Upgrade - 40: Emotion Palette

Episode Date: June 8, 2015

Live from San Francisco and fresh from Apple's WWDC Keynote, Jason and Myke dissect everything from new OS X and iOS versions to native watch apps to the new Apple Music service.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode number 40 today's show is brought to you by hover simplified domain management mail route a secure hosted email service for protection from viruses and spam and field notes i'm not writing it down to remember it later i'm writing it down to remember it now. My name is Mike Curley, and I am joined in person, live and in San Francisco, by Mr. Jason Snell. Hi, Mike. So this is three times we've done this in person out of 40 shows now. Once, twice, three times a podcast. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. And I love you. Thank you so much. In the words of Lionel Richie. So we are... We're on my turf now. We are on your turf. We're out of the British Isles. Mm-hmm. Forget that. This is California, baby. So we're what, turf now we are we're out of the british isles forget that this is

california baby so we're what like an hour or two after the keynote has just finished yeah yeah it's a couple a couple hours after the keynote we're recording this incredibly long keynote today it was a little over by google i o standards it was short but by apple keynote standards it was a little bit long you're in the room room today, as we discussed last week. So how was it today? Did you take notes? Did you do full-on live blogging? I took notes.

I sent a few tweets, but Dan Morin was sitting right next to me, and he handled the Six Colors event account for live blogging, which was great. And I dropped a few tweets here and there, but I spent most of the time watching the presentation and taking some notes in my own little notes document. which was great. And I dropped a few tweets here and there, but I spent most of the time watching the presentation and taking some notes in my own little notes document. And how did that feel? It was a little weird. It was good. There were moments when I suddenly realized

I was typing a lot and that that probably meant that I was thinking I was live blogging, but it was for an audience of one. And then I would slow down and say, what do I really want to write down here? Shifting from verbatim note-taking mode into what's the big picture,

leaving myself little notes, which is something that I don't normally do if I'm live blogging. Like, this is important. This was a surprise. This was, you know, a couple points I kind of wanted to emphasize. This is important,

even though they didn't make a big deal out of it. So that was different because last week um you were very much in the impression that you weren't going to do that this time uh one big difference is that dan got into the keynote which we were we were asking apple if they would consider letting him in and they did and uh and so you know we we found that out if you know a little while ago it wasn't today but um and that changed that that made it very easy for me to make the decision to sort of take a step back and and that way i could pay more close attention during the event uh then we had you know we ran out afterward

got some lunch and came here to record this and then i will you know start writing some stuff and and i think that's uh i think that's good i think that's nice. So I watched the keynote in the hotel, in the Park 55. The Release Notes guys who had the podcast and the conference that I'm going to be speaking at, they put on like a viewing. And it was great. There was a bunch of people there. I love watching the keynote with people because it's fun. People make jokes.

They laugh. They cheer. That kind of thing. But that was a lot of fun. I love watching keynotes with people, Mike well you get a special and i always do because i'm with all the people in the room no it's no you say that i think it's funny because it can be a solitary experience if you're just a person at home watching on the live stream it is way more fun to have an audience there whether it's the big one or the small one people are making jokes and stuff like that because i can't i never go on twitter during because it's too much it's

it's impossible to keep up with and i can't concentrate on what's happening if i'm watching uh you know people joking around and stuff which is which is admittedly a lot of fun but i can't concentrate and then i get all lost. Right. I understand that. So we should probably just dive in and I figure we'll talk about some of the things that came up today, but do them in the presentation order as we want to do in these scenarios. So let's start off with OS X El Capitan. Yes. I hate that name. I just want to put that out there.

I think it's awkward to say. So why do you? Yeah. So that's why? Is it like Mavericks awkward? I think it's awkward to say. So why do you, yeah, so that's why? Is it like Mavericks awkward? I think it's more awkward because Mavericks was one word. This is El Capitan. El Capitan.

Like that is a long and awkward thing to say. Four syllables. It looks kind of strange written down. So El Capitan is inside of Yosemite National Park, right? El Capitan is a giant granite cliff, granite monolith inside Yosemite National Park. So this is Apple's equivalent of Snow Leopard or Mountain Lion by saying it's still essentially a Yosemite class operating system. See, I think that I don't know enough about Yosemite, but I guess they had very limited options if they wanted to go that route. They could have called it Half Dome, but that's weird.

That's much worse. I will accept El Capitan for the reason that they chose it, if that makes sense. But I just think as a product name, it is not a good product name. They could have called it Glacier Point, I suppose. That's nicer. That's much nicer.

El Capitan. It's nicer. That's much nicer. Little Capitan. Oh, no. It is interesting that it's still a Yosemite theme. Maybe that means that we can have that great Yosemite conference again. Yeah. Go back to Yosemite. Yeah. So, yeah.

So the crown stays in the Sierra Nevadas and Yosemite for another upgrade cycle. Experience and performance. This seems to be the mantra of the day. Both OS X, they've said that before, and they kind of hinted towards that of iOS as well. So the experience is a few features, basically a smattering of features, and then performance is basically Apple saying,

yes, we are fixing the issues. Yeah, they also use the phrase refinements and advances, which I thought was interesting. This is their way of saying, without saying it, you know, we are concerned about speed and stability, which are the things that people have been talking about with the Mac and with iOS. And so they said that refinements and advances, speed and stability, ways to make, you know, it's not like they're not adding features, but the idea that they're trying to make things faster. They talked a lot about changing some of the underlying technology

to make things faster. And, you know, I at least choose to read between the lines that taking some time just to smooth off some of the rough edges is one of the things that they're doing as a part of this too although they didn't it's not like they came out and said we're going to take a lot of time to fix bugs but I think that's at least you can read that into

what they said if that is what they are doing I appreciate this the same with iOS is they didn't just do this there is some stuff here I mean so that I think probably the biggest thing that's been added to El Capitan is window management. A lot more options for window management. So we have an updated mission control.

They've made it, and also like switching between spaces and stuff like that has been made to be performing better. On my Retina MacBook Pro, that is one of the most frustrating things for me. Sometimes I swipe and nothing happens for like a second and then i move over so that's something i'm happy to see that they're looking at fixing i love mission control that is how i i use that a lot i use spaces and full screen and stuff like that so i'm happy to see anything change there i thought some of the stuff looked really good like you could drag a window up to the top and

create a new desktop with it i thought that was really nice but one of the big things that they're pushing and we'll probably talk about this in another context in a little bit is split view yeah um so there is an app called moom is that right m-o-o-m yeah for many tricks and this is a similar kind of idea in that yeah i mean moom is super flexible but the thing is that moom is a utility by a third party and with this with this view you've got um the split screen mode and all of that it's in the system right so it's it apple has the ability to do things that that no third party can do and so that's what they've done here moom lets you set like put these you know tile these windows and move this window over there and this is a very much sort of saying,

I want two apps on the screen at once. And you can do that with regular windows, but you have to manage them. And this is stuff we've seen, Microsoft did some of this in Windows 8, but it's a nice, like, it is very much like mission control in that it's about sort of simplifying

the window management experience and if you're an old school mac user who just wants to have your windows where you want them you can still do that but if you're in a i find myself sometimes in a mode where i really just want two apps in front and you know single window mode won't do that the the full screen mode won't do that and so this is in between full screen mode and the freeform mode and i think that's good and they made some other enhancements like with mail um they put some gestures in there fine but with full screen you can kind of move the message pane away and then they put tabs in the in the composed message

window and stuff like that although all those things that frustrate you when you're in full screen mode right because because full screen mode with window for with apps that spawn multiple windows becomes really frustrating because does it is it sliding that new window out how do you minimize something how do you switch to a second window if you're in the full screen view um that's the thing that drives me out of full screen mode more than any other so they're trying to put in these in mail they've got these shorthands now that let you do actually very much like ios let you kind of do some basic management of this this uh single window view we have spotlight um so spotlight on the mac has received some enhancements uh one of those being a lot more natural language stuff which is quite interesting so there's some of

that in there like what's the weather going to be like on friday and stuff like that which is which is interesting and again that technology is there but we'll talk about it on ios it seems to have really come into its own in ios yeah i think i think if you i think i read something about google discovering that there is a certain percentage of users who talk, who type into Google like they're trying to reason with somebody, an actual person. Like they don't type. And my sister, I think, is like this. Like somebody in my family, I observed doing a Google search and they were like asking it questions, like ask Jeeves or something. They were saying, how do I find, like, don't know, don't just type in the words you're searching for. But that was not how they do it. They're like, how do I find how to do this? Or what is the

thing for this? And so the natural language thing is, I mean, it's good, because I do think that certain, a certain group of users think that way. And that's how they want to formulate their queries. And so by saying, you know, show me all the, you know, the presentation files I was working on last June, and having it actually be able to do that. There are a lot of people who are never going to go and say, date created is between June 1st and June 30th of 2014 and kind is presentation, right? I'm one of those people.

