Upgrade - 375: My Watch Is My Cake

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

Apple Watch Series 7 pre-orders lead to more Apple color confusion, Apple's App Store rules may need to skate to a puck that's headed for a courtroom, and Myke takes his iPad mini on a train.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode 375 today's show is brought to you by door dash gabby and hunter douglas my name is mike hurley and i am joined by jason snow hi jason snow hi mike hurley it's good to be here so i was about to do something really weird and introduce you as Brad Dowdy. Don't know why. Pens. But I was about to do that. That was very strange. Pens. But here we are. Hashtag Snell Talk question comes from Luke. Luke says,

Happy birthday, Jason. What cake did you get? I will also say, Happy birthday, Jason. Thank you. It was last week. I didn't get cake. Sorry, Luke. I don't love cake kicks okay cake cake's fine i feel like when it says cake for birthday cake is like not really cake in my mind he's saying the cake is a lie yes the cake is a lie and the truth is like what is the typical dessert or thing that you shared with people for your birthday?

So my lovely wife got me a fancy bottle of beer, like one of those Belgian bottles with the cork. The big heavy glass Belgian, you know, big bottle and hid it in our refrigerator. And I don't know. She said, I hid it. I said, where? She said, I'm not telling you. Which is great. I have literally no idea how she hid it in the refrigerator. There's a secret door in your fridge. Because it was chilled. Yeah, I don't know.

I got that. That was a nice birthday beer. And she also got some ice cream from a local ice cream place. So your cake was beer and ice cream that's you know yes in fact in general my cake is beer and ice cream so that's perfect if you'd like to send in a question for us to start off the show with just send out a tweet with the hashtag snow talk or use question mark snow talk in the relay fm members discord i have some follow-. I want to talk about iPad Mini on a train which made me

think of snakes on a plane. So somebody's got to get all these iPad Minis off this train. I was thinking like strangers on a train like a spy thing like two iPad Minis meet and do they exchange an airdrop? No one will know. When you pull into a siding briefly

is there a surreptitious airdrop with a contact on the outside and then you move on and no one knows that it happened i was on a train for a few hours over the weekend okay i had my ipad mini with me and i wanted to just get some work done on it and i just wanted to observe like a some a different kind of use case for me with this device that i've been using you know like a kind of traveling thing because i could imagine this gave me the know, like a kind of traveling thing. Because I can imagine this gave me the idea of like a big chunk of time in a seat, little table, you know, so like insert your method of travel here could also be equally for a plane, maybe even a boat. I don't know. So obviously, many of the advantages of the iPad mini carry over really compact, right? So very nice and easy for the reading portions of what I was

doing and, you know, all of that kind of stuff. And it's very easy to get work done on it because it is an iPad that runs iPadOS 15. It has all of my apps, right? Like all the stuff, you know. But the one thing that I noticed for like what needing to work on it for like a three hour stretch and actually doing work is, unlike other iPads, you have to hold this one the whole time. So with the iPad Pro or even iPad Air or the regular iPad, you can have some kind of keyboard that it goes in.

And so you can put it down and type on it, but you're not holding it. It's on the table. That doesn't work with this iPad. You have to hold it. Now, if you're not holding it. It's on the table. That doesn't work with this iPad. You have to hold it. Now, if you're watching something or reading something, you can use the smart folio thing and prop it up. But if you need to type or interact,

you're holding it for the whole time. Now, obviously, it's really thin and really light, so that makes it easy. But it's just a different trade-off than what I had thought of. Because of all the work I've been doing on it currently, currently is just like little bits and bobs here and there. I'm at home. It's like a different kind of thing.

But this is like, no, I'm sitting down with this for a couple of hours. And I'm going to do email. I'm going to do some calendar stuff. I'm going to do some prep for the show. You know, like just a full-on work block. And I just realized like halfway through, it's's like i can't put this down to do the work on it yeah yeah it's true i mean ergonomics are a huge issue when it comes to devices like this and and it's just a different kind of ergonomic experience and you get some

good stuff out of it right but but i've had that same thing where i i realized why does this feel weird and i realize it's because i'm holding it and thumb typing and i'm like oh this is like i tried putting it down and typing on the keyboard but it's flat it just didn't work in the way that i wanted like it didn't it didn't feel so good so it's just like i realized like oh right because the ipads i've been used to using for like the last five years they kind of come with a stand as well as the keyboard so like when you're typing you're not holding it. The table's holding it for you. So it was just something I wanted to share because it's an experience

I haven't had in a very long time and definitely haven't had with this product. Yeah, that's good. It is a different kind of product, right? And it has a lot of, I think that size has a lot of advantages, but it's not, if it did everything that every iPad did,

it would be the greatest iPad ever, but it's not. There are trade-offs for that stuff. Let's talk about some macro photography stuff. Got two little things about macro photography. One of them is that iOS 15.1, the beta version, has added an option for the,

to turn off the automatic macro switching thing. So if you have an iPhone 13 Pro and you go very close to something, it switches over to the ultra wide so you can take macro photography. It's now going to be possible in 15.1 to turn off this behavior so it won't do the switching anymore. So you can move the camera close to something and it's not going to switch over to the ultra wide. close to something and it's not going to switch over to the ultra wide and then the way that you would take a macro photo is to change to the ultra wide camera and then just use tap to focus on the object i'm not sure this is the way i would have done this but i think i will appreciate this, it not doing the automatic switching. So I will change it.

