Upgrade - 94: Users Use Computers

Episode Date: June 20, 2016

Jason and Myke are back in their usual offices this week, and they discuss their feelings about watchOS 3, the lack of Apple hardware announcements, and what the buzz was during WWDC week.

from relay fm this is upgrade episode number 94 today's show is brought to you by pdf pen from smile pingdom and ministry of supply my name is mike hurley and i am joined now with an ocean separating us by jason snell oh it's so sad when you put it that way. We were just across the table from one another last week, and now here we are back in our places. I'm back in my garage office, and you are back in your office in London. Yeah, I spent time in the garage office as well, didn't I? You did.

Did you leave something? Is there something taped under my chair? Don't look. Is there a mouse under there? Don't look. Okay. That mouse under there? Don't look. Okay. That's a present from me. All right.

Wow, what a week, huh? So it's been a week since the keynote. Big week. Where me and you were running around San Francisco finding an Airbnb to record in. Mm-hmm. Yeah, then since then, I guess we should maybe catch up, right,

about some of the stuff that's happened in between last week's episode of Upgrade and this week. Because as we say on the show, we like to be first. Yes. That episode was recorded as soon as we could. I've had, throughout the week, I've had many people questioning our scoring methods for the draft. But it doesn't matter how it's scored, I always win. Exactly.

You made the point that i was going to make which is we can discuss scoring and perhaps if we do this again uh we should determine what the scoring system is in case there's a controversy we will learn from our previous draft right but it was not a problem this time it wasn't close so you know you know so there we go uh one thing that we both participated in was the very first relay con wwdc that was a fun evening so if you want to go and hear that um we had some surprises in store which they're not really secret anymore um so there was we we'd set out a few panels we had myself, Federico and Steven to connect it at the beginning. Um, then we did a live robot or not, which was an incredible amount of fun to be sitting in between the two of you throwing in my thoughts, which nobody wanted.

That led to a great moment though, where you're like, this is the point where I get to, I get to interject into this conversation with questions and skepticism. That was really funny. Yeah, I like that. I got to do what everybody wants to do, which is to shout at John for being crazy. I got to do it. So you can go to that. And then Serenity joined us, and we had more chats about iOS and watchOS.

And then kind of my big surprise, my one more thing, is I convinced our good friend, Mr. CGP Grey, to come to San Francisco to participate in RelayCon. That was so much fun for me to do that. And he did. And in person, he does not look like a robot. No, he doesn't. Well, he was wearing his person skin that day.

Ah, I see, I see. So it's all just a facade. So it's like four podcast episodes in about 70 minutes that episode. It's packed. It is action-packed, and I enjoyed

it a lot, and I think everybody else did. We've had great response from the episode so far so this is just the first um we will be doing relay con wwdc next year and we're hoping to have a much larger audience as well so uh yeah that's something to look out for wow finding it finding a venue is always tricky for for that because it's very expensive and it's hard to find a place to have it. And this was a small one. And you guys took the risk when you were putting it together because you had to put down a deposit, right?

Before we even knew for sure that that was the week, you had to put down a deposit. And there was a question of, like, are people going to show up? Will people want to come? And it turns out, of course, that it sold out almost immediately. And there were a lot of people who were wanting to come and couldn't and that's great so hopefully that will inform next year yep it will be more big san francisco deposits made in a year's time oh boy they are big deposits let me tell you they are they are that's how we that's how we do it here thanks to our sponsors as well. Yeah, yeah, seriously.

Me and Steven also participated in the new tradition of WWDC keynote clockwise. So we've done this like three or four years in a row now, I think. Me and Steven have been your guests during WWDC week. Yeah, I mean, it's fun when a relay podcast that has two guest slots to fill can have the founders of the network on. And when we're all together at an event, it's kind of a fun thing to do. And you guys know how the format works and all of that. So that's useful. We're good at watching the clock, me and Steven. We're very good at that. We were doing a lot of watching the clock last week, sometimes on Clockwise and sometimes not.

The clock is always watched. Yeah, sure, exactly. And this extends your lead in the relay era of Clockwise as the most frequent guest. I'm never going to give it up. But you're not quite at the level of the all-time lead. So you've still got some work to do there. Okay. Well, I'll take that. I'll take that half of a...

But 11 appearances for you. So good job. It's basically because whenever you do a live Clockwise, I tend to be in attendance. I just tend to be there all the time. So you're just like, right, you, come with me. Clockwise time. It's like you and Rene Ritchie are my go-to clockwise uh road people uh we also attended the talk show um the live episode of the

talk show we actually sat next to each other which was nice um and we were laughing and uh making little uh snarky comments throughout the episode uh which i think many people want to do and that was a lot of fun uh we learned some interesting things i think we really did yeah and we're gonna get into probably i think the most interesting a little later on and it's good that now the video was posted and uh i more did a transcript of the of the conversation so there are ways for people who weren't there to dig in and see what was you know what these little tidbits were, where especially like Craig Federici, you know, not being, being a technical guy and not a marketing guy, he said some stuff

that probably, you know, Apple's marketing group as represented by Phil Schiller sitting right next to him might've, might've said, why give that level of detail? But speaking to a developer audience, I think he felt like comfortable going into a little more detail. And it was really great, great stuff. Great little tidbits. This actually further enforces my belief that Federici is not trusted to be on his own in these things. Maybe not. Maybe not.

I mean, that may be the reason it's like well we could we have craig this year and and and apple's response perhaps to gruber was you can have craig and phil because if you think about it every time federighi has been on the talk show somebody else is with him right so q is with him i think when they did the swift thing they had somebody else there as well um i think that they don't trust federici because uh he seems like a bit of a wild card that guy well i think also um and we'll talk about the content later but just in terms of the presentation uh i think federici is interesting because we see him our relationship with him as people who observe this from the outside is that craig

federici is the guy on stage and he started out nervous and now he's actually pretty good and his presentations are funny. And you can see his personality come through. At the talk show, what I noticed was, you know, he's a giant computer nerd. He is, right? And I feel like actually, I think I might even mention this to you.

