Upgrade - 416: Shout-out to Bridget Knight

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

Myke and Jason both have new M2 MacBook Airs, so it's time for our full review. Jason opens the Stocks app for the first time in ages. Jony Ive's long fade-out from Apple is completed. And in honor of World Emoji Day, we select our favorite emojis in seven categories.

From RelayFM, this is Upgrade, episode 416. Today's show is brought to you by Sourcegraph, Ladder, and Mode. My name is Mike Hurley, and I'm joined by Jason Snell. Hi, Jason. Hi, Mike. I have a Hashtag Snow Talk question for you. It comes from Luke. Luke wants to know, Jason, do you use Shake to undo?

No. No. Especially not... Okay, I used to use Shake to undo when it was the only option, right? And this is how it would go. Oh, I need to undo this thing sigh i roll shake yes yep um and now they put in gestures for undo and i don't do that anymore

yeah if it's three it's three finger tap right three finger tap, right? Three finger swipe. Swipe? Yeah. Oh, the swipe does just undo. If you do three finger tap, you get that little thing at the top that says undo, copy, paste. I mean, I think you get that with one tap. Anyway, it's the three finger swipe

and one way is a redo and the other way is the undo. That's the trick. There are many ways. It all takes three-finger swipe in one way is a redo and the other way is the undo. That's the trick. There are many ways. It all takes three fingers. If you're still shaking to undo and you're embarrassed by it, three-finger swipe is the system-wide

shortcut in iOS for undo and redo. There you go. People are going to learn one way or the other. They're going to learn that there's a tap or they're going to learn that there's a swipe, but we're providing, you know,

either way, we're providing the service today. Yeah, we are. As we always do. If you would like to send in a question to help us answer a future episode or open a future episode of Upgrade with the answer, just send in the tweet with hashtag Snell Talk or use question mark Snell Talk

in the RelayFM members Discord. Some follow-out, Jason Snell. Got a few things I want to talk about at the beginning of the show today. As always, I want to mention, subscribe to Upgrade Plus if you haven't already. You'll hear new ads, no ads, new ads which are none.

Oh, we premiere all our ads for Upgrade Plus members only. It's hot today. I'm doing the best I can. You get bonus content every single week. You also get access to the RelayFM members' Discord, which is a great way to listen to shows live. We record live every Monday at 9 a.m. Pacific, and the live chat is there in the Discord,

and you can also listen there as well. We have many shows here at RelayFM that also record live. It's not just Upgrade. One of them is Conduit, which is hosted by Kathy Campbell and Jay Miller. This is a, I would say, a very supportive show that our members love,

which is focused on how people stay productive with the things that they need to do and the things that they want to do. Conduit also just passed its one-year anniversary. So if you're saying, hey, I've never heard of Conduit, not only can you listen to it live, you can also check it out at relay.fm slash conduit.

You should. And so, yeah, if you want to get all of that, well, you want to get up Grid Plus, go to getupgridplus.com, you can sign up. I wanted to put a plea out to our listeners too, if they want to. Well, if they have nice things to say. Actually, you know, whatever.

Like the people, if you're listening, yeah, we think you're listening because you like the show. We never ask for Apple Podcasts reviews. It's just not really a thing that you do. You'll hear many shows ask you for this, but we just don't really do it. It's just not a thing that we tend to focus on too much on the show. However, we spoke about some things that we really care about that are going on in the world right now. Political issues that I said shouldn't be political.

I don't think you should be political, but some people see them as political. Because of that, we got a lot of one-star reviews. So if you enjoy the show and would like to balance that out for us feel free if you've heard this and you're like ha ha ha I know how to get them well good luck to you

you know what I'm saying that's right I just wanted to ask podcast reviews were a mistake but this is where we are I think stars are fine the written reviews I wish kind of didn't exist, but they do.

I'd say that for Amazon products too, but yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Some Amazon reviews can be good. Like if somebody gives like something really useful and they include pictures and stuff, that can be pretty good. Yeah, the reviews on Apple Podcasts, very much like App Store reviews, are from I think a decision made in an era that if Apple were doing it today, they would not make that decision. But it got made already. Because I think, like everybody else, including Spotify, they have reviews, but it's just a five-star rating. Also, thank you for taking the hit and looking at our reviews because I have a very, very firm policy, which is I don't read podcast reviews.

Here's the thing. I wish I didn't, right? But every now and then, I can't help but look. You know? There's nothing I can do about it. The last thing I wanted to mention is that there is a new permanent RelayFM network merchandise store.

So you can go to relay.fm slash store. We're trialing out something new and having a permanent store. We've always done like we did on Upgrade recently, like a campaign, you know, like for a few weeks. By the way, thank you to everybody that did buy a Summer of Fun t-shirt too. But Cotton Bureau also does,

which is the company that we've used for all of our merch for years. Cotton Bureau also have print-on-demand stuff. And so we're trialing that out. We've not done it before. So to celebrate this initiative, we have four new RelayFM t-shirt designs. And so you can go and buy them whenever you want.

There's no campaign. There are some really fun ones. There's a couple of like Apple-focused ones, like retro Apple-focused ones. And then this other design that I really like called Transporter, which comes in a couple of different colors. And because we don't have to do campaigns, we don't need to do minimums,

we can just have loads available, like loads of designs available. So we're trying this out. Maybe it's something that we'll extend further with other network designs or other shows in the future. So if you like these designs, go buy one for yourself or you can get sweatshirts and hoodies and onesies and tank tops. It's very fun.

So if you want to go check that out, you can. And thank you for listening to this follow-out segment. I have some follow-up as well. Steven, not that one, wrote in to let us know that there's a new iOS 16 feature to add earnings reports to your calendar via the Stocks app. Yep, it's true. It's true. They're using one of the many pieces of new information in the Stocks app

in addition to all that Apple News integration. In iOS 16 now, there is a new feature where they are using the data of when every company is doing its earnings. And they're putting a little button in that says, create a calendar event. So you don't miss the upcoming exciting financial disclosure event which creates an all-day event, by the way, which I find hilarious because if you're on a New York Stock Exchange or NASDAQ or anything in the US,

the releases come out at 4.30 Eastern. But let's make it an all-day event because really when it's corporate earning season, it's an all-day party, right? Yeah, it's an all-day event. I mean, we're all celebrating all day. All day. Disclosures. season it's an all-day party right yeah it's an all-day event i mean we're all celebrating all day so all day disclosures whoo i know i know it's i know it's early in the beta process but i would just like to give my feedback here that the word event two times in the same sentence that close to each other create calendar events you don't miss the upcoming event i don't think that's yeah we'll file feedback on that one file stocks feedback i just filed it that's that's great. Yeah, well, file feedback on that one. File stocks feedback. I just filed it.

That's what you should be known for is stocks bugs. I should be the stocks guy? Honestly, I imagine the stocks developer is sitting at Apple, and it's like that scene in Ghostbusters where the call comes in, and Janine says, we got one, and presses a button, and an alarm goes off, and everybody jumps to it. I imagine that's what happens when feedback comes in for the stocks app they have a fine person's poll they care

yeah they found a thing that we and also i'll just say i this is the first time i've opened the stocks app in years so uh thanks hey well maybe the person who wrote this in is that person maybe steven steven the sole developer wrote in to remind us there's a new feature in the stocks app but i am very excited for apple earnings on june 28th i think it's going to be an interesting one again so i'm looking forward to it we'll be talking about it uh the end of the month or beginning of July. I guess it's beginning of July, right? It's about the time. I guess. Yeah, I guess that's right because it's the 28th.

I've added it to my calendar all day. Of course you have. Party on the 28th. And so on August 1st, I guess we'll talk about it and there'll be charts and everybody. Again, part of the day's partying and celebration is the unveiling of the charts, right? I said June 28th. I meant July 28th again. Oh, it's July 28th.

Okay, well, your calendar was filed out as a feedback for you. Yeah. You got the month wrong. Mike gets the month wrong sometimes. The Discord always does. That's how I found that out. They always file feedback. Apple has received 52 Emmy Award nominations.