For me, I would have actually just had a button, which quite clearly was zero macro mode now, but maybe they don't want to add even more buttons. I don't know. I like the idea of you not knowing what mode you're in. The problem was that Apple couldn't pull off the magic trick, right? Like the shift in cameras is too visible. Because you're no longer, every time it shifts,

you have to physically move your phone to get the thing back into what you want it to be again. Yeah, it's like a parallax change because you're close and you're changing lenses. And so it's it you know it's coming through a different portal that's slightly over and it totally changes the location plus i know people have reported like the color balance is not exactly the same and it ends up being like a very disconcerting thing like you should if they could pull it off as a magic trick it would

be great but they they tried and it it didn't work so i will be happy for that uh and so i can have a bit more manual control over it but i also wanted to mention halide uh the camera application in version 2.5 they've added a macro mode that can be used on any device from the iphone 8 or newer and they're doing they've got a couple of different things going on here. One is basically get super close to something, focus on it, and they're going to use machine learning to enhance the image.

So even on phones without an ultrawide or without an ultrawide with autofocus, like the new ones that can do the macro photography, they're kind of enabling a macro mode, which I think is really awesome. So I haven't been able to test it on a device that doesn't have the ultrawide. Okay. What have you thought so far?

You know, it's a nice trick, but I wasn't super impressed with it. It's not the same quality as having the camera. And I appreciate the idea that they're using ML up resolution to make it seem better and enhanced. And that's nice. I feel like this is how Apple would do it if they wanted to bring a fake macro mode to old phones, which they didn't. They didn't do that. But if they did, this is what it would look like. I think, though, my reaction was a little bit like, I know why they didn't do it.

Because, you know, you can't get that close close because the camera won't let you get that close you can control the focus which is good and you can get a focus eventually that you want and then it'll do its ml up res thing that it does and you'll get something out of it but this feels more like an encouragement by halide to get people, even with older phones, to start playing around with macro photography. But it didn't blow me away. I was sort of like, well, this is kind of a fun trick that gets us talking about Halide. But it's not the same as what Apple is implementing with the phone. I'm sure Halide would tell you, of course, it isn't. as what Apple is implementing with the phone. I'm sure Halide would tell you, of course, it isn't. But I worry this is maybe overhyping it a little bit much because I was not super impressed with it. It is exactly what I thought it would be,

which is you still have to deal with all of the focal length limitations of the iPhone, but you have a little more control over them because it's Halide, and then they do this machine learning up-res thing that they do um it was fine i think the real like i appreciate that because i didn't have the opportunity to test that for me though the real winner in this update is focus control of the ultra wide for the macro mode on the pro phones yeah Yeah. So phones that can't do, the phones that can't have the macro mode support, you can adjust the focus yourself, which I really appreciate.

So that's a fun thing for me with trying out this stuff. Because macro focus is very specific. And so if you want to have a slightly different focus, yeah, no, Halide's a fantastic app. Super good. You know, don't go get it just because you don't have a new phone and you want macro mode like the new phone because it doesn't really do that. But it does a lot of other great stuff.

I love that app. Yeah. So it allows you to do much more tweaking. And so I think I would see myself using it for that. But as you say, it's not magic, right? There's only so much it can do. But if you do have one of the phones with the macro mode i recommend trying this out because i've actually been able to get some pretty good shots with halide that i can't get with apple's camera app because i have more

manual control over what's in focus and what isn't so super cool this is an upstream headlines where we talk about some of the things going on in the streaming media world. A couple of things. Oh, Foundation. So Apple's new show, which I've yet to watch yet, but I'm going to. I'm letting it build up. I've watched the first three. I think there are four out now.

I've watched the first three. I like it. It hits every sweet spot for me in terms of sci-fi shows that I like. It's a slow build. It's got broad implications. It's got broad implications. It's telling. It's sort of out of time sequence. It's an epic.

It's got some interesting performances. It looks like a million bucks. Correction, it looks like 10 million bucks per episode. It's very expensive. I think the showrunner said two episodes. The budget for two episodes is more than any movie he's ever worked on. Yeah, it's it's a very expensive show but it looks great and i've i've really enjoyed it so far apple's

announced they're renewing it for a second season that's why i brought it up yeah and i i think it's funny because a bunch of industry like reporter type people and analyst type people that i follow on twitter um i think specifically kim masters at the ho Hollywood Reporter, but I saw several people who were like, yeah, this is like PR. That everybody knew Foundation had a multi-season commitment. This would have been wild to do once. This feels like it's the season two announcement. Yes. But is it really a renewal?

And I mean, unless you've seen the contract, I guess you don't know for sure. It's possible that they didn't straight up buy a second season. But I would bet you that they had a penalty attached to not buying a second season out. Apple's canceled, I think, two shows so far. And so, of course, you don't put money like this into this thing unless you look at the stats and see that it's a complete disaster and you need to pay to get out of the deal. Also, it allows Apple to put out a press release and call it a hit, even though they didn't actually release any data of any kind. And I also saw some commentary in the TV and entertainment industry analyst sphere about how people really need to not quote Apple press releases about this stuff. Yes. Or any streamers' press releases about this stuff where they claim it's a hit, it's a global phenomenon, all these things without any data at all, because you're just carrying their water at that point.

We don't know anything about whether Foundation is doing better or worse than Apple expected. All we know is that they renewed it, which everybody apparently already knew they were going to do. And they said, right? Like, it's enough that they want to say it's successful, but that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, they may be going through the motions here um because it's good for pr to do this even though everything you know it literally didn't matter what the data said this is the same press release they would put out timed at the time that they did to point out that foundation

is coming back but i like the show so far so i'm glad it's coming back and Apple's going to spend more money. Brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso was on Seth Meyers' show on NBC last week. And the moment that I thought was very funny from a meta perspective, an upstream perspective, was he talked about writing the scene in season two of Ted Lasso where, I'm not spoiling anything here. Roy Kent has a conversation with Jamie Tartt and he said, I wrote that scene knowing it was going to cost Apple a lot of money because every time I'm in a scene with him

