Upgrade - 427: He Renounced Lederhosen

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

It's pretty late in the game, but Stage Manager on iPadOS keeps changing--most lately adding support for older iPad Pros while temporarily dropping support for external displays. What's going on, and where does it go from here? Meanwhile, Apple execs take a European tour, allowing us to marvel at Eddy Cue's energy and wonder at the surprising company Tim keeps.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode 427 today's show is brought to you by squarespace memberful and clear my mac x my name is mike hurley and i'm joined by jason snell hi jason snell hi mike hurley how does it feel to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for St. Jude? Very good. Actually, just before we started the show today, we closed our fundraising campaign. A lot has happened in the last week, and we passed $706,000, meaning that this year was the most money we've ever raised in a year for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Thank you so much to everybody that participated in the campaign this year. But raised in a year for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Thank you so much to everybody that participated in the campaign this year.

But I have a Hashtags Now talk question for you. All right. It comes from Tony, and Tony wants to know, Jason, if you watched Welcome to Wrexham? I assume that I already talked about this somewhere, but maybe not here. Yes.

Yes, it's great. We haven't spoken about it because I'm loving it, and I would have remembered having this conversation with you. That's true. We definitely haven't spoken about it. Yeah'm loving it and i would have remembered having this conversation with you that's true we definitely haven't spoken about it yeah it's it's good in fact i had a friend who is interested in soccer who said you know i isn't really just like those guys i'm like it's not just those guys right it's it's also about the the town all those fans who are so concerned they're like oh these famous people bought our soccer team. Are they going to ruin it?

And how much it means to them. And that makes it, yeah. Yeah, I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, like my, I was talking to my brother about it. My brother's a big football fan. And he has been pretty resistant to the entire idea of Rob McElhenney and Ryan Reynolds buying this football club. Because they're like oh this is setting a bad precedent and like that you know like that kind of idea and i just said to him

like just watch it because i think the heart that they bring to this idea is not something you would naturally have assumed but they genuinely seem to care and seem to put a lot of effort and work in to doing quote unquote the right thing and the show is just fantastic it's so good and as you say like yeah it is a documentary about two celebrities buying a football club but it's more than that and like some episodes they're barely in it like it's just following the kind of characters of the town that they have like established as interesting people in wrexham in wales and like understanding how ingrained uh it is it's really great like so it's in hulu in america outside it's on disney plus they put up the next day which i was really

happy about because genuinely like genuinely i think that ranalds and macklehenny made a deal with like disney to make sure this was done. Cause this is not consistent. Like, uh, that show, the bear, right.

That's on Hulu. We haven't got it yet. And it's like, at some point we're going to get it. Like a lot of these Hulu shows, it's like at some point it will come to Disney plus. And my assumption is just, they were very aware that this show needs to be in the United Kingdom immediately,

right? You can't make this show needs to be in the united kingdom immediately right you can't make this show about a welsh football team and then it just show up at some point right like like you know whatever so this is a little different in the sense that it's a it's an fx show so it's on it's on cable and then it goes to hulu yeah Yeah. And so they've obviously, yeah, they got the rights set up so that they would be able to stream it immediately in the UK and elsewhere, presumably on Disney+. Yeah, it's a really well done show. And I get your brothers like,

oh boy, like this is not great. Like I get it, but watching Welcome to Wrexham, it makes it, at least it makes it seem very much like that was a team that was dying right like it was falling into decay yeah and would be would either be irrelevant uh or gone and so there's this i think it's a fascinating question which is well if a couple of a couple of uh couple of Hollywood types come in and buy your team and say they want to put their money in it and make it better, is that good? Because as in the episode I watched last night, which is the episode where they actually finally come to Wrexham, because it's episode eight before they show up in Wrexham. That's a great episode.

up and wrecks them that's a great episode they obviously care about not ruining it and yet a line that comes back time and again is change is inevitable and this is i think fascinating on a much broader scale which is this argument because i've seen this in business and stuff that i've done in my career like uh things I've reported on, things that I've done myself. One of the common things you get is, why can't it just stay the way it is? And the problem with that is, it's like, you're going to make it change. I want to keep it the way it is. And I understand that sentiment. That's a very human sentiment. But the truth is, things change, right? It's not a choice between the steady state that will go on forever and change, right? It's a choice between letting it change on its own or doing something to change it in a different way. it in a different way. And I think people get caught up in the, like, these guys are going to come in here and ruin it. And their point, which they're gently trying to get across, is it's going to change regardless, right? Like, the future of this football club is not what it is today or what it was five years ago. Like, it's headed in one direction or another, and we get to choose a

different direction for it. But if you leave it alone and it's just sort of neglected like it had been for years, that also leads to change, right? It is not in a steady state. And I think that's really interesting on a larger picture that it's not you're choosing between these guys coming in and everything being fine without them, right? You're choosing between these guys coming in and doing question mark who knows what and what happens if they don't come in yeah and and i think something that they talk about a bunch is like a lot of the change everyone will be happy with if the team's winning right like make a bunch of change and do whatever you need to do but if it ends up resulting on like in rexham getting promoted moving forward and

moving through the football leagues like that's the good kind of change like do what's needed there so yeah it's really interesting show i've i'm a big fan of those guys anyway so like i was really excited about it um and i've loved it and yeah it's been fascinating to see like why they did this and why they're doing it. It's really cool. I like it. Recommended. Yep. If you would like to send in a question for us to open an episode of Upgrade,

just send out a tweet with the hashtag SnellTalk. Use question mark SnellTalk in the RelayFM members Discord. This was some follow-out, Jason. I want to give a shout-out to Shelly Brisbane. Shelly was on an earlier episode of the show this year to give a state of accessibility on Apple's platforms, one of our verticals in the verticals extravaganza.

Shelly has a show called Parallel on RelayFM that's been on a bit of a season break and the show's back now and the episode that just published last week is focused on new updates to the web content accessibility guidelines,

which is a thing that I didn't even know existed. I'm going to go out on a limb and say many of our listeners who may be web developers maybe don't know that this exists. So go listen to this episode of Parallel if this is of an importance to you in your day job. Did you know that the web content accessibility guidelines, the WCAG, existed? I think I did, but I don't know what's in them. Oh, look at you. Okay, well, there you go. There's a spectrum of understanding

here. You can know it exists, but if you don't know what's in it, maybe that's still part of the problem. So, go and check out this recent episode of Parallel, and you can find out about that. Also, if you enjoy this show and you want more of it, you should subscribe to Upgrade Plus. You'll hear no ads and you'll get bonus content every week.

This week, Jason's told me that he has thoughts about the book After Steve. My library hold came in. Yay! This is a book that I love and I've been talking a lot about over the last few months while I was reading it.

And I am intrigued because Jason's told me he has, quote, thoughts about it. So maybe my heart's going to get broken. Friends, I did not love it. Okay. Well, if you want to hear what that's all about, go subscribe to Upgrade Plus at getupgradeplus.com.

