Upgrade - 414: The Meat Seems Questionable

Episode Date: July 4, 2022

This July 4 Jason spends some time away from the grill to discuss charity shops, stroopwafels, and the differences between the U.S. and the UK. Meanwhile, Myke has been inspired to build his own iPad-based status board. Vive la différence, as they say in yet another country.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode 414 today's show is brought to you by sourcegraph fitpod doordash and bombas my name is mike hurley and i'm joined by jason snow hi just now hello mike hurley how are you i'm good i have a hashtag snow talk question for you Dodd, Doddash, and Bombas. My name is Mike Hurley, and I'm joined by Jason Snell. Hi, Jason Snell. Hello, Mike Hurley. How are you? I'm good. I have a hashtag Snell Talk question for you. All right. Mark wants to know, when you stay in a hotel, do you use the drawers and closets that they provide,

or do you leave your things in your bags, in your luggage? Interesting. I'm curious. So what I'll say real quick before you answer. Yeah. To me, I read this question and was like, there's only one answer for this. kind of depending asterisk but to me there's one answer for this which is you use the drawers and closets unless unless it's a very short trip so then i would not unpack if i'm there for like two days i'm just gonna leave it in the in the back but if i'm there for like a

week or longer i'm unpacking i i have to add on top of mark's question here to be if they have the little thing that you can unfold that's like the little place that you put your your suitcase so it's yeah it's up yeah do you use that or do you just lay it on the floor is the other question because sometimes i don't use that and i I just, I'm like, oh yeah, there's that thing, but it's already on the floor. So my answer is very similar to yours. I suspect perhaps our formula might vary a little bit, but it's similar to yours, which is when we went to Hawaii in February and we were there for a week, I took all the clothes out and put them in the drawers. It was a big place. There was lots of furniture, plenty of place to put clothes.

So we put all the clothes in the drawers and then closed up the suitcase and put it in the closet. Because that was more convenient. I will say, I don't usually stay in a hotel for a week. I'm usually there for a shorter period of time. I'm usually there going somewhere else. I don't there for a shorter period of time. I'm usually there going somewhere else. I don't take a lot of long vacations. And when I do, sometimes they're broken up and all, you know, and I do, you know, back in the day, especially a lot of business trips. If, if I'm only going to be in the room for like a day or two, or like when we go to Oregon for

like college stuff for the kids and all that stuff. Like it's like the best Western in Eugene, Oregon. Like, I mean, it's got some drawers, but we're there for two days. There's not that much stuff in my suitcase anyway. We just, I just leave it in the suitcase, right? Like, it's just like, yeah, I'll just leave it in the suitcase. It's not that big a deal. But if I'm going to be there for a decent amount of time, and I guess part of my formula would be if if there's uh if there are are drawers if there's enough room if it feels like more convenient to do that and then stash the suitcase somewhere i will do that but i i think it i think it takes time um because you really want to settle in right and stash that bag somewhere and then just sort of live out of the drawers.

So, yeah, functionally, my answer to Mark is that I leave my things in my luggage because I'm very rarely at a place for so long that I would take them out. But if I am, and I just did that this year, then sure, I'll put them in the drawers. It's fun. It's better. It's not fun living out of a suitcase and sort of sorting through. It's fun. It's better. It's not fun living out of a suitcase and sort of sorting through. And then we actually have, my suitcase has a bag, a laundry bag. A removable, washable laundry bag. Yes, from a past sponsor, in fact.

And that is really nice. And I've traveled with a laundry bag before because the other thing you don't want to have ideally is the pile of dirty clothes in the corner um which sometimes is what you end up with so yeah and also sometimes on trips you don't wear all the clothes and then when you come home you can just hang the ones back up that you want one and if you have them in a laundry bag then you know top tip get take it if your suitcase doesn't have a laundry bag in it get a little bag like a small little bag that you can zip up and throw in your suitcase. Yeah, get a little cloth laundry bag. And then, I mean, Kate mentioned this in the Discord, but like, yeah, if you've got a suit or something that needs to be hung up, you immediately pull that out when you get there and you hang it up, right?

That part is not in dispute, right? That's the, you know, keep that thing folded up in your suitcase as as short a time as possible but then for the rest of it it yeah it depends like because there's no point in unpacking a small suitcase into a small set of drawers for two days or for something it's like there's no point in that i actually in listening to you talk i've refined my initial point it's not about time for me. It's mindset. Am I living in this place or am I in transit?

That's good. Yes. Also, when I'm doing a lot of work stuff, if I'm going to an Apple briefing or something like that, if there's not a lot of time spent in the room, the room is really just there to go back at the end of the day and go to bed and then get up in the morning. And it's not a place where you're because the place in Hawaii, we went, you know, we were also hanging out in there with the family and we like watch movies and we were, we were making dinner and making breakfast. And like, there's lots of stuff we were doing, hanging out on the one eye, like we were doing, we were living in the place that is different than some places where you're really just there to maybe do a little bit of work and sleep. And the rest of the time you're out doing your other stuff. Then you're not living in that space anyway.

So that's part of it too. Thank you so much to Mark for that question. It's a good question. It's a good summary. Go figure. Good summary question. You can send in questions of your own by tweeting out the hashtag Snell Talk or use question mark Snell Talk in the RelayFM members Discord. Got some follow out for you, Jason Snell. upgrade your wardrobe.com we have our t-shirts available until

july 13th do not miss out there are some great t-shirt options available to you um we have like a week and a day or something like that that are available for yeah you get the you get the brand new summer of fun which is, especially in yellow and green. It's got the iPhone like a surfboard and there's a pineapple and the upgrade logo is a sun going down. We've got last year's beautiful upgrade Summer of Fun logo,

which is basically based on the Summer of Fun logo that we use in the podcast art. It's the setting sun with the upgrade logo as well. And then we brought back the dongle town the original dongle town port authority get it port authority um and it's available in the white on navy or the black on orange it's beautiful so those are there uh and while you're there i believe they still have some upgrade pins in stock so you know we're gonna they sold out of those are we sold out they sold oh my god i just clicked and they said that it's completely sold out i can't believe it so i thought we were gonna have those pins. They sold out of those. Have we sold out? They sold out. Oh my God. I just clicked and they said

that it's completely sold out. I can't believe it. So don't, never mind. I thought we were going to have those in stock forever. Forever. We're never going to get rid of them. Well, forget about the pins.

Forget about the pins because it takes a long time to sell pins. And instead, just focus on the beautiful Summer of Fun. You can wear them, by the way, anytime.

Also, if you're in the Southern Hemisphere, get them now for your Summer of Fun. Summer of Fun's a state of mind, man. It is a state of mind. I wear my summer of fun t-shirt all the time. I mean, not 24 hours a day, seven days a week, but it's seasonal or it's not seasonal.

I will bring it out for the state of mind. If it's a nice day, it may be a summer of fun day for me. Upgradeyourwardrobe.com. Jason, you have some great follow-up. A little wardrobe-related follow-out. Listener Igor tweeted at us. He found an old, very old, like 2016, 17 vintage upgrade T-shirt at a charity shop in London.

It was next to an old Daring Fireball shirt, which is hilarious. Now, several people pointed out the Daring Fireball shirt was actually priced higher. I choose to believe that this is because the upgrade shirt was well-loved and worn a lot, and the Daring Fireball shirt was rarely, if ever, worn, and therefore was in better condition, and therefore merited the higher price than the beautiful, beautiful upgrade shirt. Anyway, Igor said he is not one to buy a lot of merch and so he was very happy to see them and apparently bought the upgrade shirt and i think that's great i love it man i've just done this last weekend i went through my t-shirt drawer and cleared out a bunch in uh preparation for the summer of fun uh-huh coming in so i got rid of a few shirts so there are

somewhere in london there are things that i have donated honestly depending on where they are that could be mine i just realized oh my god it could have been mine that could be well that would be even they should really mark up the price now that would be hilarious if they would be uh you should put like a secret symbol on the tag or something so that people will find your your shirts know that it's they belong to you a little secret mark that's the mic mark oh my god they are large shirts it is not outside of the realm of possibility that depending on where they were in london uh that they could have been my t-shirts. This has only now just hit me because I owned both of these shirts.

No longer own both of these shirts. Interesting. I think he said Hempstead? No, see, that's not where I am. But who knows, though? We just donated to a central place. We don't know the shirt circulation of the charity shops in London, right?

The ecosystem of that. It may go from place to place or get re... I don't even know. Anyway, if you don't order upgradeyourwardrobe.com by July 13th, you will be forced to haunt the charity shops in hopes of your nerd t-shirts turning up.

And that leads me to my mic talk question for today. We're back at this segment. Have you ever shopped in a charity shop? I have. I know I've been in them and I've looked around. I don't know if I've ever bought anything from a charity shop just because there's not been anything I've wanted. All right. If you've wandered around in it, I think that counts.

You don't actually have to have made a purchase. I would again. For me, more interesting furniture items, I think, would be the thing I would be the most intrigued about because I'm not really a vintage cloth, the clothing wearer, you know ironic t-shirts um she she really likes the you know i like the wine ant uh t-shirts right where it's like my like i don't really think but yeah yeah yeah because i mean it's hilarious right like it's it's the like i you know just i'm happy as long as i'm drinking wine and there's a picture and she's just she thinks it's hilarious anyway uh so she loves it for her christmas present last year i went to a local uh charity shop turned out to be her favorite one i didn't actually know that

um and i decided to my theme gift was we were going to give her cash for charity shop shopping but i wanted it to be a thrift store theme so i bought her a few uh bits of ironic clothing part of it and was very amazed like if you find stuff that's any good you know for like a dollar it's it like it's amazing the things you can find and i think that's why she loves it um i bought her a facebook related t-shirt somebody obviously there were a lot of facebook t-shirts there somebody obviously uh worked or works at facebook in my local area and donated all of her t-shirts to charity uh so i got jamie one of those and we all laughed but she wasn't going to wear it and there was however an arrested development themed t-shirt that i found that i thought was

hilarious and she has worn that and she liked that that was a hit so anyway it was fun that was the yeah just local charity shop thing so you never know you never get some fun stuff right like that's the difference of charity shopping like because igor was just poking around and ended up finding a t-shirt they genuinely wanted he's like oh i'll listen to this podcast and i've never bought it so now i'm gonna buy this thing for 199 or whatever and i'm now going to believe that that is my t-shirt that's's t-shirt. That's what we're going to go with. It's canon now. Upgrade canon.