Yeah. Ted Lasso is still getting it done and severance that's the that's the one that i think is interesting is that severance peaked through there and got enough attention to get 14 awards it's looking there's a tough slate of nominees out there i i'm you know it's going to be tough uh anything they win is going to be impressive because there's just so many. It's peak TV, Mike. Yeah, there's a lot of TV. Platinum age of TV. Because Apple got 52, but I think it was Netflix and HBO got more, right?

Which, I mean, makes sense, but it's just to put that into perspective. Ted Lasso got 20 nominations. Severance got 14. And then there was another 11 shows that picked up, between one and three nominations. I think Severance is going to do pretty well, and I reckon Ted Lasso is going to do pretty well again.

We'll see. Like I said, I mean, it's an honor just to be nominated. They're in some spectacularly tough categories, but I think it says something about Severance being the next kind of like critical darling of apple tv plus that it got 14 nominations i reckon severance is going to get something my expectation is that like they're in the drama category right and it's better call souls last season so i reckon that show's gonna pick up a few a few awards i kind of imagine it. Not exactly like, but you know,

like Schitt's Creek, when it was the last one, they swept it, right? Right. I don't think they're going to sweep it, but I reckon there's probably going to be quite a few awards going to Better Call Saul,

which is a fantastic TV show, by the way, that I love very much. Trip Mickle, which by the way, I love that name so much. Trip Mickle. It's just a fantastic name.

Two Ps. You're blessed of a name like that. No one forgets your name if your name's Trip Mikkel. It's a fantastic name. Trip Mikkel at the New York Times, who recently wrote the book about Johnny Ive, is reporting that Johnny Ive's relationship with Apple has come to a close. So if you remember, when Johnny left to start Love From, there was a consulting relationship set up between Apple and Johnny Ive, which initially we all laughed at and thought was just to keep up appearances.

But over time, it has come to light that no, Johnny has actually been really involved. And this may have been one of the problems. So the New York Times piece says that basically neither side, both Apple and Love From, were completely happy with the arrangement as it was set. side both apple and love from were completely happy with the arrangement as it was set so uh it was a multi-year contract that cost apple 100 million dollars for johnny i guess that's the retainer fee uh but apple had approval over love from the client list and it seemed like these two things made it when they came to the table to renegotiate it seemed like both were actually okay with walking away yeah

interesting story as we do here we wonder like what's the source of this um he definitely has some good johnny ive camp sources as came out in his book but um i wonder if there's some apple sourcing here too yeah given because i don't think that johnny ives camp would be like apple is unhappy that they're paying him a lot of money for nothing. Right. That's an Apple thing. So I I'm fascinated by, by that on one level, but like big picture here, when, when this

came out my immediate thought was, it's just the last step in the long, slow fade of this happens with incredibly high-level executives. Sometimes you end up with this thing, which is the person has got their foot out the door, but there's value in the company keeping a visible relationship with them. It calms the investors. It makes everybody feel okay about it.

And they essentially pay that person to kind of consult, right? Like that is a classic, pay them to consult. My uncle was a VP of human resources for a Fortune 500 company and he retired and then he consulted for a while and they actually had to, they didn't have anybody with a skill set. So they actually did bring him back to do some stuff for them. But it was, it reminded me of that where it's the classic, oh, he's still around.

He's consulting. And it's part of, this is how this was always going to be with Johnny. It's like they're going to give him different titles. And he was going to come in a lot less. And then he was going to kind of just peek in or work on a special project. Special projects, that's a classic one too, right? Oh, they're moving on to special projects, which might be nothing. Um, and then this is like the, the, the final step in the process of sort of, uh, removing the, the bonds between Apple

and Johnny Ive is this now we are wrapping up our, our, uh, relationship with them. So I'm sure. And like, you could, you could cast this as oh apple didn't think they were getting value for money here and that's what trip mickle's report says is is you know people at inside apple are like we're paying him what for what right and i get that the answer is you're paying him to cushion the the panic in some people in Wall Street about Johnny Ive being seen as some sort of a magical being who is the last connection to Steve Jobs as Apple and that without him, Apple is rudderless. And by having him not just disappear, but instead slowly go out the door. timing of last week having the GQ article with Evans Hankey, who now leads, she now leads Apple's design team quoted about the MacBook Air design. Like this is the moment where Apple sends the message like, you know, I know you remember Johnny, but it's been a while and we've been

soldiering on without him and everything's fine. So that's what they got for their money is that, which is the long, slow fade instead of an abrupt departure that would have upset potentially markets and hurt Apple in the stock market. And that's what this is. I mean, maybe he was involved in some stuff a little bit, but I'm sure that those people at Apple who were saying we're paying him what for what are absolutely right. Like, no, of course it doesn't make sense. That's not why they were really paying him that. But I think it is interesting that this came out in a story and that honestly, I'm surprised it happened so quickly. I thought that they, you know, Apple's got all the money. They could do

this for longer, but it may just be that Johnny Ive is a little restless still, and that Apple doesn't think that they actually need that connection anymore. So I think you guys were talking about this on Connected last week, but the idea here, too, that Johnny Ive, I don't think he's going to rush out and suddenly design a laptop for HP. You're thinking of dithering. This is a conversation on dithering. Oh, did dithering talk about that too?

I mean, I listened to so many podcasts over the weekend while I was traveling. So I'll just take it up. As you may have heard on other podcasts, or maybe not, here's the thing. Johnny, I was bored designing computers, right? Now, maybe there's some truth to the fact that if he's starting out love from,

he can make a lot of money putting his name on things that he's not that involved with, that he hires people to design for people in the tech industry, smartphones and laptops and stuff like that. But I think the smart argument is if Johnny and I wanted to keep making laptops, he would have stayed at Apple. He's bored. He's bored with laptops. He'd been there, done that, solved that, or at least in his mind he has. So I think he's gone on to other things and it'll all be high design stuff

and weird stuff that regular people won't buy probably. And that's fine. That's like he's ascended into whatever kind of white room he ascends into and then he'll live there and design very expensive products that most people will never use that's probably where he's going i mean i could be wrong he could he could be like the

next oxo good grips or design some hex wrenches that everybody loves but probably not i mean his client list so far has been luxury stuff but that may have been because apple didn't want him working on consumer electronics there could be some i don't i agree he's probably not going to make a laptop or an iphone but there could be you might make a pair of phones you never know i could imagine like sure and it might be it might be a broad essentially non-compete which by the way non-competes are not enforceable in california so this is one way you would do that is you would say well we're just going to pay you to not compete with us for a while. But again, I think the scenarios are, it's either something that's esoteric or it's a scenario where he wants to build this company up with money, but in the long run, is he going to

be putting his best work into a consumer electronic product? My guess is no. That doesn't mean that he might not accept the job and have his minions his minions his underlings uh work on it with johnny's you know johnny popping in every now and then to give a little wink and a nod and then disappear again like it has been reported and john gruber did some additional reporting on this that like people at apple have still been going to johnny for approvals and the thing that i don't know about this is if like that's been an official thing or if he was still around and you've worked with him forever, would you not want his opinion? Like, I'm not sure what's going on there. But apparently that was upsetting some people, which I understand.

And also some executives at Apple were upset that people from Johnny's old design team left Apple to join Love Farm. That's also true, right? That they're hiring people away from Apple and that that isn't necessarily a very happy kind of thing. Yeah. If I was a manager at Apple and I was seeing people go to Johnny Ive, who's basically been sidelined and is on his way out and using him. And the counter argument is, well, but it's Johnny Ive. Why would we not use him? And I'm like, I get that. But at the same time, he's not in charge, right? You could pick his brain, but I could see a manager at Apple being like why is he inserting himself right maybe it wasn't completely clear honestly like maybe maybe johnny's still around it's weird right like that's

that they needed to get rid of him so they can move on and and and i think this is good best for everyone in the high level i think this is just works as designed, which is this is the fadeaway. This is the slow severing of the relationship so that everybody lands gently. Apple gets some continuity. Johnny gets some money to start up his next thing. And now it's over.