I prefer to ask a computer a question like that. It's like why I love Fantastical, because I have natural language entry. I can't use other kinds of programs now. I like to just type it, because my brain works that way. It's easier. Like, I loved the email stuff.

It was like, show me the messages I've ignored from Phil, which is, that is smart stuff going on there. And I really like that as a way to interact with the computer is to ask questions, and it should be able to pass what I'm saying and deliver answers to really like that as a way to interact with the computer is to ask questions and it should be able to pass what i'm saying and deliver answers to me like that i think that's really cool um safari stuff i mean i'm not a safari user um so i'm not massively interested in it i am some of this like the pinned tabs thing it just feels like adding a feature it does i don't i don't know what you think but i don't see a lot of utility in doing that. You could just have the tab open. Well, no, but the idea here is you've got your

favorite sites. And again, this is how different people work. You've got your favorite sites and you always want them there. And instead of putting them in a bookmark and then clicking on the bookmark every time you open it, I'm pretty sure this is one of those features that came out of them observing how users use software. And they always go to these same apps. And so by having them be pinned like that, any browser window you're in has them right there. And they're preloading them, which they, you know, more aggressively than they would

if it was just in the bookmarks bar. And they hide the bookmarks bar by default, I think. So this is like a- Visual bookmark. Yeah, it's like a new version of that for your high priority sites because you know there are a lot of people that this is how they use the internet is they they check eight sites that they like or four sites that they like and so to have them in this way i think i think there will be certain kinds of users who will get a huge benefit

out of having it there yeah i was in a room with a bunch of developers you were in a room with even more the advancements to Metal on the Mac seem to set people into a bit of a frenzy well that's a super developer message and so the developers like to hear that I think unless you're somebody who really loves OpenGL

I mean the idea there is that you're using core animation, you can use core animation and core graphics and now it's running at a much, you know, they said OpenGL. I mean, the idea there is that you're using core animation. You can use core animation and core graphics, and now it's running at a much, you know, they set up to 50% improvement in speed because they're eliminating the gap. They're getting you closer to the metal by doing that. So I thought it was interesting too in terms of um this this section had the lengthy um set of examples involving adobe which is interesting because you know that's a relationship that's gone back and forth about especially over the the whole flash uh debacle and here what you've got is adobe

highlighted as a company that tried some of these new features, got great results, and has said, we're going to use this technology for all of our products on the Mac. And that they said, not just After Effects, which is one that always gets carted out, but like Illustrator, having some stuff that currently they can't show the UI update because it's too processor intensive. So they just sort of, when you zoom in, you move from state A to state B, and that with this system, they can actually do a smooth zoom to that point and stuff like that, and that they're committed to adopting it on all their OS X apps. I thought that was a really interesting sign, not only of the Apple-Adobe relationship, but interesting endorsement of some pretty prominent and practical use use in those apps these prominent apps of this technology so it's not just a hey games can be good on the mac which you know is not the biggest market on the mac anyway that's what the demo came from the demo came from epic and i felt like it would have

been a lot better to come from adobe the the demo should have come from yeah i agree i think i think that would have been a lot stronger of a message and would have made a lot more sense to have them on stage um and to have them showing some of the stuff yeah maybe they just weren't prepared to do it but i i agree with you that would have been um i don't know i find the i find the game demos boring in general and this one was boring in particular. It went on way too long, and I felt like it was a little like a teacher trying to tell a student to hurry up their presentation by saying, they're going to give us a really short demo.

As they introduced them, they said a short demo. But it wasn't. It wasn't short enough, no. Because the thing was, and the issue is with that stuff, they were promoting a new game. Yeah, I know. And it's just like, here's this game. It's on the Mac.

It doesn't really look that good. It doesn't look that great. It's boring. They're acting like it's this cool thing. And again, I don't want to see a demo of their game. There were sprinkled in there some examples of, hey, this new technology that Apple has really helped us here. But I don't think it added a whole lot to the thing.

No, it definitely didn't. There are two things. Whenever we talk about keynotes, there's sort of two things we do. The one is analyze what was announced and what does it mean for Apple and what are those products? How do we understand them

and what is that going to mean for users? The other thing is like the keynote, appreciation of keynote as an art form where we're criticizing the medium more than the message. And this is one of those examples where in terms of reviewing the keynote as a, as a performance, the game demo really,

I could really have done without it. And I don't think it really imparted a lot of information. No, it, it didn't break. It didn't add any more weight than the quote from Adobe on a slide did. It added a lot less weight. I think the quote from Adobe on a slide did. It added a lot less weight, I think, than the quote from Adobe. And quite frankly, are you really trying to explain, I mean, other than just, ooh, neat

moving pictures and, you know, is it more realistic to show people a game running on the Mac than it is like professional software running on the Mac or even like photo management software or something. But a game, it just, yeah. Why don't they bring the product developer final cut on stage and show how, because they was talking about things like rendering and stuff like that and show how that's faster.

That's more compelling, I think, than showing Epic. But hey, Apple are trying to get games, right? It's a thing that the Mac i get it it's just never it's just never really going to happen on the mac and it's helpful that they do this but they're really just saying hey games are a good way to explain graphics performance but they didn't really explain it they're just like hey look it's a game yay um yeah less less exciting that adobe thing though i was impressed by that the adobe thing because that's that's not just adobe to write a thing out and said it was okay that's adobe saying yeah this is so great we're going

to use it in all our stuff so you know then we've got the usual you know el capitan there's a developer preview in july i think uh and it comes out in the fall there's developer preview now now public beta that's what i'm in july yeah and then there'll be somebody who sends a tweet saying that we got that wrong because they haven't they paused it right before we corrected it immediately after saying it because that's life in the big city for podcasting but yeah so it's going to be the same it's the usual developers can get a beta now um there'll be a public beta you know after they've done a developer beta cycle or two they'll do a public beta in july and then it'll be on the fall for free um as far as we can tell it's just you like everybody, if you could run Yosemite,

you can run El Capitan. And yeah, that's it. I'm trying to see. I really liked the, we didn't mention another example of watching how people use their computer and trying to come up with ways to do it better, which is one of the great ways to innovate if you're building new software. which is one of the great ways to innovate if you're building new software, was the shaking your cursor to find out where it is

when you wake up your computer. Funny little thing, but a nice thing. Yeah, so you shake it and it gets bigger while you're shaking it so you can see where it is and then it goes back down. That's great. I do that all the time. I have that big Retina iMac

and sometimes I'm like, I don't even, it's a huge screen. I don't even know where that little cursor is. And I'm like, where is it? Where is it? It's my key. Is my Bluetooth trackpad off? Is that why I can't see it? What's going on? So that was, I just like that as a, it's silly, but, um, that's a good example of somebody building a feature because they realized, oh, this is something everybody does and it wastes people's time. Anything missing for you? Oh, as I've written, I was ready for them to get rid of the X and just call it Mac OS

again. But this is not an OS release about change, right? This is about kind of keeping on from Yosemite. And that's fine. That's exactly what I was looking for. I'm a little surprised that there were rumors that the new San Francisco font would be used and I don't think it is.

It definitely looked like they were using it on iOS but they didn't mention it. Yeah, and I think I saw one tweet that pointed out that it's being used on some parts of iOS but not all of it. I don't understand that. That is interesting, like if they're using it, because they didn't even mention it.

It didn't even seem to be on that big word cloud. So I don't know what's going on there. That could still come later, I guess. But, you know, maybe there's a reason that we just don't know, or maybe they just never were going to do it in the first place. I don't know.

But there was definitely a font change on iOS, which we'll get to in a bit. They were showing some of the UI, and it looked different, and it looked like San Francisco. So maybe, I don't know. I don't know what's happening with El Capitan. I've got to get used to saying that.

El Capitan. I feel like every time I say it, I have to say it in a funny way. Well, you can call it Snowsemiti if you want to. I might do that, actually. We have Steven in the room here, and he's shaking his head he doesn't like snosemity which is now what i will call it so should we move on to ios yeah um well real-time follow-up t underscore in the chat room says the fonts are updated i don't know updated in what way or or what again i only have the information that i could glean from

the keynote being in it so we'll find out more as the uh developer betas get installed and we learn more uh so apparently definitely new system font was included in the word cloud so thank you very much to everybody in the chat room who is pointing that out uh there definitely is a new system font and we will call it Capitan Francisco there you go this week's episode of upgrade is brought to you by Field Notes uh Field Notes is a dream sponsor of mine I love them so much I have one right here right there yeah I I have about six in uh the in one of the drawers in my uh in my house my house. I found a big cache of them, so now we have even more. You can use them for anything.