Listener Igor found the hidden secret Mike's upgrade t-shirt in a charity shop. If you love Upgrade and you want more of it, you should subscribe to Upgrade Plus because you will get longer episodes, bonus content, and no ads along with tons of other benefits of being a RelayFM member. You get access to our Discord. You get tons more content from your favorite RelayFM hosts and so much more. Just go to getupgradeplus.com and you can sign up. It's $5 a month or $50 a year. Thank you to all of you that have. We genuinely appreciate your support. This is kind of around the time of year where our annuals are renewing. So thank you so much if you've

continued to support the show for another year, if you're one of our annual members. It's kind of around this time of year. And of course, our monthly members, thank you to you as well. I have some follow-up for you, Jason. Okay. According to Mark Gurman, this is not Room Around Up. This is a thing. According to Mark Gurman, Apple is not expecting to require employees to return to the office anytime soon got a couple of quotes that Mark shared that he was kind of given from a source

a full implementation of the return to office plan is probably not imminent more employees are testing positive for COVID than ever yep and so my question really like I'm not really sure what the plan is here like from apple's perspective like i kind of feel like they just have to choose a path do they either decide

that they are going to allow for way more flexibility in their working from home or are they going to say it's time to come back like because, because I just don't see what are you waiting for? Like, what do you think is going to change? Right? Yeah, I think that's where they are right now is they're basically saying, well, when this all blows over, we're all going to return to work. And then they keep changing how, you know, when it's going to blow over. Because I don't know if that yet.

Not yet. I don't know if there ever will be like a blowing over. Right. I don't know either. Right will be like a blowing over, right? I don't know either, right? It's just going to go up and down, up and down, up and down. Yeah. And so I kind of feel like many tech companies, they actually just need to make a policy and then enforce the policy because they haven't really made a policy.

Their policy is based on an alternate history, I feel like, at this point. Yeah. And I kind of feel like they need to just be like hey we're going to be a flexible working company now and that's that because they kind of felt like they were going i mean not a great way but partly in that direction right a couple of days a week or whatever but now they're still like don't worry about it don't come back but maybe in the future we'll take it just feels like people can't move forward if they're in this limbo i'm sure so i feel like they need to just make some decisions and they seem to still be incapable of doing that yeah it's a uh it's a this is this is a tough one like i get it you're you're comment about alternate history i think is dead on which is um i think a lot of policies were made in a

return to work era where i was like oh well it's all over and i mean to apple's credit apple is showing awareness that it's not all over yeah that is good right that they aren't they aren't you know but still right then it's like okay so i think now you can clearly see what's happening you need to reassess what that policy was and make a new one right exactly because this is not this is an ongoing thing and there are going to be issues and like i mean for people i know that there's a tendency for people to say well it's over because everybody's tired of it. But like, there's a lot of COVID out there and there are successive waves of variants. And the new, what is it, BA5 that is rising is not only more, it has a tendency to spread more, the the the not to get technical but the shape of the

protein has mutated to the point where a lot of the value of having gotten it before or having gotten vaccinated before has the efficacy of that has been reduced so you're going to see more spread and like there are still people get it and and i mean you know mike like it's it's some people get it and they don't feel sick at all or they feel sick for a few days people who get it. And I mean, you know, Mike, like it's some people get it and they don't feel sick at all or they feel sick for a few days. Other people get it and they're sick for a long time. So you kind of want to not have

your employees get it if you're an employer. And if you've shown that you can do your job remotely, forcing you to go back into the office and risk getting COVID when you don't need to be there seems like a bad idea. Yeah. I mean, I would like them to just make a reset and say, look, we believe in in-person work and we want

to return there, but we're indefinitely putting it off and we will figure out a new plan at the very least because this kind of just pushing it off. Because the other thing is it seems like this is going to be a bumpy ride, too. Like they're waiting for the perfect moment to bring everybody back. There's not going to be a perfect moment. But even if there was a perfect moment, guess what the perfect moment will be followed by? A backslide where something happens and there's an uptick. And then they're going to have to deal with the backslide.

So maybe don't wait for the perfect moment and be a little bit clearer about, about what you're doing. And I feel for them and any, any employer who is in a situation like this, but you know, you got to take care of your employees and and you forcing them back in when you don't need to, when you don't need to is the, is the real issue here. Because there are, I know they've gotten a lot of pushback from their employees who said we don't, it's not necessary for us to be present. And I understand Apple saying, yeah, but we like it.

It's like, okay, but that's probably not sufficient right now. I'm still sick. So I'm not going to be wrong. I'm not saying people should be going back to the office here, right? But I just feel like their policies are not what they should be. It just seems strange. You just delay it forever. I saw on your wonderful web blog, sixcolors.com,

that you found and posted the first photo you took on your iPhone. This came up in an Ask Upgrade question some number of weeks ago, and I just thought it was a very cute little photo. This photo is more fun than I imagined. I it it's just so weird and great this is this is um my son in a meadow in the sierra nevada it is img 008 um because we had that ask upgrade question and like i can't find one and two is like a super blurry picture of my kids in the back seat of the car and three and four are like traffic out the front windshield because i'm testing the camera while my wife drives us to up in the mountains but number eight is julian standing amid all of these flowers in a meadow in the sierra nevada holding a chocolate chip cookie

okay so yeah and he's two at that point and that was 15 years ago and he is yes the math works out he's 17 about to turn 18 so time flies when you're reviewing iphones i guess it's the cookie that does it for me man i know right well that was my thought too is like oh i have all these pictures of julian in the meadow and then i looked and i'm like holding a? Well, that was my thought too. It's like, oh, I have all these pictures of Julian in the meadow. And then I looked and I'm like, holding a cookie. Okay. So that was why my caption says my two-year-old son in a Sierra meadow with cookie.

But that's also, that's the family camp we go to, or we went to for several years when the kids were younger. And, you know, they, I think when they get you there, they probably hand the kids a cookie or something like that. So this is kind of that camp experience in a nutshell, which is you're out in the middle of nowhere with cookies. Oh, yeah.

In the park suites or something? It's the Residence Inn, I think. Maybe? No. Double Tree. It's Double Tree. It gives you a cookie when you check in. But it's always a cookie with nuts in it.

So I'm like, well, this is useless. I know, right? Their cookie recipe has nuts in it it's it's always a cookie with nuts in it so i'm like well this is useless i know right their cookie recipe has nuts in it it's too bad sorry about that i know why people do that i know this episode of upgrade is brought to you by sourcegraph so you've hired a brilliant developer it's awesome you love it it's great but now you have to get them onboarded and if your company is growing onboarding new developers will be a common occurrence and a big undertaking every time. One of the huge challenges for new hires is to get them up to speed with the project that they're going to be working on with their team.

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and to see what it can do for yours. Or just click the link in the show notes to learn more about it and to let them know that you heard about Sourcegraph from this show. Our thanks to Sourcegraph for their support of this episode and RelayFM. Jason, I would like to take a trip back to the Netherlands.

We haven't been in the Netherlands for a while. You know, that's where my daughter is right now. Really? Yeah. Well. Yeah, she's not very far from you, I suppose, because the Netherlands isn't that far from you. Yeah, she's doing a little summer program in Amsterdam.

It's awesome. So I've been thinking about the Netherlands. Did you know, before we get into this, because there's interesting things about the Netherlands. I mean, it's Stroopwafel. It's awesome. So I've been thinking about the Netherlands. Did you know, before we get into this, because there's interesting things about the Netherlands. I mean, Stroopwafel. It's a given. Sorry, I'm really, I'm playing up the summer of fun angle here. We're having fun today. It's the 4th of July. It's a holiday

for me and I'm doing a podcast and it's the summer of fun and we're, little digressions here. So one, Stroopwafels. They're the best. Just, come on. Two is, I have a story about payment systems in the Netherlands. Apologies to all the Netherlands listeners out there. But my understanding is the Netherlands actually was a leader in terms of payment terminals and contactless payment and other kind of like electronic payments. But as a side effect of that, they were so early. You know how this goes, right? They were so early that then when the world caught on, they caught on slightly differently.

And so they're a little bit askew from the rest of the world. And although my understanding is that they're kind of getting back on board, and then in the next couple of years, they'll kind of be all the way back. There is a very interesting, strange little quirk. And it bit Jamie this weekend, which is funny because when we were in the Netherlands a couple of years ago, right before your wedding, it bit us too, which is the best, biggest, most popular, whatever, market in the Netherlands

is Albert Heijn. And they accept credit cards, but they only accept, or I think they Maestro cards, which are a very specific Netherlands only credit slash debit card. We used to have them, but they got rid of Maestro. Maestro card is MasterCard. But it's their debit. MasterCard has turned it into MasterCard debit. But in the Netherlands, Maestro still exists.

My understanding is that next year they're shutting it down. But for now, they're just holding on to it. And Albert Heijn is like, no, nobody who doesn't have a Dutch debit card can pay with a card here. And then they put ATMs in their lobbies so that you can go get money. But Jamie went to the ATM and had no money in it, which is also bad. Anyway, I looked up, like, can you get a prepaid debit card? No, you can't. You can't do any of those things.