And that's fine. Everyone sleeps easy. I hope so. On probably a big bed of money. Mm-hmm. By the way, Trip Mickle, do you think he's the third? Do you think he's like Reginald Mickle III? Think that's where that's from?

Or is he actually named Trip? Ooh, that's a good one. I would like to know if anybody knows. I don't know. I looked. He's from Charlotte, North Carolina. Went to Wake Forest. Went to Columbia Journalism School,

I think. But I can't find any sort of historical, like a picture of him as a kid in a white suit with his dad, Reginald Mickle II, and his grandfather, Reginald Mickle I.

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air let's do it i've got one do you have one i do have one actually i i had a uh midnight m2 macbook air arrive about 45 minutes from uh before we started today's episode uh it is a review unit from apple um and yeah i have it right i have it right now i just finished the uh migration assistant before we started recording which went very quickly migration assistant is incredible my favorite feature in migration assistant is the multiple streams of network that it will actually show you like oh you have a thunderbolt cable and you have Wi-Fi and you have Ethernet and we've tested them all and this is the fastest and so we're picking that one. And that's very impressive. And I love that they show it. And yeah, I've used it several times because I review laptops

and stuff, right? And so I'm doing a lot of migrations and it works great. Yeah, I used the Thunderbolt cable and I mean, it just did it so fast. It was like so fast that I kind of couldn't believe that it finished. So yeah, I have the Midnight model. I have the, let me see what I've got.

I've got eight gigabytes of RAM, which was a surprise to me. 512 gigabyte storage. And it's, I think I have the one with the 10 GPU cores, 8 CPU cores. And you had a relatively similar one in Starlight, right? Yeah, in Starlight. Not my favorite color, but that's what they had i do really like the way the midnight looks i mean i will confirm it's already covered in fingerprints

i don't care about that personally um yeah if i was buying one of these this is the color i would go for because it's the new color like the one that looks really new color because the starlight that you have in the images that you put in your review, it just looks silver. It just looks silver. I know. It is the most subtle of all the colors, right? Because it's not like a bold gold or something, right? It is silver with a yellow undertone instead of a blue undertone.

It's noticeable, but it's it's noticeable but it's super subtle yeah it's not i don't really think that it it's surprising to me to have both silver and starlight like that's you know midnight and space gray i can actually kind of see why you would have both of those available because this does look somewhere between blue and black. So it has got a different look to it. I thought that Starlight and Midnight were the new silver and space gray. And they would just clear them out.

But they didn't do that. The gang's all here. Nothing's getting rid of space gray it seems like now. Space gray, is it the new silver or is silver the new silver like those like i don't i don't again because we every time we talk about this people say you know i don't want a colorful thing it's like it's fine like apple's not going to stop making boring colored products for people

who don't want to have a pop of color in their in the in the apple products they're using like it's fine there will always be a silver MacBook, right? Always, always be a silver option or a space gray option or both. But yeah, the, the, you know,

I think the starlight is, is nice. I think it's a nice change from silver. Like, I think it's a little different and that's a good thing. Midnight is the one that feels the most different, which is what's exciting about it. My kind of, I've only got initial impressions, right?

You spent like a good few days, if not a week with yours. I don't know exactly, but I picked it up to bring it from my desk to where I'm recording now, the digital desk that I have in my studio. And as someone who, I daily a MacBook Pro and I take that laptop, put it in my bag every day, you know, like I'm used to picking it up. I can immediately feel the difference. Like this is not, I would say it's a light computer. It's lighter. The thinness, I think, is the way that it feels to hold in my hand.

It's noticeably lighter than the M1 Air. I can pick them up in succession and it's like it's not one of those imperceptible. It's like, oh, yeah. And some of that is the weight because it is lighter. But some of that is also the spread of the weight because it's got a slightly larger footprint it's a little bit deeper um but it's thinner overall even though it's you know thinner than the thick part but thicker than the thin part of the m1 air but overall it's thinner on average and so the volume is less but that also means the way to sort of spread out and so i think that they're both of

those things are going on there where it feels a little more balanced and it also feels it because it is lighter. And so, yeah, it comes up, comes across as being really light. And then there's just, you know, the old Apple design, I keep struggling in ways to describe it, you know, use words to describe it. Sometimes I refer to it as pillowy, but you know, it's that thing where at the, it's almost like a really, really subtle dome where at the edges, there's this slow sort of drop off. So you get the sense that it's almost like the edges are just a little bit lower than the center where that's the, that's the classic MacBook Air design. It's the design on, it became the classic sort of MacBook Pro design. But these new MacBook Pros from last year and the MacBook Air now, that's not it, right? Like those surfaces are entirely flat. And then there's an edge to the next surface. And that is a really

different feel. Like you mentioned the iPad, like the iPad Pro was originally like that, right? And a lot of iPad models had that curved back thing. And then they went away from that and they went to flat sides, flat back. And that's a design thing that they're bringing through their whole product line. And it's good. It works. It feels modern. I'm sure in 10 years, people will look at this and be like, oh, it feels old. But that's fashion. That's how it is. But it feels great. will look at this and be like, oh, it feels old. But that's fashion. That's how it is. But it feels great. It looks great.

And it is, yeah, it does have that kind of iPad vibe. It's about the size in one dimension of the 12.9-inch iPad Pro, but it's taller than that. And obviously, it's thicker than that. But it's reminiscent for sure. I mean, and I guess part of the tallness comes from the screen size change right that it's gone up a little bit it's gained a notch um all of that makes sense to me it's like this is the modern design you know you can like it or not like it but now when i open this macbook air i'm like oh this is a modern computer like it just looks like a modern computer to me and you

know we can argue as to whether that's a good thing, but that's just what it is. When I was writing my review, I was thinking, okay, I got to talk about the notch again. Literally, what I want to do is just paste in the paragraph I wrote about the notch for the 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pros. There are people out there who hate the notch. I just got to say, I don't get it. I don't get it. It's more space. It's space that would otherwise not be there if there was no notch.

It's not like they're intruding a notch into your precious screen space that you had that basically have extended the height of the screen. But to do so, they've had to still leave the sensors there. So they're giving and they built for Mac OS. They've built the menu bar around the notch. So what you're really getting is a free menu bar. they've built the menu bar around the notch. So what you're really getting is a free menu bar. And the menu bar space that previously was on your laptop is now content space

because the menu bar is hiding up with the notch. Now there are scenarios where you use a particular app that has like lots and lots of windows or lots and lots of menu items, or you've got lots of menu bar items in the upper right-hand corner of your screen where it can be a problem because the notch is sort of like taking up space there. But I feel like those are edge cases.

I don't use apps that do that. Even BBEdit, which can do that, I mostly just turn off. It has a lot of extraneous menus that I don't use, so I just turn them off and it's not a big deal. I use Bartender, so that actually reduces the number of menu items that I have on the right side. And you get used to it. It's not that big a deal, and you get more content out of it. That's the truth. If you really hate it, there's a setting for you to turn it off and pretend that the notch isn't there, and you just live in a smaller screen. But I think more screen space is better, and having the menu bar up there is better.