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and the foundation stuff is the improvements so shall we start with some of the new and enhanced built-in applications and shall we talk about the new news app sure let's do that can you give a brief like a brief overview for anyone that doesn't know or anyone that needs a refresher what is the news app? Well it looks like newsstand is going away and that all the newsstand apps are just going to be apps which is fine because newsstand was not very good and that

there's this new app called news that looks like it's not quite an RSS reader it's more like Flipboard. It reminds me a lot of those instant articles that are in Facebook. It's Apple providing a platform in which web articles basically will be shown with some custom layout that makes them look nicer. And you can subscribe to subjects

or tags or particular publications, whether they're newspapers or magazines or blogs, and then it collects the stories for you. So yeah, I mean, especially Flipboard is a good example where it sounds a lot like that kind of thing, except this is going to be an Apple app and it's going to be built into every iPhone and iPad. Why does this exist? I think Apple wants, I don't know, it's a good question. I think Apple wants to make things easier for publishers and doesn't want to keep going down the path of newsstand. Yep. Newsstand failed. Newsstand was a mistake apple should have built something like ibooks for magazines and newspapers and they

instead decided to let every media company build their own apps. Yeah, have weirdo apps inside of a weirdo folder. Yeah, so that was a bad idea. I think Steve Jobs got charmed by the tech demos, the impractical, expensive tech demos in the early days of the iPad and decided that that was going to be the media strategy. So this is a very interesting strategy in that it's not about, you know, it's a universal reader. It's much more of a fancy web browser than it is, you know, it's not like a magazine or newspaper app. It's, I think

they've learned a lot of lessons that this is not replicating paper is not what you want to do. You want to come up with something that embraces this format it's interesting that it's so much like flipboard they didn't buy flipboard they just they just did something that's a lot like flipboard yeah it's you pick your categories um i like the search stuff oh we should mention this was the first demo given by a woman right or was that was it maybe the second you ahead. So this was the second demo given by a woman. It was given by Susan Prescott. So we might as well have this

as a quicker slide now because there was also the Apple Pay executive. Do you have her name to hand? Jennifer Bailey. Really interesting. So, I mean, yesterday as we record this, Christina Warren had a great interview with Tim Cook in Mashable.

And they were talking about equality in tech and women in tech. And one of the things that Tim said was, watch tomorrow. Watch what we do tomorrow. And I really like what Apple have done here because what they have done is they have brought out people where they wouldn't normally do that. So Federighi would have done that demo. So they have brought the executives onto the stage. So they are forcing the change, which is exactly

what they need to do. Because they are saying, right, we're just going to bring these people onto stage because they are women in these great jobs, they're doing great things, but you normally don't get to see them. So instead of doing the normal demo, for those parts, we will bring them out to the front, put them on stage so you can see that we do have these people but usually we just

don't bring them out so i think it was a great move i agree i in the in the case of jennifer bailey she's the vp in charge of apple pay so why not yeah exactly exactly i mean you bring bring her and plus they both gave incredible demos I thought they were funny and powerful and just really, really great at what they did. Yeah, they both had their unique styles that were their own, just as any presenter does. And yeah, it was good to see different people on stage, to have Apple's keynote be less monolithic than it's been in the past. I think that was good. It felt like you're watching a whole company full of people who are working on this stuff and not a very tiny cabal of people who invent everything and then

roll it out, which is, you know, not accurate. It is more, there are a lot of people who work at Apple and working on this stuff. So to see more of them is good. And to see some diversity on that stage,

really good. So basically news is the new a new take on an rss reader i think in in a nutshell that's what it is i'm i'm thinking maybe some of this is so they can populate spotlight stuff right because spotlight seems to suggest news articles and this is a place to send you to so that could be one thing that they're doing it for. They showed big publishers. They showed Wired. They had Vox on the screen.

Condé Nast and stuff like that. They also made a point of showing Daring Fireball which was really exciting. Yes, they said the words Daring Fireball. She cooked him as a choice of a blog that she likes. What are you going to do? Do you know anything about this system?

Can you publish this system? Do you want to? They made a point of the fact that this is not, and I think that's actually one of the reasons why they showed Daring Fireball. Not only because they like John Gruber, but because he's a blogger. And it was part of the message to say, look, here's a newspaper, here's a magazine, and here's a blog.

And I can subscribe to all of them. And then I can subscribe to this broad category of technology, as well as this incredibly narrow keyword of Swift, the programming language. And so it was a good example of that. And then later they said, this is for everyone. Presumably they'll have some sort of a spec. But they said, you know, this is for local papers. It's for blogs. It's for everyone.

So all publishers should be able to publish to this format. So, you know, given my audience, absolutely. Absolutely. I can't wait to find out what the specs are for this and figure out how out how that i how i can take advantage of it icloud.com slash news publisher all right i'll go there after the show you'll use icloud to add your content to news sign in with your apple id you'd like to use for your business or channel okay weird that it's on icloud that seems like an interesting thing. Okay. That's got to be like iTunes Connect.

It's a back-end system that you sign up for. Yeah, that's weird. I mean, this feels like something that you would have an article that you want to put out there and it's a nice big beefy article or something and you put it in. I imagine they've got some document specs and some feed specs and you know,'s everybody will look at that and and figure out how they want to proceed

but you know it's interesting i guess if it's pre-installed maybe people will use it i don't know if i will like maybe maybe maybe i'll look at that instead of rss or something i don't know yeah i don't i mean i don't use flipboard and i don't use RSS. So I'm using, I'm using Nuzzle right now to do all that, you know, but yeah, I'll check it out. Different, lots, there are lots of different ways to do reading and, and getting on the device is powerful. It's not the, it's not the solution. You know, not every iPhone user in existence has not started listening to podcasts because the podcast app is on the iphone but it sure helps that there's a podcast app on the iphone and this is you know there will be if you want to get some news also they integrated top news and things into their search um and this is

a way presumably you will now jump to the news app to read those instead of the website to the website so that's part of that integration too and it sounds like the um the recode report walt mossberg's report about this or no peter kofka's report about this was that um we saw no ads today but it sounds like um publishers can put ads in there and they keep all the money from the ads and apple's not trying to say give us 30 of all the ads that display in the news app and then that report also said that if you don't have ads if you if you've run out of your ads or whatever apple will actually be the backfill and they could actually put their own ads in there and then cut you in for a piece of that so there is an ad story there too it'll be interesting to see

how that goes because they said the new york times you know they're going to put in what 30 stories a day or something i mean they're that stuff that's interesting because that's stuff that you aren't allowed to read on the web because after a few stories you are blocked from those stories for the rest of the month on the new york times but they'll all be you know 30 stories a day will be in the news app that's that's a lot that's content you can't get on the web but you can get in the news app that's pretty cool notes the notes app notes that's a lot. That's content you can't get on the web, but you can get in the news app. That's pretty cool. Notes. The Notes app has some massive, massive changes. Yeah, it looks a lot more like Vesper now.

So thanks. They mentioned Daring Fireball. They also made Notes work a lot more like Vesper. So I thought there was a nice tidbit there that I noticed, which is that Notes is used by half of all iPhone users. Yep. That's a popular app. Surprisingly. Used by.

I use it. When I parked today, I opened Notes and put down where I parked. Yeah. I'll give it a go of iOS 9. I mean, I use Drafts for this stuff. Well, I'm using notes for like i said it's it's also my purpose built uh note-taking app for watching things for the incomparable yeah it's just they're all in there all of my notes are in there but you you get so there's a a toolbar

there's text formatting you can make quick checklists you can insert photos you can uh links extension yeah yeah There's a links. The links look better. It's not just like a hyperlink of text. It's actually a little box with a preview of where the link goes to, which is kind of neat. So they, you know, they really did add a whole bunch of stuff. A share sheet that lets you drop things in to notes from elsewhere. It's some nice stuff.

