Upgrade - 112: What I've Got Going for Me is Apple

Episode Date: October 24, 2016

With Apple’s next event just around the corner, Myke and Jason make their picks for what we’ll see. The winner will be crowned Upgrade Draft Champion for 2016. Either way, we’re both excited about the prospect of new Macs.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode 112 today's show is brought to you by text expander from smile and pearl revision my name is mike hurley and i am joined by the one and only mr jason snell hi mike how are you doing i'm very well mr snell how are you good i i by the one and only Mr. Jason Snell. Hi Mike, how are you doing? I'm very well, Mr. Snell. How are you? Good. By the way, episode 112 not available in binary. That's a shame. I want to make that clear.

We're out of the binary zone now. We are out of the binary zone. I'm very excited today, actually. Why is that? Because a little later on in today's episode we are going to be drafting the october mac event because it has been announced in between last week's show and this week's show there will be an event as uh jason predicted jason was right uh hello again over the 27th um so we should also maybe give a little programming note.

So this show is this show. We're not going to be recording an episode of Upgrade after the event. We will be recording an episode of Connected after the event. And then me and Jason will be together in person next week. And we will be in all, in Kalani and Island, and we'll record an episode talking about our thoughts and feelings over the Mac event. And who knows what else? But yes, you can look forward to it.

Yeah, probably the quarterly results too, because the quarterly results come out this week as well. They do. We're going to have a busy episode next week. There's a lot going on, but we'll be busy in person, which will be a nice change. But we have a draft later on in the show, which I'm very excited about, as always.

There was a press release this morning as a part follow-up. The Nike Apple Watch, the Nike Plus Apple Watch, is going to be released on October 28th. So I have two feelings about this, Jason. That suggests other products will be out on October 28th, maybe AirPods. mm-hmm that suggests other products will be out on october 28th maybe airpods but yep the other is they don't have time to say this on stage on thursday i think that you're right and that's interesting to me because it doesn't feel like there's just for what we expect it doesn't really

feel like there's a lot for like an hour even right so why would they not have kind of run over this and said and it's out tomorrow i guess we'll see my other take on it would be that it's off topic that that this is not my gut feeling is this is not going to be one of those events where they walk through every app apple product in the product line right now let's give you an update about the apple watch i guess guess they could, right? They could do a slide that says, hey, and the Nike Watch comes out tomorrow. I guess they could do that. And they may do some of that,

but they may have decided for that reason that it's like, you know, let's cut that part. We don't need that part in there. It's also possible that this is a, because this is a joint product, it's Apple and Nike, that there's something else going on here where you know nike wants to push this out sooner and do their own pr around it and that's why they did it on the early side that's also a possibility yep but it's uh it's interesting for

apple to do a press release in this way if you want want to pick Nike Apple Watch mentioned on stage in the draft, you're welcome to do that. I'm playing to win, Snow. Okay, good. All right. I'd expect nothing less of you. A piece of breaking news

before we record it today coming from Recode. The New York Times has bought the Wirecutter for more than $30 million. Yeah. It's great. I like the site a lot brian lamb founded it and my understanding is uh largely funded it himself and built this business so

cha-ching mr lamb i guess yeah i hope so i mean i think he deserves it and they've built a very interesting business and it's funny you know i don't know how i don't know if it's profitable or not but i think one of the one of the things about wire cutter is they've built a very interesting business. And it's funny, you know, I don't know how, I don't know if it's profitable or not, but I think one of the, one of the things about Wirecutter is they've been building a process. They've been building a format. They've been, and having written, I've written two pieces for them, I guess, two projects I did for them. from the outside, but with the history of being an editor on the inside of a publication, I could see them struggling in a good way, I would say, but struggling with how does this work? Like they didn't want to fall back. They're building a new format and they're building a new process and they're trying to find the most efficient way of doing all of that. How do you build something? And reviews are very complicated and they want to be consistent. And, you know, they're trying to build something that is essentially the 21st century version of Consumer Reports. How do you do that?

And they've got a dispersed staff that, you know, they're pretty virtual. They've got some offices, but they've got a lot of people who are remote. And, you know, it's, it's, I think that's the thing that the New York Times is buying here, is they're buying the staff and the process and the idea of a digital-only brand. And I've heard people like, oh, great, it's a newspaper buying it. They'll ruin it already. I've heard people say that. And it's like, no, this is a media company trying to invest in some non-newspaper media. Also, they've worked with

a wire cutter for a while now on stories. And I think that was an interesting way for them to see the process close up. And I wish them well with it. I think the wire cutter could be even better than it is now with a little more investment in it, which the New York Times may be able to provide. So I'm going to view this as good news. And it's also a great story just that this is something Brian Lamb wanted to build, and he wanted it to be very specific. He had a vision for it about what he wanted it to be. And $30 million in a world where we've got billion dollar purchases of uh of tech companies it doesn't seem like a lot but for something that was largely self-funded it's a lot of money for a website

yeah for one web for one or two i guess websites and something that doesn't come with you know didn't have many millions of dollars of investment in it yeah i can't imagine there's much if any proprietary technology you're basically buying stuff a process and a brand also congratulations to to recode which uh broke this story and the url for the story misspells brian lamb's name but they seem to have fixed it so congratulations on brian sure brian lan of congratulations kaya water but uh yeah it's a it's a interesting story cool story talking about something that's cool i saw a little video pop my way over the last few days uh which you've made of a game which is sweeping the nation it's called mini metro well more than that too it's it all started you and i both got our first

whiff of this game from an ask upgrade that's where it all started for me is jonathan blevins yes sent us a tweet saying hey have y'all played mini metro hashtag ask upgrade and uh that was the end of our lives i did know about this beforehand and the reason is i've been keeping my eye on this game for a long time it's been a mac and pc game sure and i've wanted to play it for a long time um and then friend of the show john vorhees of mac stories he sent me a link and was like how much time have you put into this game yet i was like oh my god i didn't know it was out and I immediately downloaded it and I think I stayed awake until 1.30

in the morning. It is a game where you are, it's a puzzle game strategy game where you are building out railway lines and it's based on many famous systems, railway systems there is only one worth playing

uh in my opinion which is the london underground tube it's the only map that i've played so far as you can imagine well it's the um the well that's too bad because there's the high speed train you get in osaka um but it's it's But it's all based on the classic sort of London Underground, the influential Harry Beck London Underground map style. It's beautiful. Lots of shapes and lots of colored

lines. The idea is that you're building a commuter system in which you're trying to move the people from station to station. The longer you play, the more stations appear, the more more passengers appear and you have to play for as long as you can until the some what until game over and game over is when a station overloads when you have not got enough infrastructure in place to pick up the waiting passengers there's a countdown timer countdown timer ends and the game is over it is really difficult to explain this game in a way

