Upgrade - 55: Your Watch is Full

Episode Date: September 21, 2015

This week we’ve put on the cranky pants, as Myke works out his frustrations with his iPhone and futilely attempts to upgrade to watchOS 2. We attempt to lighten the mood by talking about all the things Jason likes about iOS 9 and watchOS 2, only to stray back into negativity when the subject of Apple News comes up. Welp, at least there’s #askupgrade!

from relay fm this is upgrade episode 55 today's show is brought to you by smile go to meeting and fan duel my name is mike hurley and i am joined by mr jason snell hi mike welcome home oh thank you so much much, yes I am back in jolly old England now. When last I saw you, of course, we were in Portland, Oregon and we recorded episode 54 across the table from one another and now you're a week plus later and you're back home and dealing with jet lag presumably, but that happens. Yeah, I am very jet lagged. Today I am feeling a lot better than I have previous days, but it has been an interesting couple of days, to say the least,

as jet lag always is for me. Always the third night is the one that is the worst, and it was, and I was awake until 6 a.m. That is how these things tend to go for me. I think you're right. I think that happens. You adapted um where you're going to sleep at the right time and then something happens and your body like rebels and tries to say no no wait wait what about that other time zone and uh yeah trips to portland are much easier for me than they are for you is what i'm saying yeah i can imagine that's the case well i mean i think

your trip to portland took longer than my trip to portland though well i mean it depends on how you count are we are we talking about me leaving my laptop at home again because i got to i got to come home and sleep in my own bed i mean that was actually pretty nice i just didn't take the trip that day it took you an extra amount of time i suppose an extra day in fact i suppose but the jet lag was just uh brutal with the uh i could have driven it in less time but i i decided to stay home and not not do that oh there's a lot going on mike this week lots lots we're in the crazy time we i got a piece of feedback about clockwise last week there was like why do you talk about apple so much it's like well we're one we're kind of apple focused people and and two right now everything that is happening it's just like

apple wall-to-wall insanity so which that is the news in tech right now is apple news for good or bad they're killing it and i mean this is when this is when all this stuff happens and i i don't know i mean the xox the o thing was an extra complication in this but like since yeah i mean i've been working day and night and weekends and for you know whatever the last couple of weeks and probably for the next couple of weeks too because it is that busy it is totally crazy time for for um all the apple stuff that's going on which is great i mean it gives us lots of things to talk about so we're you know we're not spending august talking about what kind of colors we'd like and uh what tree we would be and things like that that we probably

would because that's august for you yeah this is uh august september october like the end of august and then september into oct October is all Apple time, which is good because we have an Apple-focused show, so it gives us some stuff to talk about. It is good. Although we're going to be going all the way up until November with the iPad Pro. I know. Yeah, no, this is extending way out there too. Yep, I am very happy.

At some point, not this episode, but at some point I want to talk about amazon a little bit because there's some fascinating uh they they're six why don't we just start with that before let's let's eschew our format and just i'm not prepared i'm not prepared to talk about it i need to do more because i've been i've been writing so much about ios 9 that i need to do some more uh reading on that uh before i i want to talk about amazon but amazon you know, did a crazy product release thing in a six pack of tablets and they've got a new,

well, they've got a new Fire TV. And yeah, there's, I mean, it's, there's some interesting stuff going on there, but we'll talk about them, I think maybe next week. The six pack thing is fascinating to me though. I love Amazon. It's a low price.

They announced a bunch of different Fire tablets, didn't they? But this one is a lower-priced tablet. They announced some ones that had, like, better specs and color backs, and they're, like, a few hundred dollars or whatever. But they announced a low-price $50 tablet with lower specs, and you can buy it in a six-pack. Oh, that's just hilarious. But you buy five and you get one free.

And it comes in a six-pack. But you think about it, $50 each, that's a stocking stuffer. You could walk into Christmas with a six-pack of tablets and hand them out to all of your cousins. That is a genius move. Whoever came up with this and was able to pull this off, they should get a raise because there is no doubt that these things aren't going to sell well.

Whether they'll make any money on it, they'll probably make money on the services, which is why they're doing it. I'm sure this is sold as close to cost as possible. but i just think that's a very very smart smart move six pack of tablets and it even comes in like a little uh six pack holder thing made out of cardboard and then every tablet is like in an envelope basically it is the commodification of tablets i mean this is like apple's trying to say tablets have value tablets can do a lot of things and amazon is saying hey tablets are cheap and you can watch videos on them and hear that and

play games and here they are and i think both of those approaches are valid it's interesting because you've got apple and amazon both either end now amazon is is basically saying the tablet is a dumb screen to display our content and to allow you to shop in our stores and yeah apple is saying the tablet can be a a device for a professional and it can replace the computer and it's like with the ipad pro right they're pushing right far basically apple have pushed as far as you can go in one direction and amazon have pushed as far as you can go in the other and i think that's fascinating yeah and then they are the new fire tv they've got a 4k model now for people who've got 4k tvs which i have i don't know if i'm tempted to get this or not um but it's it's

an interesting idea and and support for a like a higher efficiency codec so that standard hd um takes less bandwidth to to download which is interesting. And then they also got the Alexa functionality in there. So you can do your Amazon equivalent of Siri using the Fire TV to ask it questions and have it do things. So interesting. Unfortunately, Dan Morin is not currently in the chat room. Otherwise, I would have added marshmallows to his shopping list. Yeah, I know.

Next time. Next time. I'll i know next time next time i'll get you next time moron i i'm fascinated by the crazy stuff that amazon does so we should come back to that at some point but yeah there's so it's not just apple making announcements because everybody's gearing up for the holiday season this is a huge you know it's not for people out there who are grumpy and don't like holidays and think this is stupid whether it's because they don't you know they think that it's overhyped or whether they think it's the commercialization of the holidays, the fact is that so many of these companies succeed or fail based on how they do in the holiday season. seasonally seasonal company. They make a lot of money every quarter, but the fourth quarter is by far the largest. And so this is the time when all of these companies are dropping new products

or putting together deals, or in the case of Apple, adding colors and bands to the Apple Watch. That's all to get people, that's to prepare for the onslaught of the fourth quarter, which is starting in a week and a half. We're already there. Should we do some follow-up and out? Yeah, I think that's a great idea. So we both have podcast projects. We do. That we would like to point people towards.

Long gestating and coming to fruition this week. Indeed. So the one that I am working on is a project with Dan and Tom of Studio Neat, who are the makers of the Glyph and the Cosmonaut and the Neat Ice Kit. They've just announced today a new Kickstarter project called Obi,

which is a smart laser toy for pets. It's quite fascinating. I'll put a link in the show notes to their Kickstarter page. And Dan and Tom have been working with me for about six months, and they have been recording all of the conversations that they've been having during this time while they've been developing the product and designing the product. And I've been talking with them too over this time, and we've been planning a new

podcast series, which is basically going to be going through the development and design and manufacture of a kickstarter project and what it takes to do that so you can find the first episode available now which is talking about kind of where the idea for the product came from a little bit and introducing kind of the show and its concept and then i have been talking to them a lot today because obviously they launched their project today and we've been recording a bunch and we're talking to them even throughout the evening and late late into the night uh to kind of gauge their opinions and to so you can as a listener get an idea as to how it feels to when you launch a product on kickstarter after all this work and already it's been a high emotion

throughout the day so you can tune in now and you'll get that episode next week. So yeah, it's called Thoroughly Considered is the podcast. And I hope that you'll enjoy it. It's at relay.fm slash TC. For people that enjoyed my Behind the App series, I think you're going to like this. I think it's interesting too from a,

not to get too insidery, but as we all talk about ad blockers and things like that, which has happened over the last week and, you know, where commercialism falls, where money transactions happen and how they relate to content, how they relate to things that you read and that you listen to and all of that, that thoroughly considered is an interesting kind of integrated thing where it is the story. It's an interesting story about how Studio studio need does what it does and their entire creative process and so people who are interested in creativity and making products will find it a really interesting thing to listen to at the same time you know they have a Kickstarter and it can you could view it

as ancillary material to the Kickstarter and as a as a another venue to promote studio need and to promote Studio Neat and to promote this product. And that all kind of like works together. And this is different from what we think of, is it advertising? Is it editorial? What is it?