I'm probably going to switch to Apple Maps from Google Maps because of their transit stuff. Well, Google has transit stuff too. The way that Apple are displaying the transit stuff is very, very interesting to me, and I'm very much looking forward to checking it out. What way is that? So they have a couple of things that I really like to look off. They have a full transit map which shows lines and stuff like that on the actual map face yeah i really like that that you're not just viewing transit little buttons on top of a street map you're looking at a transit map transit layer and even more interestingly because this is something that frustrates me with Google Maps and any other mapping service I've ever used which is it shows me the entrance for the train station which is something that I don't get and they're like we'll send you there so you know exactly where to go because usually they just

drop a pin right in the middle yeah it's like the train station is a single item that is a single point and everybody enters through that point which of course is not how it works. Because that's the main reason that I don't use Apple Maps is because I am a person who needs transit stuff. That's how I get around. I use the tube and I use buses and I walk.

And at the moment, Apple have not had anything to help me in that regard. And all of the third party apps that I've tried, I haven't found better than Google Maps. And London is a launch city, which it definitely should be.

And I'm really happy they did it because I think it's the only one outside of America or China that is a launch city. That's good. It's because London is... No, no, there's Berlin. Is there Berlin as well?

Berlin's in there too. So it's limited. And it makes sense. I mean, you go for the places that have real good infrastructure. London is one of them. And I think my understanding is the data isn't too hard to get because we have a centralized body that does it. So TFL, Transport for London, has all of that data,

and they have APIs and stuff. So we were probably not too difficult a city to actually map and get it right. But I'm really really excited for that. Yeah, that's something that Apple just couldn't do when they were launching their new maps thing. It was just one thing

that they just couldn't get it done in time. Because this needs careful consideration. Transit is very very difficult to do. But i still think they should have waited but hey you know they should have done this two years ago right because it is a big part of it but i'm very happy to see it and one of the main reasons is because like that i would want to switch is because i really really love getting the directions on my watch i love that yeah um And that's really going to work well for me. So I'm excited for that because I think it would be difficult maybe,

I don't know, we'll see from the native stuff, for Google to do a comparable app for the watch. So I'm really excited for that. Yeah, when I was in Brooklyn, I was trying to use Google Maps for transit, and it took me to the block where the train station was that I was going to. But then I had that wandering around thing where you're trying to guess at where the actual entryway to the train station was because it didn't take me to the entryway that I could go down

that was the closest to where I was, and I wandered around for a couple of minutes before I found the way in. So yeah, smart. Passbook becomes Wallet and with Wallet comes additional features for Apple Pay. Right. So there are store cards and loyalty cards now, right? Yeah. So they talked about loyalty cards at the event in September of last year.

They talked about when they launched apple pay that um or they announced apple pay and not not in the keynote but after the keynote when we were talking to them they're like oh yeah yeah loyalty cards will be supported but it just hasn't happened yet so now it's happened now we now we've got where they're making those partnerships so the loyalty cards will be built in to Apple Pay as well. And you left out, in addition to having London Transit, we have Apple Pay in the UK, as the old punk rock song goes. That's happening in July. Because there was rumors that Canada was going to be the next destination for Apple Pay.

But next month, I finally get Apple Pay. 250,000 locations. The best one is the Tube. So we'll be able to use Apple Pay to ride the Tube. There is quite a funny thing. I currently have two bank accounts with two different banks. And over the next couple of months,

I was planning on switching to the bank that I prefer, Barclays. Currently with HSBC going to Barclays. barclays for currently with hsbc going to barclays barclays is one of the only banks in the uk that has not yet signed up for apple pay which is extremely surprising because barclays is the most digital but they're not there yet they will be but because their customers are going to really really pressure them because when they showed the screen every other major uk bank of which of which there are a lot, seemed to be involved. So I will still use it because at the moment all my personal transactions go through my HSBC bank account.

And they are going to be using Apple Pay. So I'm very, very excited next month to start using Apple Pay. Because it's something that I really want because we are so contactless. I pay with my card contactless. But now I'll be able to do it with my watch instead. I'm really, really excited to do that. It's pretty great. I enjoy that.

Yeah, that's great. I was in a Waitrose with James Thompson in Glasgow and talking about Apple Pay and how hopefully it'll come to the UK sometime. And they made that announcement and I sent a note to James saying, well, that Waitrose in Glasgow will have Apple Pay soon james saying well that waitrose and in glasgow will have apple pay soon so it was actually waitrose was they're very great they're a great

supermarket they were one of the ones that actually mentioned them so i like that they picked a couple out and and because they do that for america so do it for us too and i like that that they said marks and spencers and waitrose they picked them out as two two locations and they're they're fancy supermarkets. They're upscale supermarkets. It's huge UK news today is what we're saying. Huge UK news. It's all coming up in Britannia today. I'm very happy. I mean, I know I'm in another country, but I'm flying the flag today. Let's talk about the iPad, Jason. Anything happen with the iPad? the ipad jason anything happened with the ipad all i know is federico vittici's brain exploded it's i haven't heard from him for a while i'm starting i think we should maybe send someone

to go and check on him uh there is some really really big stuff in here well you know so we were talking we've talked about that on this show before that that there's this feeling that a lot of people have and that i have that i wrote a piece on six colors about it that that um the size of the iphone the success of the iphone is so tremendous that it's hard to justify and sometimes it's been hard for apple to justify investing a lot of effort on ipad features in ios because there's so many iPhones. There are fewer iPads. Even if the iPad, you know, the iPad's fine. It's not the iPhone.

Nothing's the iPhone. And today, we got a large chunk of the presentation devoted to features that were at least described as being iPad features. Some of them may have their counterparts on the iPhone, but it was really about working on the iPad. And as somebody who loves his iPad, I'm not Federico Vittici level of love, but I was blown away by it. That was probably my favorite part of the entire presentation was the iPad stuff. So there's a couple of different things here so one of them there's a few features that are classed as multitasking so there is a few features this one called slide over where it's a second app where you kind of pull it in from the side yeah it's like notification center or the control center except from the right side yeah so

you pull in i think it probably they didn't really explain what app. I guess it's like the most recent app. And then you're able to do some, invoke some action. I think it's the multitasking. And you can switch between a vertical list of apps. You slide it in, double tap, and you can change what app is there. So the idea being maybe Twitter or messages. You slide it in, do what you got to do,

slide it back away again. and it shows basically an iPhone. and sizing that, for example, allowed your iPhone 6 app to also work really well on the 6 Plus, that will just kind of move along and go off on the corner there and it'll auto-lay out. And it's like a little iPhone app running next to a kind of narrow iPad app. Then there was Split View. Split View is you can invoke this from Slide Over

where you then effectively, you pull it across and you have two apps running simultaneously next to each other this is massive stuff like they were showing some things there that look really interesting like click a link in the in uh the notes app and you've got maps next to it and it'll just go to the maps or you click a link in a web browser and it pops up yeah they were showing some really interesting ways that these two apps will just work together in tandem yeah and they're it's not

any different it looks like or not much different than how apps work together now except now one app goes away and the other app comes to the foreground and in this um they're both running so one app is there and then another app some and in fact you can have like maps open on the left but you tap on a web link maps goes away on the left and uh and safari opens that that is a behavior too but then you've got the two things open simultaneously we should say that split view only works on the iPad Air 2 right now. Presumably, new iPads to be announced this fall will all support it. That's my guess. But they all have slide over, I think.

But they all have slide over and the other feature, which is the video picture in picture feature. Yes, which is madness. That is like, you know, you're watching a streaming video app and you can just have that app playing in a corner like a Face a facetime uh you know preview move it around they should like you can basically slide it all the way off the screen just to listen to it yeah that is really great like youtube are doing backflips because for that is amazing for for that kind of app and i think that that is really really exciting stuff yeah well I use that for

like Major League Baseball you could use it for HBO Go I mean the apps have to support it but it's that's uh yeah it's that's that's pretty cool too but the split view itself is iPad Air 2 only because it's by far the most powerful iOS device so right now that's the only place you can get it but um you know it's it's very interesting that this is happening and they also mentioned as a part of this the um the uh was it well no in in another part of the demo when they were talking about siri they also talked about apis for um apps to put their content in spotlight yep and that's exciting but they also said indexing yeah and that also means though that they said that those app apps will be able to provide essentially

a deep linking url with their search results or url format so that's you know that's deep linking supported in the system that's like automation workflow kind of stuff becoming if not mainstream becoming kind of a blessed part of what's happening in the system and that's really great too so you throw that in there with this split view and you've got some features that are traditional computer features that are um that are finally showing up on iOS for the first time. Let's talk about the keyboard. Oh, Mike. There is some magical things happening to the iPad keyboard.

So the QuickType bar, the suggestions bar, now has shortcuts, cut, copy, paste, and formatting, and I think attachments if you're in mail or whatever. But the real magical stuff is this text selection. Remember when there was that, we were talking about last week, two weeks ago, about that Apple patent that was, what if you could move your finger around on the MacBook keyboard and it would be like a trackpad?

