Upgrade - 92: WWDC 2016 Draft

Episode Date: June 7, 2016

Jason and Myke predict the contents of WWDC 2016 in the first annual Upgrade Keynote Draft. How many of our picks are based on deep knowledge of the industry, and how many are wish fulfillment? Next week will tell the tale.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode number 92 today's show is brought to you by the lovely folk over at casper squarespace and pingdom my name is mike hurley and i'm joined by mr jason snail hello jason snail hi mike it's good to be back talking to you. Last week, we did our special pre-taped holiday edition. And we're a day late this time because you were off gallivanting around Spain, around Catalonia. But we're back. And it's good because next week, we will be together in San Francisco for WWDC. We sure will.

together in San Francisco for WWDC. We sure will. So that can only mean one thing today, that we are going to talk about WWDC rumors and expectations. However, dear listener, we are doing something slightly different today. We are going to be doing a WWDC rumor draft, the first annual upgrade WWDC rumor draft. Okay, sure, first annual upgrade WWDC rumor draft. Okay, sure.

First annual, right? The upgrade is pointed out that first annual was the right way to go because we did it again. So I'm going to explain that to you in just a moment about how we're going to go about doing all of that today. But we do have a couple of small items of the follow-up. And Jason, I believe you need to make some kind of public apology. Yeah, I'm a terrible person um i i mentioned les miserables and said that it was about the french revolution but it

said after that the fact is i haven't seen les miserables as my as my um wife pointed out this morning the 90s musical that i saw when i was in new york city was phantom of the opera oh wow that's quite so an interesting mistake to make. So I miss, well, it was like, it was, it was actually about to start when I was outside the theater next to the hotel that I was staying at. And I was alone and was like, I will just go in and see a Broadway show for, you know, at Standing Room for some ridiculously cheap price. And the show happened to be the Phantom of the Opera but anyway so I haven't seen Les Mis and uh and uh my wife was watching the carpool

karaoke with James Corden this morning and uh and a bunch of Broadway stars because the Tony Awards are coming up and they were singing a song from Les Mis and I was like yeah I don't know that song so anyway I got that wrong I have seen Les Mis but I don't know enough about the history of Les Mis to have corrected you it's French people it was all pretty much just the French Revolution for like 100 years, right? Yeah, sure. I think they're still doing it. I'm terrible. I don't know anything about musicals or French history. I apologize. The other bit of follow-up we have, which is in the category of follow-up we're not going to

follow up about, which is just this news we had some podcasting business news we've been talking a little bit about the business of podcasting the last few weeks and um our friends at mid-roll including mr lex friedman who was on this very show a few weeks ago bought stitcher the podcast ish playing app for four and a half million dollars four and a half million dollars is not a lot of money for a company that had like well they bought it from deezer who bought out stitcher uh not too long ago deezer is like a spotify but in in europe it's not really known in the u.s um and uh it looks like either deezer had some cash flow issues or just decided it was not a direction they want to go in and

we'll talk about this. And sometime down the road, I think we'll revisit the business of podcasting thing now is not the time. But I'm intrigued by that sale price, because that says something to me. I'm not quite sure whether it says something about Deezer or something about viewing the business model of this and deciding maybe that music discovery streaming companies don't really fit with podcasts, which I would argue, or whether it says something about the value of Stitcher that it was sold for a song, essentially. But regardless, Midroll, Lex's company, which is a podcast network and an ad sales network, is now also the owner of this

app that plays podcasts, although in a nonstandard way where they're kind of like gobbling up your files and re-encoding them and putting ads in between them and stuff like that. But it's an interesting development and definitely something for us to perhaps discuss with Lex at some point down the road, but not now. Yeah, I want to reserve judgment on this one a little bit um i think that on paper uh for the openness of podcasts that we've been speaking about even when lex was on it seems like a bad thing uh but i want to see what midroll do with it before i i cost a judgment but if i was gonna make a guess um it would be so they're able to collect more data

to sell for their advertisers, which we know mid-roll would like because Lex told us so. This gives them a way to do that. We'll see how it ends up playing out. Yeah, Marco and John Gruber have both reacted negatively to this, which is not surprising.

I've never been a fan of Stitcher, but I view this and think, you know, I'm not entirely sure that mid-roll isn't going to make Stitcher better because I think mid-roll is less interested in Stitcher's kind of weird total control, re-encode your streams kind of approach, and maybe more concerned with data. Yeah, with understanding the data. But the bottom line is, Stitcher's only a few percent of the podcast market, a small percentage. And their demographics, Midrell's going to be able to tell what the behavior of Stitcher listeners is. But Stitcher listeners aren't like other listeners. So they're going to get behavioral data about some segment of the podcast market.

But that doesn't necessarily mean it's behavioral data that can be portable to other parts of the podcast market, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's behavioral data that can be portable to other parts of the podcast market. So I'm also going to wait and see. It is in the mid-roll's best interest to try and attract as many podcast creators as possible into the Stitcher platform. So I'm interested to see what they do with it, right? Because as you say,

they currently have a specific type of person who listens in Stitcher, as opposed to the, you know, all apps have their own specific types. You know, I bet Overcast skews more technology show. I bet the iTunes app skews more NPR, but they're bigger audience-wise, I would say, than Stitcher are.

Oh, by far, by far, I would far i would say so you know it would be interesting to see what the mid-roll do i mean we are not on stitcher we have never been on stitcher at relay fm uh we just didn't like some of the terms in their contract agreements that they that they make you sign to be as part of their platform uh whilst we have signed agreements with other companies you know like google and spotify we are more comfortable with those companies and those agreements we take it on like a you know company by company basis we'll see what the middle will do i would be interested if they're able to create a platform that is as open as you can make a platform well let's see

also i would say and i know this seems maybe not intuitive, but, you know, we were talking about NPR type other, you know, leading professional podcasters wanting more data. And Midroll wants more data, too, no doubt, because the advertisers want more data. And as Lex said, they want data and are being sold data that doesn't even exist in some cases. But Midroll also has been very committed to the concept that we have here at Relay and that I do on The Incomparable, which is that these are ads that are read by the hosts in the host voice. They have not introduced pre-taped radio ads. radio ads. They have not introduced a product that goes through and auto dynamically inserts radio ads in the middle of podcasts based on when you listen and where you listen. There's a lot of really junky, sleazy ad approaches to podcasts that are out there. And none of those have been ones that I've heard Midroll espouse. So although they are a big company, owned by a big company, you know, owned by a big company, and they definitely want user data because they want

to reach advertisers, that's the business they're in. I'm not sure they're the ones that I'm concerned about. But as Marco and John did point out quite rightly, an advertising vendor owning the listening platform is a very peculiar way to do things. And maybe on paper isn't the best, right? It feels like maybe that their interests would skew differently. Well, I think you could say that about Midroll in general, that they are, because they came, Midroll's story is that they came out of a podcast network and they were a podcast network with their own sales team and they decided to sell other podcasts.

So they have Earwolf, the podcast network, and then they have Midroll, which came out of Earwolf. So that is weird in and of itself, right? Because they are, they have their own podcast that they're selling ads for and they're selling ads for other podcasts, including mine, including The Incomparable. They sell the ads for The Incomparable. And they used to sell some ads for Rel they're selling ad ads for other podcasts including mine including the incomparable they sell the ads for the incomparable um and they used to sell some ads for relay too um and i always thought that was a little bit weird and potentially a conflict of interest that they're a content provider with their own slots that they're trying to sell ads into and do they you know there are

lots of arguments there about like are they giving the best slots and is it just sort of leftovers or are they really trying to build a business that is neutral about this? But this gets thrown in there too, which is like they're trying to do a lot and it's unclear how these things work together or if they should. So it'll be interesting to see. I will welcome Lex Friedman back to the show. Yeah, love to have him back. The not too distant future. If he wants to talk about this. Lex, our door is open. We enjoyed our last discussion.

We'd love to hear what you have to say. But today we have even more exciting stuff to talk about. So let me run down with you, dear listener, the rules of engagement for the first annual Upgrade WWDC draft. We have 28 rumors that have been added to a list by me and Jason. So we've been collating this list over the last week or so. It's things that we expect to happen or things that have been espoused as likely to happen. So we have been adding them to a long list. We will each take turns picking from this selection until we

have put together our own list of 14 we ended up with 14 rumors each um and then after the wwdc announcement on monday on the keynote we will be able to score who picked yeah the most things that ended up coming true and crown the first ever w upgrade wwdc draft winner on episode 93 so that is the rules for today's draft so incomparable does a lot of drafts and if people don't know this is like in in in professional sports they often when people are coming out of uh high school or college they will all the teams take turns picking the players and then they own the rights to those players and they can sign them and it and then fantasy sports does that uh you know every year you pick who's on your your football team and the incomparable we do it with silly things like uh television characters or

whatever um but i'm a little uneasy about the idea that we're going to pick a winner from the draft because i don't you know i don't want to be held to a standard but apparently i am going to be and also because i think feel fundamentally everybody wins when you draft things. But anyway, we are going to still do that. We're all winning, but there has to be one of us that will win the most. And that will be Crown next time. In my opinion, there has to be a winner because then next year the Crown can be challenged. All right.

