Upgrade - 93: The Emoji Judgers

Episode Date: June 13, 2016

Straight out of the WWDC keynote, Jason joins Myke live to talk about watchOS 3, tvOS 10, macOS Sierra, iOS 10, Apple Music and Messages.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode number 93 today's episode is brought to you by mail route and fresh books i am on location in san francisco my name is mike hurley and i have the pleasure of being joined across this table by Mr. Jason Snell. Jason, it is WWDC week. It is. It's, what is it, an hour and a half, less than an hour and a half since the keynote finished. Yep. And this was our next order of business after watching Tim Cook and company present.

We're doing what we do. Yep. First out. That's the upgrade guarantee. That's how it works. First out. That's the upgrade guarantee. That's how it works. Aloha. So we are, yeah, as Jason said, we've just seen the keynote, the WWDC 2016 keynote. We've seen the four major OS releases and updates for 2016.

But we all know what the most important order of business is. Last episode, we did our WWDC draft, the first annual draft. Indeed. And we have the scores. So I want to thank underscore David Smith for creating an incredible scorecard for us. And basically, me and Jason made a decision earlier this week because we had all of the app store changes

that were announced shortly after the show went live. They don't count in the draft because they weren't on stage. So our decision is if it was on stage, it gets counted. The final score was Mike7Jason4. Yes. I am the winner. Yes, I blame it entirely on you getting the first pick in the draft. Yep, that's it.

That's how it works. And since they talked about iOS 10, it still gives me hope that perhaps next year... You can go to 11. And Spinal Tap will appear. So quick run through my picks that were correct. OS 10 renamed to macOS, macOS Siri support, Siri API, Apple Music Revamp, new Apple Watch home screen, more native watch apps, and the Swift announcements. Jason got 3D Touch Actions, iPad Pro developer tools, Apple Watch side button change, and major changes to CarPlay, bringing in its 7.4. I am very happy we did this, and I cannot wait for next year's already.

Yeah, I think we're going to have to come up with... Some people did some very impressive things, although I would say perhaps controversial. Some people did some very impressive things, although I would say perhaps controversial. I saw somebody who created a scoring system based on sort of like one point, two points, and three points, depending on how prevalent, how prominent in the keynote the items were. And somebody else today was keeping score and giving us half points, which you're like, how does that even work? By what? Forget about it. It doesn't matter. We have we in complete consensus that it is seven to four is the final

there were there were a couple of yours that were a sort of a question mark and that we basically ended up giving it to one of them and not to the other and and that seemed fine yep i do i do so far ahead at that point yeah it was i ran away it was a runaway victory. Basically, by the time the Mac OS part was over, it was all said and done. But we do have a bunch to talk about today. So before we start, though, Jason, I wanted to get your thoughts on this, because this is something that a lot of people were talking about this yesterday. Going into this year, we didn't really know anything. There were no big leaks. There was no German masterpiece.

Right. What did you think about that i like not knowing things i think it's great i like i like not even the things that we know sort of like we know yeah like the fact that there is going to be a new macbook pro at some point perhaps even soon you know we didn't know whether it would be in or not today, and it was not. And I think that's fine. Given the density of that keynote presentation, where were they going to put hardware? Already it felt like they were summarizing and omitting huge swaths of information about the new platforms in the future. And I applaud Apple's commitment to the two-hour keynote. They are probably about to start, as we're speaking now, their State of the Union, which has a lot more detail. And they know they've always got that in the afternoon to talk to people about. So,

you know, two hours is it. And they had to fill it with the platforms. And they didn't really have any time left over for the hardware, even if the hardware was ready. So we'll see so we'll see it later i so anyway i like the i like the mystery of that and the question of what what are we going to see and and uh making guesses and not not really knowing so that was a lot of fun it's way more fun it's way more fun to not know anything so you mentioned the four platforms that was kind of tim's big jumping off point today four major platforms we've never had four before. This is where we are at WWDC. So let's run through those platforms, shall we? So we'll do it

in the chronological order of the event. So Apple started off with WatchOS. Huge changes to WatchOS. Yeah, this was the big question. We talked about it. Is after a year and a half, you know, arguably almost two years since announcement,

a lot of water under the bridge, a lot of Apple Watch users, a lot of time spent using the watch. And I think this was the question. Would they stick to their guns or would they say, oh, we got that wrong? And they did the latter. They said, oh, here are a bunch of things we, well, they didn't say there are a bunch of things we got wrong, but they said, look, look at all these better ways to do things now. And the highlight of which was, of course, the laughter-inducing, let's see how long it takes to launch an app on watchOS 2. And that's really funny because it's like that was not something,

Apple will never speak about something like that until they've got a solution for it. And so in this context, it was like, oh, I guess they're allowed to talk about how ridiculously slow watchOS apps are now because they've got a fix for it in watchOS 3. Yeah, so apparently we're going to see instant app launch. And it kind of seemed like it's for recent apps yeah so there might be some data loading but it seemed like for the apps that you use frequently they're going to be updating in the background and they'll be loading almost instantly yeah at one point they mentioned this idea it seems like if an app is in a complication or in the dock which is new, which is for your

preferred favorite apps, I assume. Although it might be recent based. I'm not sure whether you add them or not. But if it's in the dock or if it's in a complication, it has access to running in the background and doing a bunch of stuff that allows those things to be a lot less sluggish. And that seems to be their

compromises. If it's just some random app, it's not going to put any resources toward that. But if it's one of your key apps, then you get this extra power devoted to it, which is great. It's kind of unknown at this point how the home screen is going to look, but it kind of seems like it doesn't matter.

Apple have clearly stated here that basically what you're seeing is notifications, your complications, to launch applications as well from the complications, and then your dock, which is effectively Glances. Glances are no more. Right. And it's now the applications that are in your dock, which is accessed by hitting what used to be the friends button, which has now been replaced with the dock button, will allow you to scroll through some applications. You can move them. I think you can add them. So I think it's a, I don't seem to remember.

It's a manual process. You add what you want and you move them around. You can very quickly go into the applications. But what is great, I think is great, the data is being live updated for those. So you can just scroll through them and see what's in those applications. Which seems like a really nice way to think about it for watch apps. Because most watch apps are just one screen. Right. So why not show them as like just a set of data no it makes a lot of sense and we i know on on this show had talked about the idea that glances were a good idea and the distinction

between glances and apps was kind of complicated and strange. And so with the, with the doc, what you get is apps in something that looks like glances, but it's actually the real apps and the, the distinction goes away. I think it's a, I think it's a great move. I mean, I can't wait to try out the beta of watchOS three, even though it's going to be a beta and scary in that way,

just because the idea that, that apps are going to launch faster and that's just great. So here's something that I really like. Faster message replies and new ways to reply to messages. So one thing that they've done, which I think is fantastic, is removing the amount of steps it takes to reply to a message. A message comes in, you hit reply, then you're given a bunch of options. Now the message comes in and all of the options for replying are right there so your quick replies your emoji i think you can send i think they had a button for digital touch right there which is a smart way of doing it better way to kick off that feature especially of how it's going to integrate with ios which we'll talk about later on i think

that this is a much better way of doing it and And something that they've added, which I really wanted, and I know a lot of people laugh at this, they think it's kind of crazy, is the ability to draw on the screen a response. So you can draw out characters and send a response. Because quite frankly, there are times where you don't want to be speaking into your watch. Exactly. There are times when speech to text is not an appropriate response. And I had this thought when I was looking at the Google announcement about writing on the screen coming to Android Wear. And I thought, well, that's kind of smart because you've got a touchscreen right there.

And sometimes, you know, they also had a keyboard, which I thought was less good. The keyboard was too much on Android. But the idea that you can just quickly jot down a couple of words and it will translate it into text is um i think that's i think it's a good feature so i'm intrigued to see how it will work for me because i've always had a problem with digital touch that my drawings are terrible because i'm left-handed and i wear my watch on my left hand so i have to draw with my right hand and it doesn't seem to work very well for me so i'm interested to see how will I be writing these characters out and will they be legible? I've got a solution for you, Mike.