So it was just a funny moment of the Netherlands. You know, they always say, oh, you Americans, you're so backward. You know, Europe, we've had all this stuff at the same time. Yeah, try to buy some groceries at an Albert Heine sometime. Try it. Try it. You can't. You just can't.

So anyway, those are my Netherlands facts, which is Maestro cards, Stroopwafels, and dating apps. So I'm sure Upgradians will remember we spent a lot of time talking about Apple's rules in the Netherlands around dating apps. They've made some more changes. So they have once again, so this is, again again apple making concessions to the netherlands authority for consumers the acm on allowing external payments by from from third-party payment processes and external linking in dating apps based on a ruling apple have once again

softened the language on the mandatory message to the show to users so if you say you want to pay with an external you know say like oh i want to not use Apple's payment, I use an external payment. There was a sheet that came up and originally made it seem like you're about to go speak to a fraudster or some description, right? And then they softened it. They've softened that language further before you get shown alternate options for payment. Previously as well, there were two buttons on that little sheet that popped up. One continue, one says cancel. Now it's just one button that says, I understand, which I think is pretty cool. Developers are now able-

Less passive aggressive, right? Way less, yeah. Developers are now able to use both type of entitlements. So there are two entitlements that you can have. One is third-party payments inside your app. The other is external linking. At one point, Apple were just saying

you can only choose one of these. Now you can use both of them. They've broadened some of the requirements for payment processors. Apple had a very strict set of rules for the type of processor you could use, and they've relaxed that a little bit. And they've also updated the commission structure.

Now, stick with me here. Previously, Apple was saying that it was a flat 27% that you would receive from every transaction, and then you had to give Apple the rest, right? Now, you get a 3% discount instead. The difference here is if you are in some kind of program, like the small business program or on a subscription, you could get your fees down to 15%, right? So now you only have to pay Apple 12 12 in those circumstances where previously you would not get that benefit so it

was you got 27 uh i think i'm saying that right maybe my my kobe brain's messing up but the point is it's like previously it was like 27 commission apple would take right that's what right you're right so basically it was apple apple was going to take 30 and they said, OK, well, you can do credit card processing and then we'll also take 27. And now they're saying whatever we normally take, we'll take three percent off of it for processing. three yeah which is which is still 27 unless you're in that small business program or in the second year of a subscription thing in which case it drops and you get that three percent discount put on whatever your level is that's the difference right so like the main thing you need to pay attention to here is it's it's making sure that if you were getting some kind of 15%, you would still get that 15% as the overall fee and Apple would take still a 3%, right?

So they're always taking 3%, but you could still get the majority of it. So the ACM finally seem happy with these proposals that Apple have given. So it seems like this is it now. The language has been set. And yeah, so this should be peace apple subsequently unveiled

its plans for south korea south korea came before this but it's taken the longest to implement south korea was the one where google did their thing and like everyone was happy but apple were like we are compliant do you remember that this is like apple has unveiled their plans for south korea in south korea the external linking and the i don't i don't isn't a thing it's just the in-app um like like payment stuff so like you could have external payment providers inside of your app and in south korea it's possible for all applications based on a ruling there not just dating apps it's everything but they will not be using the same processes in south korea that they're using in the netherlands which i just assumed that they they gave the the

press release and gave all the details to south korea after they'd settled it in the netherlands because they finally had some kind of like way of doing it and they were going to roll it out more widely, which is why I thought we hadn't gotten the resolution of the Japanese Fair Trade Commission one yet, which was the first one, right? I figured they were going to go with one of them, whichever was the most pressing, and then roll out the same rules everywhere. But that's not the case. So in South Korea, they are using one of the previous warning screens, which has stronger language and two buttons. Like the language is way harsher in that

than it is in the Netherlands. They're doing a 26% commission, which is a completely different number. And it's not going to take into account the 15% thing. So it's going back to that whole idea of like, it's 26, right? It has to be a separate app that

you submit to South Korea if you're going to use these entitlements. So now, really, Apple are doing the worst possible thing and making different rules everywhere. I was really hoping that they would just come up with something and then standardize a bunch of rules everywhere but they're not doing that i mean they may yet do that eventually but it seems like their structure here is negotiate individual deals with regulators as necessary and maybe a system will flow out of that at some point, right?

When they've got enough of these that they can find a way to standardize. Or maybe not. Like I've said before, part of their strategy here seems to be just drag their feet as much as possible and make it as inconvenient as possible. So people say, oh, forget it. Technologically, it's all the same stuff. They're using the same entitlements and all that kind of stuff. But then you have to code the language in the sheet and all that kind of stuff. But it's all S-StoreKit external purchase entitlements, which is like SK something something.

It's like they're not creating different entitlements. Well, they're not creating different technological ways of doing it country to country. Just the rules are different country to country, which is intriguing. So we can say goodbye to the Netherlands. I don't think we're going to come back to South Korea. At some point, this is going to continue to be a thing. We'll see. But we'll see.

I feel that we're going to have several weeks of Netherlands-based payment follow follow-up but that's okay like that's jamie's there jamie's there for a few weeks so i can have her follow up on yeah on whatever we need to follow up on i would also love to know what the uh dutch uh charity shops look oh i i will be able to give you a report for that i think she's already been i want to know uh rumor roundup jason mark german had a few more tidbits about uh apple's upcoming products for this year in the power on newsletter first is the apple watch series 8 so this year's apple watch should include a body temperature sensor. The feature has passed Apple's testing. Mark Gurman believes that both the Apple Watch Series 8 and the Extreme Sports version,

which is how I've thought of it, maybe we'll call it like Apple Watch Extreme. Totally extreme. It's Mountain Dew. They're both going to get this feature. So this is interesting to me because what it's saying is like that Extreme Sports version will be a high-end product.

Because I was was wondering where's it going to sit right if it's going to get the same sensor as the series 8 my expectation is it will it will have all the same sensors but just be designed differently in some way it's it's going to be a series 8 my guess is it'll be a series 8 but in name that they'll just it'll be the you know we have the the regular one and then we have the the extreme sports edition i just had a thought i would like this watch from a design perspective for the the case of the watch to be made out of the same material as the sports bands that would be fun that fluoroelastomer that'd be fun you just bounce them on the ground like a super ball

yeah it just comes right back up to you bounce right back quote from mark german the body temperature feature won't give you a specific reading like with forehead or wrist thermometer but it should be able to tell you if it believes you have a fever it could then recommend taking to a doctor or using a dedicated thermometer so i think this is i i actually think this is smart because everybody's body temperatures are different. And so what you really want to do is use this to alert somebody if you think they're running a fever. And so you measure, you get a sense of the baseline body temperature for the of whack, you put up an error and say, you know, or an alert and say, we think that you are, you may be running a temperature and, and get your attention because yeah, you could,

you could keep checking and keep checking and keep checking. But, um, I'm not sure that makes as much sense as, as this, like we get to sit here and measure you constantly and let you know, like, right.

Isn't that better than having to to. Keep checking your temperature. I think. I think that's a smarter way. Of doing it. Which is. Which is. We'll let you know. If your temperature.

Is out of whack. Otherwise we. You know. If we don't talk to you about it. It's. You're fine. I would like both though. Right.

So. In. If you're thinking about this. Right. This is going to be more like. The. Oxygen sensor. Right. The blood oxygen sensor. Than just sensor than the ecg because like so all of the heart stuff is doing that background monitoring but i can also get a reading and you know do what i want with it but like so i would

still want the number right if i want to be able to go in and run my own body temperature test and get like what is my temperature i i i know you want it i'm not sure that it would be useful and i i wonder if the origin of this feature is that they they can give you a temperature but it's not necessarily a temperature that will compare to the temperature if you actually use a dedicated thermometer to take the temperature because it'll be off by a little bit, but the trend is still accurate. And so like, do they show you if, if, if your skin temperature is 95, do they fake it and say 98? Cause that's what you would test if you stuck a thermometer under your tongue or in your ear, or do they be right? Like, cause it might not be what you, it might not be what you think, but, but here you think but but here's a warning you should go

and you should go and get this check more seriously because that's that's the important thing is that if if it if it matches to your internal body temperature and that if you get a fever it can tell because the temperature is is greater than usual then it can give you an alert and i i would also argue yeah there's a little bit of a uh patient uh you know wanting information like traditionally if you feel weird you take your temperature and like oh i'll run the temperature app whereas what the apple watch is saying is no no no no we know you're fine we'll let you know if you're not which is i i get it like there's a level of that that is apple telling you like don't worry about. But I do wonder if that's actually what's behind it is, is that the number they would give you is not a match for the number that you would get with another thermometer.

And so they don't want to confuse the issue and say, oh, temperature gate, it runs low or temperature gate. It's a different number because they fake it in order to make it seem a little warmer because it's cooler on your wrist than it is in your ear. Yeah. Anyway, I like this. I really do like this though, because everybody's body temperature is different. And so if it can learn what your body temperature is and tell you when it's not in the normal range, that's the most important thing, I think. And I think a lot of the winning features of apple watch are um the advantage of having a sensor monitoring you all the time telling you when something is different right like i think this could be a real winner and just saying like you may not have noticed but i noticed this thing about you because i take your you know i'm taking your vitals every five minutes or

whatever so do you think that there wouldn't even be an app like that would have there might be i mean we don't know from mark german's thing but it would actually surprise me if there isn't a thermometer app that will give you a temperature but that they're not using that as an alert that the alert is when you go you know out of range and that that's when they'll alert you that your temperature is high. Mark Gurman also believes Apple is still working on a pro iMac of a larger display. Says that this will probably be an M3 product and would likely launch alongside an iMac update.

