Upgrade - 201: Full English Breakfast

Episode Date: July 10, 2018

Myke got married, Jason’s back from his vacation, and the Summer of Fun continues with discussion of the Shortcuts app in the iOS 12 beta, potential colorful new iPhones, and AT&T’s plans to make HBO more like Netflix. Then at the very end, it’s time for the official wedding recap with Myke at the Matrimony.

From RelayFM, this is Upgrade, episode 201. Today's show is brought to you by MailRoute, Backblaze, and Squarespace. My name is Mr. Mike Hurley, and I am joined by Jason Snell. Hi, Jason Snell. Hi, Mike Hurley. Congratulations. You just got married, and now we can call you Mr. Mike Hurley. I am Mr, Mike Hurley. Congratulations. You just got married and now we can call you Mr. Mike Hurley. I am

Mr. Mike Hurley. People may care about that. People may not care about that. We're going to do Snell Talk, but at the end of this episode, we're going to do a very special Mike at the Matrimony because Mike got married and we're going to talk about it. People in the chat room are remarking on the fact that I sound different. It's because I've spent the last

few days speaking to lots and lots of people, so I don't have much of a voice left. We will talk about that later on in the show. We have a hashtag Snell Talk question because Jason, you were here with me in England. So we have a question from another Michael who wants to know for hashtag Snell Talk, Jason, what are your favorite British breakfast foods? for hashtag snell talk jason what are your favorite british breakfast foods okay so here's my breakfast report uh i stayed at a bed and breakfast where they so they fed us breakfast every day from the and that was fun and because we got the full well no you had to leave the bed and go out into the dining room but they had the full english breakfast there which i availed myself of um and so i can say i approve of the sausage i actually approve of the

bacon the bacon that they served you know it's the the bacon is different in the uk and uh canada they have i mean we in the u.s they call it canadian bacon but it's back bacon it's taken from a different part of the pig but it's still smoked and stuff and tastes like it tastes just like the u.s tastes good it's just typically softer right like i think that's one of the big differences yeah i think it freaks americans out because the and of course my my family doesn't eat pork so it was just me but um i it freaks americans out i think because it looks like it should be ham but it tastes like bacon and ham and bacon don't taste the same there it's a little bit different, but I liked it. I thought it was good. I got a weird one, which I tried, which was okay,

which was a fried bread that you could, and then you could put, and then you could put, I put beans on it. It was actually pretty good. Beans on, sort of almost beans on toast kind of thing. Although beans is weird. They grill up some tomatoes. I'm not interested in the tomatoes at all. i had and i had eggs and eggs are good so um and i would say in a pinch

my favorite british breakfast food is probably a uh a digestive biscuit or two because i love them and i bought some of those while we were there we were eating those in the morning and also on the on the plane back and i'll also say that um that uh we went into a bunch of pretz while we were over there because sometimes you're hungry or you need tea and uh this british uh breakfast food called a croissant it was pretty good too yeah i don't know how you guys come up with that stuff it called croissants crescents a crescent croissants croissants. Croissants. A crescent. Croissants. Croissants. Or something like that. Croissants. Croissants.

Croissants. Thank you to Michael for the question. If you would like to send in a question to open an episode of this show, then just go with the hashtag Snell Talk, and it will be brought in potentially for the future. Now, of course, we are in the... Summer of fun! Summer of fun fun that is happening right now this episode is part of the summer of fun uh because it has been very summery over here in england very very hot nice and summer it's been the summer of sun over here

um but we are in the summer of fun this episode is part of the summer of fun uh because i'm back i think that we weren't necessarily always expecting this to be the case, but here I am. But we do last episode, which is a really fun episode, episode 200. Thank you to everybody who wrote in

to say that they enjoyed the episode. Me and Jason really loved putting that one together, so we're pleased that you liked it. But we did, as you may have noticed, we have some new things for the Summer of Fun this year, including an incredible new Summer of Fun theme music,

which we would like to thank the wonderful Chris Breen for putting together for us. That will be playing all of our Summer of Fun episodes throughout the summer. And also, of course, to Simon Buckmaster, the artist previously known as Frank Towers, for his wonderful work on our summer of fun artwork as well so we have those there they are going to continue to uh pleasure your eyes

and ears as the summer rolls on um i have a piece of follow-up jason from our last episode we heard from a handful of people who let us know that you in fact can see show notes and links in the apple podcast app and they're all nicely bulleted as we would want. Potentially, the problem that led to me and you thinking that Apple Podcasts did not still show show notes is that you only see them if you're subscribed to a show. If you start playing a show from the store and you're not subscribed to it, it won't show the show notes to you. and you're not subscribed to it, it won't show the show notes to you. So this is probably why we missed it.

I guess we can assume that this is a bug and that maybe it will be fixed in the future. Who knows? But we don't use the app day in and day out. So I guess that's why we missed it. I don't have a long subscription list in the Apple Podcasts app. I just go in and check around with things

every now and then. Yeah, that's exactly it. I don't subscribe to things because I don't want downloading things in the background when i'm not really it's not my primary app but uh i do go in there and poke around from time to time and that's obviously but i do want to say i'm very happy about the fact that it does show show notes now i think that's great yeah it's good very good should we do some upstream yeah let's do it there's still i mean just because i was wandering the countryside and you were getting married and all that doesn't mean that the world of uh streaming media didn't

continue to get weirder as we as we were doing as we were distracted and as it continues to do so apple have hired a guy by the name of joe oppenheimer who was working at bbc films to fill an international content role they're going to to be operating into the overall international team that has been set up, which is being run by Jay Hunt. So Oppenheimer will be reporting into Hunt, but Oppenheimer will be based in London. So this is just another person who is known in the industry that Apple has swallowed up to help with their continued expansion

into different markets and territories for how they're going to be creating and rolling out their programming. is known in the industry that apple has swallowed up to help with their continued expansion into different markets and territories for how they're going to be creating and rolling out their programming so it's not a huge piece of news but other than you know just i think it once again underscores uh how much importance they're playing in this because they're not just getting anyone to do this stuff for them they're not promoting people from the app store team to fill some of these roles. They are bringing people from the industry into the company, which is important. Yeah, there's this misconception that this is sort of like Apple and there are a bunch of amateurs at the entertainment business doing this. And that's not the case at all. As we've

detailed here, they're hiring television and film executives to build this thing. This is being built by the professionals. And you mentioned Jay Hunt. She's a very well-known British TV executive. And this goes to the point of like, where are they going to roll this out? What are their ambitions? And it's very clear, as you would think, it's consistent with what Apple has been doing

with all their services, but their ambitions are global. Now, that doesn't mean that they're going to roll out in every country. They may only roll out in the US or they may roll out in the US with the UK and Australia behind them, or they may roll out almost everywhere. It's possible if they're buying all the rights for these original shows, but there are some specific issues involving. Some countries want you to have content that is in that country or in that country's primary language.