that makes it sound interesting which is why i have no doubt this is why you made a video about it that's exactly it i thought that this was a perfect kind of game to make a video for i've been i've been i made a video i did an alto's adventure video i think um and i think i did one other one um but i want to do games games are a good subject for this. And I thought that this was a good example of something that you kind of need to see it and understand what it is. And so I made on Friday afternoon, I basically made a made a little video where I, I, I walk you through sort of how it looks and what it sounds like and how the gameplay works and what the some of the underlying strategy is that kind of takes it up to another another level once you start to understand how the gameplay works yeah it is absolutely fantastic cannot recommend it enough uh i'm gonna be spending a lot of time in this game because it feels like one of those games that's just going to be pretty timeless um in the amount you know

the amount that you'll be able to get out of it so uh i recommend going and playing mini metro there'll be some links in the show notes for all of that i agree well well well well worth checking out i got and i got to refresh my memory about how to do keyframes in uh final cut pro so that was good too good to remember that. Because I don't do that a lot with... When I do the Total Party Kill videos, I do a lot of cropping and placement of video files in the larger file, but I don't do sort of movement stuff. It's all just kind of cuts. And with the Mini Metro thing, I wanted some zoom in and pan across things to highlight what I was talking about.

And it took me like 10 minutes to remember how to set keyframes for animation in Final Cut. But Final Cut Pro X, again, I mean, I think we talked about this a while ago. I wrote a piece about it for Six Col um based on my usage for total party kill but i realized that if you're somebody who used the old final cut and you are used to the that metaphor that final cut pro 10 is can be supremely frustrating i get it i get how that's a difficult transition but for people like us mike who are not professional non-linear video editors i look at final cut pro 10 and i am amazed at how easy it is for me to do i i think to myself i wonder if i could do this and like 15 minutes later maybe maybe it's less than that i am generally doing that thing that i was wondering

about just by trying a couple of things sometimes it's's the first thing I try. I'm like, I wonder if I do this, if it does what. Oh, it does. Like, it's amazing. Other than that, like, I'm in the exact same camp where it's like, I think to myself, is this possible for me to do? And then I'm able to go out and do it. But if I spend enough time where I can't work it out,

I can Google it and I will get an answer, which is not the case for all pro applications, right? And nine times out of ten, the article that helps me is an Apple support document, which is also not very common for a lot of even Apple's Pro applications.

I wonder who's working on those. Somebody is working on them and they are very very good. They're very very good. So, go pay Mini Metro, then go learn Final Cut. Just for fun. there you go before we talk about the upcoming mac event there is a mac related rumor jason that i would like to get your opinion on this came out from a few places wall street journal had an article mac rumors had a little follow-up piece um i put the mac rumors link in because if you

are not a subscriber to the Wall Street Journal, then you cannot read their article. So I have not read their article. All I have read is summaries of it. There is some rumors going around that Apple is either A, working with or looking to acquire a company called Sonda, who are making a keyboard with e-ink keys now sonda's ceo is currently denying very specifically worded language that he's met with tim cook um i think one of the quotes was on wednesday the 12th of october 2016 he did not meet with tim cook didn't didn't meet with him that day uh so you know make of that what you will, but my eyebrow always raises when it sounds like people are being so very specific

about the way that they tell the truth, right? It's like a child. It's like, you know, I definitely did not say that one thing. It's like, okay, you're really dancing around this. Nevertheless, sources in the know are confirming to many outlets that Apple is working

to bring the technology that this company makes to their laptops in 2018 and what it is is sunday is making and developing and a keyboard that has e-ink screens individual e-ink screens inside of the keycaps now yep we spoke about this before we spoke about the uh i think it's the optimus prime keyboard that was the the thing that everybody was talking about uh is it optimus prime is something i think that's a transformer it's the optimus max optimus maximus i think optimus maximus there you go or optimus popularis there's it's optimus is the name of the of the the the keyboards that are but from that one company. So everybody was speaking about them when we heard rumors of the touch bar, right?

The function row touch bar. But one of the things that definitely makes sense instead of putting tiny little LCD screens in every key is to put e-ink in the keys because that's probably cheaper, more battery efficient, and I would expect easier to work with. Well, certainly if you're Apple and you have professed to many people how great it is to have software keyboards, because you can do different things with them.

This would be another way to go, which is if you, whatever the technology, if E-ink is the right thing, if it's more like e-paper, which is like an LCD kind of technology that's in the pebble. If it's OLED, whatever the technology is, the cost is an issue there. But the idea, it's not far-fetched at all, I think, to look five or ten years out and say, well, of course, if we still have physical keyboards in five or ten years, they probably won't have the letters engraved on them anymore

because they'll probably be able to change based on context if you switch languages if you toggle from one language to another having your your keyboard change underneath you and you know you won't be able to necessarily change the physical shape of the key but you'll be able to change what those keys mean and i think that's a cool idea i really do i think that i think that's great like we were just talking about final cut how great would it be to open an application like that and not have to learn the keyboard shortcuts because they're displayed on the keyboard right like you don't need to go to a menu and find out what the keyboard shortcut is because you'll just see them in front of you when you open the application i really like that idea um it feels like something that is is logical

like it just seems like it's like why don't we have that already you know like it just seems like that's the way that things should have been when in 2007 apple decided that they were not going to put a physical keyboard on the iphone right for this reason is that you can then make the keys anything right they can do anything is that you can then make the keys anything, right? They can do anything because they're not fixed in position. So this seems like a very logical thing to do. It seems especially logical if we are assuming that the touchscreen function row is happening. If that does happen, which I think is just a given at this point that we will expect that's happening on the MacBook Pro, this seems like a logical next step of even that, right? We've, okay, now some of the keys aren't

fixed. Why don't we do it with all of them? I think that this sounds really interesting. Whether Apple goes with this company, buys this company or whatever, it will be interesting to see. If it is going to be e-ink, I would expect there to be an acquisition in Apple's future because they do not have any public e-ink technology. So I wouldn't be surprised if they acquired someone who could give them that. according to the Wall Street Journal, is backed by Foxconn. So this is one of Apple's suppliers. So it's entirely possible that Apple could do this on the inside or Apple could say, supply us with these keyboards. We're placing an order for millions of these keyboards over time or something like that. What's interesting about the journal story is that it says it will be featured on MacBook laptops, according to people familiar with the plans. And it's unclear what's going on here,

but I, it's possible because you hear about this, this company and you think, is this a way to improve the value of this startup and all of that? It's, and that's possible, but I have a hard time thinking that the Wall Street Journal would go with this story

if they didn't have some feeling from within Apple that this was real. But I guess we'll see. Whether it's Apple acquiring, and I heard somebody say, well, why couldn't they just do this themselves? Why would they acquire? Apple acquires stuff all the time, right?