Just some follow-up. Jason, Amazon put their Yankees game on the Yes Network. They did. They did. This is the Aaron Judge hitting home runs. People want to see it. Amazon bought the rights to what previously had been broadcast TV, actually, in the New York area. And so if you were in the New York area, this is so strange. I think we covered this in a previous episode, but just to be clear, if you're in the New York area, some of the games are on Amazon Prime Video, but only in the New Yes Network, which is the Yankee-owned cable channel that also is in that region where most of the games are. So that was one of those sort of like, we want to see it and we don't want to look at Amazon, which is weird because if you're a Yankee fan, you've had

a dozen more games on Amazon this year. You've had the whole season. I think this goes back to that idea that there are some people out there who are just so resistant to streaming that they are going to refuse it even if it's like their favorite team because this is not like... I find that very strange. Like what could motivate you more

than your favorite team putting 10 or 15 games a year on Amazon Prime Video? What could motivate you more than that to figure that out? And yet, people, I guess, complained, and Amazon just said, yeah, we'll put that game on the Yes Network. That's fine.

But Amazon owns 15% of the Yes Network. And also, it's like, unlike Apple TV+, Prime Video isn't free. Exactly. That is the big difference, right? It is that Apple TV+, Prime Video isn't free. Exactly. That is the big difference, right? It is that Apple TV+, isn't free, right? But the baseball games, at least this year, were free on Apple TV+. So it's a different kind of thing.

But again, what this controversy says, and I'll point out again, this is not free. It's cable TV. You got to pay for cable tv to see it so i think this plays right into the hands of the people who are the cable providers and channels that have deals with the cable providers including ultimately the money flows to the baseball team saying you know people are like oh we want it on cable and it's like okay cable is a pay service that you can get baseball games on there are others right apple? Apple TV, arguably, I know I said this last week, I'm going to say it again. Apple TV arguably has a bigger addressable

audience than cable because all you need is an internet connection and a device, basically like a web browser will do. And you, which, which again which again yes you have to pay for the internet too right like but it is people with devices and internet versus people who have paid for cable i don't know i think devices and internet's probably a bigger number than people who pay for cable tv at this point right and and if not it's probably in the ballpark of it. And so the only true free sports is stuff that goes over broadcast. And I haven't seen anybody step up and say, hey, everything should be on broadcast TV, right? That ship has sailed. So my point is other ships are also sailing now and they are streaming sports.

And that's just how it is. So tap to pay was a thing being rolled out for the iphone i think it started of a version of ios 16 this is the idea of no longer needing a card reader to take payments and there are a bunch of companies jumping on board square has now made it available with their platform so i think it was just a beta before but now it's available if you're a square customer so if you have one of the little card readers or whatever you can now if you have an iphone that has an nfc chip in it and it's supported of that version of ios um you'll be able to take payments from just from your device like device to card or device to device i think this is a pretty big deal especially for

square doing it i feel like there may be the or one of the market leaders in this technology and so now it's available if you are a square customer yeah so the idea here is that if you are like i don't know most of the during the pandemic especially most of the places at my local farmer's market now are doing you know are taking cards and they were because of during the pandemic, they're very much like, we can put this little card reader out on the edge and then you don't have to come close to us and it's contactless and all of that. But I also like the idea that, that even if you don't have a terminal or a little extension or whatever, maybe you're somebody who

is, uh, I'm trying to come up with some examples, but it's like anybody who does fee for service stuff and they've got their phone with them and they can say, just tap your card. Right. Instead of saying, I've got this square thing plugged in and now here it is and let me run it and all of that. Because I've, you know, I've seen that too. This is way easier than that. It's not maybe as nice as if you've got a setup with a kiosk, you know, a little thing at the end of your table or whatever. But so convenient to be able to say as a small business person to say, you know, just tap to pay. Yep. And it's done. I mean, so back in the day when I used to go to the Atlanta Pen Show with Brad

and he would have like a table and be selling products, right, from his company, Knock. And he would have to leave his phone with me if he went away because he only had one reader and he didn't want to sign in with the whole app and everything so it was like a whole thing because you had to like link them together but now in theory like everyone that is in a business could sign into the to the app like to the square app and you could just use your own phones to make it work like it feels like this is a little bit more flexible of a situation. Like, well, you'd see people like, have you got the reader? No, Mary's got the reader.

You have to go get the reader from Mary. It's like a whole thing. I know also this is, everybody outside of the U.S. is going to find this hilarious, but it really happens in the U.S., which is the plumber, the electrician, or whatever, comes to your house, and then they say, can you write me a check? Yeah, that's madness.

Well, it is. It is. And yet, what else are they supposed to do? Pack transfer. We'll send you a bill. Yeah, we don't do that here. We don't have that. Oh, okay.

Yeah, okay. Fair enough. Wire transfer, that would be like you'd just be burned at the stake for that. I'm sorry. You're like, no, out. Get out. I'm taking your house. All the plumbing is mine now.

Well, Venmo, I guess, right? That's kind of what I'm talking about when I say bank transfer. That idea of like a very simple person to person. I will say that that is also, although it's more common than it used to be, that has also struggled to gain acceptance with, I would say, especially an older audience. My point here is that I think that there's a case to be made that what will finally banish the check, please write me a check, says the plumber, from our world might be them realizing that they can just load an app on their phone and now they can accept that credit card right there yeah um right because their phone is just in their pocket they don't have that little dealie and now they don't even need it right all they need to do is have they can set up or have someone set up for them perhaps if they

don't uh if they aren't comfortable with that technology. And I'm not saying all plumbers are afraid of technology. I'm saying my plumber is afraid of technology. So this is the point. Maybe this will help banish. I'm optimistic about this because this feels like the kind of thing that really will get the whole write me a check thing out of the US finally. Jason, get your calendar ready. October 27th,

Apple's Q4 earnings call. My calendar is already ready, Mike. I am ready. And you know what it means? It also means that on Halloween, the spookiest episode of Upgrade will

feature spooky results. Maybe. They actually could be a fright. They could be? It could be a fright. We'll see. Or maybe they'll be a treat. That's our thing. That's going to be our thing, right?

Apple results, trick or treat. That's good. Yeah. Get ready. No rumor roundup this week. There wasn't a ton of compelling stuff. I do have a rumor follow-up for you, which is Mark Gurman and his Power On newsletter is doubling down, no October event. He's saying.