I kind of think that Apple does him a disservice and does itself a disservice when they only put Federighi out there in these controlled situations. And I get exactly what you're saying, which is that Craig Federighi is a little bit of a loose cannon, maybe, and they want to watch him because he might say stuff that they don't want him to talk about. say stuff that they don't want him to talk about, but he brought a level of technical credibility just in some of the detail that he threw out on stage to that developer audience that I think is actually pretty good because it shows you another side of him, that he's not just this pitch man with big hair. He's the guy who runs the software development effort at Apple and that he knows his stuff and that he can speak about technical decisions Apple makes. And that goes against something that Steve Jobs really believed in,

which is the idea that Apple is almost a black box. And, you know, you don't reveal to the public, you don't tell them the secrets of your magic tricks. But I think there's some value in having somebody, especially who's as good at this as Craig Federighi, open up a little bit more about like the, it's not even a huge detail, but it's like the fact that Apple, of course, Apple sweats the details. Of course, Apple works really hard and thinks about its options before it makes decisions. And we can agree or disagree with the end result of those decisions. But I like that, that, that he dove in and said some things that were like extra technical. I think that actually is to the benefit of in and said some things that were like extra technical i

think that actually is to the benefit of him and apple so i'd like to i'd like them to put him in more positions like that uh but i also get why they have a minder for him which is that it is not what they're used to he wants to get into detail that apples tends to be not comfortable to share he wants to know that's how it ends up being this way. Yeah, exactly. He wants to nerd out, and they just won't let him do that, right? And there was also a moment, I can't remember exactly what it was he said,

but he was kind of beating up the macOS name a little bit, which was very funny, which we all appreciated. And he was talking about rehearsals of the keynote and stuff. Things that Apple like to kind of keep a and stuff you know like things that apple like to kind of keep a bit more christmas magic well yeah yeah it's the same thing right it's like no no no it's just the keynote just happens like that it's totally natural we don't spend hours and hours and hours rehearsing it and getting it exactly right that's the magic trick part of it and and he you know but again i i see this as being apple apple't often speak openly to a technical audience like developers at WWDC.

They generally, they're so big now that they speak to this broad audience and they think about their PR and their marketing in terms of this broad lens of everybody. And that's the other thing I liked about this in general and Federighi in particular is and what I liked about Phil Schiller with Gruber last year is he was able to acknowledge the elephant in the room no literally he got to acknowledge the fact that Marco wrote a blog post on stage last year about Apple's

software quality they get to because that's the thing is it seems like they don't care or notice stuff that happens in our little nerdier group because they're so focused on the big picture, which from a discipline standpoint in terms of PR is the right thing to do. Apple's a huge company. The people in our sphere are a very tiny, very focused, but very tiny part of the of the much larger world around us. But in a venue like this, you get to see that. You get to see like, oh, they're paying attention. They just don't want to have that be the message,

the PR message. They want to stay more disciplined and speak to their target for this. But a little of that comes through in these talk show things, which is why I'm so glad they're doing them and that you have Apple executives on stage at essentially a talk show

for developers that's great yeah i like it a lot um i also took my first trip to one infinite loop never been there before ah did you power slide you know what we almost like the rental car looking for a parking space ah oh yeah it's it It's actually, parking's really bad there these days. They are full. And they have like a valet parking service now for, although there's some guest parking. There's usually, you can get some guest parking. Yeah, they had a kind of a guest car park,

but it was full. We were in there for a while circling. It is WWDC week, right? So probably they have a lot of visitors that week. But often it's not. That's where I went. I bought you that pen, and then you ended up going to One Infinite Loop. I didn't even need to buy you that pen.

It's like four colors, so it helped me. All right. One thing that really shocked me was that people can just drive in. Oh, yeah. That's so interesting to me. This is the most secretive company in the world, but you could just drive in. I expected more security on the door or something.

Well, infinite loop, and I think this goes back to just when it was constructed, that's a public street. Oh, okay. I didn't notice that because it definitely looked like i was just driving into a company i mean apple has a the infinite loop that goes around the the central complex there i mean there are parking lots on the outside and buildings on the inside but um i think it's

probably a public street it's got the public street signs and all of that and that probably goes just back to when they decided to build it and the decisions they made the land use decisions the other funny thing is that in that that lot, there's a restaurant and an office building that are on that block that just sort to Infinite Loop, there's like a foundation headquarters on the corner. And there's a BJ's Pizza Place that's in that block, too, which Apple employees will go to and have a beer. And why are they there? Why is that not just all Apple for that entire square? And, you know, it just isn't. That's just quirks of when they got the land to build that complex. So I would imagine that the new Apple campus has, well, in fact, I think we know this now that they have the way the access works there is that there's like an entry point. where they are going to have their store museum thing and parking and visitor access.

And all other access is employee access and is different. But yeah, you can just drive around Infinite Loop, park wherever, walk right into the store, which also has always been there, basically, for a long time. Also kind of un-Apple- know in a way that they that apple's like yeah we have a retail store that predates our other retail stores where you can buy like merch and here it is on our campus it's really funny but uh it's it's been a thing and it's still a thing so yeah so did so it was good it was a good trip yeah i mean the biggest part of that trip was we went and had a great day at Facebook too. But going out to see One Infinite Loop,

we just went to the company store, we bought the obligatory merchandise, took some pictures, and then went on our way. I mean, that's the only place you can get Apple-branded t-shirts and pens and things that are not. It's an Apple store now, which it... Well, I guess it always sold products, and if you're an employee, you can go there and use your discount.

And that, they ask you if you're an employee. In fact, did they do that with you? No. No? Oh, okay. I get that. I get that from them where they're like, you have the employee discount. And I'm like, no, I'm just a regular person.

And they're like, full price. There's probably so many people there that week that they just assume that everybody uses it. So they used to have, you know, some hardware available, but like now it looks like an Apple store. They rebuilt it and now it looks like an Apple store. But in the corners, you'll find the oddities. You'll find the things that are essentially one offs, which I'm a little I mean, it makes it special. At the same time, I feel like, you know, could Apple not have t-shirts in every Apple store?

But they don't. It's at the company store. That's it. The One Infinite Loop store. I want to talk a little bit about some of the other stuff that's happened in the past week, you know, from talking to developers and spending time in San Francisco. Before we do, let's take our first break and thank Smile for sponsoring this week's episode. I want to tell you today about PDF Pen. It's time for you to stop the never-ending cycle

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All right, then Mr. Snell. So over the week, you know, talking to developers and stuff, you kind of start to get a feel for what people are excited about and what they're not. And one of the things that I think I was seeing a lot of excitement about from a user perspective and also a developer perspective was sticker packs in messages. Yep. I guess stickers are a thing. I mean, you know, I was excited about them as a user, right? Because I like them.

I want to be able to send silly things to people. But what was interesting as the week went on is we found out that it's incredibly easy to add stickers into messages with your current application. It's super simple to make one, like make a brand new app. Or it's super simple to add stickers to your existing app. And basically what it seemed like is all you need to do is put images in a folder in your Xcode file and you're done. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's interesting because part of the interest here is that people who don't

develop software can now have a product on the App Store, which is selling the artwork essentially for stickers and messages. And this is going to be my repeated refrain. I think we talked about it last week a little bit, but people are going to roll their eyes at all the silly things that are in messages because, I don't know, phones are serious, computers are serious,

and we should take them more seriously. But the fact is, stickers are one of the wildly popular things in messaging services where apps like Line have made huge businesses at selling sticker packs as well as giving away free stuff.