And there could be issues there. We'll put a link in the show notes to the Hollywood Reporter, Tim Goodman, who I do the TV Talk Machine podcast with. He wrote a whole piece in the Hollywood Reporter about Apple and his speculation that Apple should probably buy a content company, that there's basically a feeding frenzy going on, and he thinks Apple

just needs to get in there and start snapping up stuff itself. You got AT&T, you got Disney trying to buy Fox. All of these things are going on, and his suggestion is, look, Apple needs to be in there. But one of the things he mentions is that uh one of the apple's acquisitions as we i think mentioned here is a a french show and they didn't just buy the concept uh to do an english language version they did that but they also bought the streaming rights to the french language show and that was another tell right like because i know that in france i don't know the details but that france is one of those countries where you have to have a certain threshold of content from the country. They don't want to just be steamrolled by American culture, basically. And that's going to be part of Apple's challenge.

It's not just the rights. It's following the regulations to provide content in all of these countries. So that's all going on, too. There's a lot going on here. on too there's a lot a lot going on here um including uh an article a report from the information uh which is talking about things that i think we were have been just in on for a bit about apple considering a subscription bundle right yeah exactly this is a report from the information subscription site uh but the the short version of it i can read the the kind of key point here apple is considering

creating a single subscription offering that would encompass its original TV shows, music service, and magazine articles. Remember, they bought that magazine subscription company. Two people familiar with the company's plans told the information. Such an ambitious offering would bear some similarity to Amazon Prime, which spans video music and some news, yet it would be sharply different from any other subscription media services, which tend to be focused on one specific entertainment area. It's an interesting idea. John Gruber linked to this, and he and I have gone back and forth a little about what we think is most likely from Apple. I think the truth is that it's probably not an either-or proposition. Even Amazon offers a streaming only product in addition to the prime product now it's not priced dramatically differently but they they i think it's i think

apple could conceivably offer a video service as a standalone and also offer a bundle the the standalone might not be a really great deal but they they you know i think offering bundle, bundling with Apple Music at bare minimum is something that they would absolutely do. But I think access to magazine content and Apple Music and this video service. And then I guess my other question is what else would be in there? Would they throw iCloud storage in there too? You know, and I think, I mean, this seems to be right in Apple's wheelhouse, right? Like Apple's all about kind of just extending all the way around you and being like yes you have we here's all of the things and right now i get not a week goes by where i don't get a bill from apple in my email for something something because i'm paying right because i'm i got apple music and then here's a

rental and then here's my iCloud storage and and it used to be and then here's my wife's iCloud storage but at least they now have the family plan for that. So there's always another invoice coming. And wouldn't that be a reasonable idea to take a bunch of these digital services together and offer a, you know, maybe it's an all you can eat kind of approach, but something like that to say, look, I'm all in on Apple, give me all the all the storage, you know, all the media subscriptions. And if it throws in magazine subscriptions and Apple News, you know, all the media subscriptions. And if it throws in magazine subscriptions in Apple News, you know, maybe even like newspaper access or something like that, you could build a really interesting bundle there.

Yeah, it seems like an inevitability that they would do it. But again, any other kind of thing that could suggest that any more report just lends credence to this. You know, again, like who knows whether this is leaked or whether this is being spoken about in and amongst the people inside of Hollywood, right? As we've said many times before,

it can be a bit difficult to try and assign where some of this stuff is coming from. AT&T have suggested that HBO need to consider themselves to be more like Netflix. Why is this AT&T's responsibility to talk about? So AT&T bought Time Warner, basically, which doesn't include, this is the best part of this,

Time Warner doesn't include Time Warner Cable, already separate, doesn't include Time Magazine. The magazines were already sold off to Meredith, a different publishing company, who is in turn selling all of the news publications and sports publications, the non-lifestyle publications,

to other buyers. So that's all just kind of getting broken up. It has nothing to do with those. They bought the remaining pieces, which are a bunch of cable networks, TNT, T those. They bought the remaining pieces, which are a bunch of cable networks, TNT, TBS. They bought Cartoon Network is in there. And then also the Warner Brothers Studio.

So they've got a studio. Well, HBO is part of that too. So AT&T owns HBO now. I didn't know that. Two. So AT&T owns HBO now. I didn't know that. Last week, the Syracuse family and the Snell family, not to give away too many little bits of personal information,

but it's passed now. You can't find us there. We went to the Harry Potter studio experience outside of London, and it was a lot of fun. But all the time I'm sitting there thinking, it's just more money for AT&T now, isn't it? It's just like I got my phone, I got the Harry Potter ticket. It's all AT&T stage at Apple events, was there with his new AT&T boss. And, you know, the story is really interesting. It's like what they really said to the employees, which is in many ways contradictory to what they said when they announced the deal, which is like, HBO is doing great. It's very profitable. HBO makes several billion dollars a year in profit. It's a, it's a very successful business, but, um, they said all that. And then they go to this meeting and at the

meeting, the AT&T guy is basically like, um, we're going to change your business. Uh, you're going to have to work way harder than you do now. I'm like, wow, this is, it set off all of the bells of every time we got new management in my old job and they all, they roll in and think they know how to run your business better than you, which let me tell you is, is never true. Like they, they, they can bring fresh ideas, but there is this tendency for people to, I think natural, it's human nature. human nature, people to expect that they figured out what the business is. And if you go with that, then you realize that a year in, you realize, oh, I didn't understand this business. Better to go in and say, I don't understand this business. I want to learn about it. And then we'll see what changes we can make. But that's not what this guy did. And so if I was an HBO employee, I'd be like, oh, no, because he's like, yeah, you're going to have to work long hours, and it's going to be really hard for the next year, and I'm like, do you know

you're sort of sending the message that you're basically saying you guys need to work harder, and that even though you make many billions of dollars in profit, it's not enough? That said, I think what's really interesting about it, and there was another piece that followed that I think encapsulated a lot of my thoughts about this pretty well, which was on IndieWire. And we'll put that link in the notes too, is this idea that HBO is this really nice boutique, profitable, high quality content provider. But if you think back to when Netflix was talking about its aspirations, and it would say, we want to be HBO, like we want to be HBO before HBO becomes us, something like that, when they were doing original content for the first time. Well, the shoe's on the other foot here. This is AT&T saying

HBO is a great service with great content. Everybody loves it. And, you know, they've got not just the cable, but they've got HBO now. So they've got the over-the-top service. So they're a streaming service with original content. But HBO kind of programs for one night, like they program for Sunday night. So what this AT&T executive said was basically, you need to program for every day, not just every week. And because we're up against Netflix here. And I think what's smart about that, despite the fact that it really rubbed me the wrong way, some of the quotes from the guy, and I thought, really, like, you don't understand what HBO is,

you know, be careful here. This may not be the best way to communicate what you want with the people at HBO. But what he's saying is, you need to make more content. Because if we're going to compete with Netflix, and we're going to charge what we're going to charge, we need more stuff. So HBO, you know, the positive spin on that is, are you going to give us a bigger content acquisition budget so that we can buy twice as many shows as we buy now? Um, I think that's a great opportunity for HBO. If, if Warner and Warner brothers and AT&T basically say, or Warner media is what it's called now. And AT&T say, HBO is the battering ram we are going to use to beat Netflix with mainstream appeal as a streaming service and also linear TV. We're going to use HBO. It's a great brand name. Everybody

knows it. They have great content. Let's blow it up. Let's make it as big as we can. I think that's actually not a bad strategy, except for the one issue that has come up a few times, which is, One issue that has come up a few times, which is, can HBO retain its image, its quality, all of those things when it's programming two or three times as many shows as it is now? I don't know the answer to that. But it will be interesting to watch this because obviously HBO is in the spotlight here with AT&T and that AT&T is not content to say, hey, HBO, you're throwing off several billion dollars in profit every year. Great. Keep doing it. Instead, they seem to be very much like, could we use them to attack Netflix? Could we use them as the wedge to get more content and a more profitable streaming service to more subscribers and uh if i were taking over the ownership of hbo i would be asking myself that question too