I don't want to wear a watch on my other hand. Two watches. Two watches. There we go. Two watches. You have the watch that you use for some things and the watch that you use for other things. And it's perfectly reasonable that you would have two watches. Multiple iPads, multiple watches.

And then go multiple phones. Yeah. One for the day. Left pocket, right pocket. New watch faces. It's a constellation of watches. No custom watch faces. No.

I think that that is such a back pocket feature for like a later OS. There's no point doing it now. You could build an entire OS release around something like that. And they have bigger fish to fry. I think that's as much as I would like to see it. And I enjoyed writing about like imagining it and talking about it. They've got other issues, right? Like having your apps launch is a more important issue.

But what they did do is what I hope they would do, more watch faces. So there's a new activity watch face, which looks fantastic. It shows the activity rings right there. They have a mini Mouse to match Mickey. That's great for people that like that. I don't like those watch faces. I don't. They have a numerals one,

which is kind of interesting looking. They're allowing for the ability to add more complications to some watch faces. But something that they did, which is, again, let me come back to that thought in a moment. Something else that they did is allow you to swipe between watch faces now so you can just swipe

on the screen so what I was about to say a lot of these announcements including this one clearly show people that have used the Apple Watch so I was thinking about this recently why was the Apple Watch so kind of unusable in places

like if you look at something like the home screen like nobody can touch those icons easily and I was thinking so kind of unusable in places. Like if you look at something like the home screen, like nobody can touch those icons easily. And I was thinking, I guess that was an OS designed on a computer, not on a watch. And now they've had it on the watch for a couple of years or a year, sorry. And now they're used to seeing how it actually should be used.

Or certainly not tested. I'm sure, obviously, that they tested it and built it on hardware and all that. But the initial hardware is probably not the same size as the final and all of that. And it's locked down to a desk. Right. So then you've got a few months after they announce it where you're doing it. But at that point, you've announced it and shown it and you're just refining it.

And it takes a little bit of time to have that realization that, oh, no, this was the wrong approach. We shouldn't do it this way. And it's tough because I think you're right. Initially, you're designing for a product that you don't really, you have to imagine how people are going to use it. And I feel like there was a real push toward right down to that original Apple Watch launch demo of apps. You just talk about the apps, make it as appy as possible you want to see you know we want to take advantage of the popularity of apps as a way to sell this thing and i think it went to that home screen that was part of the message was look at all these apps that are here you won't use them

and you can't touch them anyway because they're too tiny and you'll tap the wrong one but look at how many there are because i think when we all saw that original Honeycomb UI, I mean, I thought it looked fantastic. Like just the look of it. Sure. It's pretty. All the pretty baubles. Then we used it.

We have some new apps, Reminders and Find My Friends. They were clearly missing before. Yeah. Very much like sort of on the original iPhone. Why is this not here? And then here they are. Reminders. Yeah, that needed to be there. There were hacks to get. You could like make reminders with Siri, phone why they were so why is this not here and then here they are reminders uh yeah that that

needed to be there there were hacks to get you could like make reminders with siri but you couldn't see your reminders on your on your watch so that was bad which led to a great uh keynote moment uh from the lady who was presenting when she checked off presented wwdc yeah i thought that was really great um Fitness as well. So a great feature here, I think, activity sharing. So it's the gamification of the fitness, which is something I think that the Apple Watch has been missing so far. Competing against your friends and family to see who's had the most active day.

This is a great thing. Like people that use Fitbits love this type of stuff. This is a really great thing to have. You're able to click in and actually see someone's rings you can see all of their stuff and um like all of their steps and even third-party data as well can load into that screen which i think is fantastic and then they they spent a bunch of time talking about some of the things they're doing for wheelchair users which was such an apple thing yeah to do. Because whilst it's obviously very important

to be inclusive for people, you could count all of the wheelchair users, I suppose, that use the Apple Watch, and it probably wouldn't be a very large number, but they've obviously spent an incredible amount of resources to make this stuff work for wheelchair users. They changed the stand from time to roll, which I think is great.

They have optimizations and workouts specifically built for wheelchair users, different ways that the Apple Watch can count movement based on the way that somebody will use their arms to move themselves to turn the wheels. I thought all of this was just fantastic and it was such an Apple thing to do because it was like a,

we believe this is something that should be done. So we're going to do this, even though it probably won't move the needle on sales. Well, it fits into their message along with things like the research kit and care kit and things like that. And the idea that this is a fitness watch, but it's also a health product. It fits all of those. It does. All of those it does all of all of those stories so but i was kind of just sitting there like mouth agape i was like this is just fantastic

stuff um we had the breathe app this is something that i've been hoping for actually not this exact thing but something i found quite peculiar so adina has an apple watch and she does pilates and there's no workout for pilates they have no breathing apps like like workout you know in in the workout app but now it looks like they're bringing this stuff in to the apple watch so they're doing breathing exercises and stuff like that i'm looking forward to trying this out something to kind of help you relax it seems like it could be a nice feature i've never done deep breathing of any kind but i'm willing to give this one a go it could be a nice little feature um and again it ties into the whole like making your life better type stuff yep so hi we're from california hi take a breath

exactly take a breath uh it's going to feel like a whole new watch was ke Lynch's closing line on this. Yeah, I hope so. Me too. I'm dubious about instant launching. I've got to say I am because we're up to watch OS three now and it has, you know, watch us too. Didn't fix it. Uh, I'm dubious about it. I'm in, I, and I really, really hope they have been able to succeed on this because it will make the product more attractive. Well, he did say seven times that particular app was launching seven times faster so i like that idea that you know maybe if that app took 14 seconds to launch now it takes two seconds to launch it's not necessarily instant but still that's the difference between using the app and giving up yep in disgust right? Should we take a break? Sure, why not?

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I do like it when we record in person, Jason. It's very nice. It is. It's different, though. I was saying before we started to our engineer, Stephen Hackett. Who's sitting right here. Hi, Stephen. Hey, guys.

We both held our microphones out, so that was Stephen in stereo. I was saying to him that I feel like I need to put headphones in and turn away from you just to get the full upgrade feeling. But instead, no, see, Steven can laugh at our jokes now that he's been revealed to be here. I do feel like, though, Upgrade is the show I've recorded most frequently in person. That could be. I mean, we did one in Portland. We did this last year in San Francisco. In Ireland, in London.

We've done a world tour of this show already. We have. Next stop, I don't know where, but it's good. No, it's good. It's always fun to do these in person. I think you can tell when somebody else has thought of something and has another idea and wants to jump in. It's just, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

TVOS. TVOS, it's an operating system for television before i forget eddie q was a disaster today was he he was stumbling and fumbling he made some mistakes that's that's for sure so did the guy the fitness guy had a lock up during the apple watch presentation where he had to actually repeat his line to remember what his next line was like i felt for him but it was his first time you know q's been doing this for a while and there were a few things in tv os later in ios i didn't understand what he was he stepped on the features a couple of times where he was supposed to do this you right now it does a but now it'll do a and then b and instead he was

like right now it does a and b uh and now it'll do b um and he in one of my favorite uh keynote fumbles of all time when he was trying to show off the siri search yeah and he skipped forward a slide yeah to show that it's it's not searching which we know it's not searching anything it's just the next slide although that was a very mike at the movies slide wasn't it high school movies from the 80s yeah i was impressed we've seen most of those. We have. We haven't done one of those in a while. But Eddie, and somebody in the chat room is saying that Eddie didn't, at least he didn't dance.