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Go to pingdom.com slash upgrade for a 14-day free trial, and use upgrade at checkout to get 20% off. Thank you so much to Pingdom for their support of the first annual upgrade, WWDC draft. Now, we need to decide who is going to go first first so i think we need to do some kind of coin flip okay do you have a coin uh no but i have random.org why don't you go to random.org random.org is the place you go whenever you need a random number chosen for you at random uh i'm going to pick uh i'm going to pick a number do you want evens or odds i'll take odds and the number is 49 you get to go first excellent so my first pick for the upgrade wwdc draft is

first annual first annual thank you so much for reminding me i'm gonna say that os 10 will be renamed mac os oh mike that was gonna be my pick i know it was that's why i picked it first because i really feel like this is gonna happen this is a jason was right i to my memory you're the first person to mention this uh and i have been along this bandwagon with you. This seems so obvious now. Just the fact that we have Mac OS and an X right for the 10. And then you have the lineup of everything else, which has got some kind of conformity in style and in the way that it's written. You know, like they all look the same.

They're all written the same. They all sound the same. You have the written the same. They all sound the same. They all have the lowercase stuff. It's all one word. It just seems strange that we have one of them out of the four or five now that there is that's not in this style. It just seems so obvious that they're going to do it. Yeah. So I've got some questions.

I've got some follow-up questions for you that we'll get into the details. It's your pick. You got it. You get all of the variations here. But I have-up questions for you um that that we'll get into the details it's your pick you got it you get all of the variations here but i have a couple questions for you one is do you think it will be mac os lowercase m-a-c capital os one word or do you think it will be mac os sort of keeping the capital m and the space that's that's question number one what do you think there oh a case one would okay interesting otherwise what's the point well i'm not well i mean do they need to adhere quite that closely? They're almost never listed together.

Mac OS with a capital M is the name. Also, Mac is the product. The Mac is a product in a way that TV or i or watch isn't quite the product. It's Apple Watch, Apple TV, and iPhone, iPad. isn't quite the product it's apple watch apple tv and and uh and uh iphone ipad um so i think they could call it mac os uh and capitalize it and maybe put the space and i think it's a possibility although again maybe this is just me denying i have to say when i look at people talking about this and saying this the people that are like it it's going to be Mac OS capital M with a space are the people that use Mac OS before. I think that there is an element of like not wanting to let go.

The odds, I mean, the odds that people like me and Gruber are going to just defy it if it's called Mac OS, one word with a lowercase m and just continue just begin to call it mac os again with capital m and a space uh i i'd say those odds are pretty good well it's like the fact that we call them ipads and not like a bushel of ipad or whatever devices yeah the apple wants to call it branded tablet devices but i do think though that you would end up eventually giving in because it is the product name. You're giving it a different name. Not the product, but it's the name of the OS. It might be for a while you just hold on tight to what you feel is right, but eventually

we're going to have to let go of it. Okay. So the next question I have for you is, um, what's, what is the version number? Is it Mac OS 10.12? Is it Mac OS 11? Or as somebody on Twitter pointed out to me today, is it Mac OS 12? Because it's currently 10.11. So you'd go 10.9, 10.10, 10.11 12 what do you think? No really I don't think

they're going to put a number like in the marketing. Well I mean they do iOS iOS 9 right? Yeah I just don't think they're going to do it with macOS. Are they going to stick with California place names? Yeah So you think it's going to be macOS Monterey Yeah. There will think it's going to be macOS Monterey? Yeah.

There will be a number, right, that it has. Sure, it might say version 11.0 or even version 10.12 in the about box, but you're saying no marketing name. No marketing name. No marketing number. Yeah, because I think it's not important. And I also think that once, I think next year. Good argument. I think it's not important. And I also think that once I think next year Good argument. I think it's not important.

They've shown that the number's not important now because they've gone to 1011. The number doesn't mean anything anymore. But it is important for, they use it in marketing for all of their other operating systems. So if they're truly going to be parallel, would they not use a number? So this is my other part. I think that iOS 11 will not be called 11.

I think they're going to go to 10 and that's it. Because I think once you get to a certain point and the numbers just get too high. So I think they'll go to iOS 10 and then they'll change the name. Well, you know, Android uses their lettering scheme with a clever name. And the Mac has just had these nicknames. Would iOS end up with nicknames? Or are they just going to call it iOS and not even talk about the new iOS for 2016?

I think they'll give it a name like they did with the California place names because they came up with that, right? They came up with the California place name thing kind of for no reason. Like they just wanted to give a name to OS X because the numbers were getting ridiculous, I think. So they were done with the cats,

and they were just like, let's not go to numbers. Let's actually go and give it some names. So I think they'll either do that for iOS, and I'm still holding on to Apple OS at some point where I think that they will just converge them anyway. Not like the OSs, but I think they'll converge the branding in some way. I don't think it's going to remain iOS forever,

but that's my own weird little pet thought. But I do think that this will be Mac OS and then whatever, Golden Gate or something. I have no idea about the name. I don't know enough about California. So I have a little, I also have a thing I'm going to put out there that again is not a, I would say not a pickable thing. So we're going to roll it in here

to the first pick in the draft, which is, I still wonder, and maybe it's not this year, but I still feel like it's possible that Apple is going to seriously de-emphasize their versioning and make it about, and then, you know,

because the versioning is, I think, not very valuable for them for marketing reasons. It's good to communicate to developers, but given that all os updates are free and they can push out os updates all the time and now they can push out betas for users as well as developers all the time i'm starting to wonder if we will get maybe not this year, maybe next year to a point where this, I mean,

what you said about maybe the numbers don't matter. Like that's the point where the numbers really don't matter. Cause we're not going to even talk about it anymore. It's continuously going. We're going to keep doing releases and you can expect that there's going to be a milestone release that happens that gets announced at WWDC. But what it is doesn't matter because we'll also be doing releases in the fall and in the winter and in the spring or whatever

right so I think that's a question is I feel like whether they come out and say it or not that that this is maybe a direction that they're going to to just more continual development of the OS maybe a direction that they're going to just more continual development of the OS, making it less about like, we're going to make big news. It's also bad for them. I think it's terrible. I know it's necessary because you have to talk to the developers and everything Apple says is covered, but I'm not sure it's really in Apple's best interest to tell the public about these awesome features that aren't available for three months or four months. Like, it's much, people don't, they'll forget by the time they come out.

And all you'll do is frustrate them. They're like, oh, the iPhone does this thing. Oh, not yet. Oh, okay. So it'll be interesting to see in general. Apple is, they're steering the ship, right? And we don't know quite where they're going yet, but it'll be interesting to see.

And I do, I'm with you. Thank you for picking the Jason was right pick. Back OS. What's your first pick? All right, for my first pick in the WWDC draft, I've got a bunch of choices here. So part of the draft strategy is that you want to pick things that the other person might pick

like you did even if there's something that you like better it's not available for you if somebody else picks it so I'm gonna go with iPad multitasking improvements guess what number that was on my list

two? number two in your face Hurley iPad multitasking improvements. Guess what number that was on my list. Two. Number two. Ha, ha, ha. In your face, Hurley. You got me. You got me. So iPad multitasking improvements.

Not iPhone multitasking. That one's still on the board. But iPad multitasking. So last year, the iPad got some love from the iOS update for the first time in a long time, including all these multitasking features that are not available on the iPhone. They're only available on the iPad. And when they announced it,

only the iPad Air 2 existed and could support them. We're like, oh, well, okay. And I bought an iPad Air 2 because I wanted to have something that could run this thing. Well, now we've got an iPad Pro and another iPad Pro. And even the iPad Mini, the new iPad Mini can do this. But the iPad Pro makes this even more interesting. But it was a first take last year.

So lots of stuff could be better. The app picker could be better. be better. The app picker could be better. The ability to perhaps connect a couple of apps so that they can run, they're paired together and they open simultaneously. Right now, the right side app is always the same until you manually change it to be something else. There's no drag and drop, which is understandable for version one, but wouldn't it be great if you could drag data from the left side to the right side or vice versa um and uh the ability to possibly either run the same app into in in split screen or update some apps so that they're essentially running themselves in split screen however you want to cut that but like be able to have two safari windows open at once wouldn't

that be nice um instead of having like fake apps that fake out safari just so that you can run them in the sidebar uh so those are my highlights but uh just overall i'm gonna say more better multitasking features please i think i think the reason that this is for me a sure winner is the way that iOS and the iPad Pro has started to make serious inroads into people doing more work on iOS. I think that this is something that's definitely out in the press now. So I think people are focusing on it more. More and more people are doing this.