Um, and, uh, and so it's great that Apple is, is doing this and it's great because like, for example, a podcast network like relay that has made stickers over the, over the years,

over the two years that relay has been around, um, you know, you can, and I know somebody did, somebody actually, somebody at RelayCon, the event on Monday night, took pictures of the stickers that we handed out there

and made a sticker pack with the pictures of the stickers. Just amazing. Yeah, I'll find that. I'll put it in the show notes. I believe it was a guy called Kim, and he made an incredible, like, incredibly quickly, he put it together and presented an iMessage sticker pack of the stickers that we gave out.

This is showing how, if you know what you're doing, and even if you don't, really, it's super easy to get these things done, and it makes me excited. We're looking at how we could do more of that and put them into the relay app so they can be used in messages and and i loved an article that you wrote actually um on mac world because it it kind of put into perspective and expanded on something that i've been thinking about which is that

sticker packs are a way that apple is demonstrating that they are moving with market forces right you you saw me get the idea for this story did i yes at at the talk show i opened up reminders and put in a note that said how messages is like notes. I remember that. I remember that. And that's this article. Because the whole premise of the article is that, okay, we can all say why messages?

Why so much effort into messages? And one of the reasons is look back to notes last year. Notes, Apple said, some huge percentage of iphone users use notes and um they basically had and they didn't say this on stage but it was very clear they had a realization like wow people are going to use this we better make it good and um they said on stage this year messages is the most frequently used ios app like period stop, as you would say. And well, geez, I guess we should put more effort into it if it's the number one app, right? And look, in a huge growing category where these other apps have great success with a lot of these fun features that aren't in messages. And so that's the way they went.

That's where they decided to go. And you can see they're following market trends. They're listening to how the users are using their products. And if the users use, you know, no tech, it's like no battle plan survives an encounter with the enemy. No technology survives an encounter unscathed with the users. The users do. We've known this for decades. Users use computers and software for all sorts of things that are not

why it was made right and rather than going no no that's not supported don't do that what apple's doing here is going like oh i guess people really do want a good camera and the ipad who knew or oh i guess selfies are a thing maybe we should make that camera better and upgrading notes fits in there and and this year upgrading messages fits right in there like if you look at the app store right now it's kind of dominated by apps that are pretending to be emoji which are really just custom keyboards that are basically stickers you copy and paste an image into messages there is right you know and i assume apple probably would like those to be better supported better implemented and out of the top

charts of the app store right so they're creating a place now in this is honestly why i believe they created an iMessage store as well it's so the stuff like this doesn't like fill up the app store because it's like celebrity emoji and celebrity stickers they're always going to go straight to the top you know justin bieber releases his pseudo emoji pack and it's like straight up at number one i think maybe like that to be away from there and kind of because right now it's highlighting some weird implementation stuff that apple has right like that the custom keyboards can't really they can't paste images and stuff like that so it looks a bit weird so i think they're just trying to like hey guys come over here like it's real nice over here. It's in the messages app.

You can put your stickers there. But I wanted to read a little quote from your article, which I thought was quite poignant. You said, technology has been repurposed by users for purposes far beyond those intended by its creators from the very beginning.

In the early days of the web, I built pages inside of an email client. Today, I edit podcasts using a tool designed for music production. And I just thought, so true. It's like people find the things they want to do and they bend the rules and they twist them and push them

and take it to their extremes. And then the best thing for a company that makes this stuff to do is to listen to those people, look at what they're doing and give them something that allows them to create this stuff easier so they can continue to push and bend and break in other ways yeah yeah exactly right that that i

mean it's not always the case there are always examples where it's like well i don't want to break what this app is for in order to use it in this other way i understand that but i think there's just so much in most cases there's so much you can you can learn as the maker of any product about oh they're using it that way that's interesting what does that tell me about my product can i do things to make that better um and software is so flexible compared to like a you know a tool you get at the hardware store or something like that where you'll be like oh i didn't know you could use a hammer for that uh but it's still a hammer it's just it's gonna stay a hammer uh with software you can you can uh think uh differently about that and

change what the product is or make a different version of the product that does something a little bit different. I see Apple doing that right now. Yep, 100%. One of the other things that I got from talking to people over the week, it felt like overall

it's been a pretty good year for enhancements for developers without anything that has completely undermined them you know there wasn't a feeling of like oh no apple's giving me six months of really hard work you know like when they did like ios 7 and stuff like that um which i thought we were going to see something like that with a with a dark mode but that that hasn't happened you know what's quite funny in a turn of events, every piece of dark UI in iOS has turned white, which I find kind of hilarious.

When I was expecting a dark mode and they just turned it into lighter mode. You could argue that maybe that was a sign that they were thinking about doing a darker mode, so they lightened everything in the standard interface so that they could flip it. Honestly, that is my hope. Like we get it now and then later we get a dark mode i don't think it will happen now until next year with this we have a potential oled phone

or yeah that's that well that would be the reason to do it right or or i mean you could see it in a 10.1 or a 10.2 because i think we're all figuring that they're that they're going to probably uh do an update uh at least we're all hoping with uh some more especially ipaddy features uh mid midstream but yeah yeah oh i have one more thing um i had uh dinner with uh it was chinese food you right after relay con and you guys missed it they closed they locked the doors and turned off the lights after we went in there yeah nice work this is which is too bad we didn't realize that they closed at nine and we walked into the.59 and they served us, but they closed and locked the doors. Anyway, one of the people at that table was Craig Hockenberry. And back to your point about developers feeling like this was good and they weren't going to ruin their summer. I mean, that's what Craig told me, Craig from the Icon Factor. He was like, I don't feel like my summer was ruined. I he said he said it that way and that is some years developers look at this and like oh man we got to do so much and and uh to adopt all these things by the time

the os ships and this time it's more like a whole bunch of little things here through scattered throughout i'm surprised that nobody has made this or or or i haven't seen a groundswell of support for the idea that this is what we asked for in terms of OS updates, which is a whole bunch of little things pushing the platform forward and not some giant new thing that breaks a lot, a lot of stuff. I think we need to see how the rest of the year goes, you know,

because I know that's what we were asking for and what we believe that nine three was going to give us. I think after maybe we see what 10, one, 10, two, 10, three, 10,4 could be,

then I think we can make that claim. It does feel like this is the start of that, right? Because it's like super focused on one app. I mean, I know they said there were 10 features in iOS. Really, it was messages, right? Like that was a real big one. And the interface changes with the notifications. And I mean, those are the big things that happened in this.

But it's good for developers. Developers like the fact that Apple isn't shipping something in a developer beta that is going to require them to completely re-implement and overhaul their apps in order to get something out on ship day. It's not that kind of an update. And if you're a developer, you know, Apple can eat your summertime. Oh, yes. So I think there was a lot of relief from developers that this was cool stuff that they liked and that they wanted to play with, but that they didn't feel it was one of these things where if they weren't there with a new app on day one, they were going to be out of luck.