And this would be the perfect kind of thing where they're like yeah we want to own that and or uses companies to supply their parts for them like that's very normal yeah yeah and presumably apple would do all the software to drive this right but if somebody else has already bitten built these you know built the keycaps built the controller whatever it is then that might be a a way a way in but also apple is not does not have a problem just buying out companies and making them wholly owned uh apple subsidiaries and they get the tech and they get the people and they put them to work on on apple stuff so but regardless of this one company i do think that this is a direction apple wants to go and we've joked before about the inevitable apple laptop that comes with a touchscreen keyboard on it that there's just

it's like a nintendo ds there's just a a second screen on the keyboard part that is a software keyboard most lenovo yoga book it's already happened you know well except except that's not a that's not a programmable touchscreen right but it's just a flat surface it's already happened you know well except except that's not a that's not a programmable touchscreen right but it's just a flat surface it's just a flat surface but i don't think apple would ever do that i think apple would always part of that change would be it can be anything that the keys can represent anything i i think yeah this is a this is another way to go which is people still want the physical uh feedback of typing and on a traditional computer, especially. And they haven't yet gotten to the point where they can make something that feels like a physical keyboard, but is actually not.

Maybe they'll get there sometime with various technologies. I know they've there have been some weird patents and people have speculated about stuff like that. But this seems like it's a it's certainly at least a step along that path, which is why have permanent keycaps on the keyboard? Why not let software do interesting things with them? You combine that with what they're probably going to do with this magic toolbar thing in the MacBook Pro. It all kind of fits together.

Every now and then I feel like there are rumors that become self-fulfilling. And this feels like one of them. To me, it doesn't to me it doesn't matter whether apple is talking to this company or not it seems like such a logical thing that people will talk about now over the next year or two especially after the the function row changes that it's going to happen anyway like whether it's happening now or not like it just feels like this is such a logical thing that if they're not working on it, they will start to work on it because it seems like something that everybody would want.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, for me, that's the number one thing about this story is, is this story right or not? I don't know. But I do know that this is the kind of thing that Apple is going to push toward. And maybe, if this never happens, it's going to be because Apple is going to look at this and say, you know what? This is kind of hacky. It's not really good enough. The user experience isn't good enough. The refresh issues, the contrast on the keys, it'll be stuff like that. But this is definitely the direction they want to go with their technology. It's just a

question of, is this the right technology? Does it do it in the way that Apple wants? Maybe, maybe not. I think it's a cool idea. So we will see, but it's certainly the kind of thing that Apple wants to do. All right. After this break, we are going to draft our picks for the October Mac event. But first, let me tell you about our first sponsor for this week's episode, and that is Pearl and their Rear Vision Backup Camera. Pearl believes that the latest in automotive technology should be available to everyone, regardless of how old your car is, and whether or not it's time to buy a new one. And this is why they created the Rear Vision Backup Camera. Pearl's founders all met at Apple, where they together worked on the iPod and the iPhone.

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Thank you. It is time for the third draft of the year yes it is the october mac event draft i would like to establish the rules it's important to have rules mike important five rounds so there will be five picks each 10 total picks the possible picks have all been listed out. There will be no curveballs thrown in. Me and Jason have both looked at all of the possible options and have agreed upon them. Yes. Anything that is picked must be announced on stage

or clearly displayed on a slide without contention to win a point. The reason that I'm so very specific about this is I re-listened this morning to the September draft because I know that we both thought to ourselves that we needed better rules. And I would point out the watch band compatibility pick from the September, where we just had to assume that there was watch band compatibility because it

looked like it. Now this is a without contention anything that is picked must be announced on stage or clearly displayed on a slide. I'm going to argue that if you display a watch and it contains bands that are exactly like the bands that everybody's been buying then that it is actually being displayed on the slide. What I will say here is perhaps we can suggest someone, maybe Stephen Hackett, as the ultimate authority in case of a disagreement between us. Perfect. That is the contention part of it. Somewhere Stephen Hackett is just like,

no, no, why? So there will be an adjudicator in case the contention is brought to fore. Yes. And that person's ruling is final. The person... This is the most exciting part to me. Because of the scoring, the person who wins this draft

is Draft Champion for the year. Because this is the third, and I will assume final event, right? Didn't know it was best two out of three, but okay. But it is, though. We've got one each. There's not going to be a fourth event this year. Nope.

So whoever wins, wins. All right. That was never the plan, but it's worked out that way. Okay. All right. First annual, we'll say. If you win, you can be the first annual champion because I know you like that so much. And you'll be the first ever champion.

That's another thing. Yep. All right. like that so much and you'll be the first ever champion another thing yeah all right i have my list in front of me because i uh as i do i have ranked what i think are the most likely picks now you were the winner of the previous draft so as per the previous rules you get to pick first oh that's very nice of you well when i i picked first last time because i won the first one so yes and i think you picked the first the first last time because i won the first one so yes and i think you picked the first the first time too because i was generous yep that showed that was my mistake

well then it's very easy for me to pick my first pick is going to be there will be a new macbook pro yeah i think they will mention it on stage that was my number one pick as well yeah i will i think they will mention that on stage and also have some slides. Yeah, I think there will be no contention there. Yeah, I think when we look at this now, with this event just a couple of days away, I think it's clear to everybody that this is the MacBook Pro event, first and foremost, right? Yes. We know it's a Mac event. Apple's made that very clear with the hello on the, you know, we get the joke.

And obviously it's time for max but i think irrespective of whatever there may be announced at this event the macbook pro will take center stage yeah i think i think it has to be i think the macbook pro is the reason for the event right they've got a completely redesigned macbook pro they didn't get a chance to show it off at a previous event, even though initially that was apparently the plan. They don't want to put out a brand new MacBook Pro. They get once every three or four years, they get to do this where they've got this new technology

they want to show off with the touch bar thing. And you don't do that by press release. So they have to have an event. It's the reason the event happens. Then you do some other stuff, but they have to have an event. It's the reason the event happens. Then you do some other stuff. But they didn't need an event last year when all they did was they did that 4K iMac and all of that. They didn't need a big event for that. They just mentioned it at the earlier event.

But for this one, they need to give it its own space. And that's why it has to be there at number one. give it its own space and that's why it has to be there at number one this is quite possibly the biggest change to the macbook pro since the retina screen which was a very long time ago now so yeah and and that that's basically the same one so based upon um your pick i will go for my number one pick that the macbook pro will include the touchscreen function row. This has been widely rumored that the function row, the F and keys, will be replaced with a new touchscreen,

which will be adaptable per application and will feature a bunch of new Apple-included things. That's a wild pick there. I wonder where you got that idea. No clue. No clue.