Me and you, obviously, and so many of the other people that we know are using the iPad Pro more and more. And I believe it is because fundamentally the changes made to iOS 9 to improve the iPad's ability to do stuff. And I think that having it been a year since people have kind of got to grips with the way that this works, I think that we can so easily see ways that it should be improved. I have high hopes that Apple have seen some real big changes that can be made here.

Just to make one thing smoother, the ability of finding applications to launch in the split screen should be a lot smoother, as you say, but also to add additional functionality like drag and drop and stuff like that. I think that this is going to be something that is going to end up being a big point here.

I think we're going to see some really, really great stuff from iPad multitasking. So that is a very solid pick, Mr. Snell. Thank you. My second draft pick, I'm going back to the Mac. Oh, good. Just like Apple did way back when. Exactly. OS X will get Siri support. to pick i'm going back to the mac oh good just like apple did way back when exactly uh os 10

will get serious support uh okay this is this is a rumor so you're you're playing you're you're getting some uh you're getting some points on the board here by going going with the the reported rumor uh so that's all a good good draft strategy for the win yeah yeah i'm going i'm going for the points here but it seems like an obvious one. I think I expect that your next pick will be probably something Siri related. I think Siri is going to be one. Okay, interesting.

I think Siri is going to be one of the big players at WWDC this year. And I think OS X getting Siri support is going to be something that happens mainly because what else are you going to put in OS X or Mac OS is going to be something that happens mainly because what else are you going to put in OS X or macOS that you can actually put on the side of a box if there was such a thing to say that this is what this OS has and Siri support is one of the last things left I think for macOS to get to make it as well-rounded as it can be in the Apple ecosystem.

Every other Apple device has it the mac does not so i think it's time i agree although i mean so so i wrote a thing about this yesterday on six colors actually about we're doing this week our like wish lists of stuff dan and i are for the for the uh for for wwc we're doing our wishlist this week. And the, the theme that I came up with actually for a lot of the Mac improvements and Siri was the best example is I want iOS features on the, when they come to the Mac, I want them to be Mac features. And this is the question mark I have is Siri on the Mac. What is that? Is it a thing that lives in the menu bar and a notification center and is walled off from the

rest of the system? Because some of the stuff that they brought to the Mac, like Find My Friends, for example, there is no Find My Friends app on the Mac. You can add a widget to notification center. It lives there. That's it. It's like, it's just walled off. It doesn't interact with the Mac in any way. You can't do anything with it. You can view it. It is an iOS feature imported, but walled off in a little black box. So that's my question about Siri is, is Siri going to let me do useful things on the Mac that are like Mac things? Or is it just going to be a replication of Siri from iOS that also is available on my Mac? Because I'm a lot less excited about it, if that's all it is.

I get why they might do it that way and it would check the box, but it's like I can, and for years have been able to actually on the Mac for like more than a decade, for a lot more than a decade, you've been able to do some rudimentary voice control on the Mac.

And I'm happy for them to chuck that out because it was really rudimentary. But that voice control stuff let you kick off scripts and, you know, automator actions and stuff like that. And I want that. I want the Siri on the Mac to be able to do stuff with my Mac and interact with the apps on my Mac and let me customize things and have them be

triggered. And that's, I think that's an open question about whether it will do any of those things that are like fundamentally Mac things, and I think that's an open question about whether it will do any of those things that are like fundamentally Mac things or whether it's really just going to be a mirror of Siri on iOS kind of locked off and on the side

maybe with some support and a couple of Apple apps I think that if Apple was just going to make this the basic Siri that we already have and it not be OS X flavored in some way, then why did they not do it before? It would seem like such a wasted opportunity and kind of pointless

if all you do is just be like, it can check sports scores, is that what you need? I just feel like it would be a bit of a weird choice, unless it gets feature parity with whatever new series might come. And I'm sure we'll talk about that in a bit. So do you want to pick your next one? Yeah, let's do it. I am going to also shamelessly pick something that's been rumored

and uh and and therefore needs to happen and that is a new macbook pro oh interesting so you're going with the hardware yeah i'm going with the hardware because there have been people as well like in the last few days saying no hardware people always say no hardware wwdc and sometimes there's no hardware wwdc i'll remind you the last major update to the macbook pro the retina macbook pro happened at guess when wwdc yep and the mac pro right but it was like four years ago that the macbook pro i think the retina MacBook Pro came out. It's been a while. It could get thinner and lighter and faster. Somebody was upset with me when I said that on Twitter yesterday. They're like, oh, but I don't want that terrible MacBook One keyboard.

It's like, well, you're not going to get that. None of the rumors say that. The existence of the Magic Keyboard suggests that even Apple is well aware that the MacBook Keyboard may be a little bit pushing it for their pro users, let's say. But I do think it could be thinner and lighter and a little more in line with the MacBook and the MacBook Air in terms of being not as thin as that, but thinner and lighter. Thunderbolt 3, which is also USB-C compatibility. The rumor is that there's that screen, The rumor is that there's that screen, the OLED touchscreen above the keyboard. That's a rumor, too. So that might be in there.

I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude to that. I am skeptical of a touch device on a keyboard because I don't look at my keyboard most of the time. And so forcing my vision down there is not my favorite idea. Then again, it solves the zombie arms problem, right? Which is that Apple firmly believes nobody should be reaching out and holding their arm out and interacting on a Mac screen. That the whole idea is that, you know, you should be interacting down. There's the two perpendicular surfaces and they want you down on the keyboard and the mouse. And so if you put a screen down there, that would be a better place to interact. And I don't think they're wrong about that.

So we'll have to see the details of it, but it's been a while. It's time for some hardware revisions. And just when you say, oh, but it's a developer conference, it's always about software announcements because it's not a major product launch. It's a developer conference. Guess what is a fact about developers? 100% of Apple platform developers

develop on the Mac today because you have to use a Mac to develop iOS apps. You have to, you have to. So that's a great audience to give pro to make a pro announcement to and have them whoop and holler and the time is right so i'm gonna throw it out there i'm gonna yes i will take the risk that perhaps it won't happen uh because i think it will and i think uh and i'm excited about it because it's time it's it's past time the the mac pro and macbook pro both are long on the tooth so i'm gonna say new macbook pros that's my pick i'm fully on board with you i think we're going to see new macbook pros on monday i don't think they're going to ship monday i know that i mean because there's the question of if it does have this new screen in it if it does have touch id in it what about os 10 which doesn't

support these things so i they talked about that on ATP a couple weeks ago, and they were way too skeptical about it. Because the fact is, when new features, like the Retina MacBook Pro, in fact, when new features are rolled out on hardware, there's an interim OS update that supports it. And then there's the proper, you know, and then it has to run that build. And then eventually there's another bug release build that comes after that, and then it can run that build, and then eventually the full version comes that fall. But I don't think that would be, if they have a product ready to ship with Touch ID, let's say, it'll ship with a version of OS X that has the Touch ID stuff in there. And that's just how it'll be. They won't hold that for the fall and hold the hardware. They'll just roll it in. That's how they do it. They've done that since time immemorial. They've done that. So that's what they'll do. Now, they may do. You're exactly right.

This may not even be one of those. It's shipping now or it's shipping Friday or it's shipping next Friday. It may be it starts shipping in July or starts shipping later this summer. That totally could be the case because that product, the existing MacBook Pro is so old that if they, if they have a month even where, um, they're getting those out the door and the new ones coming in, they'll be fine. They'll be fine. All right.

My next pick then, uh, I'm going all in on Siri now, uh, Siri API. All right. Again, another thing long overdue uh i think a siri api is something that we should be seeing now um this you know what was it the was it the iphone 4s that introduced siri yes long time it's been around and i think that there has been enough chatter in the right places to suggest that we're going to see something. I have absolutely no idea what this is going to look like. I know what I want it to look like. I want it to just be Siri controlling applications.