One thing that's annoyed me is thinking about the Siri API and realizing that there's no audio intent. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure Marco thinks that way too. Yeah, I bet. This is such an obvious one to do. I can't work out why it's not here. So basically, in case you're not familiar,

the intents of the things that you can do with, what are they calling, SiriKit, which I don't think they mentioned that name on stage. I think they called it the Siri API or did they call it SiriKit? I don't think they called it SiriKit in the keynote. No, I don't remember that either, but that is what it's called. And there are things that you're able to do like VoIP calling, photo search, payments, messaging, ride booking, workouts, and climate and radio, which is specifically designed for CarPlay.

Also, something I didn't hear them mention, I just saw that on the documentation page. So these intents, they remind me of the multitasking that came with iOS 4. It's like, here are a bunch of things that we can do. You can't do everything. You have to be one of these types of applications. And I think that audio is such an obvious one, like Siri, play Connected on Overcast, or Siri, play Taylor Swift on Spotify.

It feels like an obvious one for audio, but they haven't done it, which leads me to ask questions of why, which takes me down rabbit holes of like questioning Apple. As in like, did you do this because you don't want people to say play Taylor Swift on Spotify? Like, why didn't you do this? I don't think so. My guess is that they made a list of different categories that they wanted to support with the Siri API.

And that the audio one just was below the list because they can't do them all. Yeah, I mean, that's what I would assume. They can't do everything. But they may also, there may be some sort of internal bias of like, well, we've got Apple Music and Podcasts app and that's all anybody ever needs, so let's not worry about it.

But unfortunately, that's not true you you have people using spotify and people using overcast and wouldn't it be great if i i could say ahoy telephone play the latest episode of the flop house and overcast and i can't yeah and i and i honestly think this is a big miss and i hope that the next version of siri kit gets this because this feels like the one that would really be useful to me for what I use my phone for, in all honesty. I would like to be able to shout out. I'm a little disappointed with how Siri has handled audio. I mean, you can get it to play things if you are lucky using the existing stuff,

but I would say it's not actually a lot better than voice control which is the old uh before there was siri there was voice control where with no internet connection you could do basic voice commands largely to uh just control your audio and i feel like it hasn't really evolved a whole lot past that and i want it to be more flexible and understand my playlist better or make guesses about what I want and ask me if this is what I want and I still don't feel like it's great. So I wonder if Apple feels like, I don't know,

like it's good enough now and they're not going to worry about it, but it's ripe for this, I agree. Voice Control, by the way, made a cameo on stage during the keynote and people have forgotten what it was. And they're like, oh, is that a new feature? When I think Craig held the button down too long and it was on a phone where Siri was disabled. And so, because it was a beta and a demo and voice control came up for a minute and the guy behind me was like, voice control? And I'm thinking, yeah, that's because it's... Anyway, that's not a new feature. It's a very old feature.

It's still there. Good spot. I didn't notice that. Yeah. I really do have to look at ride booking. And I'm like, ride booking? Ride booking made the list? Like, does anyone want to book a ride

without seeing the UI of where I think you're being picked up from and where you're going? Yeah. I look at that one and I'm like, that made it in over audio? I just don't get it. I can come up with some theories about it, about what their priorities are. But what's the use case of that?

That you're somewhere where you can talk to your phone and you want to ride? Maybe it's related to map-related stuff. I don't know. Maybe it does come down to ride, I'm not, you know, maybe it's related to map related stuff. I don't know. Maybe it does come down to that, Mike, which is that Apple doesn't do ride booking and Apple does do music. And so they feel like the need is less because we have these great Apple music and podcast app solutions for you. But that's the first thing I thought of, obviously, as a, not just as a podcast maker, but as a podcast and music listener, that having the ability to, I was thinking specifically of Overcast, being able to control that when I'm in the car and tell the lady to play a different podcast or whatever. And ultimately tell my Apple Watch to do that, too.

That would be great. But it's not yet. Not yet. Apple Watch to do that too. That would be great. But it's not yet. Not yet. They've said it's very clear this is going to be like multitasking where they start with a very narrow range and then they expand from there because they're building out these intents where the developer doesn't have to parse any of the language.

That's all good. That's all good. It's just that these are the ones they chose to start with. And I think it's fair to say, huh, to a few of the decisions about which ones to support. to say, huh, to a few of the decisions about which ones to support. Something we didn't see any of at WWDC, I think to surprise from some, was hardware. No hardware announced at all. I was expecting at least something, irrespective of what was being said. Yeah, I think in the end, I mean, we've said it before, hardware is not mandatory at WWDC.

It's not like they don't do it, but they don't have to do it because it really is about the software. And they made the point. We've got four platforms at this point. It was so packed that they moved the developer announcements out. There was a bunch of other stuff that kind of was below the radar because it's just not, you know it wasn't it didn't fit it was a packed two hours and apple is firm at two hours like they don't want to go over two hours and so i'm sure at some point let's based on the rumors i think there's some hardware that's basically ready um that they could have announced and that they would have announced if they didn't have a lot of other things to say. But they did. They filled the keynote. So just save it and announce it. Who knows? Maybe they'll announce it this week or next week. It might be soon. If they've got

hardware that is in production that might be ready to go and ship in July or something like that, they could do that later and then make another little splash um but i think bottom line it felt to me like that keynote was completely packed and federici said said as much at the talk show and i believe them that that it's just like if you've got so much os stuff to tell developers at wwdc um just save save your hardware for another time so i would like you to look into your crystal brain ball and yes predict you touch you touch the brain ball again you came in uh i need every year i need to to hold it to drain my power you know like i need it for the rest of the year i well

i also i also stole your power because we did a bono uh tim cook finger touch we did i made i made you do that and everybody around went no don't do it. And you did it. And it's like, now I stole your soul. All right. I got the brain ball here. All right. So I want to get from you.

I have four, four items here and I want you to tell me when you think they're going to be out. Watch two. Uh, announced September arriving, uh, October. And you think that will be announced with the next iPhone,

I assume? Yeah. When will we see the new MacBook Pro with the OLED sensor bar touch display thing? July. New Mac Pro? This one's a little bit more difficult. Summer.

How do we keep score on these? Someone will. Somebody out there, keep score on these someone will somebody out there keep score uh cinema display same time as the mac pro so they'll come together in the summer so basically we're looking at new macbook pro in july the watch 2 in september and sometime in between new mac pro with the cinema display. Or at the same time as the MacBook Pro, but that might be later. Those are my guesses. I have no information here. If I had information, I would be cagey about it, but I have no information.