I can't stop laughing and so it's going to take days to shoot that because we, you know, and that's why we didn't put Jamie and Roy in too many scenes together because it would cost too much money because we we just apparently they just make each other laugh and it ruins the shots and stuff like that but i i think i've seen a recurring theme for a lot of people who work on apple tv plus shows where they make mention of the fact that apple is

spending a lot of money on them i think that i do get the feeling in in in the entertainment world that people like to make fun of it like because they know apple has so much money and it maybe kind of feels like maybe they get more money than maybe they would otherwise so maybe people people like to talk about it i don't know but there is i agree there is there is this thing about money like is it that apple were very stingy i don't know or maybe but yeah but i do see that a lot uh just on foundation uh the showrunner david s goyer apparently said that they have enough for eight seasons like that was the original pitch to apple so we'll say yeah for that that's the whole isaac asmoth outline i'm sure you know dream big dream big there is going

to be a wandavision spinoff coming to disney plus focused on agatha harkness which is absolutely fantastic i was so happy to see this news because look the entire internet like absolutely fell in love with katherine han's portrayal of that character and i'm really pleased to see that that that disney are rewarding that success with a show entirely about that character. So that's super cool. Yeah. A little while ago, we spoke about Apple trying to buy up some property in Culver City to build their own studios.

And Apple has now acquired more than 550,000 square feet for a campus. Apple is saying it is going to be a mixed use facility but they're not saying anything more at this time it seems pretty clear that they're going to build some sound stages there because otherwise that is just a very large campus for like what i don't know what but so yeah i mean that that's we've read about their goals of getting you know buying property and potentially even buying studio lots in order to have studio space because studio space is at a premium. And so now it looks like they're going to, they've succeeded in getting enough land to put their own in Apple studios or whatever. Maybe they'll, I don't know.

I don't know what else will be there. They're going to move the Apple fitness people there. Probably not. Probably not. And I also just want to recommend episode one of downstream is out now with jason and julia and i listened to it last night i finished it off and i really loved it uh if you enjoy this segment dear listener you will really like downstream so please go and check it out yeah that's been a lot of fun it's every two weeks so it's not too much added to your podcast queue this episode of upgrade is brought to you by DoorDash. Did you forget that one thing at the store yesterday? Well, now you can get snacks, drinks, and household essentials delivered to your home in 30 minutes with DoorDash.

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order with doordash subject to change terms apply our thanks to doordash for their support of this show and relay fm so apple watch pre-orders have mostly. Well, it's been available since Friday. Yeah. Did you pre-order? I know that you said you might just wait and try and get it at the store. Did you actually make a pre-order? I did make a pre-order. My thought there is that pre-orders can be canceled for quite a while.

And mine isn't shipping until November, early November, I think. So I've got time to find it if it is in a nearby store uh you know i if i have second thoughts whatever i've got that but i did decide ultimately on at some point on friday that i would at least put something in there uh to have an order um so i ordered titanium i'm going i'm treating myself. Treat yourself. Treat yourself, Jason. This is my cake. This is my cake. My watch is my cake.

My watch is my cake this year. So I decided to treat myself titanium. I've never had a watch that wasn't just the cheapest Apple Watch, aluminum Apple Watch. Never. Have you worn? You've worn the other ones though, right? So you know the weight. You know they're heavier.

I've seen them. Well, the titanium is light because it's titanium. The stainless, Lauren had a stainless, and I think series one, and it was heavy. It was nice, but it was heavy, and I don't want that. Titanium's lighter and still has this kind of like nicer looking. Space black titanium. Space black titanium, yeah.

That's right. How much blacker could it be? None more black. Space black. No, it definitely could be more black. Yeah, it could be. They're mostly gray. I think the black stainless steel is like actual black.

Well, we'll get to that in a minute. That doesn't exist anymore. No, I thought they had the fancy coating black stainless steel. Do they not? Not anymore. Oh, well, the colors are. We're going to talk about colors again today. Stay tuned to the colors are segment, which is coming up.

And then maybe our new podcast colors are. So 45 millimeter. Yeah. The big one. Because I've always had the big one. Because unlike many, surprisingly many podcast hosts in this sphere, I do not have spindly chicken arms. I can wear the larger watch.

Oh my God. Jason's throwing it down. Spindly chicken arms is what he says. Hi, Casey. Okay. That was just for Casey. Every time I listen, I am amazed that I hear, especially it's Casey and Marker, right, who are both like, oh, the big watch, it's just too big for my wrist. And I don't understand it.

Casey's a big man. We're like the same height. He's a large man. I don the same height like you know he's a large man yeah i don't get it i and it's fine like again biology everybody nobody gets to pick you get the body that you get so people have preferences you know it's all fine i just i am i'm surprised that so many people who are talking about apple watches in my ears are talking about the little watch instead of the bigger watch so my point is more i'm sorry to disappoint you dear listener i can't tell you that story

i get the big watch every year that's what i do so of course i'll get the big watch um let's talk bands for a second having not bought a premium style uh apple watch before i didn't know this but they pack a bunch of things in like that you just get with the premium watch so one example is i discovered every titanium model seems to come with a gray sport band whether you want it or not and you can't not get it and you still have to pick another band so aha here's the thing for you that's how it seems but it's not and you can't not get it and you still have to pick another band so aha here's a thing for you that's how it seems but it's not entirely true this there has been there the process of buying an apple watch is becoming maddeningly complicated so i didn't want the band that the watch that I ordered, which I'll get to in a minute, came with by default. So if you go to Apple Watch Studio and make a pairing...

I did. I did. Oh, but I then got what I wanted. It didn't come with the one that they suggested. So I went to Apple Watch Studio, and I picked a band that I wanted, and then I continued to order. Oh, Justin, I know why. I know why, because it's an edition. So with the edition ones,

they have the matching band with the pin. So I had this with mine. See, it's fancy. So you get the titanium pin. Little pin on the sport band that I'm never going to wear. On my edition, because I have the white one, right?

The white series five or whatever. My white sport band has a ceramic pin. That's why I like the- So what I want to do is one of two things. Here's the frustration though is I also can't order that watch without a band. Even though there's a band in it, I have to order a second band. Okay. Which again, it's like, okay, but I don't need that band.

