly left town the same weekend Joseph disappeared,
fueling suspicions that something within the court system might have played a role.
It was like peeling back layers of a rotten onion.
The more you uncovered, the worse it smelled.
But despite the rumor mill, Jake always remained at the center of the storm.
He was the last person to see Joseph,
and that fact alone put a target on his back.
People kept pointing fingers at him, whispering about his strange behavior. He had started
asking people for alibis, which only made him look more suspicious. He wasn't sleeping,
and the guilt seemed to be eating him alive. But was it guilt because he had something to do with Joseph's disappearance, or was
it the crushing weight of being accused by everyone around him?
That's what kept everyone on edge.
Nobody knew for sure, but the doubt was like a poison, seeping into everything.
It was like a shadow that followed him everywhere, even when he tried to sleep.
Jake was suffering from nightmares that Joseph was coming back.
Why would he be afraid of his roommate coming back?
One night, Jake was really drunk, and I brought up the reward money for Joseph.
Jake said, I think the Ishigoks got him. Do you know the Ishigoks pain?
The Ishigoks is a mythical creature rooted in Alaska native folklore. I'm a malevolent creature
in Alaska native folklore. A malevolent creature that roams the wilderness of Alaska.
A shadowy figure with a form that shifts and changes in the darkness.
It is said to have a humanoid appearance, glowing eyes that pierce through the night,
long thin limbs that enable it to move quickly and silently through the tundra. And Jake had suggested that this mythical creature may have taken Joseph.
Jake said, maybe he chose the wrong door, and he's never coming back again.
That maybe Joseph had crossed into some other world.
These sounded like his nightmares.
There was a story about a creek that had been raging with water one night,
only to be completely dry by morning, despite it raining the entire time.
It was as if the land itself had swallowed the water, leaving nothing behind.
Others talked about hearing strange noises in the wilderness.
Things moving in the dark, unseen, but undeniably, there.
One person recounted seeing figures walking through the tundra.
Figures that shouldn't have been there. They slammed on their brakes,
stared, and were sure they saw something. But by the time they tried to make sense of
it, the figures were gone, as if they had never been there at all.
The stories lingered in the air, each one adding to the growing sense of unease.
No one could shake the feeling that something deeply wrong had happened to Joseph.
Something that went beyond the ordinary.
But then, just as the conversation seemed to be spiraling into pure fear, it all began to circle back
to Jake.
He was at the center of it all.
Everyone's suspicions, everyone's doubts.
Was he guilty?
Had he done something terrible?
Or was he just another victim, caught in the web of everyone else's paranoia and fear?
What did Jake know?
What do you think he's hiding pain? Izhygök.
So the base word of Izhygök is izhi, which means eyes.
Many of these weirdo creatures or creepy things, they're always like alone. That kind of influences me in a way to think that being alone is wrong.
You can't survive by yourself.
Here's Alice Kinnick Glenn, an Alaska native who could tell me more about these
mythical creatures and the stories told by their ancestors for generations.
Inupiaq people have lived in our area for thousands of years.
We have a long history of oral, traditional storytelling.
In the past, we didn't have written language.
The way that we passed down information and lessons was through storytelling.
A lot of us younger folks grew up with our elders sharing stories.
Some of them are wild, some of them are like unbelievable,
but much of it has these intrinsic lessons weaved through each story.
You know, most of our Inuit legends were present more in the past prior to Western contact, because with contact brought religion.
Suppressed a lot of our stories, our dances, our spirituality in that way.
We don't hear them as much because of religious influence.
They're not gone.
They're still there, but you have to dig a little bit harder to find them.
All of these stories still have specific influence and really shapes who we are and the way that
we live and interact with one another in the Arctic.
And I never discount any story as being 100% untrue because there are always lessons to
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We've got locals talking about portals, UFOs,
referencing the mythical creatures in Alaska
native folklore as to what may have happened to them.
Small towns always have stories.
But when someone goes missing and the explanations get this wild, we have to ask, why are so
many people in this town more focused on otherworldly rumors than on finding Joseph.
Or is it that only certain people are because Joseph's family and myself are not?
I don't try to add to rumors.
My job 99 percent of the time is to listen.
I sit across from people microphone in hand headphones on and I just try to simply listen to what they have to say.
And having done this podcast since 2016, well, that's a while ago.
I'd like to say I've learned a few things because I can't arrest anybody
because I can get all the evidence one would ever need and present it in a silver platter to whichever authority it is.
I can't make them do anything, but what I can do is share the truth from the people
who care and expose the lies for everyone to hear.
Jake's whereabouts on Saturday are still a mystery.
Well, sorta.
My new special friend delivered me a message that in my opinion blows this case wide open.
It's the truth for after right?
Not rumor. What does it take to look into this case again?
Maybe something like physical proof
During the day on Saturday June 25th, I went bridge jumping
But Jake was not there.
Later that Saturday night, I went to a party at a camp outside Nome.
The party was late.
It probably started around 10 or 11 p.m. and went until 4 or 5 in the morning.
It was some sort of wedding celebration or something, and there were a lot of people
there. Jake was at this party. I know that for certain, because I talked to him, face
to face, for over 30 minutes. Just me and him. I was having a drink, standing by a keg
at the party, and that's when Jake first approached me.
We talked for a while.
Then eventually, we walked off on our own.
It's a little fuzzy because I had been drinking,
but I remember we had a very long conversation off to the side.
And then, he kissed me.
I was standing by my friend's car, still talking to Jake, and some of my friends came up to
us.
They wanted to go home.
It was pretty late at this point, at least 2 am in the morning.
I left and went home, but Jake stayed at the party. If everyone's
putting pressure on Jake to have an alibi for Saturday night, why didn't he
mention this to anyone? There were so many people at this party. So many
witnesses saw Jake there. It's sketchy that he would lie about this. Tons of witnesses.
And the funny thing is, that summer, I kept a journal, and I wrote down everything I did
every day that entire summer.
Would you like to see that, babe?
But it's not just my journal or the witnesses that prove that Jake was there that night.
I have video proof he was there.
I have a video.
I have a Snapchat video. And in it, you clearly see him.
It even has the date and time stamp on it.
12.38 a.m. in the morning.
That Saturday night.
Why would he lie about this too pain?
Alright, this will be an interview between Andy Clamter and Jake.
Is it Stett and Benz?
Yes sir.
And today's date is the 30th of September.
So can you tell me how well you knew Joseph?
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Your host is Payne Lindsay.
The show is written by Payne Lindsay with additional assistance from Mike Rooney.
Executive producers are Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay.
Lead producer is Mike Rooney along with producers Dylan Harrington and Cooper Skinner.
Editing by Mike Rooney and Cooper Skinner with additional editing by Dylan Harrington.
Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan.
Additional production by Victoria McKenzie, Alice Konick Glenn, and Eric Quintana.
Artwork by Rob Sheridan.
Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set.
Mix and mastered by Cooper Skinner.
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