Up First from NPR - Supreme Court Blocks Deportations; Imprisonment in El Salvador; US-Iran Nuclear Talks

Episode Date: April 19, 2025

The Supreme Court has temporarily blocked the Trump administration from deporting a group of Venezuelans. Also, President Trump this week raised the possibility of sending US citizens convicted of crimes to prison in El Salvador. And we'll hear the latest on the second round of nuclear talks between the US and Iran.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

The Supreme Court has temporarily blocked the Trump administration from deporting a group of Venezuelans. The administration accuses the men of being gang members. I'm Scott Simon. I'm Ayesha Roscoe and this is Up First from NPR News. The overnight Supreme Court ruling came as the Trump administration was preparing to deport the men being held in Texas under a rarely used wartime act. We'll have the latest. This week, President Trump also raised the possibility of sending U.S. citizens convicted

of crimes to prison in El Salvador. But does he have the authority to follow through? And the U.S. and Iran are today holding a second round of talks to discuss Tehran's nuclear program. So stay with us. We have the news you need to start your weekend. The Supreme Court's late night order to stop the deportation of the Venezuelan men followed an emergency appeal from the American Civil Liberties Union. The court took issue with the Trump administration's use of the Alien Enemies Act. We're joined now by NPR's Jimena Bastillo.

Jimena, thanks for being with us. Good morning. What's the order say? Well, in a brief order issued after midnight Eastern time, justices wrote that the government is directed to not remove any member of the, quote, putative class of detainees from the United States until further order from the court. These would be some of the Venezuelan migrants being held at the Blue Bonnet facility in Texas. Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito dissented. And what spurred this order? Well, earlier, the Supreme Court had decided that the administration could continue deporting

under the act. This was a few weeks ago. But only if detainees were given due process to challenge their removal under the Alien Enemies Act. The American Civil Liberties Union Friday afternoon filed multiple documents in court that showed immigration authorities were moving quickly to restart removals under the Alien Enemies Act despite the previous Supreme Court's request for that due process. Here's Lee Gillern, one of the lawyers from the ACLU who spoke with my colleague Jasmine

Garst. The government has now given them no notice, given them forms in English that doesn't explain to them how to contest their removal. He said people got less than a day to contest their removal. So the ACLU filed for a request to have the courts pause the deportations at the DC District Court. Judge James Boasberg denied that request because he said he did not believe he had jurisdiction. That prompted the immediate appeal from the ACLU and then the later decision from the

Supreme Court. And a minute please remind us what the Supreme Court said when the issue was first brought to them. The Alien Enemies Act is a rarely used presidential power that Trump invoked last month, right? And it has only been previously used in times of active war, the last time being World War II. Immigrant rights groups originally sued the administration

over the use of the act when over 100 people were put on flights and sent to El Salvador where they're now in a mega prison. Lawyers say that this resulted in mass confusions. Attorneys, even those on behalf of the government, arrived at hearings where clients were missing and then family members learned that their loved ones were sent to El Salvador and that prison specifically because of social media posts from both the US government and the Salvadoran government. The Trump administration alleges that all people they flew there

are members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua under the Alien Enemies Act but the lawyers say that many are not and they never got the opportunity to fight the deportations and allegations in court. During a previous use of the act, lawyers argue that those being removed during World War II still had hearing boards to make their cases. How does the government's latest attempt to remove people using that Alien Enemies Act line up with the Supreme Court had previously ordered. The Justice Department argued that notices comply with previous Supreme Court's guidance on the

issue and I reached out to the Homeland Security Department last night and they declined to comment on quote counter-terrorism operations but they did say that they believe they are complying with the Supreme Court's original ruling. Still the ACLU argues that they're not. They have since been suing the administration in each individual district court since that first ruling, and judges in several districts have blocked the deportations of people using the Alien Enemies Act. The ACLU alleges that in recent days, many Venezuelan migrants were specifically brought

to that Blue Bonnet facility, because it is a facility in a court district where deportations have not yet been blocked. The government denies that this is their strategy. Emena Bustiyo, thanks so much. Thank you. The Trump administration has already deported more than 250 migrants to El Salvador.

But now President Trump says he's exploring options to have US citizens who are convicted of crimes incarcerated in the Central American country. That suggestion has been condemned by legal experts as akin to dropping citizens into a black box. And Pierce criminal justice reporter Meg Anderson joins us. Meg, thanks for being with us. Thank you for having me. We know that hundreds of immigrants have already been sent to El Salvador. What kind of conditions do they face there?

Yeah, so the mega prison that they were sent to is known as CICOT and it is notorious. Human rights groups have reported torture and medical neglect in that prison and other Salvadoran prisons and say inmates are often denied due process and even contact with family and lawyers. Michelle Deitch, director of the prison and jail innovation lab at the University of Texas at Austin, put that situation in perspective for me. It would be an absolutely Kafkaesque situation where the family has no idea where the person is, what kind of conditions they're being held in, whether they're even alive.