And if you're going to make me order one band, so I'm getting two bands when I would be fine with no bands, but I'm getting two bands. I should say titanium is a cellular only, which is fine because I want the cellular one, but I kind of appreciate that if you're going to buy the more expensive watch, Apple is not going to nickel and dime you by saying, oh, no, no, the expensive price starts here. But if you want the cellular one, you got to pay more. It seems like, no, you just get that. That's just, it's a fancy watch. You get all the fancy parts. And for the record, I got a Marigold Solo Loop. So it's like a yellow Solo Loop. I have one Solo Loop, and I wanted another one.

So there, that's what I got. I'm not going to go over spindly chicken arms. I, you know, I've started a feud now, and I was just joking. I just think it's funny that so many podcasts always talk about getting the small watch. Feuds are good for ratings. All right, it's fine for ratings. Yeah.

That's good. Got to pump the ratings. It's sweep season, Jason. Okay. I got the gold stainless steel 45 millimeter. I was able to go into Apple Watch Studio,

as I mentioned, and I changed the band out because it's the, I think was by default was pretty much just the leather, leather, what do they call it? The one with the leather link, I think they call it,

where it's the magnetic one. Magnetic, yeah. That's what I was looking for. It's a nice one. I have one of those. So this is it. So I saw it and I was like, oh, that actually looks pretty cool.

Like I didn't like the color that they had was the default, but I liked the look of that. But what I wanted to do is make sure I could get what I wanted. So I went into the gold stainless and I added the gold Milanese. So that's what was my main order i then added two more bands i went with an abyss blue sport band because i think blue and gold will look nice together i'm not on the loop chain yet um i think i want to try one of those on when i go to the apple store uh because i have not tried it on and i don't want to do the at-home sizing thing.

I want to just try the bands on and find the one that fits for me because I like the braided one. I think the braided one looks really nice. Yeah, it looks great. And I will just say that the kind of

John Gruber-inspired look at how your sport band fits and map it to a size, it does work. I have bought two loops that way and it totally works. But I'm going to the app store to pick it up. I'm not going on launch day. I'm going a couple of days after.

So I'm expecting I might be able to do it. You should have that full retail experience then, especially since you're getting a stainless watch. You'd be like, what size is it, sir? It's a seven. That's really good. I'll get that for you thank you that's just like a butler that i have the apple store yeah it's your it's your watch valet

it's my alfred it's my watch alfred no it's it works for the apple store but it's the watch the watch butler the watch band butler really okay that's who that is and i also got a midnight uh leather link which i thought looked really nice. The dark, bluey black and the gold. Because for me, it was like I think I'm on the every two to three years now for the Apple Watch. Sure. I don't...

I finally found the product for me where I don't feel the need to upgrade it frequently. And also some products I might upgrade or might not, depending on if i think it's worth it for the coverage of the shows and stuff uh the apple watch i'm not sure about but for me considering i am now like all in somewhat begrudgingly somewhat not wearing my watch all the time i want to have more options to dress it up and dress it down than i do currently and i

think i've got i run the gamut with these three. Because as well, the bands that I already have, they're not going to work for me with a gold stainless steel watch. Like I don't think that it will work in the way that I have been where I previously had just the sport ones. So they were bright and colorful. You know, I had the silver watch

and then with the white one, it just works because white is plain. But gold stainless steel is not going to be. Anyway, my watch was available. I'm picking it up on next weekend. I could have picked it up on Friday, but I'm not going to be around. So I went through this whole

process and I was like milling around in the Apple Store app, just choosing what I wanted because, you know, I was like, oh, let me go look at this band, let me go look at that band. I didn't think it was going to be any issue. And then when I was done, just like looking through texts with friends and stuff, I don't know anyone that's getting one on launch day.

Huh. Because it seems like a lot of people went for titanium or the other stainless steels. And it seems like everybody that I know is getting their watches in November. So I think availability has seemed sporadic at best for the

Apple Watch. There's something going on with the Apple Watch this year. I'm not sure what it is. For example, it was impossible to know all of the colors until pre-orders open on Friday. You couldn't find it anywhere.

And I find that to be really interesting. Also, I don't know if this is normal, but there have been no reviews published about this Apple Watch. Well, it's early yet. I think this will be the week that that happens. I don't know when exactly. I don't remember what happens with the watch

if they do do it this way. I think maybe last year it was this way too, that the reviews came after purchase date, like pre-order date, which is not... Is that normal for iPhones? Do they come after pre-order date? Yeah. Yeah? Okay.

So you're probably right, that would be this week. There's been none as of yet, but it probably will be this week. So it seems like there might be an availability thing going on here, because a lot of the watches seem to be not available. And now, if you look for any of them, you're looking into November 4 now as well. But we want to talk about colors again. So, we knew this, we've spoken about this a little bit. The aluminium watches this year, the colours are a bit of a mixed bag, I think, right?

There's not, I think a lot of people were surprised when going to order their watches that there isn't like a safe default colour anymore. There's no silver, right? There's no black. It's like kind of black and kind of silver. And I can understand if you were looking for an aluminum watch that this would be frustrating. I know if I was buying, if I wanted to get an aluminum Apple watch, like that was all I wanted. I don't, just looking at the Apple store page, I don't think I could choose any of those colors. Maybe seeing some of them in person might change it. But like, I know, as I said't, just looking at the Apple store page, I don't think I could choose any of those colors.