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UPGRADE when you check out listeners of this show. Well, they get 10% off for the lifetime of their account. Our thanks to MailRoute for their support of this show and RelayFM. So, Jason, last week, a new option appeared in a developer center of Apple's developer center

that led to me receiving many, many, many text messages. I was out at the moment. I was with some friends at a bar, and my phone nearly buzzed off the table and set itself ablaze because and they were all from federico all from federico and letting me know that you could register your interest to be a part of the shortcuts app beta um this was something that we had had our fingers crossed for that at some point during the ios 12 beta, there would be the ability to get a beta version of the

shortcuts app. And Apple has allowed for people to say, hey, I want in, and they are going to be and have been sending out test flight invitations in waves, it seems. So some people that got in pretty much the first day, and then a couple of days later, or a day later, they sent out some more. And I got mine, I believe, on Friday. I got mine. Actually, I do know it was Friday because it was the night before I got married. And that was how I decided I would take my mind off things was by playing around with the shortcuts app.

So I would like to thank Apple and the shortcuts team for keeping my mind active when all it wanted to do was freak out. So it's a couple of things. We're just gonna run i'm gonna run through some observations and we can maybe talk about it a little bit i know that uh you've been traveling i've been traveling or just moving around my own city a bunch so i haven't had the amount of time that i've wanted to spend a bit yet but i have been spending some time with

it and poking around um one of the things i found the most interesting was that it's a it is a brand new app it doesn't replace the workflow app at least in the test flight um but when you open the app all of your workflows are there like they're all just there and they all work um and they've made some slight changes which i like uh to run a workflow you just tap on the workflow now instead of like tapping on it and pressing play or double tapping it and if you want to edit it there's that like three like that ellipsis and a circle that apple's been putting in a bunch of places and you hit that button um as a way to edit it uh i really had hoped and i know that they didn't mention this but i'd really hope that bmw be some like folders or something right for you to put things in, which seems even more logical now that activating the workflows are a single tap

that you could put it in a folder, like how apps work, right, on the home screen, because I'm going to end up with more and more and more shortcuts than I ever had workflows, so I would love some organization of them. Even though, of course, the majority of time that I'm going to be interacting with these things is probably going to be via Siri. um when i'm going in and poking around i would still like

either folders or as rosemary in the chat is saying oh rosemary by the way is the host of a wonderful new show on relay fm called automators um and it's all about automation it's her and david sparks of mac power users uh it is the perfect time to get on board of automation because of things like shortcuts. I really, really recommend you go and listen to it at relay.fm slash automators, and there'll be a link in the show notes. Anyway, so I would love something,

if some kind of organizational options, but again, I find it like looking a gift horse in the mouth right now to be complaining about this app in any way, because the stuff that they have given is mind blowing to me. So, you know, please, everyone out there who may or may not listen, don't worry about it. Like if I would like folders, but don't worry about it. Give me it later because there is so much more in this app than I ever could have imagined. So in the shortcuts that you can build, you can include things like toggling do not disturb,

low power mode, connectivity options. Like you can turn off Wi-Fi. You can turn on cellular. You can mess around with airplane mode. You can even do stuff like get the current Wi-Fi network name, which I don't even know why you would need that but you can do it you can even set brightness and volume like this is wild right i actually used the wi-fi network name on my mac back when i was taking a laptop back and forth between home and

work i had a bunch of scripts that ran that basically wanted to know my location you could do this with location now too probably but at that time it was basically if I'm on the work wi-fi network then do these things and if I'm on my home wi-fi network then do these things which you would be able to do with that thing so like as I was saying this I just came up with a new shortcut in my head for something that I've been wanting for a while. So, one of my wishes for iOS 12 was do not disturb while watching a video because when me and Adina sit down and maybe we want

to watch something while we're eating, I want to make sure I always have do not disturb on so I leave it on all the time so it's not going to bug us. Well, now I could create a shortcut and just be like, ahoy telephone, movie mode, and it would turn on do Not Disturb on my iPad, put up the volume I could do, and the brightness.

I could adjust all of that stuff, and then I've got exactly what I need. So these are some of the incredible things you can do. You can run arbitrary JavaScript in Safari. Now, I'm not 100% sure why this is so incredible, but everyone that I know that does understand this is freaking out about the fact that this is in there. Because all of these things,

that, including all of the other stuff, this is new. This isn't stuff that has been held over from Workflow days. And this is probably stuff that the Workflow app never could have done. I would say what it reminds me of is the fact that automator on the mac can do some things but the most powerful thing it can do is you can dump in

apple script or a shell script or sort of like any number of things that are like other complexity that's out there and when i see like run javascript out of a shortcut it's a very similar idea that you know you're not just constrained to the shortcut you can now add this sort of programming layer scripting layer on top of it and that's all happening on ios and again because she's an expert rosemary has broken this down into one word for me that i can understand bookmarklets bookmarklets yeah it's like now i get it right because i use bookmarklets. Bookmarklets, yeah. It's like now I get it, right? Because I use bookmarklets in my web browser. And I also now cannot believe that I'll be able to do that on iOS.

URL schemes for third-party apps are supported and even highlighted. So when you're building, I love the new way of doing things. There's like, it's in this slide up panel from the bottom when you're building a shortcut and everything's broken down into categories. You have like broad categories like health and contacts and web. And then you can go down and you can look into certain apps and it surfaces URL schemes for some, but applications that were previously in the workflow kind of database that had signed up and given their actions to workflow for them to be surfaced still show even if they're not installed. So I don't have pinboard installed, but I see pinboard actions.

Now, if this ships like this and you were one of those companies, like this and you were one of those companies like this is now shown to every like to a much much wider audience than workflow ever would have reached here so like this is this is some really interesting stuff there like i cannot believe that everything that was in the workflow app is here and it works and has been beefed up with stuff that they never could have gotten access to right this is and when we've the last month when we've been talking about the best case scenario this is sort of what we were talking about i do feel like at this point we're going to need to revisit our assumptions about um you know what apple does when it buys things or you know basically the well yeah the assumptions we make about how apple does things, because what we see with shortcuts is, I mean, I mean, we could hope, but like, if you had asked most

people, like, well, what's going to happen to workflow, they would have said, well, Apple's going to do what it does, which is swallow the team, integrate some of the technology in other places, but you'll never see anything that resembles workflow exactly. And that'll be the end of it. And that's not what happened. In fact, it was all the way on the other side, which is they took workflow, kept it around, turned it into shortcuts, added features, integrated it into the system. Right? I mean, so it makes me look at this and think, when we're talking about, well, oh, we know what Apple will do with something. i think this is a very strong counter argument that maybe what we think of as what apple does with some of this technology

