Upgrade - 195: The WWDC Keynote Draft 2018

Episode Date: May 28, 2018

It’s time for our third annual predictions of what will happen on stage at Apple’s developer conference keynote! Jason and Myke compete for points by drafting 20 different items they expect will get a mention next week. Will there be new hardware, or will it all be about operating systems? Will your hosts shy away from picking items that have burned them during past WWDC drafts? All will be revealed.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode 195 the third annual wwdc draft today's show is brought to you by pingdom pdf pen 10 from smile butcher box and Skillshare. My name is Mike Hurley, and I am joined by my draft compatriot, Mr. Jason Snell. Hello, Mr. Mike Hurley. How are you? I am very well, indeed. Very well, indeed. Because we are drafting today, of course. Draft time. It is time, because WWDC is next week. So it is draft time this week.

But we have some things to get through first. Oh. And we will begin with our hashtag SnellTalk question time this week. But we have some things to get through first. Oh. And we will begin with our hashtag Snell Talk question for this week. And that comes from Steve. And Jason, Steve wants to know, over the years when you've been going to WWDC keynotes, has your seating gotten any better? Like, have you moved closer to the stage over the years?

And also, do you seek a particular spot next to a friend or is there people you try and seek out to sit with when you're watching the keynotes? So the way it works, so back in the day where Macworld Expo was a thing, because that was run by IDG, we got, IDG got some seats that were like the- You sit backstage, sit wherever you want.

That was the, I couldn't sit backstage because Apple controlled that event. Apple, in the later days especially apple controlled that event um but because it was idg uh we got there were some idg badges and i got some of those in the in the last few years of macworld expo when apple was there and so that was that was great because there are a few keynotes where i was in the front row, which is the best. So over the time, you've actually had a seating downgrade. Yeah, well, at WWDC, it was a constant upgrade. Or at Macworld Expo.

At WWDC and other Apple Media events, WWDC is slightly different because the media group is only a part of the group. And obviously the developers are the other part of the group. So the audience is a little bit different. And as a result, actually, WWDC seating for media is worse because they want to have a lot of cheering developers right up front in addition to the Apple VIPs. And so we kind of get shunted off to the side. Fair enough, fair enough.

So I would say, I don't think my seating has gotten better. Generally how it works is we all are milling about in a space for the media that's separate. As any developer listening will know, because, and you'll see it again next week, these members of the media turn up and you've been waiting in line since four in the morning. And the members of the media stumble up at 8.30 or 9 in the morning and are ushered right in to their separate line. And they wait in their separate space. It's true. I feel bad about it, but I also don't want to be out there at four in the morning. So we mill about in our area.

At the McHenry Convention Center last year, they actually took us in and took us upstairs to where the entryway was pretty well in advance. And then they actually loaded us, they load us before they load the attendees in that case, because there are so many attendees and it takes them a long time to load them in. So we're often, I think we were loaded in like an hour at least before the show started last year. So that'll probably happen again. Pro tip, don't drink a lot of orange juice and tea and stuff that Apple provides for media members before you go in because you're going to be in there a very long time.

And where's the bathroom? Who knows? Will you be able to get back? Maybe not. Just don't do it. Anyway, so in terms of being near a friend, you know, you run into people, you know, obviously. I see people I know obviously i i see people i

know i ran into mark german i ran into john gruber i ran into renee ritchie i ran into serenity caldwell at wwc last year we were all chatting um and what happens is you just kind of move from person to person you're chatting and then at some point the stampede begins right which is the the doors begin to open or somebody comes through and says can you know can you move toward the doors we're about to open it up and at that point you like you're going down aisles you're probably not running although i'm sure somebody runs um because that's a little bit silly and they they point you at where you're allowed to sit and this is one of the challenges that you have is like you think okay we're going here we're in good shape and then they're like yeah you can't come down here you got to turn you got to go down to the left further and then and then over and then you can sit and then you

know it's not orderly in that moment it is literally like people are just kind of like going into a row do i want to have a worse seat further up uh oh that seat's saved oh now i've lost that i need to back up so there's that part's chaotic so in the end i often sit with a friend because we're it's whoever i was with sort of as we began to move into the building or into the into the venue itself in the in the uh the theater part um and sometimes we will like somebody will get in a row and they'll they know they were with three or four people and they'll sort of save those seats and wave them over and then they'll get in there i've also had it where I'm sitting next to nobody I know.

And it really, but usually near people I know, if not right next to them. And it just, you know, that's just sort of how it goes. Like I was right next to Serenity and Renee in Chicago with a group or somebody else was very close, but not right next to us. So yeah, it, it,

it, it, it, that's how it works. It's a little chaotic. It is nice to sit with friends and colleagues if you can. And sometimes you can't. Thank you so much to Steve for sending in that question.

It was a great opener for this week's show. If you would like to send in a question to open up a future episode of upgrade to send out a tweet with the hashtag SnellnellTalk and we collect them up for future use. So let's talk about WWDC then. As we're recording this right now, we are quite literally one week away almost exactly to you walking into that room. Oh, boy. Yeah, almost exactly. A week from now as we record this, will be in at that convention center yep uh

possibly in line possibly in the room right now it's here we are and i'll be getting set up in in a hotel room with everything set i'll have all of my equipment with me i'll have my scorecard for the draft i'll have everything all set i'll be ready i'm waiting probably with a coffee in hand uh to mark everything off and kind of keep my hand on the control center but going into wwdc this year there have not been any leaks of any specificity or detail really we don't really know anything i mean that has made the draft that is going to make the draft i think a little bit more interesting this year because i don't say so isn't really anything um substantial you know like the most that we've had is kind of just like oh it's going to be quieter and they're going to focus on notifications maybe and they might do parental control stuff maybe like that's kind of like all there's been there

haven't been any significant leaks as we record this right now i mean we have some you know kind of we are in red alert over the next couple of days really and this is this is what happens is we often do these drafts and then in the intervening week things emerge but that's also good like we're doing it at a point where we're sort of picking based on the kind of broad knowledge of what is what might be there what has been rumored and all that but without those things that sometimes leak right at the start i have to admit mike looking through our draft list i started to think of proposing a new rule which is if you make a good faith effort to pick things that you think might be chosen

and literally none of them are chosen you win like to the moon, but I don't think we should do that. No, I think the judgment on that will need multiple adjudicators. That's an additional complication. Yeah, I do think that somebody is going to get like the golden turkey or something if they get a score of zero. And it's not impossible that we could get a score of zero because we are, yeah, we don't know a lot. The doubling down on secrecy, perhaps.

Because we are, yeah, we don't know a lot. The doubling down on secrecy, perhaps. You know, Apple has been, for all of the details that people like Mark Gurman get, they definitely are making efforts, and we've talked about them on this show, to show employees that they're investigating people, and they get people in trouble, and they lose their jobs, and they can be investigated by the police, and all these things. And it does feel like stuff has dried up to a certain extent. Also keep in mind that the meat and potatoes of WWDC is not hardware. Hardware is complicated because there's

a very long supply chain. There are suppliers of parts and manufacturing that happens. And it is huge numbers of people are involved outside of Cupertino in all of that. And as a result, hardware stuff tends to leak, even if they try to keep it a super secret, like the iPhone would be a perfect example. If there's any product Apple would like to keep a secret until the moment it's released, it's the iPhone. They can't, they just can't. They're always going to be leaks about the iPhone because of that supply chain. But software is the meat and potatoes of WWDC. And what that means is software is a much more constrained group. It's generally just people who work at Apple,

mostly in Cupertino. And occasionally, they'll bring in a third party app developer and have them be under serious NDA. And often they're working on their app in the building in Cupertino, not back home. And so it's much more lockdown. And as a result, WWDC is generally a little more surprising and a little more secretive than hardware events. But still, this one feels like the most mysterious agenda that we've had in a while. Also, you know, you've kind of got two ways of thinking about this, right? If you don't, if we don't know anything at this stage, one of two things is happening. Either A, it's a sleeper year, there's nothing happening. Or B, right? Or B, they've done a very good job of keeping the leaks under control up to this point. So if you were going to put kind

of your money on something, right? Like if you were going to put kind of your, your money on, on something, right? Like if you were going to say, you know, put a stake in the ground, do you think that it's, which one of those are you leaning towards?

That is, that's going to be a real quiet year with nothing much announced or that we kind of don't know anything yet. Which one do you think it is? I think it's a, I think it's a bit of both really. I suspect that if I had to, if I had to put money down, I would say it's not nothing, but it's going to be a collection of maybe smaller items, none of which really rose to the point where they became spread enough to generate a rumor, generate a leak or anything like that. So I don't think it's going to be

one of those that's like so quiet that it's just like, this is a really boring year and Apple didn't do anything at the developer conference. And it turns out that they didn't need to even bother inviting people other than developers to it. But I don't think it'll be that. But I also suspect that maybe it will be a year without some sort of mind-blowing marquee like, whoa, they're adding this thing or they did this thing. I think maybe that's where we'll see what has been sold to us as kind of bug fixes and incremental updates and performance tuning and improved stability and usability like all those unglamorous things. I don't think it will necessarily be that like Apple will have a big slide that says, you know, bug fixes, right? I don't think that's necessarily going to happen. If you think so, you can pick that in the draft.

