Video Gamers Podcast - [Holiday Rewind] Hogwarts Legacy - Video Games Podcast

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes since we're on our holiday break right now. In this awesome episode, gaming wizards Michael, Josh and Paul are here with our full gaming breakdown of the hit release Hogwarts Legacy. Released to a lot of hype, we break down all the gaming elements of Hogwarts Legacy and tell you whether this is a video game made for gamers or if it’s better left for the Harry Potter fans. This is an episode you can’t afford to miss! Connect with the show: Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/videogamerspod Join our Gaming Discord: https://discord.gg/Dsx2rgEEbz Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/videogamerspod/  Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/VideoGamersPod  Subscribe to us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU12YOMnAQwqFZEdfXv9c3Q   Visit us on the web: https://videogamerspod.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Paramount! Behold! My name is Maximus Intertanius, and I come to you with big stars in big dramas, like Gladiator 2, Dexter, Original Sin, and 1923. Stream Paramount Plus for $6.99 a month. Hey guys, it's Paul here. This is one of our Holiday Rewind episodes because at the end of every December, we like to take a two-week break to spend a little bit of extra time with our families around the Christmas season. For this Rewind episode, we have decided to re-release Hogwarts Legacy. This is a game that came out back in February, totally took the world by storm. I don't think any of us thought that this game would sell as well as it did and offer as much fun and

adventure as we all discovered. This episode was recorded by Josh, Michael, and me. This is still a few months before Ryan had joined the pod. And a little bit of a spoiler alert, the three of us that recorded this episode found the game to be an incredible delight. My expectations were basically down in the gutter right before release. I did not think that this game was going to work. My assumption was that the mechanics and combat of the game would be scaled back and very basic in order to accommodate casual gamers. And I thought that it may not offer a whole lot to people who are more into like first person shooters and RPGs, things like that. Instead, we were very delighted to find this beautiful game really made you feel like you were a real Hogwarts student. I mean, even just talking about this and remembering the game

has me wanting to reinstall and jump back into it. Fun fact, Hogwarts Legacy ended up popping up a few times when we recorded our end-of-year awards for 2023. I actually named it my most surprising game because I just did not think it would be as good as it was. Josh also brought it up for two different awards. He named it for most memorable moment when he first flew around Hogwarts. And of course, he gave Professor Garlic the Smokeshow Award for most attractive character in 2023.

All right, that's enough of an intro here. We hope that you all will enjoy this episode. We'll get back to our regular schedule starting in january hope all of you out there are having a great holiday season let's get it started flipendo confrigo crucio hello fellow wizards and witches! Welcome to the Multiplayer Gaming Podcast. We are three dads who love gaming, and today will be a deep dive of the 2023 Smashing Success Hogwarts Legacy. Please hit the follow button so you get all our episodes, rate us 5 stars, and leave a written review. Also, please go check out our Patreon page. You can sign up starting at $5 a month, and not only will you help fund the show,

you'll also get two Squadcast episodes every single month. Go check it out at MultiplayerSquad.com. I am your host, Paul, and I'm going to introduce my co-hosts before they come up with another clever idea to get us killed, or worse, expelled. Coming up first, he's in Slytherin house and he's been seen running an illegal dragon fighting ring for profit.

It's Josh. I am not going to say the spell that everybody thought I was going to say because it's been overdone. All I'm going to say is that I am the jerkiest wizard that has ever existed. You're not giving game pieces back to students around Hogwarts, things of that nature? There was one part of this game where I felt,

actually felt really bad about having to be a jerk. We'll cover that in the spoiler section. But man, that one was tough. Oh, how funny. And joining me in Josh, he, I think, is in Ravenclaw House with me. He's been spending most of his time in his vivarium, where he's been helping Thestrals and Unicorns get busy for his Fantastic Beasts breeding business. It's Michael.