Not true. I don't know if it came through on the live stream or not. But when the Apple Music demo was done and she was playing the music and saying goodbye and throwing it back to Eddie, he came out and he was dancing a little. saying goodbye and throwing it back to eddie um uh he came out and he was dancing a little so anyway tv os you know um it was it's it's new they they announced a bunch of partnerships that's that's actually a big deal for them uh with more live tv stuff that i i'm intrigued by the idea that they now have this live tv feature if you're some somebody who's got services that offer live tv you can now basically use the siri remote say, turn to this station essentially. And it will launch the right app and get you to the stream that's showing that station. And I, I did like

that because I've been in those cases where I'm like, is this on the ESPN go app? Or is this on the Fox sports now app or the Fox soccer app or, and now it'll just be, um, you know, you can just use Syrian and it's mapping those apps to the channels that they, that they offer. So I thought that was clever. There's some other serious stuff. Um, I think the big feature here, other than dark mode, which Joe steel, we got a full credit. He called, I think he called that one. Um, and some of these others single sign on, I think is really good. They didn't go into a lot of detail about it, but the idea there, and this may also require some support by the providers in question,

but I like the idea that I can put in my cable credentials and I don't have to keep doing it every time I launch another app. This all goes over my head because we just don't have this. I know, but I have access to all these apps that is through my cable subscription. So they're okay with streaming as long as you're paying for your TV.

And so this way, theoretically, I will be able to put in my, my cable information once. And then when I download a new app that requires proof that I am a cable subscriber, it will be able to give them that proof and I won't have to worry about it. That's good.

So they said, this is the live tune and stuff as well, right? where they'll be able to launch applications which are the live channels and they said that this would also be on uh on ios as well on the ipad yeah that's right so you should be able to tell you know siri on um on ios to tune to espn and it should be able to do it this sounds pretty cool i think they didn't announce and it would be able to do it. This sounds pretty cool. I think they didn't announce, and it would be nice, an inverse of that feature for people like you, which is I do not have a cable login and make all the things that require it go away.

Yes, please. Wouldn't that be nice? Move straight on. They didn't really spend a lot of time on tvOS, to be honest, and a lot of the things that they did were just enhancements. Oh, Siri's better.

Yeah. You know, we have more channels. It's fine. They added a bunch of developer stuff. So Apple Watch developers, or I mean, Apple TV developers can get stuff like on the gaming side, they've got the ability to live stream gameplay and save video, which is great for people who are all those Apple TV gamers. Serious Apple TV streamers.

Sure. Mac OS or Mac OS. Or Mac OS. What do you mean Mac OS? Don't you mean OS X, Mike? Oh, but no. Oh, but no. Here we are.

Mac OS. Jason. Okay. So. I've been agitating for this for a while now. What do you think? I mean, you were, you've been saying this for a long time. I was ahead of the curve on this one.

But what do you think about the way it's formatted? Like, you know, are you in the capital M camp? Well, I typed macOS, all one word, lowercase m, and it just, you know, it auto-corrected it. I assume they'll change the auto-correct dictionary very soon to not do this, but it auto-corrected to capital macOS. I think once you've joined Mac and OS together, all bets are off.

So if you want to lowercase it too fine whatever there was no way they couldn't it's fine the idea of no it's parallel because that's why it exists is to be parallel with ios tv os and watch os so it has to be that way it's always 10 i was more interested in the fact that they didn't number it and then and they did keep with the california place names uh's what I said last week, right? No number? Sierra. Sierra. It's generic.

I was disappointed. I think it's a nice name, and it's a name everybody can pronounce, and it is a California place name. It's not nice to spell, though. If you don't know it. I before E. But then double R. It's a tricky one.

It's an awkward one. All right. And it's almost like they're zooming out. There was Yosemite and then there was, well, no, then I guess they zoomed into El Capitan. But Yosemite's in the Sierra, Sierra Nevada Mountains, the Sierra. So they've sort of like backed out of there now. But it's our mountain range in California. I love a mountain.

And so it is a range, the high Sierras, the Sierra Nevada Mountains. It's not a place, like a specific place. So it's an interesting choice. But I think it's a good name. It's less weird than some of the other names. It's better than Mavericks. And it is. And El Capitan.

El Capitan. So, okay, so Mac OS Sierra. It's a little weird to say that, though, right? And not Mac OS 10 Sierra. It's Mac OS Sierra. say that, though, right? And not macOS 10 Sierra. It's macOS Sierra. Yeah, I like it, though. Yeah, I think it's fine. I think we'll get used to it very quickly.

I really like it. So they broke down a few features here. Some are actually, I think, pretty interesting. So we've got continuity. Auto unlock via the Apple Watch. Now, this is an interesting one. Yeah. Because it doesn't need to be the Apple Watch. Now this is an interesting one. Yeah. Because they,

it doesn't need to be the Apple Watch. You know, like I know that one of the reasons that they can do the auto unlock stuff is because if it's on your body, it's unlocked. Right. And if it's on your body, it means that it's on you.

And there's some proximity things going on there. But I think it's very interesting that they chose, because what they also could have done, I don't know if they are doing this in a show on stage, is unlocking by Touch ID. And they might, since they're going to do that for Apple Pay. But I think it's a nice way to sell more watches. It's another Apple Watch feature, which is great.

Universal clipboard. Sherlock Time for a bunch of third-party apps. Yeah, but they were never going to be able to do it like you could do it if you're in the system right now there was always buttons you had to press this looks amazing yeah anybody who's using an ios device as in a mac it is and i always thought you know yeah that's true too right yeah i'm i'm excited about about all of that kind of stuff the icloud drive feature is fascinating to me because... I don't get this yet because what it seems like is they've created Dropbox. Well, they have created Dropbox and

somebody said, oh, well, you know, I think Paul Kafasas in our little talk show chat that we were doing said, you know, that's enough of a feature set to make somebody like Dropbox feel a little bit nervous. But the thing is only if it's implemented well and the devil's always in the details. And let's be honest, iCloud Drive is one of those places where the details haven't really been there. But it's interesting, the idea that it will sync your desktop. I put my podcast projects on the desktop, so that's like eight terabytes of data.

Well, it's not, but it's large files on the desktop that I'm concerned about don't go into dropbox right that's why they're there yeah so i but it's an interesting idea sync your desktop in addition to other document folders make it available on other macs make it available on your iphones i think more interesting than that is that this idea of essentially unlimited storage or at least optimized storage it depends on how much iCloud storage you buy. But the idea that, especially since we have SSDs on our devices

and they don't have a lot of storage space, that it will basically take those files and have them be in the cloud and delete them off your drive, basically. And that is a tricky thing and can lead to some very problematic experiences for users. If it's a file they want and they get in an airplane and they don't have it anymore, something like that. But it's also an interesting approach to, to, to save you from having, you know, a full hard drive as someone though who is currently using a mobile hotspot

on their iMac I don't like the idea of iCloud also uploading all my files so I will not be turning that feature on for the time being because I can't have Dropbox and iCloud uploading everything all the time but it this Dropbox should never have had to exist. Right, right. Those features could entirely have been implemented by the platform owners. And it got there first, which is not surprising. That often happens. And what I think was surprising

is that it's taken Apple this long to get to this point. But I trust Dropbox more. I trust Dropbox more. Just because they've been doing it for longer, right? They've worked out a lot of the kinks that I'm sure Apple's about to bump into. Yeah, and they've added features that, you know, easy sharing features and upload features and things like that. Is Apple really going to have that here? What about companies like CrashPlan and Backblaze? Is this

a thing that maybe they should be a little concerned about because i mean we focus on dropbox but apple is effectively saying they're backing up as well here right in fact they're taking everything i don't know i don't know it depends on what they do they they uh i mean a backup is not a it's not the same no as a backup but it could be something that makes people less concerned about it. I had a thought when they showed how much storage they were saving and they included in there how many gigabytes of backups you had. I thought, well, it would be very interesting if some of your time machine backup data also got put in iCloud and you saved it on your hard drive. That would be weird, but that would be sort of like having an online backup. I don't know. Some of this optimized storage stuff makes me a little uncomfortable as well yeah well it's

certainly a concept that that is it's very new and it's and it's you know okay you're gonna just automatically delete files for me and put them in the cloud like i don't know how i feel about this like for example i didn't know that on my iphone i had the toggle for optimized for storage space and when i was on the plane i was looking for some photos to show federico and they were all in really low resolution yeah taken like three weeks ago yeah my phone's got tons of space like i don't know what it's doing but I was in a scenario in which I couldn't get to my files, but I believed they were there. Now, that could then start happening to my keynote presentations. Exactly, and that's the risk you take with stuff like this.