And the answer is it's something different. And I think that's cool. I think it's a cool experiment. Yeah, it kind of is interesting because it sits in the middle, I think think so it's a project that we're working on they're not paying me to do this it then this isn't an advertisement that they've paid for um we have direct support that we're doing for this show which we've not done for any show so on the kickstarter page that you can you can support the podcast uh there's a 25 limit and

a five dollar limit and they will go to help support the podcast. There's a $25 limit and a $5 limit, and they will go to help support the podcast, which will allow us to do things like, you know, we want to, maybe we'll go traveling with the guys at certain points to record some of their conversation to manufacturers and stuff. It's a very different type of show,

and I think that it's something worth checking out because I'm hoping that we're doing something a little bit different with it that people might enjoy. But it is interesting because it does fit in a very interesting space that for us, we haven't got anything else that occupies. Right. No, it's very interesting.

Looking forward to seeing how it goes. Yeah, yeah. It's a cool idea. What have you been working on? Oh, well, other than the iOS 9 and watchOS and El Cap be a, I believe, 12-week run of original radio drama slash comedy. It's really meant to be funny. It's not just, we call it radio drama, but it's, you know, it's not, it's somewhat dramatic and also somewhat comedic. And that's been a project that has been going on. I don't even know how you start measuring it. We started recording in like March. So it's been a huge project. And this started with, if people don't know, we did a couple episodes. In fact, I talked to you after one of them.

Um, we did a couple episodes of the incomparable that were completely off format and it was an old time radio drama sort of thing and, and sort of parodying current pop culture stuff as well as like old time, uh, classic radio from before the, the, the television age. And cause that's, it's podcast, it's audio. You could do that sort of thing. And we did one for April fool's day a few years ago. And then we did another one at Christmas of, I want to say, 2013. And so we've been planning since, actually since last year, because we did a little promo on Christmas Day of 2014, saying that in 2015, we'd do a season of the radio theater. So this has been going on for almost a year now that we've been talking about this and recording and editing. And David

has been writing these scripts and, uh, you know, I've been collecting audio from various people for cameos and we've been doing recording sessions and all of this and so many sound effects. I have to build all these crazy soundscapes. Um, but, uh, yeah, so, so later this week, episode one of the season will be available and people can subscribe. Now, if you go to the incomparable.com slash radio, there are some episodes already there that are sort of season zero. There's, uh, we basically took the two incomparable episodes that, um, that, uh, we did and chopped

them up into almost like proof of concept. Like this is what a season would sound like. And that's season zero. into almost like proof of concept like this is what a season would sound like and that's season zero and then there's a live show that we did at the layers conference uh that jesse char put on next to wwdc so that's in there but you can subscribe to that and then the episodes will start dropping in beginning in the next day or two i'm so excited for this i absolutely fell in love with the first one and then you've done two of them right on the uncomfortable

they're both in there I remember I think it's the only podcast that I've ever listened to twice back to back when the first one dropped I was just I'd never heard anything like it and I hope

that people go and check out what's currently in the feed because it's all great stuff. And I'm very, very excited for the first episode to drop later this week. I'm glad. Yeah, if people haven't heard that stuff before, then there's a lot of material. All that stuff that's in the feed now is that stuff. That's our complete output basically up to now is the stuff that was in the feed i didn't want to make people kind of chase it down later so we we put those in there but yeah yeah exactly and then from here you know i think the plan is to do like i said things could change because it's not like every single episode is is locked and done

it's not like netflix where we can drop them all at once but um the plan is to release them weekly um through sometime in december so i think i think 12 episodes there may be a we may break for thanksgiving week but um yeah so it's gonna in the end it will probably be about four hours of original um audio you know fiction so it's a lot so i hope people like it oh let's talk about the six colors redesign It's a lot. So I hope people like it. Oh, let's talk about the Six Colors redesign.

I think, yeah. So speaking of things that I was doing this last week, in addition, because I stupidly decided to have my long-term radio project and also the redesign of my website drop in September as well, on top of all the Apple stuff. No, it's the best time. It's the best time. It's when people are paying attention. Yeah.

And for the radio drama, I really wanted to be out in 2015. I didn't want to delay it until... You could delay it forever. So we're going to do it and get it out before the end of the year. And for Six Colors, it was a year on. Before I even launched the site, I was thinking about how I would hire a designer to actually give it a design because the site design was by me and it was sort of aggressively not designed. It was as generic as I could possibly make it. And since the spring, I've been talking to Krista Mergen about designing it and she designed it over the summer.

And I wanted it to go up on the one year anniversary of six colors, which was September 16th. And so that's what I did on the, on the 16th, as the OS nine update was rolling out, I pressed the button and, uh, put, pushed out the new version of the site, which is, and then spent the next Krista and I spent the next like four days debugging the CSS. Cause there were little quirks here and there. Some of which were because of how I implemented it in my CMS because I did that part on the 15th and the 16th. And then some of it was just weird edge cases that we hadn't really planned for. But we did it.

So it's up and it's got some interesting features like a hypnotic nav bar that I know that you like. I love that thing so much. I, with all my heart, love that nav bar. Because the first time where you're like, you look at it and you look away for a few minutes, you look back and it's, oh, the colors changed. And you just look at it for a moment and like, are my eyes going weird? And then you realize that there is this beautiful transition between all of the six colors. All the colors. And it makes me very, very happy. Yeah. Yeah. That was something Krista invented. I didn't even ask. And it's great. And so, yeah, if you don't pay attention, what you'll notice is that the nav bar is different colors. And if you pay attention,

you'll notice that very slowly it is cycling between the colors as you watch. So you can just stare at it if you really want to. So that was a really nice thing that she did. And, you know, the nav bar changes and the fonts and stuff change because it's a responsive site. The old one was too, but this one's a little, does I think a little better job of adjusting to phones and tablet sizes as well as desktop sizes. And the other big thing that I wanted to do is that we post so many different things on Six Colors. So I post posts, right? And Dan Morin posts these posts that are just,

we wrote a story and here it is. So that's pretty straightforward. But then we also have links that are offsite links and that's a different sort of beast where you're basically pointing at something somewhere else and saying, hey, this is interesting, you should read it. Or this is interesting and here's what I think of it. But it's primarily a link. The link is the currency there more than what we've written.

And so I wanted those to be differentiated. And they were somewhat differentiated in the old design, but it was pretty limited. And I wanted that to be a lot clearer. And then on top of that, we had some other post types that were not represented by different design styles. So like when I thank the sponsor, I wanted that to be marked as this is the sponsor. You know, this is the sponsor. When I'm linking to my own work or Dan's linking to his own work somewhere else, I felt like that was different. That was more like, hey, you know, you came here to read us and here's a thing you can go read elsewhere that's still us. So I wanted that to be a little different than some off-site link.

That has my favorite of the iconography. It has the Shuffle logo. It's got the little Shuffle logo, and it's in orange, right? And then there's a podcast one for when I post podcasts, which I did create a rudimentary one of those on the old site a few months ago. But now there's a podcast style too. So when you look at Six Colors, you know, if it's a link to a podcast or an offsite link,

you can tell immediately that that's what it is. And I think, I think I like it better having the differentiations between the different types of content. So it's clearer about what you're seeing and it's pretty. I like it a lot. And Krista redid the, you know, redid the, you know,

redid the logo type as well because I just did that in Helvetica. You know, again, let's get a designer in to look at this. Yeah, it's excellent throughout. I'm happy that it was done. I didn't have any problems with the way that six colors looked before. But now I'm looking at it now.

I'm very happy that you made these these changes and krista did a fantastic job uh really really did yeah she did a she did a great job um and uh some credit to uh to jay at the cotton bureau uh the story there being that we also have this 6c logo that appears in some places that is like a 6 and a C kind of superimposed with the Apple-style rainbow on it. And because 6 colors as a word mark just is really wide and like is there something that fits in like a social media icon and all that. And that directly quotes the Apple logo because the C has the shape that's very much like the bite out of the apple. And the 6 has the top that's very much like the leaf at the top of the apple. So it's a nice kind of reference to apple, but also six colors, 6C.

Jay at the Cotton Bureau and I were talking about doing a six-color t-shirt, which is very hard because doing a t-shirt with screen printing in six different colors is really expensive. So we were talking about other ways to do it and at one point he said i don't normally do this but i had this idea for for a logo and it was the 6c and at the time i was like i don't really want to make a t-shirt with a logo nobody's seen and say hey everybody buy this t-shirt with a logo that you've never seen because it's new um that seems wrong to me so we just agreed to put it aside and because of the expense and the issues with um getting uh do you get a six color t-shirt or do you get a t-shirt with a one color logo that's available in six colors? What are your options there? We decided to table it for a while. But when I was working on the design with Krista, I said, hey, actually, there's this thing that the Cotton Bureau did that you should check out and then so she took that and then redrew it and that is also

on the site and in the twitter icon and all of that is this is this rainbow 6c so that was a fun little little design bonus um that you see next to the full posts that's the logo there's a link next to the links and the the shuffle icon and the podcast icon and then there's this 6c i like it all thank you that's very nice should we take a break good idea this week's episode is brought to you by the lovely people over at smile and we have something a little different this week which i'm really excited about you hear us talk about smile products a lot and today we have something that they don't do very often and when they do it makes me very happy so we love smile right they don't do very often. And when they do, it makes me very happy. So we love Smile, right?