So if people don't like the notch, okay, that's fine. I think it's, I think it's an, I mean, look, would it be better if it went all the way to the edge and there was no notch at all? Sure. But we don't, you know, we don't live in that world. But I'm glad that they made the effort to redesign Mac OS in order to eke out more space up there anyway, with something that actually feels natural, which is the menu bar, which is not really part of the universe of your computer anyway, and can hide up there. Yeah, I mean, I have no problem with the notch at all. It is what it is, right? Yeah. I would say that the screen, the thing that I immediately noticed wasn't the thing that I

expected would be the thing that I would immediately notice, right? So coming from a MacBook Pro, the 14-inch MacBook Pro, it it wasn't the size it wasn't the promotion it was the brightness yeah i really noticed this is brighter than the m1 macbook air but it's only 500 nits it's not look okay so this looks like a macbook pro and in fact in that story i mentioned earlier uh from gq in the uk the evans hanky quotes um are all about how they designed the 14 and 16-inch MacBook Pro and this MacBook Air together. And they're of a kind, and they do. If you put them down together, they look like they are a laptop family, which calls into question the existence of that 13-inch MacBook Pro. We've already talked about that. It doesn't make sense, except it does. It's an

outlier, just like the M1 Air is an outlier now because it's an older model. But if you look at Apple's core laptops, it's 13 Air and then 14 and 16 Pro, and they are all of a kind. They look exactly the same. They've been brought together in that way. Okay. So what differentiates the Air from the Pro? Because the, uh, you know, several hundred dollars less than the pros start. Well, what do you, what do you lose? You lose a port. Um, but what you're, you lose power because they have the higher power processors and the M2 does not match up with an M1 pro or an M1 max. But the big thing I think you lose is the screen. The screen while nicer for a macbook air than any macbook air screen before is not the higher resolution very bright hdr capable and um and uh high refresh rate

pro motion display that is like the number one thing you don't get it's actually kind of ipad like right like the high-end computer gets the pretty display. It's a little like that. So there's a super fancy display on those high-end MacBook Pros. The MacBook Air doesn't have it. And that's, I think, the biggest, single biggest difference other than, I guess, the processor family, right? But like that display is a good display for a MacBook Air, but it is not close. Like the MacBook Pro display experience is going to be way better. Except for the 13. The 13 doesn't count.

Yeah, we're not talking about that one. We're talking about it in comparison. We'll make it very clear. We're talking about the MacBook Pro. We're talking about the new ones. The proper modern Apple laptop lineup now is M2 MacBook Air, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro. Yeah. And then Apple also makes two other computers that are in their old design that are also available for sale.

Yeah. As laptops. And that's it. That's what the laptop situation is right now. Yeah. Do you have any particular thoughts about the M2 chip? Oh, it is what it is um it's the same chip i mean what the lesson we learned with the m1 that came in so many different computers is that essentially

you're getting the same chip in a different wrapper so it is the same one that we talked about with the macbook pro 13 inch it's the m2 It's faster than the M1 in a lot of ways. It has the ability to run at higher power. That also means that it can get warmer. I did some tests of the M1 or the M2 Air versus the M2 13 inch Pro, which we said we weren't going to talk about, but now I'm going to talk about because it's the same chip. And I was just trying to detect at what point it separates because the Air doesn't have a fan and the MacBook Pro does. Now, we could argue that the MacBook Pro has its own thermal issues and that maybe it's not, you know, doesn't have that great a cooling system, but it does have a fan, right? It at least does have a fan in there. And the answer was,

could I get the MacBook Pro to run faster than the MacBook Air? Because that's the one thing the MacBook Pro has going for it is the fan. Well, I did a bunch of stuff. I did an isotope de-reverb, which is like the reason I buy computers with lots of processor cores, because it takes forever. De-reverbing an echoey room for somebody who's playing Dungeons and Dragons for Total Party Kill for three hours. That is a long, long process. So I did a dereverb that took about five minutes. It was a shorter file. And the times between the two were the same. Didn't see any divergence. I did a Final Cut Pro export, which I'll grant you was a 1080. It was not a 4k export. It was a 1080 export took about two hours or 20 minutes took about 20 minutes

on the second identical. Okay, no change, nothing different. In the end, what I ended up doing to find any difference at all was take Cinebench, which is a CPU based benchmark that does rendering, and you can put it on a loop and say, run this test for, in my case, I just said for 10 minutes, run it until it's after 10 minutes and then give me the score. And on the 10 minute test, the MacBook Pro was a little tiny bit faster. And you can see the results in my review. It was marginally faster. So there was definitely some throttling going on in the MacBook Air that was not going on in the MacBook Pro at that point. But I'll point out, both of them were still way faster than the M1 Air. So there's that. And two, they're both way slower than the MacBook Pro,

the 14 and 16, right? So they are what they are. They are exactly what you expect them to be. exactly what you expect them to be. And I appreciate that tech, Twitter and YouTube and podcasts delves deep in things like throttling and performance and all of that because you want to keep Apple honest. That said, nobody should be talking about throttling on the macbook air because it's not relevant like the the work you have to go to to get it to throttle at all is so much that and and what's the worst that happens it gets a little warmer it doesn't really get hot but it gets warm and it slows down a little bit but it's still much faster than an M1 computer and way faster than an Intel-based MacBook Air that you were using before. And so the worst that happens is you have to wait a little longer. And in most cases you don't because the bar has been

set so high for performance now with the Apple Silicon chips that what we used to call an extreme workload in extended conditions, like even a couple of years ago, is no longer extreme because it just does it without a sweat. So you're left with finding these edge cases where it really pushes it over the edge. And what I would say there is, if you're looking for an edge case like that, well, you have a choice to make, which is, if you can afford it, you can buy the MacBook Pro, which is going to be way faster and has a better cooling system. Or if you'd rather have a small laptop that's cheaper, just use the MacBook Air and it will be a little slower because it's a

cheaper computer with a slower processor. And the throttling is really not even the issue there. The issue is it's a slower computer with a slower processor because it's not a Pro or a Max. It's just a base level. So it is, MacBook Air is honestly, it's enough computer for 99.9% of people. I think the reasons you don't get it are you must have two external displays, in which case you got to get a MacBook Pro pro sorry to those people uh if you if you really want the best quality display on the laptop that is a place where the macbook pros are far and away as we've said above what the macbook air has um you want that extra port there's only one extra port because the pros only have three ports in magsafe and this has two ports in magsafe so it's not even that much of a bonanza. But like the differences are pretty clear. And if you took the MacBook Pro 13 out of the equation and the M1 MacBook Air out of the equation, which you can't because of pricing, but if you did,

and you just had these three laptops, they would make sense because it's essentially the low-end laptop, which is pretty good. And then the high-end laptop, which comes in two sizes and is way better in a bunch of ways. And that's actually, it's like Apple is creeping towards some simplicity in the MacBook line, which is why I'm sure that something will come out that will totally wreck it. But they're creeping in that direction because the Air makes sense as the little buddy who's less capable and cheaper than those MacBook Pros. and cheaper than those macbook pros i think that there is a lot there's obviously a lot of conversation around this as you mentioned like on and especially on youtube this is not a professional computer like it's not that it's not you know the fact that you can make it hot like okay like you can do that like that's a thing yes but that's the vast majority of people that buy this computer they will mostly use it for standard computer tasks they're never gonna throttle it never ever

ever ever ever gonna come close to throttling it right and like i said throttling sounds terrifying it's not it just means that it runs a little slower until it cools down it just means your job runs slower but your job's already going to be running so much faster than it was on your previous computer that you won't even notice or matter i think that this is also spillover from that 13-inch macbook pro um where i mean look we've already beaten it to death so i won't go back into it but i think that in addition to the fact that it's completely uninspired and i'm beating it a little bit, completely uninspired old design. Why does it even exist? It's to hit a price point.

Like nobody should buy it. I think it's fair to say, why is it called pro if it doesn't have a pro chip? It doesn't support more external monitors and it doesn't support the maximum you could get out of the M2 chip because its cooling system still isn't really good enough at high levels to keep it cool enough to stop it from throttling, even with the fan blowing. Like, I think those are all fair questions.