They're supposed to be doing smart things, right? But there could be a case where you need a file. They don't use so much the computer knows. Exactly. They don't know the context of everything. doing smart things right but but there could be a case where you you know you need a file the computer knows exactly you know it might have been my six month anniversary of filling out that document right like i do every six months but when i need it like i really need it but now i can't get to it yeah so this is this is clearly where we should be going especially because we're generating more data with smaller hard drives because just before we came here i had uh my iMac and my MacBook Pro giving me full disk errors both of them were doing it wow um so i had to do it start doing some selective syncs off on Dropbox but

you know like i cannot wait for Dropbox Infinite that's what i'm looking forward to yeah i agree and i'm gonna let iCloud take another couple of years and I'll come back to this. Apple Pay on the web. Fantastic, right? Sure, I'm all for it. Authenticate with Touch ID on your phone or tapping a button on your watch

or the Touch ID that will be coming to the Mac, right? Like the whole time I'm like, okay, okay. And also like, you know, the whole time I'm like, okay, okay. And also like, you know, with the Siri stuff as well, the Siri button that will be on the MacBook Pros, right? Eventually. I was unclear on, that was one of the things that I was really unclear on that they did not go into any detail about

is they show that you can click on the dock. But Craig was in full screen apps and bringing up Siri. What was he pressing? He was pressing a hotkey, clearly which you can set up today on the Mac you can set up a hotkey I expect it will be one of the function buttons

on the keyboards currently it will just become the Siri key it just obviously won't have the Siri painted on it until they release Sierra or it's the double tap to do dictation. Double tap the function key or the command key. Maybe you hold it.

But hey, Siri's there. That's good. So it's doing some of the stuff that we hoped it would, right, on OS X, like getting your files for you. Craig was showing some sophisticated queries, like give me the files from Ken last week that are still in draft mode. I want to see how that kind of stuff works.

I don't know if people actually ask or need those things, but I guess if you do, it's great. You can drag Siri file results into documents, which are cool. It was great in a keynote, and he was like, can you find me this image, and then drags it from the search results. Siri had a slightly different sounding voice.

Oh, did she? Yeah, it sounded a little bit more lifelike to me. A little upgrade. Yeah, it's like as soon as I heard it, I was like, ooh, something's new here. But, I mean, I'm going to... It wasn't Siri 2.0, was it? No, it wasn't.

Let's be honest about this. Like, and Siri keeps popping up, and there's a bunch of siri stuff throughout ios as well but this whole like you just wait to wwdc siri's gonna blow your mind that didn't happen no they're putting it everywhere and i i guess i guess they don't have to have it at wwdc because it's a web service and they can keep on having it be better over time um and so perhaps they will but that that was not what we got what we got was more siri everywhere um and that's fine and siri on the mac great it it it's that's great because it

was everywhere else yeah it was you know it was crazy that it wasn't there uh but a couple of features before we round off mac os can you explain this tabs thing to me? It went completely over my head. It looks like apps can be put in a mode where instead of generating windows, they just generate tabs within a single window. It's a single window. That was what I said. I turned to Dan Morin during the keynote.

At that point, I said, I don't like it. But some people love tabs. I'm the kind of person who turns the feature off in Photoshop where it wants to open all the images and tabs. And I click that off because I want my windows, every image to be in its own window. But some people love, you know, browser tabs. This was the argument, right? People love browser tabs.

So they did finder tabs. People love finder tabs. So now they're going to tab it all. Tab the world. Tab everything. Everything is in a tab. And every tab is in a thing. And that's just

how it's going to be and so fair enough that's that's i that's one of those features that i find um not particularly interesting because i don't want all of my apps to store all of my things in tabs but for some people it really is a big feature it was it was one of the things in the keynote i was like i don't understand what just happened like what like who who's doing this i don't know i'm picture in picture yeah that was good although i was a little disappointed it looks like it's it's very much the ios picture in picture where you can drag it to the corners and there are times when i was kind of hoping on the mac you could just sort of drag on the 27 inch iMac just let me put that thing wherever wherever i want i've got so much screen space it's not getting in the way of anything.

Yeah, and maybe there's a way to take it out of snapping to the corners and doing that. And you might think, well, that's kind of a dumb feature. You can just watch video on the Mac and what does it matter? But the fact is that having video, I will often have video going and I have to shrink the window and I have to move it into a corner and i have to try to move everything else around it so it doesn't cover it and so having a having the video be floating on top is a really great feature and on full on top of full screen apps as well sure i think that's really cool um i know i'll be using that for taking notes of events in the future i'll look forward to seeing that yeah Yeah. All right. Shall we take our second break and then move into iOS? That's, yeah, I think so.

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Okay, let's move into iOS. 10 Features of 10 is what we have here. Yes, there was a little theme. 10 of 10. First one, very peculiarly named. It was called User Experience. What it was actually was the lock screen and the home screen. And 3D Touch all over the place here.

Love 3D Touch. This is a good example of finding ways to use 3D Touch all over the place. A lot of 3D Touch. This is a good example of finding ways to use 3D Touch. I'm not entirely convinced that there aren't equivalents, right? If you're on a device that doesn't do 3D Touch to tap and hold or to tap and swipe or things like that. There may be other things. But the way they demoed is you do 3D Touch. You can pop these things up. You have the ability to do all sorts of interactions in these notifications.

Also, the ability that it detects when you sort of raise your phone. Yeah, because Touch ID is so fast. And it wakes it up so that you don't have that Touch ID issue. So that was really smart, too. They're kind of floating bubbles over the wallpaper is the design that they've gone with for it, which I think is really nice. that they've gone with for it, which I think is really nice. And you can get those details when you kick off something with 3D Touch,

including sort of animations and other information from, it's not just plain old notification. The apps are basically able to do stuff from the lock screen. So if you have a calendar event, you can pop it open, take a look at your availability for the day. If you get a message, you can pop it open, you can reply, you can see video. they've also changed some of the other stuff uh on the lock screen you can swipe to

the right now for the camera and you can swipe to the left what was on the left widgets widgets and they called them widgets as well yeah but it's like the stuff that lives in notification center stuff which also pop up in the 3d Touch Actions now on the home screen, which I thought was really cool. And that seems to be maybe the same interaction that you get to embed something as a Notification Center widget and to embed it as a 3D touchable thing in the Notification Screen on the lock screen.

Those seem to be the same thing. So it's giving you a... It's like going back to the Apple Watch, right? With the same so it's giving you it it's like it's like going back to the apple watch right with the dock it's giving you a peek into applications without needing to open them right i think that's quite nice that feels like a really good use of 3d touch i can see i agree that this is the like next evolution of what they attempted to do here rather than just some shortcuts we're really putting a lot of stuff into here. I am very intrigued to see how this stuff carries over to devices that don't have 3D Touch, like the iPad line.

Yeah, and the iPhone SE. Yeah, what happens there, I don't know. But the greatest feature in all features, 3D Touch on Notification Center to clear all notifications. The best. That's a good one. Very happy about that one.

Fixing an annoyance there. And the multi-page concept that you've got sort of your camera on one side and notification center on the other side, but also that in the control center, the same thing, you end up being able to swipe. To get to the music.

To get to the audio controls. Yeah, there's multiple pages in Control Center now, too. No visible customization of Control Center. Not so far that we could see, yeah. Which is a shame. That one seemed like they were going that way. I know. 3D Touch, 3D Touch, 3D Touch, and Control Center.

Moving on. It felt like it was building to it, but it didn't happen. Didn't happen. Siri API opening up to developers this has rolled out exactly the way that i expected it would which was limited types of applications can take advantage of siri api and they listed them as messaging ride booking photo search workouts payments and voip calls yes This seems like the exact right way to build the Siri API.

Create a bunch of interactions that build into the system and build out from there. This is what I did with multitasking. This makes so much sense to me. I know it will upset some developers, but I think if they tried to go too wide, I don't think it would work. So I'm interested to see how this comes out.