Maybe seeing some of them in person might change it. But like, I know, as I said before, I wouldn't want the green, red or blue. That's for sure. So then I'd be choosing between starlight and midnight. And I don't think it's as simple a choice as silver and gray or black as it was before. Yeah, you get midnight star uh midnight starlight blue green red but all the you know but no silver because starlight is the new silver and midnight is

the new black remember and that's okay except that um people like silver right and people like black and you know people don't like change i get it um and also there's like color is very personal and people have bought watch bands and they like and that's the look of a particular it is it is a thing you wear on your wrist and it's a it's a fashion element to it and apple has swept away you know silver and black or silver and space gray and replace them with midnight and starlight and they're not the same it's like if you have been if you've collected your watch bands they have compatibility which is awesome but now the colors might not work it's like there's a bunch of people i think even mac room has ended up collecting a bunch of these tweets together

and publishing an article about it of like well if you have say the link bracelet well and you want to there kind of isn't any watch that fits with the colors of the link bracelets anymore just pure silver and pure black it's incredibly hard if not impossible to get to buy an apple watch now that fits with that there's definitely no aluminiums and then in stainless steel it starts to get complicated as well like for example if you want a stainless steel black watch which is a thing that used to exist you now need to buy the hermes black stainless steel watch because in stainless steel black has been replaced by uh space graphite graphite so i've changed the color there. But they still offer a black one, but now it's an Hermes one instead.

So your graphite stainless steel case starts at $699 and your space black stainless steel starts at $1359. Woo! You get a nice band, I guess. You get a single tour Hermes band.

Yes, I don't know. I really don't know. band I guess you get a single tour Hermes band yep yes I don't know I really don't know and I also like this thing so in the Mac room as well I read this little quote from Hartley Charlton who put it together Apple effectively now has three separate color palettes for its devices in addition to the pre-existing tonal differences

within the same shade that was common to see in the likes of Space Gray other product lines such as the iPad Pro, MacBook Pro, and HomePod Mini also no longer have any matching colors of the Apple Watch Series 7 or standard iPhone 13 models. This appears to have irked some users who like to have matching colors across multiple devices. Again, it's a fashion. It's an identity thing.

And any color... Like, okay. If this is a color transition, I am more open to the idea that yeah you're going to bug some people when you redefine silver and black or silver and gray as midnight and starlight i get it the problem i have is as we've discussed previously i'm not sure i believe we're going through a color transition it feels to me like it might be the fact that they use Midnight and Starlight as names now suggests that maybe they are starting to create some sort of synced up thing and that the next set of MacBook Pros or MacBooks that come out

will be available in Starlight instead of Silver. Yeah, but i would offer space gray is the issue there where space gray has existed for years and it's always different and and is there is there not going to be a space gray uh uh macbook pro is there going to be a midnight macbook pro that would be kind of cool but i would actually kind of really dig that so so we don't know all the details because Apple's ways are mysterious, but I guess I would say that I don't have a lot of confidence as we've discussed in previous shows.

I don't have a lot of confidence that Apple's color system makes any sense at all. And that they're really going in any direction. And it feels to me like they're kind of flailing because they've got these different colors in different places and that the iMacs look one way and the watches are going another way. And like, what are they doing? And it's unclear to me now what they're doing. But that all said, if by doing Midnight in Starlight, they're basically putting down stakes and saying, going forward, this is what we're doing,

Midnight in Starlight, then so be it, right? You don't have to like it, but at least there's consistency to it, right? You don't have to necessarily agree with it, but at least you can admire that they have a consistent plan. I'm not sure I can do that, right? And so this remains something to watch, but it's frustrating, I think, more than anything else that they are limiting these choices by eliminating kind of older colors that were available. This is my complaint about them making the big deal about that purple iPhone and then not coming up with a purple iPhone 13. Like, yay, it's purple. No, those colors are gone. No more fun colors.

Just, you know, a couple of okay colors and then black and white, whatever. It's distressing to me because it's very chaotic now. And again, perhaps out of this chaos will come an order in that this is just the messy middle as Apple tries to get its color story in place. But I don't have a high degree of confidence in it, even though there are some signs that they may be trying because it still seems like a pretty big mess. And maybe some of this is the products coming out in a different sequence than they really intended because COVID kind of led to lots of production issues that have led to their products coming out at all sorts of different times. Because part of my concern about the MacBook Pros

is if the MacBook Pros that we're expecting in the next few weeks were really meant to come out maybe in June originally, that predates Midnight in Starlight, right? So even if they've got their color game all lined up, their color ducks are in a row, was going to say sure color ducks fine they we may not see it with the macbook pros they may seem like a another confusing regression where they just come in silver and space gray and everybody goes what is going on and the answer

may be what's really going on is this predates our 2021 color redesign that we're starting to roll out. But Apple's going to need to show me that it's got it together a lot more before I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. It seems like a mess. I'm still looking forward to my gold one, though. I am looking forward to titanium. I've, you know, I know people who've had them. And I, again, I just kind of

wanted to treat myself. I should have it for next week so I'll be able to talk about it next week. I won't have had a lot of time with it. I should have, my understanding is that I will probably have an Apple Watch to talk about next week. Not mine, but one that I will be able to temporarily possess that

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in-app payment process system for iOS. So they've announced it now. People can put their name down to get on a list and they can sign up later on. So this has taken advantage of the perceived possibility that Apple will have to change the way that it processes in-app payment stuff

and maybe also to take advantage of what's been going on with the ruling from the Japan Fair Trade Commission thing, you know, like having a link, right? But Paddle have said that they will take 10 of the fee a 10 fee rather than the 30 or 15 for 10 transactions so like if it's uh anything up to um 10 they'll take a 10 fee and it'll be five percent plus a 50 cent fee flat on anything over ten dollars so if it's something over ten dollars take five percent plus 50 cents, which is probably

the card processing fee or whatever. They will offer access to customer data for communication purposes. So email addresses and stuff like that, which Apple does not do. And developers would offer a button in their application. So it would say like, hey, go here and pay. You tap the button. It would take the customer out to the web where they'll complete the transaction which they can do through paypal credit card or apple pay and then developers can integrate everything they need in their apps to ensure that the payment and customer matches up and offer all that kind of stuff obviously paddle i think are playing their hand here, right?