If you remember when we went through that list last week, this was like a question we had, right? Like this wasn't mentioned. And he did mention that the iMac would probably not get a revision until the M3 like the current iMac and so maybe they will just hold on to it for a couple of years the one one I have um and then go for it with a bigger update so this is the new iMac and we now have a bigger one I think that'd be kind of cool uh sure I'm a little surprised still that the iMac is

skipping the M2 generation entirely. Maybe. We don't know, right? Like, we don't know. Right. Yeah, I'm still a little skeptical about that, but you know, Mark says no, and although Mark's... I can't decide whether Mark's iMac information is not his strongest, or whether it's just that there's

nothing there to see, and that he's reporting the truth, that they're just gonna let it sit there for an extra year year and a half as an m1 and also finally mark is reporting that airpods 2 will not feature any health sensors so there have been some rumors that there could be either heart rate or temperature sensors in the new version of airpods uh this to me like when reading this report was like that makes sense to me because surely it would undermine the apple watch right like if they just put an app to put a body temperature sensor on the apple watch and then immediately put one on airpods it's like oh yeah i don't need to buy a new apple watch i just buy the the new AirPods, and then I'm good. And also, I don't know, but that technology seems quite complicated for something this small.

But what do I know? Also, I'll double back to what I just said, which is you don't have your AirPods in all the time. So, I mean, not everybody has an Apple Watch, and if you put them in and your ear temperature is high, having it say, you might have a fever fever is probably a feature that is worth it. But I think it's not the same as being able to monitor your body temperature kind of constantly and note when it's out of whack because you only have your AirPods in in certain circumstances. in certain circumstances.

Mac Rumors is reporting that the MacBook Air will be on sale from July 15th based on their sources inside of Apple Retail. I'm personally very excited for the reviews of this product. I wanted to share just what I think is going to occur, right? So I think the reviews of the MacBook Air, the M2 MacBook Air, will only go one of two ways. Huh, interesting.

It will either be, this is overpriced, or this is the best general laptop you can buy. I think it's going to go, I don't know why, but that's just the feeling I get. So either, come on, $1,199 for this, the other one is $999, what are you doing? Or it's going to be, oh my God, it's so great, it's light and thin and beautiful. And super fast,

and it's got all these features, and oh my god, we've got more ports and Macs. I think it's one of the two, right? And I don't think there's a middle ground. All the reviews, and honestly as well, I think it's not going to be a consensus between one of those two. Some places will say, this is the

best laptop you could buy, and others will say, this is overpriced. We'll see. We'll see. And Ming-Chi Kuo is reporting that Apple has failed to produce their own 5G modem chips for the 2023 iPhone line.

Apparently, development has stalled based on Kuo's supply chain sources. Currently, it's looking like Qualcomm will continue to supply Apple's 5G modems for the iPhone 15. So the most likelihood was the next year's, right? Quo expects that Apple will continue to develop its own 5G chips.

This is from MacRumors. But it will take more time for the work to be completed and satisfactory for use in iPhones and other devices. Yeah, it's funny because the CEO of Qualcomm made a statement about how they expected that they're going to lose a major supplier next year, right? Maybe they thought that was the case, right? And now Apple's going to be coming in with an order.

case right and now apple's going to be coming in with an order yeah that's that's the that's the thing that makes this sound like a real story is that because you're always like oh what delayed what does that mean like if they don't announce it how is it delay but it's it's a loss a delay in their expectations and perhaps a delay in the expectations of Qualcomm. It also shows you how far ahead Apple and other phone makers and other suppliers of parts have to work. I assume that we've reached the drop dead point where Apple has to tell Qualcomm if they want chips for next fall, for fall of 23. If Ming-Chi Kuo is reporting this now, what does that mean? I think it means that that drop-dead date has happened and Apple has had to make the decision, like, are we confident?

Because again, it's the iPhone, it's the crown jewels. Are we confident that we will be able to ship our own 5G modem in the fall of 23? And the answer is no, apparently. And that's interesting, but it also gives you a sense of how much time they need to tell Qualcomm,

we need those chips, guys. I know we sued you, but we need those chips now. This is such an incredibly important part of the phone, right? Where it's like, I know Apple love their custom silicon right and they love to make their phones more powerful but if you can't maintain a consistent cell signal

the phone is useless and and i i'll also think back to when the apple silicon transition happened and everybody's like oh i don't know how it's gonna how it's gonna go how's this gonna be and what i said at the time was apple controls the transition. Apple chooses when to go until still making chips, right? At any point, Apple can make the transition. Apple is very proud of its chip making and is not going to make a transition that reflects badly on them, right? Like the moment that Apple was going to make the Apple Silicon transition to what we now know as the M1 was going to be a moment where everybody was blown away by the M1. Because otherwise, why would you do that?

Why would you come out at the moment where it wasn't really all there and it was really kind of behind Intel? And, oh, this is like every Mac user is taking a hit. Like you would never do that. Well, guess what? The iPhone is a more important product to Apple than the Mac. Cellular signal is a very important feature of a cell phone. And if you can't come out and at least have parity with the Qualcomm experience, you need to not do it. And I suspect that that's what happened here, which is, you

know, cause the last thing Apple wants to do is have this perception that like, oh yeah, Apple replaced the good Qualcomm chip with their own crappy chip. And now, uh, the new iPhone is bad. Like that's bad on so many layers, right? Like it's the layer of like, oh no, the iPhone is perceived negatively. Like that's really bad for Apple. And then on top of it, it's like, oh, and Apple's own chip design prowess is now in question. Like that hurts. So they're not going to do it. They're not going to do it unless they can do it right.

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One of his labs posts. I think it was a labs post. Max Sparky Labs is awesome, by the way. I recommend it it is it is his membership yep david produces a wonderful amount of content i enjoy greatly a lot of his video he's living the life of not being a lawyer anymore to do other content it's great and i like that he makes a lot of video content that makes it different to me to some of the other um like membership programs that i subscribe to like you know it's newsletters or podcast pieces video which i like anyway but he made a couple of videos about uh

ipad status board so i have taken his uh example and i've just been using my ipad air for the ipad air that i primarily bought for a stage manager but would would otherwise, outside of testing, kind of be mostly unused here at my studio. So basically what this is, is it's using like widgets and stuff to have a iPad that sits on your desk, that's just the screen is on all the time, where you're able to get access to information. And then for me, also kind of using universal control and stuff like that and trying out more of these features. So I want to show you how I have it set up, talk about how I'm using it, and talk about some things that are frustrating me about the experience.

So I've got a screenshot in the show notes of this iPad and how it's set up right now. And primarily, it's pretty widget-focused. So I have a couple of stacks and then some widgets. So the top left, I've got a stack of the large widgets of Fantastic Cow and Carrot Weather, and that rotates. The rotating was interesting because what I learned quite quickly is widgets rotating in your peripheral vision is quite, i find it quite

distracting so yeah i would think so yes so one of the things that i've worked out though is if i change the theming so the colors are the same it doesn't distract me because carrot weather usually i use like a widget where the background color is like condition dependent. So it can be blue if it's sunny and blah, blah, blah. But if I changed it to black, which I don't really like the look of as much,

but I have fantastic hours dark mode too, like just the black calendar, then it doesn't distract me in the same way because it's just changing over, but it's not changing over and changing color. So was something that i found that was uh annoying me but that's the only stack uh that i've got going on there but that was an interesting thing um oh i do actually i have uh some time tracking shortcuts underneath the timery widget that i have but that doesn't um rotate on its own like that that's how I use Timery widgets.

Like wherever I put a Timery widget, I put shortcuts that access timers underneath it, underneath that widget, because that just makes sense to me. I have a Todoist widget. I have a Widgetsmith slash photos widget, which when I took the screenshot just so happened, photos was giving me a reminder of a time that we spent together in Ireland. Even though the widget says trips to Bottesheim, which is a... Romania. Which is in Romania. I have never been to Romania, and yet Photos thinks that we were together in Romania.

We... I went on... Did I send you a picture or something? No, no, no. So I went on a trip to Ireland for all, and then from Ireland went to Romania. Oh. For some reason, photos has put all of that together in one trip.

Oh, boy. I don't know why it does that. Well, I love that it's a picture of us. Of us taking a picture together that somebody else took a picture of. Yeah. Even better. Even better. Even better.

Then I have Spark, which is my email, and then Train Beacon, which is an app that I use to tell me the train times from the studio to home. Love. So this is like just what I have. I have this just sitting here all the time, and it works pretty well. So where is it positioned? Is it below your screen? It's below and just to the right a little bit because that's where i have a space for it um okay because i'm trying it out right now i think ideally i would want it directly below but then i would just have to rearrange some stuff on my desk and i don't want to do that until i'm

sure that i want this as like a thing and my so my big concern i love it i i love the idea of a status board i love when panic had their status board. I love when Panic had their status board. Sadly, RIP, they killed it. We actually used that at Macworld for a while. I set up like a TV with an iPad Velcroed on the back running status board by Panic because I really liked the status board concept. I thought about doing that here. I feel like I keep coming back to would I use it versus just having various statuses on my Mac screen. And I thought about the iPad, and so I'm curious, is it... I mean, the iPad's meant to be kind of held in your hands, and so my concern is that if you set it down somewhere kind of off to the side that everything is going to be a little small um it's okay i mean i think it's fine i mean there is a thing where most of the time my ipad juice this is an ipad mini so like this is big for me this is like a this is like a big ipad i guess with ipad os 16 you're going to be able to do the more space uh can you make it larger you could make you could do a thing where it's like bigger stuff and maybe it would look better that way well I am doing that so I'm doing the bigger

space on this iPad Air and then you're using the extra you know the extra large widget for your weather and alright I think this is an interesting idea I mean I love the idea of ambient stuff I use that's why the idea of ambient stuff. I use, that's why I have all that stuff in my menu bar is I'm trying to give myself like ambient information

that I can just glance at and say, okay, that's what's going on. And so I think this is an interesting idea. The idea that you've got like a little buddy. It's information that like I have a lot and like a lot of this stuff does live in my menu bar, right? As you say, but I actually think it can be much nicer to just have it all visually there.