It seemed a bit clunky in areas like even in the demos you know saying i would like to send a wechat message to x you know i think maybe for some people just saying what the word message means you know like a little bit of siri training like send a message to x and then siri says how do you like to send messages oh in telegram i'll remember that for later. Thank you. And they say also that he said there's an intense API, which I laughed at because it's like, it's a

very intense API. It's an API. But they mean intense, I-N-T-E-N-T-S. The idea that you don't have to come up with the phrasing. You say, here is what this does. And then Siri can listen and understand from a bunch of different contexts

what you want to do and then move that along. And they seem to be saying there, hey, developers, you don't have to do any of this work of trying to understand what people are saying. We're going to do all of that. You just need to write to the API saying, here are the services that I offer. And if that's the case, is it any wonder that they have a limit of the ones that they're going to hit first? And it looks like it was kind of built into extensions as well. They kind of mentioned extensions a bunch of times.

Yeah, I mean, that's a theme, I would say, of this entire iOS presentation. It's actually, I think, great for developers on that level because they're really opening the doors and saying, you hit access to all sorts of things now. Siri API is one of them, but there are many others that were in this demo. They said, you can be in Maps and you can be in Messages. And there's just all of these different places where developers can now go through extensions, essentially. And on the lock screen, your app can run on the lock screen, essentially, as a widget. Like, they seem like they're opening up the first-party applications to be tinkered with by third parties, you know? And the Maps one, which we'll get to in a minute, is, I think, one of the bigger examples of that.

I agree. But we have QuickType. More intelligent suggestions for QuickType. They're to use siri information to try and interpret what people are talking about yeah this is the another example where where you see that apple sort of wants siri to be the brand for its intelligent assistant in all contexts even when there's no there's no voice but at other times confusingly they seem to kind of conflate everything that happens with voice to siri yep and i think they just want to have it both ways at this point which is which is fine i i think it's fine um there's some of the stuff that can happen now in the quick type bar

so apparently if somebody has asked you oh do you have john's email they will give you some suggestions of who they think john is and you could just paste their email address in it can help you make appointments check availability your current you can send your current location if somebody asks where are you these seem like great features but quick type seemed like a really great feature when it you know with the with the intelligent suggestions when it first came out if it works fantastic and but then they gave the real federico vatici feature here multilingual typing i was watching federico yesterday trying to type in english and he was like what he was like trying to write something out and it wasn't working it wasn't like what is happening here i can type

better than this he had the italian keyboard and he didn't know so he has to switch between italian english keyboards constantly multilingual typing is a fantastic feature that will help a lot of people. Yeah. So I think that's great. Because, you know, my girlfriend doesn't have autocorrect because she doesn't have it, never had it turned on because she types in Romanian and English and doesn't want to switch keyboard. Right. So she'll be able to now have autocorrect turned on because she'll be able to type in

two different languages. That's great. It's great. Photos. Now, this was big too. This was actually a platform-wide, an Apple-wide announcement, but it was tucked into the iOS announcement here. Very Google Photos-like. Yeah, very much so, but with the Apple spin that they are doing all of this stuff on device,

because that's part of the deal with Apple is that your stuff is your own, and it's not sitting unencrypted up on an Apple server where Apple can see it. So this has always been the challenge. You've been able to do analyzing faces on the Mac in photos, in iPhoto, right, for a while. And you couldn't do it on iOS because they weren't powerful enough or whatever. Well, here it is. They have done, and they used all the buzzwords. They said it's deep learning, advanced computer vision, advanced search, facial recognition.

They used all the buzzwords to say that now your iPhone will analyze your photo library on device and find the faces and find objects and scenes and do 11 billion computations per photo so good luck your battery has just died yeah but that from that and use advanced artificial intelligence to cluster together your photos so the the difference is that um when google does this they do it in the cloud and when apple does it they got to do it in on the device they got to do it in the os and they can maybe save metadata but but they're doing the processing uh on the devices i can't i can't get my head around it how it can be done on the on the device devices are pretty powerful these days yeah i i don't understand enough of this stuff right but there's just something about it sounds to me it's like surely it would be better if you're able to share this data right like the

way that google does and they can kind of collate it together and learn more like where is apple's ai learning from what's it how what is it learning what is a horse if it's you know all of the pictures that it believes the horse is not communicating with each other where is that data coming from i don't understand it like google's data is built by the photos that they have uploaded to their service and over time they're able to build from that to create the information where is apple's information i don't know that's what i can't understand like you're doing 11 billion computations but what is it matching against i don't get it yeah i don't know how does it know what a mountain is you know maybe it's differential privacy maybe that's the answer yeah i don't know. How does it know what a mountain is? Maybe it's differential privacy.

Maybe that's the answer. Yeah. Speaking of things I don't understand. All of this stuff, it sounds great, right? So how does it work? Face recognition, object recognition, scene recognition, powerful searching, people, places, and topics built into something called memories

where apparently they're trying to link together who they believe people are the places that you've been to the things that it thinks happening let's say birthdays or something and trying to put these into like a new view in the application which will allow you to look at memories it creates slideshows all of this stuff looks fantastic right but i right now i'm just dubious that they can pull it off like Google can. Because that's what they have to do. Because Google Photos is seriously impressive stuff.

But it's not perfect. Right? And there's a lot of time it will get things wrong. I mean, it gets a lot right. But it will get it wrong. And I think it gets it wrong with all of that data at their disposal. With these incredibly powerful network of cloud computers which are crunching through these files i'm i'm very keen to see how this plays out but

i've got to say i don't have a lot of hope in it interesting we'll see i'm a doubter on this one we'll see it's it's uh i think what apple is trying to do is prove that you don't need to be google to have these features i'm in their presentations they're doing a good job of that but well yeah let's see reality yeah because you know i as somebody who is not as concerned with this stuff it concerns me to see Apple doubling down when I personally believe they can't do it without the cloud data. That's my personal belief. And I want to be proven wrong,

but that's just what I think. I think Google's able to do it because Google has all the data at their disposal. And I think Apple's doubling down on this data and never leaves. Well, I get your point that if the only mountains that, well, obviously they've got, I think they've got seed data. And who knows where they're getting that, where they're getting the data from all sorts of different images. Maybe it's the web and they're training them.

And then those algorithms are then applied to your photos. But that's a little different than what Google is able to do, where it's looking at all the photos in its own library and using it. But it's not that an approach that does not use, you know, use its own services data is necessarily going to fail. It's interesting that they're trying this, right? Because this is their thing. And they are very specifically refuting Google's claim that this is what you need. We have to have this stuff because otherwise you can't do it and apple's saying yeah we can do it so we'll see if they can do it i think it's a ballsy move at least because they're basically saying yeah we can do all that stuff that google does so yeah and it comes up this just was mentioned in the chat room

and i was thinking it too you mentioned not having photos on your device. Like, okay, so if I don't have iCloud photo library on my iPhone, how does this work? If I have it not, I don't have the whole library on there. Well, it can't analyze those photos, right? Or is it downloading them in the background and then analyzing them and then deleting them again? Is it saving metadata to the cloud? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's saving the metadata to the cloud. Faces does that now. Faces on the Mac will save the names, I'm sure it's saving the metadata. The cloud faces does that now. Faces on the Mac will save the names of the faces

in the photo of the cloud. It's just not analyzing it on the other devices. But how do you do that if you're, you know... If my phone isn't downloading images from 10 years ago, how can it find them? Exactly. Right. Exactly.

And how does that work? And is it just that any device needs to touch it and it does the processing and then it puts the tags on it in iCloud and then iCloud finds them? It could be. That could be it. fine um a lot of the stuff like the turn by turn stuff looks great but it doesn't really mean much to me uh we have proactive suggestions so like google does a really good job of this understanding when you're going to be in a certain place uh looking at your recent search history and suggesting things that you might want to be directed to so it looks like apple's going to be starting building that stuff into maps um it looks like quite good search, so you can search restaurants, and then you can be, then you will suggest a bunch of restaurant types that are in the area, so you can narrow stuff down by just tapping some icons.