But I do think that the net result will be a whole bunch of features that they'll say are amazing, but that none of which are like the ones that we usually think of as as the ones that blow us away like where you know wwdc 2017 it was constant blowing away for two hours right like they kept surprising us with lots and lots of interesting things and cool things and we'll say there were a lot of surprises in in that keynote last year so it is very possible that there will be surprises again this year. But I think I'm leaning towards what you said, that it's not going to be as big as last year, but there's a lot we don't know yet. And I guess, you know, we're going to wait and see.

I mean, look at something like Swift in 2016, like completely out of the field. Right. And that's the kind of thing. I think there will be a surprise or two like that, but I just don't think it's going to be. And part of this is the power of reporting. And we'll see, you know, Mark Gurman's sources have been very good. We'll see if they're still very good. A few months ago, Mark Gurman said there's a whole bunch of stuff that they're not going to do.

And his story was basically like Apple felt like it was, it seems like it felt like it was biting off more than it could chew in terms of OS development. And so it was going to take some stuff that it was working really hard to get in this year's release. And it was punting it into 2019 because they just, they felt like it was too much. And he listed off a whole bunch of things, including iPad features and a redesigned home screen and all these things. And he said, these are not happening. And we'll see. But the impression you get from that is that the iOS and macOS releases will be a lot less ambitious than maybe they were going to be. It doesn't mean that there aren't things in there

that are still going to be impressive and that may even surprise us. But everything is tempered by that report, I think. Because that report was saying, don't get your hopes up for massive items being announced in the OS part of WWDC because they're trying to be a little more disciplined about delivering what they promised. Because, of course, last year they announced some stuff that still hasn't shipped and that's, they didn't used to do that. some stuff that still hasn't shipped and that's um they they didn't used to do that so it's been a while since apple apple completely whiffed on some features that they announced were going to be in the os and then never they're about to be lapped yeah which is kind of weird so we're both going to be in san jose for wwdc i'm going to be there all week you're going to be there for the majority of week i believe right you're going to be going to be in and around town yeah so there will be obviously be a few things that we're going to be attending obviously if you see us around town please come up and say hi we'd love that kind of thing if you if you are

going to be around uh we're both going to be taking a part of um taking part in i should say the relay fm live show which is on june 6th with wednesday the 6th which is all sold out we hope that we're going to see you there and we we're looking forward to that. But if you are looking for activities to do during the week, I'm going to put a link in the show notes to an article written by Serenity Caldwell or I'm more talking about some of the events and goings on that are occurring kind of throughout the week in San Jose. It's always a fun time. I can't wait. I'm very excited now. So I'm looking forward to it. Looking forward to hanging out with you, Jason. And we'll finally get to score this draft, which we're now going to move into.

This is the third annual Upgrade WWDC draft. Let me run through the rules. So standard rules apply. 10 rounds, 20 overall picks. So we get 10 picks each. The winner of the previous draft gets first pick. Jason picked that up with the education event. Jason won that draft, so he gets to pick first.

For an item to count when we do our scoring, it must either clearly be announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation. They are the only two ways that a point can be picked up. If something is a net pre-announced or something is ridiculously obvious, on a slide during the presentation. They are the only two ways that a point can be picked up. If something is a net pre-announced or something is ridiculously obvious, it will not count. So the ridiculously obvious stuff

we'll know beforehand, right? When we're doing it now. But if something is pre-announced between now and WWDC and doesn't get shown on stage, those points do not count. There are no half points. The points awarded on the episode are final.

There's no rescoring afterwards. So the points will be awarded on next week's show after WWDC is concluded. The keynote is concluded. And we will have an adjudicator in Stephen Hackett in case of a scoring stalemate between the two of us. We love to and always prefer to and do our best at scoring ourselves. But where we can't, we will use Stephen as a as a guide to help us through so uh so far this year 2018's results um you picked up the the last draft um i won wwdc last year so uh you did i did so it's going to be interesting to see if i can i need this i need to pull this

back because if jason wins the the this draft here he's probably going to take all of 2018 right because you know we expect there's probably going to be three keynotes this year in total so this one is very important to me uh you would only at the very very best you would only hope to to tie me if there were four events which there probably probably won't be. So yes, it's all to play for. It's a key moment. Your back is against the wall here, Mike. And there will be in the show notes a scorecard for you to download

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All this friendly nature is over because it's draft time. It's draft time. So we're going to start our picks. As mentioned, Jason gets to go first. Jason will give his pick. We'll talk about it. And then I'll give my pick. We'll talk about it and continue.

So Jason, what is your first pick, your opening pick? The thing that you think is most likely to happen for WWDC 2018. And I believe, you know, one of the challenges here is as we said earlier we don't really know what's going on so there's it's really hard so i had this decision of i could open with something that i think is really boring but almost certainly i mean in fact i didn't even put in here neither of us put in here game demo on stage which is like a free point yeah it's a free square and and we didn't do that but i i feel like that it's just not even, if it's something you know is going to happen,

it should not even count. I play to win through thoughtfulness, not through trickiness, you know? So my challenge though was, do I pick something that I think is going to happen and play for the win when it would be an embarrassing first pick, boring first pick?

And I decided, you know what? I'm not going to do that. There's only one item in one of our categories because we had a little our agreed upon list um we had a bunch of different categories and there and even though we always say don't talk about hardware and there's only one item in the hardware list that i think might even have a chance of happening but i think i'm going to pick it first and just let it sit there and we'll see what happens. So with my first pick, I'm going to say MacBook Pro update. Oh, wow.

Okay. That's a big one. Especially because we just spent the opening of the show talking about the fact that hardware leaks and we don't have any leaks. Well, a MacBook Pro update doesn't necessarily mean a completely redesigned MacBook Pro. It doesn't. It could just be one. And first off, people aren't looking for Mac leaks like they're looking for iOS leaks. And something that's not a radical change in the hardware might not be noticed.

But I agree with you. Like, is this the thing I'm most confident about on my list? It is absolutely not. But the good news is, Mike, that every pick number one, pick number 10, each of them is only worth a point. But I want to go out with a big one to start this draft. So there it is, MacBook Pro update. I think, here's my rationale for why I think despite everything, it might happen. The audience is developers. There is no computer developer use, I believe, more than the MacBook Pro. I know that a lot of developers use iMacs, maybe even using iMac Pros now, but the reality is more than two-thirds of the Macs sold, I believe,

are laptops. And the MacBook Pro for developers, like they all want MacBook Pros. They all want to travel with them. It is a hugely important product. I believe that developer audience is going to be the most receptive if there is a positive message about Apple hearing the needs of MacBook Pro users. And they announced MacBook updates last year at this time. updates last year at this time. So even if it's not a huge, like, well, we've rethought it and the touch bar is going to do this or it's going to be gone or whatever like that, just new processors showing our commitment to continue to update the MacBook Pro because we know you guys care about the Mac. That's my rationale there is even though we don't have any signal about that, I feel like

they have to say something. And it's been a year. And if they aren't planning a fall complete redesign of the entire laptop line, which I think they probably aren't, then this would be the time to get the developers pumped about Apple's commitment to the Mac. So I had this on my list, but not very high, but I had it in there. I was definitely going to pick it in, in out of my 10, right? Just because I agree with you. It makes sense. One of the reasons I didn't put it so high though, is whilst I agreed at the MacBook pros audience, you know, the perfect person is the developer for it. I think if Apple don't have something meaningful meaningful it might be

a not good audience to show this off in front of right like if if all it is right now is just oh hey it has the new intel chips in it i don't know if putting that on stage is is a good thing for them right i think well they did they did they did it last year i think i think it is a good thing for them because uh because it is one of the big complaints about these laptops is whether they change the keyboard or not. Right. But that's what I'm thinking of is people want that right now. Whether they want it or they think they want it or whatever you want to stay on the cutting edge with this stuff. And so we've done that today.

They're not going to get boos for that. Like, they're not. They're not. People afterward will write angry blog posts about them not updating the keyboard if they don't. But in the moment, it's sending a positive message to developers just a reinforcement thing you're thinking of them because because how soon we forget there was a period in there where apple was like so slow at updating the macbook hardware and and not picking up the latest intel processors and they have now they did that last year when they when

they in less than a year updated the macbook pro so it's now been a year i think they i think they can't wait much longer to update those systems with the new processors so i think this is that's that's my rationale here but again it's a little bit of a shot in the dark i just didn't want to go out with something boring for the first pick so there it is macbook pro update i don't know if my first pick is a boring one um or not i i don't know if my first pick is a boring one or not. I don't necessarily think it is, but it really does feel like, to me, if I'm putting...