I think, I think the fact that that computer shouldn't exist at all, it kind of trumps the rest of them, but I think those are fair questions to ask, but this is a MacBook air. I think the fact that that computer shouldn't exist at all, it kind of trumps the rest of them. But I think those are fair questions to ask. But this is a MacBook Air. Honestly, I think the only fair question to ask about the MacBook Air in this whole universe that we're talking about is it's $1,199. And I have in the back of my head just a little bit of a concern, right? Like, isn't this what Apple did before with the MacBook and the 13-inch MacBook Pro,

where they tried to make a brand-new MacBook Air that people would buy, but because it was not $999, they didn't. They just kept buying the $999 one. And I think that there's enough value in here that you should probably get the get the uh the m2 version but keep in mind like if you you should probably upgrade the ssd because it'll be a lot faster if you have a 512 ssd than the 256 because of a design decision apple made and so the base model is not as great even though we didn't get it strangely apple's not giving this out to reviewers so we haven't seen it but that's that's going to be the

case just as it was with the MacBook Pro. My concern about this product more is how long is that M1 MacBook Air going to hang around? Because this is a great product, but this product needs to go to $999. It really does. It's got to happen within two years, I feel like. Inflation is an issue and all that.

But my point is, you can't make this product, this product's not going to be the number one selling Mac laptop if it's $200 more than the 12-inch MacBook and that 13-inch MacBook Pro that were the Retina ones. So you shouldn't buy the MacBook Air and everybody just kept buying the MacBook Air non-Retina for $999 because they liked it. So at some point, Apple is going to, hopefully this product, I guess what I'm saying is hopefully this product is engineered in terms of profit margin and parts and all of that, to push down the line and kick the M1 Air out at some point.

Because it does need to do that. Maybe this was just a really bad time to launch a new laptop. Oh, undoubtedly. This is a terrible time to launch a new laptop. And the other thing is, this is a unique time where the Apple Silicon transition is so dramatic that if you come from an Intel to an M1 Air, which is a year and a half old product, it's still 10 times faster, right?

Like you're not taking a step backward by going to an M1 Air, which is why I still think they're going to sell a lot of M1 Airs because they're cheaper and you don't it's still a huge upgrade from intel to apple silicon so this is a unique time for apple to even offer continue offering an old model because the old models um value as an upgrade is still enormous all right so i wanted to ask you do you think that this job does a this machine does a good job of replacing the previous MacBook Air? But I want to actually ask you that question slightly differently. Because I think you've answered yes to that. But what I want to now ask you is,

if someone comes to you and they say, Jason, I want a Mac. What do I get? I have to update my, you know, what laptop do I buy my kid for college story? And I mean, I don't have an easy answer. I would say, and you can see this in my review, sort of at the end, I have a section that's sort of like struggling with this issue. The M1 Air is great. And I don't know what your financial circumstances are. I don't know what your budget is. The M2 Air is really nice.

Like if you can afford to buy an M2 Air is really nice. Like if you can afford to buy an M2 Air instead of an M1 Air, I think you should, right? But the M1 Air is a couple hundred bucks cheaper and yeah, the screen isn't as good and it doesn't have MagSafe. So if you're really like stretching to get a new laptop for your kid or something and you're like, you know, $11.99 or maybe if I upgrade it, it's $13.99

is really too rich for my blood. Like you're not going to go wrong getting an M1 Air, getting a refurb M1 Air if you want to, right? Save even more money. And of course we should say if it's your kid in school, you can buy it for $100 less at the education store. So you can get a really great deal for an M1 Air and it will be a spectacularly good computer. I will say, think about who you're buying it for. I bought my son

a MacBook Pro before this thing came out. I bought him a 14-inch MacBook Pro, base model basically. And one of my reasons for doing that is his computer died. And I thought, well, I could get him an M1 Air. And then I thought, he destroys power cords. He destroys power cords. He torques the edges of the power cords, and I have to replace his USB-C power cords all the time. And like, yes, should I teach him better cord etiquette of course i could he's a teenager he's not listening um and i thought to myself magsafe has a substantial value for that person because if he tries to put that level of torque on magsafe it's just gonna pop off and he's not gonna destroy the chord probably he'll learn better chord etiquette because his laptop will

never be charged exactly so He'll have to baby that MagSafe to keep it on there. So I think it comes down to it. So I've got my personal reasons for thinking MagSafe was a priority. And yes, today I would probably just get him a MacBook Air. But his computer died his middle of his senior year and I got him the MacBook Pro and it's

like I'm doing a nice thing for my kid who's graduating and going off to college. But that's what I would say is you've got to balance the new features in the M2 Air, which the M2 processor is one of them, but like the design and the MagSafe and the bigger screen is really, and then sort of niceness of all of that, that's really what you're paying for there. And it's a little bit faster. And everybody's going to have to balance those two things. I'm glad the M1 Air is still out there, like we said a moment ago, because this is a unique time where, you know, if you're sitting, most people buying these computers are coming from an Intel laptop. Like the M1 Air is

still an enormous leap forward. It's still, you know, even though it's two years old, it's an enormous leap forward. So there's no shame in buying an M1 Air. And if your priorities don't include spending more money for a, you know, new design and MagSafe and a little bit bigger screen, if you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter to me, save your money. If you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter to me, save your money. Or use that money to buy a little more storage or a little more RAM instead. And on the M1, the M1 Air is going to be great. So I think that's the M2 Air's biggest competition. It's literally, it's the M1 Air.

Because it's still so great. Yeah, so basically my plan is to use this over the next couple of weeks as my daily machine. So in two weeks' time or so, I will talk about what it's been like for me to swap out the MacBook Air from my MacBook Pro. So I'm going to use it plugged into my studio display. It's going to be the laptop I take to and from the studio every single day, and I'm going to use it as my main computer and see uh kind of how far it can get me because also this is actually me working out if like this is what i

want to do anyway like i've thought about what it would be to have a macbook air as my like main computer and then my macbook pro as my actual like always permanently plugged into the podcasting setup because that machine is so powerful. Sometimes when I do things on my M1 iMac I'm like, oh man MacBook Pro is so much faster for all of the processing of audio

and stuff. So that might be where I end up going but I'm so pleased to have this computer for a couple of weeks so I can try and work that out. So I'll report back on that. The yellow iMac, by the way, because Zach is already feeling bad about it, the yellow iMac is going to become my

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Summer of fun. So we're going to draft again. We are. In honor of World Emoji Day, which was yesterday. Yesterday. Congratulations to World Emoji Day for being itself. Okay, to the day itself. Well, Jeremy Butch moved on.

So I was going to say congratulations to Jeremy. No, congratulations to Jeremy, who did not have to go on a media blitz yesterday. And instead just got to hang out and drink fruity drinks. Right? Didn't he have like a frozen alcoholic something pink? Something like that, yeah. It looked great. So Jeremy was living large basically and not being on CNN,

talking about emoji, wearing an emoji shirt. So congratulations to Jeremy. I saw Jeremy just a few days ago, and we were talking about this, and he did seem pretty excited about not having to use it. He got a reprieve. You don't have to do anything for Emoji Day this year. Because he retired. He did.

Jeremy canceled emoji. Good for him. It's the end of emoji now. Yeah, he doesn't use them anymore. That's not true. He loses them a lot. Whenever I message with Jeremy, I always add a lot of emoji anyway, but I always feel like I have to put one in. And I bet so many people do that to him in his life and he probably doesn't

need it you know he's living in a bubble he thinks that emoji are far more popular than they actually are so Jason said to me let's do an emoji draft and I was like I gotta think about my favorite but then you up the stakes which I enjoy so what we're gonna to do is well i thought emoji draft it's going to end up being really boring because we're going to draft like the same ones that we always draft i want to i want to put a little i want to do a spread of emoji here so we're going to alternate we can pick from any emoji on the board however instead of it being because then it's like oh well you get a smiley and then i get what's left. And then you get animals and nature and then I get what's left, right? So here's what we're going to do.

We can pick, but we have to pick one from all of the keyboard categories except for flags because flags are boring. So smileys and people, animals and nature, food and drink, activity, travel and places, objects and symbols. Seven categories. We're going to make seven emoji picks each. We don't have to do them in any particular order. So if you want to leap in for an activity, do it. Oh. Yeah.