But the big thing here, I think, about Maps is the opening up to developers. So they showed an example where now with new Maps integration with developers, you could find a restaurant book the table on open table and then order an uber pay for all of it in apple pay and you never left maps yeah that's cool i like that yeah i mean that's a very specific i mean what else are you going to do in maps all right like it is booking tables and ordering cars and maybe paying for transport, like maybe paying for a bus or something like,

you know, there aren't going to be many things that could tie into maps, but as someone who does these, this type of thing, like I find a restaurant and then I want to book a table at the restaurant and go to the restaurant. Like I do that. Like when I'm somewhere like here,

like in San Francisco, we're deciding to go out for dinner. I will do those three things in different applications I will look in Foursquare for a place I will open up Google Maps to find how how far away it is and then I'll open up Uber to order an Uber doing all of that in one place I like that I think that'd be cool it's just it's one of the cases of just bringing the apps together to make this stuff easier uh but i'm probably not going to switch away from google maps because the point of interest data in where i frequent in london is just not as good and i want to know when things are around and apple maps just doesn't seem to give me the information in the same way well i you know this

is one of those funny things where you're also talking about these new these new map features on one level you want to applaud the new map features because it's good that they're adding them. Yep. On another level, I look at some of the new map features, some of the driving directions features, points of interest on the way, being able to say it's going to be five minutes to this gas station, two minutes to this gas station. Great, great. Those totally should be there. That said, those features existed in third-party gps apps that i downloaded like four or five years ago because something like ways which is yeah well navagon had those and

back five years ago when i was using that where you literally just download an app with all the maps in it instead of just using a streaming map from from platform owner or from Google. And so, yay, but at the same time, these are not new features. I think it would be just as fair to say why didn't any of these features exist in Maps before, but it's good that they're there, and it's good that they mentioned, this is one of the places they mentioned CarPlay,

which is good because some of my complaints about CarPlay, right, where like, hey, you know, let me use Siri more in the car and be more useful for things like navigation, which is like the most important thing that you're going to have in the car. So, you know, that was all good. that you're going to have in the car. So, you know, that was all good. But at the same time, yeah, I also had that other moment of that. I've seen this all before. It just wasn't.

Apple just didn't do it. Then we had a feeling of dread. Craig handed over to Eddie Q to talk about music. There was a feeling. What was going to happen? Eddie did some preamble and then handed over to a lady. And I'm going to my best here uh bazaar st john i think so something like that i thought she was fantastic she did the music presentations that should have been done because do you know what she was doing she was singing and dancing and talking about you know talking about music the way that she

likes it and she had a bunch of attitude she She did what Eddie Cue attempted to do. And from my perspective, watching it, it worked. And I enjoyed all of it. I thought she was fantastic. You were there. How did it come across in the room? Yeah, she brought a lot of energy, which was great. There was a, you know, it was a...

I think it depends on how you read the humor because she was trying to get enthusiasm out of developers for music I read it as intentionally trying to get something out of a group that she knew she wasn't going to get anything out of and that was funny because of that, but you can, you know, you can take it either way,

but it was, it was, she was walking the walk in terms of showing enthusiasm about and love of music and how music affects her life and her every day, her mood and how she, you know, goes to work in the morning and things like that. And I think that is good because that's,

that's, that's a way to get across why something like apple music is important i love their attitude like it's fresh and different for an apple presentation well yeah that's that's for sure too not to have a you know eddie q yep right she was not eddie q yep um we had news as well apparently there was an all-new design. It looked exactly the same, just there was a new coat of paint on it. Everything was still there. Yeah, it looked like that and Apple News was the same way. I guess this big, bold, blocky, all caps fonts at the tops of screens is a new design basically just like for both music and news things were just moved around it didn't look like a ground that redesign like they were saying i mean i need to see it move some stuff around it's not been moved around but it's not like a fundamental rethink like the watch no i think the big i think one of the big things they did was this idea that you've got your music

and you've got the music that's on this device being explicitly there that's good to go back to your your statement about um being on a plane and being surprised that something's not on your phone there's nothing worse than being on a plane thinking you've got some music to listen to and you find out you don't have any that was saved to the device so there's there's some good there but yeah it did not seem like a real rethink it was more like you said a new coat of paint built in lyrics is great absolutely Apple news all new design you can subscribe to newspaper magazines now and breaking news notifications I have nothing to say I'd never use this application

I guess I'll have to look at it again because they made changes to it but it's just not 60 million monthly users in news they say I'm not sure if that's good actually for a built in for a built-in Apple app. I'm not sure that's great. But how many monthly users does Apple have?

Like, they have 15 million paying Apple Music subscribers. Right. 60 million Apple News readers. Doesn't seem that many when you compare that. These are people willing to give Apple money for a service. This is like a built-in news application. And I guess when you swipe to Spotlight,

does it still open in news? Yes, I think so. It's built into the... I don't think there's enough going on there. Anyway, they're still pushing it. So there it is. HomeKit. Talked about HomeKit. Seems like it was the same presentation I've seen a couple of times yeah the big thing there is that they created the home app

and they've also put it into uh control center you swipe past the music controls and you've got home controls and that's fun you know great that one of the problems with home kit was that it was invisible that there were things that used home kit and you could use siri for it but there wasn't home kit central there wasn't the place you could go and so it was invisible it was just you know you could use third-party apps for whatever devices and you could use siri but now now they're integrating it and i think that's good just for people to see oh here's all my stuff if you've got home kit compatible stuff that is yeah that that's the problem they're saying that more devices are coming we'll have to guess wait and see yeah well i mean the first time they announced home kit a year went by and nothing shipped

so they're doing better now but yeah uh phone there is a voicemail transcription beta so it will give you the text transcriptions of your voicemail yeah yeah i mean i i hope it's better than the google voice transcriptions because those were always terrible and a voip api so incoming calls from services like they i think they use slack and skype and cisco will look like regular calls they can be in contacts you can choose to call someone it's part of me that's like hmm is there anything else in there that maybe we can use is there anything hiding in the voip api probably not no i don't think so either but like it's that you know maybe maybe it's finally what we need as podcasters to

record on ios but yeah maybe maybe i think it's more likely i mean i like this idea that if you use skype or whatever else that it can be a phone call now instead of a push notification. It would be treated like a phone call, like up here with the phone app, essentially. And it'll show up in recents and all that is good. I do think as an aside for podcasters, at this point, I would bet you that the most likely scenario where podcasters are going to be able to use iOS is that the WebKit project will support WebRTC and all those websites that will let you record podcasts through a web app will start to work with Safari, including on iOS. Right now, that's my guess.

We'll see. Unless there's something tucked into iOS 10, that may be our first hope because supposedly they're working on that. Big feature, Messages. something tucked into ios 10 that may be our first hope because supposedly they're working on that big feature messages messages is the big feature of ios 10 it turns out i don't think this is a bad move i i mean if you don't use messages or another chat service more to the point perhaps you may be baffled about why this is there but some of the most popular apps in the world are chat apps. Yes. And Apple is borrowing liberally from all of them. All of them, yeah.

It's like from Line and from WeChat. And from Snapchat. Facebook. Yeah, sure. And they want in on this. They don't want to lose. They don't want to make it that, um, messages is this dowdy app in the corner that Apple gives you that you immediately replace with something that is cool that everybody's on. And, and the,

the things that have proven to be very, uh, popular with, with people on these services are things like effects and emoji and, uh, animations and, uh, stickers.

These are all things that you can scoff and say, oh, those are really dumb, but sure, whatever, you can believe what you like, but they are popular. These are all popular features. Apple is not making... I didn't react with this like I reacted with some of the original Apple Watch features where I'm like, do they really think that people are going to use the digital touch feature or something like that? These are proven. These are almost like table stakes in messaging today, all of these features.

And Apple was very serious with messages before and kind of way behind. Now, whether this will convince anybody to catch up or if it's just going to make those of us who are still so uncool that we mostly use messages feel cool when we're really still uncool i don't know you're always cool um so let's run through some of this stuff like unconnected i think i was talking about how what i really wanted from messages for it was it to become aware of the internet and like so because previously you send the link to someone nothing happened happened. We now have rich links. We have things like stickers that are coming in. This is all stuff that's happening in other chat apps. Big emoji.