But let me talk about some of the issues I'm having with this. Before we get there, I have one hypothetical for you, which is what if you could attach a monitor to a Mac, use it as an external monitor, and then put widgets on it. Imagine you could just run the widgets on your Mac. Imagine if you could do that. Oh, well. Cannot do that.

So I'm using universal control for the first time seriously. Like I tested it out, but never really had much of a use for it myself. And I'll preface this by saying I'm using iOS 16 or iPadOS 16. So maybe there's some weirdness there, but maybe people can let me know if I'm having a regular experience. I find it not to be very reliable. So I have the box checked inside of system preferences to automatically reconnect my iPad to my MacBook Pro. And that never happens. Like, you know, either sometime in the day

or the next day, I have to do the thing where I push the cursor through the screen, right? And do that like little linking. And then I have my iPad sitting underneath my Mac and you can't, at least I have not found a way, I don't think it's possible to get the linking to happen that way. It has to go through the left

or the right, it seems. Like I can't push my cursor down to do that connection. So every time I have to say, push it to the right, then open system preferences, go to displays, then drag the right then open system preferences go to displays then drag the ipad down underneath the display and like that little arrangement thing

that they have and then i can go like from the bottom of my max monitor to the top of the ipad monitor right but i'm having to do that every time it's not remembering that arrangement and that is frustrating to me. Now, I don't know if you have experienced this universal control very much, but I'm finding that annoying to me. And I don't know if there's something that the beta's got going on, or if it's like,

this is just what it's always like. But that is annoying to me. I haven't used universal control a lot. Yeah. So I don't know i i definitely have found that it's not as as reliable like when it works it's magical but it doesn't always feel like it works yeah like i have another little thing where i use a logitech mouse, right? And the scroll wheel doesn't work on my iPad.

It scrolls on my Mac, even though the cursor is on my iPad. Oh, okay. Wow. So I bring the mouse down, and I'm on my iPad, and I want to scroll a webpage,

but it actually then just scrolls Safari on the Mac, for example, because it's like wherever the cursor was last. Similarly, a lot of times I have to click somewhere on the iPad for the keyboard to work. Otherwise, the keyboard stays on the Mac. But, you know, this is a technology that I know so many weird things are having with this. So I feel like i'm a little bit more forgiving of it but it is just like one of those things this isn't as magical as i would want like my if i use my magic trackpad it works fine the scrolling's perfect but with my logitech mouse it isn't and maybe it's because i use the little unifying receiver and not bluetooth but nevertheless like the system knows the scrolls going on. Can't it pass that through? I don't know. So that's

universal control. I would say it's a really interesting feature, and the fact that it just works is great when it works, but it also doesn't work sometimes. But the fact that I can just go down this line. Which is the shame of it, right? Yeah, exactly. But I'm not

using it a lot, right? So it doesn't really bother me very frequently. But when I do want to use it, it's never just as... It's not like it just works in a way that I want. Monroe in the chat is saying, the Logitech software is incompatible with universal control right now. So there you go. That explains it.

I would love more control over my iPad's power settings. So to get this to work, you have to turn your display to never go to sleep, right? Because if the display is going to sleep, this is useless.

Right. So what I would like to do is tell iPadOS os if this if this ipad is connected to power don't go to sleep because then what i could do is always have this thing connected to power and put it on a smart switch that turns off when i leave in the evening so and then you thought about just plugging have you thought about just plugging it into your mac when I leave in the evening. Ah. And then it turns on automatically. Have you thought about just plugging it into your Mac too? Then when you put your Mac to sleep,

well, no, you'd have to shut it down and you are a sleeper and not a shutter downer. Well, I take the laptop away from me, don't I? Oh, okay. Well, then that would have the same effect. But either way, yeah. I think there are some issues with the OLED display on... Well, there's no OLED displays on iPads, though, right?

It's just... I don't want it on. I was going to invent the iPad screensaver, but we don't want that. We don't want that. And I don't want the display on when I'm not here, right? Right, totally. But so currently I have it that it should just be on all the time,

and then I have to lock it at night. You have to press the button at night which is not the not the worst thing in the world but yeah it would be nice if you could get a bit more you could do it you could set an automation can you set an automation to like i wanted i can't find anything in shortcuts that allows me to change anything about the lock state or the like the screen state because that was where i went first i was like i know there's weird stuff in here. So this is my next thing. Give me some shortcuts triggers for locking and unlocking the device. That would be, honestly, better.

Not even unlocking. I can do the unlocking, right? But just turning the screen off so then I could be like, when there is no power, turn off the display. That's what I want it, right?

Because then I can set up another trigger on a HomeKit switch and do it that way. I think this is interesting. I thought about using an iPad as an auxiliary screen with universal control to do some apps that are not that important. Because you can also just flip over and put Fantastical in full screen and look at your calendar over there. Like there are other uses that you can have. You could move out of widget mode momentarily without having to do it on the Mac. And with universal control, that's a lot better because you're using those iPad apps that are perfectly good instead of using a sidecar.

And I've been doing that because like now just like having the iPad on my desk, it's not far from me. I am finding myself quite frequently like just tapping the Fantastic L icon with my finger, right? And just like, I can just look at your calendar. And I could also imagine, I haven't done this yet, but I could imagine like using it as a reference for things, either to have articles there or video there or something while I'm doing something else. Like, things either to have articles there or video there or something while i'm doing something else like sure and i've also been using it to control music on my home pod because i much prefer doing that on an ios or ipad os app than on my mac i find that way nicer as somebody who airplays on a mac every day uh it's not as good so It's not. It's been nice for that, right?

That I can just, I can just like, you know, use control center with my finger and just like. Oh man, you know, the next step,

I'm going to throw this out there. Maybe this is a Mac Sparky video that he should make or I should make one, but I'm now envisioning because I do keyboard controls for all my media controls. So like a play,

pause, next, all of that is, I've got little macros that, because I't i don't use the the f keys i use a different set of keys i thought you could probably write a macro that runs a shortcut could we could you could you run a shortcut that tells the ipad i don't know that's my next thing is like can i they need universal shortcuts or something right i want to be i want to be able to on my Mac, press a key and run an automation that tells the iPad to do something like play or pause or something like that.

Uh, robot MLG in the, in the, in the discord has said, this isn't perfect, but you could have a shortcut toggle low power mode on, which would turn display sleep on so that might be a way to get around it i'm gonna try that oh yeah interesting so that i'm not sure if it does

override it but i expect it probably would override my setting really great piece of feedback from david in the chat who says sometimes the right answer might be get a second computer monitor but here's the thing what i said earlier which is i would you need there he's followed it up with you need better mac os software because like all these widgets are on mac os you could probably do it but the widget the widget widget presentation is so good and you can only get it on the mac and notification center right like even if there was app, literally just an app that was a, a, an empty canvas on which you could put widgets, that would be fine, but you can't. And, and in some cases, the iPad version just as superior, plus you can see the widgets that you can't see on the Mac.

So that's the, that's the thing is, yeah, I, I. Because I kind of agree with David. A second monitor, or even a second monitor with a little bit of space devoted to widgets might be a solution here. Or even if you've got a big display like a Pro Display, a little area on your monitor with widgets on it dedicated to widgets. But Apple has thus far decided that macOS users never need to see widgets except on demand in Notification Center. And it's super frustrating, but that's where we still are. There is this other part of it,

which is where it started with David, and that's what inspired me, is I have this iPad. Like, I have it already. Yeah, I think that's right. And with Sidecar, it is a second Mac monitor when you want it to be. Which is the beauty of it, right?

Sidecar's pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, I don't use it a lot, but I was thinking the other day that I was editing a video project in Final Cut, and I was really frustrated because of screen space. Because even on a 27-inch monitor, trying to see the whole picture and all that, and I realized, oh, you know what I really should do is use Sidecar and put the output monitor as the iPad. And then I save a lot of space and I'm going to try that the next time. So yeah, I think the iPad as a versatile kind of like, sometimes it's an iPad, sometimes it's a monitor, sometimes it's just like a widget player. But I would even argue on the

iPad, I'm coming around to this idea, we'll call it dashboard. We'll totally call it dashboard. The idea that there should be a widget presentation mode, even on the iPad, I would love an app that you could run that just had arbitrary collections of widgets in it. And then no dock, right? No dock and a separate, separate from what's on the home screen. Why are are the widgets why do they have to be on the home screen maybe there's there's a widget presentation mode and then you put that on on okay i'm calling it for next year this is on my wish list for next year now dashboard on the mac and the ipad that allows you to only display widgets in a very nice presentation mode because widgets are great and i am frustrated that apple is not doing more with them like i

i really wanna um i want an apple made like i know this third party apps but is there a little janky i want uh music controls on a widget i just i just want it all right i just want to give it to me yeah um i'll some i i do wonder they're they're doing that new um thing that is not going to come out until later in the fall that's the live event notification on the lock screen. It's basically a widget. And I wonder if that is your interactive widget, right? That there will be an API that that's sort of that API for an ongoing thing.

And wouldn't it be nice if you could plant that on your home screen too? I think it's potentially the start of that, right? Like it's like, I could imagine maybe next year we're going to bring the great technology of live activities together with widgets. Right.