No, we're not doing them in order because you need to prioritize because otherwise I'm getting the second pick in every single category. So you can choose in any order, and then I will choose one from anywhere. You just can't choose more than one in a particular category. All right. I'm going to pick my favorite emoji then, even though I know you won't pick it anyway, but I'm going to pick it. Okay.

It's in the symbols category. All right. It is called heart decoration. That is the name of my favorite. Okay. And what does it look like? It is a kind of pinky purple square with a white heart in the middle all right so i've gone through today and i've gone to emojipedia and got all the

the official names of my emojis that i'm picking oh wow look at you but everyone has a heart that they like right you know like i think you're a blue you're a blue heart person maybe i spoiled that for you i know ste Stephen's an orange heart person. And I wanted to be different. And so I went with this very strange heart, which is just, it's a heart,

it's a white heart in a box. Why are you putting a heart in a box, Mike? Why are you doing it? That's me. I put hearts in boxes and give them to people. I am a creep. Oh, no. That's terrible. I put hearts in boxes and give them to people. I am a creep.

Oh, no. That's terrible. Oh, okay. What am I going to choose here? Yeah, you have given it away. I am going to choose, let's find him here. In Smilies and People. Okay. Okay. in smileys and people okay oh there's so many to choose from here too oh my god i use so many of these um in smileys and people i am going to choose man shrugging really Really? Yeah. That's your favorite emoji

in the smileys and people category. You know, well, look, I use, I use the joy emoji and I use the wink emoji and I use the upside down

smiley face emoji and they're all really great. And the head exploding emoji too. But like, I find myself using the shrug, the shrug emoji a lot because you know of the world and not understanding people in the world so i'm gonna go with the uh guy shrugging all right i'm gonna go to activity next okay trophy trophy is this uh various why why trophy tell me why trophy i like emoji that can be used

in various ways right and i feel like the trophy emoji can be used to celebrate something for somebody uh you can give it as a compliment to someone you know like if a dina says to me i washed the dishes i could send her a trophy emoji it's like you just want you're you're a trophy winner now you just want an award for doing that so i like the trophy emoji a lot for that it's one of those ones where like it's very obvious what it means when you receive it and uh it's fun all right that's that's that's great. Oh, I am... Yeah, this is tricky. There are so many things to pick for him here.

I'm going to go with a classic inactivity. You know it. They roll it out from the center field fence at the beginning of the season. The baseball emoji. Oh, baseball emoji. I would never pick that one. Love to have a baseball. Love to have a baseball. They have a lot of balls a lot of they have a lot of balls there's a lot well yeah there are i i thought

you were going to pick what steve just put in the discord which is the curling curling emoji oh curling is on the rise but i think i have to have to shout it out for baseball here i mean baseball really needs it you you know? They need their emoji. SF Symbols, I think they just added... I discovered while I was working on some menu bar or something that SF Symbols doesn't have... Oh, no, it was... Overcast uses SF Symbols for the playlists,

and I was doing a sports playlist, and there's almost no sports iconography for SF Symbols. But in the new version of SF Symbols that's coming out, they added all the sports iconography, which is great. I'm going to go food and drink now. Okay. And I'm going to pick, this is like a similar usage to trophy for me, which is bottle with popping cork. It's the champagne emoji. Because again, it's like, that's a great way to celebrate something.

You know, somebody tells you they've got some big news, some good news. They did something awesome. You send them back a champagne emoji, you know? With some confetti on the iMessage. You could do that, you know, like some fireworks or something. It's a good one. I love it. That's a good one.

I like to celebrate. It's a good one. I love it. That's a good one. I like to celebrate. I'm going to stay there in food and drink. Okay. Can you guess what I'm going to choose here? Yes, it's the other one that I put in here, which is the pizza emoji. You got it. It's pizza. I love the pizza emoji.

You put a little pineapple next to it, but I can only pick one. I'm going to love the pizza emoji yeah i put a little pineapple next to it but i can only pick one i'm gonna pick the the pizza emoji just in case you you sniped any of mine i made two in my little short list here i see i see so was my other one okay i'm gonna go to smileys and people all right and i'm gonna go with smiling face with hearts so it's a little smiling face with the hearts around it i think of this as just the love emoji that's how i think of this one um and so that i think i knew you would pick this one i know you love it and it's it's a great emoji right because it's basically the i appreciate the love that is either being that's being sent to me or that i am sending to you.

It's really good. I like it a lot. It's a good one. I use this in a lot of places where people use hearts, I think. Like one of the heart emojis. I do this a lot. For me, the heart emoji that I use, like the heart decoration, I use it as kind of like a like.

You know? That's how I think of that one. But this one is like, I like you know that's how i think of that one but this one is like i appreciate you that's nice i am going to stay in animals and nature and this is the first pick in animals oh sorry oh i'm looking at animals in nature and uh i'm going with monkey face oh just general monkey face i'm gonna pick mine real quick which is see no evil monkey oh yeah now i will say that since i added the the like hiding you know like there's the emoji now you've got like the hands over the eyes with like the peeking through. I use this less, but I still love this emoji.

The monkey ones are great. Yeah, I'm a big fan. There's a monkey emoji, which is like a more of an animal style emoji where you see the monkey and the tail and all of that. This monkey has quite a story, right? This monkey is looking at you and then it sees no evil and hears no evil and speaks no evil. But also then we get the like the full body shot of the monkey but i i like the monkey face i don't like the full body shot of the monkey no i don't know why they chose the cartoon monkey face for that one well i think they they think look we already did a monkey so it's that monkey but they have other ones like i think is

it zebra or horse but they have a cartoon head? And then a regular one. Like, it looks more like life-like. You were going to say human, right? I was going to say human, yeah. Darn it. Whose turn is it? It is my turn because we doubled up on monkeys there.

Yeah. Oh, travel in places. This is where I can choose from various trams. Yep. Or I can do objects, which is very special. I have to decide whether I'm going to pick some objects that are ironic. Because I use a lot of objects ironically. Sure.

because I use a lot of objects ironically. Sure. Um, like my favorite, my favorite bad emoji is the, is the, um, is there,

isn't there like a, there's like a pen with a key or pen with a lock. It's pen with a lock, which is like, means like cryptographically signed. Yep. And I think that is one of the dumbest emoji. I know why it's there, you know, but it's, uhjis i know why it's there you know

but it's uh it's it's really dumb um boy the choice is here i am going to choose bridget knight i originally heard that of somebody called bridget knight bridget knight i am going to choose bridget knight yes yes. The Bridget Knight emoji. Because it's the Golden Gate, right? Because it's the Golden Gate Bridge, yeah. In most representations, it's the Golden Gate Bridge, and I live there. Shout out to Bridget Knight wherever she is.

I'm going to stick with travel and places and choose airplane departure. Oh, airplane departure. Airplane taking off. Yeah. Because to me, that means I'm going somewhere, you know? I set that in Slack as if when I'm traveling, that becomes my little away emoji icon or whatever it is.

And that means Mike's on the road, you know? Which I appreciate. That's pretty good While I stall to pick an object, my next pick is going to be Blueheart from Symbols My go-to heart is the Blueheart I think I've described this, that now there are lots of colors

of heart, which is great, but there was a time when the Redheart was there, and you're like I don't know. Red heart has some extra meaning to it that I don't want to do that. So blue heart is my trademark heart. And I love it. We're down to objects now. It's the object emoji draft from here on out.

This one's difficult for me because there is an emoji that i have as my personal favorite in this category but there's an emoji in the objects category that if i don't pick it i'm not going to hear the end of it and people are going to stop saying it so you could leave that for another podcast and pick a different one here no No, I'm going to have to pick it here. I'm never going to hear the end of it. In the objects category, I will pick the microbe emoji. Also known as the weird fish. AKA weird fish. In the non-Jeremy era, there is no reference to weird fish on the Emojipedia page.

Although I think that also happened during the Jeremy era. Maybe it was during the buyout era, the corporate buyout era. We've got to clean this up. We can't say weird fish on the... You know, I actually think it happened during COVID because this became the COVID emoji.

