Up First from NPR - Congressional To-Do List, Trump V. BBC, Ukraine Update

Episode Date: November 15, 2025

Congress returns to further negotiations on health care subsidies and an earlier-than-expected vote on the Epstein files. President Trump is threatening to sue the BBC over an edit of his speech on January 6, 2021. Russian attacks and a major new corruption probe are the latest developments from Kyiv.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Blistering Russian attacks on Ukraine target Keev. A specially calculated attack to cause as much harm as possible to people and civilians, says Volodymyr Zelensky. I'm Ayesha Roska. And I'm Scott Simon, and this is up first from NPR News. The Russian campaign comes as Zelensky also confronts a corruption scandal in the capital. We have details. Also, President Trump targets the British Broadcasting Corporation.

We'll look at what's at issue. And House lawmakers may vote to release the government's Epstein files as soon as this coming week, where the story goes from there in this podcast. So please stay with us. We've got the news you need to start your weekend. First up, a really new. reopened federal government after a Capitol Hill showdown resulting in a 43-day shutdown. Central to that showdown were the expiring health care subsidies causing sticker shock to Affordable Care Act enrollees across the country.

But the deal that ended the shutdown didn't address those subsidies, and Congress is staring down that impasse and more divisive issues, including the Epstein files. And peer congressional correspondent, Deirdre Walt, joins us. Deirdre, thanks so much for being with us. Thanks, Scott. House came in and voted for one day after they'd been gone for more than 50. But Speaker, Mike Johnson, says they're coming back full force. What does that mean? Well, the speaker says they're going to be long days and long nights ahead. The big thing they have to deal with is the rest of the spending bills to fund federal agencies since the bill the president signed this week was just a stopgap measure. Congress faces another deadline at the end of January to fund federal agencies or we could be looking at another shutdown. So Congress hasn't shown an ability to pass many year-long funding bills so we could see another stopgap bill at the end of January. Of course, Republicans promised to vote on health care by mid-December.

What exactly are they going to vote on? Well, it's worth noting that Senate Republicans promised this vote. There were some informal bipartisan talks in the Senate during the shutdown about how to deal with these Affordable Care Act tax credits that are expiring at the end of this year. One framework this Senate group is talking about would potentially extend these credits for one year and then phase in some reforms, maybe limit who's eligible for the tax credits, put in some provisions to crack down on waste, fraud, and abuse. I talked to New Hampshire Senator Gene Sheen earlier this week. She is a Democrat who's helping lead these negotiations. She wants a bipartisan bill that president will sign. She says she supports some of the changes that Republicans want in these tax credits.

For example, a cap on income and who can benefit from the premium tax credits. I mean, that's legitimate. Bipartisanship in the Senate's one thing, but the politics for House Republicans certainly are different. Is Speaker Johnson planning a vote on health care? Well, he certainly faces pressure from some of his swing district Republicans who want some kind of extension, maybe one year on these tax credits. But the vast majority of House conservatives campaigned to get. get rid of the Affordable Care Act and they don't want to help extend any part of it. Speaker Johnson is blaming Democrats for the rising costs of health care.

He says when they put the system into place, he claims that House Republicans has what he says, volumes of ideas on reducing costs, but we haven't seen any actual details. And based on what he said this week, he doesn't sound like this is something the House is going to move quickly on. The Republicans would demand a lot of reforms before anything like that was ever possible. and we have to go through that deliberative process. And, of course, the Speaker has other things to deal with. Preeminently right now, a vote to force the release of documents in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

How do we expect that to play out? Right. This issue was forced on the Speaker, and we expected a vote in the House in early December. But with increasing calls from Republicans to get these files out, the Speaker decided to move that up, and there's going to be a vote this week. The politics on this are really bad for the Speaker and the Republican Party. the White House, the party's divided, and this bill is even picking up more and more Republican votes each day, even as top Trump officials were pressuring Republican lawmakers to even block a bill from coming up in the House. The Speaker argues the House Oversight Committee has already been investigating Epstein. And we should say that the documents the committee released

are from the Epstein estate. The legislation on the floor this week is requiring the release of the Justice Department's files. We expect this bill to pass easily. The big question is how big of a vote will it get in the House? And is that going to put pressure on Senate Majority Leader John Thune to take up this issue? And Fier's Dieter Walsh. Thanks so much. Thank you. Now Trump v. the BBC. President Trump says he will sue the British broadcaster for up to $5 billion, even after a formal apology for a misleading

edit of the speech he gave on January 6th. The dispute is already printed the resignation of two top executives at the BBC, including its head of news. Villam-Marx has been following this story. joins us now from London. Villam, thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me on. What exactly did the BBC admit to? Well, they acknowledge that during a documentary broadcast as part of its flagship panorama series, that January 6th speech by President Trump was edited in a way that it spliced together remarks made nearly an hour apart. That created the impression he made a continuous call to fight like hell and march to the Capitol. In a statement the BBC said that it accepted that the edit, quote,

unintentionally created the impression that we were showing a single continuous section of the speech. And they acknowledged this gave the mistaken impression that President Trump had made a direct call for violent action. The documentary was broadcast a short time ahead of the U.S. 2024 presidential election. And the chairman of the board of the BBC governor, Samir Shah, said it would not be broadcast again. And what was President Trump's response? Well, in short, he said the apology from the BBC wasn't enough. A week ago, his team had issued an initial threat that demanded a retraction and apology and a financial settlement. In that first letter, his attorney suggested he was willing to file a billion dollar lawsuit.