I want developers to have a strong API that they can pick from specific tasks that Siri is able to do. So start relatively small. I'm reminded of the, when multitasking was first introduced, right? It could do like those six things. I'd be totally fine if Siri could do like a small subset of things in applications, but they're things that you would really want it to be doing to start with. And then they can build out from there. I have no idea what could happen with Sirii i think there's going to be big siri changes that bring

the api along with it and puts it on os 10 but i have my fingers crossed i am definitely in the camp that wwdc 2016 the big thing that comes out of it is siri 2.0 i hope so i i think for all the reasons detailed previously including on this show i think we're all waiting for the next leap by Siri. And what we've seen is incremental stuff with Siri. And they do keep adding features, but it doesn't feel like Siri is appreciably different and better but it needs to up its game. I think everybody feels that given all the announcements from Google and what Amazon is doing. And I hope we see that. And the API is a part of that, right? Being able to... One of the great things about the Amazon service is that it has this out, it has this hatch that is the external triggers, they're called skills. And that's huge because then even if it's not native, and the interactions are not as fresh and friendly as they are, if they're native

to built by Amazon, you can get out of it and do stuff and build your own connections. And that's, that's a huge deal. So if Siri is able to connect to iOS apps or web services and basically you've got a third-party story for Siri, I think that could be a huge part of making it a better product. I agree completely. Jason, you're number three. All right, so I'm going to choose, this is a little bit, again,

you've gotten in my head a little bit about wanting to win this, which is making my choices a little bit more practical and a little less wacky. I guess I'll save the wacky for later. There's a lot of wacky in this list. We're going to get to it. So with my third pick, I'm going to pick new 3D touch actions and functionality for the iPhone. actions and functionality for the iPhone. Similar to my iPad multitasking argument, I'm going to say 3D Touch was introduced last year. So what we're seeing is a first take on 3D Touch. And it's been a year. And oftentimes the first take is something you can get out the door that's functional. I wrote an article about how I thought 3D Touch and actually Force Touch on the Mac

are kind of not quite right, that they need to be a little more central. I hope we see that from Apple, a new kind of global approach to how you should handle 3D Touch going forward on iOS. But at the very least, what I want is I want to see some forward progress, some new actions. I want anything that looks like it should reasonably be 3D touchable should be. I'm looking at you, Control Center, right? Control Center is the one that really kills me. It's got a whole bunch of little icons there that you should be able to press on with 3D Touch and get a shortcut to a specific feature of whatever

app is sitting there. And you can't. It just doesn't support those. So 3D Touch in more places, more functional, more customization. And I'm holding out hope a little broader kind of approach that Apple provides themselves and to developers saying, here's how we want everybody to treat 3d touch so that it becomes an integral part of the iphone experience because it's just not there yet yeah and it's going to have to remain iphone for now um yeah i'm not in the camp of thinking that 3d touch and

long touch should be the same thing i think they have to be different things and apple just needs to work out how they put it in all their devices. I think combining those two things doesn't help. It doesn't make it a thing. They may as well have just had right-click long touch a long time ago. But they didn't do that. I think it's right to kind of split them up. Yeah, I think they need to find a gesture that will work on non-3D touch devices that is the equivalent and so that everybody can count on it and 3D touch isn't put in this sort of sideline of nice to have but never essential and if that's long long press then i'm fine with it

because i think i think that's the problem with fundamentally with both force touch and 3d touch is as long as you can't count on it being everywhere and that'll be a long time if you if you don't have an equivalent what you're doing is you're making it optional. And when it's optional, it's a lot less useful. All right. So my next pick is an Apple Music revamp. I think that WWDC is the wrong place to do this, but they did it last time. Why change now? Yeah. It's been a year think i don't think they're going to spend a lot of time on it this time i think they have a very busy wwdc as it is but i think we're going to see a few slides of this is some changes that we're making to apple music uh and then i think they'll

just move on from there i don't think we're going to see a lot to it but i think we are going to see some news about it okay yeah i mean i i would so. I I'm holding out hope that since it's, since it's taking the, um, the wraps off of new OS stuff that we may see. Yeah. Some, some screenshots of, of what Apple music looks like now, again, same argument, right? It's sort of like year two. Well, how did you rethink this now that it's out in the world? What does that look like in iOS? What does that look like on the Mac? Will we see changes to stuff on the Mac too? So are you, does this, does this, Apple Music, is this about the service?

Is this about the iOS app? What exactly does this cover? Well, I was thinking mainly iOS, but I think that it's going to be some changes to the service. They might be ready to announce some kind of video stuff in there because there's more and more of this happening. Didn't they just sign something with a designer for some fashion coverage or something yesterday? Right. I think we might start to see some details about how Apple Music is going to integrate more video content. And that might be the end of Kinect because they need the app.

That detail might get you bonus points depending on what gets announced. So it's good for you to have the bonus points in there. All right. Where do I want to go next? Wow. wow i'm gonna say uh i'm gonna i'm gonna go out a little bit out on a limb um with this one because i think it will be uh it's a little risky but i think uh i wanna i want to pick it it's developer tools on the Pro. Oh, that was one of mine in there. Because I believe very strongly in this one.

I don't want to say full Xcode because it may not be, but I feel like they've got an iPad Pro. We've been saying for years that, you know, one of the milestones of a platform coming into its own, maturing, is that you can develop for the platform on the platform. And the fact is iOS is not something you can develop on an iOS device. You have to develop it on a Mac. So I think Apple wants to get there. There have been rumors that people in Cupertino on the developer tools team are, you know, have iPad pros. Um, and with the iPad pro, especially the big one, the 12.9, uh, you could totally develop

software on that thing. So I want, I want to see that now, maybe what we'll see is a light version or somebody suggested Swift based, maybe like playgrounds and things like that. That's something that's light. I would like to see Xcode for iPad, even if it is limited in what it's capable of doing. I would love to see Xcode on the iPad Pro. So since this is a developer conference and I feel like Apple's got the pieces in place now where it's got devices legitimately powerful enough and screens legitimately big enough in the case of the 12.9 that i think they could do it so i want to see it i want to see developer tools on the ipad pro i think you're right uh i also think that whatever it is it will be swift only for like it's a waste of their time and effort to

to go with anything else this is obviously what apple believe is going to be the future if they're building something new i think they may as well just go all swift on it and just wait for people to catch up if they want to. That, that works right. I mean, I think people complain because people complain about everything, but you know,

but the details, yeah, there, there will be some details that will be interesting, but I want it to be, I want it to be there. And I think some, I think there will be an iPad pro developer story. So that's, that's how I'm going to, I want it to be there. And I think some, I think there will be an iPad pro developer story.

So that's, that's how I'm going to, I'm going to put it. Yeah. And my last pick in this round will be for a new, that's not how drafts work, but okay. Well,

that's, it's a round sponsored by ping. This is, yeah, this is, yes, that's true. Okay.

It will be a new apple watch home screen design so saying goodbye to the honeycomb all right that was on my that was on my top picks list so good job there way to go i think that time has proven that that is just bad design um the tiny icons that sprawl off into the distance that are impossible to move around on the device or in the app consistently, um, that kind of shrink and grow whilst it looks really good in a demo is incredibly hard to use. Uh, the icons being so small and being so close to each other makes them incredibly hard to pick what you're looking for on the run. I just think that time has shown that that was not the best way

to try and display the type of information Apple's looking to display. They want to continue with apps, which they definitely do, because that's what people expect on devices now. They definitely do because that's what people expect on devices now. I think that they are going to have to and they will do something to change the way the home screen looks and is presented. Yeah. Yeah. I fully endorse this. broken it up into a few little bits here but the the big um question for the apple watch is how proud is apple of its first conception of the apple watch and the watch os and how willing is it to two years almost after they announced it how willing is it to accept that it,

that they missed, they missed some things. They didn't get it right outside of the box because I feel very strongly as an Apple watch user, as somebody who uses it every day and likes it, that there are some things about it that are just wrong, that they blew it. They didn't know they had this initial,

they took a shot. It didn't work. The home screen is a good example of it. It's terrible. So we'll see watch OS three, right? Like how much do they rethink the Apple watch and how much do they like double down and be like, no, you're going to get to like it. You're going to, you're going to the honeycomb. You will embrace the honeycomb. Right. And I, I hope they don't. I really hope they don't because that nothing would make me less enthusiastic as an apple watch user than apple uh coming out at wwdc and saying that they think the apple watch is fine yeah because it's not because we you know we are on record as really

loving these devices but they are imperfect as you things are. And if Apple doubles down on some of these imperfections, that would be upsetting. Right. Fix the problem. Fix the things that are getting in the way of your product being great. Because those of us who believe that it could be great and that hardware is not the only problem here, the software and some of the interface conceptions just are in the way of the of the product um we'll see i mean that that's a that's about personalities right i don't think that's even about technical capability that's like are you willing to change some of your assumptions from two years ago about the apple watch we'll see um but i i really hope you're right about

this one even if it gives you points and uh i'm gonna sit in that keynote now and i'm gonna be like oh that's a mic choice. Boo, boo, boo. That'll announce a Siri API and you'll hear one man going, boo. Everyone turns to you. It's like, Mike picked it. Yeah, that's right. I was hoping that would be a, boy, yeah. It's going to be a big, all those Siri announcements are going to be big point totals for you.