But still going to be only in these certain fields though will be their start. So I wanted to put in a plug for Scriptable, scriptable.app. If you know or can learn or can bash around with javascript scriptable lets you make your own widgets i have been i and i actually just wrote about this last yeah i want i want to talk about

most of this stuff in a future episode about your experimentation briefly i've been playing around with weatherkit the web the web api WeatherKit, now that I have an Apple developer account and they released the WeatherKit API. And of course, I have a widget that shows me my current weather and I realized, whoa, I could do a widget that shows me the future. And I really love the Weatherline widget and Weatherline is dead. And it seems to have gotten bought by Fox for Fox weather. And I thought, you know, I really, one of the great things about WeatherKit is that WeatherKit is from Apple

and is very much not reselling your location data anywhere. And so I'm like, I'd really like to use WeatherKit to build something like Weatherline. And it turns out somebody used a different API to do an hourly Weatherline-like thing in Scriptable, which I took and changed to use WeatherKit and to show daily instead of hourly. And it needs some work, but it totally works. And so now it's showing data from my weather station and data from WeatherKit and charting it. And I just want to put out a plug, like, because our audience

has got a lot of technical-minded nerds in it. And for you, Mike, I know it's a little bit much, but you've got friends who might be able to help. Like, if there isn't a widget to do what you want, you can use something like Scriptable

and make it, which is so great. Like the idea that you can just build your own widget. I love it. So I'm using it for a couple of widgets and i think it's great i recommend ipad status board as a thing to try out especially if you are you know like i know that there are so many nerds that listen to this that like maybe bought an ipad and then weren't sure what to do with it you know um this could be something like and for me it's like i i feel like i've worked out as of today actually i do not own an ipad pro sold them both they're gone i don't need it right now now hit what i tell you i did have this thought today i was using my ipad mini and

i was like i know that they're not going to update this. And I'm very confident that that next iPad Pro is going to be tempting in some way or another. We'll see, right? Like, I think one of the things I'm going to try doing in the meantime is like, I might take this iPad home and try and use it the way that I use my iPad mini. But man, I love the iPad mini. It's so good to read on. It's so good for video. Like, and it's so small. I hope, I love the iPad mini. It's so good to read on. It's so good for video. And it's so small.

I hope that they keep working on it. But yeah, I have the iPad Air and the iPad mini and they are very capable for what I need to do. And I think they're great. We'll see. I mean, it's a journey. We're all on it. We go in different places.

The thing about recording it and releasing it every week is that people follow us on the journey and can also remember back when we were on a a journey. We're all on it. We go in different places. The thing about recording it and releasing it every week is that people follow us on the journey and can also remember back when we were on a different journey. I want to put in a plug for Pyto, which is a Python app that I have only used a little bit, but also apparently does widgets. So if you are a Python person and not a JavaScript person, maybe I'll switch to that because I am not a JavaScript person. Make your own widgets, people.

It's great. And I love the idea of the status board. I'm going to try this some more. a JavaScript person. Make your own widgets, people. It's great. And I love the idea of the status board. I'm going to try this some more. Universal control makes it more interesting too, right? That ability to set it over there. And sometimes in your mental model, you reach over and touch it. And other times in your mental model, you just slide that pointer over there. I've been doing exactly both of those.

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fire up the grill gonna be grilling some meats on the grill yeah for me I'm a meat eater sorry if that uh disturbs you those who aren't you can put other things on the grill that's right it's okay um fourth of july independence day in america i am spending my morning on the fourth of of July talking to a Brit. Hello. The, uh, hello. Um, we, you know, declared

independence in 1776 from your, your, your guys. Yeah, it's something that a lot of people still, for some reason, continue to think is a very, it's like very important to them. Yeah, 246 years later, like, super hot, yeah. Wow, we did it! Like, congratulations,

I don't care yeah right coming up on 250 coming up on a quarter of a millennium now it's okay um no one thinks about it here however it's it's that well of course nobody thinks about it there we all think about it here so uh i wanted to do something fun for the summer of fun and fun for us as an American and an English person on the 4th of July. This is one of those things you say, I think this is not going to be fun for me. Right? But we'll find out.

We'll see. We'll see. I would like to begin, and we'll see how far this goes, but I would like to begin because I was searching yesterday for things I could test you on about America. And you won't be surprised to find out that what I actually found were a bunch of dumb BuzzFeed quizzes. That doesn't surprise me at all.

This is a BuzzFeed quiz that actually is credited to the Senior Content Operations Manager of BuzzFeed UK and a member of the BuzzFeed staff. It is, are you more british or american and i think it is intended humorously i think it is amazing so let's start out what would you rather drink coffee or tea i mean coffee right i mean i can see where this is going already yeah coffee what would you rather eat? Meatloaf or a beef roast? Oh, beef roast. Okay. This is my favorite of all the questions.

Which beach would you rather visit? Cornwall or Venice Beach? Are you getting it yet? Oh, Cornwall because I've been to Venice Beach. It's not nice around there. All right. What landmark would you rather visit? Stonehenge or the Grand Canyon?

Grand Canyon. I'm sorry, Stonehenge. Where would you rather spend a sunny day? Hyde Park or Central Park? Central Park. All right. I love this quiz. It's literally US or UK every single time. Where would you rather see a musical?

The West End or Broadway? West End. It's a shorter commute for you. I think it's nicer. I think the West End is nicer to be in than Times Square, for example. And Broadway is spread out way more than the West End. Emma pointing out Cornwall is not a beach. Indeed, it is not,

although it does contain many brilliant beaches. And that answer is correct. All right, which cocktail would you rather drink? I'm a little stumped on this one, so good luck. Cosmopolitan or Pornstar Martini? Oh, so a Pornstar Martini is a passion fruit martini,ini by and large which i think you pour the vodka into um what is in a cosmopolitan i couldn't tell you oh google's doing that what is in hold onberry juice, lime juice, and triple sec in a cocktail shaker. So it says, bon appetit.

I'm going to say Ponce de Martini. All right. How English of you. Okay. This is where I laughed out loud legitimately when I saw this for the first time. And I thought, oh, I just am going to do this quiz on Upgrade. We're just going to do it. What late night food would you rather have?

Taco Bell or a kebab? The classic choice. The classic choice. Is it Taco Bell or a kebab? This is actually incredibly difficult. Okay. Because, you know what? I'm going to say Taco Bell because...

Okay, so this is a bad question. I'll tell you why this is a bad question. Oh, this is a... No, no, no. This is genuinely the worst question. Among bad questions, this is a very bad question, yes. If you go to Taco Bell, it's not just one food. You choose from the Taco Bell menu.

Exactly. If they're telling me I can choose from a kebab shop menu, well, now we're in a different realm. Well, it has to be a kebab, though. It has to be a kebab. It can't be any kebab, but it has to be one. Well, no, because in a kebab shop, you can just go in and get chips. Yeah, sorry.

But in Taco Bell, Taco Bell is not like, oh, you can only get the tacos. They do all kinds of stuff. So I'm going to say Taco Bell because I don't really like kebabs, especially from a kebab shop. And in Taco Bell, I feel like the Taco Bell answer is giving me more agency. Wait, wait, wait. You don't like kebabs, especially from a kebab shop? Well, you can get like doner and shish kebab from like nicer restaurants than like what

would be considered like a, I've had a beer and I'm going to a kebab shop. It's like. Okay. And at the kebab shop, there are other things you'd rather order. Yes. Interesting. What an uh contradiction that is well but well because i like kebab from good places good places yeah to me the kebab in a kebab shop the meat seems questionable at best sometimes yep and i don't want to do that so like i would get like just some chips especially because if i'm if i had had too much to drink where i'm going to a

kebab shop the idea of just like the carbs to help soak everything up that is good for me right so yeah all right which museum would you rather visit the smithsonian national museum of natural history in washington dc or the natural history museum in london i mean i haven't i'm just gonna say the natural history museum in london i'll give you a couple of answers for this one it's a fantastic museum it has great exhibits two it is across the road from three other museums so i don't know what the smithsonians got going for no because it's got the entire it's like all it's like a whole like there's a dozen museums wait which museum did you say natural history museum in london smithsonian national museum of natural history in washington dc why would they pick those two?

They've decided you're going to see old bones. Which museum containing old bones would you rather visit? Wait, so this isn't the Natural History Museum in New York. No, it's the one in Washington, D.C. It's the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History. Okay, because the Smithsonian

is multiple things, right? Because I've been to a Smithsonian and it was something else. There's many, many Smithsonian museums in DC. Okay. So, Zach, all museums in London are free to go into. So, giving me the free thing is not helpful. They're all free here.

That was a comment from our Discord. I'm still going to go with the natural history museum in london i mean like the west end it's close it's convenient it's not about it's not about the close i'm not assuming i have to travel right like i'm assuming i like there's something magical and i'm just going there and it is because like the science museum is right there i love the science museum the vna is right there the vna is awesome so like i would choose i would choose natural history museum in london now this is the question that has split the u.s and the uk for

so many years and we're going to settle it right here which is where would you rather go shopping the redding terminal market in philadelphia or the lanes in brighton what What? Why? I think there's a picture here. There's lobsters and meat and sausages in Philadelphia. This is madness. I don't know. There's things in Brighton. There's people walking down the street in Brighton.

This is absolute madness. It is, but you must answer because it's the upgraded 4th of July quiz. I'm going to go the lanes because the lanes are fantastic in Brighton, but I don't have any context for these two things. You need to give me this link to put it in the show notes, by the way. David in the chat room says it's amazing. Oh, I will. I will.

I'm just preventing you from saying it. Maybe it is, but I'm going to go with the lanes. What dessert would you rather eat, Apple pie or sticky toffee pudding? Sticky toffee pudding. What chocolate would you rather eat? This is ridiculous. Hershey's Kiss or Cadbury cream egg? Would I prefer to eat good chocolate or chalk?