This is, again, without really any significant information, but just where I would kind of say, like, this is something I think Apple's going to focus on a lot, and it's whatever they end up calling, what Google called, digital well-being. I think this is going to be a big part of uh wwdc this year some focus on the way people use their devices or the responsibility that apple has for the way that people use their devices some some kind of thing along those lines

which will wrap up into it some some other features that are also in our draft picks which we can get into later on because i obviously have picked a bunch of those and i reckon you may have too but just some focus around and i actually picked this for the education event as well this is one of my things for the education thing because i thought it might maybe pop up there because that is when the stories had started to surface around Apple needs better parental controls. They're ruining our children. This was like a thing that started to occur, right? And I believe that WWDC this year

for the iOS side will focus on tools and functions and a rethinking around Apple's responsibility for the way that people use their devices. Yeah, I think I saw this in the list, and I think it's an interesting idea. Obviously, Google just did this at Google I.O. That's one thing that makes me think, makes me ask, will they lean that hard into it since Google did that? Will they go along?

So I want to clarify your pick here. The way I read this is you're saying that there will be some kind of discussion, whether it's a bullet point or just in them talking about how one of the things we wanted to do was look at how we use our devices, look at how they fit into our lives and can we make that better? Can we, you know, something about improving your life through changing the ways that you use technology. That seems to me to be what you're picking. Yeah, either you or your family. That they're selling that concept and it might be like a bullet point,

like here are the three things we wanted to do and one of them is, you know, digital well-being or something like that. Or it might just be discussing it on stage. But what you're saying is

they're going to put up like an umbrella of here are some things we're doing to help your personal integration okay that'll be a judgment call but that's what i think too i think this one is going to be me and you are going to need to discuss it to see if we feel that it counts but i think at this point you know we believe that the way that we're looking at it is is apple will have some kind of discussion or concept you know like my imagination is like they put up this slide of people using their devices, right? And they talk about the way we use our stuff. And, oh, we have these new features that reinforce this or et cetera, et cetera, right?

And I'm trying to think of something in the past that they've done this way. And I'm drawing a blank right now. But I think that there's going to be some kind of kind of focus on it when it comes to comes to ios you know like it may be you know the way that they've with the apple watch really kind of leaned into health and then they have a bunch of features that are just about all the exercise and workouts and all that kind of stuff you know and then they talk about things that they're doing for people with disabilities and you know like it all leads into this like making you healthier thing and then because then they also have right like they come out and talk about those studies and the apps that

you can download for heart studies you know that that kind of idea right you following kind of kind of what i'm putting down yeah okay so that's uh that's my my first pick so jason what is your second pick i'm i'm gonna pick something that i think is a safe pick and it piggybacks on what you just picked which is i think very specifically they're going to talk about new parental controls in iOS, like better control for parents and maybe for people in general about for access to various things in the system of iOS. Now, they've said before that they were going to do some of that. They've said that publicly because there were complaints and various stories and government officials and things like that. So I feel like this is something that's probably a safer kind

of pick, but it's an area, you know, the fact is there's a lot of stuff in iOS that Apple took a first crack at it and then let it sit for a bunch of years. And I feel like we're at the point in iOS now where for the next few years, a lot of what we're going to see is based on new hardware and new ways of thinking and evolution of the market that Apple takes a second crack at some of that stuff and says, well, all right, we're going to do it differently now. That was then, this is now, we're going to change this. I think this is one of those areas. So I think new kind of parental controls and other usage controls that they're getting pressure from the EU and especially about will be something they address. So I want to talk about what you just mentioned there, but I'll just throw in my second pick because it's the exact same reasoning, which is an overhaul of notifications.

So I believe that they're going to do some work in changing and enhancing and focusing on push notifications to our devices and it's the same idea as like stuff like parental controls they implemented it years ago and never really touched it and they've made some slight tweaks but really they're just kind of oh now the banner can either stay or it can go away or now you can reply to things from the banner but the idea of like the banner and either stay or it can go away, or now you can reply to things from the banner. But the idea of like the banner and all that kind of stuff and notification center, none of it's ever really changed. They've just kind of,

they've just moved the deck chairs around a bunch, right? They've not actually gone and fixed any of the problems, right? Using the Titanic as a metaphor for notifications. And it's kind of, I think these two things are the same, right? That they have implemented them a long time ago. They've made some slight changes, but they haven't really gone in and fixed them. And now iOS is at a stage where now they have to go in and start fixing some of the larger underpinnings of things, right? Going back and redoing things that have lasted for a long time that have just been iterated on over the years.

And I think that notifications is a big one. There are so many things that Apple could do here. You only need to look at Google, right? Like Google have over the last, maybe two or three iterations of Android, whether you like what they do or not, they have actually spent a lot of time trying to change notifications

where Apple has mostly been like, oh, we put this button so you can clear everything. If you're on an iPhone. If you're on an iPad, you can't. We've removed one of the ordering functions for you, and that's it. Where, like, Google is doing stuff where they're allowing you to group notifications

and hide notifications and all that kind of stuff. So I would like to see something here, because I believe that, you know, from my first pick and then the two second round picks we both made, I think this all goes together. Parental controls and notifications

all lead into this, the way we use our devices thing, which I think is going to be one of the maybe two or three biggest features, biggest like overarching ideas, which is focused on for iOS 12. Yeah, I wrote a couple articles that have mentioned notification overhaul because I

think it's something that has to happen. And I hope that that happens this year. One of the things that struck me that I think is an Android feature that I would like on iOS is the ability to directly alter your preferences for a notification when you get it basically i want a gesture or a little box little gear box maybe that i can tap something somewhere yes when i get a notification that says i don't want to see this again you know unsubscribe you said yes to some company like three years ago and then they start sending you all these like spammy messages right because their company's failing and instead of you needing to be like oh now i've got to go into sentence and i'm going to go to notifications and scroll to that company like you just get a

little button on the notification you just like stop no more like we're done um yeah i agree and and if there's more granularity there that's great like if i want to say don't make noise anymore or only show this on the lock screen or or or if depending on how they do this lower the priority of this right just lower the priority what does that mean i don't know show it to me less frequently only show it to me in certain places there are lots of ways they could do this and if an app has some granular notification settings, take me to that app. Like that's one of the things I realized in some of the news apps I've got is you get the news app and it says, we'll send you breaking news notifications. You're like, yes. And then it turns out they'll say things like, hey, there's a new crossword puzzle. And did you know that

there's a recipe? And you're like, this is not breaking news. Why are you doing this? And there is a screen somewhere in that app that lets you say, oh, turn off all of those and just show me the breaking news. Again, that would be a nice thing if app developers could have you tap on that thing. And one of the options is, you know, to take me to the settings

and choose what I'm going to see. All of these things would improve our lives when it comes to phone notifications. So yeah, thumbs thumbs up so should we go to pick three i think so what do you got i am going to take uh hopefully take a point off the board although i think this is slightly risky and say air power air power a previously announced product that does not yet has not yet shipped i'm gonna say it will be mentioned and some it will either be released or a release date will be set i think this is a gamble in the sense

that this could slide all the way to the iphone announcement but i'm gonna say i'm gonna say it now only because it's announced product that's floating out there that has not shipped yet and therefore it might get shipped or at least be told that it'll be shipping at some point in the next month. So I believe that when the store comes back next Monday, AirPower will be available for purchase. I am not convinced they will show it on stage. Right. That's part of the gamble right is they may not even mention it and it may just be released or there'll be a press release that goes out that says oh and air power is available next week because it's possible my feeling is they would show it on stage if they

had something that they were also introducing that used it and i don't think this wwdc is gonna bring that um there could be some products but I don't think that they're going to show off like, maybe I'm tipping my hand here, but I don't think they're going to show off an iPhone SE with inductive charging at this one. I don't think that's happening. It's possible, but I think that it's most likely that they would mention this in passing in an iOS slide or in a watchOS slide. Saying, you know saying that we've got, oh, and AirPower will charge your watch too, as well as your phone, and that's coming out today,

or that's coming out later this week. So I think it's a risk. I didn't want to pick, again, game demo on stage. So I think there's an element of risk here, but I think it's worth taking because I think it's floating out there out there right it's a product that has been mentioned that hasn't shipped and anytime that happens you've got to think maybe this is the opportunity they do to check the box and uh and get it out the door i'm going to take another big theme off the board that there will be a focus on bug fixes and performance improvements to iOS. One of the things that Apple is going to focus on is stability.