especially stuff requires it felt like we knew how pr was dealt with and then it totally changed right and then the way that they do releases like gray has been saying this and i am inclined to agree with him that this might be one of the greatest acquisitions Apple's ever made. Like when you look at what they did and then what they did with what they bought, right? Like that they took a thing and they made that thing integrated into the operating system

or more powerful than it ever has been before, rather than like, we're going to buy these people, this technology is going to die and it might surface somewhere else in some crumbs later on you know like which is maybe some of the ways it's been in the past and again like time will tell but you know yeah i don't mean to say that that apple hasn't made acquisitions in the past and you've been able to see visible pieces of them they bought cover flow and put that in a bunch of places they bought sound jam and made it into itunes although that was a

completely different interface when they did that we We just know that it originated as SoundJam, but it was not SoundJam anymore. But it happens rarely. And I think, yeah, I think the key here is this is how a healthy platform owner uses the ingenuity of the platform in a good way, which is some of the stuff you build for your platform or platforms that third parties are going to do, it's not in the core interest. And you're like, great, I'm glad you're doing that. You're serving a narrow audience with

it. Awesome. Then there are the things where as a platform owner, you look at it and say, oh, that's really good. And when we saw workflow for the first time, we're like, oh, that should be, why is that not part of the system? And to Apple's credit, what happened here is basically what should have happened, which is somebody at Apple looked at that and said, that's really great. It should be better. The only way it's going to be better is if we integrate it into the system. Let's buy it and bring those guys in and do that.

And they did that. And that is optimal here, is that if you see anything that um as apple if you see anything that the third parties are doing because there's a lot of experimentation out there and people are trying to find like different ways that apple hasn't thought of or that apple hasn't prioritized to do something and then something catches fire and you're apple and you look at it and you have that ability to say is this something that it would be benefit beneficial for us to kind of like take it over um and ideally not for us to copy it the sherlocking kind of thing for us to copy it and put and ruin it which sherlocking gets overstated because

generally when apple um duplicates a feature that's in third-party stuff they do a simplified version of it that is meant for mainstream use and that all of the people who are the kind of hardcore diehard users of that product look at apple's implementation and like no that's not like i no i don't want like, no, I don't want to do that. It's very rare that Apple just completely duplicates functionality and destroys a product. It happens, but it's rare. But better is for them to be like, those people figured out something super important that we should do and who better to do it than those people. And so I'm very happy that this happened because it's the's the right approach it's the ideal approach for a situation like this um i really like so i've been kind of

tooling around with this i really like the way that they surface the series suggestion stuff um so like when you're going through the app there's just a when you type when you tap in the search box it brings up some different category options and one of them is series suggestions you tap that and it shows you the list of stuff you've recently been doing right so you can see a bunch of things and then you can start like building some stuff that way and i really like that so you can quickly quickly grab actions and it helps you with the shortcuts that you're building and i'm thinking as well like i'm keen to see because i haven't used any application yet that is giving those buttons you know like we can hit a button to like add to shortcuts

so i don't know how that stuff like integrates but the categorization of everything seems really good like just looking through stuff it's helping me think up some new things like one thing that i'm really what i really like i um sometimes i struggle to wake up in the morning i've always been that way so i set like maybe like five alarms right just over different time periods uh because i also um because i can be a sleepy head i find myself turning off the alarm like not just snoozing it right like some action will make me turn off the alarm and then well i've now slept through the alarm so it was frustrating you know i could go into the app and you like hit all the five things well i have now set up a shortcut that i can activate via siri which is

just turn on my alarms and it just turns on five alarms and then i have one to turn off my alarms and it turns off five alarms and it's like i've now just saved all this frustration every single day like where i would open the clock app and like tick tick tick and when this comes to the home pod i'll just do it as i'm getting up from the sofa and going to bed just like oh i telephone set my alarms and it will just do it for me like i I won't even need to have the phone in my hand. And, you know, like I won't need to do anything specific. I won't need to think about it because the HomePod is so good at understanding everything. I'll just shout that out and then go to bed.

Or what I'll probably will end up doing, Jason, is create a whole thing with my scenes in HomeKit as well, where I just say like, hey, Siri, it's bedtime and it will turn off all the lights that I want in the house turn on the lights that are low level in the bedroom set my alarms for me this is what I want this is me being able to as we spoke about before use some very simple

programming tools to make Siri work the way I want it to it's wonderful. The Federico has been tweeting some stuff that, that I was very impressed with. Like he has shortcuts to basically say for toggle his time tracker to say what, what,

what project am I currently tracking? And, and then Siri tells him and also lets him start and stop a timer and that's all via siri um he's got a basically setting a scene which was it's a hilarious example but the idea that you know he will dim the lights and turn on the the music and turn on do not disturb and like all these things for it's it's like it's time for we'll say romance romance yeah yeah um and that that was a pretty great example um he's got a shortcut that will in apple music uh adds a song to a shared playlist grabs the link to a song sends it to a contact all happens inside a

siri doesn't open shortcuts doesn't do anything like there's and that's another piece of this that i really like that i had anticipated might happen which is on workflow every time you trigger it it basically opens the app and then you watch it run which is inelegant like i i don't when i run an apple script the script editor doesn't open and show me the script editor when i run an automator action automator doesn't open and show me the steps that it's going through. But that's how workflow worked. Shortcuts still does that if you're using it from a share extension. And I actually kind of hope eventually that goes away because I don't want to see it. I just want it to do what I want. But in Siri, that happens. In Siri, it just kind of does it when you trigger it by a Siri and then it's beautiful perfect hey there it goes there it goes this is the best I love you is what I'm saying

our friend uh yemi rambo who's at underscore inside friend of the show has created a website called share cuts which is share cuts dot app which is it's pretty bare bones at the moment but i understand that he's doing some work to to kind of broaden it out which is going to be featuring people that share shortcuts that they're creating these types of things will be really good resources i think like apple's gonna have their own like and they're still gonna be there right their own examples of what you can do but some of the super super nerdy stuff that needs to come from super super nerds right and you can there's some there's some stuff on there already that you can take a look at um and you can upload them as well like so you if you've created a shortcut you can upload it

um i'm really excited to see how all of this sort of stuff starts to come together. One of the best things about user automation stuff is that if there's a community around it, you don't have to start from scratch. Like some of the best scripts and other things that I've done have been adapted from things I've found, from friends, from people on the internet.

So having something like this as a resource is great because, yeah, you may not be a shortcut builder wizard, right? But if you find something that is close to what you want, you can add it and then edit it and say, oh, that's how they're doing that. And then put together the thing that does exactly what you want. And that's the beauty of stuff like this is being able to do that because you probably won't find something that does exactly what you want, but you will find something that has pieces in it that you can take and apply and make the thing that you want.

And that's, that's where you go from being a kind of just a user who wants to do some automation and might not be able to raise, you know, go above that bar of being sort of an expert automation person, but you can get the result that you need without being one like i'm gonna um take federico's new toggle actions if he's changed them and adapt them like i did the last ones right and that because that's something that

i'm able to do i can i can't necessarily work out how to do everything but when i can take one of the like it was workflows now shortcuts i can take one that somebody else has made and i look at how it works and i watch the steps i can work out how to customize it but like for me sometimes just like trying to build it from the beginning is tricky but that's what's so cool about this stuff is the more people that make things the more people that share things the more it helps everyone because you can help more people understand how to use it. Like, I mean, it's always tricky when you're excited about something to judge how it will ultimately result, but this feels really important to me, like in a really big way.