Well, this is that on the iPad keyboard. You just move your finger around, two fingers. You put two fingers down on the keyboard instead of one. And now it's a trackpad and you can move the insertion point around move it up and down you can you can essentially click and uh drag and drag and select text it's crazy the speed there was this one point where federici was demoing this and he was doing stuff at such speed. He clearly had practiced it a lot, but it looked incredible. And he was meant to do it fast to show you like, click that, cut that, copy that page.

It was just like, wow. It's like using a laptop to select text. So forget about that. Plus, on top of that, they improved hardware keyboard support. Yep. There's a task. There's an app switcher like on OS X. You can command tab through apps. And there's an app switcher like on OS X. You can command tab

through apps. And there's just a bunch of shortcuts now. I think it said when you plug in a keyboard, it shows you them so you know what you're dealing with. It's great. It's really amazing stuff. These are all features. I mean, maybe not the picture-in-picture video

although that can make you more productive because you're not just watching a video. You're doing other stuff. But these are productivity features, and I think that's an important thing about that announcement is that these are features designed to make iOS on an iPad more capable of being a productivity tool. And we know from people like Federico that you can use it to be productive now, but this certainly makes it easier to be productive and lets you be more efficient and more productive. And maybe when I think of something like that trackpad feature on the keyboard, I think maybe make people who want to use the iPad for productivity, but just, you know, when they try, people who want to use the iPad for productivity, but just, you know, when they try, they end up saying, oh, it's too slow.

I've got to move the little cursor around with my finger and press delete a bunch of times. It's not like on my laptop where I can just zip around. And this may be the kind of feature that makes somebody who had dreamed about it, but had just said, look, the iPad, it's just not realistic, take a second look and say oh actually the ipad it really felt like this is the first time we've had something that felt like a

cursor in ios and it's only text selection but it's still it felt like a cursor right you're moving that ibeam cursor around with those two fingers and that's's, you know, this is the iPad inching closer to a traditional desktop computer metaphor, which I think is also really interesting. But it's a use case where the desktop computer is just way more efficient than the iPad input is. So really clever, looked really good. The proof will be in the use, obviously,

but just super exciting. And Siri is a personal assistant now. Siri, in fact, is a brand for finding information and not about speaking because they described Siri as being the information source behind natural language search in the search box. Even though you weren't talking, you were typing, they were saying Siri knows about these things. So Apple is sort of making it clear that what they view as Siri now is this personal information assistant, not just the thing that speaks to you.

So there's the natural language questions you can ask it stuff. It has more data like for sports and you can ask it questions like they have an example on the website. What's 18% of 5678? You can type that stuff in now. So this stuff happens typing, not just talking,

which is really good. I like that a lot. And then, you know, it has the news stuff and you meant we mentioned the deep search but it's also it's trying to do a little bit of what google now on tap was doing so you've got something up and you can get it to remind you so remind me of this later on and it will take the content from the message or the web page or whatever and do that it adds uh siri will add invites to your calendar automatically and will make more uh smart reminders for like like uh invitation

event alarms and stuff like that so it's saying like you have an appointment at six o'clock there's some traffic right now yeah you should leave this is good stuff time to leave feature yeah they said yeah and and i had a couple people ask me on Twitter during the keynote, what makes this different than what Google is doing? And we all just said that Google was doing creepy things. And why is this not creepy? The answer is it may or may not feel creepy to you that a computer knows things about you. But as far as I can tell, the big difference is everything that's happening here is happening on the device. Whereas much of what Google does happens in the cloud.

And it's up to you if you find that creepy. Sure, sure. But it doesn't compromise Apple's story here, which is it's your information on your device. But it's good. Apple needs to do this. This is a place where Apple is behind very clearly in putting all this information together and making it easy to find things and to have the computer make some assumptions about you because it knows a lot of information about you and try to help you out. This is all good stuff. We'll see how it works in practice, right? They do these demos and they

blow us away. And then in practice practice we find that half of the stuff doesn't really work right you've always got a reserve judgment on these kinds of things and then they rounded it off with what they called the foundation enhancements which are working optimizing battery life including a new

battery reserve mode kind of like the watch reserve mode I guess they didn't really give any information a low power mode they said that that as on stage said uh pulls levers you didn't even know existed to give an additional three hours extended battery life i think this is i wrote this is the place where i wrote down two of the biggest announcements of the day happened at the end of an ios section as an aside. And one of them is that according to Apple, iOS 9 will, they focused on real world use cases for battery life

and said that in typical use, a phone running iOS 9 will last an hour more. And that low power mode can extend an additional three hours of battery time. And then the second big one was you needed 4.6 gigabytes free to install iOS 8, and you'll need 1.3 gigabytes. And we talked about this a while ago on the show, about like what could they improve in iOS. And this was huge that they've cut by a quarter of the amount of space that was required for the last update. Because a lot of people didn't update because they had no room. I think one of the reasons why iOS 8 adoption is less than it's been in the past is that that people couldn't do it it's a it's 83

which is good but it could be better and one of the reasons it's not is if you only have two gigabytes free you're just not going to update because it needs four and a half and so they've really reduced that i think those i think that's two huge pieces of news making making the iphone's battery last an hour longer in common circumstances is a giant deal. And I thought it was interesting that they just kind of tossed it in there like, yeah, battery's going to be better. Maybe they don't want to oversell it. But for me, I just read that and thought that's huge. Just extending battery life in the iPhone at all, plus offering a setting where you can be like, I'm really worried.

I've got to go a long time and I'm starting to run out of battery. Also a really nice, powerful feature. starting to run out of battery also a really nice powerful feature that that again there are some android phones that do that now but but apple has not ever done that before and it's good to see them doing it they're promising better performance everywhere um and they also said that ios 9 is going to run on every device the ios 8 ran on which is good no mock no cutoffs this year in the uh in the chat room our friend dan moore and i don't even know where he is right now but he's near us somewhere says that um if your your phone knows that it's phased down on a table and won't turn the screen dot on when you receive a notification i mean smart right that's the smart stuff just using using

the sensors that you have to understand the context of the phone therefore allowing it to do make more smart decisions and it goes back to watching how people use your device and what they use it for and making smart uh changes to the features based on that just observing them and i i saw that a lot today take a break yeah do we still got more to go through we do big show today this week's episode Upgrade is also brought to you by Hover, the best way to buy and manage domain names. When you have ideas for projects or you have something that you really want to put some time into, you need a website for it, you're going to need a domain name.

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developers okay so here we go. Hey, I'm back. Was there a robot here before? I don't know. I'm so happy you're back. I smell like oil in the air as if a robot had come by. Watch OS 2. Watch us.

Watch us. Watch us. Lowercase w, no space. I don't like that. It's weird. So they have some new features. We have some new watch faces. I was kind of underwhelmed by this

uh they have time lapses of certain cities and photos i was really hoping for some other watch faces that you know they have loads of complications like the cons we have now that's what i wanted to see yeah it's not impossible that between now and the fall they will have some more i mean they don't need to communicate to customers or developers that there'll be some other watch faces. So they could add others or they could not. I'm excited. When this was just an idea, the Apple Watch, when they had the two events and we hadn't actually used the final product, I think we thought a lot about the idea of custom watch faces. final product. I think we thought a lot about the idea of custom watch faces. And having used the watch, I started to think much more about custom complications. And like the faces are nice.

There could be more of them, but they're nice. But the complications are so limited. There are just these few stock ones that Apple has provided. And it turns out this was, for me, this was the big news on the watch side of the day is, yes, native apps, we knew that would happen and that's, that's got some potential, but, um, also that native apps presumably will be able to push, um, data into complications so that I can take data from the major League Baseball app of my favorite team's current score and have it appear as a complication. Or the one that I keep thinking of is Weather Underground. I've got the temperature on my weather station at my house on Weather Underground.