They will focus on talking about making iOS run better and be more stable, you know, that kind of thing. That is going to be one of the big features of iOS 12 is a focus on stability. The wording on this one is tricky, right? Because, I mean, I don't know how you market this as a feature, but I think we'll know it when we see it, right? Like this will be something that however they refer it will be like, oh, they're talking about making iOS run better. Would you agree with that?

Like it's difficult to get the wording of this one, I think. Yeah, so I agree with you. I think we'll know it when we see it. I didn't even have this on my list because the way I interpreted this is it's really a yes or no question. In a year when Apple is probably focusing on bug fixes and performance improvements, will they admit that on stage? Will they talk about like they did with what, like they did with what mountain lion and snow leopard um that this is that's our focus or will they just show you what's new and not talk about it at all not talk about it as a selling point that we're we're slowing down and we're doing a lot of bug fixes and we've changed our focus

and so we'll know when we see it right they will either say as a selling point or as a mea culpa, but probably as a selling point that that's what they're doing. And if they just don't, we'll know. And I don't think they will, but there's a chance that they will. So that's what you're picking. And I think that I think there's, it's entirely possible, but I will tell you, I didn't want to pick it because I never bet on Apple. This seems mean mean but i think it's true i'm never going to bet on apple swallowing its pride and admitting its flaws on stage yeah i just i have a hard time seeing it that that is the risk that i know i'm taking with this one but that's why like i don't think they're gonna stand there and be like oh man ios 11 was buggy right

like you know but what I do imagine is them saying that we've really taken time to focus on how fast and stable iOS 12 will be on your devices, right? And I think when we see something like that, you'll be like, oh, I know what you're doing. And then, so we'll wait and see, we'll wait and see. But I agree with you. This one I think is as risky as it is a point, right? Because I think we can both

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There will be new Animoji in the next version of iOS. There will be new Animoji characters. Now, there's an argument to be made that Animoji is over and it's time to move on to whatever the next thing is. And I don't think that's true. And there's another item on our board that is actually another, is the expansion of Animoji into other areas, but that's a separate thing to pick.

But I'm going to say, I'm going to place a bet that there will be new animoji characters of some sort in the next version of ios it's a great demo became a viral hit perfect for marketing i agree with you 100 you've taken a one that was like basically next on my list uh i 100 agree with you that we're gonna see a new animoji like i think that's gonna happen oh now i'm wondering what i'm gonna go with next oh this is people in the chat room were saying easy pick jason that was an easy pick and my response is hey you gotta score play to win folks you gotta play to win so i'm really struggling because i have two that i think uh uh are in this realm and i'm not

sure what to go with i'm gonna do it animoji integration in facetime i'm gonna go as was foretold as was as was just previewed by me animoji facetime so i keep my we have this whole list of pics that we take from and i take my own and build my own list that i only i see so i can just kind of keep things uh in order for myself as soon as you said that about animoji i think i moved four things around like there was like a house of cards of me moving everything around but i think that what goes along with this is hey look at these new animoji we've got or what i reckon might happen is facetime now includes Animoji. And whilst I'm showing you this, how about these new three or four characters that we've got coming in iOS 12?

Animoji integration in FaceTime would finally give something new to FaceTime after all of these years, right? I know, right? That now you can do something in it. There are other features you could add to FaceTime, but this one feels like something you could more easily do. Now, there are, of course, problems with this. If you're doing a 20-minute Animoji

call, you would probably destroy your battery, but we don't have to worry about things like that. I think that this would be a fun feature to add. It would be a logical extension of Animoji in a way that makes sense. I think what I would like to see is an app, of Animoji in a way that makes sense. I think what I would like to see is an app, an Animoji app,

so I could use them in all different manner of places. But I think the more Apple thing to do would be to further extend Animoji into their own applications. So you get it in messages. Now you get it in FaceTime. You know, maybe you'll get it

in Clips next, who knows? But this feels like a good thing that they can do that that maybe other people don't have right now and it lends into like their past of like uh things like i chat effects right like that they have a history of doing this kind of stuff but now instead of changing the background you change what's on your face i agree i think it's a i think it's a logical step this is the i message stickers of this of this uh i agree and it and it helps promote facetime as well um so i think it's an entirely possible thing i i don't know whether it will happen or

not that's your shot in the dark part of it but i think it is completely logical that they do that right but this is also a the thing of both of these the new animoji and the uh animoji and facetime these are also really good iphone demo things right and you know you could hold this all the way to september but it comes out in ios 12 right good because this doesn't need testing right nobody needs to test this because it's an apple only thing so i mean i think we could both say these are going to be in ios 12 but You could. Because this doesn't need testing, right? Nobody needs to test this because it's an Apple-only thing. So, I mean, I think we could both say these are going to be in iOS 12, but whether we see them next Monday or in September, who knows? Yeah, that's possible.

That's possible. You'll see both of these picks go in this exact order again in September's draft. We just copy and paste, drop them right in. Jason, pick five i'm gonna go with um again i think there's some risk here because they've done it the last two years um you know they they but it's such an area of interest for apple that i think they can't go past the developer conference without once again, flogging ARKit and giving ARKit, did I snipe you there? You made a pirate noise. So that probably means so. It's just, it's super important. It's an area of extreme interest that Tim Cook says. So

ARKit is one of those areas where there is a lot of growth happening. The AR and machine learning are the two areas. I imagine that that's out there on the... Did we put a machine learning item in our list? Because that's probably another good guess. I don't think there's anything there. Yeah, we might not have done that. They did a bunch of machine learning stuff last time. So I think there will be updates to ARKit.

I think they will, beyond a game demo, right? I think they will say, here are some amazing new things that you can do with ARKit. We're, we're evolving this platform even more, you know, it's possible that they will start talking about AR or VR attached to the Mac with the iMac pro because remember the iMac pro only shipped in December. Um, so there might be even a Mac angle to it, but I'm just thinking there will be, um, updates to ARKit to show that Apple is still on it and advancing what people can do with augmented reality stuff on their platforms. So that's my, I think that's a pretty safe pick. You never know with Apple, but I feel like that's an area they're going to hammer

home. So even though that this is, this has come out in round five, I actually think ARKit might be the most surefire of anything. i had to have a little pride and not take it right away it is the more exciting game demo right if you're gonna have a game demo at least be exciting and also ar kit this is tim cook's baby right now this he talks about it everywhere and it's a shiny object yeah they've probably got some really good stuff to show off because you know 1.3 to 1.5 was huge and they put that out already so maybe we're just gonna see ar kit 2.0 and maybe they'll show off some more stuff in vr right like we haven't really seen any vr support right so maybe they could like tie these two things together you know basically if apple are working on ar glasses they

need people to be making ar apps and experiences now and getting good at them so when the ar glasses launch we don't have a watch os problem again where or apple tv problem again where the apps suck and just just drain the market out of that platform right so they're building they're building a market for their future products by having it get better and better while it's still kind of a curiosity on the iPhone. Because, and this is, they are in a unique position

where they can actually do this in the open where typically they can't, right? You can't have watch apps running on the iPhone for two years. It doesn't make any sense, right? But you can do this with ARKit because our phones, I mean, and honestly as well, you sense, right? But you can do this with ARKit because our phones, I mean, and honestly, as well, you know, we've spoken about this, our phones will probably be

powering the device anyway, in some way, you know, that seems like a thing that could be happening that ARKit may end up getting split. And there's like the processing side and the visual side and the processing may be occurring on our phones while we have our glasses on our faces. And so having people know ARKit now could be really helpful for the future of this product and the future of this idea. So them pushing and like them showing developers now the opportunities available in ARKit,

like this is the crowd, like this is the crowd they need to get to. When you've got people like James Thompson putting ARKit into his calculator, that's because he liked it and he saw it and he thought it looked fun. But there is now a possibility that down the line, James may make a game.

Who knows what he may do, but he now understands how to use ARKit. And so I think the idea of trying to show developers, here are some fun ways to put ARKit in your apps. You have Carrot Weather playing around with an ARKit mode. So then when we move down this line and there is a whole platform, developers already understand how to use it,

so their ideas are more fully formed by the time the glasses come on the scene, which is something they don't typically get to do. know usually we always say this right every time apple introduces something we're like oh look how good this is now but imagine what people could do with this in two or three years time i'm really excited to see what developers could do with this in a couple of years time right this is the time when they actually get to do that by the time the ar glasses come out developers have had multiple years of playing with ar kit first and that is a unique thing which could be the success of these ar glasses i've been thinking about this a lot um so i think the ar kit being on stage is a that feels like a real strong pick to me well thanks thank you for endorsing my choice what do

you choose a significant overhaul of app development apis for watch os now all right i don't know what this looks like but i feel like if apple are going to spend any time talking about watchOS for a developer during this keynote, they have to show something changing in watchOS that means now you'll want to make apps for this again. Because all we're seeing right now is story after story of X developer pulls their watch app. You know, like, Twitter, I think, did it. Slack have done it. There are loads of developers just pulling their watch app. You know, like Twitter, I think, did it. Slack have done it. There are loads of developers just pulling their watch apps from the store.