And I'm very, very, very excited about it. Yeah. I think it's going to be great. Yeah, I think it's going to be great. And as you mentioned, the HomePod with Apple Watch. Yeah, that's all just kind of like it's all rolling together then where you've built your shortcuts and you've got access to them wherever you are and wherever Siri is. And that's the potential there is pretty enormous. There was also, Jason, a report from ming chi kuo um who is not at kgs securities anymore no he went off on his own and there was one of those things of like he's also he's not going to just focus on apple anymore he's going to focus on other things which is funny because it's like mark german going to bloomberg it's like yeah

he's going to do other things but he's also going to do apple well same same here ming qi quo off doing doing a different thing still has all the best apple supply chain sources so here we go uh he's reporting that the next iphone models will finally feature some color now there's a there's a couple of options here so let me run through them because it gets a bit confusing so apparently the new 6.5 inch which is the 10 but plus sized. Yeah, iPhone 10 Plus. Let's call it 10 Plus for discussion today. Will come in black, white, and it will get a gold color option. Now in the report on 9to5Mac, which is building up what Kuo was talking about,

there is no mention about what might happen color-wise to the 5.8-inch phone, which is the current iPhone X size. I'm going to assume that this will also get black, white, and gold. They will be the color options for these phones. Now, the 6.1-inch LCD phone, which is going to look like, so the reports are saying it's going to look like the iPhone X. The reports are also saying it will get a dual SIM card slot and will feature Face ID and stuff, but has an LCD screen instead of a OLED screen, but it's still a bigger. So we'll call this the iPhone 9. We'll

call this the iPhone 9. That will feature a gray option, which let's assume that's black, right? Space gray. It's space gray. Who knows what that means? There's 80 shades of space gray, but yeah. Not 50 shades. Not 50 shades. 80.

It keeps going. It keeps going. So it's going to be space gray, white, blue, red, and orange. Johnny, I say every color is my understanding. I'm excited. This is interesting too because it may be, you know, they're trying to differentiate

that this is the more kind of mass market. It's not the super lux high-end iPhone X. It's the iPhone 9 and fun colors at launch. I've been saying this. I was going to say,

I've been complaining about this for a long time. More color, more color in the iPhone line, please. Like iPods with colors were so much fun. And Apple has just, you know, they've been like, what if we did a space gray? And what if we did a gold or a rose gold? Great.

But, and then they did the product red and it was beautiful, but it was a half step like six months later. So coming out the door with blue and red and orange, which, as we know, Stephen Hack had proved to us is Johnny Ives' favorite color. Awesome. That sounds great. I'm a little disappointed that these are only going to be in the iPhone 9, as we are going to call it. Which is not the phone that we'll buy, right? Because it's not the one I'm going to buy.

Before we go on, can I do a... Can I ask you, we've done this before, but I want to check in with you now. That new, assuming there is an update to the 5.8 inch, the iPhone X, are they just going to call it the iPhone X? All new iPhone X? Or are they going to call it something else?

XS. XS, interesting. XS? Which will look strange as XS, but I think they'll go with XS. I don't think they're at the point right now where they would just keep calling it the X. I don't know. I guess it depends what they do. We'll revisit this when it comes time for us to do the iPhone draft, but I think that this is the perfect time for them to just stop and say, as long as it looks like this, it's the iPhone 10. This is the new iPhone 10, the 2018 iPhone 10. And it's got new features, rather than, you know,

because then they have to go to the iPhone 11 and the X disappears. And I guess they could do that. But I don't know, it seems weird. We'll see. I mean, they could just iPhone 11, the X disappeared, but I just I kind of can't see it. I wonder if that this, as long as it looks like this, if that's what they're going to call it. But we'll come back to that. There was also, there was a little more news about pricing, which, you know, as we all know, you got to take with a bigger grain of salt because supply chain doesn't really do pricing. You can make some guesses about the cost of the parts and what that means for price tiers, but I think that outside of Cupertino,

you're going to have a hard time guessing what the actual price is going to be. But let's assume that Quora has good enough sources to try and at least approximate it, but he's saying that the 6.5-inch, which is the 10+, will take the $ it but he's saying that the 6.5 inch which is the the 10 plus will take the $1,000 price point that the 10 had the 10s will see a small price drop let's assume like 900 and the 6.1 inch which is the 9 right it's what we're calling the 9

the lcd phone will sell for 700 i mean that all makes sense to me, right? Like, it seems like, it seems pretty logical that if they have an update to the 10, which is mostly just internal stuff, they probably won't keep selling it for $1,000. And if they have a new phone, they might want to start that at $1,000, right? Because then the big phone becomes the most expensive, and then they bring in the $700 for $700 for the one in look only. That all makes sense to me. Honestly, Jason, I'm not sold on the idea of them making color versions.

Huh. I think it would be great. I'm not convinced that it will happen. Because they only did this one time with the iphone and it didn't work right on the 5c yeah yeah that product didn't work because it never came back i think the question is what is on the back and is that like anodized aluminum or the or the the glass um and what it looks like but i don't't know, I'm, I'm intrigued that colors is a possibility. I would love to see it. And we're going to be between now and September, we're

going to be continuing to wonder about like what the names are and what the price points are. Because the $700 price point, that's where the iPhone 8 is now. But keep in mind that this is the 6.1, so it's a little bit bigger than an iPhone 8. But the idea here is that the, I think the theory is that the 9, the 8 and 8 Plus go away or get pushed down on the price list and that there isn't a 9 and a 9 Plus.

There's just a 9 and it looks kind of like the 10, but it's LCD. It's a little bigger than the 9, but smaller than the 9 Plus. And if you want the really big one, you need to go get the 10 Plus. And that's interesting unto itself. Tweaking the line a little bit,

along with presumably keeping older products in the product line. So we'll have to see. But I hope they're colors. But I will be sad as somebody who is not going to buy an iPhone 9. I would much rather buy an iPhone 10 or 10 Plus or 10S or whatever than get the 9. But I like to see color. I want more color in all of Apple's products.

And I know there are lots of complicating factors and there are lots of reasons, but I would love it if there were more color options on every single thing that Apple sells. I completely agree with you. I just have my hopes dashed too many times. Yeah. Oh, no, I know. This is like when we did the draft and there were certain things we didn't draft because it was like, I won't be fooled again. And then, you know, when it happens, you'll be you'll be ecstatic. And it will be a

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The first question this time comes from Rob. Rob wants to know, do either of you use the iWork apps like Pages and Numbers? I do. I use Numbers for all of my charts for six colors because they're pretty. Um, I really wish I could automate speaking of user automation.