But last night, Trump told reporters on Air Force One on route to Florida, he and his attorneys would now sue the BBC for anywhere between $1 billion and $5 billion sometime next week. The broadcaster had, he said, admitted that they cheated and, quote, change the words coming out of my mouth. Trump also said the UK government, in the form of Prime Minister Keir Starma, was embarrassed by what had happened, and he planned to call Starma over the weekend. Now, the BBC says it doesn't believe there's a legal basis for defamation. Why? Well, the BBC says that while it sincerely regrets the manner of the edit, and it's refused

so far to offer a financial settlement, legal experts I've been speaking to say that's likely because the documentary in question didn't air extensively in the United States. So if Trump were to file suit in Florida as expected, he'd have to prove Americans watched it and it harmed or damaged his reputation in some way. While here in the UK, though, legal statutes of limitations for defamation, they've already passed. What are the consequences for the BBC so far? Well, the head of news and the Director General, the BBC's top executive, they've both stepped down over the past week. The governments felt forced to back the BBC in Parliament with the UK's culture minister, a woman called Lisa Nandy, defending the broadcaster at a time of political polarisation and widespread misinformation.

It is by far the most widely used and trusted source of news in the United Kingdom. At a time when the lines are being dangerously blurred between fact and opinion, news and polemic, the BBC stands apart. And listeners and viewers have been expressing their anger at the idea that their money, which funds the BBC through what's known as a licence fee, could be used to pay a settlement or indeed legal damages to a foreign leader. I spoke to Stuart Purvis, who previously ran ITN. It's the major commercial news broadcaster in Britain, and it's thus the BBC's main rival on TV,

and he told me this criticism of the BBC was unprecedented. The BBC has faced many complaints over the years, which have gone to court. Sometimes it's settled, sometimes it hasn't and is lost. but there's absolutely nothing compared with the scale, either in monetary terms by President Trump or indeed the publicity is getting. Now, there are other pressures the BBC is facing for sure, Scott, in particular around its coverage of the war in Gaza, but this is by far the biggest challenge it faces right now.

Journalist Villan Marx in London. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. spread blackouts in Ukraine as Russia strikes the country's energy system and its capital Keeve. Keeve and the Ukrainian energy sector are also dealing with what could be the most harmful corruption probe in the five years Volodymyr Zelensky has been president. Ukraine's independent anti-corruption agencies say that associates close to Zelensky plotted to skim some $100 billion from the country's nuclear energy producer. And whereas Joanna Kikisosz joins us now from Kiev.

Joanna, thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me on the show, Scott. And please tell us what's going on on this investigation. So, Scott, this investigation was conducted by two agencies that monitor the Ukrainian state for Graf. They're the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine and the Special Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office. And this probe is extensive. It took 15 months, used about 1,000 iris of wiretaps. There were seven alleged participants, including Timmer Mindich.

He's a close business associate of Zelensky's. Investigators say this group manipulated contracts at Enerho Atom, which is Ukraine's state nuclear energy company, and they got kickbacks laundering roughly $100 million, like you mentioned earlier. The scandal has forced the resignation of two ministers in Zelensky's government so far, but Zelensky has not been implicated in this probe, and he is calling for the prosecution of those accused of committing crimes. And Joanna, what do you hear from Ukrainians? Well, Scott, we've spoken to several Ukrainians in Kiev about this corruption probe, and they have. are enraged, for lack of a better word. Alexandra Pekidko, she's 28 and works in marketing, and she told us this scandal is especially galling as Ukraine struggles to protect its power plants from constant Russian attacks.

It hits very hard when Ukrainians are sitting here without electricity and that our energy workers are working hard to restore it. When corruption happens on such a large scale, I have have a very negative reaction. And it's also very painful because I love Ukraine very much. She told us that Ukraine must be united as it continues to defend itself from Russia and that it's painful to consider not trusting Zelensky right now. Has corruption been an issue in Ukraine? Yeah. Corruption used to be a big problem here, especially on the government level. But in the last decade, Ukraine has made great strides in improving transparency and accountability and appointing these independent agencies that investigate corruption. The European Union is considering Ukraine's

membership right now, partly because of all this progress in fighting corruption. So Ukrainians want to make sure there is no backsliding. We spoke with Mikhail Okach. He's an investigative journalist at Ukrainska Pravda, a prominent news outlet here. He reports on corruption, and he points out that there were mass protests this summer when Parliament and Zelensky tried to take away the independence of Ukraine's anti-corruption agencies and bring them under a prosecutor general appointed by Zelensky. Kach is saying if they had managed to destroy this independence and the current investigation might not have happened because how independent can a prosecutor general appointed by the

president's office be. Now, Scott, Ukrainians also associate corruption with Russia. Activists have told me that Russia used to use corrupted Ukrainian politicians in the past. to control Ukraine. And Scott, I should also say that Ukrainians say corruption during war time is something like murder, that soldiers die if resources that could go to the front line or stolen. And of course, the war rages on. What's the latest from the front lines? Well, Ukrainian troops are in a very difficult battle right now to defend Pukovsk, a city in eastern Ukraine. Russian troops have been trying to occupy the city for nearly two years and have now infiltrated it.

We spoke by phone to soldiers in four brigades defending Pokrovs, including Volodymy of the 7th Rapid Response Corps. The brigades are really exhausted. The enemy has changed its tactic. We have the infiltration of infantry groups, and they are covered by the swarms of drone. Another soldier we talked to describe looking up at the sky and seeing so many drones that they are literally crashing into each. each other. Soldiers are saying we need more resources to hold on. And if you're Joanna could kiss us in Kiev, thanks so much. You're welcome. And that's up first for November 15th, 2025. I'm Aisha Roscoe. And I'm Scott Simon. Elena Tworick produced today's podcast with Fernando

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