Izzy, Izzy, I want to parse Mark's words here, if I might. I would love you to do that. He says, these announcements may not come in the form of another flashy media event oh so he's hedging a bit more actually he's not may not may not he's hedging down and flashy media event right which i i think goes back to the conversation we had which is there's lots of ways to do product releases right like what's a flashy media event is he saying they'll put out a press release and not a video i mean maybe but i would

say why wouldn't you do a video at this point right like why wouldn't you do a video if you have anything worth talking about and i would argue maybe the macbook pro is worth talking about and new m2 processors are worth talking about. Last year they did this and it was what, a sub hour video that they put out? Like, why not do it that way? And you don't have to invite the media somewhere just because the last two events they've held have invited the media. You can absolutely do the product briefing thing with members of the media to release this stuff and review it. So I don't know what Mark's trying to say here, because he's hedging and he's also saying it's a flashy media event and, you know, is again,

is a 45 minute long video and some briefings with press, uh, media, a flashy media event or not. Um, so I think that I'm still going to remain skeptical of this. I think this is kind of Mark Gurman's, you know, more of a take and less of a report and that's fine, but I have yet to see anything tangible that suggests I, you know, and I'm fascinated by this too, right? Because that's the argument inside Apple is like, well, how do we roll these products out? And I would say you got a new iPad, you got new Mac laptops, the MacBook Pros

that are very popular and people care about. You've got new chips to boast about at least a little bit, assuming that they are impressive and you want to boast about them. You got that Mac Pro thing hanging out there. Maybe you do, you know, kind of pre-announce that too. Like why would you not do a video? Like what's the extra overhead? I know there's extra overhead to make a video, but like surely there's way more benefit to telling people next week, tune in, and then letting a whole lot of people watch an hour long commercial

than just putting out a press release and relying entirely on the press to mediate between you and your audience, right? The beauty of the Apple video announcement is people tune in and watch it. Whereas if you do a press release, everything's coming through reports and Apple doesn't get to control the story as much

as if it has the video that it produces itself. So I'm still skeptical. I want to believe that they're going to do a video, but we'll see. And that'll be a fascinating discussion just about what they announced and what they chose in terms of rolling it out. Yeah, I just, I don't know.

Like I agree with you, like if they did all of those things, right? That it could be like event worthy. But let's imagine if they didn't have the Mac Pro to show or whatever. And it is just like, hey, we have new M2 processors in our iPads and we have new M2 processors in our iPads and we have new M2 processors in our MacBooks,

it might not be really that exciting. I don't know. If it's literally nothing interesting, it's an M2 MacBook or M2 iPad Pro doesn't do anything interesting. And M2s of the Mac Mini and the macbook pro but they're otherwise not that interesting and if they either don't have anything interesting to say about the higher-end m2 chips or the truth is that the higher-end m2 chips aren't that impressive

it's better to do that as a press release right and just say we refreshed with the m2 it's better to do that as a press release, right? And just say, we refreshed with the M2. It's one more. Yay. And then move on with their lives. Yeah. Absolutely, they could do that. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the all-in-one platform for building your brand

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but i'm hoping in the not too distant future that we'll start to understand what that's going to be like and like i'm i'm really keen for that i think it's going to be a whole different way of using my new iPhone, right? Pretty keen. Big missing piece of the whole Dynamic Island story is going to come into focus at some point here. That's part of iOS, right? 16.1. But also, we have no version of iPadOS, in case you've not keep in score, in the 16 number,

right? At the moment, iPadOS goes to 15.7. And they delayed it seemingly because they wanted to spend some more time working on Stage Manager, which is still pretty buggy. But now, as of iPad OS 16.1 Beta 3, which came out late last week, Apple have enabled previous iPad Pro models that do not have an M1 chip to be able to use Stage Manager. So namely, the 2018 and 2019 12-inch iPad Pro and the 11-inch iPad Pro, which I saw recently. The 11-inch iPad Pro is now the current one, is the longest version of a product. Like, sorry,

it is the longest life of any iPad from like the current, like the age of the current model number. I need to find this. I saw this as a headline. You know, it's just one of those headlines. Like, oh, I'll throw that piece of information away for later on.

But I was like, man, they've been sitting on that thing for a while. I don't understand what that means because so okay this is from mac rumors the 2021 11 inch ipad pro has today become this is last week the longest lasting model of its kind ever on sale as of today the 2021 11 inch ipad pro is 513 days old making it one day older than the previous longest reigning So it's only of iPad Pros. That's probably not as exciting as a statistic. Hey, kids, always read the articles before you say them.

What about the M1? I mean, wasn't it released the same day as the M1? They were both M1s, right? The 11 and the 12.9. Did they not? I 11 and the 12.9. Did they not... I'm confused by that. I don't know, man. I'm just saying.

I don't know. I'm just regurgitating. The 11 is shipped before the 12.9, says Zach. Okay. So it's not a huge difference, but that was a pointless aside.

Congratulations. That was a pointless aside. The best cup of coffee in the world you did it how what is that from elf thank you but what they have done i mean the big thing here is they have enabled stage manager to work on these three models of ipad pro yes was a complaint people had four months ago yes yes this was the initial after the announcement in june there was a lot of detective work that people did because they were irate because they said

wait a second you're saying that the m1 enables uh the m1 and the ram or something enables stage manager but this older system has the same thing and so why would you not and and like there was a lot of like this doesn't really make sense. And I think the thought at the time was Apple obviously decided to draw the line here. Like they didn't want to go back. And I had heard that there were, you know, the chance that there were struggles

because they're doing the external display and up to eight and all these things. And like somebody at Apple made the call of like, look, let's just cut it at the M1. People who don't have an M1 iPad Pro are like, what are you doing? We bought these, you know, and the argument, which I think is a good one,

is we bought these overpowered pieces of hardware with the promise, and again, never buy hardware with the promise of upgrades later. Don't do it. But the idea that we all talked about at the time, right, which is like the hardware had so far outpaced the software. So here finally comes multi-window support. And they say, no, no, no.

Your hardware that was so advanced is now not advanced enough to do this feature. And so interesting pivot that obviously, you know, ought to be a fly on the wall inside Apple for this. Interesting pivot here where they have now decided to enable it on the older iPad Pro models and simultaneously hold off on the release of support for the external display on all iPads. So the non-M1 models will not be able to do external display support.

They'll only get to be able to use up to four apps at a time on the iPad's display. On the screen itself. And 16.1 has had external display support for the M1 models turned back off. Coming later this year. Because they are clearly focused on shipping Stage Manager, and so they've expanded the base of the on-screen Stage Manager,

and they're now going to try to fix the bugs and ship that out. So the good news is if you've got an iPad Pro from 18 and 19 and you want to use Stage Manager, you can. The bad news, I guess, is for everybody, external display Stage Manager is not going to happen for 16.1. It's going to come later. And that will still only be to M1, which is, you know, I'll just throw in there. I think this is a little bit curious, like, because they talk about the eight at a time.