But yeah, we'll see. All right. It's my turn. And so with the last pick of this first cycle, I am going, these are all big. I love how much you hate that I'm rewriting the rules of drafting here. Yeah, this is, my drafts are not.

They're not canonical drafts. Non-canonical drafts, exactly right. Okay, so I don't want you to make a complete run on Siri-related things, because I don't want to be the guy who's booing during the entire Siri section. So I'm going to take a page from that Macworld piece that I wrote, speculative Macworld piece I wrote a couple of months ago, and say Apple's going to announce the Siri speaker or something like it, a piece of hardware with Siri integrated that sits somewhere in your house and listens to what

you have to say and talks back to you and plays music and stuff like that. I'm going to put that down, a hardware announcement for a Siri related product. Now, my hesitation here is this sounds like a fall product, not a summer product. Yeah. And not a WWDC product. But I just, I want in on the Siri bandwagon. So I'm going to put a chip down on the Siri speaker just in case that this is, because Amazon's got theirs.

Google has announced theirs. Does Apple come out and say, yes us yes us too rather than spend the entire summer even if it doesn't ship until the fall rather than spend the entire summer hearing how oh apple's got to come up with a strategy for this because google's coming out with their thing and amazon's already out there where is apple um that's not necessarily a great reason to introduce a product but some stranger things have happened so i So I'm going to throw it out there. The Siri speaker. This is one that I've really considered as a wild card.

I believe maybe that something like this will exist. I'm not entirely convinced. There could be a developer story here too. I mean, the way that I get this into the WWDC keynote is that it's part of the API discussion. Yeah, for sure. You need to not assume that you're going to have a screen to display on and you know your apis that you build will not just be for the iphone and the apple tv it will also be for this thing and part of that larger siri

2.0 discussion that's that's my theory we'll say i i think that this product might exist i don't i don't feel like it's going to be now i feel like it's too soon but i'm i'm willing to be wrong because i am becoming increasingly interested in these products i'm just waiting for one of them to be announced in my country they could also decide that it's um well yeah i mean that's one of the great advantages of what apple's doing is that they would be able to hit way more countries with this presumably over time because they're much better at international um yeah well they're i mean and they're really better at google at this i think too but um for sure they are but like google's better than amazon everybody is better than amazon um so we may see. The only other hesitation I've got is, and this, some of this

is my own hope, which is they could do a thing where they do a licensing thing and let third party speaker manufacturers integrate Siri. And I hope they don't honestly, because it won't go well and it will, it'll be slow slow and we seem like with home kit like is this even a thing that people want to do so um i that's also a possibility but given that they bought beats um and given apple's you know apple's history and really wanting to make awesome speaker products like that old ipod hi-fi you know this is the first time that i've ever thought about beats in the speaker discussion and it makes a heck of a lot more sense beats know how to make speakers right yeah yeah so maybe maybe a siri a siri speaker maybe even a you know apple beats

speaker yeah see i don't think they will call it the siri speaker i think it will be a product that has siri built into it, but it's also going to be focused around music quite heavily. I made the prediction, Jason. You may have not heard the episode yet on Connected. I want to just throw it out there that this product will be called iPod. Oh, that's nice. The new iPod.

That would be great. That's a great name for it. I love the idea of reusing names for things that have some cachet but can't be used for what they were anymore. So that would be great that's a great name for it i i love the idea of reusing names for things that that uh that have some cachet but can't be used for what they were anymore so that would be great i i do think you know the guys they kind of laughed a little bit and then i kind of talked them around a little bit uh it feels unlikely based on apple's current trends of naming but the ipod has such great brand recognition. I think it would be interesting to bring it back. Especially if it's about music and it lives in your home. That's pretty great. So we'll see. Okay, so that's the first round of picks. The second round of picks is brought to you

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them without a phone being around okay i'll give you i'll give you that although like i said watch os2 did allow watch apps to pull data over wi-fi when they're not near their phone it doesn't work very well well okay so so that's why i'm going to give you this and i'm going to give you kind of i think the catch-all category of like watch apps having more abilities to be away from their iphone right there's like i should have that's a better clarification of that for sure because as you say there are parts of it but i don't know if this is a hardware thing or a software thing but they really don't feel like they're doing anything you know like very frequently i'll hit a button and it's like it registers the animation but nothing happens so i'm hoping to see some more more in there yeah okay i mean really any watch

improvements would be welcome yeah um so in fact i'm gonna stick with the apple watch thing i'm gonna do it um and i i'm going to do it i know this is esoteric, but this is, uh, this is what I'm going to do. Uh, my pick is the behavior of the, the button, the friends button on the Apple watch will be altered. That's my choice. Changing the behavior of the friends button button because it's dumb back to our previous conversation i never it is the button on the apple watch and i never use it because all it brings up is a little screen with a bunch of faces on it that i can send like quick messages to and that's not how i use my apple watch so i'm not saying that they won't completely abandon it although they should completely abandon that approach but i would like it at the very least for them to say, oh, now you can choose what the button does.

It can do all of these other different useful things that are way more useful in showing the ring of faces when you press the button. The moment they announced what the button did, I thought that was a terrible idea. And more than a year of using the Apple Watch has not changed my opinion one bit it's dumb i think that it is a significant thing if they do it because oh yeah you know the the digital touch uh was one of the key features of the apple watch so taking it away from that button will again show a understanding maybe of the way people are using it i can't imagine many people are using the digital touch stuff really you know

like me and my girlfriend both have apple watches and we use it but very infrequently and she's the only person in my list of like 12 people or my multiple lists of 12 people that I can have that I do this stuff with any seriousness at all yeah I would be very surprised if uh again this is one though that I can see them potentially doubling down on if they can make it better so imagine if sure the digital touch stuff now allowed for walkie-talkie type stuff that might be kind of cool you know and you could use the button in that kind of way if they if they doubled down on the friend stuff and made it more compelling then i would maybe be more okay with them leaving the button behavior as it is rather than you know has i wouldn't be okay with them doubling down on the honeycomb all right all right next up i am going to go with a new mac

pro following the exact same guidance as your uh thought about what the macbook pro would look like and why it would be on stage okay i think that we will see a mac pro update i think it will be a slide after they've announced the macbook pro right? They will put up a slide and say, and also we have a new Mac Pro today. It has this, this, this, and this moving on. That's all I think it's going to get, but I think they'll do it there because if you want to get a cheer from, you know, from any audience about the Mac Pro being updated, it's the only one you're going to get it from. Oh yeah, I know exactly right. If you want to do it as something other than a press release, this is the audience. And again, they, they announced it at a WWDC. So why not? Okay. Um, I'm going to go, I I'm, I'm not entirely convinced

this is a feature that could be, that will be good, but I feel like they're probably going to do it, especially since we've seen Google announce it as well, which is bring multitasking to the iPhone. And if you saw that Google IO keynote, they showed the split screen on a big Android phone with two apps running top and bottom. And I thought, okay, what happens when you slide up the keyboard? Like the keyboard is the size of the app. But that said, you got big phones like the iPhone 6s Plus, hashtag Mike was right. Is there a way for Apple to make multitasking somehow useful for people with especially the big phones since they've already built it into the OS for the iPad? Would they allow that? Whether it's something like a split screen or something like a virtual screen

where you've got it peaking it and you sort of like slide them up and down to get the quick access to them. Or when the keyboard slides in, it slides the, you know, the one that's not active off the screen temporarily while you type. Or even something like slide over might be useful on a phone where you could very quickly flip into this thing that you've kept pinned to the side, look at something and then flip it back out, which is different and distinct, I think, from regular multitasking switcher.

You're somebody with an iPhone 6S Plus. What do you think? Is this a possibility or is it dumb? One of the reasons I think it's possible is the landscape mode on the Plus. Oh. Because you kind of need a landscape mode for this to work.

And so this is something that they actually built into the next version, the developer preview of Android N. Android didn't have a landscape mode, but when you enter into multitasking mode and you go to your home screen, it will show it in landscape. But it doesn't do that

if you're not in multitasking mode. If you your phone on the side it doesn't change things into landscape so it needs a landscape mode kind of fundamentally for it to work because i think i've played around with this in n and really it works best when you're multitasking sorry when you're in landscape because you get to see the majority of the applications right information side by side i do want this feature not to do serious work on but for little things so like a couple of days ago i got an email from someone who needed me to check a date for something but it was like three dates that i needed to give them and it was annoying me to jump backwards and forwards between apps i would have loved to have just very quickly brought up chrome that i could check the date of the thing and and

just type them into the email like I do on my iPad. I wanted that. I don't want to run my phone in that all the time, but for the quick things that I need to check, it would be really useful. Alright. What's your pick?