I'm going on seeing the rumor reports and making some guesses, but that would be my guess is that the rumor about the MacBook Pro especially is that it's coming. And if that's true, it's probably going to be announced soon. Like I said, i wouldn't be shocked if they announce it in the next few weeks and say it's shipping immediately or shipping in a few weeks after that the mac pro you know i don't know the vagaries of intel chip availability and when they're going to turn it around but there seems to be a lot of conversation about the mac pro and the cinema display that could ship that could that could slip it could be anywhere into like december uh before they do it but i hope it's sooner than that. So I'm going to wish cast a

little bit and say summer, whether it's at the same time as the MacBook Pro, or maybe it's just something that happens in August when there's not a lot going on and they drop a new Mac Pro, because that's not, Mac Pros aren't really tied to buying cycles in some ways as much. It's not a consumer product. At the same time, it's so old, the version that's out there now, that they've got to feel some pressure to turn it over with a new one. But if it's doing Thunderbolt 3, and if there's a display that's coming that is based on Thunderbolt 3, and they're going to roll out Thunderbolt 3

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That's the one I want to try the most, but I have to install iOS 10 to do it, so I don't know how I feel about that. I don't think I want to put it on my phone yet. That's the killer, is I don't want to put iOS 10 Beta 1 on my phone, and that's what's required for me to get. I to put iOS 10 beta one on my phone and that's what's required for me to get. I mean, I could install it on another device and have, and, uh, and pair it

there, but then the data is coming from that one. I leave the house without the other phone and then it doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Because I am excited about it. I ended up writing, actually, it's funny. I wrote, there's a, in fact, somebody, somebody took a panorama of the new Apple store at Union Square, and then and then said, Oh, I got Jason writing an article at the new Apple store at Union Square in my panorama. And he, he tweeted it to me. It's very funny. And he it was me. I was there. I, I had some time between I had, I was in in the morning I had a lunch but I had like a couple of hours and I worked and I wrote I wrote I think that Macworld column that that we referenced earlier I wrote at a Starbucks south of market and then I was done with that and I I still had time I still had like an hour and a half before my lunch and it's morning people who are out late the night before they're all asleep so i uh i went to the apple store i thought oh well i

haven't been to the new apple store i'll go to the new apple store so i did that and i was walking around and i saw the genius grove and had a chuckle at the isn't it beautiful though it is it is it's amazing it was a windy day so they didn't have the big doors open but just uh it's beautiful i actually met it's so funny like uh we were joking which gray was joking a bunch about like meet at apple right you know like angela aaron's saying that she believes people will meet at apple we met gray at apple me steven and we hung out there for a while and then we met a few other people there uh kyle's the gray and uh spencer came and we were all hanging out for a bit it was like oh we are meeting at apple because that store is just so perfect to hang out in and it's huge

and it overlooks the the center you know union square which is pretty um and yeah it's it's it's i was impressed it definitely is and it feels like an evolution of the Apple Store we know. But it was, and especially WWDC, because I ran into Manton Reese there. I ran into so many people because everybody, all the nerds were coming up, including me, to see it at some point during the week. the week so i'm very excited because the regent street store for many many months nearly a year now uh has had just the basement open so they closed the rest of the store and turned the basement into a small store uh last week they closed the regent street store completely for further renovations so they must be close now to reopening it with the new design and i can only imagine that this one is going to be stupendous if my facts are correct the regent street store is still the

apple store that earns the most by square foot huh um and it's always been i think one of the jewels in the crown that apple have it's so beautiful uh and i cannot wait to see it i've i've actually heard and seen things online that they're removing the apple logos from the front of the store interesting i wonder how they're going to play it because they haven't got a big sheet of metal to stamp the foil you know you get the mirrored one that they have on the union square one so i'm really excited to see it um and as soon as i see it reopening i'm gonna i'm gonna head down there and take a as soon as i see it reopening i'm gonna i'm gonna head down there and take a look because uh i think it's gonna be pretty incredible yeah

the union square store because it's got the the aluminum panels on the side with a shiny apple logo um it looks like the store looks like a big apple product which is funny um and it's just a whole big glass front and uh it good. Anyway, my point is, because we veered over into new Apple stores for a minute there, is that I wrote this piece about being excited about watchOS 3 at Apple, so to speak, at the Apple store.

I just sat down because I wandered around and I saw everything and then I thought, well, I've got a little time and I have this idea for a story that maybe I can, you know, I usually sit at my desk and write things, but I was roaming around San Francisco and I thought, okay, can I do this? So I sat down with my iPad at a table at the Apple store and I wrote this piece, which is, you know, the idea that Apple Watch is like a do-over for watch OS that this is this is the real opportunity for Apple to reinvent like we said last week and like I've been saying all along it's like can will Apple take the opportunity to basically say okay do over we got some things wrong uh we're

gonna we're gonna make it better we've rethought how we approach Apple Watch, essentially for the first time, because watchOS 2 was really an incremental update to the original software that was on the watch. And they did. They took that opportunity. And boy, I do wish I could install it today on my watch. I just don't want to install iOS 10 beta 1 on my iPhone. Yeah, I don't want to do that yet either. And I recommend that most people don't

unless they have a device that it's good for. I wouldn't put it on my main phone right now. I have an old Air 2, which I'm going to put 10 on too. And then maybe... I usually jump on around beta 3 or beta 4 or the public beta. So I haven't decided what we're going to go yet

the public beta is that july or august i think it's july july okay so look maybe after beta 2 right they've thought of the public beta out there um i think as you mentioned like this is a complete do-over and i think it's so clear that apple have shown not only that they are paying attention to how people use the device, but also they've had more time with it. You know, I'm sure that the original watchOS was maybe mostly developed without people having the watch, right? Like there wasn't a product for them to use. So they developed it in a way that they believed it would be good. And they got a lot of it right, but a lot of it wrong and honestly

watch os 3 fixes so many of those things right like the friends button and not having to use the honeycomb and the fact that glances and notifications and apps kind of felt like a mess when you put all three of them together you don't need them all and fixing all of that stuff it really shows a company that luckily and has gone against what I think we're all worried about, is not going to just double down on the things that they didn't get right and that they're able to move on from it. And it seems like that battery life was the thing that was originally holding them back. And Federighi basically said as much during the talk show. basically said as much during the talk show i think he i think he even said like we were afraid or or to the point of panic that we were we were going to not have uh enough battery on this thing and they and so they obviously made a priority the battery life like do whatever you do battery

comes first and as a result we got a we got a device that for most people i think doesn't use remotely all of the battery in a day i know know there are some exceptions to that. I've heard people who say that, but certainly the people that I know and in my personal experience, they totally did overshot. Federighi said that. He said that there was extra RAM, too. They were really worried about memory. And they took their best shot because they were afraid you never know how people are going to use a product again. And then they've looked over the last year and a half and realized, oh, we overshot. And that means here's the amazing thing about watchOS 3 and why a lot of times we were talking about this

when we were speculating about watchOS 3 and like, would they be able to do these things or on the existing hardware or would there need to be new hardware? And the assumption you make is that there's only so much you can do with the existing hardware