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october 15th 2015 thank you so much to smile for their continued support of this very show they've uh sponsored episode one and two look at that yeah how about that one year ago i actually remember now sending a message to greg and i said to him i think i said to him something along the lines of i can't tell you what this is but well it was a secret right because we we had a we hadn't announced that it was happening and we hadn't announced the episode because the episode was going to drop when the iPhone embargo dropped.

Yep. But I said to him, you will want this. And he was like, I hope that he trusted me enough to do it. And that was why he did it. I assume he did. Otherwise, why would he have done? But I don't want to assume trust. But yeah, we love Smile.

They're absolutely fantastic. They've just been great great they've actually been really great for us since the beginning they helped us out a lot when we were starting out and yeah go support them yeah so i want to talk about ios 9 watch os 2 a little bit um ios 9 is that now out officially as is watch os 2 we'll get to that in a bit uh but before we do that jason i would like to just just grumble a bit about about some of my current uh iphone woes that i'm having all right partly in the partly to just get it off my chest uh and partly because i want to see if there's anybody that can can help with the problems that i'm having. Oh, that's fun. Just looking at it now, I picked up my iPhone,

it downloaded the watchOS 2 update, and now the download has to start all over again for a reason that I can't quite understand. Interesting. This has been a fun one for Apple, I think, so that will start again. These are my current iPhone woes. My iCloud backup is not working. It just fails every single time.

I was on the beta. It didn't work during the beta period. I have upgraded to the GM, and I cannot get it to update. Nothing seems to do. It seems to be working. I have tried deleting all the previous backups from iCloud, so there are no previous backups on my phone, but it just keeps failing.

There seems to be nothing I can do. I've had it in a charging dock for like four hours with the auto lock turned off in the hopes that it would help it, but it just hangs and then eventually fails. So no iCloud backup for me which is great uh personal hotspot is not working from my iPad to my iPhone so like I'm trying to tether uh on on my iPad to tether the connection from my phone are you running the release version of iOS 9 on both

yeah both from the GM huh and uh personal hotspot doesn't work anymore, which is awesome. And I'm also having a bunch of iCloud syncing issues with some applications. They're just not syncing. I sense some sarcasm when you keep saying things are awesome. I think they're not actually awesome, Mike. I think you're upset. I am a little upset. I expect that a lot of this stuff is related to having run the beta, but it's not working. And I'm currently in the mode, I'm not kidding,

where I'm thinking to myself, I hope my new phone will fix this. Like, the only way I feel like I can fix this is by getting a brand new iPhone, which I was doing anyway, but it's like, I just don't know what to do. I could burn it all down and start again, but I really don't want to do that um so this this is

my current thinking i have just over a week or is it no it's just five days right or something yeah five days i have yes until i get my new iphone i can live with this i'm just backing up my phone um to itunes on my mac so that's fine. The tethering stuff, again, I'm not planning any trips. So I'm at home or I'm at an office or somewhere that has Wi-Fi. So I don't need it necessarily for my iPad. So I'm thinking maybe getting a new phone will fix this. Now, I am planning to run my 6 Plus S. 6S Plus?

6 Plus S. What is it? 6S 6s plus i'm planning to run that from a backup of my previous iphone which i'll be doing on my mac and i'm hoping that the new phone will fix it i don't know why it would but i also don't know why it's broken um if it doesn't fix it and there's no other option, then I will have to restore and just start all over again. But I really don't want to do that. I feel like I've been here before. I really don't want to do that. I like to just go from backup to backup because setting up a new phone from scratch is a pain and I would prefer not to. So that's kind of where I am right now.

It's frustrating. It's a myriad of frustrations that I have, and they all seem to be centered around iCloud. So maybe I could try stuff like completely signing out of iCloud on my phone, but that really is a thing you should avoid. We'll see, but that's where I am. My main issues right now seem to all be around iCloud stuff and this personal hotspot thing. Yeah, my gut feeling is that signing out of iCloud everywhere and signing back in would be the first thing to try.

Yeah. You know, because there may be something very strange going on there. I've had that happen where it seems like I'm signed in and I can do things and I can't do other things. They fail inexplicably. And it's like parts of the phone have signed out of iCloud and other parts have not, or Apple thinks parts of it are signed in and other parts aren't. And it gets in this weird half in half out state where, um, the best thing to do is to just sign out and then sign back in and it goes, Oh, welcome back. Right. It's like now, now it's all synced up again.

So, so that might be because even, even the personal hotspot thing, I think the granting permission for the personal hotspot may be based on, um, on, uh, that it's a known device that's logged in with your Apple ID.

Yeah. So they may all be related to not being in the, in like a, a synced up state um also if you're running the gm you should update to the final just because i don't know if it's the same build or not but i was able to update my devices i said when i said gm i meant the final i'm on you're on the final final okay i got them both via ota so after putting the g on them. Before you burn it all to the ground, consider logging out of

your Apple ID and just logging back in everywhere and see on those, even if it's just on your phone and your iPad, and see if that solves it, because that might be it. Yeah. The iPad is majorly fine. It's just the hotspot thing, which I still think is something with the phone. I think it's the phone. I think it's the

phone's fault. Because the iPad is doing an iCloud backup correctly. Yeah, okay. It's your phone's fault. Yeah, there's something going on with my phone. Mike was wrong. Well, Mike's phone was wrong. Mike's phone was wrong.

I was still right about my decision. I recommend that you get rid of that phone and replace it. Good idea. I'll get right on that. This week, if possible. By the end of the week, I want that phone dead. I'm currently getting an error here whilst trying to download WatchOS 2. Another one.

Cannot download. There is not enough available storage to download Trainline, which is an app. You can free up storage by deleting apps or by changing storage settings for photos and music in the Apple Watch app oh you filled up your Apple Watch I think it's downloaded the update twice to it

this is going great this is just an absolute genius thing everywhere I'm really happy that this is happening let's talk about the fact that apple if you're just doing this we're in the second hour of mike gets frustrated with technology apple are really struggling with software updates aren't they this is the second year in a row where something catastrophic has happened. This time around, it was WatchOS 2 got pulled at the very last minute.

Yes, because there was, and I know this, I have heard through my sources. I've heard through the same sources. That may be in the chat room right now for all I know, that there was a bug found where there were WatchOS 2 apps that were failing to launch and the logs suggested that there was a FairPlay problem, a DRM problem that was related to, I think, encryption. And that got passed back by the developers to Apple, and Apple went, oh, no. And watchOS 2 didn't come out for almost a week because they had to fix that. So they seem to have fixed it now.

But, you know, I think Apple is trying to be better at this. I think one of the great things about iOS 9 is that the update sizes are so much smaller, that the space requirements for these updates are a lot less than it was. They obviously are putting some effort into trying to make this all more efficient. But it's hard, especially on these devices where they're trying to make this all more efficient. But it's hard on these, especially on

these devices where they're trying to make it seem magical and not, you know, not complicated. It's just, oh, we'll just update, just attach it and it'll all be fine. But it's hard. And I mean, I have a hard time criticizing Apple for delaying the release of watchOS 2 because they found a bug. I think it's great that they did that because the alternative would have been to release it on their self-imposed deadline and have a bug that was a terrible bug. It is unfortunate that that bug was only found at the last moment kind of by accident.

That's the criticism. Like you look at iOS 8 and HealthKit, right? It was the same thing there. Right, and it shipped and it was broken. Yep, so then they had to pull apps. So you end up in the same situation again with, like I've been getting errors all over the place this week because I have a couple of apps that slip through

with WatchOS 2 updates to them. Yeah, okay. And I have blank spaces on my watch right now and it's the same like with healthcare apps uh some healthcare apps got through and it was everything was broken and some just got held up so i'm sure there are some developers right now who would have had their ios9 update out already but they've had to wait i think the omni group might be part of that um that some developers basically just have to wait because they have watchOS 2 stuff in there.

Yeah, Omni group just tweeted that they, now with watchOS 2 out, they can release their app update because it was held back. But this app that triggered this got approved. That apparently triggered it. Got approved even though it was carrying a watchOS 2 app with it.

I don't know. Yeah, it's kind of a mess. Updating this many devices and doing auto updates, it is hard. But you're right. Apple is not running as efficiently and as smoothly as they should be. There's still a lot of, I think on the report card we're going to say, needs more attention, needs more effort. But they have come.