I would like to see that temperature on my watch, not the, you know, whatever forecast Yahoo weather temperature that's wrong. I want the real one. And an app knows that. So my watch should be able to show that. And now with this complications, third-party complications, we get that. That's going to be exciting stuff. I'm thinking that with third-party complications, I may go into a like setting of having different customized watch faces because you can set up different ones, right? Yeah. Of the yeah i would have like my travel watch face which has my flight information on it and stuff i think that might be good to then set up and to play around with yeah i agree i mean people are doing some of that now but it's going to become even more so because there's only so

much space and different complications one thing they didn't talk about that i do think ultimately they need to do is deal with um maybe it's in there and we just don't know because it didn't make it into the keynote, but I like the idea of complications that are aware of certain kinds of states. And the example with the existing one is when the calendar complication gets to no more events of the day,

it just says no more events, which is just dumb. And I wonder if at some point down the road you should be able to do things like say i know that you're about to have a trip so now i'm going to put up the travel complication or something like that and that's probably a ways off but i feel like um that's the next intelligent agent step for the watch that goes hand in hand with the series stuff like eventually that stuff should filter into right it should know i i can call up your flight information now and display it because now i know you're about to go to go on that flight but otherwise i'm not going to show it and i'm just going to show you this other you know some other piece of information that's relevant time travel is an interesting one so when you're on

the watch face the people who brought you time machine now there's time travel is an interesting one so when you're on the watch face the people who brought you time machine now there's time travel uh basically you can spin the digital crown in either direction and it will update complications accordingly so for example your calendar will show you what's coming next or what's past uh the temperature stuff will change that kind of thing and and it'd be interesting i don't you know i don't know what's happened with some apps um but there is a an element of understanding what's going on in the past and in the in the future with this kind of right they show the that volkswagen app that was trying to estimate basically as you moved into the future it was it was able to provide an estimate for how much your electric car would be charged that doesn't make any sense to me that one because it's so

you could use it the next day and it's like that that one i get what they're doing but that doesn't make any sense to me, that one. So you could use it the next day. That one, car. Sort of just barely, but he can get it. But it needs to be fully charged. So I can see a scenario where you're looking, you're checking, and you want to see, is the car going to be fully charged? I'm going somewhere and I need it fully charged. When's that going to be? And your car's app will be able to know and give time machine. Not time machine. Time machine?

Time travel. Time machine backs things up. Time travel. Completely different. Use a time machine to not time machine time machine time travel time machine backs things up time travel completely different use a time machine for time travel that's really confusing um time travel will let you see oh i only need about 60 battery i'll get that in two hours yeah that may not be the most practical demonstration but i can see where you could use that also we should say this is a behavior that's in current watch faces now. It's in the astronomy and solar faces. That if you move the, in those, if you move the crown, you can go forward and backward in time. And so they've applied that to other faces as this concept of sort of like seeing what's happening. And it lets you see what's coming in your calendar later.

For example, if you've got a calendar complication, which is interesting. Somebody, I think, I may be stealing something from Ask Upgrade, but somebody asked about how this relates to maybe being Apple's response to the timeline view in Pebble Time. Yeah, let me find that question because that, oh no. And I'm not sure whether it's a response or not, but it seems to be Apple's attempt to solve the same problem yeah that came from oz he asked do you think the time travel thing is a response to the time limit interface i think i mean i look at that and and my feeling would be that apple saw that was

like that's smart we could do that yeah it's possible or or it was on a parallel track but it's certainly trying to solve the same problem which is okay i've got this calendar complication it shows me one thing what if i want to scroll through my calendar well you can open the calendar app but now you can just spin the the crown and move forward in time so uh we also have something that so basically you'll now turn your watch into an alarm clock like an actual digital alarm clock on your nightstand by putting your watch into a position that nobody does. I certainly don't. You don't. Stephen doesn't. Laying it on

its side, the non-button side, and it displays... Clipping the charger to the back. Yeah, clip the charger to the back and it displays a clock and it'll... Your next alarm. And your alarm and you can press the crown to snooze and you can press the other button to turn it off and it's like alarm clock mode for your watch, which is super clever.

I have never thought to put my watch in that orientation, but I guess I'll try it tonight and see what happens. And all of these stands... All the stands. None of them... No.

None of them are in that orientation. No. So now there needs to be newsstands. Yeah. Not newsstand. Newsstands. No. Newsstands.

Newsstands that work in this orientation, which is very sad. I feel terrible for people like 12 South. Yeah. That's sad. So obviously we got what we wanted. We get native apps and there's, you know, I don't really know what to say here. There's going to be native apps.

Yeah, and this is big because right now the UI, well, Apple didn't say a lot about it either. Apple said, hey, the UI, you know, was on the watch, but all the logic was happening on the iPhone app. And now it won't. It'll be on the watch. Yay. And then they moved on. Because I guess the people that happening on the iPhone app and now it won't it'll be on the watch yay and then they moved on

because I guess the people that know what that means are happy with that they don't need to say anymore well there's more sessions at WWDC but I think they felt they didn't want to dive deeper it wasn't necessary well I mean they did go into a list of things that it does right so it's it can use the network when you're on

Wi-Fi which I there were a couple people I know mentioned sort of like, well, why does that matter? And it matters that if your phone is at home, but you're at the market on the market's Wi-Fi, those apps can use the network, even though they're not attached to your phone. Right now, that wouldn't work because without your phone nearby, they don't run those apps over the internet. Do you know where that's better? The gym. Yeah, exactly, right? So the gym's Wi-Fi. Yeah, yeah.

So even if you're nowhere near, well, there your phone and your watch might be on the same Wi-Fi if you bring your watch to the gym. Well, you don't have to take your phone to the gym. But you don't have to take the phone to the gym, right? I mean, for me, the example is I walk over to Whole Foods and I just have my watch on I get to Whole Foods and I'm on the Whole Foods wifi all the apps on my watch will just work or I go to Starbucks and I'm on the Starbucks wifi

they just work so that's a big plus they have access, they can play audio out of the speaker or to bluetooth headphones they can play video use the microphone they can use the microphone they said long or short form audio and short form video They can play video. Use the microphone. They can use the microphone.

They said longer short-form audio and short-form video. I thought that was interesting. Do not play YouTube videos on here. But Vines you could do. Access to HealthKit, including heart rate. HomeKit access natively on the watch. Accelerometer access. The Taptic Engine, where you can choose.

It sounds like you don't say, buzz the Taptic Engine. What they said choose. It sounds like you don't say buzz the Taptic Engine. What they said was choose from a range of feelings. So you'll choose from an emotion palette, I guess, a vibration and sound pairing that have been curated for you, presumably by Apple's sound, vibration, Taptic pairing sommeliers or whatever. And, but you could do that. So you can, if you write a native app, because right now the native apps can't do,

the existing watch apps can't do that. They don't have access to the digital crown. They can't make noise. They can't buzz the Taptic engine. They can't do any of that stuff. And all of that is available with native. So it's a big win for, I think the qualifier that I would give is it's a big win for, I think the qualifier that I would give is it's a big win for apps that need that stuff, you know, because there are a lot of watch apps that I feel are sort of like pointless, but there are also some that will be great when they have access to this stuff.

Do you have anything else you wanted to touch on with the watch? I don't know. I don't know I'll just say I'm looking forward to hearing what developers think of the watchOS stuff because that's the open question anybody listening to ATP has heard Marco talk about I don't know if I even want to do a native watch app because like it's all in the details of what it allows him to do

and you know as somebody who runs and has a watch and has an iPhone and listens to podcasts, I do kind of like the idea of being able to take Overcast with me with a couple of podcasts and not have to bring my phone with me. I would like to do that. And if Overcast, if the watch, the new watch native apps interface allows Marco to build that tool for me, I would love to have it. But it, you know, there are like 10 things

it has to support. And if one of them isn't there, he can't do it. So I'm looking forward to hearing after the developers all go to all the sessions this week, of course, that they will, you know, they'll report back. And I'm looking forward to that because that that'll give us all non all of us non developers a little bit of a

better sense of scope of what the universe of possible Apple Watch apps is because it's not going to be everything we can imagine. There are going to be limitations, limitations of the operating system limitations of that little tiny device. It not that you know powerful it's tiny um so i'm looking forward to that now now that it's out in the open because apple promised this from day one yeah apple said back in september of last year there will be native apps eventually and we're getting very close to eventually now and we finally are going to have the details so i'm looking forward to finding out from the developers what they are. Couldn't help but watch that segment and think you should have just waited and launched with this. Yeah.

Honestly, I think you're right now. Because although there are some good apps, there are a lot of bad apps. And there's also a lot of the reliance on that kind of tethering. I have times when apps just don't launch on my watch. And I can't tell why it's happening. They just don't launch. And it's different apps at different times. Sometimes they launch, sometimes they don't.

Some apps never launch. Some apps launch half the time. It's kind of a mess. And they're not that good. I would rather have just had glances, honestly. Little information glances. Twitterific is good. The Twitterific app is really good. I would rather have just had glances, honestly. Little information glances. On no apps. Twitterific is good.