They're the first company in this space that has made a song and dance about having something. Because they're not the only company that could offer this. Stripe could offer this. Revenue Cat could offer this. There are others that could do it. Paddle has been first to say, hey, we are going to have a solution. I think they are anticipating a potential gold rush right yep and so they want to

they want to be there because look these some companies are going to need something right like we're going to talk about the epic thing in a bit but even without that there is going to be a new requirement for payment systems alternate payment systems that some developers may have not needed to think about before. And so you're going to have this one thing, you know, this thing, right? Like this one link, as they say, the one link for signing up,

if you're a reader app, however that will end up working out. So people are going to need something. And if more companies, it's like that kind of thing, like if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes truth, whatever that quote is. Like if enough companies just say, hey, we're going to have a solution for this. Everyone's going to expect that to be a thing.

Right. Maybe it will push Apple. I don't know. I don't know. But it's, you know, they're basically investing time and effort into building this into their system. Which they already do. But they're trying to focus on this. I think anticipating that it may be allowed. And if it's not allowed, that there are going to be

further legal things that come up. And I don't know, I kind of feel like if you are somebody who is doing web transaction processing and you're monitoring what's going on with Apple, you would be making a huge mistake if you weren't preparing for the possibility to win business from app developers if this door opens. But you also would have to be wary of the fact that the door may not open. You don't know. But I don't think, I mean, Paddle made a thing about it because they're also using this for PR, right? They're also trying to get people to pay attention to Paddle.

But, you know, it makes sense, right? Like, and the idea here of how this would work, I mean, we don't know because we don't know how Apple would implement this in terms of what they're going to allow and what they're not going to allow. But if an app developer has the ability to put a button on their site that goes to, or on their app that goes to a paddle page,

essentially saying, buy this thing, and then it redirects you back to the app after the transaction is over and the app goes great i've got your thing confirmed now like that's a big deal so maybe that will happen so i think it's smart to prepare and it's obviously smart for them to roll out pr like this maybe people are getting bored of hearing me say this by now but i'm gonna say it again anyway like after reading this i'm like yeah i should be able to do

this as a customer like i should be able to do this or as a developer like developers should be able to do this like i can't think of a reason myself why this would should not be allowed especially this like going out to a website and doing the transaction. It's not even happening inside of the application. Like there is zero reason, logically, why I should not be able

to make a transaction like this. There is nothing that makes any sense other than the rules Apple created, which don't make sense. And so I hope that this is something that will continue to proliferate. a bit more antitrust related things so japan's fair trade commission is now investigating the overall market dominance of apple and google on mobile and the effects that

that can have so japan's fair trade commission had the thing about iap and that was settled right that's that one link thing that we've yet to see anything more from, but we'll get at some point. Now then, there's a whole separate investigation now. The Dutch Antitrust Authority has ruled that Apple's in-app purchase requirements are anti-competitive. They're talking about the rules around exclusivity of payments and the size of Apple's cut. The Dutch authorities have demanded that Apple make changes to their system and it's currently under further legal review. We have no comments all around from everybody. No one's given any comments.

And Apple has appealed Judge Gonzalez's ruling on changing how IAP could work. The only thing that Apple lost in the EPIC trial, which is the thing that we're all most interested in, which is the idea of them... It was the whole thing that we were talking about, of no one's really sure what this means right but it could mean that maybe in-app purchases would be allowed from other vendors or whatever uh so i'll get a read a quote from mac rumors apple has asked the court for a stay on the permanent injunction that requires it to implement

those changes by december so, Apple is appealing and asking for a delay so they are not going to be forced to make their changes by the end of the year. So Apple is saying they need more time before they make changes to, quote, not upset the balance between developers and customers and to make sure that they're doing things correctly and safely for their users so apple doesn't think it's nothing right yeah they think it's enough to appeal and say please don't make us do this by now well i mean we all knew that that was the case but they're but they're yeah this is the that we want everything except for this one little thing we don't we also don't want that one little thing yeah yeah that was that's the kind of funny thing about it it's like we won but now we're

appealing part of it but we definitely won you didn't see the asterisk there next to we won that leads you to a footnote that refers you to another document that mentions that there's one part where we didn't win oh well so at some point apple is going to say is going to give more information about how people can put this one link in the system, but they've not done it yet. And or what, I mean, I'm still hoping maybe blindly that they are going to have

big app store changes come at some point, but they want to make sure they have the time to do them. Because, and the reason I brought in the thing from Japan and from the Dutch Antitrust Authority, it's just further proof of like,

it's only getting more complicated for them if they keep holding on. Yeah. It's just going to keep happening. This is Apple. I'm sure behind the scenes, Apple is strategizing about what they have to do here. I'm unclear on whether Apple is worried about having to technically implement something

so that they're in line with the orders. Right? Like the idea that, okay, let's get on this and let's have a plan. Like you said, which I think would be, it strikes me as being prudent to say we need to build in a whole bunch of trap doors now that allow us to change this on the fly as different jurisdictions tell us different behaviors right like i think it would be prudent for apple engineering wise to look at the state of affairs right now and say, we need to envision a world where in different locations for different kinds of software, there are different rules, and our system has to adjust to all these things, and we're going to have to build in ways for that to work. Now, app developers who are listening to this are probably

chuckling heartily at the idea that Apple is going to be able to move nimbly with especially their backend systems because the backend systems for developers are kind of horrifyingly not good compared to the software quality that happens in Apple systems that customers see. They're so built on top of, on top of, on top of all things. Yeah. And polish's not a, the polish is not a priority for the stuff that's behind the scenes. If you've ever been backstage at a theater,

right? The front of the theater is all soft fabrics and pretty and all that. And you go backstage and it is completely industrial and awful because it's not for, you know, you work here now, you don't get the, the fancy stuff.