So they even need to show, one, why those should come back, or two, why here you can finally make that thing you've wanted to make, but the watchOS APIs haven't been robust enough, right? You know, whether that means someone like Marco can make the watchOS app he's always wanted or, you know, like, or whatever it's going to be. But I think we're

going to see something to show some significant change, some like, you can now do this stuff you've never been able to do before on watchOS to hopefully try and reinvigorate that platform a little bit because it really feels stagnant but stagnant on an important product the apple tv app store is not important in the grand scheme of things as long as we can all get our netflix app and our amazon prime app and whatever like does anyone really care about there being loads of games and fun apps on the apple tv i don't think so and i think that there is no like if you look at what Apple's future business is, all of their content stuff playing on the Apple TV sells the Apple TV, whatever. But the Apple Watch, which should continue to be an important product,

it needs to have apps on it to continue to make it useful. And I think they need to do something there to give that kind of a shot in the arm that it needs. Yeah, it's one of those things. I was having this, and if people know of one, please write in. But one of the things I was doing when I was running last year is I was doing a training app, like a Couch to 5K app, which I do. Because then I stop running and I do other stuff. And then I'm like, oh, I should start running again. And I want to do this.

It's very good because every run sort of increases in difficulty and they're all kind of intervals of you walk and then you run. It tells you now walk, now run. So you put on your phone. Well, one of the things that I have done in the last sort of year is looked for apps that do that same thing, training apps that run just on the watch. And I can't find one. All the watch apps I can find. I mean, also I'll say finding a watch app that is clearly a watch app and not just tethered to a phone is also very hard. That's part of the problem with the watchOS apps now is even though watchOS apps are more capable of being separated, the original conception of them was they were completely tied to the phone. And so significantly overhauling the apps and trying to push them further away from the iPhone, I feel like some of that Apple's tried to do before and the developers seem to be

resistant, but part of it is that maybe the developers are frustrated with the platform. So I hope it gets better because as an Apple Watch user and as somebody who likes my Apple Watch, let me tell you, there was nothing more frustrating than finding an app that I thought keeping in mind too, that they have to have an iOS equivalent to even get on your watch, but to have that and then be like, all right, I'm going to go for a run. I'm going to do this and have it say, um, please start this workout on your iPhone. It's like, no, I don't want to bring my iPhone. I have a cellular Apple watch. I want to run and listen to music. Ideally, I'd like to listen to podcasts, stream to my AirPods, and have it also tell me when to run and when to walk.

And you know what? You can't do it. You can't. As far as I know, it can't be done right now. It needs to change. And that means that the apps need to be richer. change and that means that the apps need to be richer you know i feel like the the lte apple watch was was debuted and we all said oh imagine what it would be like when you can just leave your home with just your watch that has not happened like i do not feel at all like the lte apple watch

is taking advantage of what it could do right like I feel like that product has some stuff to it that is interesting, but it is not at all taking advantage of the fact that, in theory, this device should be able to do anything because it has the basics that my phone has. It is always connected to the internet. It can always be connected to the internet now. So it should be able to do basic stuff like that. And it doesn't. So for them to realize this product,

there needs to be some significant change, I think. And I hope that we see that. And I think that if they're going to do anything, then that's what they'll do. So since we're in the watch section of the draft, apparently, I'm going to pick a watch item, which is now that the series three watches are already out there. Um,

and I, again, this could wait until they announced new watches, but I think that the series three watches make this possible now, which is why I think we're going to see a watch OS and feature announcement, which is sleep tracking it adds to the medical focus of of watch os uh you know health focus that they have and i think the battery is the battery life for uh on the new watches is long enough that they can actually say

we will do sleep tracking also as we know and as david smith has proved if you wear your watch while you're sleeping and then charge it while you take a shower you can do this and it's not a problem so um while you're getting ready in the morning so i i feel like maybe this is the year that apple embraces sleep as another dimension of the health features of watch os that's not what i thought you were gonna say i thought you were building up to something else that i think i'm now gonna pick um all right it's a run on watch items here we go to occur but it's gonna be like a two minute long watch os thing where they're like yeah watch os is great anyway like a third of the pics we're putting on this thing now um uh okay so again like same idea

right we have these more powerful watches with better battery life. And again, you could make this part of the next watch, but I think that the next watch is going to be on the design of the watch. That's what they're going to show off. But I think they will want to make sure they have people ready to take advantage of this new feature, which will be an always-on OLED screen as part of WatchOS. Is this 5? WatchOS os five isn't it i think this

is um i i wrestled with this one for the reasons you just outlined which is one of the problems with tracking apple is that there are things they can do in software that they reserve for hardware right and sometimes they reserve it for the new hardware only other times they roll it out and say oh yeah and also the previous generation will get this. And this is the challenge with the always on OLED screen. The idea that there will be a simplified, probably, screen on the Apple Watch that stays on.

Because with the OLED screen and more battery, you don't use a lot of power and then you can have something. It may not be the watch face that you prefer it may flip to that when you move your uh when you move your uh your wrist it may also be that they this would be a very apple thing to do that you have to choose a watch face yes that has support for always on and it's a more boring watch face. But that's the one that they're going to use. It doesn't have a second hand that sweeps or something like that.

That's possible too. But I would love to see them do this. I'm shocked that it's 2018 and we're talking about the Apple Watch, which was announced in 2014. And they still aren't using that OLED screen to show you the time all the time. But it does feel like it's inevitable.

And the only question is, will they do it now? Will they do it with a new round of hardware that's got even better battery life? Yeah. The only reason I would say they would do this now is that there might be some work that developers need to do for their complications and stuff, right? The way that they pull data, the way that they display data, because, you know, I'm imagining you maybe have this colorful watch face or whatever, and then it goes into just black and white and the second hand disappears and stuff like that. And then when you look at it again,

like the second hand reappears and the color comes back. That's kind of like how I imagine this thing looking. So there probably would need to be some work there to get your complications like always on ready but but we'll see all right what are you picking for pick number seven well i feel like we i'm just going to segue into this pick i wasn't sure if i wanted to pick it for all the stated reasons it may be a new iphone feature but since you picked always on oled screen for the watch i'm going to pick it for the ip. I think that there is an iOS feature to be had.

And the question is, yes, will it be now or will it be in the fall where they say, you know what? If you're using the iPhone 10, you can choose to have the, you can choose to have the screen on showing you the time and the date. And maybe like,

maybe things that are kind of like complications that's possible. And, and maybe either notifications or a notification summary related to notification overhauls, see another location, but it's the same story, right? The iPhone 10 has a lot of battery life and it's got an OLED screen.

You know, raised to wake is great. Tap to wake is great. You know, what's even greater looking down at my phone on the table and seeing the time and date without having to touch it that's better let's do that they can do that now why why haven't they done it yet so it's time and they already have an oled device so they can talk about it now because the iphone 10 exists and say here's a

great iphone 10 feature yes they could also wait until the fall, but it seems like, especially if they roll in other notification kind of items, like something that's more like a complication or some other kind of notification reform that they might be doing, this would seem to be a good time to roll that all together. It feels like it would, I agree with you, would completely go together, which is why I'm also going to make my seventh pick something that i think is tied into all of this again with a lot of the stuff that i've been picking uh an overhaul of do not disturb yeah so additional functions and features for do not disturb preferences whether this be way that you ways that you turn it on and off different applications you can allow through,

more automation of it, whatever it ends up being, but a focus on do not disturb as a thing. And I do think somehow the OLED, you know, always on OLED could help lead into this, right? Because it's just like, things won't light up anymore on your phone. Right. They just change. They just collect and change it's less likely to to bring

to like draw your peripheral vision because it might just be a little icon when you're in do not disturb maybe the number just ticks up as opposed to showing you the entire text of the notification or whatever um so i think that these things could be tied together somehow but i think if they're going to do something to notifications, Do Not Disturb should go along with it. I'm going to write a column about this, but I'll give you the short version now, which is it was the prom over the weekend, which is big formal in the US. It means something totally different in the UK,

but big formal dance for juniors and seniors in high school. And my daughter's a junior in high school, and she went to the prom with a bunch of friends. It was great. And afterward, they went back to a friend's house where they had, that was like their designated post-prom location. The parents were there. They spent the night there, but they couldn't leave the, it's basically a safe prom night kind of thing. And they're teenagers. They're hanging out and having a great time. And it's prom night. It's very special. And Jamie says she got like an hour of sleep and she wanted to go home and sleep at 630 in the morning. Well, guess what? We have do not disturb on our phones, but we have her set in our favorites group. So all her texts

and phone calls to us should have broken through, except guess what? Our phones were on silent because they're always on silent because I generally don't want my phone making noise. silent because they're always on silent because I generally don't want my phone making noise. And my volume was down all the way. And so I actually had, I had mute off on my iPad, which I usually don't. And so she finally called me and my iPad rang. And that's how I knew that she wanted to be picked up. And we went and picked her up, but she first was texting Lauren and calling her and no sound was made anywhere. And this was one of those moments where I thought, okay, this is a problem that Apple has the situation where some people want noises some of the time,

some people want noises none of the time. Sometimes you want to let noises through, but like if I'm at the theater and my daughter texts me, I don't want it let noises through. But like if I'm at the theater, I don't, and my daughter texts me, I don't want it to make noise. But when I'm at home and it's two in the morning and my daughter is somewhere and is like, I need you to pick me up right now. I have to get that message, right? How do you handle all of those situations?