I really wish I could automate that. Um, cause I have to, when I was, uh, when I was traveling and Apple's numbers came out the last time I just had my iPad and I was taking screenshots and cropping them in screenshots and on my Mac, it's the same way i'm taking screenshots i can't like just export export this chart export this it doesn't do that so that's frustrating but i do use it and the charts are very pretty i never use pages um and i haven't given a presentation in a while but when i do i always use keynote because i find keynote to be the best yeah i don't use keynote very much because i don't do presentations but i use numbers for a bunch of simple charts that i like it's because like i use excel for some complicated stuff we use google sheets for stuff we can share but numbers is good for like simple tasks and i

use pages basically every single day to draw up contracts and stuff like that. That's what I use. I use Pages. Because if I need to, I can export it in Word anyway, and I like to use Pages because it's simple and it's easy to use. That's why I use it constantly. Robin has asked, I'm considering setting up an Apple family sharing system

so my wife doesn't have to use my account anymore. Does she have to re-download all of the apps onto her phone? Is it doable without a lot of hassle? I've been putting it off for years. Jason, you do this, right? You have a family sharing. Yeah. I think, I don't know.

I think you can, it's a problem. We used to use one itunes account for app purchases which was mine and so when we went to family sharing that was okay because all the apps were on my device and so it was okay um with the app store you can be logged in to a different account in the app store than everything else um so you could set it up so that you were using family sharing for everything else but not for the app store and then keep if because if you've got two people who have a completely different set of apps that they're using. I may be missing something. I don't know if there's a way for you to migrate an Apple ID. Well, the way it works is it's not

a new Apple ID. You're migrating their Apple ID in. Oh, no, actually, it's fine. Because once you're in family sharing, sorry, I got there eventually. The beauty of it is you're not getting a new ID. So if you've got two different accounts with different apps, when you put them in the same family, you get access to all the apps that were purchased by anybody in the family. If you've got one account that has all the apps and you have a new Apple ID and it goes into the family, that ID can see all the apps that were purchased by the other ID and download them. So I think she might have to re-download some apps, although I think maybe not all of them.

Over time, they would just update because it's all part of the family group. So I think the answer is you could do this. It wouldn't be a lot of hassle. It should work. The big problem is in-app purchases because in-app purchases often will not function across family group users. If they're consumables. If they're consumables, which is like, so my, yeah.

So that can be a problem. If you like buy a game and then pay to have the ads go away and then you give it to your child and you restore purchase and it says, I can't do that. Then you got to pay again. So that's happened to us, but I'm sorry to be so circuitous about it. Apple's actually done the right thing here.

Cause I can think I can visualize it that I can look at the apps, like even in updates and purchased and I can see all the members of my family. So like if, if my, um, if I'm on my wife's iPhone and she's trying to get an app that I already bought, I can actually go to purchased and tap on my name and see my purchased history and then add those in. And it just does the right thing. Kenneth wants to know, do you think Apple's upcoming streaming service will be integrated into the videos app

or the TV app or whatever it's called now that's already included with iOS, just like how Apple Music was integrated into the music app or whatever it's called now that's already included with iOS, just like how Apple Music was integrated into the music app. Yep, the TV app. And that's why I think it's probably going to be called Apple TV. And I think the TV app they built, at least in part with this in mind, that they want everybody in the TV app. They want apps with their content to feed in there. They want live in the TV app. They want everything in the tv app they want everything in the tv app so of course that's where their service will live whatever they call it it will be in the tv app for sure

100 i would say like that's what it's for matthias says as asked uh my grandfather has an ipad pro that he uses occasionally but he doesn't love using a touchscreen i was wondering if it would be worth it to get him an apple pencil or if you have another stylus you would recommend for his purpose. I would say Apple Pencil 100% because, well, yes, it is the most expensive, but it works the best. It is very responsive. It's comfortable to hold. And I use my Apple Pencil with my iPad like this all the time as a way to just use navigation. It's nice because the point is so fine. It's such a small tip that you're using. It's very easy to activate buttons and stuff

where previous styluses that I'd used, they're not really. They're kind of just like a big finger and it's not as comfortable, not as easy to use. It doesn't feel as nice because it's got that rubbery tip, not the hard plastic tip.

Considering it already has an iPad Pro, I think that an Apple Pencil would be a really nice addition. Yeah, i think if you've got an ipad pro it's the only choice yeah unfortunately if that if that um if that other uh the the crayon crayon thing was available widely i would say that would be worth looking at but it only works with the one ipad and isn't available widely so i would say it needs to be the apple pencil it's totally worth it it is but it only works with the one iPad and isn't available widely. So I would say it needs to be the Apple Pencil. It's totally worth it. It functions so much better

than all of the other ones do. And if you've got an iPad Pro, then it's made for it. Jason, Mike has asked if either of us have a favorite sports score app for the Apple Watch that updates information in a complication. He currently uses Sports Alert alert but this doesn't

work very well do you have anything that you use i have nothing but do you use anything like this or have you seen anything like this um i don't uh i have been disappointed with the sports apps that i've used on apple watch because they don't update reliably um so i don't i don't have any suggestions here, unfortunately. Sorry, Mike. There may be a good thing for Mike coming in WatchOS 5, though, because one of the Siri watch face improvements is live sports scores. So you'll be able to kind of somehow tell the OS

what your favorite sports teams groups are. Spoken like a true sport fan. Sports lover. You can kind of tell it what your favorites are. It will understand from what you're asking it, and it will update the information for you. Can we reveal that you're such a big sports fan that during your wedding reception,

the England World Cup semifinal or quarterfinal match was going on? Yeah. we reveal that you're such a big sports fan that during your wedding reception the england world world cup semi-final or quarterfinal match was going on yeah simultaneously with your wedding reception and there was no tv for anybody to watch and no tv for anyone to watch it it was it was actually some of it on my phone our wedding planner asked if we wanted to put a tv in the room and i said no uh because my thinking was if people want to look at it on their phone they can do that but i'm not taking the uh i'm not going to take the attention away from our wedding because it would more people would be interested in watching the football if there was a tv in the room than there are if there weren't and the people who cared you know first off it was on the bbc you could literally just stream it um

and then i like i was talking to shahid about uh about it i gave him score updates and he was happy he was so nervous because you know i'm i'm an american i'm i i'm pulling for england and that's great but it's you know it's not my country um but shahid was like super nervous about it and so i was i was able to give him he like didn't he was like i don't even want to watch it like i just so i gave him some scoring updates and it wasn't that exciting a game apparently and england won two nil and it was all fine but i'm just saying sport not your thing but yeah i know that there were some people who are watching it on their phones and stuff like that and i was totally

cool with that but i wasn't gonna turn my wedding day over to the football. But I have heard, though, Jason, that it's coming home, football. It's coming home. Apparently. Apparently the football has been traveling around a lot. It's got a bunch of stickers on it from various locations. And, yeah, it needs to come home and do some laundry. Yep, because there's just no more football.

Anyway, Frank, final ask-up, great question. If new iPads with Face ID are announced in 2018, how do you suppose Apple will address the fact that today's Face ID requires portrait orientation? So I'd seen a tweet fly by sometime during the WWDC madness, right, that occurs, with a slide on an ARKit session that was talking about using the TrueDepth camera for face tracking.