time but but what they don't talk about is another design decision that they made that i don't like which is the inability to run an ipad on external display uh with the screen turned off right like you have to have you know how you can close a macbook and plug it into an external display and then it's only driving the one display well Well, you can't do that with an iPad. You have to have your iPad open somewhere with the screen on. And that's a decision Apple made, right? They made that decision to do it that way. And I would argue that maybe that leads to the fact that these other iPads can't support an external display because it's always said in the context of, oh, well, up to eight apps at once with an external display, like four and four. But I wonder if at the beginning of this process, they had said, yes, let's do a screen off mode if those older ones might have supported an external display, too. But they seem, again, to have come too far down this path. I still have hope that maybe an iOS, iPadOS 17, they'll do a proper kind of

lid closed iPad because I find it really distracting and extraneous to have the iPad screen and my big screen on at the same time. But in any way, in any event it is good news i will also say sorry to be the bearer of negativity in this good moment users of older ipad pros but i think stage manager is actually better on an external display and is a little less useful on an internal display especially the smaller one i'm not as down on stage manager as federico vatici is but it feels to me like it really works best when you've got lots of screen space like on an external display because i always find myself with two apps side by side in windows in stage manager thinking to myself how is this better than split view right like i'm using i'm actually using more pixels on chrome and backgrounds and and corners of windows and stuff

and if all i really want is the two things side by side and that's not always what i want but often that's what i want that's not actually better than split view at all and in fact if you turn off stage manager at that point they just just go into split view. So it's a weird feature. Like I'm glad it exists. I'm glad that external display support is going to exist at some point here, even though they pulled it from the betas. I'm glad that they're supporting older systems, but there is, and people can listen to last week's episode of connected if they want to hear some more of Federico talking about this because he spent the whole summer with it. It's buggy. I think I'm not as down on its premise as he is,

but it's got weird bugs and the weird bugs keep coming. At a moment where you'd expect to see it settling down and being shippable, as he pointed out, there's a weird bug where if you click on a window, then it can't hear your mouse clicks until the best part. My favorite part is until you move the mouse pointer, the pointer outside of the Windows boundary and then move it back in and then it'll hear your clicks.

You don't have to click outside. You just need to move the pointer outside and then move it back in. And then you can click. And it's like, well, wait a second. It's, it's almost October. Now it is October and we're getting new bugs in this thing. It's troubling. Like the, I think, I think all of us have this kind of like spider sense tingle happening

where we're like, this is not how this is supposed to go in terms of shipping this product so um you know i think the good news is i think it ships turned off i i agree with federico it might be wise for them to not even tout this feature when they roll it out and to have it like be there as a secret feature you can turn on but not promote it not suggest that anybody use it until they get it to the point where it's um it's in better shape i was talking about it's unconnectedly like you should say like federico was i don't i don't know if the if it's right to say like he doesn't believe in the premise is that it's it's the current like way that it works i think is a bigger issue for

him where he feels like he can't even properly use it because he's coming up against bugs constantly no but but he he would he would very obviously prefer a tiling system right he wants he he would prefer that it be split view plus right where which i i see the argument there i don't like tiling systems i don't like i like like on my mac i don't have every window not overlapping and all the way out spread out to the far corners right and the problem with the tiling system is something's got to be on the far edge because that's how tiling works i don't i don't actually like that i like freeform i get why some people like tiled windows there are lots of mac utilities that do tiled windows but um i will say that i i do sort of see his point sometimes like i said when

i've got the two i've done a lot of work to get two windows side by side in stage manager and all i'm doing is really replicating split view which i would just get if i turned stage manager off yeah but like my my feeling, is I'm not, I don't know if they're putting the right efforts into the right places with stage manager. Like I just, I'm not sure. You know, like I was talking about this and I think Steve Troughton Smith was tweeting about like maybe,

you know, I was positing the question as if this took a lot of work from them to make it work on the non-M1 iPads. I saw him saying something like they could just enable it. I wonder if there was a lot of optimization work needed. But all I feel like I can see is this is a feature which should have evolved in a lot of really positive ways

over the beta period. And there were some changes that have been good, but it kind of feels like, at least on the iPad, just the fundamental premise is a little flawed like you can't freely move the windows around right still and that is a great point the idea that all right first off they say okay we're not going to do tiling we're not going to do super split view we're not going to do that we're going to do freeform windows and you can resize them and you can drag them around on screen you're like all right all right okay so more like the mac great and then they say no no when we say freeform

we don't mean it we mean certain sizes and certain places you can drag them freely form within a set level of forms that's what you can do what's like well why what what are we doing here then like why wouldn't you just do tiling at that point it's like and over the summer what one of the things i've noticed is that they've been tweaking that a little bit where it's like slightly freer guys what what are you doing like what are what is going on here that you're, it just seems weird. Like, are you going to the point

where they're just going to be totally freeform at some point? You're just going to check that box and be like, all right, go to town, everybody. It's this weird middle where they're like, we want you to have control,

but not too much control. And at that point, like, I don't know, it either needs to be way smarter or it needs to just be freeform windows, right? Like, just embrace that. And I think that comes to the larger point, which maybe you were getting at there a little bit, too, which is, like, I'm not sure this is a feature that sprung from a vision about what the end point was. a vision about what the end point was. And this is my larger point. When you talk about like,

you'd expect there to be more progress over the summer. This is my larger point about stage manager, which is stage manager really feels like we're watching what usually happens behind the scenes happen in public, which is there. It feels to me like they're still figuring it out. And I don't mind that being done in public. I think it's kind of great because we are all able to give them feedback about it. But it is unusual for Apple because usually they go through all of this on the inside and then they spring something

where they're all kind of in alignment and they're like, yes, this is what we're going to do. And they spring that on as a WWDC. And maybe they thought that's what it was, a WWDC, but it became clear pretty rapidly that it wasn't and that there really wasn't kind of alignment and that the feedback was very strong. And again, credit to them for listening to the feedback. But here we are in this point now where it feels to me like, on the one hand, I kind of want this feature. On the other hand, this feature seems half baked.

It really just seems like they need to spend not weeks, right? But months on adjusting it. And that's, that's my greatest fear about stage manager is that whatever they ship in 16.1, they're going to say, well, that's what we shipped. And they're going to walk away from it for at least a year. And I, I, I think it's not at the point now where I, I would like them to spend the next year in 16.2 and 0.3 and

0.4 and 0.5 working on stage manager, because if they ship something that's kind of you know imperfect and then say well now we're going to go behind the curtain and do the rest of our work behind the curtain see you in a year or two um i think that's irresponsible because like i think it was in 16.1 beta 2 they added the ability that you could freely move an app horizontal but not vertically but only if there was an app larger behind it behind it yeah why is that the i don't get it i don't know it's so arbitrary well and and why okay you know on the iPhone, what Apple has told us is, hey, we know you like lock screen images and wallpaper. We're going to create a whole system for that. In Stage Manager, they're like, you know that wallpaper that you very carefully picked for yourself?