I mean, I like that they're obviously trying to pay attention to this and trying to improve it, even if there are still hiccups. Because the fact, like I mentioned, that the iOS 9 update requires so much less space. So you don't have these 16 gig iPhones that need five gigs of storage free in order to install which is what it was with ios 8 that's just ridiculous um so that's better now it's like 1.3 gigs or something free that you need um but the other thing they've done is they've done that the deferred install have you seen that that now it'll actually say hey i downloaded ios 9 would you like me to install it now, ask you later, or just do it overnight? And if you've got your iPad or your iPhone plugged in overnight, you'll just wake up in the morning and it will have updated. And rather than having you,

you have to be there. And then at that point, you can't use your device. So you need to be present. And then you were wandering around without that device because it's too busy updating. So like, those are good features. Those are both really nice features that show that somebody at Apple is paying attention here. It's just there are other places where this is problematic still. I mean, it is. It's not that it's not a hard job to do. It's just that your frustration suggests that there's a little more that can be done, perhaps.

Well, watchOS 2 just isn't installing now. Well, Apple CDN is the thing that blows me away, too. Their content delivery network- It's downloaded. Apparently, I've downloaded it, but now we're just sitting here. I've seen a lot of people who have had problems like long download waits. And when iOS 9 came out, there were a lot of errors. Basically, like, I can't reach the server because they seem to be swamped with requests.

And that one kind of baffles me um the fact that apple.com went down when the pre-orders were happening it just went down for a while um that's all that's all weird to me you'd think that they would uh have built for that peak capacity i know i understand I understand building for peak capacity is hard because you very rarely hit the peak and you don't know where the peak is. And 99% of the time you're not at the peak, so it doesn't matter. But still, it's still surprising.

Let's talk about WatchOS 2. Let's do it. So you've been using it for a bit. You've been using the beta, right? A couple months. I finally decided I you've been using it for for a bit you've been using the beta right couple couple months i i finally um i finally decided i needed to to start using it i i put that off for a little while when they first did the betas because i thought once i do this my watch is going to be potentially weird and buggy and and uh but i needed to at some point i just said okay let's do it

and it's actually been a pretty good experience. There have been occasional quirks, but I've had a good experience with it, especially the nightstand mode. I have to call that out. I think that's actually a great feature, the idea that when you attach the phone to a charger and you've got the nightstand mode setting turned on, I'm not sure if it's turned on by default or not, but it basically displays the time and what your next alarm is. Rotate to 90 degrees. So you can basically lay your watch down on the side of it that has no buttons and read the time because it's rotated 90 degrees and use the crown and the button on the top as a snooze and off for the alarm in the morning. And I actually unplugged my clock radio thing that I had by my bedside and replaced it with my Apple Watch.

And I've been using that for the last month and a half as my... Were you using the Apple Watch as an alarm before this? Oh, no. No, no. I was absolutely not using it as an alarm before. Is it loud? I've never used it. I wouldn't say it's loud.

I'd say that it is a pleasant sound. If you're one of those people who needs a blaring alarm in order to wake up in the morning, maybe it won't work for you, but it works fine for me. And actually, one of the features that I think is really clever, so it doesn't stay lit all night because that can be really annoying and in in a bedroom but it is listening it is feeling for any slight jostle so even if i bump like the nightstand um trying to reach for the watch to tap it or or um it'll come on and show me the time. And I don't need to tap the screen. Any kind of movement will light up the nightstand mode clock, which is kind of nice. But otherwise, it's off. But in the morning, if you ever had that moment where you think your alarm is probably about to go off, but you're not sure what the time is.

And so you look to see, you know, is it 645? No, it's 642. But it'll be going off in a minute. look to see, you know, is it 645? No, it's 642, but it'll be going off in a minute. They did a clever thing, which I think it's about five, it's five or 10 minutes before the alarm goes off. The screen does come on. So it's like ready for you to look at it and check to see if it's, if it's about to go off, which I love that feature. I think that's a really clever feature that when it's close to going off, it will, it will start to come on and show you what the time is. So I like that feature a lot.

I suppose it's not for everybody. I've got the nightstand dock from Elevation, which works with this mode because you kind of dock it. It's a little silicone thing that you stick the little charger puck in and then you can uh attach the watch to the front of it and it sort of lays there in essentially that that the proper orientation for this and so i've been using that but you can also just lay it on its side on your on your bedside stand and it'll work that way too i like that feature it's fun i don't know how often if ever i wake up before my alarm goes off and i am definitely one of those people that needs loud alarms let's see see what see what it does

give it a try and see what it uh what it does for you yeah i never i have never used my iphone except when i'm traveling as an alarm clock i'm not one of those people certainly not the apple watch but i have been using the apple watch in this context and it's nice. It's nice. And then I put it on and go about my day. Yeah. My iPhone is my only alarm clock. Interesting. Yeah. I had a little thing on my nightstand that I took off and now I don't have it there anymore. And my nightstand is that much clearer. It's nice. And the little charger stays there, which is also good. I mean, there are a bunch of other things in watchOS 2. So many of them are hard to talk about because they really require third-party apps that aren't out there yet.

Like the new standalone apps should be really good and much more responsive than the kind of tethered weird apps that we have now but i i didn't really get to test any of them oh okay huh and likewise the third-party complications i have not been able to test but i'm really looking forward to those i just haven't seen them and there's you know there's some there's some other stuff there's uh new um uh new watch faces these like photo watch faces which are not really my bag, but for some people, they're going to be very excited about those. But I think, yeah, I think the third party, the better third party apps and the complications that come along with it are going to be a huge thing. And we're just going to have to see how that goes because we really need to see

how well those apps perform when they're running on the watch. And it's just, it's too early. As we are talking, there are probably apps going live on the store with updates that support this, and then more will come over the next few weeks. And I think that'll make a big difference into the usability of the Apple Watch because the first generation Apple Watch apps are just, you know, they're just not all there, and they didn't work very well. And I'd almost rather they hadn't been there at all. And I have high hopes that these new ones will be a lot better. And the complications thing, I really want to see custom complications, because most of the complications Apple offers don't really interest me. But there are apps that I can imagine providing complication data

that I would want to put on my watch face. So I'm, I'm really hoping to see some of that. I actually pinged weather underground today on Twitter and said, are you guys going to update your Apple watch app to do a, you know, a complication with the weather from your weather stations? Cause, um, if they do that, I can actually have my weather stations temperature from my backyard on my watch at all times, which I think would be kind of awesome. And they replied and said they're going to make an announcement, and it sounds like, yes, they are going to do that. And Major League Baseball undoubtedly will have an update that I can put the score of the Giants game on my watch. And that stuff is really cool, and that's stuff that Apple's never going to do itself, that the third parties are going to be able to rush in there.

And that should be great, but it's too early for that now. Outside of changing my calendar complication to the Fantastical complication if they make one rather than the standard one, I can't think of any custom complications that I want. It doesn't mean I wouldn't use them. Maybe I just haven't seen them yet, but I just can't think of any that I want. It doesn't mean I wouldn't use them. Maybe I just haven't seen them yet, but like, I just can't think of any that, that I want. Well, I mean, so, uh, as a, as a sports fan, I say something like, like, uh, being able to put the current score or when the next game is for my favorite baseball team on there. I would, I would do that. Um, like I said, the, uh, a better weather source, uh, in my case, weather underground, that that's something that I would, a better weather source, in my case, Weather Underground, that's something that I would consider.

Because Apple Weather, and part of this may be a watchOS 1 problem where the data doesn't get updated. But Apple's weather source isn't that accurate for where I live, so I don't use that. And there are others like a flight tracking app that could actually, at a glance, show you the status of your flight. Yeah, maybe I could see myself changing them at certain periods of time. Like when I'm on holiday or whatever, when I'm away, I change my watch. So I usually have the activity rings on the top right. I have the New York time zone in the top left. And I have the... Because I use the simple face, I think?