The Twitterific app is really good. But, you know, I don't know. There are good apps, but they all suffer from the same problems. And then there are a huge number that are not good. Yeah. I mean, there'll be loads of not good native apps. But the good native apps will benefit, will be even better. Because even the good ones are bad in some ways,

and it's not the developer's fault that they're bad. Now, the point... So this is really interesting, the music section. Now, we were talking earlier, right at the top of the show, about criticizing, positively and negatively, the products of the show about criticizing positively and negatively the products and the announcements and criticizing the presentation. We didn't even

mention the intro video, like the comedy intro video. So we had a couple videos, right? There was the Bill Hader video at the beginning, which was funny. Funny. It was good. It worked. It was a... I thought it was funny and

making... I mean, it really was like let's do a Saturday Night Live video about Apple things, making references. There's the birds from Monument Valley were in there. Angry birds. Get angry! Shaking the bird. It was funny. So there was that video.

There were a bunch of videos because there was a video later about how great music is. How great developers are. How great developers are. How the app stores changed the world. Loads of videos, actually. Lots of videos in there.

But the problem with music is, so for me, as a person that wanted this service, they have given me everything I wanted, in theory. I still feel like there's a lot more I need to learn. So Apple Music is what we're talking about. Yeah, Apple Music. It's the Beats Music revised to be Apple Music, new service, which they announced. You didn't really announce that clearly.

You just sort of jumped into it, paralleling, I think, this event, which never really was super clear on what the service was there are a lot of questions but the overview of what i've seen is exactly what i want it's streaming service that has curation yeah with playlists yes done by humans yeah and they they made a point that that's one of their big differentiators is they really believe in human curators who know and love music and that they are they said um you got to go beyond the algorithm you can't just have an algorithm you have to have people um and that's that's their that's what they're pushing here which was beats is beats beats tried to make a big thing about that too and apple is extending that and i think that's good this is this is very much beats music integrated into

apple's music app the problem was the presentation of this service seemed under rehearsed uh and way too long and just unfocused if we get to meta, if we pull back to meta key note criticism as a presentation, I felt like the first 90 minutes of this presentation was really, really good. Tight, focused, disciplined, on message. The last segment with music was none of those things. It was flabby.

It was undisciplined. it was self-indulgent it failed to sell the product i i will uh as somebody who was at macworld expo in new york in 2001 where john rubenstein um spent like half an hour with weird animations of how the megahertz myth wasn't real of Apple versus Intel. This is the worst keynote performance since then. This segment, this was, this was a bad,

they did a bad job. And part of that might be, well, those music guys, they're crazy. But I got to say, there was a moment in there when Eddie Q was joking around on stage where I thought, oh,

this is what people mean when they say that they find Apple presentations insufferable and arrogant. Yeah. And I don't generally agree with that. I think that those people are generally wrong. But it was like I was taken through the looking glass for a moment there because I thought it was awful. I thought they did a bad job. They didn't sell the product. And it was various degrees of embarrassing i mean i thought eddie q went on way too long like he was really enjoying being on stage

and was wasting our time so much music it didn't make any sense playing music loudly while talking he was giving us a demo i mean if we want to talk about the discipline here he was giving us a demo of the music app like this is a it felt like a presentation of a music service by people who don't understand how to present services. And so they just presented an app and showed the music service inside the app. But I don't think that did a good job of showing it. Like, yes, we know how the music app works. But is the big story here that they revamped the music app or that there's a whole music service backing it? And it felt like at times that the music app was the story. There was also a really funny moment. I actually had to lean over to Dan Morin and say,

did I just hear that right? Where he said, say we want to find an album. What we do is we tap on this button down at the bottom that says artists. And the answer is it's like a toggle for all your different search types. But in that moment, I was like, wow, that's really bad user interface design. To find albums, tap artists. To find artists, tap albums. Because it's never the thing you want to search for. It's the thing that you're already looking at. But again, I was like, this is an app demo,

and the service is the story, so why are you demoing the app and not the service? Jimmy Iovine's presentation was rambly he either didn't care or was really nervous i can't decide which one it was and that one was amazing because i felt like if this was a third somebody they carted out from some other from a record company to make a presentation they would have said look you've got 30 seconds and then we're just going to come back out there and get you and turn off your microphone. But he works for the company now. They can't turn off his mic. They can't use the big hook to pull him

off stage. He works for Apple. So they just left him out there. And then they brought Drake out. And Drake, which was literally like, I mean, again, I think this is the difference between the tech industry and the music industry. Music industry, it's like schmoozing and talking up the artists and all this stuff. And that's the problem I have with this presentation, I think, fundamentally, in addition to it being undisciplined and way too long and having no focus, is that it didn't feel like it was about the consumers

so much as about paying service to the music industry. Drake was supposed to come on stage to explain the Kinect feature. Yeah, to say, I'm really excited about connecting with my fans. Instead, he told his story. industry drake was supposed to come on stage to explain the connect feature yeah to say this i'm really excited about connecting with my fans instead he told his story i don't know why he did that and then went away again and that just oh yeah so you know i am i'm a beats music user i think this i'm excited about this it sounds like beats music users will be able to log in at the

end of the month and cut and and basically transfer all of their stuff over to Apple Music. I think any credit that you've got in Beats Music transfers to iTunes. There's a whole process that'll happen. It seems like most of the Beats Music features are there and then they've been maybe augmented a little bit. little bit but um and they're doing this uh they're doing this radio station thing which like um like uh like podcasting is worldwide and immediate which is nice instead of like being in four countries that's going to be everywhere with your guy zane low so zane low's heading beats one now i have a i i can see why they're calling it Beats 1, because eventually there'll be Beats 2,

and there'll be Beats 3. Zane Lowe came from Radio 1. Radio 1's logo looks incredibly like Beats 1's logo. And I'm not sure why they have decided to go that route. I don't know if he advised on it, and Apple has not done due diligence, but there are... Trademark issues?

Yeah, I think that they could run into an... Just because the Beats logo is a circle, and then you have a big number one, and it reminds me of the Radio 1 logo. I am very interested and excited about this. My main concern with Beats 1 is there is one channel that is DJed. That is not taking into account different music tastes. And it seemed like they will have other radio,

but that's going to be the radio that they criticized, which I didn't understand, the playlist radio. But there is going to be a curated radio, which I will tune into because Zane Lowe is amazing. And do you know what they spoke about, which I found so exciting? They said they are building radio programs. They are creating radio programs

and they're hiring people to make those. They have three DJs, whose names I can't remember, in New York, LA, and London. Yeah. And the lady who is the London DJ was doing the voiceover for the video. That's Julie in London. Julie in London, there you go. And so the service looks to me exactly what I want.

Apple did a horrific job of presenting it. And that's what I was getting at, is I can criticize the presentation. Apple did a horrific job of presenting it. And that's what I was getting at, you know, is I can criticize the presentation. I think the service is really interesting. In fact, one of the reasons I feel like I have to criticize the presentation even more is that you can kind of forgive them

from obfuscating something that's not any good and being like, look fireworks sparklers an elephant there's this thing it's the it's it's the motorola rocker yeah right but this looks good it's apple's first foray into you know music streaming subscription service they mean business they're putting it on Android. They mean business. I know, right? And yet, so one of the reasons

that I'm this critical of the way that they presented it is I think they did a bad job of presenting a good product. And that's offensive to me more than anything else. It's like, come on, guys. You had this really interesting thing

and you rolled it out in this just bloated, egocentric, you know, and it doesn't help that there was that video um not too much before this where they where somebody literally uh compared the app store to the industrial revolution that was priming the pump a little bit of like really that is laying it on pretty thick but the music thing just put it to shame the the the eddie q dancing to music and the karaoke references and the jimmy iovine's rambling and drake not being sure why he was there like you know like he just turned up they're writing jokes for him that he didn't understand like the revolutionary like it's three things

that jimmy iovine was making that slide makes reference to steve jobs thing i thought that's where he was going which is why everybody laughed instead, he's confused why people are laughing. He looks behind him at the slide. He goes, oh, yeah. Like, he doesn't really even understand what was happening. And that would have been funny. Like, Apple Music is three things. It's a revolutionary this.

It's the, are you getting it? That would have been a funny bit. Instead, he was just confused and rambly and, you know. Making a new endo. it's saying something that eddie q was the third worst presenter in that segment because there's drake we got drake drake's drake's at the top uh for it really it was not good so it's so it's 90 minutes of good and then there was this this kind of like flabby uh unfocused thing at the end to launch the service. And the service deserved better. Do you know what it's just done?

What it's just done here, it's going to do everywhere. We're talking about how bad the presentation was and not how good the product is. We haven't even said about how much it's going to cost. We haven't spoken about any of that.

Which is why I was saying this is really useful when you are trying to hide things. But when you've got something you want to stand behind, unless this is like, well, let's analyze Eddie Q's blinking for Morse code. Perhaps he's sending secret messages to the music industry.