It's going to be interesting to see the details on that right because this is the case um where we know uh we know hardware rumors and we know kind of vague once you get to the software and how it's going to be used and how it's going to be marketed everything gets a little bit hazy because the um the sources for that are not quite as good necessarily or the sources are so good that they have to kind of cloak what they leak because they uh they don't want to be identified but that's that's the part that's all that stuff is privy to less people and i love i love that about it right because that's that's your genuine mystery is not just what we always say here which is what's the

story apple tells but like what are the decisions which is what's the story Apple tells, but like, what are the decisions they made? What are the details with something like this touchscreen? Like, is there going to be a moment? I would imagine there needs to be that, that, that when they go into these presentations,

they, they have to have that moment where everybody goes, Oh, like I had no idea. It never occurred to me that you could do that with this thing. What is that? What's that going to be? Um,

I'm very, very interested in the details you're up oh man um i don't this now now it's getting a little tough it's getting a little scary i'm gonna say i'm gonna go with the touch id sensor yeah it's a good pick um i'm gonna i'm to go with the Touch ID sensor because it just seems... I'm not 100% on this. I'm not 100%, but it seems to me that the Watch Unlock feature in Sierra is a fallback if you don't have a Touch ID Mac. And the rumors are that this has Touch ID. I feel less confident about that than i do about the touch screen for some reason it's just it's never it's never i my number two would

be the touch screen which you picked but i think it's going to happen mostly because not only are those rumors out there but because of sierra that that apple pay and the watch unlock both feel like fallback features. Well, we can use the secure element in your phone or your watch if you don't have a device that has Touch ID on it. What's that device? This is that device. This is why those features really exist. So I feel like that gives me the confidence to pick it second.

it's to pick a second so my my this was my next up for the reason of if you took away the reported rumors and gave me all of this information so you told me you've got to pick out of these two things either apple's going to put a touch id sensor in the macbook pro or they're going to replace the function keys of a touchscreen bar and we're where we are today with sierra and everything we know about sierra 100 every time I pick the Touch ID sensor. It is a product that already exists, Touch ID, right? It's something that is on other devices, and it enables the Mac to do some interesting things. And it's clear from what is in Sierra

that they want to put those features into the Mac. The best way to do that is the way Apple already knows how to do it, which is to put a Touch ID sensor into the Mac. It just seems like a more... I know why you're umming and ahhing about it, but I think that if you gave me these two things, these two rumors at the exact same time,

both completely cold, I would go Touch ID every time. Sure. It's more consistent with Apple's product line. It's just not. The touchscreen seems like a much stronger that that rumor has been much clearer than the touch ID sensor rumor for whatever reason. And so maybe just because it's more visible in the leaked parts and things. But I agree with you. Touch ID on the Mac actually is the like very consistent from Apple's product direction for the last few years. My next pick, I almost feel bad for doing this because we're expecting this to be a Mac event,

but I believe we're going to get a shipping date announced for the AirPods. The AirPods were due to be out in October. We are merely a few days away from the end of October. I think that they're going to be on stage. They'll say, and they are shipping today. Remember we spoke about these amazing things and you'll be able to use them with your Mac.

Maybe, we don't know yet. You might have to use them with one of the Macs. We don't know. We'll see. But I think that they're going to give some time to AirPods on stage to refresh the memory about those because they have everybody in the room um they will give them out to reviewers uh etc etc and they'll start pushing from there i think that airpods will will have some time in the event on thursday i think this is a likely scenario and i had it

fairly high on my list i do have that moment it's a little bit like the moment of paranoia when i picked the new macbook pro where i thought what if they change the name oh no um then we'll get a ruling from steven hackett but no if they change the name of the macbook pro if it's clear as a macbook pro we're all good yeah i think so but again you know it is i had that moment with the airpods it's the same thing it's it's uh it's will they mention it? If, if we saw the Nike announcement, right? They didn't do that with AirPods and announced that they're shipping on Friday, which they could have. I think giving another push to AirPods on stage makes sense.

And if they do a 10 minute, uh, summary of what else is going on before they get to the Mac, 15 minutes summary, something like that. This would clearly be high on the list. I also wonder if there might possibly be a Sierra update that they promote that shows the AirPods working and pairing immediately with a Mac. If you start it there, something like that, where they might like say, and it works with the Mac too. There could be a mac angle there if they wanted to do that so i think they're i i so i think you're right i think that this is a this is a pretty likely pick the only reason that it wouldn't happen is if they felt like they had other things to talk about they didn't need to give it another push and you know they just put out a press release saying you know shipping by the end of october we meant it it's

tomorrow enjoy but i think it probably will get mentioned oh no it's my time now it's my turn it's starting to get a bit tricky now i have a few floating around for my next one i just can't pick from from which i'm going to choose that the macbook pro will ship without any standard usb ports without any traditional usb ports oh this was a rumor that came out it goes well in the past week right um that's my that's my my my take is going to be it's all going to be you know usb if it's if there's usb on it it's going to be usb c slash thunderbolt 3 and none of the traditional ports now i know i'm taking a chance here what I've got going for me is Apple, right? I have Apple just being defiant and saying, look, this is the future. Get on board, get an adapter if you need it.

And we're moving on because this is the future. We're not going to do a transitional one that's got some of one and some of another. This is it. We're on it. And so that makes me want to pick it. So I'm going to pick it. I have some feelings another this is it we're we're we're on it and and so that makes me want to pick it so i'm gonna pick it i have some feelings about this yeah sure this feels a little i mean i can see this happening but it feels a little user hostile for the macbook pro yeah um in a way that i'm kind of uncomfortable with i mean doing this to the macbook a new product um i can kind of get it uh in the same way that you know like when apple will release new laptops they will maybe release one of them and keep the old ones on sale maybe they'll do that here but i think that this product has been waited on for too long to do that with. Like when they released the Retina MacBook, it had some things that it took away, but they kept that, the Retina MacBook Pro, they kept that on the line and then kept the old ones.

Keeping these current old computers around seems like a bit of a slap in the face, right? To like, oh, if you want to continue using USB without adapters, you've got to keep buying the ones that are very, very old at this point. Or just keep using the one you've got. I think that would be their argument is, if you're going to buy a brand new computer with all this great new technology in it, guess what? You can buy a little adapter so that your old USB stuff plugs into it.

If you're going to spend more than $1,000 on this thing, spend $1,300 or $1,400 on this thing, you can survive. And maybe, who knows maybe there'll be a little adapter in the box apple seems to be doing that these days too but i just think on the pro computer like even if you want to do this just give one you know i there's just something about it that makes me uncomfortable i i agree with you but i think uh i'm gonna i'm gonna pick it and i'm gonna i'm just gonna you know this is me closing one eye and throwing a dart and i think

uh it just sounds very much like what apple's doing let's be honest this is not a far-fetched thing right like this is there is lots and lots of established uh examples of this. Ample precedent for this sort of behavior. In the last two months or so, you know, this has happened. Whilst there are things that I could also pick from our list which fit with that line of thinking, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think that there will be a 13-inch laptop

called the MacBook, not called MacBook Air. And that kind of, I see if you'll agree with me on that. This isn't necessarily a part of the rumor, a part of the pick here, but this also kind of signals the end of the 11-inch MacBook Air's life, that there will be two products in this line. There is the 12-inch MacBook and the 13-inch MacBook Air's life. There will be two products in this line. There is the 12-inch MacBook and the 13-inch MacBook. I don't know what that product looks like.