And it mentioned about multiple orientations. So in ARKit, the new version of ARKit, you could work out a face in multiple orientations. And I thought to myself, hmm, how? Because it can't do that, right id can't do it but the true depth camera is face id so i thought that was very interesting this isn't necessarily saying that face id will be able to work in landscape but it most certainly hints at a possibility for it which i believe is the only way they can put this into the iPad. It has to work in landscape or portrait. I do not believe they're going to put multiple cameras on it

because in theory you would then need to put four because you can use the iPad in all four orientations, and that's a normal thing. So I'm expecting that's the case, and I'm very confident about the fact that there will be an uh an ipad with face id uh in it this year there's because steve trant smith and mr rambo's previously mentioned earlier in the show they've both found hints so uh steve found something called avatar kit in baked into the ipads version of ios avatar kit is the view that you see Animoji in

when you look at all the Animoji at once. That's somehow referred to as AvatarKit, somewhere in the system. And Guillermo Rambo found Face ID setup UI for iPad. So it's all in there. They're going to do it. And I believe it's going to be this year. Yeah.

So the answer to Frank is, how will they do it and i believe it's gonna be this this year yeah so that the answer to frank is um how will they do it they will they will make sure that the hardware and software will support either orientation on ipad that's how they will do it and there will be a notch and we know there will be a notch because if you look at ios 12 you can see that apple is very very much pushed all status data to the corners already but i added a date though which is like my favorite thing i love it i like that too so we'll see but it certainly looks like all signs are pointing toward toward that and i agree with you i have a hard time believing that they're going to ship it and say nope every time you want to unlock your ipad you must hold it upright even if it's in the smart keyboard nope you got to hold it upright to unlock it it i just they're not going to do that no it would

be bananas or multiple cameras seems silly to me yeah that seems like a waste of because you think of how expensive that that you know i mean one it said one of the reasons that the iphone 10 costs it what it costs is because of all the sensors and all the technology. What, are they going to put two or four of those in there? Sell the iPad for $4,000? I don't think so. I just imagine they have to at some point make this work in multiple orientations, right?

And I figure that they would not release an iPad with the Face ID before they do this because it would be nice, but it is not imperative that they do this. There would be nice but it is not imperative that they do this like there are there are lots of other hardware changes you could make to make ipads nicer before you put face id on them as much as i want it but like you don't have to do it this year if you can't get the orientation stuff right so i'm confident so um because this is the last episode of any show that I'm going to be on, in real time at least, between now and the beginning of August,

and it's the only show I'm recording after the fact that I got the fact after the event in which I got married, I figured that we may as well talk a little bit about my wedding today for anybody that is so inclined to be interested. Yeah, it's a good idea. talk a little bit about my wedding today for anybody that is so inclined to be interested. So, we're going to do a Mike at the Movie style, Mike at the Matrimony after this break. We're not going to talk about any more tech stuff today. So, if you're not interested in hearing about my wedding, which I totally understand

because whatever, you can come back next time. We've got a bunch of amazing other stuff planned throughout the rest of the Summer of Fun. We have some surprise guests here or there, some special episodes here or there. We've put together some really fun stuff that we've been working on for a while. So the rest of the Summer of Fun is going to be a lot of fun for everyone. Yeah, there will be a surprise guest or three.

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Squarespace, make your next move, make your next website. So it is Tuesday today and I got married on Saturday and it was a wonderful affair. We had 100 guests for the whole day

and we had like an additional maybe five or 10 people that joined us in the evening portion. And we had like an additional maybe 5 or 10 people that joined us in the evening portion. We had two venues. We had a beautiful venue, which was this old chapel, which used to be a chapel. Now it's like an event space, but it was all kind of beautifully run down.

It was wonderful. And then we put everybody on some two double-decker buses and we took them over to a bar restaurant that we'd hired out over in central London. Everything went perfectly. It was an amazing day for many reasons. I loved having pretty much all of my family and friends in one place. Never happened before.

Even to just have all of the friends that i had there has never happened before it's the first time you met brad right yes i think so right so like stuff like that like just so many people that i had never had interacted with each other um which was wonderful and that made the day even more special for me that I could stand and I was giving my speech at the mealtime and was able to see all of my family and friends and everyone got to meet my mom. And yeah, it was an absolutely wonderful day.

It was lovely to have everyone in town. We did a bunch of things. We went on a London Eye together and stuff like that. It was nice to be able in town did a bunch of things, we went on a London Eye together and stuff like that it was nice to be able to see my friends in person and not have jet lag because that doesn't happen very much everybody else had it, which was funny

we've had lovely weather in London maybe a little on the hot side in places but I prefer that to it raining I prefer it being hot because we could deal with that a lot easier and it didn't affect most of the day. I did laugh when I removed all of our raincoats from the bottom of our suitcase this morning. That we were in Europe for two weeks and we're not rained on at all. Nope.

Nor were we really ever cold. One of the first mornings in Amsterdam, we were sitting in a plaza in the shade and we put on our sweatshirts. And after that, that was it. We didn't put the sweatshirts on again until we were on the plane. Yeah. And I was overwhelmed by everything. Still am a little bit. I'm still kind of trying to get my head around it all.

little bit i'm still kind of trying to get my head around it all like even just you know we we posted some like a couple of pictures and stuff and um people everyone's being so nice like just so many hundreds of comments and stuff congratulations like i don't even know what to do with them all like i've i've read them all but it it's impossible to communicate at that scale. It's been a wonderful few days. I'm riding a real high right now, as you can imagine. I love Idina very much, obviously. It was just nice for us to be able to celebrate our relationship with all the people we care about it was uh you know as it

should be was just a wonderful day it was wonderful so yeah yeah yeah it was it was great it was uh it was a great group it was literally i mean it wasn't every relay host, but it was a good number of relay hosts. It was a large host. I think pretty much everyone that I host a show with at least was there, and more so, you know? Yeah. We're waiting on pictures. We'll be sharing more pictures once we have them. We're waiting on, like, the photographers' photos, you know,

to come through and share some of them. Although if you follow me and John Syracusa and marco and tiff arment yeah and you know and casey lists and if you follow those people on instagram especially you you've gotten a pretty good sense yeah everybody's been posting stuff which of course is cool to you know like we had no problem with that but like we waited though we waited for you to like open the flood there's a funny moment where so basically anyone that's listened to the stuff me talking about this stuff for a while we kind of just decided that we would keep all of this stuff

to ourselves because it was our day right like we just wanted to keep the locations and the date and all that kind of stuff to ourselves and it was really funny like as people were starting to like arrive in London there was like triangulation right like this person's coming from this side you know and like that was quite fun it's like people working out like when it was going to be

and then we sit down for dinner and nobody's really posted anything right and that wasn't like in my mind like as long as people weren't necessarily like saying oh we're here right like it's such and such place i had no problem people posting pictures but i sat down and we were kind of just finishing our uh starters or something at the meal and i thought to myself me and adina should i want to i want to post a selfie so we took a picture of ourselves and announce ourselves to the world as mr and mrs hurley because she's going to be adina hurley now um and i posted it and then all of a sudden i start getting tagged in photos on instagram because everybody else is just kind of like looking on instagram or wanting to post stuff is seeing that we've posted it so now people can stop we're starting to post their pictures that was really fun and it was

another moment as well like where uh everybody was leaving after the party was over and like i could see like people were in like taxis or on trains and stuff and they're kind of like traveling back and then they start posting their own pictures of the day uh and there was somebody who tweeted at me which really made me laugh said like you see the embargo was lifted because it was just like you and federico and steven and like um like lots of people tweeting about it's really fun um and it's you know it has been i found a new feature on instagram which i didn't know exist you can you can there's a little uh like a bookmark icon on the bottom right hand corner of images right like it sits underneath the image and you can hit that and it saves it to a private

like it bookmarks it for you privately but you can also create collections of images so as all of my friends have been posting their photos on instagram of like either being at the wedding or being in London or of the like other events that they've done with like other groups of our friends and stuff. I've been saving them all to a private collection, which nobody can see them. They can't be shared. It's just for me of just our wedding. So I have this whole like thing on Instagram of just these pictures that our friends have been taking. It's really nice. And I love being able now to look through and see it

all and i can't wait for all of our official photos to come through and like to look through and see everyone we had a we had a photo booth which was really fun um and so everyone got to get pictures and they were printed out for them but then we also have this book which i actually didn't know that the photo booth company provided but every time somebody took pictures in the booth an extra copy was taken off and was glued in a book for us and then people wrote messages in and that is that is a cherished possession of mine now isn't that a great that was i mean instead of like signing a guest book or something like that it was the the uh the guy with a photo booth and he would he would glue a picture after it came you'd get one for everybody who was in the booth plus the extra.