I love big emoji. When you just send an emoji and it just becomes a big emoji. I love all of the apps that do that. Seriously, I think it's fantastic. Well, emoji, big emoji is a big thing. I was really happy to see that because emoji art is so detailed. And at the default sizes, it's actually even hard to see what all the details are so make them bigger and apple is going to be suggesting emoji as you type which is good i'm currently using gboard it came out in the uk

i've actually switched to it as my default keyboard a bit of follow-up from last week yes i didn't know you could remove the default keyboard, but it turns out you can, and I have. So I'm using Gboard completely right now. It's like a feature request that was heard retroactively. It was fantastic. I was so happy. And then they have a feature that I really think is excellent for people to learn the use of emoji. Right, which is the emoji...

Suggestions. Yeah. So basically, you can write out a message. And when you hit the emoji button, you get a bunch of words highlighted in yellow that you can then tap and choose an emoji to represent that word instead. So they use basketball, for example, and they could change it to a basketball. But there was like a love and you can choose from a bunch of different hearts and faces with the heart eyes and all of that stuff. What a fantastic feature this is. I thought that was great.

I thought that was really fun. What an interesting way to use emoji. Yeah. I haven't seen something like that. And I'm fully on board the emoji train and people, some people roll their eyes at emoji now. But, you know, my mom sends me emoji. I have no time for people that judge emojis. I know.

There you go. So we're not going to even talk about them anymore. I'm turning my back on them. So it's great. I like to see that. What I didn't see is an improvement to Apple's emoji keyboard because one of the problems with it is I want to be able to search for a particular thing. Yeah. I mean, I guess I could type a thing and have it suggest.

But it's like if I want to pick a flag, I want be able to like have it yeah find a flag for me or whatever but but still a lot of fun to to have the the not only the kind of replacement emoji when you toggle to the emoji keyboard but that even in the little smart bar it will uh suggest emoji for you yep then we have bubble effects which uh reminded me of google's whisper and shout thing from Allo a couple of weeks ago. But we have animations, so you can make the bubbles big, you can make them small,

they have an invisible ink feature where you can wipe it away. It's like a transition where they kind of pop in in various ways and animate and then end up being the bubble that you expect. I thought all of these look really fun i actually thought that was way better than google's approach which is i'm going to make my text smaller big change the font it's well this is the difference the the old school apple google

difference right like apple do it with a bunch of crazy polish and they make animations go mad google says hey we can put a slider there for font size but I mean, I still like the Allo one, and now I think Apple's one looks more intriguing to me. You can have full screen effects and animations. Yeah. Like fireworks go off when you send a message. Your friends can really annoy you by sending those things, but it'll be funny. I'm going to drive people crazy.

You know, Mike, I was sitting there thinking, I don't think I'm ever going to use that, except that I will use it to annoy mike when mike annoys me with it and steven too but everyone is you you are my you are sort of my top digital touchers as well so if it's an if it's a wacky feature from apple i'll be getting it from you gentlemen so i look forward to the confetti messages to come. There's a kind of pseudo emoji reactions type thing where someone can send you a message and you can like it or heart it or something like that.

Yeah. Which is kind of cool. It's again trying to get across, you know, communication modes that don't work when you're not in the room with a person. Handwritten messages. Feature built for me, I think. A little inky kind of thing.

I can just draw all my messages. I won't send my messages by texting anymore. I'll just write them all. No, it's adorable. Why not? Yeah. And then digital touch. Finally come to the iPhone.

Yeah. Oh, at last. I know. So you'll be able to, and it looks like it's gone a step further. You can draw on images and all that sort of stuff. There were also a lot of, I mean, there were a lot of gestures. Like, you know, just double tap on this and you can send this thing. And you can just on images and and all that sort of stuff there were also a lot of i mean there were a lot of gestures like you know just double tap on this and you can send this thing and you just swipe up here and all that it looks complex but snapchat is impossible to understand and that's very popular i know um they have things like listening to music in line and

stuff like that but the big thing i think here is they've opened it to developers they like rushed through this but it's going to be an app store it's's going to be an iMessage app store. Yeah. But they were just like, yeah, it'll be an iMessage app store. And then it was like they were just jumping through. Yeah, you can build your apps and stick them in iMessage. Stickers. They'll be able to do payment stuff. It's going to be square cash.

You'll be able to book tables, order food. There's a ton of stuff in here. I'm excited to see where this goes. Messages is like a platform now. It's becoming big. And I think this is great. I like messages and I'm looking forward to it. What do people use phones for?

This is one of the top things people use phones for, if not the top thing at this point. You know, apps like Line. There's going to be, I mean, I can predict it now because we just came out of the keynote. But there will be people who will do the, like the emoji judges, they will do a tut-tut saying, oh, this is a frivolous feature. It's frivolous in general to even do anything with messages. And it's frivolous, all of the features are frivolous in particular. And those people are missing the fact that this is, again, the most popular thing people do with their phones. It's the most popular services that are apps that people

download for their phones this is what phones are for for a lot of people is messaging not calling people anymore looking things up on the internet but my daughter spends most of her time messaging that's what she uses her phone for and apple's base messaging product was boring it was like it was a dumb messaging service yeah it didn't do anything it was just text messages yeah it was like it was a dumb messaging service yeah it didn't do anything it was just text messages yeah it was sms it remained sms for far too long yeah even even through the iMessage protocol it was still built on the back of it now it is we are way past that uh it reminds me of notes right so many of us scoffed at notes me included but now it's one of my favorite applications speaking of which oh yeah so collaborative notes apparently is a thing.

What is this going to look like? I think you're going to be asked to take action. You think so? I think it's going to be like I'll make an edit, then everything stops. You make an edit, everything stops. I don't know. It's an interesting idea to collaborate with other people inside your notes. If it would be live in a magical world where they can make it live,

we would be doing our show preparation in Apple Notes. Probably. Right? Because I use it to collect information for the shows and then transfer it into other applications. Irrespective of it, even if it is a take-action type scenario, I think it could be really great still. Like, you know, like Evernote collaboration was good. You know,

there were conflicts and stuff, but it was just the idea of two people can put things into a note. I think it's needed. I wanted to do a shout out for the conversation view in mail because that's one of the reasons that I have tried to use other apps

other than mail is that it doesn't do a conversation view where I can scroll through and see the entire conversation like I can in Gmail. And they finally are. That's a finally. Live photo editing, and Apple said about stabilization, which could be great.

That Google app is so incredible. The Google app is fantastic. I hope Apple are doing this with live photos. And that's what they're doing, yeah. I hope so. They said they're going to do image stabilization and then also editing of live photos I actually heard from somebody you know sort of through the grapevine that Apple

people were frustrated because they know they were working on this feature and then Google kind of preempted them and then split view Safari on the iPad. Yeah, it's kind of the only iPad announcement that we got. We'll get to this in a minute. We have an else upgrade question about it.

But that's in there. That's a wanted feature. I use two web browsers sometimes. I mean, I use Chrome anyway, so I'll pull up Safari to do some stuff. And then the last big announcement, Swift Playgrounds on the iPad. Yeah.

Yeah, this is big. There's a lot of people talking about this, that it was unlikely to get Xcode on the iPad. Yeah. This is big. There's a lot of people talking about this, that it was unlikely to get Xcode on the iPad. Step one. But the first step is to get something on the iPad that is code-related and app-building related, and Swift Playgrounds was what a lot of people thought might be the answer, and here it is.

I, like many people, said, this is Logo. A little bit. It reminded me, because I used to do, I remember doing the logo stuff as a kid i am gonna give this a go i'm gonna give it a go it looks like it's you know it's built for people who don't know how to code mainly children but i have a children's level of code knowledge yeah none so i was excited about i'm gonna give it a go it looks like fun it looks like it's built really well. It looked beautiful.

Yeah. You know, you can drag and drop code around. You know, the ATP guys will do a better job of explaining this. Yes. Then we will. But I think that it's great.