Well, that's what the developer tools are like at, uh, behind the scenes at the app store. Um, the reason I bring this up though, is that would seem to make sense, right? Like, hey, we're in a different environment now. Let's plan. However, I will say, legally, I wonder if Apple wants to be able to claim that it's too hard. And so the other way to go, and I don't know what the legal issues are and what apple's lawyers

would recommend but i can definitely see the argument that somebody might make that says if you make it so that you can flip a switch that to do this thing they'll make you flip a switch but if you make it but if it currently is really hard to do this thing, you can plead hardship and string this out. I would hate that so much. Or limit its appeal. Because I wouldn't believe it. Well, that's the thing, right? Anyone that would allow them to say that, that would just be so frustrating to me.

Right? It's, oh, we're Apple. You don't understand. We're Apple. We can't do things. And they'll be like, really? And that's, right. And that's why I think that there's, that's an interesting strategy thing. Cause I think, um, legal claims being set aside the legal claims for a second. If I'm inside Apple, I, what I don't want to do is get a court order that is basically,

you know, you've got 30 days to implement this feature. So maybe you start planning what you would implement or building in trap doors, like I said, things that you can flip the switch and say, well, now in Korea, this thing now is allowed. You'd think you'd want to prepare like paddle is preparing, right? You'd think you'd want to prepare like paddle is preparing, right? You'd think you'd want to prepare, but Apple's behavior up to now suggests that they are much more obstinate than that. And so I wouldn't put it past them to say, no, no preparing.

We won't prepare until the moment they force us, which I don't know. I wouldn't put it past him, I guess is what I'm saying, but it would seem prudent to be preparing for the fact that we are- You should have been preparing years ago for this. Years ago, but now it has never been more clear. No matter how you feel about these rules and these rulings and what's going on in the current environment, I think it's undeniable that we are entering an age where a bunch of Apple's policies that Apple has been able to make and rule by fiat and just

say, this is the law, we make the law. We are entering an era where that's not going to be true anymore. We're entering an era where regulators and judges are going to tell Apple there are certain things that Apple wants to do that they're not allowed to do. This is Apple's future. Apple, I think you would have to be the biggest optimist, pro-Apple optimist in the world to imagine that Apple's business is not going to be dictated. Business and policies are not going to be at least somewhat dictated by governments and regulators and lawsuits and judges implementing lawsuits.

Like, it's going to happen. It seems very unlikely. Now, it may not happen to the extent we think. And it may happen in surprising areas and not in other surprising areas. I mean, I feel like that's a given, that there's going to be like everything that whatever your number one thing is on your list is like, now this is the thing that Apple does that's really bad. So I'm sure that'll get thrown out. And that one will mark my words, that one will stay. And this minor thing that's like number five on your list,

that one will turn around and you'd be like, why did you turn around that one? Because that's how it works. Stuff like that happens. But anyway, I think it's inevitable. So a good, capable manager inside Apple needs to be thinking about all of that and planning. And Apple needs to be much, you know, planning for the way... The last thing you want is to implement something badly because you're forced to,

because you pretended not to know what was coming. And in the end, if Apple does something bad because a judge tells them to, people aren't going to blame the judge. They're going to blame Apple. And so Apple needs to be ready to move on this stuff, whether they like it or not, and do a good job with it. Because if they do a bad job with it, we're not going to blame the judge. We're not going to blame the regulator. We're going to

blame Apple for doing a bad job and botching it. It's just quite frankly, this business is too big now. It's so big. It's one of the bigger businesses in the world, right? And every business needs to be in this business. Dan Warren wrote a piece of Macworld a couple of weeks ago that was basically like, Apple is a country now. Yes. And you have to view it that way. It is a huge thing. I wrote a thing about the 10th anniversary

of Steve Jobs' death, which was last week. And I just did the kind of, you know, we do the quarter over quarter or year over year comparisons. I did a decade over decade comparison. And it's just like, it is breathtaking how much larger Apple is now than it was 10 years ago. And so, yeah, this is just the game they're in now. Or, and this made me laugh in the Discord upgrade, Ian, David Schaub just said, where is the puck going to be? And like, we use that a lot, but it really made me smile

because this is where the puck is going to be. It's going to be in court. It's going to be in regulators. It's going to be orders. The puck is in the court. So the puck is in the European Commission. The puck is in all sorts of places that are not in Cupertino.

And so if you're Apple, get to skating, I guess. They need a wartime consigliere over there I think at the moment Europe is settling all business at the moment that's right they're going to the mattresses have we got any other references they're making them an offer they can't refuse they ask them for a favor

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I love this question so much. This is so good. If Europe compels Apple to replace Lightning with USB-C and the French law to include a hands-free kit remains unchanged, would Apple design a new version of AirPods of USB-C or would they just give up and give AirPods for everybody in France for free? I like this question too. So good.

Boxes within boxes within boxes. I think the answer is that if there there was and there's so many questions here if apple had to make a usbc iphone because of the european commission and if the french law remains what would happen to the headphones in the box i think the answer is probably they would just do a lightning to usbc adapter for the air the earpods or they would just make some earpods lightning to usbc adapter for the air the earpods or they would just make some earpods with usbc um if if it's also suggesting like is there a usbc model that's only in the eu or would it be that that would force apple to make it everywhere because they wouldn't want to make two and and at that point they would make a their wired headphones would USB-C. I think there may even already be USB-C.

There isn't. I just looked. They do lightning and 3.5 millimeter. Okay. And you can get a 3.5 to USB-C adapter. So they could just include that, the 3.5 version and the adapter. Or they could just build some that, I mean, it's just different cords, right? Basically, they'd build some

with a USB-C on it instead. I think it would be that simple. It just depends on how spiteful Apple is being. But I don't think Apple's going to put AirPods in the box that's in the box that's in the box. Or they put AirPods in the box and like, what if you want to use them? You've got to get an adapter.

Like they put the AirPods in, like just the, the maybe the 3.5 ones. And they're like, you know, bring your own. No, I don't think France will let them do that.