I don't know if that is a 13-inch version of the current 12-inch or if it is the current Air with some new stuff inside it called the MacBook. The Apple are going to shrink the line up a little bit. And I think I said on this show previously,

but my feeling is that the MacBook versus MacBook Air distinction comes down to physical design of the hardware. Maybe I mentioned that in the Six Color podcast with Dan, but the idea that if it looks like a MacBook Air, they'll call it a MacBook Air. But if it looks like the MacBook, if they actually change the style of it, and maybe it doesn't have a big silver bezel

around the monitor and things like that, if it looks and it's got color options if the if all of that is true even if it's essentially the follow-on to the macbook air and that it's got a fan and it's got a it's got a more powerful processor and all of those things if it looks like the macbook they'll call it a macbook that's what i think and i don't even know if it will have a retina screen if it's the old styling they're called the macbook air i don't know i don't think they can they can have a retina screen. If it's the old styling, they call it the MacBook Air. I don't know. I don't think they can put it in a... They can call it a MacBook and have it not have a retina screen. I think that's...

I don't think they can do that. I don't know. I mean, you know, maybe I'm showing my hand to later picks. I do think that it will. I think the Air dies on Thursday. I think there is no MacBook Air anymore. And there is just the MacBook, and it comes in 12 and 13. I'm 50-50 on this i think it's just as i think it's just as easy that they that they do an upgrade to the air to

keep it around a little bit longer and uh and not change its industrial design with an eye toward eventually you know eventually migrating the macbook but maybe it's the time now i think it's i think it's as likely as not for me so i think that's a pretty good that's how i feel and i but i feel like it wouldn't be a draft if i didn't kind of throw caution to the wind a little bit we got to change this i did the no standard usb ports right i think that i think we're taking a chance there all right i'm going to take it i'm going to take another chance with my next pick which is i'm going to say that the new MacBook Pro has the wide P3 color gamut. Now, I want to just make sure that I understand this. This isn't necessary for the draft part, but just from my understanding.

Is that the P3, is that what the iMac has? Or is that what the phone has? Or is that what they both have? They both have that. That's what they both have? They both have that. That's what they both have. It's in the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus, and it's in the 2015 model 4K and 5K iMacs. So this would be now the MacBook Pro will also have the wide color support. That's my prediction.

I think that's a really strong pick. I don't think I've seen that actually reported anywhere, but I'm going to pick it anyway because it just seems logical to me like i feel like that can't come from the supply chain like who knows well they might know if that panel has that support or not right maybe and maybe it has been reported but it just again what way is is the wind blowing here for apple i feel like they want that wider color gamut and everything this is a professional laptop they're going to have professional photographers and

designers using it they want to be able to provide some device that can see those wide color photos that isn't a huge monitor on your desk or an ipad or a phone and that means macbook pro i think that makes a lot of sense because pro right you know like they spent a lot of time with the imac talking about photography. And so I think we may see that here. I think that's a strong pick. I'm going to go for a safe one now. Okay. Refreshed iMacs.

All right. I don't know what that means, right? Like I have no kind of color on it, but that's what I think. So the last two years, so two years ago they did an event and they brought out the new iMac 5K. Last year they refreshed the iMac 5K. They put in the wide color gamut and they added the 4K iMac. So this would logically be a time when Apple would update the iMacs. They'd have faster processors.

They would just be fresh for the fall. The only thing that gives me any hesitation here is that there was that report that said that the IMAX aren't ready, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they wouldn't announce them and then ship them in November if they have to or later. But, but, uh, this is logically when that's going to happen.

So I think you're taking a little bit of a chance, but it's not a huge chance. And if I was going to say anything like what I think could be here, like just to throw it out there, I think that this will be maybe the first Mac or one of the first Macs to get True Tone. Oh, interesting. And or Night Shift.

I think the iMac has shown precedent over the last five years of being the first Mac to get the fancy screen stuff, right, the color and the 5K and all that shebang, it may be the first to kind of push that a little bit further to take advantage of two pretty cool features that Apple has only on some iOS devices, which really would do a good job on the Mac, I think, especially Night Shift.

As I look at my Mac right now, as I'm using Flux and it's starting to change color. It surprises me that they haven't put this in the Mac yet, and maybe they were waiting for a product to do it. All right, interesting. Very interesting. I am really torn now, because the stuff we've got left on our possible pick list,

I don't love any of it gets a little ropey at this point it does it does um are we going to do five or are we going to keep going what do you think it's totally up to you i think we should do seven because we have more than enough here let's do it let's do it then all right well i'm gonna go with a very specific prediction for number five which is that all the macs that are updated or announced i suppose it's announced on stage as being updated right because it's on stage will have usbc or thunderbolt 3 ports not necessarily every, but all of them will have at least one USB-C or Thunderbolt 3 port. Because I think this is it.

I think this is the pivot for Apple. I think this is when we start to see USB-C in the entire product line. And it may, you know, there may be some product that gets an update that nobody talks about that's not even on a press release and that's on the Apple store and they don't talk about it. That is a laggard here. But I think any of the products that they talk about on stage press release and that's on the Apple Store and they don't talk about it that is a laggard here. But I think any of the products that they talk about on stage will be getting USB-C

slash Thunderbolt 3. So my feeling about that is that prediction hinges on what happens to the MacBook Air. I think you're right. If the MacBook Air sticks around, then that will not come true because they will keep it exactly the same i think

i don't think that they would change the i.o on it but but we'll see i'm gonna go out on another limb here so we have i think i think we have three product lines left to talk about a refresh from the mac and the one that i'm gonna go with next because i think if they're going to do it anytime it will be now is that apple will refresh the mac pro oh this feels like if they're gonna do it they would do it now to appease the same group of people that they appeased when they introduced this product now by refresh you really literally mean they mention on stage that there has been a change of some sort to the mac pro in terms of its specs it is still the trash can i think that it will be beefed up processes better um i mean if they totally redesign it you that counts too as far as i'm

concerned sure i mean that will be the biggest refresh possible short of them leaving it alone and just cutting the price or not mentioning it all but but if they if they change the specs on the mac pro and mention that on stage you get this one some change to the internals which i think they're going to do i think we're going to get better processors i think we're going to get better uh graphics cards and i think we're going to see usbc on it um and i think that there is enough that they can change in the mac pro that i think they are much more likely to talk about this than the other products that we have left. So my concern here, and this is something that anybody who listens to ATP knows, is that in terms of timing, they're in between Xeon revisions for the Mac Pro. So if they update it now, they're actually updating it to chips from six months ago. Does Apple care about that?