Simple face. And I have my calendar on the bottom. But when I go away, I have weather on the bottom and I change the time zone to London. That's it. So I keep it quite sparse. Because the thing is, with the watch face that I

want to use, there isn't one. There's only three complications or whatever you can put on it. Well, I'm using utility, which similarly there's one big space and then there are a couple little small spaces. And most of the time right now, I just have the date and the day and the date. And then I have the

activity rings up in the corner, which are colored now, which they weren't in watchOS 1. I don't know how I feel about that i like it but i could understand that persnickety people might be persnickety about it to put this into context i change so i i can't remember what the i think it's utility whatever the one is where you can change the color of the second hand only yes the face that i use whatever one is simple utility i'm not sure i changed the color of because i have like five

sport bands i changed the color of my second hand to match the sport band right sure so i'm very uh very specific is the word i'm looking for about the choices of the way that my watch looks and now there's going to be a bunch of color in there which i'm not i'm not i'm not jazzed about that jason i must say i've seen what it looks like and uh i'm i probably have to live with it for a bit but i don't like the the colored activity rings i can see the utility of them because most of the time i can't work out which one's which right by looking at the the complication but i would still prefer to have it one color myself. That is something that I would prefer

over the utility that you get out of it. Do you have anything else to say on OS 2, WatchOS 2? I might have more to say next week if I can ever get it to install. We're on attempt three now, Jason. Well, they have these animated, the animated watch face that's actually a tie-in with the live photos thing that's going to be on the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus. So I'm looking forward to trying that out just as a thing.

But again, I'm not sure photo watch faces are my bag. But I understand everybody has their own options, and it's nice to have more options. I wish watchOS 2 had more watch face functionality than it does, the ability to move things around, have maybe more watch faces that are heavy with information, like the modular face. I would use modular, but they need to fix or say fix. They need to give me the ability to move where the clock is because I think the clock should be in the middle.

I yeah, we're we're we're together on this. And that seems to be a limitation of how they've built the watch UI. The watch face UI is that the clock goes where it goes. And I think the answer there would be make a variant of modular where the clock is in the center instead of sort of toward the top, but they didn't do that. So maybe sometime they'll do that. The time travel feature, which we haven't talked about, I mean, this is a watchOS 2 feature where you can roll the time forward or backward and see the data change. So for my baseball example, I might be able to roll the time back and see what last night's score was or something like that.

Or roll the weather forward and see a forecast for what it's going to be like later in the day. And modular works really well with that because it's so information dense and you can have lots of data on there and you can see it all. And it'll be interesting to see, again, how that stuff gets adapted. Because on some of these watch faces, the time travel feature is kind of pointless and actually kind of gets in the way. You move the crown and you go, oh, no, no, no, I didn't want to do that. But on some of the information dense screens, it can actually be potentially very interesting. And again, it comes back to the third parties, I feel like to support that timeline in a way that that makes sense. But yeah, checking on what your next calendar event is the I think the prime example there is you roll forward until you see, you know,

what's after this meeting, and you can roll forward and see, oh, then this next meeting happens, or then I go to lunch or whatever. just had an idea that I may set up a second watch face with four different time zones on it and use it as a time zone converter. Yeah. Your podcast watch face thing. I think that's a good watch tip in general is set up different, even of the same face, if you want, set up different watch face settings and you can have them all accessible face, if you want, set up different watch face settings, and you can have them all accessible. And, you know, you have one when you're at work and one when you're at home or one for the weekend

or when you go on a vacation or something like that. And that's, you can do that all with Apple Watch, which is nice. iOS 9. I don't have a ton more to say about iOS 9 than I have already, other than the fact just to comment on apps on the iPad, I think. Because that's the thing.

Because apps on the iPhone, not major additions, really. I mean, the kind of the universal search thing is interesting. I could see that being useful if I remember to do it. You know, like searching within apps and stuff like that. You know, it could be good. I have found that I am very much enjoying split screen on the iPad. My only thing about it now is I am desperate for a few of the apps that I use frequently to be updated. for a few of the apps that I use frequently to be updated.

Yeah, this was my whole summer, right? Was, oh, this could be so great if it wasn't only the Apple apps that use these features. See, I felt that way when beta testing it as well, but I didn't feel as desperate than when I have some apps, right? When it was none, it was like, okay, there's none. But now there's some, it's like it makes it worse if the ones that you want aren't there so like for me uh i need google to update their stuff like all the drive apps um and i really need mailbox to update and i mean tweetbot is just like whatever like that you know you're not even going to get into that right now um

twitterific works great in split screen and i've been using it in split screen but twitterific has other fundamental problems i know we won't get into this now this is a conversation for another day yes everybody loves tweetbot i'm just i just it doesn't work for me i i don't don't write don't write me i'm aware of everything about tweetbot i just it doesn't work for me that's not it's it's about me. It's not TweetBot, it's me. This is what I'm saying. It's good to know, Jason, that there is still not enough available storage

to download Trainline on my watch. What is going on here? What is Trainline? Turn off Trainline. It's an app. It's already turned off because it's a watchOS 2 app. So it's, but I'm just getting, it's cannot download box just pop up. And then the watchOS 2 thing won't install.

Maybe I'll try turning the watch off. I feel like I just filled it up with attempts to update now. The storage is just full up with just update attempts. Could be. Your watch is full. Oh, I'm just angry today. I'm just angry today. I can tell.

I can tell you're very frustrated. Yeah. Apple is really upsetting me so i love the split view um with the side-by-side apps on the ipad air 2 it's very nice i think slide over although it it felt in the demo when it was announced that this was like the sort of sad feature for the iPads that couldn't do the full-on side-by-side but I think I think slide over maybe is better than split view in a lot of cases because um the question is how often are you using two apps and I wrote about this on six colors we'll put a link in the show notes I wrote like 3,500 words just about I didn't write 40,000 words like Federico but I did did write several thousand words about

various features that I cared about, including the iPad productivity stuff. Split view, you really need to be, I feel like, committed to using two apps simultaneously. Because they're both narrow, they both get squished when they're both on screen at the same time. So you really need to be like, I'm doing something that requires both of these apps to be here. And there are use cases when that's true. But I feel like there are maybe just as many or more use cases where what you really want is the app that you're using, and then momentarily you want to use another app, and then you want to go back to the first app. And that's not the same as feeding, you know, switching back and forth and back and forth between two apps. And slide over is really good for that.

So you're, you know, you're writing something and then you slide out Twitterific or you slide out Slack and you see what's going on and then you slide it away and then you keep working. As opposed to, like, I'm writing arosoft word over here while i see slack over here or for me the cocktail of productivity murder which is uh half my screen is twitter and half of it is slack and i will never get anything done at that point i will fall into a bottomless pit of time wasting as i read twitter and i talk on Slack. But so anyway, I think slide over should not be should not be disparaged. I think that there are a lot of cases where it's actually a nicer thing. It's also a lot less intrusive, because what happens is, if you switch apps, you go to a different app that that and you're in split view, that app on the right side stays

there. It's not like they're kind of like paired. So if you're if you're saying, Oh, I'm getting a lot of work done. And I've got word or pages or whatever on the left side and i've got i've got um i don't know slack on the right side and then you go and you switch to some other app just something innocuous that is totally different switching to safari to read something well that thing on the side just stays there and you're like oh you're you're still here. And then you've got to like take your finger and drag it away and go into the single app mode again. And, you know, slide over doesn't do that. It's only there when you want it. So, yay slide over. Side by side is really nice. And then picture in picture is the other thing that's fantastic. I don't know if your apps, Hulu's been updated for it. Major League Baseball got updated for it. Netflix,

who knows what they're going to do, but it would be really nice if Netflix would do it. And Apple's videos app supports it already out of the box. And FaceTime too. So you can actually be talking to somebody using FaceTime while you're looking at an app without like the screen going black and being told that they've been paused. And those are all great. So you can sit there and do some work and have a little video playing in the corner of the screen. And that been paused. And those are all great. So you can sit there and do some work and have a little video playing in the corner of the screen. And that's awesome. And you can actually have that happening

during a split view session. So you can have video playing and two apps running and that totally works. YouTube. Yeah. Did they update YouTube? No.

No, they haven't done that. Well, they need to do that. That's on the list. YouTube and Netflix need to get with the program. I'm not convinced that they will do it. I mean, because they already do their own version of Picture in Picture within the app. I don't think they want you leaving the app and watching the video. Yeah, and they've got this custom player controls and stuff too.