because they, you know, you can't upgrade the hardware. It is what it is and you can write software that's a little more efficient, but there's only so much you can get upgrade the hardware. It is what it is, and you can write software that's a little more efficient, but there's only so much you can get out of that. Watch OS 3 is like a hardware upgrade for existing Apple Watches, because they were writing in an envelope that was way inside the actual capabilities of the hardware, because they didn't know how people would use it,

and whether they would really be inside that envelope or not so they gave themselves a lot of leeway and with watch os 3 they're opening it up so essentially watch os 3 is like everybody who's got an apple watch suddenly got a bigger battery and more memory on their device yep uh federighi actually said we had ram to spare yeah right and it was like that was one of those on shows like oh don't say it like i'm pleased you did but maybe you shouldn't have uh and it basically feels like they as you say they were just you know like the 10 of the brain thing you know like you only use 10 of your brain that's how it felt like with the watch right they're only using 10 of the watch and now they have the ability to like really stretch out like i left san fran i

woke up in san francisco at like 8 a.m 7 a.m something like that and i arrived home in london at 10 p.m london time and my watch was still going that's not needed i'm really happy that it was like that but it doesn't need to last that long it It's effectively two days. Yeah. And the only time that less battery life would ever hurt me is in that exact instance. And even then, I'm like, I can live with that. I have a battery pack with me at all times. I can just charge my watch for five minutes like I do my phone. I'm totally cool in those scenarios. And I think Apple has looked at the user profiles of battery life and has said, look, if you're somebody who

has the small watch and you use the fitness features a lot, you may have a battery problem with watchOS 3, but you're an outlier, like way outside of the mainstream. And we've decided that from now on, like if you're in that user profile, you're going to have to top it up. You're not going to get through the day. But there are so many people who will benefit from this that we're going to make that decision. And they may never even say that, but I think that's going to be the case, is that there are going to be some people who are using especially the smaller watch and use the fitness features and are going to say, oh, now I can't get through a day. And those people will be sad and mad, but their watch will be better,

including fitness features, will be better. and mad, but their watch will be better and including fitness features will be better. And the trade-off may be that in that, you know, for that small percentage of people, they do need to, you know, top it up or make sure that they leave it on the charger a little bit longer before they leave in the morning or whatever. But, uh, it's, I think not seeing numbers, just looking at anecdotal evidence, there are exceptions like that. But most of the people I talk to about it say they've got battery to spare.

And Apple seems to say the same thing. So they're going to use it. And learning how we use them and trying to make data more instantly available, you know, learning about complications and glances and stuff like that. The whole idea of the first class apps is so smart and and and i think has to be informed by everybody using this for for uh you know a year and realizing i mean they started on this work a year ago they said but still they had at least uh three months of this product out in the field before they even set down this path and i think it i think it would

have been clear to them fairly quickly like oh, oh, plus, like you said, probably a lot of these decisions were made before they even had the hardware. And then they tweaked it as they go. I would imagine it was hard to reverse, completely reverse some decisions as they were moving towards ship. But now they have the opportunity to do that. And so now you look at it and you say, okay, apps and glances, that's confusing. There are too many apps being installed, especially if you have the auto install on. Things don't update on time. How

do we solve this? And the answer is we're going to create a tiered system of apps where if an app, if a user shows a preference for an app by putting it in the dock or by putting it on a watch face as a complication, then it's a first class app. It gets to remain in memory. It gets to run in the background and update its data. All these things that no apps basically got to do before. And then every other app that's just sitting there on your watch in the honeycomb, it's like, it's there if you want it and you're going to launch it

and you'll have to wait for it to launch but those eight apps or five apps or whatever number small number of apps that you actually use the ones that are on your on your watch face like my weather complication that i looked at the other day or look at yesterday and it was like 85 degrees and i looked at my watch and it said 71 and i tapped on the complication and it spun for like 40 seconds and it finally loaded the app and then i switched back to the complication and it said 71 and I tapped on the complication and it spun for like 40 seconds and it finally loaded the app. And then I switched back to the complication and it said 85 degrees. In watchOS 3, that being on the complication on my watch face is enough for the OS to say, oh, you app stay alive. And periodically I'm going to ask you to update your data because this is

important. And that's, that's going to be you to update your data because this is important and that's that's going to be huge that's a huge difference just doing that yeah i'm really excited to use this yeah i think anybody with an apple watch i think this is going to be a big win for for everybody um and and yes it will drive me to install an ios 10 beta on my main iphone way sooner than i should because i want to use this but um not yet beta one no yeah maybe i think maybe i'm gonna go public beta on my uh on my phone but but you know we'll see if i can hold out that long because i really want to use this is there a public beta of the watch? Because you might not be able to do it.

No, no, but I bet I could do the profile and install from the public beta tends to be the same build as a developer beta. And then if I use the developer build of the watch from the public beta, I assume that'll work or I'll just use the developer equivalent of the public beta if it comes to that. But let's see if I can hold out that long. Cause just talking about it now, I'm, I'm just so excited about it.

This is, this is a, a rare example of, I mean, it's just a, it's going to be a huge update for, for a product that as we've talked about before, I like it.

You like it. We use them every day. But this, this ticks all the right boxes, right? This is exactly what they needed to do. It looks like that sometimes you look at upgrades and lists of features and you go, huh, why? Why these features? And sometimes with things like messages, you're like, oh, well, I see why it's the most popular and there's all these other categories. Got it. Got it. With a watch OS update, you look at it as a, as a watch user and you're like, oh yeah, they, yeah, they got it have gone through and realized that what they need to do. And, you know, that seems obvious, except a lot of times that doesn't happen.

Right. A lot of times you're like, why did you do this? And like I heard somebody was talking quite rightly about messages and they said, OK, all these stickers are great. Are you going to fix all of the sync problems with messages? It's like that's a fair point, right? Like there are also complaints that should probably be addressed, not just new features. But with watchOS 3, it's just like they nailed it, at least in terms of what they announced.

We'll see how it works in practice. But in terms of what they announced, it's very clear that they understand exactly what was wrong with the watch. And that's great. Yep. I can't wait. I'm very excited about it. just to say i've got 82 battery life on my watch right now uh it's 4 p.m and i think i took my watch off the charging stand

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Luke says, what do you think Apple's timetable will be for adding new app categories to Siri? Maybe a slide during the September event? So this is more stuff to Siri get. When am I going to get my audio API? I think we're looking at next year personally i think i think so i think i think that's ios 11 which is a real shame but i can't see them putting anything more into this until then they want they want some time to see how it's used yeah outside shot at uh you know an ios 10.2 or something like that in the spring but i think it's more likely

that they're going to want to sit on the ones that they've implemented and see how they're used and learn from them and use that as the basis for deciding where they go from there. Yep, definitely. I completely agree with you. I think they would have it if it was ready. They're not going to do it now. Kian asked, any thoughts on the removals of widgets from Notification Center? This is one of the interesting things you find out as the week goes on. Currently, in beta 1 of iOS 10, the widgets that you have,

so your Today View widgets, as they used to be called. Now I think they're just called widgets. They will show on your lock screen when you swipe, is it right? How would you call it? When you want to get to the left panel. You want to get to the left.