Harry Potter, the boy who lived, come to die. I give that a five. I give that a five out of ten michael i could do the avada kadaver a little bit it's more throaty all right that's a three out of ten we're getting worse here we gotta move on yeah i guess i guess varium i spent way too much time in there i got the most adorable varium ever i just gotta say that they're adorable little furry tribbles everywhere very nice all right we've got so much to cover today with hogwarts legacy but before we jump into the deep dive josh we have a very special review to read on the show we've got this this may be simultaneously my favorite review and my least favorite review ever all right so hey we read reviews on the show guys we always say hey we you know we

really like the five star reviews well this is a one star review and it comes in from the original sg boy from down under in australia that was terrible sorry australian people we love you um and it says rated one for being one of those toxic gamers. And it says, toxic for touting being angry when a game is delayed as a badge of pride or honor? Shame on you! Warped views like this is why we have current Chernobyl-esque radiation toxicity in the gaming culture. Thanks, but no thanks for contributing to nonsense like developers getting death threats because views like that definitely spur that on all right so this review is very confusing because this literally accuses us of doing everything we stand against we have covered

news stories of death threats to developers over delays and we've said shame on you gamers why do you do this josh you've even said you're cured of getting angry about delays i i don't know where this is coming from i think maybe this guy clicked like a random twig from a year and a half ago and maybe heard some rant about a game delay but this review is hilarious because it could not be more different than what we do i'm kind of sad like am i am i toxic i never thought of myself for sure michael you are i mean you murder everything you whine all the time that's definitely you know you never see the bright side of games it's like um like that like like what was it like four four deep dives in paul actually quoted to

me he's like you know michael i think you're just like how i am with movies you just like all games yeah yeah exactly uh positive takes on everything i don't i don't know what podcast uh the original sg boy is listening to it is apparently not our podcast but they left a review on this podcast so but hey like i always say if you leave us a review there's a good chance we're gonna read it on the show i we we definitely appreciate criticism i mean if you think josh you're too old for this and i you know your voice sucks like that's constructive criticism okay like i'll get younger and i'll have a voice transplant like i i get it you know that's a good idea. We should do that. Um, but that's where the Patreon money goes.

Can I go, can mine be less nasally? That'd be great. No, no, that's your calling card, Michael. Um,

but yeah, anyway, if you haven't left a review for the show, we really do appreciate the reviews. Um, you know, five star helps the show because that helps other people realize that this is a pretty good podcast. Oh,

how funny. And then also Michael, I think it's time for another streamer of the week oh streamer of the week we don't have a drop for that right still so i just gotta wait wait wait pause time out paul before the next show you and i have got to find a drop so that michael will quit singing the intro to this segment. I don't think anything mentions stream or streamer. I have no clue what the drop's going to be. We're just going to have to get something. I don't know.

Just get some generic robot voice. It'll just be Paul and I beatboxing instead of Michael. Yeah. And then Michael will be like, wait a minute. I was better than that. Oh, man. All right. We have a very special Twitch streamer today.

And by special, it's because this is actually someone that I have been subbing on Twitch for the last 27 months. So I give my hard-earned money to Becca Plays on Twitch. Just like a lot of our folks do through Patreon supporting us. I'm absolutely a huge fan. She's probably my favorite streamer. She makes everything about my workday better. And so I've watched her play Valorant, Overwatch 2, Apex Legends,

so games that just baffle me because I'm terrible at shooters, which makes me think that she's always playing God mode because she's incredible. But yeah, and on top of that, though, she also does insanely good artwork. So she'll do art streams sometimes. But what makes her extra special is that her community may rival our community like really really strong uh lots of

people who are just very engaged very happy to be around and helpful in a lot of ways so go check her out um you don't have to know how to spell it's because it's it's becca plays with two a's in the middle we'll leave the link in the description below but please go check her out and let her know that the multiplayer gaming podcast Podcast sent you by. I love it. Go check it out. All right. Well, gents, Juan's at the ready. We've got dark wizards, animal poachers, and rebel goblins afoot. It's time to deep dive Hogwarts Legacy. All right. We always start these deep dives by reading a description of the game on Steam. Here it is.

Hogwarts Legacy is an immersive open-world action RPG. Now you can take control of the action and be at the center of your own adventure in the wizarding world. All right, so Hogwarts Legacy released on February 10th of this year. It has been selling like gangbusters. I read an article on Forbes this week that estimates the game is going to end up probably selling about 20 million copies by the end of the year, which would put it above the likes of Elden Ring.