So they may not be able to do it is the other thing. Because you may have to use Apple's streams. But the interesting thing hulu did it hulu does it and it works fine were they using their own custom player i think so because they have to insert their commercials and stuff so we'll see i mean it's not like it's not like it's handing it off to the system the the app is still doing the video itself in the background so i think if Hulu can do it, Netflix could do it and we'll see, and Amazon too. So we'll see what happens. But I think picture in picture is a fantastic feature. Fantastic. I'm very excited about it. So I want everything that does video in any form to support it because it's really nice to be able to look at that video on your iPad

while you're doing something else. And like with the FaceTime preview, you can pinch it to make it bigger or smaller. You can move it to any corner of the screen. You can even slide it off the edge so that the audio is playing and you can see that it's there, but it's temporarily out of your way. It's a really well implemented feature. I'm very excited about it. So that's my favorite stuff in iOS 9, honestly, is the iPad stuff. Although I do love low power mode. Low power mode is great. Yeah, I've used that a bunch. I used that at XOXO. It was at 20%. It says, oh, you're at 20%. Do you want to go into low power mode? And it just stopped. I think it maybe went to like 18%. It was amazing. In fact,

what it suggested to me is that I've got some apps that really need to not be given background authority because they're draining my phone battery. But I lost so much battery anxiety once I went into low power mode and realized that it's like the extra gas tank in like a Volkswagen where you run out of gas and then you pull this thing and the secret reserve kicks in and then you go for another five miles until you can get to a gas station. It's a little like that, that when you get to 10% or 20%, you don't panic and think, oh my God, I'm going to run out of battery and I need to call somebody later. How am I going to do this? You just put it in low power mode and it works fine. It's not like it suddenly goes to black and white. I mean, it works fine.'s not like it suddenly goes to black and white and

i mean it's it's it works fine it's just not doing a lot of stuff in the background at that point just talking about uh youtube i want to give a upgrade listeners a great tip that federico gave to me on virtual i've put a link in the show notes to a third-party youtube app called Uplayer and it has picture in picture. Huh. And it's a very good app. You can search for stuff but also if you copy a YouTube link and open the app it's like hey do you want to watch this video?

It sees it on the clipboard and you can watch it picture in picture. I don't really know how this app exists but it does. Yeah well. But it does. Lots of well. But it does. Lots of interesting things happen. Yep. So there you go. You can go and get that one if you want to.

And I will just keep sitting and waiting for Mailbox and for Google Docs and Tweetbot. And then I will be happy again. Maybe. And I'll also keep waiting for my Apple Watch to update. And then I will be happy again. I want to talk about something that might be upsetting you, but I don't know yet. But before we do that, let's

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So I would just like to have a quick addendum. Apple News is not available in the UK. There are ways that you can make it available, but I've decided to stop doing that. Like you can change your region, but I've decided to stop doing that. Like, you can change your region, but I stopped doing that when Apple Pay came out because I didn't want to screw with anything there. But it's currently not available in the UK. There are reports and hints that it will be coming with iOS 9.1,

but currently it's not available outside of the US, which I don't fully understand why like i don't know if apple is aware that the internet is available across the world um but it seems like not because it seems like basically in 9.1 the reason that people think that it's going to be in the uk is that some UK publications are going to be are in there like they're in there in 9.1 if you're running the beta but I don't fully understand why Apple think that like Wired and CNET like are they not international public anyway so I'm interested what you think about using it and also what it's been like to try and put your content into it oh um apple news doesn't feel done to me it feels like a beta it feel and i think i feel like i'm being generous i think i i don't quite i don't know i don't want to i don't want to come off

as too harsh here but it doesn't it it doesn't feel done it uh it um as a user it seems kind of like a mess i i don't i can't envision myself using that as my source for news um it seems complicated and weird and um i don't understand some of the ways it presents information and because because i have my own site i can look at the content from my own site and be baffled about what it's putting where and why, what images it's showing. I'll have articles with good images attached to them, and those will be like down on the page with only text. And then I'll have articles that are just short and have nothing in them.

And they'll use those with a thumbnail of the site logo, which doesn't make any sense to me. So I'm a little baffled by that. They have this Apple News. The documentation is almost non-existent for what you feed as a publisher to Apple News. So it's very hard. They've got my RSS feed and it's in there. There's this Apple News format for publishers that on the day that they announced this, they had a sign up for, hey, you can sign up and we'll let you know

when we have that information. It's coming real soon. And it still hasn't showed up for anybody who's signed up for that. So they've got their partners that they're working with. I get the feeling that maybe the partners are essentially beta testing this format. And the reason that other people don't have it is that it's going to change and break. Can you explain what the difference is? Because your content's in there, but you don't have access to the tools. Apple News Format, like Wired, did that custom story that's got some crazy art and stuff on it about the architect of World Trade 2 in New York. And that was an exclusive on Apple News over the weekend.

And they're using a special format that is native to Apple News that lets it do kind of fancy stuff. Most of the other stuff in there is just coming from an RSS feed. So they're taking, you know, six colors content in there. I've given them the address of my RSS feed

and they suck that in and then display that in Apple News. And that's what they do. So there's these two tiers. And I'm happy to work on making my site more friendly to Apple News, but Apple seems to not be ready for that yet. And I understand that. They're working on it. But it feels like they're still struggling to get this locked down. Um, and I've heard from

people who know people who are involved in this, that, um, that that's true, that they're still, it's that it's kind of a mess and they're still working on it. And, uh, it's a work in progress. And I don't know, it, this, this strikes me as one of those apps that, uh, had to ship because OS nine was shipping and they said it would ship with it, but it just doesn't, it doesn't feel and i don't know this this strikes me as one of those apps that uh had to ship because os9 was shipping and they said it would ship with it but it just doesn't it doesn't feel like it's it's all the way there yet and you know hopefully we'll see updates that improve it but of course it's on the os uh install which means that i believe they can't update it except when there's an os update which is kind of bad.

I mean, they can do things on the back end with their servers, but the app itself, I don't know, it's trying to be flip-forward. Well, I guess they can still give you the tools, though, right? Like, the tools can come to you at any point. Sure, unless they need to make app changes to support the format. But if they just are changing the format or locking down the format and eventually they'll share it, that's fine. I mean, I'm not too bent out of shape that I don't have access to that format other than that I see my content and I'm like, is there something I can do to make this look better and to make it make more

sense in Apple news? And I just, I don't, I don't know because I don't have any of that information as a user though. I mean, bottom line, it's a user. I'm baffled by it. I don't think it, I don't think it makes a lot of sense. Um, the, the, the keywords seem weird. Um, setting favorites seems weird. I mean, maybe if you're somebody who's just never used a flipboard or a news reading app or something like that, there's a, maybe there's a use case where you're just getting basic stuff from it that it, that it is a perfect fit for, but but it just it feels to me like it's um that they're still figuring it out and you know that's fine i i think that's fine but um but i wouldn't say it it feels like a finished concept it feels to me like something that they're still trying to figure out themselves and probably were struggling to get something that they could ship. And the version that's in 9.0, I mean, I can't, I only use it because I want to see what Apple News is like so I can write about it.

And I want to see how my content is being displayed. But it's not like I, I mean, I've opened it a few times and just thought I would never open this app were it not for the fact that as a publisher, I should probably see what my stuff is looking like. And as a person who writes about this, I should stay informed about what's going on with Apple News. But as a regular user, I never look at it and think, oh, this is great. I had a great experience in Apple News. That hasn't happened. is great i had a great experience in apple news that hasn't happened i can't fully understand why anyone will use this well i think the idea is it's a super well first off the the series stuff integrates with it so um if you if you do a search or something and a news link appears now it opens

in apple news i believe yeah i turned that off yeah so me and gray were talking about this If you do a search or something and a news link appears, now it opens in Apple News, I believe. Yeah, I turned that off. Yeah. So me and Gray were talking about this on Cortex. Yeah, you figured that out, yeah. And there are some, I mean, this is some follow-up, there are some negatives to doing it. You lose some of the search term stuff. Like it doesn't do the Bing searches.

It doesn't do sports scores. Like when you type that stuff into the search field is what we're finding out. But both me and Gray have a pretty strict, I don't want to see the news policy. And Apple kind of choosing to just put it in my face is kind of frustrating. And it's more frustrating that I can't just turn that part off. more frustrating that I can't just turn that part off. There's a toggle for news, but it doesn't actually do anything. You have to turn off something called spotlight suggestions.

So I'm happy that it's gone, and to be honest, I don't think I care about the things that I'm losing. But in regards to Apple News, I don't fully understand why... Facebook stuff, the instant article stuff, that I get because it's already in your Facebook timeline anyway. Right. It's just there and they're just making it look nicer and load faster when you tap it. But I don't think I need another app to check news in. And I'm wondering, like like the problem is right so if it's just gonna take all of my

favorite sites and just show me their rss feeds right then that sucks but then it's like these tools are gonna come out but i'm wondering are you gonna want to format everything again and so then it's like if nobody's gonna use it and then nobody's gonna format for it it just ends up in this cycle where it's no one's ever going to. Like I say no one, but like, you know, people that we know and the listeners of this show, like are they ever going to use it? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I would, would I use Apple if people are using Apple News, would I use the Apple News format to do a fancy OS X review or a fancy iPhone review or something?