We're going to fuzz it in the background so it's unviewable while you're using stage manager in the foreground. Like why? Why would you do that? Because that makes it feel like you're using a system on top of a system, which shouldn't be how this feels. I know that's what it kind of like is, the way they make you enable it. But like,

I feel like it shouldn't be like I'm enabling stage manager mode. It should just be more, I choose to use my windows this way, right? Like that's like, I feel like that that blurring is kind of emblematic of an overall thing about stage manager, right? Where they're like, oh, this is a mode,

not like, hey, we're rethinking the way that this is supposed to work. Because correct me if I'm wrong, it doesn't blur your background on macOS. No. Right. Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, it doesn't blow your background on macOS. No. Right. Yeah, I don't. I mean, on macOS,

you can now actually choose to show the documents in the finder too. So like, it's, on macOS, they've said, oh yes, your backdrop is your backdrop. And yet on iOS, they're like, no, no, when you're using Stage Manager, although we'll give you a hint

of what's back on your backdrop that you selected yourself, you can't see it. It's not legible. I'm like, I don't understand. Like people like that. Why would you do that?

And it's interesting that you mentioned the mode. I do think, I mean, we'll see how this goes, but like I have, I have occasionally used stage manager on the iPad with apps maximized. And what I found is it kind of feels like what they want the iPad ultimately to feel like, which, cause you can use it with all apps

maximized, but stage manager turned on and all, all that really changes is that the animations are different, but otherwise it feels like the iPad, right? Cause all of the, all of the windows are full screen, or at least you could switch between ones that are full screen and the ones that have two windows floating and all of that different stages. And I think, yeah, this is almost a vision of where the iPad is going, which is everything's full screen by default stage managers always on. And then you can pop things out of full screen and do stuff with them but what's interesting is right like that's kind of way in the background because the because the work hasn't been done up up in the up in the foreground yet to make it worth it and

so instead stage manager remains a mode that is you know i don't know i i i'm fascinated by it because i'm i'm like federico one of those people who's been asking for this kind of feature for a long time now and what i don't feel like is that i've got a clear vision of like apple knows why all of these decisions have been made it feels much more like like let's change this are you happy now let's change this are you happy now and that's the i mean i I appreciate listening to the users, but I would also like a very clear and consistent vision about why this feature exists and how it's supposed to be used.

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We need to talk about this. And it was a picture of Tim Cook and Eddie Q at Oktoberfest in Munich. Right? And, you know, we were like, oh yeah, that's like a funny photo. Like, it's like an interesting thing. Why are they there? Why are they doing this? And, you know know we were like as i oh yeah that's that's like a funny photo like it's like an interesting thing why are they there why are they doing this and you know we're like oh we should talk about like the wild european tour that tim cook seems to be on right now so today

i sat down and went through tim's tweets and have excellent uh and i'm now going to give you a blow by blow of everything tim cook has been doing over the last week based upon his twitter account right it is amazing i should say he started in new york so he was already flying east he he went to apple fifth avenue apple upper west side and apple upper east side that's just he was just getting making his way he didn't want to get started tim doesn't want to do a 12 hour flight, right? So he's going to do like a five hour flight and then a six hour flight or whatever. You know, he's going to break it up.

He's a big, powerful executive. All right. So begins in London with some store visits. Yes. This is the second time that I've decided not to go to an Apple store on a day. And then Tim Cook has appeared in that Apple store later on that day.

I did have that time where I was in the store with Johnny Ive though, so that would do for me more than enough. All right. Because I don't think I could do the whole selfie thing anyway. I don't think I would be able to pluck up the courage. And it's a zoo.

It's a zoo. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I just couldn't, I wouldn't be able to do that. I would be way too embarrassed and I also don't want to try and muscle my way in the swarm of people. Right. Uh, he then, uh, announced a new partnership with the South bank center in London, which as part of their racial

equity and justice initiative. So spreading it out from outside of the U S it's there now. Quote tweeting another picture of him in london then he showed off the first images of the new london campus built inside of bad city power station which looks stunning it does it looks so beautiful i hope i would get to see that at some point in my life but i don't know it seems like actually weirdly, I feel more likely for me to see the inside of Apple Park than whatever they're going to call the Apple London office. I am sure that there's somebody who listens

who's going to end up working at the Apple office at Battersea. They're not going to let me in. They're going to let you in. I don't know. I don't know i don't know we'll see i i might have to do a canary in the coal mine kind of thing there right because maybe i wouldn't be able to say i was in so we can come back on later on but the images are beautiful there was then a i think really weird ted lasso photo shoot where they do like a staged image of them in like the executive box let's break it down uh so the

tweet is go afc richmond in this panel we have actors from ted lasso and people from apple yeah so like lisa jackson is there with tim and uh and uh bryant's in that image i think yeah yep she's she's there and i think there's an apple uh pr person there too and then also we have one two three four five five members of the ted lasso team uh including jason sudeikis is right behind tim cook. But I want to focus on the right side of this image. Okay. Where Hannah Waddingham is pumping fists and shouting. And next to her, Eddie Cue is pointing with his finger and shouting. And I just want to say, I saw some people on the internet are like,

okay, well, you can tell who the actors are and who the not actors are. You really can. Like, you really can. Except for Eddie Cue, but you really can, right? Except, friends, for Hannah Waddingham and Eddie Cue, who are sharing the exact same energy. It's amazing well this but this is the thing i feel like hannah waddingham is doing i think the best job of like trying to portray what should be portrayed in this moment which is like yes they're supposed to have scored but eddie q similar energy that he's bringing to the whole situation i can also do that yes yeah tim Yeah. Tim Cook has no acting ability.

I think we've seen this in a few different ways. I don't think it's his thing. And look, this isn't a criticism. He's not trying to be an actor. But at the same time, I don't know why they decided to do this. Like, there's so many other ways they could have done this. Because obviously there's a photographer down below saying, all right, we're going to score a goal. Goal!

Yay! Click, click, click, click, click. Right? That's what they're doing there. Why couldn't they have just had a picture of them all together you know it's also like there's so many things that i'm intrigued about this like why did they do this this is like like breaking down a renaissance painting isn't it like what is this what is this about what like i mean i have other questions of like why is deirdre o'brien

lisa jackson there like but not all the time why is it i mean i think i can kind of guess why eddie q is there right yes right but like i but then it's like why then it's like eddie q in another image but nobody it's like all these things i don't understand but the bigger thing is like what is going on with ted lasso right like this is the thing that's being spoken about like it, it's late, potentially over budget, and like, is that why Tim Cook and Eddie Q went to go meet with Jason Sudeikis? And like, right, like, what's going on here, you know? Or is it just like a meet and greet, but maybe they had a little conversation? I think, well, I think they were, they were, they're still in London shooting, and they're planning this thing, so that became a you know you're gonna come and you know we're gonna we're gonna do some stuff with

tim and eddie yeah it's uh it's something anyway i just i love that i got more i have more to say about eddie q yeah i'm just gonna leave it there for now uh when we get to the later hosen i have more to say about eddie q but just eddie q h Hannah Waddingham, they are feeling the same vibe in that shot. I love it. So we're still in London at this point. Tim meets some female founders, like as part of a founders group in London. He visits with musicians at Apple's Platoon Studios. And I was like, what is that?

