Up First from NPR - Iran Intelligence, NATO Summit, Trump Judicial Nod

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

New intelligence suggests U.S. strikes only set Iran's nuclear back by months, contrary to claims by President Trump, the President meets today with NATO members, and the nomination of a current Justice Department official to an appellate judgeship is drawing fresh attention to controversies inside the department.Want more comprehensive analysis of the most important news of the day, plus a little fun? Subscribe to the Up First newsletter.Today's episode of Up First was edited by Kevin Drew, Andrew Sussman, Anna Yukhananov, Janaya Williams and Alice Woelfle. It was produced by Ziad Buchh, Nia Dumas and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Zac Coleman. And our technical director is Carleigh Strange.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

New intelligence says U.S. airstrikes caused only limited damage to nuclear facilities in Iran. So what happened to Iran's supply of highly enriched uranium and was the nuclear program, as the president said, obliterated or just set back by months? I'm Michelle Martin with A Martinez and this is Up First from NPR News. President Trump is meeting today with NATO members ready to enact one of his chief priorities, a pledge to increase how much they spend on their own defense. What else is on the agenda? And a Justice Department official is in line to become a federal appeals court judge, but

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he's pushing back hard against anyone who disagrees. But some U.S. national security sources are suggesting something different. For more, we're joined by NPR's Greg Meyery. So Greg, President Trump's position is pretty clear. Iran's nuclear program was, quote, completely obliterated. So who's saying otherwise? Yeah, a U.S. official speaking on condition of anonymity tells our NPR colleague Tom Bowman that the Defense Intelligence Agency believes the damage was limited at Iran's most important

nuclear site, Fordow. The official says Iran's program has probably been set back by just a few months or so. Now, the Defense Intelligence Agency is part of the Pentagon. This is a preliminary assessment. It's considered low confidence at this point. And the DIA doesn't speak for the entire intelligence community. Other intelligence agencies like the CIA are not commenting, but they're also gathering information. There will be multiple assessments that could change and evolve over time.

Alright, so what's the White House saying? Yeah, the White House is not happy about this. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt said, quote, this alleged assessment is flat-out wrong. But she then went on to say that the report was leaked by someone in the intelligence community, so she seems to be confirming the existence of the report. Now Trump repeated his position today at the NATO summit in the Netherlands. I believe it was total obliteration. I believe they didn't have a chance to get anything out because we acted fast. If it would have taken two weeks maybe, but it's very hard to remove that kind of material. We should also note that the

ceasefire in Israel and Iran both seem to be holding now for a second day. Now if we can get clarity on these key nuclear sites bombed by the US would that settle the all-important questions about the state of Iran's nuclear program? Well not entirely. You know these are the three most important sites, Fordow, by the US, would that settle the all important questions about the state of Iran's nuclear program? Well, not entirely. These are the three most important sites, Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan. They're about 100 to 300 miles south of the capital Tehran. But Iran's nuclear network has many parts.

Israel bombed many of them before the US struck over the weekend. There's no doubt that every piece of Iran's known nuclear program was targeted and apparently suffered at least some damage, but there are still questions. For example, the UN's nuclear watchdog agency, the International Atomic Energy Agency, recently said Iran has about 900 pounds of highly enriched uranium. Now this would need to be enriched a little bit more, but it could be used to make multiple bombs. This material could be moved fairly easily and the Iranians may have hidden it before the US and Israeli attacks.

Here's Virginia Senator Mark Warner, the ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, addressing this yesterday on NPR's All Things Considered. You could literally move that in about 10 carloads. I have not seen any indication that we know where all of that is at this moment in time. All right, so what are Iran and Israel saying about the nuclear program? Yeah, Iran has not made any pledges to shut down the nuclear program and reports in the Iranian media site officials saying the country will press ahead. Iran will have to make its own damage assessments and figure out the costs and risk of restarting the program. And Israel has not publicly offered a detailed assessment, but Iran's nuclear program

was target number one. I'll add the US and Israel share a lot of intelligence when it comes to Iran. They'll develop a strong sense of where the program is headed, but that's likely to take time. All right, that's NPR's Greg Meyre. Greg, thanks. Sure thing. President Trump will meet with NATO allies today at the summit in The Hague in the Netherlands. The leaders are expected to announce a large increase in spending to counter possible future threats from Russia and China

New NATO secretary-general Mark Rutte who's hosting his first summit is doing his best to make it controversy-free But President Trump made ways before he even got there. Let's go to NPR's Eleanor Beardsley who's in the Hague So Eleanor bring us up to speed here. Well, President Trump arrived last night He attended the lavish dinner with NATO allies and the King and Queen of the Netherlands, and he spent the night in the Royal Palace. And he just spoke to the media, eh? He did sort of what he calls his weave. He talked about many things.

And here he is after he was asked what he would say to Ukraine's President Zelensky when they meet today. No, we'll discuss the obvious. We'll discuss his difficulties. He's got a little difficulty. Zelensky, the nice guy. I mean, I'm going to meet. He's got a little difficulty. Zelensky, the nice guy. I mean, I'm going to meet him today.

I don't know. I assume we're going to be discussing Ukraine. Yeah. It seems like it looks like it. Can you restart from upstairs or anything that you might do? Well, we'll see. I mean, I've spoken to Putin a lot, and he actually was very nice.

He volunteered help on, as you know, on Iran. I said, no, I don't need help on Iran. I need help on Russia. Well, now President Trump will join the summit and they will talk about Russia and the possible threat it poses to NATO countries in the future. So tell us about that. I mean, what will leaders announce today?