It's going into public beta next month. Right. It's going to be in, I think they're going to put it in the public beta of iOS 10 and then they'll make it available as a downloadable free downloadable app. I thought that was so funny when he was like, and we're going to make it free free like who was expecting to pay for this yeah that was weird that was that was a little bit they just wanted to make the point of like we're doing this out of the goodness of our hearts uh to uh make because people should

learn to code and i thought that was a little strange because it's also like you're seeding your programming language yep to a new generation of people i think this is great this is step one this is the beginning of the maturity of the ipad as a platform uh speaking of which should we do some ask upgrade let's do it this is our uh this is our spur of the moment post keynote ask upgrade lasers thank you steven hackett demanded and ryan he shoots his lasers like a six gun. Like, hey, partner, watch out for my lasers. And then Ryan asked, there was nothing about the iPad here. There were no iPad-specific features shown in this keynote. We haven't seen what the beta looks like yet.

There might be some stuff that we were looking for. Like, the multitasking view might have changed. Things that were in our wish list might actually be in there. for like this the multitasking view might have changed like things that might actually be in there because there might be little bits and bobs that we haven't seen yet but yes there was nothing I've had specific shown on stage I've seen other than other than playgrounds and the split you and Safari that was that was that playgrounds is an app right like you know there was like the what we saw last year was the fundamentals of iPad changing. Somebody mentioned to me on Twitter about this.

And I wonder what you think. Is this like a tech talk? Cause last year was all iPad. All the good features were on the iPad, not the iPhone this year. All the big features seem to be iPhone first. I sure hope not. I think it's still possible that there are going to be iPad features that roll

in later. I think we're going to see 10, one, 10, two, three. And I think, I think maybe that's the way to do it is as much as i want them now because i'm an ipad user maybe that's the way to do it is you you it's not quite tick tock because it's not like 10 is iphone and 11 is ipad it's more like 10-0 is iphone because we need to get that out right if you're apple we need to get this out It needs to ship with the new phones that are going to ship in the fall. In a few months' time.

And we'll get it out. And there aren't new, perhaps not, maybe there are, but probably there aren't new iPads shipping in September, right? So you do that. Along with the watch and the phone, right? And you defer your... And your Macs probably as well. Right.

So you defer all your iPad features and have them be in 10.1. I've got to say, as someone who uses the iPad pretty much full time, right, for the majority of my work, I am miffed but not upset. Because all of the things that I wanted for the iPad were things that would be great to have. There was nothing that I needed because something is stopping me right now. You know? No, I think, and it was such a packed keynote that maybe they just didn't have time for it.

But the one thing that I sort of wished I had seen was them, if they do indeed have big plans for iPad things, but it's not going to be in 10.0 but it's not going to be a wait until 11 scenario i kind of almost wanted them to say that that would have been nice if they had said yeah i agree and and these are you know not only do we have a bunch of great ipad features in in ios 10.0 but there's a whole bunch of other features that are going to be coming later this year out the ipad at the start as being so important it's one of their but then did nothing

right throughout that focused on it it's like everything was like oh and this is on the ipad as well yeah right yeah so so that's i think that's the question i'm not disappointed uh or maybe i'm a little disappointed now but i'm not too worried about it my concern is yeah i want i want there to be another shoe to drop here and if if they're truly just sort of like yeah we did our thing for the ipad now we're forget it nothing new until 11 then i will be upset i'll be sad uh another ryan asked how do you imagine the auto unlock feature to work on Macs with multiple user accounts I imagine that it's going to be locked to the Apple ID of

an account and it will unlock for that account and do you reckon that part of this is Touch ID as well for the Macs I don't know I mean they didn't show it but then they showed Touch ID working for Apple Pay which means that on the iPhone so first off it makes me wonder if you'll be able to unlock it from an

iphone if you don't have an apple watch because why would you be able to do apple pay but not to unlock um seems a little bit strange and then second is that yeah could you do touch id um yeah david asked what is the apple file system so here's the story ding um i imagine speaking of things atp will talk about there is a session at wwdc not included in the keynote at all but there's a session of wwdc that is basically announcing the new apple file system and uh it's going to be available as an option uh for external non-boot devices in uh in sierra and then rolling out in 2017 as a real thing so apple the new Apple file system is real and it's going to happen. And John Syracuse is going to lose his mind and we need more details, but it's not something that's going to impact anybody for a year, which is, you know, what is the right thing to do? Let people have

it for a year and work out all the issues because the last thing you want to do is have a brand new file system on your computer when they discover a horrible thing that destroys everything all your data ryan asked if there was any word on changing default browser on mail apps nothing about that specifically but on that note there will be the ability in ios 10 to remove apple stock applications from your device and then re-download them from the store right so you will be able to remove Apple stock applications from your device and then re-download them from the store. Right. So you will be able to remove the mail app.

You'll be able to remove the tips app. You won't have to hide them in a junk folder anymore. And then the next step, and I saw something in the chat room about this from Stephen Hackett, that you can remove the mail app and then the mail-to links don't work anymore. So there is a question of what happens if you remove the mail app and then the mail-to links don't work anymore. So there is a question of what happens

if you remove a stock app. First off, does it really go away? And second, can the system handle that? And I'm sure that these are all issues that will be worked out by the time it ships. Considering the system maker is letting you do this, the system should be able to handle it, right? Like, oh, you can remove it, but then mail links don't work anymore. system maker is letting you do this the system should be able to handle it right like if the if

oh if oh you can remove it but then mail links don't work anymore well then what was the point in removing it right like all you're doing is cutting your nose off to spite your face like there's no benefit to you there rather than just keeping it in a folder if when you start removing things it breaks things so i'd be interested to see what the implementation ends up being on that. Rajiv is disappointed that no dark mode was announced for iOS. So am I. It was announced for tvOS. I want it on my iOS too, please. That made me sad. I thought we were pretty much in a sure thing for that. But no, nothing. And Edgar asked Jason, finally today, what do we have for lunch? Oh, this was a great question. So I went to Specialties, which is a sandwich chain here in the Bay Area. And they make a sandwich called the Peanut Butter and Stuff.

And it's got peanut butter, banana, and cranberry sauce. Oh, man. So it's basically a peanut butter and jelly and banana sandwich and then i had their oatmeal wheat germ chocolate chip cookie but you got me one too i did my lunch sucked we watched uh the keynote at twitter's office which i've done before which is fantastic they put on a nice spread of breakfast food but we went to a place next door called Market, and I grabbed a turkey sub, and it basically was just all bread. It wasn't very tasty. It was subpar.

It was subpar. And I'm probably going to have to get another lunch, and because of that joke, we have to end the episode. So that was WWDC. That was it. It's over. Go home. Today, we're going to be a part of RelayCon WWDC. If you want to check that out go subscribe to the connected feed at relay.fm connected we have a big show planned um so i'm

really looking forward to that and we'll be talking more about all this stuff with a great bunch of guests jason you'll be involved yes our engineer mr stephen hackett will be involved we've got a we got a whole big night planned in front of a live studio audience so make sure you go and check that out and that'll be in the connected feed that will be involved. We've got a whole big night planned in front of a live studio audience. So make sure you go and check that out. And that'll be in the Connected feed. That will be in the Connected feed. So go to relay.fm slash connected and you'll be able to subscribe

and you will get our RelayCon WWDC episode. If you want to find our show notes for this episode of Upgrade, head on over to relay.fm slash upgrade slash 93. I hope that you all enjoy the many pieces of information that will come out over the next few days. I am wondering, you know, this is normal for us, how much information we could know

if we were reading Twitter right now. I know. Right? Immediately after the keynote, all this stuff just starts to leak out. But this is what we do for you. Exactly. Our first goal is to record a podcast afterwards,

so that's what we do. As you say, upgrade first out. Yep. If you want to find Jason's work, go to sixcars.com. He is at jsnell on Twitter, J-S-N-E-L-L. If you would like to follow the first winner of the upgrade WWDC draft, you can go to at imyke, I-M-Y-K-E on Twitter because that's where I am because I won, Jason. I am

the champion for one whole year. I get first pick next time. Well, I still don't think my first pick, considering it was 7-4, it threw everything off. I was unbalanced from then on. You got the first pick in every round, so you

were ahead of me the whole time. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. For someone who likes drafts, that seems like a really... Anyway, thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much to FreshBooks and MailRoute for their support.

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