So, following on from the Mac Pro, I think if they introduce a new Mac Pro and a new MacBook Pro, they will for sure have an external retina display to go along with it. Huh. Bold prediction. Bold prediction. There's been a lot of speculation about it. And then I think the ATP tipster said, no, it's not going to be there.

But I feel like you're right that you want to see, um, you want to see them as a package. You want to be able to say, look, Hey, professionals, you have these professional devices and yes, you will have an external display, a big external display that you can, uh, that you can connect. Um, the Thunderbolt display is going out of stock. stock, and it's very old. And there was a rumor that I thought was fairly credible about this idea that what you do is you put a GPU in the display, which is kind of in line with the Thunderbolt display, which had a lot of electronics in it. It was kind of a computer on its own. And that if you put the GPU in the display, you could connect via Thunderbolt 3,

and it would be able to drive like a 27-inch, like a 5K display. So it's possible that they could make this work without having to wait for the next version of DisplayPort at the end of next year, which I don't think Apple wants to wait. So I think the real question is, does this happen at WWDC or later on in 2016? And it's an open question, but again, if you're going to do it, you're not going to cannibalize any sales. Say that you're going to do it,

even if it's just, and yes, you will be able to connect this to a beautiful brand new 27-inch 5K display that Apple is shipping this fall. And even if all they said was that, I think that that would be fine and people would lose their minds and we would come back to it in the fall. Just to know it's coming.

I mean, my feeling is like, I don't know if they're going to do this, but if I'm going with the fact that there's a new Mac Pro, I'm going with this as well, because I think they have to announce those two things together in my mind. I just think that it would naturally go together because this new Mac Pro should, in theory, have the support for whatever this display will eventually be. So you may as well announce them together. Yeah, I think I can buy that. I can buy that. All right, for my pick in what is

what the eighth round of this draft, I'm going to pick something that is totally just a way for me to collect some points. We've seen with the Safari developer preview that Apple is really working on a lot of WebKit features. The WebKit team is sort of open about the fact that they're working on some other features that haven't appeared in the preview yet, or the technical preview, I guess it's called, technology preview, STP.

And so I think there will be a Safari slash WebKit, at least a slide on stage that will talk about all the awesome things they're doing to update Safari. And including the stuff that's in the technology preview as some stuff that has not yet made it into the technology preview. Of interest to podcasters, I think they will announce that they're going to support WebRTC. And that would be WebKit. so that would be iOS and Mac. And what that would mean is all these web-based tools that let you do podcasting that record remotely, like Cast, will work on iOS once that is implemented. So I'm going to throw that out there, that a bunch of WebKit updates, including WebRTC, in the next version of iOS and OS X, macOS, whatever it's called. I feel like this is one of those things they can just put with macOS because it gives them some features. Right. That they can say, here's some stuff we're doing with macOS.

And then maybe they can lead into iOS from that. But it gives them a point on the slide when it comes to mac os and as a developer yeah as a developer conference too just let them saying hey we did the safari technology preview there are a lot of amazing things if you're a web developer look at all these amazing things that we're going to have you you can follow along we're announcing today that these other features are going to be in the build of the technology preview that comes out today and they'll all be in the os uh this fall and uh and so it's like a couple of years ago when they kept talking about the dom which made no sense to me at all i had no idea what the dom was but everyone was really excited about the fact that you could do things with the dom you know it's either perignon or delouise either way it sounds great all right so next up for me I'm taking one from you, major Mac App Store changes.

Okay. I just think the Mac App Store is a disaster. I'm not the first person to realize this. It is something that has had absolutely no love from a design perspective, even since it came out. It looks old. It looks weird.

It does very strange things. Major developers are not going anywhere near it and or leaving it. Something needs to change. I don't know what it would be. I don't know if major Mac App Store changes means just they're going to just change the way it looks and feels to use to maybe make it more useful. Maybe they bake it even deeper into the OS in some way, or maybe they change how it works from a technical perspective and make sandboxing more friendly,

or they just make the business proposition nicer on the Mac App Store. Maybe Mac App Store upgrades. Maybe they put it there to try and bring some people back. I don't know what it might be, but I just feel like the Mac App Store is going to get some time on stage to announce some kind of fundamental changes to the way it looks, feels, or is approached to by developers. This will be the first time we've seen Apple at WWDC since the – well, we've seen – there was that story about Phil Schiller taking over some responsibilities for app stores. And we've seen the app review times lower and stuff like that. So there's probably a story coming from Apple that is, look, we are making changes. We've

listened and we're making changes. And you've already seen it with the app review. Whoa, big, you know, applause line there. And here's some other things that are going on. My hope is that one of the major Mac app store changes is absolutely like, we're going to loosen this way up because we want the Mac app store to be thriving. And there's too, there's not, there's too much good stuff that's not in the store yet. And we want you all in the store with your Mac apps. So we're not, we're dropping the requirements for this and that, and you know, you'll still need to be approved and we'll still need to make sure that you're not doing something that's bad, but we're no longer going to lock you out if you, whatever. And maybe there's a, you know, and there's going to be a way for you to

have an installer and, you know, the way your installer will work within the Mac app store is people will open it and then the Mac app store app will run the installer itself and walk people through what's going to happen or, and an uninstaller that does the same thing i mean whatever however deep this goes i don't know but i would love to see that where where phil schiller stands on stage and says bottom line we want you all in the mac app store here's how we're going to make it uh possible for you to be in there because there aren't enough of you in there just now. And I don't know if they just say to hell with sandboxing. I don't know what you do, but maybe I would. You can still install OS X applications as easy as you ever could.

So I don't know if it's necessary. Many people might disagree with me. Many people will probably agree with me. I don't know. But I feel like that wouldn't be the worst thing to do yeah i know it's like uh we're doing it right in the mac app store and we're doing it so right that nobody uses it yeah oh great good for you good for you i think we've got our great little place here where we don't even observe the rules so and you could spin this a couple of ways i would say you could spin this as we are um

we are are really going doubling down on the Mac App Store. We're going to make so everything can get in the Mac App Store. You could also spin it the other way, which is we are giving up on the Mac App Store. The super curated approach totally failed, and so we're going to open it up. But either way, they should

do it. Yep. Yep. Most definitely. Alright. For my choice in the the ninth round i'm going to pick from ios a customizable control center nice pick uh control center needs to make some changes it's the thing you flip up from the bottom of the screen i mentioned 3d touch earlier the ability to uh choose some things even if they're all system-based. It would be great if third-party apps could provide things that are optional for the control center. That would be really great.

But even if it's customizable, especially on iPads, there's a lot of room down there and not a lot of choices. I would love to be able to have some other functionality that you can toggle quickly from there. Because sometimes, you know, some people don't use some of those buttons. They're like, I'm never going to flip it open and tap on the calculator. So could I replace that with something else? That would be great. Whether it's something that's just from a predefined list of eight things that Apple will do, it will offer you. Or whether it also includes something

that third-party app providers can provide. But regardless, I like Control Center. I use it all the time, and I would like it to be more functional. Couldn't agree more. I would love to be able to change some stuff. One of my favorite things about Android, they have this stuff in the notification shade,

and you can move things around in there now. I mean have this stuff in the notification shade uh and you can move things around in there now i mean it's in the new version it's in the developer like in the beta version of n but you can customize what goes in there you can move things around to your own order and they have some great stuff that you can choose from um and i would love to be able to see some of that like for example i very very rarely need to turn bluetooth on and off now i have the apple watch who turns Bluetooth on and off. If you're an Apple Watch user, you do not need that there because you need it on all the time.

Right, but you may be somebody who has a corporate VPN and needs to toggle their VPN on and off, and you can't do that from Control Center. Or, for example, something I cannot believe is not in there. It's low power mode. I just cannot believe that low power mode is not in control center i i flick up control center every single time thinking that it's there even though i know it's not uh the uh the question also about like uh i was doing a presentation at a

user group and one of the things i did was like it was like secrets of the mac menu bar and one of them is you know menu bar items you hold down the option key and you get all these extra things. And I thought about that for a control center, the idea that maybe 3D touch, or maybe it's a touch and hold or whatever, but the idea that you could, you know, if you go on the Bluetooth item, if you want to keep it there, it's not just a Bluetooth toggle. It lets you pick a device and connect to it or pick a wifi base station and connect to it. How about that? Wouldn't that be a nice feature? But you you know, right now it's just, it's too dumb. So make it smarter. Yeah.

My next pick is iOS software keyboard improvements. And this is a few different things here. Okay. I would like to see more layouts in the software keyboard on the large iPad Pro. I want to see the international layouts promised to us. on the large iPad Pro. I want to see the international layouts promised to us. And I also want to see the third party keyboards become like actual keyboards.