You swipe left to right and you move over one to the left panel. You want to get to the left. You swipe left to right, and you move over one to the left panel. Left to right, you get your widgets. Currently, when you pull down Notification Center when your iPhone is unlocked, you cannot swipe left to get your widgets anymore. I have heard, I don't know if this was official, but I was hearing this all over the place during WWDC week, that these are going to return in Beta 2.

Did you hear that? I haven't heard that, but that sort of makes sense, during WWDC week that these are going to return in beta 2. Did you hear that? I haven't heard that, but that sort of makes sense because if you want to have access to them from inside an app, because you can also access them from the first, they're the page to the left of the first page of the home screen. So the one place where they aren't is if you're in an app. If you're in an app, you can't get to them. So if they put it back, that makes sense

because that lets you access those widgets from inside another app without leaving it by swiping down. So that makes sense. Definitely does. But I haven't heard that. No, I was hearing it all over the place with people talking about it. So I assume it's official or it's just a little rumor. We'll find out. Nathan wants to know, are there any minor features that came out during the week that caught your eye? So this is one of my favorite

things about the days after a WWDC keynote. People install the betas and they find out little tidbits that hadn't been previously spoken about. So I have a couple. The new folder animation I like a lot. it looks really nice when you use it especially on an iPad the thing I like the most about it is that you still see your background when you open a folder it doesn't do the zooming in to the folder

anymore, the folder zooms out from the home screen. It's a slight change but for me it's a nice one as opposed to getting a weirdly cropped view of your background. And also the animation looks great. It doesn't do that thing anymore, which I'm going to tell you this. If you haven't seen this, this is going to be upsetting for you.

Spoilers. Spoilers for iOS. Spoilers for your eyes. If you open a folder and close a folder, you can watch the corner radiuses change. They just flick for a second, and it's a horrifying thing if you catch it. It doesn't happen always, but every now and then you'll see just the corner radiuses flick just for a moment as the folder changes. It doesn't happen anymore.

They'll figure that out. I want to link, we'll put it in the show notes, to Serenity. figure that out i want to link we'll put in the show notes to uh serenity our friend serenity caldwell wrote a very nice piece on imor about the design language changes in ios 10 and we will talk about this more over the summer i'm sure um because it's one of my favorite things about ios 10 and your folder animation is a good example of it where one of the things that they've decided to do is have this approach of items items coming uh forward to you instead of having this kind of zoom and fade fade down they're they're um one of the things that was a feature of their ios 8 iowa and ios what was it seven which was the one that

first ditched skeuomorphism seven it was seven one of the features about that that i always liked was this idea of the the um semi uh translucent sheet uh so you would see like things obscured but it wouldn't dim they would just become like fuzzed out in the background and uh ios 10 does a lot more of that and i think in a good way where you've got you've got stuff in the foreground and other stuff in the background um the folder animation is an example of that. And I think in a good way where you've got stuff in the foreground and other stuff in the background, the folder animation is an example of that where the background stays where it is and the folder kind of comes forward

and the background just kind of gets fuzzed out. And I think maybe it helps with your mental geography of the system that the stuff is mostly staying where it is and this thing is just moving up toward you and then it recedes back. But Serenity has a nice piece about all of the design language changes that are happening in iOS 10 that people should check out.

Yeah, that's a good piece. And yeah, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on there. Yeah. I'm waiting for it to, one, settle in for me, and two, settle into the betas. I want to see how beta 2 looks before i think about beta 1 too much because history has shown that any ui changes get some some tweaks yeah i think i think once they're in production everybody looks at them and goes i don't know

about this and they do make some changes in the betas for sure anybody who's ever written anything by the way inside baseball here uh about ios or or mac or whatever. Yeah, you write your book or whatever or your review and you take screenshots and you know that you have to take all the screenshots again at the end of the process when the thing ships because it changes during the betas like visual changes happen. And, you know, you may not notice if you're using a day to day or if you're just reading about it. But if you write about it, let me tell you, you absolutely notice. Any screenshots you take today while you're writing your book about iOS 10, you're going to have to take them again in September.

It's just going to happen because they will tweak it as they go, which is good. They should tweak it. The design is as tweakable as the code is, really, if you're trying to decide like, oh, that doesn't work. Let's make some changes there. I also like that there is a new spotlight ui on the ipad so when you hit command space on a keyboard now uh it doesn't actually take you back to the home as when it doesn't take you back to the home anymore yeah it's the same for command tab it just overlays fantastic so great yeah that was that was always kind of a bizarre thing where you'd

hit command space and it would uh move you to the home screen and then bring up search and that animation was timing you'd be typing exactly exactly you don't need to do that anymore so i'm really excited about that it's very smart it shows some consideration out i'm going to throw out uh my my favorite minor feature. I mean, I think widgets in general, they talked about them, but I think they've got a lot of potential. I'm excited about them. But one of my pet features is getting addressed, which is if you have an external keyboard attached to an iPad and you go to settings, keyboard, you will see a sub menu for external hardware keyboard. I think it's called hardware keyboard.

And it lets you turn auto-correct and auto-capitalization on or off for the hardware keyboard. That's great. It's so great. It's so great. Cause you know, as I've said before, I love auto-correct on software keyboards and hate it on hardware keyboards because I know how to type words correctly with a hardware keyboard.

Turns out not with a software keyboard, though. I don't know at all that. So and and that's in there. So that that's a feature that I think is going to be great. I'm very excited about it. And then the other thing I'd mention, which, again,, I guess it doesn't count as one of Nathan's minor features, but I've gotten a chance to play with Swift playgrounds. Uh, another topic we'll probably talk about later this summer as this goes along. Uh, but it's great. It's just, it's the, it's great. They, they're not kidding. They built just with the tutorials that they built, you know, they're building educational tools inside this, uh, development playground app that they, that they built. They're building educational tools inside this development playground app that they built.

And I think it's going to be very popular in various sorts of education programs. So it's exciting. Julian asked, do you think that we'll get individual upgrades from the Apple built apps inside of iOS 10 now that they're featured in the App Store? This was discussed on the talk show as well.

They went into a bit of detail here. So in case you don't know, you'll be able to remove the Apple applications from your phone now. So you can remove mail, you can remove calendar, et cetera. Right. Well, from your screen.