Maybe. Maybe. Day in, day out, probably not, right? But for special stories, maybe. I think the rationale is that normal people don't use a newsreader. And so what if we create a newsreader for the rest of us? Just for normal people who are never going to download a newsreader of any kind in the app store, maybe we'll do something for them. And it's the typical thing where you think, oh, geez, here comes Apple. That's going to ruin it for the third parties. But the fact is that Apple's implementation is never going to be at the level of care of the third parties. And so there's always an opportunity around the edges. This case, it feels like they're learning to crawl here. And that's the thing is, if you look at every other app that's out there that does this sort of thing,

well, maybe not. There's probably some terrible apps there too. But I could think of several apps that are out there now that do this so much better than Apple News. And yeah, it'll get better over time, unless Apple abandons it. It will hopefully get better over time. But it is weird because there are other apps that do this and do it a lot better. And so hopefully, you know, Apple's thinking that they're playing a long game here. And the idea is that they want to have news integration throughout and have this be a way for people to read stuff that interests them. But it is weird. It is kind of outside Apple's comfort zone. And, you know And it's hard not to read it as being like Apple trying to create a box for all editorial content on the web that doesn't require a web browser and lives in a

browser that they control and that everybody monetizes with iAd while they're also doing content blocking on Safari. It is not that far to go to say that that's really what the motivator here is. It's not a grand conspiracy to to drive people into news because content blockers exist. I don't think that that's necessarily what's going on here. But I do think that there is this feeling of like, we can create a better experience for reading in our own app and then we'll let publishers make money by using iAd. And I'm not sure that is a realistic scenario on any front. Yeah, because publishers can still show their own ads,

which aren't blocked by content blockers and they aren't using i ads so it doesn't whilst i understand the argument it feels like apple is still providing the same amount of tools to provide the same terrible experience yeah it's weird it's it's a weird what it is is it's a weird rss reader it's a weird flipboard like thing but it's from the platform vendor which is why it's important but it's so weirdly built. I don't know. It's a strange product. I really, I keep coming back to this. It's just, I don't even know what to say about it other than that. I feel like, you know, to be charitable is to say

it's a work in progress and, and, and, you know, they need to keep on working on it. But, um, I didn't entirely understand it when it was announced and seeing the final version of it i still don't think i understand why this was a good idea and um yeah i'm not i'm not ready to chalk it up to being a complete mistake that apple should never have released it uh because they may yet find ways to make it um make more sense but right now i I just, it seems like a weird, potentially overreaching kind of product that the world didn't really need it. There wasn't really a crying, you know, demand for it from Apple. And yet Apple has decided to provide it. So I'm not, you know, why? Why? Why do that? It's weird. Sure. Yeah, I think this is a, this something that i i don't understand i feel like it's probably not

for me i'm not a big newsreader guy anyway yeah um and maybe when when the kinks are ironed out and like for example you could publish a a different version of your uh iphone review with with fancy stuff it might make a bit more sense. And then I might choose to read the articles that I do read there, you know, maybe. Like if you just say like, just click this link and you'll get all of this stuff plus more, I can see, okay, that might make sense if it makes sense, right?

But it only really makes sense as a means to an end, right? Like in Facebook, this is what you said, in Facebook, I'm using Facebook and then there's a link and I read it. Or i'm doing if you don't turn it off i'm doing a spotlight search and an interesting article comes up and i tap and i read it that i can sort of see and that's why apps that that work that way make more sense but when it's like hey i'm gonna i'm gonna open news and see what's going on that's when i i just don't i just don't see it no i don't get it if if there was like uh you know like with this

deep linking stuff if there was a way to allow apps i don't even i'm not even sure what i'm thinking but some way that you could use like on twitter you could select i would like to open these news stories in news rather than in a web browser. Like, you know, you can imagine, I don't know, something like that with selected partners that sign up for the service. Or have a mobile Safari look at a header URL in the page it's loading and discover that there's a news version of it and say, would you like me to display the pretty news version of this story? Then I would probably do that, right? That makes sense to me. And I think I would use it for that. But like as a news reader, like it's basically impossible for Apple to build a news reader for people that read news in a specific way, because everybody has their own ways of wanting to read this stuff.

And I feel like it's a real strange thing. I can't fully get my head around why they're doing it. Is it just because it's like a Cold War with Facebook and Google? Is that what this is? And if it is that, really? It's not a user. Well, this well this is i think maybe why we're struggling to find out what the what the clear user benefit and the clear user demand is for this is that there isn't one and it really is about uh everybody is trying to do something that is not on

the web so that they can control the content inside their own platforms and that's certainly what facebook is doing and you know that and that's certainly what Facebook is doing. And, you know, that, and that's sort of what Apple's thinking here. But that's not a, that's a corporate strategy that I guess you could get behind, but it's not a user-centric approach.

So like, it doesn't even make sense to me, like why Apple would try and fight it. Like I get why Facebook would do it and I get why Google will do it because it fits within their warehouse because it's based around advertising. But I don't get the push for iAd in all

of this when iAd has just gone down the drain anyway. If you look at the ads that pop up there... It does feel like this is coming from the same kind of poisoned portion of Apple from which the iad strategy also emanates which is a broken weird uh part of part of apple that you know this this seems just as misguided

in that way i had ads use advertise the same kind of shady and weird stuff that we complain about in web ads they just do it in a constrained way in the bottom of the screen but right like it's free to play games and stuff like that so it's like oh i don't know i'm angry today jason yeah it's a grumpy grumpy mic day well if there was ever anything to be grumpy about, I think Apple News would be a good one because yeah, I don't, yeah. I, I, I, not a, not a big fan. Gotta say it. I was listening to ATP just before this and they had feedback

that they were being really grumpy in their previous episode. And now I feel like I've just done the same. I am happy to report that after a reboot of my watch, watchOS 2 is currently installing indeed thank you everyone i don't know anyway so that's where we are with that grumpy mic let's do some ask upgrade maybe that would cheer me up uh jason can you please good idea so our listeners about fanduel all right so ask ask upgrade this uh this week brought to by FanDuel. If you are a human living in North America, you have seen the ads for FanDuel.

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Let's go to Ask Upgrade. Our first question this week comes from Jimmy. Why do podcasters use fancy mic setups, but all these interview TV shows get by on lav mics? Which are the lavalier mics, or the little clip-on microphones that you see, like on somebody's tie or on somebody's shirt. My understanding of this stuff, which i know very little is that they are way better than you think they are yeah these are extremely expensive to get there you can buy a

you can buy well before radio shack went out of business you could buy a 30 25 laugh mic at radio shack that was uh battery power and was okay But you can get, yes, very good, very expensive lav mics. Also, in a lot of those cases, they're in a studio environment. So they have complete control over the audio in that environment. Whereas a lot of podcasters are using microphones in echoey rooms of their house because they can buy a better microphone more readily than they can build a studio in their home. But the stuff that you see on TV, that's expensive stuff. That's not the cheap stuff. And the expensive stuff is really good. So that's probably, you know, those lav mics are engineered very well and not cheap to get that sound.

Bob would like to know, do you know of any way to keep an app out of multitasking on the ipad i have an ipad air and don't want all of my apps in there like tips for example i would say you're stuck but if you rarely use an app it's going to stay at the back and how likely are you to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling so i i think bob don't worry you you won't see tips because it will stay right at the back of the queue and you just never have to look at it. I think that interface is not going to hold up well. No, no, no. The big icons with names that you have to scroll through to find an app to put in Split View or in Slide Over, it's not a very efficient interface.

It's fine when there are eight and less fine when there are 80. But what I do really like about that is if you have, for example, you have the Twitter app in the slide over view and then you go back to the home screen and open another app. If it also supports multitasking,

it keeps the app that's in the mini view or on the right-hand side, it keeps it in view. Am I making sense? So the app that you have on the right, if you go to the home screen and open another app that also supports hyper-multitasking, it keeps the app that was previously on the right

and just replaces the one on the left. I think that is very smart, and that is people using the device, understanding how to make it work. I mentioned this earlier while you were being frustrated by your Apple watch, I think. Oh, sorry. And my problem with it is that sometimes you don't want that. And I think that's one of the negative things about the split view is that you switch to another app and you want a different context where you have the whole app there and that doesn't stay, you know, the split view stays. So there are times when it's good and there are times when it's, it's, it's less good.