And I should mention, US courts have said that the people taken to El Salvador got limited or no due process before they were sent there, something they are legally entitled to. And now that they're in El Salvador, the administration is saying they no longer have control over what happens to them. Pete And what does that mean for those people? Lauren Well, it means that they're being deprived of protections that they would have had if they had been held in the United States. The government here has a duty by law to care for people in its custody. US prisonsS. prisons and immigration detention centers

are far from perfect, to be sure, but there are still layers of oversight. The federal government monitors and inspects its prisons and detention centers. People in custody have the right to pursue legal action if they allege abuse or neglect, and judges can intervene when laws are violated. Lincoln-Lexworth I spoke, said it's extremely hard, if not impossible, to see how any of that could happen once people are in a Salvadoran prison. And Meg, we also know that President Trump

and Attorney General Bondi are exploring the idea of sending what they call homegrown criminals abroad. Would their situation be any different? So the Trump administration has clarified that, quote, homegrown criminals abroad. Would their situation be any different? So the Trump administration has clarified that quote homegrowns in this case means US citizens. And I should note that legal experts say there is absolutely no US law that would give Trump the ability to send US citizens to foreign prisons. But if someone in the US is convicted of a crime, their constitutional rights, like

the right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment, should, in theory, still apply no matter where they're sent. That's according to Lauren Brooke-Ison, she's the senior director at the Brennan Center for Justice. But she says, The worry is that once someone is sent outside of the jurisdiction of the United States, it becomes much more difficult to protect and enforce their constitutional rights. And what does the federal government say about all this? So I reached out to both the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security for this story. In a statement, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia

McLaughlin said the immigrants sent to El Salvador are, quote, terrorists, that they had final deportation orders and that there was due process, but she did not provide any evidence for those assertions. The DOJ, for its part, did not respond to questions about outsourcing US prisoners abroad. did not respond to questions about outsourcing U.S. prisoners abroad. NPR's Meg Anderson, thanks so much. You're welcome. The U.S. and Iran are holding a fresh round of nuclear talks in Rome today. President Trump says the goal is to prevent Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon, and he insists that reaching a deal will be, quote, easy.

So will it? Join now by NPR's international affairs correspondent, Jackie Northam. Jackie, thanks for being with us. Good morning, Scott. And what's the latest? Well, as you said, this is the second meeting between the US and Iran. Last week, the two sides met in Oman for what was considered a groundbreaking meeting in some ways.

It's been years since the two sides head held direct talks. But essentially that one was a formality really to get the ball rolling. Today Trump's Middle East envoy, Steve Wittkopf sits down with Iranian foreign minister Abbas Arachi to get more to the meat of the issue. But you know, over the past few days, Wittkopf has been putting out seemingly contradictory statements. He first said that Iran could enrich uranium to low-grade level to produce energy. Then he turned around and said Iran must stop and eliminate its nuclear enrichment.

And you know, that would be a non-starter for Iran, which insists on its right to enrich uranium for civilian use. You know, in its first term in 2018, Trump pulled the US out of a previous nuclear accord negotiated by President Obama and it's known as the JCPOA and it prevented Iran from producing highly enriched uranium which can be used to make bombs in return for an easing of sanctions and Trump called it the worst deal in history. So he'll presumably be hoping to squeeze more concessions out of Iran this time. These talks come after President Trump appeared to confirm or report the New York Times that he'd held off a potential Israeli

military strike against Iran's nuclear installations. How's that played into this round of talks? Well, Trump said Thursday that he still supports a negotiated deal with Iran over his nuclear program but he also noted that failure to reach an agreement would be, in his words, very bad for Iran. And you know, that came when he was asked about a report that claimed he had waved off an Israeli plan to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. This is what he said. I wouldn't say waved off.

I'm not in a rush to do it because I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country and to live happily without death. And you know, according to that report, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had laid out the plan to attack Iran's nuclear facilities when he visited the White House recently. And that was when Trump publicly announced that his envoy would be holding direct talks with Iran for the first time in more than a decade and NPR has not been able to independently verify that reporting, I have to add. What does Iran hope to get out of these talks? Well basically Iran is not in a position of strength right now. Since the start of the Gaza war 18 months ago, Israel has decimated Iran's main proxies

Hezbollah and Hamas, and it took out key Iranian air defenses when the two countries traded missile fire last year for the first time ever. And since Trump has returned to office, the U.S. has been carrying out frequent strikes on the Houthis, which are also aligned with Iran. And the Houthi leadership said that more than 70 people were killed in a U.S. airstrike on a port in Yemen earlier this week. Analysts I've spoken to expect Iran to try to drag out these talks for as long as possible without making any real concessions since they are negotiating from a position of weakness. But President Trump has made clear the clock is ticking and one source

familiar with the ongoing situation with Iran and Israel, who wanted to remain anonymous because he was not authorized to talk to the media, he tells my colleague Tom Bowman that there's a 50-50 chance Israel will hit Iran and that that likelihood increases the longer negotiations are drawn out. And Paris Jackie Northam, thanks so much for being with us. Thank you you Scott. And that's Up First for Saturday, April 19, 2025. I'm Scott Simon. And I'm Ayesha Roscoe. Hold up, hold up, wait, wait. If you're pleased, we got one more thing for you today. Here at Up First, we take keeping you informed seriously. Meanwhile, our friends at NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me take

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