Right now, the best that I've come up with is at the end of the day, I need to turn on do not disturb and turn on the sound on my iPhone in order to receive emergency messages like that's too much that's too much work well you see how right this is the problem you created with the way that your notifications are so bad right and you're well that that's true right i have just turned every sound off on my phone right because i just i never

because most in most cases also I should say, a lot of sensors here, phone should be able to tell if it's in your pocket and it can vibrate when it's in your pocket. And when it's been laying somewhere flat and not moved at all for a period of time, it's not in your pocket, right? It's been abandoned and maybe it needs to get your attention in a different way at that point. Like there are things, I'm not saying it's an easy problem, but I'm saying it's a problem. And so I would roll all that in. I'm

going to heap all of that on to do not disturb overhaul that our phones and other devices need to get better about letting us say in these situations I need to know and in these situations I don't. All right. So that was pick number seven. We have three more picks to go. And then we're going to do we're going to talk about the things that didn't quite make the cut, but we think are likely but won't be scored. But before we do, let me take our next break and thank Skillshare for their support of this week's episode. Skillshare is an online learning community with over 20,000 classes in technology, design, business, and more. A Skillshare premium membership gives you unlimited access to high-quality classes,

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Hooray! Finally! Is this the first? Well, there was hardware, right? Should I say Mac os mentioned on stage nobody knows i think that was an actual thing we were debating a lot last time last time was whether they would mention the mac at all on stage at all i'm gonna say home kit on mac os i don't know what form this will take but if you didn't know home kit very important to apple not supported on the mac at all not even a

little not even a tiny bit so i'm gonna say and i think i'm actually this is a super risky pick because i think they may just not care or it may just be part of something larger because there are some thoughts that one of the things if they do this much debated uh strategy of uh making it easier for ios developers to develop mac apps which is another thing we could pick in this draft, although the feeling is that that's probably far away. One of the things that they would do in terms of eating their own dog food would be to take the Home app

and convert it to run on the Mac. But regardless, I don't care whether it's Home app on macOS, whether there's a new notification center with today widget on macOS that shows you your HomeKit status, whether it's Siri on the Mac that is you your home kit status whether it's siri on the mac that is doing home kit i don't care what i want to do is to be able to sit at my desk and change the lighting in my room via home kit without realizing oh all of my ios devices are elsewhere

in the house so i have to leave the room, bring back an iOS device, and then do it. That's stupid. The Mac should do HomeKit. So I'm going to say, mostly out of my being irate that it doesn't already, I'm going to say that Apple's finally going to get with the program and allow the Mac to control HomeKit devices. Yeah, I mean, I see why this could never happen, right? Because it's like, well, you probably have an iOS device, probably. And or you should be speaking to your iOS devices, you know? But this goes to a lot of the misconceptions of how people use their computers. And I hope that Apple is changing its tune here.

Because yes, it's true. We all have iOS devices, right? More or less. Many, many, most Apple users do. Sometimes think to myself, oh, let me just turn on the light and go to notification center on the mac right so i even even i as an ios first person do this i'm just wondering if like what the strategy is going to be when when i'm using my computer i'm using my computer i'm not using my ios devices and in my case i'll grant you a lot of people they're doing

that and their phone is in their pocket i get that but my phone is not in grant you a lot of people, they're doing that and their phone is in their pocket. I get that. But my phone is not in my pocket. A lot of the time it is, it is charging and it's charging in another room because I've got all of this great Apple technology that lets me know if I get a text message or if my phone rings, it happens on my Mac. But if I need to turn on a light or adjust to the thermostat, I can't. It just seems dumb. It is a huge hole in the Mac where I think it would be something that they should address. So I'm going to wish cast a little bit and also feel like if there's ever low-hanging fruit for a macOS update, supporting HomeKit is it. So there it is. All right. HomeKit is it. So, there it is. Alright, so my next pick we might need to do some

discussion over as to how exactly we're going to score this or what we're going to let through. I want to pick Movement of Control Center. Now, the thing is about this, I believe Control Center's

going to move. I just don't know which device they're going to relocate it somewhere else on. So, they're is going to move i just don't know which device they're going to relocate it somewhere else on so they're either going to change the iphone to be like the ipad or they're going to change the ipad to be like the iphone and i and i don't know which one they're going to do or both or both right they moved them both to somewhere completely different turns out they're now bringing out a control center device which is this whole extra thing now do you know what i mean right you do it's like airpods you tap the you tap the back of your device and it pops up you throw it across the sky and it goes into airplane mode um i i've i'm not sure what they're gonna do here and i want to see if you

are okay with that that like if it changes changes on one iOS device to a different thing, that counts. I think we had in our list, I put in control center moves on the iPhone X, but I think this is a perfectly good pick, and I like how it's broader because you're calling out something that we've talked about before

that I think is important, which is Apple made some changes to the UI for the iPhone X and for iPads last year, and they did it differently on those devices. So they started to diverge. And it's a little bit weird. Doesn't mean divergence isn't okay, but it's a little bit weird. And then on top of that, I personally am still frustrated all of these months later

about where control center is on my iPhone 10, because I hold my iPhone in my left hand. And a lot of what my iPhone interaction is is swiping with my thumb. And guess what I can't do with my thumb, Mike? I can't bring up Control Center because my thumb is not six inches long and does not reach to the far corner of the screen. And I used to flip up Control Center all the time. So I would love to see it move on the iPhone X. But I think I like your broader point, which is somebody's going to see Control Center moved somewhere. Pick number nine.

Pick number nine. Oh, boy. The penultimate pick here. Oh, yes. Yeah, let's do some more pressure, Mike. That is very helpful. We have a lot of things. There's probably like 40 more things to pick from from our shared list

because that is what we do i think we mentioned it was to make it clear again we don't i think it's fairer this way for the draft that we we agree upon a list that we choose from and then pick them rather than me and jason just surprising each other with our big ideas i think it works better for the draft right that we have a list and we pick from that list so there's a lot left on the list there is a lot left on the list i am going to go with a pick that i think is probably not going to happen but it would be amazing if we saw it and i'm going to broaden it enough to make it possible that we'll see it and that is development environment on ipad at the developer conference now wow we had this in the list as xcode for ipad yeah that is probably a stretch yeah that you know but what i would what what i'm sort of saying is something more than what we have

now in swift Playgrounds. I would love a demo where they say that, basically, you could write an app in Swift on an iPad and submit it to the App Store. But it might not be Xcode, right? Or it might be called Xcode and not be Xcode as we know it. Yeah, like I imagine that you could say like, oh, hey, that project you've been working on, you can take it on the road on your iPad

and do this and do this and do this and then throw it on your mac to submit right right right that would be a possibility right where it's a buddy to your max i in xcode but it's not all of xcode but it's enough to get you it's it's advancing the ball toward the ideal that the ipad could be used as a development environment i want to throw something else out there, right, as a potential thing here. It's just somehow like tethering your devices to make them run differently, like to maybe have it run on the device. Do you think that's the thing that we count here? Are we talking about purely like a tool for iOS that will allow you to advance the work

that you're currently doing on your application? Is that kind of what we're going for here? I think it it's that i think it's definitely that that creation of some either either you're yeah either you're building your app um on your ipad or you're able to sort of take some of the work you're doing but i think swift is the is probably the key here that's when i imagine a development environment on ipad that's what i'm imagining is it's a swift app development environment. And the dream is that you could do enough theoretically. And then everybody will complain and be like, oh, but I can't do that because of this, because of this. And that probably will be true. But that at some level, they will be able to demo app development that involves you doing

it on an iPad Pro. I like that. I would like to see that just, just because it's a statement, you know, that's why I would like to see it. Obviously I wouldn't use it, but I would love to see it. I think it would say a lot about iPad and iOS,

um, uh, which makes me think that I'm going to shuffle things around a little bit and I'm going to throw out the only thing that I feel any kind of confidence about hardware-wise, purely on gut feeling, is new iPad Pros announced at WWDC. Wow. Yeah, I know.