You know, I want the switching to be better. I would love to see them be able to perform a lot better. I just want to see that really kind of pick up now. We're a couple of years into this and nothing has really significantly changed to try and make these keyboards stronger. You know, you've got stuff like Gboard, which people really love. I can't use because Google is, as you mentioned, not so great about outside of the US at times. But I want to see people being able to use these keyboards as their main keyboards without having a nightmare trying to switch backwards and forwards.

Why can't I turn off the standard one? Why does that always have to be enabled? I understand that they want to enable it for security when you're entering passwords, but just show a specific password-owning keyboard. Let me choose between SwiftKey and the emoji one, and just let me leave it at that. If I want to choose a third party one stop giving me the first party one I really want to see some changes there I will throw in a couple that I want

I want a distinct set of settings for hardware and software keyboards because when I'm typing on a hardware keyboard I do not want auto-capitalization I do not want auto-correct because it incorrects my correct typing and it's infuriating. So then I go and turn it off and then I'm sitting with my iPad in my lab using the software keyboard expecting it to auto-correct and it totally doesn't. Those should be separate features. For Pete's sake, we ipad pro shipping you know with these accessories that you can get that that are that are made by apple that are external keyboards keyboard that you make and put in the marketing yeah you they need to be different so i would i would throw that out there

that that they need to they need to do that and then actually also from the ipad pro perspective uh the two finger trackpad feature um they need to they need to tweak it a little bit because I accidentally set it off with a finger brush and delete things that I've written all the time. So I want it to be less sensitive. I want to have to do a little more work to get it into trackpad mode and i also want it to be rely more reliable about it because sometimes i put two fingers down and i start to move and it just starts tacking keys which is also really annoying so it activates sometimes when i don't want it to and it doesn't activate sometimes when i do and as a result i get really frustrated by it's one of my favorite features of the iphone because it works almost like all the time but it's one of the things that

annoys me most about the ipad because i can't get it to work consistently yeah when it works it's great but it is so inconsistent and frustrating so those are my those are my two uh things that i'll throw in on the software keyboard and there are probably others i mean you could change the whole um the whole little uh auto the the smart bar or whatever it is above there, that could be a lot better and more contextual and have more stuff in it than I think app developers are allowed to put in there too. And there's about 17,000 different things you could do to improve the emoji keyboard as well. Yes, like make it searchable for one.

Yeah, just, yeah. Yeah. I wrote a whole story for macworld about that apple's emoji our emoji game is really strong and their keyboard on ios is really poor all right so for my uh my pick rounding out round 10 uh and the end of this block i'm going to choose major changes and improvements to carplay you are probably the uh the only person in the world that has had the amount of experience of CarPlay that you've had. You know, just used it that one day and made the video. Technically, no, I actually have it hooked up. I was using it the other day because Apple actually

has come a long way. And one of the weird things about CarPlay is like iOS 9 wasn't that great with CarPlay, but like a couple updates in, it got a lot better. CarPlay is like iOS 9 wasn't that great with CarPlay, but like iOS, like a couple updates in, it got a lot better. CarPlay is way better than it was a year ago when I made that video. And I keep thinking about making a follow-up and people who have CarPlay in their cars, perhaps have experienced this. I don't, I have CarPlay in a box that I can plug in, in my house. So I should probably put it in my car at some point, just so that I can write about it some more. And now it's at the point it's much better now. And at this point, I would be willing to have it in my car, where a year ago I wasn't. But, you know, they are, Apple's trying to get in the car.

They're in this competition with Android Auto. They need to make CarPlay better. So I want to hear them talk about, and I hope they do, that's why I'm picking them, talk about CarPlay and ways that they're going to make it better. Because it's still not that great. And I feel like they need to spend some time saying, we're going to make it better, because it's still not that great. And I feel like they need to spend some time saying, we're going to make it better. They've teased that they're going to be able to do it completely wirelessly. How's that going to work?

Are they going to do other features? I'm going to roll Siri in the car in here, too. I feel like Siri needs to get smarter in the car regardless, but especially needs to get smarter in the car when there's car play, because a lot of times, you know what? You can't interact with a screen. You need to talk to a device. And Siri is not good enough at being a conversationalist in the car and help you get information that you seek while your eyes are on the road. So

some sort of Apple in-car story that is not Apple's building a car, but is Apple is committed to making more improvements to CarPlay. I want to see it. So I'm going to put it on my list. The third and final block of draft picks is brought to you by Squarespace, the simplest way for anyone to create

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But I actually think it's going to be slightly more than this. I have a hunch that the Instagram design, the new black and white Instagram design, is going to be something that we see wider in iOS. I think that is a fresh kind of black and white style design or just way calmer design. You take a look at the WWDC pages, everything's dark and there's a simple color there that could easily be flicked backwards and forwards. I think that Apple is going to start to really change the way that the design guidelines are so things will be a bit sharper a bit plainer even more plain than what iOS 7 was to allow for an easier ability

to switch between dark and light yeah I um so they introduced a dark menu bar in os 10 a couple versions ago and it's really dumb yeah because it's a dark menu bar and that's it and i think originally people who had apps that ran in the menu bar couldn't even easily tell if the menu bar was not dark or not and they fixed that so now they can tell and they can change their icon to be the opposite when it's a dark menu bar. But what it's not is a dark mode for the operating system. Like, and I know, you know, you got a window, a lot of windows are going to be like documents, and they're going to be lots of white with black text. And that's how it is. But some interface elements throughout could get picked up and sort of like darkened, and you have a second theme. And they didn't do it. So on iOS, I would love to see it, I would love to see a dark mode, I would love to see it. I would love to see a dark

mode. I would love to see it something that all the OS can, all the apps can pick up and do pick up that you should be able to set it to turn on at sunset. All of those things I would like to see because it's, it's nice. It's nice when you're, you know, when you're working in the dark, having a white screen in front of your face is painful when it doesn't have to be and like uh if you've looked at overcast dark mode for example that's a good example of that something like uh even like notes i would rather have it be when i'm taking notes in a darkened room like i um often am when i'm watching a movie or something for a podcast i would love to be able to have a dark mode for it. Instead, what I do is I end up triple clicking and I have triple click set to be invert screen. And since everything in iOS is so aggressively white with a little bit of black,

if you triple click, it turns into a sort of a dark mode. It's weird, but sort of. But a proper dark mode would be great. So I think that's what we're going to do. I think we're going to see something along those lines that will be a bigger kind of interface change again. I mean, it's been some years since iOS 7 now. So a lot of what we've been saying has been about the Apple Watch

has been fix it, fix it, fix the things that are wrong. I'm going to say something completely new here, which is time for WatchOS 3.0 to include the ability for custom watch faces. Expanding the abilities of the existing watch faces is something that should also be on the list. And I think we all assume that there will be some incremental improvements to how watch faces are displayed.

But I think I want to see the ability for third parties to build apps that provide custom watch faces that, you know, they got to be approved by Apple. But I feel like it's time. The Apple Watch, one of the things that it does is tell the time. And if you would ask me what the state of the Apple Watch's watch face game would be a year after it shipped, I would not, I would be disappointed with the reality of it. If, you know, it's just not enough. And I realize there are lots of reasons you want to, there's intellectual property reasons, you don't want to knock off existing watch faces. There's a quality reasons where a lot of like Pebble watch faces are really gross. That said, you know, having Apple have approval and have guidelines, I would like to see that.

And I would like to see watch faces in general be more customizable than they currently are. I would trade this for fewer, more flexible Apple watch faces. I would probably do that. Where, you know, right now an Apple Watch face sort of can only do one thing. If those all could be a little more variable in terms of where they put text and what they put where, that would be nice, too. But I'm going to go with the custom watch faces, too. I think, why not? Do you foresee custom watch faces as anyone can make one or Apple makes it possible for approved designers to do it?

I think it's the latter, right? Apple approval is going to be a key part of it. I would have just imagined it's going to be an App Store style process. Right, but anyone can come along and make one. They've just got to get it approved as opposed to like Apple saying Louis Vuitton and Gucci and et cetera, et cetera, can make them. Exactly. That was what I was thinking. And it might even be something that just, you know, the store for it, if you will, is in the Apple Watch app. And that's where it lives and you install a watch face.