So here's the thing here's the thing i get what marco especially says about how it's like what you want to do is release it when the new ones come out i get that at the same time it's so old any change is good apple could just change it to the ones that are six months old and change to modern g Yep. And it's still going to be better news than what's out there. And maybe then, maybe they do slip to the next generation in six or nine months. There's nothing stopping them from doing that, but it gets that refreshed. For me, this hinges on the external display. Is there a retina external display or not?

And if that's not ready, I think they would push off a Mac Pro announcement. But if it is ready, then I think it's a natural to say, look, it works with the new Mac Pro. It works with the MacBook Pro. It works with the new iMacs. They all work with this external display.

Isn't that amazing? And it's part of that larger story. And I hope that happens. But, you know, the Mac Pro, that's what, that's, I'm inclined to agree with you on the mac pro that's what that's i'm inclined to to agree with you on this because of that because of the fact that it's been so long that maybe apple doesn't care if it's a six month old processor because it's better than what they've got now by

a lot with a six month old processor they can draw graphs and skate stage where they have 2x 5x 10x performance increases i think at this point Apple has shown that they are not, for whatever reason, they are not completely focused on keeping all of their Macs up to date with the latest and greatest CPUs. This is not something that is at the top of Apple's list for many different reasons, some that I will agree with, some that I won't, right? Like, I can see why they would want to make sure

that they try and keep it standard. They want to make sure that they're maximizing the profit they can make out of the computers, and that means keeping them around for a little longer. I get all of this as a business. That's why I think they might do it, even though that they're in between. I will say about the, I mean, and so I will pull back the curtain here. The Retina external display is in our possible picks list.

Neither of us have picked it yet, but I will say, I think that they would still do this even if the retina display is six months away and pre-announce the retina display it's not going to cannibalize any product that apple currently has that's true because they don't sell one and it will placate the people that want it so that we're working on it it going to have this, and it will be out then. And I will say that the Trashcan Mac Pro is why they would do that, right? When they first announced that, that thing was like six months away.

But they needed to do it then for whatever reason they needed to do it. I think that they might do that with the Retina display. If it's not ready, I think it wouldn't stop them at this point from updating these computers. Because the MacBook pro needs this as

well but they're not going to delay that for it we will see i'm going to go with a with a wacky one wackier than we've been up to now even which is i think that apple will mention in some way that developers will get some sort of access to the magic toolbar thing on the MacBook Pro. I am the nod about this one. Well, that's why I'm picking it sixth. But my feeling is that they will make some sort of promise about how your favorite apps, I mean, even if what they say is your favorite apps

will be able to use this, that is enough. That is enough able to use this yep which is that is enough yeah that is enough but this is the question is is it only for system right now i i'm sure it's inevitable that you will have access from other things i think but will they mention it on stage as a part of this as one of the great features is that your favorite apps will be able to access this and do that in some way that the developers will have some sort of access to them to that device. And if they do that, if they if they talk about third party apps being able to use it, then that one is a checkmark. I'm going to go next up and say that the current 12 inch MacBook, a.k.a. MacBook One or MacBook Adorable, will get a speed bump mentioned on stage.

And this is this is me doubling down so this is macbook adorable late 2016 a second update in the calendar year i am doubling down on my macbook line here that they will say it's gonna join this one on in the line which also today gets this, which the other one has. Thunderbolt 3, presumably. I think it will be something if it goes the way I think it might, or at least I'm picking, where they say we have

this 13-inch MacBook, it looks like this, you can get it in these colors, it has this display, it has Thunderbolt 3, it joins the 12-inch in the line, which as of today also gets this, this, and this. Trying my best here to think of how Apple events are run, and that's the way that I think that that one will work. Do you think this is going to be a primary?

This is not. We can put this in the draft. I didn't think it was going to be a primarily Schiller fest, maybe a bit of Federighi. It's probably just going to be the two of them, right, I expect. Yeah, if I had to predict, it would be like tim at the beginning for an update and then uh and then phil and maybe craig yeah they're the mac guys seventh and final pick mr snow so many to choose from none of them none of them have a huge confidence in me

i put some wacky ones in here yeah i'm tempted to pick that are pretty, pretty wild. I'm going to go, I'm going to, well, one of them is Mac Pro mentioned in any way on stage, which I like because that basically is like, we didn't do anything with the Mac Pro suckers and that would count, right? Or we will update the Mac Pro next year or whatever. But I think that although I like dreaming about Apple mentioning products that are not updating on stage, and I picked that in previous drafts, that hasn't happened. So I'm going to go to counter your Mac Pro refresh, I'm going to go with the Retina external display. The that some external display will be shown on stage, whether it's pre announced or announced, or whatever, the existence of an Apple-branded external display

that will connect to the MacBook Pro and presumably a new version of the Mac Pro or whatever. Let's just put it in there. That will get some screen time. We're finally going to get a replacement for the old Thunderbolt display. For my final pick, I'm going to hedge my own bets with refreshed MacBook Air without Retina display. Oh, look at that.

It'd be something if you got both of those. Can you imagine? Wow. Yeah, they refreshed the MacBook Air and introduced a new MacBook. Yeah, so that's me hedging my bets. Okay. a new macbook yeah so that's me hedging my bets uh in case because i the something's going to happen to the macbook air whether they rev it or they get a they just they they're done with it what if nothing happens then it would be it would be very very surprising should we run through

because at least they're worth mentioning the final these are the last five things that were not picked from our possible picks so i want to mention to joe steel in the chat room picks so he'll get a point if he gets this right he picks a 4k apple tv that could happen so it's possible that if we're completely wrong and this is entirely an apple tv event that joe steel wins the Just possible. That is a possible swerve product. Yeah, right? It's possible. It's, uh, it would be time for that. It's a weird

event for that. But, hey, I think that's a cool pick. So, good job, Joe. You get a point. And you would finish third. But since you mentioned the phrase, it would be time. Something we should mention

that I think we're both pretty much in complete agreement on, but if we don't mention it, people will ask us. Even though it would be one year since the 9.7-inch iPad Pro was introduced, I think we are both very confident that there will be no iPads

introduced on Thursday. No refreshes, nothing. Because we feel like that's they're moving that to the spring that when the when the when the 9.7 got announced um oh yes and the 12.9 sorry that the 12.9 will now slide to that new date and that there might even be an ios update that goes along with it that improves some ipad features yeah that's the that's the theory you could have picked it we could have picked it but we didn't and that's why because we're both i think we're both very confident in in the things that we've heard and just what we assume based on release schedules