There's going to be a quantum leap in spending. That's how NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte put it. They're going to go from 2% of GDP now to a whopping 5% of GDP. And here's what Rutte said this morning. I believe this will be a transformational summit, given the threat from the Russians, given the international security situation. There is no alternative. So will this summit come off with no clashes or controversy and tell us what's already happened actually

Well a root of her months has been getting ready for the summit. It's in his hometown of the Hague He wants to avoid all these disagreements and mishaps. We've seen in the past with President Trump even visited President Trump in Mar-a-Lago He's been criticized for being too accommodating to him And then yesterday he sent Trump a personal message that Trump received when he was in his plane and promptly republished on social media and it went something like this. He said, you're flying into another big success. You've done what no American president has. And he also said, congratulations and thank you for your decisive action in Iran.

He called it extraordinary. That was seen as a bit embarrassing for Ruta. But Alexander de Hupscheffer, the head of the policy think tank, the German Marshall Fund of the United States, says Ruta is just doing his job. The role of the NATO secretary general is a balancing role. It's to balance US and European strategic interests and priorities. She says that Ruta is keeping the US engaged in Europe and with European security and defense and that's what's important.

So speaking of defense, President Trump also brought in a doubt whether the US would respect Article 5. Tell us what that is and why that's important. Well that's the core principle of mutual defense, you know, coming to each other's aid in case of attack and it's actually only been used once and that was after 9-11 when everyone came to the US's aid in case of attack. And it's actually only been used once, and that was after 9-11 when everyone came to the U.S.' aid after the terrorist attack. On the plane, over a reporter asked him if he would commit to this, and he said, well, it depends.

Article 5 can mean a lot of things. But Ruta just brushed that off this morning and said, of course the U.S. committed, it's here. And Ruta was chosen because he's someone who has a relationship with Trump. He knows him well. And I would say there is so far a sense of solidarity here and also a sense among European leaders that they do have to take responsibility for their defense. And this is partly due to the pressure that President Trump has put on NATO.

All right. That's NPR's Eleanor Beardsley. Thanks a lot. Thank you, A. A top official at the Justice Department will be making his way to Capitol Hill today for a confirmation hearing. He is in line to become a federal appeals court judge, a job that carries a lifetime appointment. The nomination is drawing fresh attention to some highly controversial activities inside

the Justice Department this year in which this nominee played a key role. MPR justice correspondent Kerry Johnson is here to tell us all about this person. So who is this nominee Kerry and what's his background? His name is Amal Bove. He spent years as a federal prosecutor in Manhattan but he came to national attention when he helped defend Donald Trump in four different criminal cases over the past few years. Since January Bove has been in charge of day-to-day operations inside the Justice Department. And what kind of things has Boves done at the Department of Justice? A lot.

President Trump promised to overhaul the Justice Department. Boves has been one of the people spearheading that campaign. This year, he ordered up a list of FBI agents and analysts who worked on January 6th Capitol riot cases. He also directed prosecutors in New York to drop the corruption case against New York Mayor Eric Adams, but those prosecutors refused in part because it looked to them like an unlawful quid pro quo where the mayor would help President Trump with immigration and in exchange the criminal case against the mayor would go into hibernation. That case was eventually dropped. Adams has denied the charges.

Several former prosecutors say Bovet is more about loyalty to Trump than to the facts and the law. Greg Nunziata was also critical. He's a former Senate aide who helped confirm conservative judges. Here's what he says. He's been the president's lead enforcer and has been deeply involved in the politicization and corruption of the Justice Department. And that kind of background makes him very ill-suited for a lifetime federal judgeship.

Who is supporting Boves' nomination? Well, the White House says Boves a talented legal mind and a staunch defender of the Constitution. They say Boves should be a quote shoe in for this job as a federal judge. Mike Fragoso helped confirm judges when he worked for Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. Fragoso also offered praise for Boves credentials last week. And I think he's been doing important work during the current administration to try to move a number of controversial

but conservative policies over the finish line, which requires some pretty creative thinking on the part of the Justice Department. So I think he's, everything I've seen makes me think he's gonna be a really good judge. So he mentions controversial but conservative policies, which probably makes some people wonder about the president's immigration agenda. So how might that come up at the hearing today? The president's been pushing for more deportations and for them to happen more quickly. Just yesterday a former DOJ lawyer came forward with a whistleblower

complaint. That lawyer was fired after he told a judge that a migrant had been deported in error this year. The whistleblower says shortly before Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act to speed up deportations, Emil Bové said those planes carrying migrants needed to take off no matter what. The whistleblower then described Bové saying they may need to consider telling judges, bleep you, and ignore possible court orders. The Justice Department has said no one told people to ignore court orders, but Senate Democrats plan to bring up the issue today and to argue it disqualifies Beauvais from serving as a judge. That's NPR's Keri Johnson. Keri, thanks. Thanks. And finally today, an update on the mayor's race in the country's largest

city. Former New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo conceded to 33 year old state assembly member Zoran Mamdani in the Democratic primary. Here's Mamdani speaking to his supporters after the concession. A life of dignity should not be reserved for a fortunate few. It should be one that city government guarantees for each and every New Yorker. Mondani is a democratic socialist and he ran a largely grassroots campaign focused on reducing the cost of living for New Yorkers. He'll face current New York City Mayor Eric Adams, who's running as an independent, and Republican candidate Curtis Sliwa in November's election. Now Cuomo

hasn't ruled out running in the general election either as an independent. If Mondani is elected, he will be New York City's first Muslim and first Indian American mayor. And that's a first for Wednesday, June 25th. Ami Martinez. And I'm Michelle Martin. You can listen to this podcast sponsor free while financially supporting public media with Up First Plus. Learn more at plus dot npr dot org. That's plus dot npr dot org. Today's episode of Up First was edited by Kevin Drew,

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