I Googled it. They bought a company in like 2018, 2019 called Platoon Studios and I was like, what is that? I googled it. They bought a company in like 2018, 2019 called Platoon Studios and it's about like music creation and distribution. Seemed like maybe they just wanted to have some studios. And there's a Nandi Bushell who people might know from, she's the drummer who

did those YouTube videos with Dave Grohl. And so there's a picture of Tim Cook and Lisa Jackson with her at the drum kit. We then go off to Berlin. Off to, yes, to Berlin. For some store visits at first. It always starts with store visits.

I wonder if the retail staff know this is going to happen. I bet the manager knows. I think everybody knows. You reckon everybody knows? I think everybody knows. It's like Tim's going to be here on this day. Like, you can't be here. Right?

Like, not you, Gunter. No. Or maybe just like all of a sudden, for some reason, you're told like, don't worry about coming to work today. Why? Don't worry.

You're still paid, but just don't come in. Just don't come in. Just don't come in. Then a beer with ADQ at Oktoberfest. Oh, okay. Yes. And a tweet. Nice tweet.

She does my vida. Am I, what is it? Gemellig Zamsitzen. So happy to be back in Oktoberfest post. Okay. Alright, they got the giant beers. Tim and Eddie on the left side. Eddie's got the lederhosen on.

Tim's got his khakis on. This is Tim. Yes, this is the great part, right? Like, everybody else is fully decked out. He has decided, lederhosen is the great part, right? Like everybody else is fully decked out. He has decided, Lederhosen, not for me, right? But he's just got,

he's got some regular jackets on. Yeah, just, yeah. He's just decided, he's put the uniform on on the top, but on the bottom, he's like, I'm not wearing that. I'm just going to wear my khakis. No one will notice.

Well, we noticed him. I see. It gets cold. They got their beers. I've done it a couple of years ago. Yeah i think it's 2019 october fest i got i did the whole thing well i didn't get the jacket but i had the whole lederhosen thing and i had a shirt and all that and i was ready to go and it was freezing but i had the long socks which you also do so really it's just the knees that get cold yeah um. I just want to say again, Eddie Q.

Like Tim, Tim's got his smile of like, smile for the camera, Tim. The people next to him are looking off away from the camera, as is Eddie Q. I think that's interesting that Tim is super locked in to the camera, but there's somebody to the left of the photographer who clearly is also taking a picture. Well, I think there's a bunch of pictures and the one that Tim chose to publish is the one where he's looking at the left of the camera of the photographer who clearly is also taking a picture. Well, I think there's a bunch of pictures.

And the one that Tim chose to publish is the one where he's looking at the camera, right? Yeah. Tim doesn't care if Eddie Q is looking. But let me let me boil this down. Look at Eddie Q. Eddie Q is never not having fun, isn't he? Like Eddie is having Eddie is having a good time. And I don't know if Eddie drank that whole beer,

but I'm going to wager that Eddie drank more of it than Tim did. Those beers, hard to hold. Huge glasses, really heavy. Huge, very heavy. Oh, no, I get it. I get it. But, like, I don't know. Eddie Q, he's having a good time.

That's all I'm saying. I love Eddie's energy on this trip in these photos. It's amazing. I just don't understand how this came to be. I don't know why this came to be. And also, who are those other people? Who are they? Do you know who they are?

Does anybody know who they are? Like, they must be important, right? And like, maybe someone's going to tell me like, hey, Mike, that's the mayor of like Munich. Of Munich, yeah. It's like, okay, but I don't know this. And Tim has not made it a thing. Marshall's like okay like but i don't know this and tim has not made it a thing i don't know yeah mentioned who they are yeah yeah she's the marshal of bavaria and he is the mayor of munich let's say okay sure i like that um i tim is having a good time mike i i i'm i'm just gonna make a proposal now we may this may become so

legendary that we may have to follow in tim's and eddie's shoes we may have to recreate this ourselves i would 100 do this i'll fly to london we'll go uh we'll go to various apple stores and then yeah off to oktoberfest where where you will put on the lederhosen and i will wear khakis i feel like i mean i don't know tim cook personally and like i learned some information about him from the after steve book potentially we'll talk about that in upgrade plus go to get up your plus.com this doesn't necessarily feel like his vibe like i don't really know i can't i'm just like fast why is he there you know so the guy next to him we've just got gotten this in from our experts in in the uh in the in the discord uh including a friend of the show saskia he's a german tv personality kai flama well that's

only made it worse for me. Right? Because that doesn't make any sense. Were they doing an interview? He's literally a game show host. Game show host. Oh, why then? Huh. I don't know.

All right. Well, that's only deepened the curiosity for me. Do they know each other? Are they trying to do some German TV content? Maybe so. maybe that's it maybe maybe there's a segment where he maybe that's why eddie's there it's we took them no i was thinking maybe it's we took uh he's doing a tv uh bit where it's like tim tim cook visited octoberfest and uh we went along with him or something. Yeah, maybe it's like a little interview kind of thing. Who knows? Off the next day, presumably, in the morning.

So Eddie's not there because he's sleeping it off. To an anechoic chamber where I believe a new member of the road trip is revealed. Because I think that's Johnny Srucci. That is Johnny Srucci. So whether he was there all along and said, don't take pictures. Did they just come and go? I will catch up with you in Munich.

Well, yeah, I'll catch up with you in Munich, Tim. And he's bright-eyed and bushy-tailed and Tim's like, look, I was at Oktoberfest yesterday. If you ever had beers of eddie because like i have beers of eddie right you know what that means well yeah so they're in an anechoic chamber which i've been in in cupertino actually during antenna gate which was really fun it's the kind of place where you walk you step into it you don't realize that there's like noises and echoes

and things everywhere in your life until you step into an anechoic chamber and it's as if you have lost your hearing because suddenly it is creepily silent. Maybe Tim had a hangover and could only exist inside of an anechoic chamber that day. It's the only... This is where Eddie slept last night. Ha ha ha. Oh, it's amazing.

All right. All right, so this is some cellular testing they were doing there he then went on to meet some munich-based photographers okay uh then did a meet and greet at biome fc biomunich where they gave him a replica shirt yeah they had the surfing the the the urban surfing right like that was that was that part, which is interesting. People surfing at an urban surfing something in Munich. And yes, then off to FC Bayern and Apple Rosenstrasse, our first show, our first store in Germany, he says. So yeah, off for more stores.

Then he heads off to naples hold now now hold on before we get there i have another update um from from uh emma who has sent a link to apple boss tim cook celebrates with kai flama at the oktoberfest and suddenly tweets in bavarian story tim cook uses visiting visit to germany for a detour to the oktoberfest and suddenly tweets in Bavarian story, Tim Cook uses visit to Germany for a detour to the Oktoberfest. Is there anything in there or is this just German clickbait? What is going on? Tim is here. They're upset that he renounced lederhosen.