And this whole thing is pitched at artists to get them excited because it certainly felt like, you know, music industry puffery about how great Apple is and artists and we love them and all of that instead of being pitched to consumers. Maybe that was the point. Maybe this is all about how Taylor Swift really ought to talk, call Eddie Q and call Jimmy Iovine and get in on this great thing. But it's a shame if you're trying to make a clear message of this new service that you're launching. So it's $9.99 a month. First three months are going to be free. It launches at the end of June. So people are going to get to use it for three months for free. Then it's $9.99 a month or $14.99 a month for up to six members of your family.

That uses iTunes Family Sharing to do that. But that means that, you know, your kids' music tastes are not recommended for you, which is key. That's important. And, yeah. Yeah, and Android. Android in the fall.

So I'm looking at they've got a free tier, they've got a paid tier. So the free tier, you can view and follow artists on Kinect, you can listen to Beats 1, and you can listen to apple music radio stations sure but you can't skip them and then with the paid tier you can skip the radio stations like the curate radio stations that kind of thing you can play and save connect content you can like connect content or radio songs enjoy unlimited listening from the music library add stuff from the music library to your collection, save for offline,

and get the expert music recommendations. That's what comes with paying for Apple Music. And that's basically what we have now, right? That's like you're paying for Beats Music. iTunes Match exists. It's sold separately. It's not integrated in any way. Right.

And yeah, so if you want to stream, you can do that. But if you want to skip or have access to the library, you pay. And I think it makes sense. I just am a little, it was weird. It was really weird. That struck me as a nice 15 minute capper to the event. And instead it was this 30 minute, just bizarre thing. It was like Merlin Mann summed it up greatly in an ask upgrade tweet to us he said for real please explain apple music slowly

to me it's beats plus itunes match plus social something like yeah i mean that was what they needed to explain right and it's not itunes match yeah it's itunes match when you think about it makes sense itunes matches more of a service for people who own music well i mean the thing is it's itunes match when you think about it makes sense itunes match is more of a service for people who own music well i mean the thing is it's not itunes match but they did say that the stuff that you have bought will show up in your apple music library yes so it's kind of like itunes match right as long as you well if i if i buy a taylor swift cd and rip it it's in my itunes library for itunes match but i'm pretty sure if i'm just if that's not on the service then it's not going to show up but that doesn't matter because you can just i don't even know what i do anyway yeah i think it just shows up in your library

automatically i think that's the thing maybe auto magically yeah automatically that's even better so should we do some mask upgrade yeah let's do it let's do it we'll move on enough negativity about i'm really excited about apple music this is exactly what we have been speaking about one thing is really a cool idea too yeah i love that and like we've been talking about this unconnected for months and this is exactly what me and federico want but they were ham-fisted and awkward and just par-quality. Maybe it'll be like having a baby. In the end, you get the baby and you don't have to worry about

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because I just, you know, went to the keynote. We just walked right in. All my information about Apple Music is the information content of the presentation about Apple Music, which as we've just detailed, it was not a lot. Your entire library lives in iCloud

when you're an Apple Music member. First, we identify all the tracks in your personal collection and compare them to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies. If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud across all your devices. If you have music that's not in the Apple Music library,

we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC, and because it's all stored in iCloud. So it's available everywhere. So it is iTunes Match. Yeah, so basically iTunes Match seems to be for people who don't want to pay for a streaming service. Then you just pay for iTunes Match.

Stephen Hackett, ladies and gentlemen. That's interesting. Well, then if that's the case, then I can just let my iTunes Match subscription lapse. Mine renewed like a week ago. Yeah. I wonder if I could talk them into transferring that into credit or something since I've already got, I don't know.

But yeah, then it is. It has that feature inside it. I have a small selection of Ask Upgrade. Yes, we got a lot. And thank you, everybody. Yeah, we got a lot. We actually answered a bunch of them throughout the episode. So I've gone in and I picked out the stuff that I think is left

that we haven't yet spoken about. So this comes from Ben. What is the significance of Apple making Swift open source? This is something I don't really get. Well, okay. My guess is that the advantage of that is that it can't be seen as a proprietary thing that Apple can run away with, that theoretically somebody could implement Swift elsewhere on other platforms and that would be

okay. I'm not sure if it has any practical use or not. I would like to hear a developer who's familiar with platforms and languages and things like that talk more about it. I like that Apple's open about it and not trying to say, no, no, this is ours. Stay away. I guess listen to ATP, right? You'll get what you need. I guess I'm sure.

Basically, I want to hear what John has to say about it. So that's a follow-out, future follow-out. From Nathan, would you have expected Apple to address stability or issues like Discovery D in this venue?

Or do you think they'll do this in other points at WWDC in the week? Or just completely gloss over it and just be like, just say what they said. We're making it better. There's probably a session somewhere where they'll talk about it that's about

some esoteric something involving low-level networking or networking APIs or something like that where somebody will say, oh yeah, we brought back the old one because it's more stable and thank you for your feedback. And we'll bring back the new one once we're sure that it will work better or something. I think that'll be it.

And then we have from The Hexagon. What do you think of the new photo extensions for mac the idea that they're going to have them i mean they kind of mentioned that this might be a thing yeah what do you think about that uh it's good that the more extensions you can add to photos the better because that functionality there's sort of base functionality there and they suggested when they announced that Aperture was going away, I think they implied that that would happen

and it just hadn't happened with the 1.0. In fact, I think I wrote a little sidebar in my book about photos that says it's a 1.0 and it's entirely possible that their strategy is what it was with Final Cut, which is get the 1.0 out there and then start adding in all those features that everybody's complaining that aren't there. But they couldn't do it all at once, so they'll roll them in. And maybe that's what we're looking at here, is rolling some of that stuff in now.

Rajiv asked, are you surprised there was no announcement on photos or iCloud storage pricing? I'm not surprised. I'm a storage pricing. I'm not surprised. I'm a little disappointed. I'm not sure that was necessary now. I think they could announce that at any point if they really want to change their storage pricing. I do feel like it's too high and it's going to depress use of these services.

But Apple has better numbers about that. All I have is my opinions. Apple has really good numbers about that sort of thing. I'm sure they have estimates internally about how well they think this is going to sell and how many people are complaining that they're out of space or whatever and what the size of the average photo library is

and all these things that they probably know. And if they feel like they're not living up to what they expect and suspect that it's because their pricing is too high then they'll change it i don't think they need to do it today i'm a little disappointed because it would have been i want it to happen i want them to be more competitive with their rates but you know they could do that they could literally do that anytime and not even tell anybody and just change it they don't even need an event or a press release finally from josh

does notes still have the terrible paper background texture? I think so. I'm fortunate, I think. I wish they would have gotten rid of that. Maybe there's a preference to... I wish there won't be, but I wish there was. I don't think there is. I think if they're going to make the app more sensible and serious,

I think they should treat the UI similarly, in my opinion. I don't even understand why in the iOS 7 land it would still look like that and have like this textured paper background. The legal pad thing too is just baffling to me. Yeah. The post-it notes. Yeah.

It's very weird. No. Not a fan of that, but we'll see what happens there. I think we've come to the end. I think so. So we've reached the end now. We're going to be doing a bunch of shows from San Francisco this week.

There's going to be a lot more coverage of WWDC. You want to check out Connected, Clockwise, and Rocket. Going to be a bunch of different angles on this stuff, and we're going to be covering it throughout the week, so you can check those out on relay.fm. There'll be a lot of interesting stuff there that you'll be able to uh to treat your ears to throughout this week as we you know find out more about this stuff and talk about it as the

week goes on talk to developers see what they think and we'll be able to report back to you guys what the word on the street in san francisco is that's right we're we're here we're high atop the relay towers right now broadcasting live live like Beats 1. Beats 1 will join us later, but we are broadcasting live worldwide with no staggered release windows simultaneously worldwide right now. That's just how we do it. From San Francisco. If you want to send us in feedback, follow up, that kind of thing, you can always use hashtag AskUpgrade for that stuff as well as your questions. You can speak to me and jason personally on twitter jason is at j snell j s n e double l and i am at i mike i m y k e

jason will have some great coverage and thoughts and feelings about this stuff over at six colors dot com so you can check him out there i'm sure you'll be getting down to help you out of that as well he's working on something right now in fact wow look at that and then we'll be yeah and we'll be here for Clockwise on Wednesday. Yep, so that'll be really good stuff. So you can check that out. Thanks again to our sponsors this week, MailRoute, Hover, and Field Notes. And we'll be back

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