And that's why I think slide over is potentially more interesting than, than split view, just because the slide over kind of comes and goes on demand. Whereas the split view, they're both in your face the whole time. But it's, it's, it's Apple has thought about how people are going to use it and now we'll find out how people actually use it and then i think we'll learn a lot and apple will learn a lot and then we'll see some tweaks to it you know next year um next up on the list comes from dean uh will jason share or does he even know is what I would ask, how many people visit Six Colors with a U

versus the American spelling? I don't measure it. There's a redirect that happens at the domain level and I have no measurement on. I'm not intercepting the redirects and counting them. So my guess is nobody uses it with a U because who would do that? Clint would like to know, why does

Apple hate podcasts so much? Specifically, why does the podcast app no longer support playlists or full-screen videos? So, I am typically the first person to complain about the podcast app. I have had

an affair with it over time which has not been good. But actually, in this scenario, there have been some big improvements to the podcast app in iOS 9, and Federico did a great job of summing those up in his review. I just think the team that make this app

are focusing on different areas rather than video podcasts or playlists. They are making show notes and links a lot better and they're supported a lot better and there's a much better view for those. The unplayed list has been significantly cleaned up and enhanced. It has some good stuff like it will show you it breaks things down into like time periods where it's like, you know, in the last week or in the last month or in the last year. Right. So it shows you that, which I think is really cool. And also they have a new mini player, which looks like the music app. So when I look at this now,

I feel like the podcast app is becoming the app for people that aren't obsessive. So when you think about it, can you imagine how many Overcast users really need to know if they've not listened to an episode of in the last Year. But I feel like for people that are not too heavy on this stuff, that is more useful in a way. This was a show that was downloaded this month because your list of shows

is like four shows, not like 60 shows. Yeah, it's... I think the writing is on the wall that uh most people who are developing podcasting apps are viewing podcasting as very specifically um audio and like overcast doesn't even support video podcasts it's clear that Apple is not focused on video podcasts with this update. And for people who watch video podcasts, that is frustrating. Hopefully, there are apps out there that still take care of you and that maybe you can use those apps. But I think the general view in podcasting and internet content creation circles is that

people are watching videos on YouTube. And, you know, they're streaming videos, and the downloading videos as podcasts is problematic, and it's harder to make money. If you're trying to make money off of them, it's very expensive to pay for the bandwidth. And so for publishers, you know, a lot of them are using streaming services to do this stuff. And podcasts great growth has been in the audio format. So I feel like video podcasts is a thing that is perfectly capable and some people love it, but it's not as widely liked. And when they're focusing on like, what is a podcast, the video podcasts tend not to be prioritized. So yeah, I think Apple doesn't hate podcasts so much i think apple doesn't is indifferent to video podcasts

so the next question comes in from landon and landon would like to know do you think we'll see updated watch hardware in april or in the fall to align closer to the iphone's update cycle my gut feeling is that we won't see a new Apple Watch internals until at least next fall. That's what I think. I think when they're going to get through this holiday season, I don't think they're going to need a refresh or even want to refresh before the next holiday season, assuming, unless they like panic and feel like, oh my God, we need to get new hardware out there because this isn't going well. And we've got some great new hardware that's going to be great and people are going to love it. I think it's much more likely that they're going to they're going to take it, take it slower, take a year and a half at least.

But it's hard to imagine them getting through another holiday season without some sort of hardware refresh. So so that would be my guess. It's possible. I don't know about the odds. It's possible that we'll get something in the spring, but I just think it's more likely that that'll happen in the late summer or in the fall just to get them ready for the holidays. Unless there's like a bandwidth issue where it's like literally, we need to start making these things and announce it earlier because we can't do that and the iPhone and the iPad and all of that. But, you know, my guess is that everything that can be on a fall cycle is on a fall cycle. Also, it's paired with the iPhone.

So being able to release it and the iPhone together is, I think, where they want to be. That's my guess. What do you think? I originally would have said April because I think there's too much in the fall and I know why they do everything in the fall I think eventually this is going to be a problem

if they keep adding new products and keep only releasing them in September like that I don't know that seems like a really weird business but I guess it works for them because they make billions and billions and billions of dollars every quarter but do you know what I mean it just feels like

so much right you're doing everything you know like they did everything in one event like a week and a bit ago I feel like if you had to add to had to add a new watch hardware on top of that, I feel like you are starving everyone

for attention and money by doing it all at the same time. But we'll see if it works for them. I would be maybe a bit more I think it would be more likely that they would release in April and then do like what they did with the iPad that time and then have a very, very small update in the fall,

which then puts them on a full release. Do you remember when they did that? They announced the original iPad. They wanted to change the iPad schedule. So did that. Was it like the iPad 4 or the new iPad, whatever they called it? There was one of them was like basically just nobody bought it. It was the 4. Well, they did the 3, which was the first Retina one. And then the next spring, they did an update for it because it was so underpowered.

Yep. And they put the new connector on as well, didn't they? If I remember, if I get my timeline right. You got it. So I think they might do something like that. Maybe do the second one in April and then maybe move it again either this, that year or the year after. That's my feeling. Plus, I don't know if there's a specific time that you want to be doing fashion products that aren't Christmas. to be doing fashion products that aren't Christmas. Yeah, it's true. Well, like I said, I think how they sell at the holidays is going to be an interesting indication. Also, how many of these do they think they can sell and how often can they sell you a new one? I think that's a real question. I think that this is, I'm probably wrong, but the contrarian in me wants to say,

I think the Apple Watch is going to be on a much slower hardware cycle because people aren't going to buy a new watch every couple of years so the the refresh like with the ipad there's going to be a long lag and that you're better off making new as we've seen new body materials new watch band materials've seen, new body materials, new watch band materials, maybe even some new body shapes without substantially upgraded features. You know, and again, it wouldn't surprise me if they stealth update the features where everything gets a little bit better, the battery life gets a little bit better, but they don't tell anybody. It's just, it's just a slipstream kind of upgrade.

It wouldn't surprise me if they say, well, this, this body is shaped differently. It's got a little different styling, but it's essentially the same features inside. That's something I think they could do. And then when it comes time to do a second Apple Watch, what features really make it stand out? It needs to be more than just that sneaky slipstream upgrade. What are you going to do to make this that much more impressive? And what features are those? And are those ready yet? And are those going to be ready? I mean, do you not bother doing another Apple Watch until you can put in a cellular radio? I don't know. But I think it's worth asking that question. Like, is this the kind of product that updates incrementally? And are those increments so small that it's almost like not even worth

discussing it um or is this something that has a huge change every year or two and can they sell those and will that will that drive sales and will that make you know upset the people who bought the old one a year ago or not um i don't know if i I had to bet, I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it, but I would bet that Apple's going to either take it very slow or it's going to be sliding in like little upgrades here and there and not doing the

every year we'll do a new Apple Watch with a new banner feature like an iPhone. It just doesn't feel right to me. I don't think that's what they're going to do. Brian would like to know, and you mentioned it again today, so now I'm really intrigued that you're writing in microsoft word on the ipad um and you have really nice things to say about it

could you discuss why you're doing this and using it over some other applications uh i was looking for a writing app that was capable and microsoft word was available and so i used it and it was because i have Office 365 and running on iOS 9 at that point I had some betas of some other apps that weren't working very well. I don't use Pages so Brian was asking versus Pages. I'll use it. I also like to try to use these things from time to time just to see. I'm not a big fan of Pages in any of its incarnations, so I haven't bothered with that. It was funny that I ended up in Microsoft Word, but, you know, it auto-syncs to the cloud, and then I can open it back on my desktop, and so I decided to go that route. I tried some text editor that was saving to Dropbox, and it ate some of my words,

and I was very unhappy with it, and I decided I would try a different app, and I ended up in Word. You know, I'm not endorsing Word. I don't do all my writing in Microsoft Word on the iPad. That certainly doesn't happen. But I did write that iOS 9 piece about multitasking on the iPad primarily in Word with the Bluetooth keyboard.

Awesome. And Aaron wanted to know I like this one. Yeah. For the love of all that is holy, why isn't settings available in split screen or slide over? And there's a bunch of Apple apps on, which is surprising to me. But it's probably for the same reason that there are still a bunch of apps on the 6 Plus that are Apple apps that don't do landscape. I think, yeah, part of it is that they didn't want to do the work, there's like too many other things to do and part of it is philosophical maybe they're saying look

productivity apps get get split screen but you know why would you ever want to use settings and split screen like you use settings is meant to be entered you change your settings and you leave it you don't keep it floating around now if you're somebody who changes your settings all the time having settings and slide over actually kind of makes sense to me. But split screen, split view, that seems weird to me. But hey, Aaron, if you want to do it for all that is holy, yeah, that's my guess is that they didn't want to put the effort into it because they had other things to work on

and that they didn't consider to put the effort into it because they had other things to work on and that they didn't consider it a priority because it's not really a productivity app, the settings app. You keep it handy for when you need it, but you're not flipping in and out of it all the time, or at least theoretically you're not. So

as we draw this episode to a close, my Apple Watch is rebooting. Yay! It may have installed OS 2. It may not have. I don't know. I guess I'll wait and see what happens when it comes back on again.

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