Hmm. Let me think about this. Chocolate without chalk, okay? Uh-huh. There is absolutely, sorry america your chocolate sucks all right i'm coming down hard on this one it's you can get you can absolutely get good chocolate in america and oh yeah it's not chocolate i like hershey's chocolate but it's not chocolate mostly we just get good i've had great chocolate in america ghiardelli is fantastic in san francisco

i love that but like we're licking licking this is like we will hold up these two right Hershey's is the American Cadbury's is British right like this is like the idea here um even though like you know now I get it no we gotta we gotta live it we gotta live our stereotype it's fine I get it which holiday would you rather celebrate which holiday would you rather celebrate bonfire night or thanksgiving those are your choices why not go with fourth of july and bonfire night which are the well that would that would fit most with the the tenor of this quiz to just have it be the most obvious american and british things and make you

choose but they've chosen thanksgiving jason i'm gonna say that this quiz is doing this is actually fitting this quiz of like here are two things they're not actually really that close no thanks but one is american and one is british okay thanks because thanksgiving is fantastic for the food and i don't like fireworks, right, in general. Okay, there you go. Finally, finally. Where would you rather ring in the new year, Times Square or the London Eye?

That's, I can't, that's not a question. You can't be on the London Eye anyway, right? So you're not actually on the London Eye. I know. You're on the bank. It would be amazing if you were up at the top of the london eye while the fireworks are going off but this is an easy one anyway it's new york because london is trying so hard to have like we want to be like times square and it's we have reached we have reached the answer of the super

difficult quiz uh you are more british although i think it was closer than you might expect okay uh and the quiz says all dressed in green with a cup of tea you're a true brit green uh and then there's a gif of mary berry saying you should be very proud okay wow that is i mean that is that's that's a terrible quiz whoever wrote that I just don't understand some of the comparisons like that didn't make any sense to me

some things were like oh this is the analogous one to the other and then here is just like two completely random things but they're both like in a category alright we're moving on to the british american english quiz now oh i'm gonna give you a british english word and you must give me the american english equivalent oh my god all right this is fun okay bonnet of a car

uh oh my hood correct yeah pack of cards deck correct dummy pacifier pacifier oh i didn't even know that one yeah i didn't know you called those dummies that's funny yeah uh uh single ticket i don't know what wait so this is in english it's single in like in in british in in i'm saying in english it is single ticket and i have to give you the american english word yeah it's single with ticket in parentheses after it. I don't understand.

Can you write this down so I can see what it's saying? Because I feel like I don't even I don't know what it's actually asking me. Single ticket? Oh, Emma said it in the chat but this is probably it. i wouldn't have gone up with this is it one way oh is it like a traffic ticket i don't even understand it is one way

yeah this is like a a ticket on a train or a plane oh it's a one-way ticket one-way ticket okay yeah okay i get this i wouldn't have gotten that. Like, I would not have gotten that. But yes, it's one-way or round-trip or return or whatever you call it. Look, I'm just getting all these questions from the internet. I don't endorse the quality, clearly. No, no, no. Queue. Line.

Yeah. Stand in line. Lift. Elevator. Boot of car. Trunk. Autumn. Fall.

I prefer fall to autumn, by the way, just as a word. So in the leaves, fall. It is. It's nicer. That's one of the ones that I do prefer. Biscuit. Wait. Now I'm confused biscuit. Wait, now I'm confused again.

Am I giving you the American word for biscuit? Yeah. Give me the American word for biscuit. It's what I call a biscuit, right? So cookie cookie. Yeah. Cause this is where like,

this is where it confuses me because you have biscuits, but they're a different thing. Yeah, exactly. And caravan trailer. Yeah, you got it look at that i think there was only one i didn't get right right which is i just which is the single ticket one and i'm going to conclude with uh another stupid quiz just a little just really quickly uh where are you more

likely to hear the sport shown uh here in picture, which I'll put in the Discord because it's very good. You need to see it. It's a video question. A video question? Yeah, there it is, or it's a picture question. They call it a video Daily Double. Okay. Where are you more likely to hear that sport known as soccer?

Let me think. America. You're correct. Good job. You don't need to see the image, so you know what that is now. It's a picture of a soccer football match. What's the most common name for London's underground method of transportation? Good news, Mike.

It's a multiple choice question. The subway, the metro, the tube, or the underpass. Wait, so hang on a second. Is this now a quiz for Americans about British things? I don't know why. Okay, okay, okay. It's test your knowledge with our British versus American English quiz, okay? Okay, okay, okay.

Tube. I think the Underpass, again, I literally only read this quiz because I wanted to give you the option of choosing the underpass, the London underpass. Everybody loves the London underpass. Do you know what an underpass is? I know what an underpass is in America. What is it in the UK? Yeah, it's the same.

It's when you go underneath like a bridge. Yeah, there's like a street with another street or something else underneath and you go under it. I wasn't sure if that was an Americanism too. Yeah, I love the idea that, that nobody knows that it's called the tube. Or the underground, which is literally, literally they said the most common name for London's underground method of

transportation. Like it's literally the underground, but they, um, oh, this is a good one. Uh, it's visual.

Okay. So people are just gonna have to trust me. What is the shape called? Oh, this is a good one. It's visual. Okay. So people are just going to have to trust me. What is this shape called? Oh, wait. Again, so I don't know who I'm answering as anymore. In British English, what is this shape called? That's not one of the options. You have to choose between trapezium, trapezoid,

a skew rectangle, or headless triangle. That's not a rhombus. It's not a rhombus. Can you give me those? Can you give me those again? Trapezium, trapezoid, askew rectangle or headless triangle. I mean, honestly, I don't know.

I mean, it is a headless triangle, but I don't, I've never known this to have a name. Okay, it is a trapezium in British English and a trapezoid in American English. Wow. I wouldn't even know. All right. Which of these words is plural in British English but singular in American English?

Oof. All right. Pants, scissors, glasses, maths. What am I answering? Which of those is singular in American? Wait, so I don't understand the question. Plural in English, plural in British English, but singular in American English. Peron, British English, but singular in American English.

So I would say, you know, I put on my pants today. Well, it says math, right? It's math, yes. Yeah, okay. I just didn't understand the question. I couldn't work it out. Yeah. Okay, and finally, to wrap it up, this is going to be amazing. In which color, I'm sorry, in which country are you more likely to run into the following sentence?

He read chemistry at uni. It's American, very American. Sorry, we don't even need to answer that one. Yeah, so that's, look, the other option was going to, I was going to make you name all 50 states, and I'm not going to do that. Do you want me to try, though? I mean, I'll get like 10. I'll tell you right now. Okay, let's do it.

We're going to name as many states as you can. Let's go. All right. West Virginia. Okay. I don't know why I started there. I don't know either. I think it's like my brain is like,

if I don't say where Casey lives, he'll just murder me, right? Yeah. Which actually I should. Casey doesn't live. Just to be murder me, right? Yeah. Which actually I should. Just to be clear, Casey does not live in West Virginia. Okay. Virginia. Yes, this is even better because I got it wrong.

Got it wrong the second try. Good job. No, but that's better because he will be more mad at that. The McElroy's are in West Virginia. California. Thank you. New York. Yep.

North Dakota and South Dakota. Yeah, good. Oregon. Washington. Does DC count as a state? It's not a state. It's just a district of Columbia. Yep.

Okay. Maine. Yes. Is Rhode Island a state? It is. That's 10. Even though it sounds like an island. Vermont. Yep.

Going to New England, folks. Tennessee. Georgia. I'm all over the place right uh where else where else do i know i need to think about who i work with now who you work with that's a good clue but now i'm like who do i even work with anymore you know i can't even think texas texas um all your exes are in texas no it's a song oh uh i said california already right you did honestly it'd be helpful if i could see the things that i've said is anybody keeping track of this i can i i can i can send you what you've said so far if you could put them in our google doc you're keeping track of this? I can send you what you've said so far. If you could put them in our Google Doc.

You're keeping track of it. All right, great. Oh, yeah. You said Washington, Oregon, California, North and South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, Virginia, West Virginia, New York, Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island. Yes, you have a map.

Hawaii, Nevada. Yep. Great, thanks you for Hawaii. Florida. Florida. Boy. Yep. Gray thanks you for Hawaii. Florida. Mm-hmm. Boy. What are those ones up the top there?

You know? What are they doing up there, you know? I don't know what they are. Think about some cities, maybe, and what states they might live in. That's a really good tip, but, like, I can't think of anything anymore. All right, hold on. What is that big square one in the middle?

What is that? What are all these places? Does anyone live in any of them? What is it? Wait. Hang on. It's coming to me. No, it's not.

Hold on. Okay. Hold on. Where's like Utah? Correct. Okay. Ohio. Mm-hmm. North Carolina and South Carolina.

Very nice. You got to get those directional states. Yeah. Why are there only... There's never the... It never matches completely, right? So it's just like you don't do east and west. It's just like north and south.

It's like, what is that one near new york illinois i'm not saying it's the one near new york it's not that but that came to me while i was thinking chicago is yeah no i know that but like that came to me while i was thinking of pennsylvania very nice yes correct that's the one near new york yeah it's one of the ones near new york yeah and because then right let me think what is there any places that i've been to that i've not listed yet probably but which i said washington already yep can i get an update of my oh you put it in there already thank you yeah there's a there's a new update now all right i don't know if this is i don't know if this is good to listen to but we've embarked upon this journey

and i'm quickly running out of steam here i i don't right you're almost halfway that's actually way better than i would have expected i would have done and i know i'm missing some i'm obviously missing some like glaring i've got some glaring omissions right now, but then I know I've got some that who even lives there, you know? Yeah. I'm not going to say which one is which. Yeah, look at the map. Look at the map, and maybe it'll inspire you.

If not. Okay. Now, there's two states next to each other that look like they should be a pair, but I bet they're not. The ones next to Georgia. Like, that looks like they should be a pair, but I bet they're not. The ones next to Georgia. Like that looks like that should be a pair to me because they've got like some geographical...

Yeah. But I don't know. They're not. No, they're not. Do you remember when we were in Memphis and we were looking out across the river at a different state? Do you remember what state that was? Was that Arkansas? Yes, it was.