and stuff that the 12.9 is less important than 9.7 and joe says that uh the chromecast is getting 4k google play videos come november so it would seem that perhaps itunes would also get that sort of digital catalog of 4k movies and then having a 4k that is you know it's a differentiator on those boxes that they're that they do 4k whether people have the tvs and can tell the difference and all that is still an argument but uh having apple have a presence at the top at the top of the line of the apple tv that was yes this does 4k would be uh it would be another check mark on that product and they could probably release it with essentially nothing else right just and it does this is a new apple tv model that does 4k and otherwise it looks exactly like the

other apple tvs and they're done i can see them quite easily just saying that they don't care though as well like that they just don't care yeah that's why we didn't pick it and then it will come later but joe gets that joe gets that it is a solid it's a solid pick to think that something might happen with the ample tv i'll tell you what um and this is against joe's will but um i'm gonna give all of the picks we didn't pick to joe steel oh very interesting okay we'll just uh joe joe and other upgradians will say it's the field that's good field pics so they get uh they get 4k apple tv yep and so the upgradings also will get if the macbook air is refreshed with the retina display so the current macbook air with the big silver bezel nothing changes well maybe it could get some other things but it gets the retina display. So the current MacBook Air with the big silver bezel, nothing changes. Well, maybe it could get some other things, but it gets the retina display.

It looks exactly the same. A USB-C to standard USB adapter or a dock will be mentioned on stage. Right. And I envision this as one of these things that Phil Schiller would toss off. Basically like, and for your old USB peripherals, there's an adapter in the box. Or we'll sell an adapter something like that that they as part of this usb c transition they will they will pay lip service to the fact that you can adapt to the old stuff they will also get the u.s

upgradians led by just steel uh at least one mac will ship without a headphone jack this is my trolling entry which which is like, can you imagine? But it could happen. It could be that MacBook Adorable that you picked with a speed bump. Could it be that it has two USB-C and no headphone jack? Could it be? It could be. It could be.

Or they replaced the headphone jack with lightning port. Also possible. People, we didn't say these were the good ones. These are the ones that were left over. Don't get excited about winning the draft. That's all we're saying. Very unlikely that you'll win the draft. Mac Pro mentioned on stage in any way is in there.

Yes. Yeah, that's my, you know, hey, we'll update the Mac Pro eventually. Or this also works with the Mac Pro, or something. Just existence of Mac Pro acknowledged is what that entry is. Refreshed Mac Mini right there at the bottom. I believe they may do it, but if they do it, they're not putting that on stage. I think it's very possible. If they refresh everything, the Mac Mini will get something.

Literally, it would have to be like a slide where they show other systems and they say, we also are announcing updates to the iMac and Mac Pro and Mac Mini today. Next, right? That would be basically, I think that's the best case scenario for the Mac Mini, is that it is mentioned in passing or appears on a slide. a Mac Mini, is that it is mentioned in passing or appears on a slide. So this does mean, though, that

the Upgradians only get six where we get seven. Which should the seventh pick be, then? iPads. We're gonna give the field iPads? Yep. I can't think of anything else. Oh, how about this? I got one. I got one.

iPod Touch. You know what what that's better than ipads yeah right you never know yeah i can get on board with that okay so that's the that's the basket of bad that we're giving to joe and the other upgradians those are our field picks good luck to you all. So now if a Mac Mini gets mentioned on stage, all of the Upgradians will cheer, is what I'm saying. There may be some things in this list,

right, that the Upgradians may get, but they're not going to beat us. I think not. If you get any, I think we're more likely to get a few more. So there you go. That is the draft. Of course, there will be a scorecard in the show notes,

so you will be able to play along at home. I would like to make it very clear in advance. It doesn't matter what you say are the scores. We decide the scores. No giving three points to Jason for something random because they introduced three MacBook Pros or something. That's not how it works. No, that's not how it works. But you will be able to play along at home.

Please send us in your scorecards, but it will not affect the final score. The only person who can affect the final score outside of me and Jason is our adjudicator who has not agreed to be adjudicator. Nope. This is Stephen Hackett. Stephen Hackett.

And if he can't fulfill the job, then I think it goes to Joe Steele at that point. No, because Joe might ruin his favor completely. Well, that would be something to see, right? He has the opportunity to snatch this. I think we've done some important work here today this has become quite quickly my favorite thing about apple events is drafting them it's just that's a level of excitement you know these days we know everything that's going to happen but what you don't know is who's going to win okay we'll make we're going to make

kathy the uh kathy the backup for steven okay mrs soup in the chat room she's the backup but i think steven will be able to uh fulfill this duty he's a level-headed person yeah so uh this just adds a level of excitement to the events now i know it does right it does i have to i have to try and focus on my job and not on who's winning the draft while i was announcing focus completely on who's winning the draft while I was announcing things. I focus completely on who's winning the draft. I just deal with everything else later on. So yeah, you will find out next week for sure on next

week's episode of Upgrade who has won the draft. And if you're looking for analysis and thoughts following the keynote, you want to tune in to Connected at RelayFM where me and Stephen and Federico fatici will be discussing the mac events i feel like federico is going to be very quiet on this week's episode yeah of connected but he will be there to maybe provide some moral support for me and steven along

the way maybe i really feel sorry for steven and all of this this is all heavily on his shoulders because there is there is a level of apathy about the Mac on Connected, which is like a sliding scale. That poor guy. But he can do it. And he's very excited. Stephen's very excited. We've got to put people who care about the Mac on these podcasts.

It's tough to be the person who cares about the Mac when you're surrounded by people who don't. I mean, last week's episode would say that you might be moving away, isn't it? But only when I'm traveling. I mean, I thought I made it clear, although I did hear from, there was some peculiar feedback we got about that. But it's like, I sit at my desk in front of a Mac

for like eight or 10 hours a day. It's pretty much my primary thing that I use. So I'm not moving away from the Mac at all. But Connected's got a good mix, right, of Stephen who's almost entirely Mac and you who is Mac for work things and iPad for everything else and then Federico who's all iOS. So it's a good mixture. It is a good mix. All right, this week's episode and Ask Upgrade for this week

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Okay. Mr. Jason Snell, it is time for Ask Upgrade, sent with lasers. Yes, let's do it. It's been a long show, but let's get some quickly in here before we go. Rob would like to know, I'm looking for over-ear wireless headphones to keep my ears warmer in the winter. Do you think there's any chance

that the Beats Studio line will get the W1 chip? So the Studio line, so the current ones, the Solos, they kind of sit on the ears. They're smaller. The Studio lines go completely over the ears. They're like the bigger ones. I think that this is likely, it's very likely that more Beats headphones

will get the W1 chip in them. At least it is more likely than any other headphones getting the W1 chip. Right? I think it's more likely that there'll be more Beats headphones that get it than Bose, for example. Yeah, well, of course.