I think they have to actually work. Cause you've got somebody, once somebody think of the children. Rowan asks, do I recall correctly a WWDC announcement about Swift playgrounds being able to build and submit iOS apps straight from an iOS app, like from the iPad. Yes.

I haven't heard about it since. Yeah, they did announce that. I've forgotten about this completely. And I looked it up, Rowan, on your behalf, because that's what we do here on Ask Upgrade. That's right, we care. This is coming with version four of Swift Playgrounds, which is not available yet.

And Apple had said like later this year. So that version is just not available right now they haven't shipped it yet get ready that will come i'm gonna be really intrigued to see what that process is like you know someone's gonna do that probably steve troughton smith uh and i i'm really i'm really intrigued to see like what will it look like to build an app in swift playgrounds and then submit it to the app store like what is that process going to look like could be Rambo could be Rambo might could be could be it's going to be somebody though there's going to be well I'll tell you what Apple's going to do is Apple is going to release a press release about a teenager who

built their own app entirely in Swift Playgrounds and is selling it on the app store yeah with a profile of them and integrate a paddle fordle for their in-app purchases. Well, it turns out that now in the terms and conditions of using Swift Playgrounds, you have to only use Apple's in-app purchase systems. They've just moved all of those rules down into Swift Playgrounds as a development environment. Brantz asks, regarding your thoughts

on why the iPad mini makes sense for people who don't want to use an iPad Pro to really take advantage of what that can do. Is there a reason that the standard iPad isn't the better option with it being $170 cheaper? Is it because the mini is smaller or lighter? Yeah, we were speaking in the context of the iPad mini as a reading device, basically, and content consumption device device but really like as a reader and and so yeah that's the answer is because it's smaller and lighter it's better suited to be a reading device and um and so i've talked to a lot of people who get an ipad pro or an ipad air and they feel guilty that it's not living up to its full potential and the iPad mini maybe makes them feel better about it. Of course, the standard iPad is there and it's cheaper. The context is

just different then, like, because then it's bigger and it's heavier. And so it's less good as a reader and it's got the home button and stuff, right? Like, and it doesn't support some of the other stuff that the mini supports, but that really was just the context of it being a reader and that the the cheap ipad is fine too it's just not as nice a reader because it's not as small and light as the mini and i'll speak for myself too i forget that the ipad exists i do um because it's not in my it's not i'm not personally excited about it i would not recommend it for most people because it is it is a full generation behind on technology at this point but you know it's the price can't be beat right like that's a good good price it's a fantastic price what does the ipad air start at oh it's in it's in the middle it's in the 500s yeah yeah and so like you know again

it's not as easy to just say hey go up and get that one and i understand that it's like for me like a lot of this stuff um it really is the things that i talk about i want to talk about the thing that i personally am excited about the most you know i don't have access to all of these products so i've had there is 600 okay so that's quite expensive yeah it is it's it's it's cheap when you consider the pro but if you're if you're it's expensive when you're considering the cheaper ones right and it is a most of the i was hoping it was going to be like a oh you know just pay this bit more and you could get no no that's much no it's substantially more that's much much more and like so yeah the the regular ipad is definitely there for ipaddy things but i still stand by like the ipad mini i think is the best ipad you can get obviously because it's expensive and you're at

blah blah blah for those like content consumption tasks i remain people get so bored of me saying this i am in love with that ipad mini oh my god it's the best it's great i love it so much rajiv asks do you think apple will expand iCloud private relay beyond safari and into other applications what do you think i don't know how it works technically i would think that that once well first they have to ship it as like on and out of beta and all of those things, right? So let's wait for them to get there. But yes, I think iCloud Private Relay is the start of something that will expand and grow and become, I would not be surprised if it eventually becomes essentially a vpn but not but apple in its own appley way will implement it they way the way they will but i

feel like this is the beginning of apple um moving your networking traffic in ways that make it more secure and private i think it'll keep happening. Yeah, I know for me, this is going to be one of those features that I'm going to let everyone else try it for a while. I'm like, I don't know. I'm not sure how I feel about it. You live in it on all the time and just the issues that it could cause,

I don't know. I'll wait and see. This is one of those things, like many things that Apple does around services. I will let other people try this first before I wade into that water. But I do agree. I think ultimately it makes sense for them to do it for all internet traffic. Like, there's a lot of internet traffic that isn't through Safari.

And if Apple really want to provide that level of security to their iCloud customers, having this available, and this privacy, I should say, rather than security specifically, but having this available is a good thing. I think the worry could be potentially things like not working. This is what I'm talking about. I saw a lot of people in the beta saying they couldn't buy tickets on Ticketmaster and stuff like that. And these things are so obscured right like all you know is you're

looking at the web browser and it's not letting you do a thing right and it's like oh because it's trying to understand where you are geographically or whatever that's why it's a beta i mean i think that's why it's still in beta why it happened because it wasn't pitched as such when they showed it off at wwdc and i think apple quite rightly were like well this could be tricky like we need to spend more time on this and this is a thing they've done in before so like uh the the app track and transparency thing right it was announced and then they just kept delaying kept delaying kept delaying because it could upset a lot of apple carts and you've got to make sure you're getting it right before

you put it in place so maybe they'll wait for i call pirate relay too for that i don't know but yes if it works eventually uh should be in everything similarly i want web extensions in safari view controller put those in there while you're at it you know like i'm really loving using the one password extension but if i'm inside of another app trying to log into something, no, it doesn't work. I want to have that wherever I can get Safari. I want the extensions too. Yeah, I open things in web views now in apps, and I cry because they're bad,

because they don't have the extensions in them. Or like the cookie notification blocker things. Yeah, well, at night, Noir doesn't fire off in a web view. I'm like, no, it's so bright. Open the web, open in Safari.

No, it's just, I want them all. Be my extensions. So yeah, put it everywhere, please. I get it.

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