Thank you. Louisiana. Thinking about the Mississippi River now, huh? Nope. It was just the next one that came to my brain. I don't know where that goes. Is Minnesota a state? is yeah i always get it in minneapolis mixed up in minneapolis is in minnesota i know and i can never remember which is which or if one of them if one of them is the

other one of the twin cities right like st paul and minneapolis are the twin cities they're both on the they're across the the Mississippi River from each other. And they're right next to North and South Dakota. Wait, is Mississippi a state? I've said it many times, and yes, it is. I couldn't remember if it was just a river or not, you know? It is a river and a state. It's both things.

I just want to say for the record, by the way. You're 27. Good job. I am doing better than this than if you showed me a map of England. I'll tell you that right now. Could I name towns in England? No. No, I couldn't.

It's just London. I'm upsetting everyone today. That's what I've decided I'm going to do. I'm going to tap out here. Okay. 27 out of 50 in about six and a half minutes. What are my glaring omissions, do you think? Well, I'm going to go left to right, but first we'll start on the bottom.

You got Hawaii, Alaska sitting right there in the little box, non-continuous. Sorry, Alaska. We mentioned the Grand Canyon earlier. That's Arizona, which is right below Utah. I should have got Arizona. Right next to Arizona is New Mexico. Right above New Mexico is that square that's right in the middle there. That's Colorado.

Right above it is Wyoming. The little pointy thing to the left of Wyoming is Idaho. Above Wyoming and Idaho is Montana. Wouldn't have got that. Below South Dakota is Nebraska. Maybe. Below Nebraska, that rectangle that's right in the middle of everything, is Kansas. Should have got that, I feel like.

Below Kansas is Oklahoma. I should have got that too. To the right of Kansas, above Arkansas, is Missouri. Wouldn't have remembered that. That's where St. Louis is. Above it is Iowa. Wouldn't have remembered Iowa, sorry. To the right of Minnesota is Wisconsin.

The cheese. The cheese. Yeah, that's right, Green Bay Packers. To the right of Minnesota is Wisconsin. The cheese. The cheese. Yeah, that's right. Green Bay Packers. To the right of Wisconsin is Michigan. Should have got Michigan. Between Illinois and Ohio is Indiana. Okay.

Right below Indiana is Kentucky, right above Tennessee. That's where the chicken comes from. That's where the chicken is fried and then sent out to the rest of the world. Mississippi's pear, if you consider Mississippi to be West Alabama, I guess then Alabama would be East Alabama. Do you see what I mean, though?

Like visually, at least on the map you've shown me, it looks like it could be a West East state, but it isn't. I know, just as Vermont, which you chose, is the pear of New Hampshire, which is right next to it. You missed Massachusetts, which is where Boston is, which is right below Vermont, which you chose, is the pair of New Hampshire, which is right next to it. You missed Massachusetts, which is where Boston is, which is right below Vermont and New Hampshire. You missed

Connecticut, which is right next to Rhode Island. You know, I couldn't remember if Connecticut was its own... I was going to say it, but then I also... because I know people... There would have been no penalty if you had said it. I'm about to say a thing that I probably shouldn't say. I think Connecticut likes to think it's New York, is my impression that I get from people that I know. Parts of Connecticut do.

Parts of Connecticut think they want to be Massachusetts. So, you know, that's fair. So that's why I thought Connecticut was in New York, which is why I didn't say it. It is not. You missed New Jersey, which is just hanging out right there next to New York. Those go together. I record him with Casey tomorrow, and I desperately hope he does not listen to this before then.

Nestled next to the bottom of New Jersey is Delaware, the home of the President of the United States. And next to Delaware, the weirdly, very weirdly shaped state of Maryland. And that's your 50 states, Mike. So you did pretty well. 27 out of 50. You got more than half. That's pretty good. You haven't been to that many states and you still named them. So good job. That's very true. Thank you very

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ask upgrade questions before we say goodbye to the upgradians. The first question comes from Ramon, and Ramon wants to know, what are your thoughts about notifications and live activities being on the bottom of the iOS 16 lock screen? Do you think Apple should add a toggle to place it on the top position like iOS 15, similar to the option we have for the Safari tab bar? I don't. I think that having it down on the bottom is good because you can scroll through it with your thumb when you're holding your phone. And I think that's a nice place for it to be.

So I like it. I can see how other people might not like it, but I don't feel like it's too analogous to the Safari tab bar. Only in the sense that you're more likely to be scrolling from the bottom and they want to give you quick access so that you can flip that up and see your notifications if you if you need to yeah i um i haven't tried this and i haven't used ios 16 yet i'm gonna put it on my phone uh probably this week and i think the idea of moving the the notifications down is fine i think the live activities being on the bottom makes sense and but i mean really like if i'm going to be having more of a focus put on the image that I'm using and on the design of the time and on these little widgets, then I want the notifications out of the way.

If you have the notifications at the top, right, it just hides everything. So I'm willing to try this. I think the Safari thing, but honestly, here's the thing. Safari tab bar on the bottom is a better place to have it, like the address bar. It's better down there. The problem with Safari wasn't moving the thing. It was all the other stuff they were doing.

I think it's way better to have the bar at the bottom on Safari. It was all the way they were laying out the buttons and stuff that was the real problem. Shaparo asks, do you think that there are developers at Apple that work on the full release cycle of an operating system? Meaning that they are working on the 16-biters now,

but also 15-biters are still being worked on. Kind of stinks to be on 15.5, et cetera, when the cool kids are on 16. So here's the question. I just wonder what you think. Do you think people are tasked to work on an entire release? Or do you think there are different teams that work at different stages that kind of thing

what do you how do you think this will i don't know i i would love if a little birdie inside apple would tell us the answer to this because this is not really secret and and there's an answer here my guess is that the that that people get assigned to maintain parts of the, I think they're probably multitasking. I don't think your people are just sort of in the sad, like sweeping up behind the elephant kind of part of the job, maybe. But like more likely it's like, they've got a 16 track that they're working on

and they've also got 15 cleanup that they're doing. And that that is, you know, that those are both going on and the people are being retasked on and off. And, you know, at some point they'll ship what is probably the final 15 and they'll move on to 16 full time at that point. But that probably people are popping around back and forth. I doubt that there's just sort of a sad team that is doing the cleanup on the old thing while the new team is building the new team. on the old thing while the new team is building the new team?

I mean, there's probably a point in the development process where there are people who are doing both and they're getting started on the new and other people are more on the old. But I'd love to hear the truth about it. My guess is that it's kind of messy, but I don't know. And I'm sure that there are people listening to this who know exactly what this answer is. So I'd love to hear from you.

Yeah, I just would find that fascinating. Ricky asks, ios 16's edition of the fitness app without apple watch does it mean that regular watch wearers can use their iphone to close their rings how does this affect the watch wearing situation for mike and jason so it's only move it's only move right because it's, because it's got the pedometer there. It's not measuring your heart rate or anything like that. Exercise or standing or anything like that. So it's doing an approximation for the move. Yeah. And I love my Apple Watch and I use it all the time for exercise and also I just wear it all the time and it's the watch

that I'm wearing on my wrist. And I was wearing a watch before, so it's not really any different in that way. I would wearing a watch before, so it's not really any different in that way. I would wear a watch regardless. So why would it not be the Apple Watch? So it has no effect on me whatsoever. In fact, I am more frequently out and about without my phone than I am without my watch because I will often go for walks or exercise

or whatever just with my Apple Watch. So it doesn't affect me at all, but it is cool for people who don't have an Apple Watch to at least get some bit of feedback there if they did like all three of them and we're doing some kind of approximation thing then i would love that because then i wouldn't have to wear my apple watch all the time to maintain my fitness stuff as i've mentioned before like i would like the option to wear one of my other watches my nicer watches where sometimes i will wear my apple watch just out of habit because I want to

get that information. That's what I actually care about the most. So as I said before, I would love Apple to make a product that did it. My expectation now is that they've got so much data about how Apple Watches calculate health that they've been able to build an algorithm that they can use, that they put on the iPhone, right? I reckon that's how they've been able to do this, right? That like they are able to pair the two things together right like if an apple watch is reporting this amount of information and an iphone is reporting this amount of information we can work out what the difference is between the two and then they've built some kind of approximation for the move thing which i actually think is really cool but it's very clear like i think

this is a cool feature but like from apple perspective, this is a great like gateway to the Apple Watch. Like, if you end up becoming someone who's like, I really love knowing this move number, the natural next step for you is to get the real good stuff, get an Apple Watch. I think it's smart. I do think it's smart. If you would like to send in a question for us to answer on the show,

just send out a tweet with the hashtag ask upgrade or use question mark off to upgrade in the relay fm members discord thank you so much to bombus doordash fitbod and sourcegraph for their support of this episode and thank you to our members who support us with upgrade plus as well if you want to find jason online you can go to sixcolors.com You can also find Jason at jsnl on Twitter, J-S-N-E-L-L I saw a headline that made me think of you the other day, Jason, that Apple announced

the earnings for later in the month. Oh yeah, I jotted that down. I'm going to warm up the chart machine for that one. Do you remember that time when everyone forgot? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, there was that time where we forgot yeah yeah it was well i mean something there was that time where we didn't mention it and then somebody mentioned it in passing and it

was like oh yeah and apple results are tomorrow and i i had that moment of like oh geez yeah because also like john vorhees also had the same thing but like for whatever reason that very specific one everyone forgot i i now have a recurring reminder for every three months in the middle of a month to look for the Apple results date and put it on the calendar. Got to get it on. Because it changes, but it's always happening. So, yeah, then we'll talk about it afterward. I can't wait.

You know I can't wait. I'm at imyke. Don't forget to go to upgradeyourwardrobe.com to buy yourself some lovely summer fun merchandise. Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Upgrade. We'll be back next week. Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snell. Goodbye, Mike Hurley.