And there's no, you know, there's no app you install on your phone that has a watch face extension. It's more like there are watch faces in the watch face i mean that apple watch app is pretty bare there's not a lot happening in there so putting in a watch a watch face gallery and letting you load things on i mean that's something that that pebble did that i liked so i'd like to see that all right next up um this is a kind of a continuation from what i was saying about native watch apps, but I think further untethering the Apple Watch from the phone. So allowing the Apple Watch to get more information from some kind of connection, whether it be a cell connection, and we can maybe get to that with a later prediction or just to be able to do more with Wi-Fi

than it can currently do. So you can kind of have this device be its own little thing if it wants to be. I think that's something that they're going to do more with because I think that whilst Apple kind of said that this was the case, it doesn't feel like that's the case because if I'm in my, in my, in my home

and the phone is not around, my watch gets really upset. So, and I know it's connected to the wifi. So I think that this could be significantly improved upon if not completely revolutionized. All right. I'm going to, uh, I mean, some of those things are, we're in watchOS 2.0, but as you pointed out, when we talked about this earlier with apps standing alone, it doesn't go far enough. It needs to go further. I'm going to stay on the watch thing for a little watch segment here for my pick, which is a very specific pick, and it is something that I actually added while we were talking. I'm going to throw down the ability to migrate an Apple Watch to a new iPhone without having to wipe it and reinstall it from a backup. If you ever buy a new iPhone or have your iPhone break and have

to replace it, guess what you have to do to your Apple Watch? You have to completely erase it and then repair it and then let it load your last backup if you have a backup from that iPhone. So I'm going to say new feature of watchOS 3, if you're using a phone that's got an existing Apple ID, that's the same as the, as the new phone that you're going to, it will just be able to migrate without wiping itself clean and starting again. That would be great. Especially when we'll get new phones again. I mean, remember what happened last September and me and you just shouted for four weeks.

Exactly right. Upgrading should be a delight. And if you've got an Apple Watch, upgrading your iPhone is a pain. So make it more delightful. I'm going to venture into territory I don't understand and say that there will be some kind of big Swift announcement. Oh, good.

That's all I know is that there will be time devoted to Swift and it will be big stuff, not just like, hey, Swift's going good. I think that they're going to do something which will be significant with Swift. New version of Swift. They learned their lesson. They've listened to developers

and it does more awesome things now. Yeah. Basically. That's all I have to say on that. That's good. You don't want to elaborate on some of the thoughts about what those big new features of swift would be i think that the uh integer parameter is going to significantly change okay and everyone stop listening well it'll be more it'll be more dynamic there'll be some more dynamic typing i hope dynamic typing that's when you type really

fast right yeah it's just that's what new keyboards do they just make it more dynamic okay good excellent okay i'm with you there um all right i'm gonna go out on a limb and say something that's totally nuts but i i it's wish fulfillment time here late in the draft and i'm gonna i'm gonna i want credit if my wish is fulfilled uh the fulfillment itself won't be enough i'll also get draft credit for it um a replacement for itunes on the mac um so the idea that apple needs to split some of this stuff off that there's a new version of itunes that is focused on music perhaps there's a separate app that is for device sync and maintenance and backup and things for people

who are still doing wired connections to their iOS devices. But breaking it up, breaking up the monopoly, simplifying iTunes, having the whole music story be a little bit more, actually having it be more like iOS,

where there's a music app and there's a store app and there's a store app uh and there's a device sync app in this case since it's on the mac and that's and that's it instead of one place the the long requested never delivered breakup of big itunes big itunes the big go get big itunes of the way. Alright, so we're into our last and final picks now then. I guess we are. Now, one of the things, so I'm struggling now

with what we have left in this document because I can either go for something that is potential but I don't think will happen or I can just take crib something immediately from what you just put in your article about the Mac. But I think that's a bit outlandish and i do want you to maybe go through it so i'm just gonna go with apple watch 2 announced i don't think that they're gonna do this like i really don't think that this is gonna happen and this is what happens when you get to

the end of the draft here but not a lot But there could be some stuff in Apple Watch 3 that they just can't talk about unless they talk about the Apple Watch 2. Like fundamentally, like if they say something like, like let's just say for argument's sake that the Apple Watch 2 has a SIM card in it and it has a cell connection. Let's just say.

Again, I think we're still another version away from from that but let's just say that's the case and that's why they talk about independent you know like the watch can talk independently when you're out on a run there's no way they can do that without kind of acknowledging the fact that it's going to have a cell connection which means they need to maybe talk about the hardware i don't know depends on how much they want to give developers now as opposed to giving them like three weeks before the thing ships. So it could be uncharted territory a little bit with what they

want to announce and what they don't want to announce and how this impacts the hardware. But that's why I say that there is a slim chance that they announce the Apple Watch 2 shipping in a month or two months. If the product's not selling gangbusters, they know it's a Q4 product.

Like Tim has said, it's a holiday product. Maybe they just don't care about the fact that they're going to cannibalize some sales for a little while. I don't know. All right. Well, I think that's unlikely, highly unlikely. That's my last pick, my friend. So for my last pick and the last pick of the draft,

I've got some stuff that I could pick, but I'm not going to pick any of those. Instead, I'm going to pick something that's slightly more possible than the Apple Watch 2 appearing on stage at WWDC. And it's this. To celebrate the fact that OS X is now Mac OS 11, they're going to say these go to 11 and spinal tap is going to appear on stage and perform at the end of the keynote i think there

is more chance of a live upgrade from the keynote stage than then spinal tap to appear i don't i don't agree i think i think the appearance of Spinal Tap is more likely than a live upgrade or the Apple Watch 2 appearing. So that's what I'm going to say. Spinal Tap slash Mac OS 11. There it is. Just mark it. Mark it down.

All right. I get like, I win the draft if that happens. How about that? Will you agree to that? That's a double or nothing. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I'll give you that. If Spinal Tap come out on stage, no matter what the scoring is, you win the draft if that happens. How about that? Will you agree to that? That's a double or nothing. Yeah, I'll tell you what, I'll give you that. If Spinal Tap come out on stage, no matter what the scoring

is, you win the draft. Okay, thank you. And that's the end of the draft, and that's the end of this week's episode. Thank you so much for listening, and I hope you've been playing along at home. I'm very much looking forward to next week when we announce the winner

who will be crowned champion of the first annual Upgrade WWDC draft. But let's talk about next week for a moment. So next week, Upgrade, we'll be recording in person after the keynote. So sometime after the keynote, we'll be recording in person. We may or may not stream live.

I hope that we will be able to stream live so you'll be able to tune in if you want to. Something that I will mention this just after the keynote but I'll say it now so you can bear it in mind. We love to do extended Ask Upgrade for this type of stuff. So if you have any questions thoughts that you want us to

elaborate on that kind of stuff because of the keynote announcements just send them in with the hashtag AskUpgrade and we'll try and get to as many of those as we can. So feel free to do that. I love doing that sort of stuff because you pick up on the random and weird little things that people thought of or found because of that.

So please send any of that sort of stuff into us so we can address it on the show with the hashtag AskUpgrade. So we'll be recording that episode. But also on Monday, it's RelayCon. Now, you may or may not have heard of this. I hope that you have. But we're doing an event in San Francisco for the first time.

It's going to be a live show. We're going to be doing some fun stuff. We've got some great things planned. Part of it is going to be the connected hosts. So me, Stephen, and Federico. And then there's going to be a segment that I've put down in my document titled Mike and Friends,

which is going to be me, Hugh, and Serenity Caldwell talking about the announcements of the day. This is going to be recorded live and it will be out in the Connected feed. So we'll be talking about it. We'll be linking to it. But if you're interested in picking up what I think is going to be a really fun episode

go subscribe to connected now and you'll get that next week and you also get this week's episode of connected which will be fun so go to relay.fm slash connected to find out more and subscribe there but we're really excited for relay con and jason i'll say now thank you for uh being a part of it on stage with me i am very excited we've got a big night planned so i think it's gonna be a part of it on stage with me. I am very excited. We've got a big night planned, so I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Monday's going to be a big day. And somewhere in there between a keynote and RelayCon, we will find at an undisclosed location, we will find enough time to do Upgrade.

That's the agenda for Monday. And again, I will offer, we can just ride around in my car if you really want to. Do a car cast. But we should probably do it at a can just ride around in my car if you really want to. I don't want to. But we should probably do it at a secret location instead of in my car. I feel like for the car cast to exist in the future, which I'm sure it will make an appearance later on, there needs to be extenuating circumstances. Me and you being together in person with the ability to walk to multiple locations where we could record does not need a car cast. But I appreciate the invitation.

Fine. You don't want to be in my car. That's fine, Mike. All right. No, I'm looking forward to it. You and me together in San Francisco. That part in San Francisco is less exciting for me because this is basically where I live. But you'll be here and a lot of other people will be here and there'll be a big Apple event.

I'll be there and then I will find you afterward and we will do an upgrade next week and keep score about the draft which will be ugly probably

yep especially because we'll be in person you know it might come to fisticuffs who knows it could

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