The television presenter had apparently made an appointment with the CEO beforehand. He posted several pictures and videos of it on his Instagram account. But yes, Tim renounced lederhosen. ceo beforehand he posted several pictures and videos of it on his instagram account but he yes tim renounced uh lederhosen and and they say he appeared in jeans those are khakis those aren't jeans maybe that's a translation issue yeah i will say that this is one of those things where i'm like really thankful for web translation inside of safari safari still doesn't support as many languages as chrome does but i'm happy they added this feature so because now we can it doesn't support as many languages as Chrome does, but I'm happy they added this feature. So, because now we can, it doesn't really,

basically this is an article just referencing the fact that this happened. It doesn't really seem to give us any more context as to why it happened, which is the real holy grail. Other than that the TV presenter also put it on his Instagram. Okay, off to Naples. Which I'm not surprised. Yeah, off to Naples which i'm not surprised yeah off to naples meet some artists that are using technology for sculpture i always wonder when i see these things

you see a picture and like a guy is explaining something to tim cook how long do you think they spend together oh i don't know 15 minutes it's gotta's got to be, right? Like a very quick drop in, drop out. Yeah. He then moves on to speaking at the Naples Developer Academy. So Apple set up a bunch of these developer academies around the world. I think Italy was one of the first ones. And he did a meet and greet and looks like he did some kind of panel or conversation. Yep.

There? Yep. Tim is then given an honorary diploma at the university of naples federico ii it just continues it's like um one day i'm getting a beer okay now i'm in a chamber now i have a diploma so so i i i sent you that note about the ted lasso thing right and then the oktoberfest thing happened i thought thought, well, this is amazing. And then it was like, but wait for it, wait for it.

Boom. Honorary degree from Federico the second, uh, where he's got his sort of robes on and the, the, the man presenting it to him has sort of like a fur around his neck and a hat and robes. And there's a giant oversized novelty diploma for uh for an honorary degree

in innovation and international management what amazing uh tim then met with some paralympians and is holding a fencing sword i don't i know they've got a better name than that foil foil and i do wonder is he holding it for the paralympian or do you think they did a bit of fencing i think they said tim here is a foil and he said great and that was it for the photo op right let's make it look like that you just engaged in a in some fencing he then met with some photographers in milan did a store visit in Milan, met with a Milan-based app developer called Bending Spoons,

then spent some time with the Apple team in Milan. It was like a photo op. And then it came out today that he also had a private audience with the Pope while he was in Italy. What? Yeah.

There were some images of this released today. This was not something that he tweeted about, which is interesting. No Pope selfie. But this was reported on via Reuters that Tim had a private meeting with the Pope. I mean, there are pictures of Tim shaking the hands of Pope Francis and Tim sitting upright

in a probably uncomfortable chair speaking to the Pope. This isn't the first time Tim Cook has visited Pope Francis. Is that true? This is what 9to5Mac says. Previously paid a visit to the Vatican in January of 2016. But that was a private meeting with no photo op for that one.

I see. I've said this a bunch on this show before, but like Tim Cook is as powerful as a world leader. Yes. And like these things, when he does these things, this is what world leaders do. Like, you know, like they go and they do these tours and like they do all these meet and greets and like these photo ops right like what role what role does eddie q serve in this parallel of world leader what's what's eddie doing i mean he's you know he's out there having a good time you know secretary of commerce making deals, he's, you know, he's out there having a good time, you know? He's the Secretary of Commerce or something. Making deals.

Maybe he's over there and he's like shooing Sudeikis along. You know, come on, Jason. Let's finish this off, shall we please? Could be. Don't make Tim angry. That's Tim Cook's tour of Europe for now. I don't know he's done. I'm assuming he's done.

Yeah. I mean, he's been silent since the Pope. Maybe the Pope said too many photos on Twitter. Like, sorry, Pope. Sorry. Give it a rest, will you? Padre. Again, I just, you know, I'm following along in real time.

And each photo is more, well, like a lot of them are standard photos, right? You're like, oh, yes, we went to a store. Great. And here's some, we met with some developers. And here's an inspiring person we met with i'm like okay and now here now we're holding giant beers with eddie q at octoberfest what and so it's like okay now we're in italy i'm like oh geez how long is this tour gonna go i feel for the guy and then and they're like yeah we met with these people and these people. Oh, and then I got an honorary degree from the guy with the hat and the fur. I'm like, what?

So just very entertaining. So I hope you've enjoyed this retrospective tour of Europe with Tim Cook. It's amazing. Maybe there's an Apple TV Plus series in this. It's Tim Cook searching for the pole. Tim travels. Tim travels. Tim travels. It's like, maybe like

cooking up or something, right? Like, right? European cooking. Yeah. There's something there, right? Like, it's like cooking something. Tim and Eddie do Europe? That'll work for me. This episode

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It is time for some hashtag ask upgrade questions. Today we start with Cameron who says, Jason, was there a testing mode for the iPhone satellite communication feature made available to reviewers? No, but this is not, because the feature's not out yet. I wonder, though, if when they turn this feature on

in a software update, if there will be something for us to test it as reviewers, right? Something that's allowed so that we're not, you know, doing fake emergency reports. So my guess is that that may happen, that they may actually contact a bunch of reviewers and say, here is how you can test this. Maybe there's like a period of time where like they know that any of these

calls aren't real or whatever. Right. Or there's a certain thing we can do to, you know, to do a test that is not there for the regular, for regular people. But we can, we know where it is. We know what to tap or whatever. I think they would be smart to do that. Right. When they're rolling it out. Basically, that's another story saying Apple activates this. And so as a part of that, they get people also because you don't want everybody, but you certainly don't want the people who are trying to report on this to clog actual emergency lines.

So we'll see, but not yet, right? Because that feature is not in there yet. Right. Yeah. You know, I didn't actually know it wasn't available yet. I mean, because this is not available in the UK at all for the foreseeable future, right? Like, we don't know how long it will be. I kind of just, like, had written it off in my mind,

like I hadn't really thought about the feature. Because I know that the car crash detection, that is available now. But, so, like, I kind of just put those two things together in my brain, but obviously it's not available now. Okay. I reckon they will do it, give you some kind of way to do it. Because it feels like that's an important part of talking about the feature. You've got to be able to try and use it.