So I think he had to not call it weird fish anymore. Probably for the best. That's a shame. Wow. I don't even know here. It is really funny to me that both but like federico has a full color version of this tattoo on him you know like steven steven did a an interpretation i'll say of a tattoo federico went full bore straight on um i'm gonna finish with a an emoji that i use all the time because it's a it in Slack, which I'm in all the time.

And the shortcut in Slack is it's technically party popper, but the shortcut in Slack is ta-da. Ta-da. And I use it all the time whenever somebody is celebrating something or sometimes ironically as well. And it gets a lot of use and it's pretty nice, right? There are some other celebratory emoji, but that's the one that I tend to go with. There's the one where there's the kind of cups that open and drop confetti out, but I don't want that one.

I like the one where it's almost like a megaphone is shooting out confetti. That's the one I like. So I'm going to put that in there. I see one in our Discord, which you know the Oh No guy? Uh-huh. Oh No, where that's coming out of a ta-da.

Out of a ta-da. Oh, yeah, that's pretty good. Which is really good. And that's our little run through emojis for World Emoji Day. I will say, now I'll tell a little story, which is I had an idea. Because in many of the Slacks that I'm in and some discords the uh there are two custom emoji that we use all the time one is a picture of tony cindylar um our friend who did the the gming our role-playing game member special last couple years yep um and and a long long long

long time ago uh tony would always audibly say when you made a reference he would say reference acknowledged which i always thought was very you know it's very funny because it's like you know you're fishing for somebody to acknowledge your reference and he just goes out and says it in a uh kind of a passive aggressive way it's great if you if you've heard people on podcasts say reference acknowledged that is a meme that that came from tony it's basically from tony yeah so there's a picture tony's icon was this picture of tony taken by dan moran um ages ago ages ago and we made that the reference acknowledge emoji and that that just sort of spread so that like in other chats other places where people don't even know tony they're like why is this the reference acknowledge emoji

as well it's tony cindylar I had this thought, and then we also have a Skeletor emoji, which is based on art that somebody else did. And we paid him a royalty for the t-shirts and stuff like that. And I thought, you know what? I could commission those as emoji. And I thought, well, who does that? And I went to Jeremy Burge and I said, who's your artist? Do you have an artist you could recommend for Emojipedia that I could use to do some custom emoji work of my own just for fun? And he got me in touch with an artist who does a lot of the emoji work for Emojipedia. And I commissioned custom reference acknowledge and Skeletor emoji. And so the Skeletor emoji is just in the style of Apple's faces, except it's Skeletor emoji. The Skeletor emoji is just a

in the style of Apple's faces except it's Skeletor. And the reference acknowledge emoji is Tony Sindelar. A cartoon version of Tony Sindelar pointing his finger as if to say reference acknowledged. Where are these?

They are... Let me see if I can find them here do you have them they're they're on the incomparable slack but i can i can i'm gonna post them in the discord too i i wasn't planning on talking about it so now i've got to go to the incomparable there they are oh i've seen the i've seen the tony one i've seen the tony one i didn't know that's the new reference acknowledged uh that's good emoji so now you don't even need to know. Now you could say, if this was a Unicode, they would be like, nerd, nerd, acknowledging a reference, nerd pointing to the right. Nerd with tie pointing to the right. But it's a reference acknowledged.

And yeah, Skeletor. It's based on the, you know, it's like the skeleton from, or the skull from the emoji set, but with a hoodie and a little upside down heart for a nose. And it's a hooded skeleton emoji. Terrifying, but great. I love it. That's some emoji. This episode is brought to you by Sourcegraph. So you've just hired a great developer.

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which do you think will come first? Face ID on the Mac or Touch ID in the display of an iPhone? Oh, wow. That's a tough one because I think both could happen, but also both could never happen. You know, I'm going to say Touch ID in the iPhone display only because I feel like Face ID on the Mac obviously hasn't been a priority for Apple. Like they could do something like what Microsoft does with the Windows login feature.

And they obviously have decided that that's not good enough for them. And that if they're going to do Face ID, they're going to do it properly. And those laptops are so space constrained. They're so, you know, to fit a sensor in the thin laptop display shell is just, it's asking a lot. And they've all got, they've all got Touch ID and there's an external keyboard with Touch ID. They just did their display and it doesn't have Face ID in it. Like, I feel like they were just redesigned

the MacBook Pro. Like they've had ample opportunity to put Face ID on the Mac and they haven't done it. And so I'm going to take that as evidence that they don't think that they need to. And instead say, Touch ID in the display on the iPhone, is it redundant do they are they really proud of face id yes are there situations where touch id is better than than face id yes um will they get

there at some point i think yes so i i don't have proof that they dislike that idea and they seem to dislike the face id on mac idea so. So that's why I choose that. What do you think, Mike? I had to think about this because I feel like Face ID on the Mac would be easier to implement than Touch ID in display on the iPhone in a way that is really good for Apple, at least. I know lots of companies, lots and lots of companies. You know, I was thinking about this the other day.

Like I was thinking about the, you know, like the rumor of the whole punch and pill thing on the next iPhone, like instead of a notch. Right. And I was thinking like, you know, I was thinking Samsung phone, sorry, Android phones, including Samsung's don't have this problem.

I was like, oh yeah, because nobody's lent into the face identification the way that Apple has. Like a couple of device manufacturers tried it, but ultimately just, they just do like a visual scan. It's not using like IR, like they just use like a facial recognition kind of thing. And, but they really have all just kind of stuck with touch id outside of of uh iphone right and so all of these devices they don't have to worry about the notch or whatever really they could do the hole punches and because they just they really push on like having some kind of fingerprint scanning so you know like i was thinking like really apple's kind of like

they're they're focused on this technology they're just going to keep doubling down on it. And I really like it. Like, I actually, in general, prefer Face ID, especially since they added the Face ID with a mask on. It's like, again, has made me fall in love with Face ID all over again because I didn't have that frustration. But Apple doesn't have anything that they make with the technology of in-screen Touch ID. And I don't know just like how they would make that work for themselves or whatever.

But Face ID, they know how to do. So I kind of go back and forth on it. I think I would say Face ID on a Mac is more likely to come first than Touch ID display on an iPhone. Yeah, I mean, it's a tough question. Like I could imagine them bringing it to the power button

of the iPhone faster, but that's not the question. Yeah, I don't know. This is a tough one because I don't think I have a great expectation for either of them anytime soon. Like I said, both of them could happen,

but I don't think I would bet on either of them. I would say we're at least two years away from Face ID on a Mac. Yeah, I think it might be longer, unless there's a surprise and they have a high-end, maybe a high-end display that's rumored has a Face ID sensor in it. I could see that.

It's possible. But again, it's possible but again it's going to be so limited because they're not going to bring them to the laptops for a while i think unless they like i mean i don't know it's going to be hard unless there's something that we're not thinking of which it could be like what if they have they sneak a sensor into the bottom case of the laptop that shoots up at your face and can be thicker because it's at the back of the keyboard or something. Maybe. Maybe something like that. But the displays are so thin that getting a super thin

Face ID sensor up there is going to be tricky. Not that they couldn't do it, but it's going to be hard. Yeah, maybe it's not the laptops at first, right? Maybe. Something that's super weird to me, I don't know why this has happened. I'd forgotten about this but I saw it when the public beta came out I saw it in an MKBHD

video that Face ID on the iPhone now works in landscape oh does it? yeah I just tried it out to test it myself and it does I don't know why is it taken this time to do that?

It's very peculiar to me. The iPads have been doing it for years. Yeah. I don't know, not a priority? I guess. Or there was a particular software quirk that... I guess. I mean, it's possible that they reorganized the iOS,

the iPhone Face ID stuff when they did the mask detection and that, you know, right? It's possible that they did the first implementation on the iPhone face ID stuff when they did the mask detection and that, you know, right. It's possible that they did the first implementation on the iPhone, then did one for the iPad that needed to be broader, didn't bother rolling that back to the iPhone because who cared. And then the mask thing came up and they're like, all right, well, we should probably take the code from the iPad and then build on that so that we've, you know, so that they stay kind of in sync a little bit. So it could just be that simple.