Exactly. Because they're not actually App Store apps. Apple is using the App Store as the obvious way to people to get these applications back to their devices but even if you delete an app in air quotes from your phone the resources for these apps continue to be a part of the os but you just disable the application from view and remove the user data attached to it they will still be updated of each ios release

yeah so they're part of the system bundle and they actually said one of the reasons why this is the case is that uh cryptographically the os is signed and if you make changes to the os binary including these stock apps uh they it breaks the the signature it breaks the verification of it you can't you can't do that so they would have to remove them all and then download them all and they're integrated with the system so they can't do that. So they would have to remove them all and then download them all. And they're integrated with the system, so they can't do that. So somebody said it's actually a lot like what Microsoft had to do with Internet Explorer, which it was so deeply embedded in the system, but they could basically let you delete the icon if you really didn't want it there. And it's a little bit like that.

And what's interesting is they – and Schiller talked about it. It's like, what's our UI for bringing them back? And they, they just decided the app store is the UI. So I think Schiller got a big laugh when he said, uh, if you go to restore mail and you tap that,

that download button, it's going to be really fast because it's not actually downloading anything. It's just bringing the icon back. Yeah. So I think that's fine with me. Yeah. It's just bringing the icon back. Yeah, so I think... But that's fine with me. Yeah. That's fine with me. It's a smart way to do it, right?

Because if you delete an application, where would you go to get it back? Yeah, and I'm fine with this approach because I'm not concerned about the size of these apps. I more just want them to go away and not clutter up my app search and not get in my way because i don't if i don't use them i just want them to go away and this will make them out of sight if the if the stocks app is still lurking there behind the

scenes whatever i don't care i just don't want to see it mike asked does watch os3 replace the home screen if so with what so this is something that we weren't sure of last week. So it's also a bit of follow-up. The honeycomb, as we call it, I think Serenity called it the carousel. I don't even know what it's called. But the home screen with all the little circle icons still exists in watchOS 3.

It's just being de-emphasized now, I think. Yeah, that's where you go. If you want to launch an arbitrary app that's not in your dock, it's not on de-emphasized now i think yeah that's where you go if you want to launch an arbitrary app that's not in your dock it's not on a complication you can go to the home screen or you can use siri to open it and those are ways of doing think of it as like your second screen on your iphone i kind of wish they would give you at least the option of viewing it as a list instead of uh just those icons but um yeah, so it's still there. It's just that's the...

I mean, the doc metaphor is a good one, which is you've got your Mac apps that you put in your doc and then you've got your applications folder that has everything. It's funny that they drew from macOS instead of iOS for naming conventions and the kind of overall thinking? Well, I mean, there is a dock on iOS too, but it's not, I mean, this seems very much more like a Mac OS dock where it's down at the bottom and it kind of pops up and you can cycle through them and it's, yeah, but it's, that's the story.

So you, it's still there, but I think what Apple would like is for you not to need it very often. Craig wants to know, and I'm directing this 100% to you, do you know any of the specifics about the new Apple file system? Well, there's a session that you can watch on the developer site or in the WWDC app, and I believe anybody can watch those. It's dry. I asked John Syracuse about that session. He's like, yeah, it's not that exciting. And he really cares about the file system. But, you know, there's a bunch of cool stuff in there. There are

it's going to I think it's going to dramatically improve Time Machine because Time Machine is a hack. They make all these hard links and it's just, it's, it's such a hack and, uh, they're going to be able to throw that away on these new systems and do it in a completely different way. That should be a lot more efficient. Um, it's got, uh, some new concepts in terms of making duplicates of your files, like making a copy of a file. Now, when you make a copy, it's sort of like downloading the mail app from the app store it's instant because when you make a copy it actually just makes a new file icon that's pointing at the same data on the drive and then as you modify those files they will gradually diverge on the disk that's horrifying but it saves well no it's actually it's really clever so if you've got like

you've got like a package with 300 files in it and uh you make a copy of it and you start to edit that rather than making a duplicate of the space on your hard drive somewhere else just use them it yeah and then over time like as you make changes those changes save to the disk along with the stuff that remains on the disk from the previous file and it all just works and uh i mean it sounds scary until you realize that like all your files are scattered around on your disk and the file system is managing them anyway so it's just it's more of that but it's smarter there's like file level encryption that's happening it's i think it's

going to allow better security between like uh different users on the disc. There's, it's like timestamps down to the nanosecond, snapshots for like the ability to say, take a snapshot of the system and then restore it later, which is going to be good. I think especially in like lab conditions, when you need to wind the system back to a pristine state after a kid has been messing around with it all day in a classroom. A bunch of other stuff.

The one thing that it does not have in this current version anyway, and John Syracuse talked about this, is it doesn't seem to have data protection in the sense of checking files to see if the bits have changed. This is John's famous thing about like my photos, you know, as my photos get backed up and copied, have they been broken or do they still have integrity? Have there been errors introduced in my files that you can have the silent error introduced

and that what starts to get backed up and you lose the original. And he said, this doesn't have that, but it's not like they couldn't add it to this. This is a thoroughly modern file system. And although that presentation is dry and not the most exciting, something I took out of it that I was very impressed by

is the scope of what they had to do here. Because what the file system people were asked to build was a tool to scale from devices as small as the Apple Watch to as big and powerful as the Mac Pro. And all devices are going to run this file system. So, yeah, that's quite a challenge. But I think it's going to be good. It's not going to really impact anybody until next year because the version of it now is a test version that you basically can't do anything with it. And that's good, because nobody should do things on a beta file system. But in the end, I think it will provide a lot more file

system integrity, be more resilient across crashes, like power outages and things like that, just all of those things that a file system... I meant to ask Phil Schiller this, but it's like I remember getting briefed about HFS Plus in 1998 at Macworld, probably by Phil Schiller. And that was a long time ago. And that was the last major file system update for Apple. So they've come a long way. Time for a new file system.

So 2017 will be that time. And final question this week john asked what effect on battery are we expecting from all of this on-device processing of photos are we looking at background tasks or on demand and apparently the bulk of this processing happens at night when your device is plugged in and charging and then for every photo that's taken it then does it automatically yeah just as you snap the photo, it does all the processing. And Federici said at the talk show that, you know, the GPU is doing this. And he said it sounds like a lot.

It's an impressive number of calculations it does, however many million calculations it does. But that's a fraction of a second for the GPU on an iPhone. Fraction of a second. So they do that on the fly. They do all the data analysis embedded in the metadata and then move along. But yeah, I upgraded a test phone

to iOS 10 and left it plugged in and it sort of stayed warm overnight. But it processed, even with iCloud Photo Library where it didn't have all the images on the device at full quality, it still processed everything. And the next day I was able to search for lakes or cats

and find photos in my phone. Yeah, I looked for lakes and cats because I'm different that way. Valleys and cows. And it didn't find any cows. But anyway, it is going to do that when it's in a restful state. It's plugged in and on Wi-Fi and it will churn. But then it just happens. Every time you take a shot, that shot is processed and analyzed with all of Apple's machine learning,

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