I think that's absolutely true. And I imagine that apple will want this in the entire beats line um eventually beyond that i don't know because i don't understand um over your headphones or winter californian angela wants to know do you guys use apps like little snitch or little flocker to protect against malware or ransomware i don't need either i knew this was going to be our answer like i think we're both very confident in this we just do not ever think or care about malware viruses ransomware on our max maybe you should you probably

should um so don't take our advice this is not this is not advice endorsed by the upgrade program but this is just not something that I think about at all. Yeah, I feel like there are just too many false positives for stuff like this. And I have backups. If somebody really were to ransom my data, I would just use the backups. And yeah, but I don't run antivirus software either.

So, you know, I'm not saying that this is for everybody, but I don't use any of that stuff. Nathan asked a question that really made my eyebrows raise. I've heard a lot of people talking about wanting to replace their MacBook Pros. Do you think the MacBook Pros that will be announced this week will be supply constrained? I went, hmm, that's a very

good question. It is a good question. Probably, yes. And it's going, I think, in two ways. There will be way more people that want them than they're going to make. And because it is a product which has this new feature, which it seems like it's already been delayed, maybe, there ain't there's a strong chance of supply constraints oh mike you know i just thought of a great draft pick that we didn't make which was colors on the macbook pro oh that would have been a good one because what i was going to say to nathan is you may be able to get a macbook pro but only in rose gold and you're going to have to decide do i want a rose gold macbook pro or not i don't know if they're going to make those in colors or not it would be great if they make

rose gold ones that's the one i am buying either that or the gold one i'm going gold a rose gold macbook pro or not i don't know if they're gonna make those in colors or not it would be great if they make rose gold ones that's the one i am buying either that or the gold one i'm going gold or rose gold i've had enough of silver computers even then it's not enough for me you know like it's just a black one i want colors in my computers i know you do so you can cover them with stickers so i can cover them with stickers well you know then you but not on the inside you know i want to see something anyhow uh yeah i reckon there definitely will be colors um and i am i'm interested to think what that could look like from a supply constraint perspective all right joe and joe and other upgradians you get colors on the macbook pro congratulations we need to take one away from them so let's take the ipod touch away okay so that is one that i think they're probably very likely to get.

So we've just given you one there, Upgradians. Aren't we nice? I think they will be supply-constrained, Nathan. Something to think about. I think that is probably true. Mudkip asked, Mudkip didn't have a name attached to their Twitter profile. Mudkip is a Pokemon. Anyhow, do either of you change the icons of folders on your macs that's a great question

there was a time back in the day when this was the most common thing that you did to your mac is candy bar custom custom icons on your folders and on your hard drive and all of that and at some point i just stopped i i don't i don't do it anymore i used to have them all of my stuff had custom icons but at some point I stopped I don't know why here's the thing that was funny for me I stopped doing any of this when I had good internet access and the reason was I had things to do on my computer

that were interesting as opposed to just not really having good internet but I wanted to use the computer so I had to find things to do on my computer that were interesting as opposed to just not really having good internet but i wanted to use the computer so i had to find things to do i was very heavy into like software customization stuff when my internet access was more restricted because i loved doing things on the computer but didn't have much to do other than just explore what the computer could do and that's when i used to change things like icons and really customize stuff. But when the internet access got good enough, it wasn't a case where I could use the internet all the time

because it wasn't dial-up or whatever. It was fast enough that I could actually do play games or whatever. That was when I stopped doing any of that. The last time I set a custom icon for something on my Mac was i wanted to put a folder in my dock with some very specific stuff in it for quick access and i found an icon and pasted it into that folder so that in the dock it would show up with that icon instead of a generic folder icon that's the last time i did it that's a That's a cool thing to do. And continuing this trail, Mark wants to know,

is your Mac's desktop a mess? Is there any order to it? How often do you tidy it up? So my Mac's desktop has about 10 folders on it, and they're for various projects. Now, those 10 folders are always there. So they're like a specific podcast where I keep the files on my desktop for a long time

or I have like a general, like where are my logic projects go or where are my videos go, that kind of thing. My desktop gets filled with various audio files through the week, but I clear it. Not on a specific schedule, but when it looks like there's a lot of them, I grab all the audio files and I just drag them to the trash once the episodes

have been published. So I tend to keep a pretty clean desktop considering I have a 5K iMac, right? So like those 10 folders, they don't take up a lot of screen real estate. Yeah, for me, it's my to-do list. So it can can be messy but it's usually not that messy i tidy it up every so often i drag things into my drop box and then they're filed away or i drag them into some other place but i do leave active projects out there things that i need to act on and file or move or whatever so if i've got a podcast, I need to edit this week, I will pull it out of my work in progress folder on my server, and I'll put it on the desktop. And then it sits there until I'm done with it. And then I file it back away again. So it

is for active projects, it's usually not like 100 things scattered around. It's nothing like that. I'll also use it to, you know, if i'm pulling images down and processing them and uploading them and stuff like that you know it's the working it's the working location so there'll be junk out there if you looked at a random time you would see some junk on my desktop but not a lot of it and it doesn't stay there very long well that's that so we'll be back next week and we will be together in ireland recording live from Ulm. Yeah. Can you believe that?

It doesn't feel like it would be time. I don't think it'll be Monday, though, right? It'll probably be Tuesday. It will be next week. We don't know when it will be. Let's just say we will be back next week in person from Ireland with another upgrade from Ireland. Not the first, even. It'll be the second, right?

I think so. I think it is first even be the second right i think so i think it is this is the second time yeah because the first time was not upgrade but it was a conversation which we didn't record which me and you had for a long time about podcasting that's right that's right no and the second time was when we had the the various ventilation systems in the hotel and made it be like there was a ghost yeah yeah there was there was the pilot episode of upgrade was recorded at all we're not but not recorded not recorded at all yeah uh thank you so much for listening thank you to our sponsors this week uh smile with text expander and pearl with their revision backup camera if you want to find our show notes go to relay.fm upgrade slash 112 that is where you will find the scorecard for the draft so you'll be able to play along at home if you want to follow us online

there's a couple places you can do that you can go to at jsnl jsn e double l on twitter you go to sixcolors.com jason what type of live coverage if any will you be doing um of the october event on six colors some kind uh dan will be in the air during it, but I will be at the event, so I will be doing some sort from there, whether it's tweets or a talk show or something else. We'll see.

I am online. I am at iMike, I-M-Y-K-E. I, along with Jason, host many shows on RelayFM. You can find this show and many more at Relay.FM. I also, in my spare time, make YouTube videos. They are at YouTube.com slash Mike Hurley. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode. Upgradiums will be back next time.

Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snell. Goodbye, everybody.