Whether they know, like, is every reviewer going to get it, or are they going to go to, like, five reviewers and say, here's a thing you can do? I don't know that part, but it would be smart if they did. Yeah, and that might be just uh like a complexity thing right that they might have to just pick a few people and you know so they're not making i don't know because it feels like it might be who knows anyway sean asks jason can you help me choose between the kobo clara hd and the kobo clara 2 well these are ebook readers i don't think i have the kobo clara oh okay i it's not one of the ones

that i have it doesn't have buttons i'm a strong proponent of page turn buttons and that's why i think that if you can uh if you can get the kobo libra it's better it's got buttons. Libra 2 is the one that's the current version. They're both pretty close. The only real difference between them is that the Libra 2 has USB-C and the Libra has micro USB. So USB-C is better just because you've got those cables around somewhere and can find them faster. But I would go with that over the clara even though it's more expensive because i'm a big believer in page turn buttons i haven't tried the clara so i i can't actually review it that's their that's their lower end one right um i'm such a

believer in physical page turn buttons that i i don't really like or want to use those and and i didn't get the i got the higher end ones when i was uh reviewing the these so i haven't i don't have a my choice there is look at i mean i don't know the difference between the hd and the two um my guess is that it's not particularly great um i think the clara 2 is the one that's current so i get get one with buttons that's essentially my review. I should also say the Kindle software is better than it used to be. The Kindle software is not necessarily as good as the Kobo software, but it used to be a much wider gap than it is now. So you could also look at the Kindle Paperwhite, which is comparable.

And the software, like I said, is a lot better than it used to be. So Kindles are also acceptable. The paper white's a pretty good deal. Um, but right now my ebook reader of choice is the Kobo Libra 2. I like the size. Uh, I like the price. It's, it's, it's, it's like more than a hundred dollars cheaper than the, um, than the Kindle Oasis, which is the cheapest Kindle that has physical page turn buttons. And does it feel $100 cheaper? Yeah, I mean, it's all plastic,

but otherwise it's the same and it's cheaper. So it depends on how much money you want to pay for one of these. But Libra is my favorite right now. Tyler asks, I haven't heard it discussed as much as the bigger features but the sound that the iphone makes when you ping it from your watch has changed of ios 16

what do you think of the new sound and do you use the feature often so this is when you can use the watch and you can have it make the noise right you know what i'm talking about like when you want to find your phone yeah i'm not used to it but I don't really have an, I don't, I don't care beyond that. Hopefully it's more audible. It, it seems, it's just different. The new sound is nicer, I think. I found the old sound to be quite like piercing. And the new one I find to be a more pleasant noise than the old one.

I guess the question is, is that what you want? Do you want piercing? I can give you a demo of what the new one sounds like, which is this. It is more pleasant, isn't it? Yeah, it's much more pleasant. I don't know if it helps you find it more or less, but I expect they've probably done some work on that right

that like it's you know it's probably good enough but i do use this feature a lot it is a feature in my house which if you ever hear this sound you get to laugh at the other person so me and adina have this true like it's funny because if you've heard that noise right you know something bad's happened you've looked and you can't find it now. Can't find it. You know? And so there is something funny about that, for sure. But yeah, I do, I use it.

I'm very happy that that feature exists. I kind of, and I'm happy now that they seem to be making more devices like this. So we would talk, me and Jason would talk about this before the show. We both haven't been able to use AirPods Pro yet. Like, I think we'll probably have something to say about those next week mine I think have arrived today

I haven't at home so I haven't been able to use them yet but I'm happy they're adding more functionality to the case so right the case is findable more findable than it was before because like just over the weekend I had to I couldn't find my AirPods and I'd left them in my trouser pocket and put my trousers in the laundry basket which is why i couldn't find them and i was using the old airpods pro kind of like finding system which

is with bluetooth and it's not very good you know i'm like walking around the whole house until it says it's near but that's all it can tell me it's just like hey it's near you know but now i'm expecting it to be better plus i could have it make noise which i'm actually pretty excited about the new case so that'd be cool yeah yeah next next week we'll have more to say about those i suspect ryan's asking a question which i don't have an answer for but i actually do need this answer so'm going to ask it and then maybe you or another upgradian can help me. Ryan asks, why does the Apple Watch have a separate set of alarms from the iPhone?

I like to use Siri to set the alarms but I keep getting different results based on whether I spoke to my phone or my watch. Is there any way I can force them to be in sync? Now, the one thing I'll add to this, Jason, see if you can say if I'm right or not here. I believe that the Apple Watch always alerts you to an iPhone alarm,

but it's not the other way around. And this is the same with timers too. Like if you set a timer on the iPhone, it will go off on the iPhone and your watch. You set a timer on the watch, it just goes off on your watch. Now, I mean, one of the reasons I noticed that recently is I wish that the live activity would show up on my iPhone

if I set it on my watch as a timer. Now, the reason I want to know the answer to this question is Idina just got a Series 8 and is now wearing it at night so she can do the temperature stuff, right? So she can be checking her temperature because that's one of the features you have to wear at night. But now she is annoyed about the way

that her alarm is going off. And it seems like some mornings she's telling me that it's just going off on her wrist, but she'd like it to go off on the phone. And so basically I want to know, does anybody know of a way to get them both to go off? The watch and the phone. Do you have any idea about this?

Because I never worn mine to sleep so i i don't know about the sleep tracking i i and the sinking my my guess is that apple and i think they're right here but the the that the idea is if i set an alarm on my watch, I don't expect my phone to make noise, right? I don't expect that. I expect it to just be my watch. It's interesting the other way, right? I think the idea there is that your watch is always with you. So if you're not near your phone and the alarm goes off, the watch will warn you that there's an alarm happening back on your phone. And I think that's the philosophy there, right? I don't know about being able to choose to sync them back and forth.

But I think if anything you said on the Apple Watch stays on the Apple Watch, I think is just by default, that's the idea there. Yeah, we've been having some questions in my house that have yet to be answered yet as to whether the phone is also going off this is you know like one of those things where it's like you're just not 100 sure so i think we need to be doing some more some more testing on that one i think and sims asks are there any current macs you wish were available with a different Apple Silicon chip? With a different Apple Silicon chip.

So this can be one that doesn't currently have one, of which there aren't many now. Or a Mac already has an Apple Silicon chip in it, but you would like it to have something other than what it currently has. Well, the glaring one is that the M1 iMac doesn't come in a higher end M1 chip that's what I have an iMac with a pro chip that's what I would like to see I think that's the big one and then obviously a Mac Mini for the same

reason like I really wish there was a desktop Mac that had the M1 Pro in it right because like the Mac Studio has the Max or the Ultra and then the iMac and the mac studio has the max or the ultra and then the the imac and the mac mini have the m1 but there's nothing in that middle ground of the pro which would be nice to have i'm hoping that this will get rectified um this month but i think next year right i feel

like before the imac yeah but the Mac Mini oh sorry the Mac Mini yes could do right right could do we'll we'll see but that was my thinking is that they'll replace that Intel Mac Mini that's still kicking around with with a version with a more robust chip in it but we'll see i don't know if you would like to send in a question for us to answer in a future episode of upgrade just send out a tweet with the hashtag ask upgrade or use question mark ask upgrade in the relay fm members discord we would very much appreciate your questions thank you for listening to this week's episode of upgrade thanks to clean my mac x member for and squarespace for sponsoring the show and thank you for listening and especially if you support us with upgrade plus go to get upgrade plus.com and you can sign up get ad free longer episodes of the show and thank you for listening and especially if you support us with upgrade

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