I've got this one into my head. There is no indication that this is going to happen. I just think it's going to happen. I want to live in your world. I want new iPad Pros. I totally want new iPad Pros. I want to live in that world. I don't think it's going to happen until fall, but I want it to happen, Mike.

Honestly, this is one of the things I'm picking just purely based upon. I want to put that energy out into the universe, you know? If you win the draft because ipad pros are met are surprise announcements at wwc i'm just going to tip my cap that's like great i'm glad you won the draft it's like i'll take that oh this is good for all of us like the reason is they did it last year um they could do it again they're not going to have any significant software advancements, in my opinion, in iOS 12 for the iPad.

So a way to show continued, some kind of continued love to the iPad line is to show off new hardware that might not even ship for like a month or whatever, right? But I think, I hope really, that we're going to get new ipad pros i may have burned the pick here but this is just a gut feeling that i have and and i hope that it i hope that it comes true so i'm going to go with that for pick number nine now remember we did in as the idea like i i picked the mac being mentioned on stage and i don't did it i think maybe it didn't i don't know um i'm gonna do something similar here which is i and i think

this is a risky pick i think because at the last quarterly phone call with analysts, Apple had very little to say about this product. But I'm just going to pick the HomePod will be mentioned on stage. Maybe there'll be an update. Maybe they'll talk about stereo pairing. Maybe they'll talk about new Siri features that will work on the HomePod as well as other places. But I'm just going to put it there on the ground. I'm going to lay it there which is very simple is the home pods existence acknowledged in some way okay i think you're going rogue i don't think that was in our list but i'm happy to allow this because i i don't think so i don't think maybe maybe i added it and didn't that was not one of the ones I told you you can you can veto it if you want no I don't want to because again I think this was the same as the

Mac I think you did this for the Mac too uh I like it I like this as a pick because it is a tantalizing thing right an omission completely of the home pod this year would say a lot they announced it last year at this event how could they not mention it if they don't mention it especially in a siri context plus it's got features that they promise that they haven't delivered yet like when would they do it other than now and if they don't wow that will be something right so i think they will but yeah i will note as well that we are in our final round and neither of us has mentioned the word syria no that's one of the reasons i wanted to get a siri pick in there and i thought about picking a slightly different thing and i

decided it would be a little safer remember last year when we were convinced that siri was going to be the through line of the entire event and it totally wasn't. Maybe it'll flip the other way. Maybe this year we'll totally discount their Siri stuff and then it will all be about Siri now that they've got Siri on all these different devices. We'll see. What's your last pick, Mike? That's the last one. Similar idea,

right? You know, your HomePod thing is a canary in the coal mine, right? That mention. So I'm going to pick for my final pick a mention of user automation improvements or workflow on stage apple bought workflow over a year ago i want to see what the point was right wouldn't that be nice why do i have some theories i have many theories um You mentioned notification overhaul. Like one of my thoughts was,

wouldn't it be great if you could tie workflow to notifications? So when a notification is sent, like instead of the apps having to do a URL callback or something, it's like when a notification is sent from this app that contains these things, do something. Or when an event is sent, like that would be one way to do it. Siri is another way where you could train Siri to do do things on voice um that were actually just kicking off workflows there are there are so many different ways they could do it they could also say we are a believer in um

in a variant of swift as a scripting language and now you can use that to automate apps our apps and and other apps can follow or we're going to embrace the things the omni group are doing with JavaScript and we'll go that route. There's lots of different paths this could take. But yes, wouldn't it not be nice if after they bought Workflow, they said anything about it

or user automation as a concept? Wouldn't that be great? It would be great. And this might be one of those things where we have to adjudicate together as to what counts towards this you know one thing that i thought was what about workflow on the mac sure right i think we'll know and and i'll give you that one yeah i think i think uh

i think we'll know it when we see it i think it's one of those i think we'll know um boy that would be for me that's the dream feature i think i wrote about that on mac world last week the in my geeky uh ios dreams was um a new unified user automation story from apple where they say on ios and mac like here's how we're going to do it moving forward yeah and uh i've yet to see much evidence that apple cares about user automation at all but uh maybe we live in hope one big thing was they bought a company that does it right i mean like this is what i'm saying is like they've not done anything it looked like they didn't care about it right automates has nothing's happened to it in years they did nothing with this on ios they always made it hard for the workflow team to get features through it

seemed right including the app even originally debuting in the first place. It seemed like it was always a fight of app review, understandably, because it was such a strange and application that did things that typically seemed like they wouldn't have been allowed. Then they fired Sansegoian, but then they bought Workflow, right? So it seemed like they were doing everything they could to make this difficult or make it an edge case or whatever, but then they

bought the team and they didn't kill the app. The app became an Apple app which they've still updated since. So that shows something. I want to see what the point of this was. I want to see why did you acquire that group of incredibly talented young developers?

Why did you do this? I want to see that. So we'll wait and see. So that's it. That's our 10 picks. You can find in our show notes the scorecard so you can score along with us. That is the 10 picks

that me and Jason have chosen each. But we're not done. We're not done. I have a small list. I have a handful of things that I wanted to mention too, as well as I'm sure you do, of things that we think are likely, but just missed out on our official draft list.

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this show and RelayFM. All right. Give me a couple. Give me two things from your list of items that you think could happen but didn't make it into your official top ten. I want two items from you, Jason. We can do more, but just to start off, I want two. Yeah, I've got about ten that made my list of possible picks, but I didn't pick.

So two, first two, dark mode on iOS. Yep. Again, it goes back to that whole OLED screen discussion. Like a real valid dark mode, I would say dark mode on the Mac too, could be thrown in there where they have come close, but they just can't go over the edge. Like an official dark mode, the system knows all the apps can change their appearance based on it. And then one of those old saws that I'm kind of just tired of bringing it out and having it be rejected, which is improved family sharing features on photos. Presumably there'll be new

features in photos. There always are. I write a book about photos to update it every summer. I imagine I'll have to do that again, but the one that keeps coming back and that Google has tried to address and Apple hasn't is the fact that if you've got two adults with Apple IDs and their, and their partners, and they want to share their photo libraries and pour into a shared photo library, you can't do it. You can't do it. There's family sharing. It's a lower resolution version of the photo. And even if you copy it over, you have to do it manually. It's not good enough. So I'm kind of beaten down about that one because it should have been there years ago when they announced families in Apple IDs, and they haven't done it yet, but maybe this year.

Yeah, I was thinking about the dark one too, and that kind of led me also down the path of some iOS design refresh in that it feels like right now there are multiple different, even in Apple's own apps, like styles and ways of showing certain elements, and I think maybe it's time to just unify some of that stuff a little bit maybe yeah just just being a little bit more consistency that would be high on my list if not for that mark german report that that was one of the things they kicked to next year but i would i would love to see

that um and then also some form of easier mac app development for iOS developers. Not even necessarily MasterPan. It was on my list too. Right, this idea of like straight up, you put your iOS app on the Mac or whatever, but just some kind of beginning of this, you know, whether it is that, what is it called, UX kit, like what Photos is made out of, you know, just something that seems to like crack open that door a little bit you know something to

kind of bleed a little bit of life maybe into the mac app store through this or something which is like hey ios developers we're trying to make it easier for you yeah that would be great whether and it doesn't have to be marzipan in fact it could be a step toward that but not the whole step yeah just just ways of of saying you're all you all ios developers use macs but it's hard to write mac apps as an ios developer so let's make it easier and start down that path it doesn't always have to go all at once um two others that i wanted to mention um that both of what so refinements made to multitasking on ios which again i'm going to kind of assume based on the reports from mark german it has been kicked major ipad improvements have been kicked to 2019 however you could make refinements today and i'm thinking specifically

of things like better support for keyboard and changing focus between apps in split view and maybe even using the keyboard to control split view and and slide over and things like that some things that are not a complete overhaul but are refinements i would like it now this did not happen last time right they announced the multitasking features and they did not change them one bit for two years it may be that that's what we're looking at again, but I'm going to still have a little bit of hope that they could do some little refinements to make the stuff that they introduced last time better and that we might see those in the next iOS version. And then my other one is something that I'm, I constantly hope for. It has not happened yet. I feel like it would be super easy for them to do because they already have a text insertion

cursor on iOS, which is to just let you pair pointing devices with iOS devices. And all they may do is move that cursor. That's fine. That's fine. If somebody edits text on iOS, I'd love to have a trackpad for text editing only at this point. It would be enough for me. And I don't anticipate that happening, but if it does happen, you know what it's going to be?