And the extra went in the book. And then they handed you a Sharpie, basically, a big felt marker. And we got to write little messages to you. And that was fun. And you and I went in the photo booth, which was hilarious. I got my Mexican wrestler, my Lucha Libre mask. And you had, I don't even know what you had. It was like some kind of like old theater mask. Like, I don't even know what you had it was like a uh some kind of like old theater mask

like a i don't know they've got a name oh yeah it was the creepy one with the long nose long curve nose yeah that was super creepy but that that those are fun because it's sort of like number one we don't know what we're doing number two we have a pose number three we're completely confused and number four we just just are smiling yeah but that was a lot of fun my my kids did them yes they're great i got a picture signed by literally as they say in the book for snail children which was fun yes um and we are going to be at some point in over the next week we're going to get digital images so every photo was taken in the in the photo book they sent to us so we have them digitally as well so awesome we

can share them with with the people that took them so that's going to be fun too you know i'm very clearly emotionally overwhelmed right now you could probably hear that throughout the show today that i am not at maybe my usual energy level uh because kind of in every way like every type of energy I have has been depleted. My physical and emotional energy is gone in the best possible way because we had an incredible day, which is super busy and full of dancing, right? And then I have seen so many people and have been wanting to spend as much time with people as I can, family and friends. And that is a very overwhelming thing, but has led to the greatest week of my life.

Like this is absolutely perfect. You know, I, everything was incredible. And now we're about to go and have our reward, which is sitting on a beach, you know? So yeah yeah it's been incredible uh thank you to um everyone for their wonderful well wishes i can tell you it is another thing which is in the best possible way overwhelming you know like i posted i mean look it's i don't really want to sound like a tool but like I posted our picture

on Instagram and like I opened my phone again like 20 minutes later or something and it had over a thousand likes oh my gosh I've never you know kind of the most likes on any image I've ever had before was like 1600 or something which is the picture of

Tim Cook with the Apple watch but like this is getting up to like 4000 now which is mind-boggling to me like to think that this amount of people uh care is wonderful um it makes everything it generally does makes everything that little bit sweeter you know because like to think that people are like you know the people that are in the room are happy for you right like that's the same as any wedding you know you those people are there they're happy for you but to see all of these other people to be happy for you is like it's wonderful so yeah that's it was a wonder yeah it was a wonderful time it was wonderful to see all those people it was fun to be on your home turf instead of having you be over here to have all of us, yes, dealing with the jet lag. Although I was very happy to not have jet lag because I

came, this was the end of my two week long European vacation with my family. So we were, it was so great to walk down streets in London and not be like, hazy jet lag feeling that I usually have when I go straight to London. And to see all those people, so many interesting people, people I know, people I, I knew on the internet, but hadn't met in person. Um, that was a lot, that was really great. At one point, don't dream it's over was playing, uh, on the, on the sound system. And I, I chuckled at that because it was the, uh, I, I went back to when you and I talked about that album on inquisitive and you gave me the classic line i knew those songs because my mom had that

cd uh it's always always a good one um yeah it was it was yeah it was just an amazing collection of people it's so rare that those happen uh when you get everybody together like that and so it's for a special occasion but it's wonderful for all of us to to have been there and to have uh shared that with you and my only question is so where do we all meet up again in two or three months because we're doing this now right we're just gonna always sure a bunch of us are just gonna show up in a city somewhere and uh visit with each other well i'm gonna see you in like two weeks so that's true you and i will uh we have another again we're gonna there needs to doesn't need to be a reddit thread about trying to plot where mike's honeymoon is please oh no we said that it's where we're going to hawaii and we're

going for san francisco i've spoken about it on that okay that's fine that's good because there was there was literally a reddit thread trying to triangulate your wedding date yeah um they got they got it too they got it it's people get married on saturdays it's it's not that hard um yeah so we'll we'll uh we get to see you because you're going to be passing through San Francisco to and from the honeymoon. So that'll be fun. But yeah, it's just funny because there have been these milestones

of sort of like, you know, get to see people for WWDC and the wedding and all that. And now, you know, it was very special. I would love that to happen more often, but obviously we're all scattered all over the world, so it doesn't get to happen as often. But this was a great time. And you know what? Here's the amazing thing.

My kids had a pretty good time, too. My son was a little bored. I've been bored at weddings as a kid, too, and I know it, but my daughter had a great time. I was very pleased about that, actually, because it looked like she did. Because I was worried that some of the older kids wouldn't have fun. So I was really happy that she did, because it looked like she did, and I was really pleased about that actually because it looked like she did because i was worried that some of the older kids wouldn't have fun um so i was really happy that she did because it looked like she did and

i was really pleased about once once the music started like she knows all the songs good i have if i passed anything to my daughter except the romanian songs it is a love for well yeah at that point at that point we followed james thompson who literally brought a chair out onto the street and sat down outside um the Romanian song started. And we're like, okay, we'll just listen from out here. But yeah, she was really into it. So that was great too. That was a lot of fun to be there and have my family get to share that with you and your

family. So it was pretty awesome. Yeah, it was wonderful. If you have enjoyed hearing me talk about my life for whatever reason, and you've not listened to Analog before, you should go listen to Anal whole podcast about it you can go back if you want to and listen to the entire like planning of this wedding and all the ups and downs it's all in there um and i'll be uh i'm not obviously not gonna casey's gonna be real upset because this is like prime analog stuff i know but i'm not gonna i'm not gonna be back on the show for many many weeks

so i figured i'd do this today and i'll talk to him about my honeymoon how about that all right thank you so much for listening thanks so much to our sponsors mail route backblaze and squarespace if you want to get involved the show hashtag snell talk hashtag ask upgrade for your opening questions and your technology questions at the end you You can find Jason. He hosts many shows at RelayFM. Go to relay.fm.shows and you can see this show and many more. You can find Jason over at sixcolors.com, theincomparable.com

and he's at jsnell on Twitter. I am at imyke. I-M-Y-K-E. Jason will be back next time. I don't know what I won't be, but you might hear me. Who knows? Or will you? Who knows?

Who knows? Maybe some surprises in store. We'll find out. It's the great mystery of the summer of fun. But until then, have a good honeymoon, Mike Hurley, and say goodbye. Goodbye, Mike Hurley. Goodbye, everybody.