But that's just, I'm guessing, I'm spitballing with that one. Eric wants to know, can continuity camera auto-detect an iPhone that's other than my primary iPhone? So for example, I could leave a spare older phone connected permanently to my display like I do with Camo. So can it detect more than one phone, basically? I believe so. I think any device that's close to your computer that is logged in with any iPhone that's running iOS 16 and is logged in with your Apple ID is available as a camera. Yeah. I don't know if I've had two running in, you know, proximity for me to test that.

I will test that at some point. But I've definitely used a camera that's not, you know, not my phone, but another one that's logged in. And that has worked. So I think it's just a continuity feature. If you had another phone, keep in mind there's some compatibility issues, right? It can't be an old iPhone. It's gotta be, for some of the features,

it's like iPhone 11 and later. For some of them, it's like XR and later. Like there's some compatibility issues with continuity camera on the iPhone. But if you do have a capable one and it's just hanging out by your desk being used as a camera, sure, you should be able to do that, no problem.

David asks, now that the M2 has finally arrived, how long do you think we'll need to wait to see M2 chips in any of the other five products that Apple currently ships with the M1? so i will just note uh mark german said over the weekend that he expects m2 pro and max chips in the uh to start appearing in macbook pros sometime between the fall of 2022 and the spring of 2023 so what i want to say is in the in less than a year they'll all just be updated to m2 however mark german suggests that they're not going to bother updating a bunch of them to m2 like the imac i don't get it like i don't get it i don't get why they wouldn't update to the m2 it surprises me that they they don't have this thing set up so that they can just flip over to the m2 on these systems one at a time and as the m1 and maybe it's an issue of

like the M1 is becomes cheaper to produce and it's it's still as we've talked about earlier such a leap from Intel that you can get away with keeping the M1s around for quite a while and it's still a big update from any previous Mac but I know that Apple didn't used to do this you know quite as often with these updates, but like they, they got the M2 now you would think that they would be motivated to just roll that M2 out into all those other systems, um, and upgrade them. But, you know, maybe the price is such a consideration at this point that it's just easier to leave them there. So I think, uh, according to Mark Gurman, David, we'll'll we'll have to wait forever because some of

those products are not ever going to get an m2 they're going to go to m3 instead and they're just going to skip m2 i think that's weird but that's what mark german sort of thinks is going to happen i reckon if they do more it'll take like 18 months i reckon 18 months is going to be the kind of yeah but i mean like again Mark Gurman just came out and said the next iMac will be an M3. So what is that about, right? I don't know. So I don't know.

I don't know. I think some of them will get M2, but I suspect maybe that they're going to take them along as needed. So, like, the Mac Mini is rumored to get an update, but the Mac Mini rumor is that they're going to get an M2 in there,

but also have an M2 Pro option, so that that makes it a more of a more of an upgrade than just from m1 to m2 so maybe the 13 inch macbook pro will be an outlier again in that it's identical to its predecessor except for they swapped in the new chip but i kind of assumed that they would do that to most models and just update them in place. Todd asks, if you record uncompressed audio, do you use WAV, so W-A-V, or AIFF, which is Apple something, something, lossless? What is that? Apple something file format? Audio interchange file format, actually, is I think what it is. By the way, WAV and AIFF are actually identical. They're just Bitstream audio.

They're uncompressed audio. The difference is the headers. So they are no different. I didn't know that. It is, yeah. After the headers that tell you what's in it, it's basically the same file. I mostly use WAV because one of the editors that I use uses a a Mac and one of the editors I use uses a PC. And so I just find it easier to do Wave because nobody looks at a Wave and goes, huh?

And AIFF, sometimes people go, huh? Also AIFF, you have this question of is it.aiff or.aif? And Wave is just Wave and everybody knows it and it's fine. So I save everything as a Wave. I do Wave too because for the same reason, it's just the... I mean, I started recording uncompressed because old Upgradians will remember

when Mike used to use a Trashcan Mac Pro, and it would sometimes completely lock up during recording, and the only way for me to be able to use my computer again was to power it down forcibly. Right, good times. Which, if I was recording in an MP3 or something like that, I would lose the audio, because the way that an MP3 kind of works is like

the file is completed when you stop recording and a non-securely completed, I'm simplifying this massively, but if an MP3 file cuts off before you press stop on the recorder and it saves it, it's mostly unusable. Like most of the time you've lost the audio. So I started recording in Wave because it's uncompressed. Whatever's being written to the file is just where the file will end if power cut, for example. Or there's an error.

So yeah, when we were using Call Recorder, using QuickTime, it needed to finalize the recording where it was a complete loss. And it's like unacceptable. So record to WAV. It didn't need that when we did it with WAV. Yeah, so if you pull the plug, it just, yeah, the recording stopped, obviously, because you pulled the plug on your computer. But every single sample is in the file. So yeah. The second part of this question was compressed lossless format.

In the end, disk space isn't an issue for us. File transfer time isn't really an issue for us. These are big files, but they're not enormous and our internet's fast enough. And personally, same thing, right? Which is I'd rather keep it as simple as possible of reading what's the waveform off the microphone or the interface and putting it on the disc as quickly as possible. A compressed format, all it gets me is more CPU use of my computer, more chances for it to do something bad. And yeah, it's a smaller file, but I don't need it to be a smaller file. If I wanted the archive to be smaller, I will compress it into a flack or something. And I have a script that Marco Arment actually wrote and gave me a billion years ago

that will automatically sort of flack compress everything or decompress it in a logic project. And I use that with a Hazel script. It looks at all my old logic projects and just flattens all that stuff down into flack where it's going to save a lot of space. But when I'm working on it, I don't want to deal with any of that so it's just straight up wave yeah i um i record everything in wave and basically just have a hazel script hazel from noodle soft it's a really great application that just it just bins the old files from that audio the file where i have all my audio Hydrant recordings saved. Because they're about between 300 and 600 megabytes, those WAV files. So I don't want them building up forever,

just the calls or whatever, the actual recordings of the calls before I do any processing to the audio. I just have it go in and just clear those out for me. Last question today comes from Brant who asks, if you could choose any color you want for the new MacBook Air that doesn't exist currently, which one would you want the most? I was thinking about this.

I am caught between saying, I'd probably say blue. Okay. But orange would be just fine with me. I would choose blue or orange. That's sort of my, that's where I am in my life right now is can I get in blue or orange? Well, then that's what I would like it in. Orange would be what I would want. That would be the color I would want.

It would be orange. Although I would be tempted to get it in yellow to match my iMac. Yeah, sure. So I would say either orange or yellow. That's a cool laptop. I'm just trying to imagine that thing in blue and it would look so good. But I agree with the theory espoused on several podcasts last week

that they got time. Gruber wrote that in his review too. It's like, this is a brand new design. They got time to do iterations where they add different colors because this design will be with us probably for many years to come. All right, if you would like to send in a question for us to answer on the show, because this design will be with us probably for many years to come. Yep.

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wonderfully talented hosts at Relay.FM slash shows. we'll be back next week with a pre-recorded episode just so if there's any news we're summer of fun in it and we're pre-recording an episode with special guests with special guests but special guests you know it's not we're not no announcing some like we're not we haven't got like the johnny ive special or whatever we're diving back in classic upgrade fashion we're diving back into the verticals we're gonna have three experts on who you know who y'all know and uh we're gonna talk about three different sort of vertical categories for segments with each of them as part of the summer of fun it'll be fun so that will be next week's episode so if there's any big

news it will come the week after. So that's what we're going to have to do. Okay. Okay. We're all deal. Everyone. Okay. Meet back here again next week.

You'll be here. You'll hear us. We won't actually be here. And then we'll meet back here again in two weeks and we will be here. Yeah. Until next time. That's how time works. Say goodbye,

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