It's going to be one of those 50 features that's on that slide that says there are 50 plus more features that we didn't even talk about here. It'll be one of those if it's anything, but they could do it. They don't need to completely rethink iOS in order to just let you pair a Bluetooth mouse or trackpad and move that little I-beam cursor around. I'd love that. I have two more Apple Watch ones. Oh boy. I know. Third-party watch faces. Yeah, I feel like that's never going to happen now, but it would be nice. But to me, I try and apply the third-party keyboard to this idea, right? right right it seemed like that was never ever going to happen and then one year it just happened and i think that that could

be the same you know we just have to wait it out and another which has surprised me that it hasn't been included yet which is um yoga as a fitness tracking type ah i just feel like you know all these developers in California I figured they might have put yoga in like how they have swimming and all those kinds of things that's always surprised me so yeah I think that that's one that

I would like to see I have one more after this you can pick out any more you want I'll give you two you give one and then I'll empty the rest of my list. Some alteration to the business split in the app store, the 70-30, and it's already altered, right? Because if you have a subscription that goes longer than a year, it turns to 75-25, I think, or is it 80-20? I don't know. It's better after the first year. So the idea that

they're kind of charging you for content for customer acquisition. 85 15 oh yeah even better so there's a good one i don't have a subscription in the app store but um yeah so the idea there is you acquire them and you pay apple and then you you pay them at a lower rate maybe some change there i don't know what that would be i don't think it's going to be a global sort of like uh it's all 80 20 now although it's possible they could do that somebody was asking about services revenue by the way my understanding is it's going to be a global sort of like uh it's all 80 20 now although it's possible they could do that somebody was asking about services revenue by the way my understanding is that all the app store revenue is apple services revenue and then part of their expense in that line is the payouts to developers so i think if you change the split it doesn't change the i don't

think it changes the revenue oh because i think the revenue is all of it now if i could be wrong correct me if i'm wrong but i think that's the case that it's all revenue right and then the 70 is expense that they pay that back out to developers i think that's how that works right because that's they don't report services profit right it services revenue i mean they are profitable but that and that's their that's their margin right that's a business with quite honestly a pretty good margin a 30 margin the app store business is so they're essentially bringing in all the money they're paying out 70 to their suppliers and they keep 30 that's a pretty good deal because i was i thought that that wasn't going to happen

because of that but yeah you've just kind of opened my mind up to that a little bit which is that it's not necessarily profit so you can still report the same numbers maybe the changes won't be global maybe they'll be in very specific areas um where they're like we're gonna change what certain kinds of apps do you make a watch app and an ipad app as part of your whole universal thing you now get an extra 10 of the revenue you know like something like that as an incentivization it could be but just a change so anyway i had that in there because i think that again we don't have to specify what the change is but a change some change somewhere and i'm gonna i'm gonna say again i had on my list and again my heart's been broken too many times i couldn't pick it the uh the expansion of that free icloud storage pace uh figure because it should be bigger than it is

i'm not saying they they they still offer a 99 cent subscription, 99 cents a month. And that is the most, in my mind, that is the most embarrassing product in Apple's product line is the 99 cents per month iCloud storage space. Just make that free, make that the free tier, make that the free tier. People are going to love iCloud. They're going to want to use more iCloud space. A whole bunch of people giving you 99 cents a month so that you don't completely degrade their experience is not worth it on any level. Make iCloud better, expand the free tier. It's not something for nothing because you're already giving away something for free. But do I think it's going to happen? No, I don't. I think they're just

going to keep dragging their feet. I'm tired of getting my heart broken so i didn't pick it all right the last one i want to throw out there is um siri to get new assistant focused features i don't really know what this looks like but just siri gets some features where they're like this makes it more like your personal assistant or your digital assistant right where like they somehow give it some features that are meant to be like, oh, hey, and now it's a better assistant than ever before, you know? Yeah, no, that's making it feel a little bit more personal.

It could be things like Siri, type to Siri. It could be Siri in an iMessage. There's lots of things it could be to make it feel more assistant-y. Well, we'll see. We don't have to score that one, so that's good. I had basically three more um enhancements to siri kit again this is a case where i feel like i picked it so many times that i didn't want to bother picking it where it's yeah

it's more more for developers like let let me take my podcast player and tell it to play a podcast which you can't do now um let me uh tell a different music playing app that i want to play music let me this could be how they show HomePod right that they that they could be announcement use Siri kit intents and that they show it off in the demo with HomePod could be I mean my dream last time was that they were going to show cloud services with Siri too because that's one of the places that where they're way behind Amazon is the ability to build cloud apps basically they're like siri apps that you can talk to on any device because you would you you add them via an app store and then they're just in your siri um and alexa does

that now and uh and siri doesn't so i but i don't think they're going to do that either um uh i put macbook and macbook air updates too i think there is a distinct possibility that macbook air yeah i think there is a distinct possibility. Yeah, that MacBook Air. Yeah, I think there is a distinctive possibility, distinct possibility that Apple will just unload a slew of minor updates to the laptop line at once. I picked the one I wasn't going to pick any more than that. That one's the most relevant to this audience and the most obvious that they could use the latest generation of Intel processors.

But I think there's a chance that the whole laptop line could get revved and that they could do it on stage so we'll see everyone likes hardware whether it's applicable or not right right right and if they've got it ready to go and they're and they're going to just churn through their laptop line that's two-thirds of their of their mac sales like why not do it on stage in front of an audience of mac developers or of mac users who are ios developers like it's important um my last item and i didn't pick this because we sort of like you got your facetime pick i didn't want to do two facetime picks but every year we think maybe they'll do multi-person facetime imagine the demos if you can have like two two grandchildren in different states talking to grandma at the same time and each other and stuff like that. And all of them using Animoji.

Yeah, right. And the technology exists to do this. Everybody, people are like, oh, what about FaceTime? People assume FaceTime will let you talk to multiple people. And it won't. My only assumption with this, Jason, is that there is just something in the underlying foundation of facetime that makes it too hard yeah because why and so the cost is too great now i know i i don't i don't know it's a it's a real mystery to me because so many other uh services do

offer this sort of thing so and that's why i didn't pick it is like it's gone on so long that they haven't done it that now I feel like I'm just a fool if I keep picking it. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me five years in a row. Or fool me once, shame on you. Fool me five years in a row, shame on me. I should just get the message

that it's never gonna happen. And then you know what happens? Then they do it. So maybe this year. You've at least said it. We live in hope. You've at they do it so maybe this year you've at least said live in hope you've at least said it you know you've got that yeah all right so that is the draft of course all of those that we've mentioned in this segment they are non-scorable items it's merely for i don't know bragging rights i guess these were the things that we thought and they

end up happening and also i guess to commiserate and be like, oh, why did I put my new iPad Pro in there? I just kept the yoga fitness type in. You know, that's the kind of idea. So on our episode next week, which we will be, we're recording as soon as we can after the keynote ends. So you can look for that. I mean, I'm hoping, in all honesty, that we will be able to publish Upgrade probably before or just after the State of the Union. It's my hope that we will have the episode out as quick as we can. There is a tight window between the keynote and the State of the Union, which is a too Pacific, I want to say, that is the window that we're hoping to do.

I'm going to run out the doors of the keynote and across to the, to the hotel. And then we're going to do that episode immediately. I think we're already, we're going to like make sure lunch is already there so that we don't have to wait like and get lunch. And then none of that, we're just going to do it.

So it'll be hopefully as quickly as possible after the event is over. So Jason will be, he's going to be there. And so he'll be coming from the convention center to meet me and then we'll be recording the show and we're going to be doing two things we're going to be scoring the draft and then we're going to be talking about some of the big themes some of the big ideas what was announced what was not announced at wwdc so you can catch that next week so look out for that um again, I'll mention it last time in our show notes this week,

which are at relay.fm slash upgrade slash 195. You will be able to find a link to a PDF, which you can download. So you can score along with us. And please tweet us with the way you scored it. I love to see when people are scoring. I love to see what people... I always find it funny to see how vastly different everybody scores the drafts that's always it always makes me smile to see that so that's always a lot of fun

so we look forward to enjoying that along with you um and uh if you want to find jason online he's over at sixcolors.com jason how what are you going to be doing you're going to be live blogging live tweeting the event what's your your plan? I haven't, I haven't come up with my plan yet. I will do some coverage from there. I figure everybody's going to be watching the video. So I hope to do a little bit sort of lighter commentary, maybe on,

on Twitter while also taking notes and thinking and planning what I'm going to say. Of course, I am going to link to the at six colors event, Twitter account. Cause sometimes you will, you will put things on there too. So if you want to follow along there, you can.

But, of course, if you go to sixcolors.com, you'll be able to see whatever Jason's doing, if he's doing anything at that time. But follow Jason on Twitter. He's at jsnell. And I am at imyke, I-M-Y-K-E. I want to thank our sponsors one more time, the wonderful folk over at Skillshare and ButcherBox and Smile with PDFPen10 and also Pingdom as well for helping make this episode happen. We hope that you have enjoyed

the third annual draft, our 2018 WWDC draft and we'll be back next week in person from San Jose, California. Until then, say goodbye Jason Snell. See you next week, California. Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snell. See you next week, Mike.