Complete success. I think we were all a little curious to see how it was going to perform and do commercially, and the answer ends up being quite well. And also, I want to let everyone know here up at the front that as we always do with our deep dives we will keep everything spoiler free for now but we will give you guys a warning later when we're going to talk about some of the late game content all right i know that we have talked about this a little bit before on previous

shows but i have a feeling we're going to have some new listeners who maybe found us just by searching for hogwarts legacy what is your guys relationship to the books and the movies uh it was uh i think i had a date with that's the that's the deepest the relationship when is i watched them each once yeah actually it sounds creepy i'll say watch them from afar um no no i just i i've yeah i've i've seen i've seen the movies each once, and I made my children watch them because I said, you will enjoy this. You need a two-hour babysitter. Watch this.

There you go. What about you, Josh? I've seen all of the movies once. I've seen the first three, probably two or three times. I like Harry Potter. I like anything that's fantasy nature you know based uh i've seen the um crimes of wow what's the fantastic pets and where to find them fantastic and where to find them let's be honest they're pets right yeah so it's like you know but

so that tells you right like i'm not a huge fan i like the setting i've seen the movies i enjoyed the movies a lot i've never read the books i will never the setting. I've seen the movies. I enjoyed the movies a lot. I've never read the books. I will never read the books. I've seen the movies. That's good enough. I like it. I like the setting and I'm interested in the world. How funny.

Yeah, I absolutely adore Harry Potter. I worked at a movie theater when the first two came out. So I actually read the first book before the movie and I thought it was fine. I loved the book. I before the movie. And I thought it was fine. I loved the book. I thought the movie was very good. I didn't really ever care to see it again. And I watched the others once as they came out. And for me, it was once Order of the Phoenix came out in the movie theaters, where it had a little more of an adult dark tone, where Harry's actually trying to cast Crucio at Bellatrix and stuff. And then that really sucked me in.

So I've read all the books except Order of the Phoenix. I have the movies on 4K Blu-ray. I've probably watched them 20 times with my kids each. I could not wait for Hogwarts Legacy because of how much I love Harry Potter lore. And I'm really curious to get your guys' takes, especially Michael, in a little bit, since he didn't have a whole lot of a relationship to Harry Potter potter ip uh so let's kind of start at the very beginning right so you fire up hogwarts legacy for the first time i want to talk about like the opening 30 to 60 minutes of the game you're basically introduced to the overall story and the mechanics how well did this game suck you

in and what did you think about those first few missions blown away honestly i was not expecting this like i i you know we've we've i've said it before i'll say it again but we've historically been up and down on hogwarts legacy we really did not know how this game was going to turn out um and booting this game up i just went, the first hour was incredible. Dude, they get you invested right away. The cut scenes and what's happening. You go through Gringotts and it's like such a cool freaking sequence, man. You're on this like goblin roller coaster.

You're going through Gringotts. It's like you can look around. You're not just locked into the straight view there's dialogue there's voice acting and i'm just going like the production value for this is through the roof is the whole game gonna be this way or is it like hey we made a really good first hour and then the rest of the game's kind of um sorry guys we ran out of time yeah right yeah i thought that the first 30 minutes of this game was so efficient to just set up everything for the entire game like we made so much fun of forespoken for being like six hours of tutorial and the first 30 minutes of hogwarts legacy is just kind of like

okay you get a cut scene and now we've taken this port key and we think we know where to go oh there's a broken bridge well hey character you can cast repair oh just go ahead and say repair oh and then you just get to play the game there's no giant tutorial screens you have to read through you're not stuck in your boots in of concrete not being able to move they just tell you to cast a spell and it's in your spell bar and you just do it and you just get to run through this world. They immediately set you up with puzzles, combat, the characters. They also very quickly teach you that you are a special magic user because you get to sense a certain type of magic that not everybody does.

And all of it just gets set up immediately. I thought this was one of the best tutorials in gaming ever maybe in a very long time i found it to suck me in almost immediately you do also find out pretty quickly that you are special because like nine people are like it's pretty rad we've got a first year student fifth year student here oh what's like four people are like oh fifth year student like what's that mean well yeah that's a big deal because in harry potter world like you always start year one and you don't want to get students too late so that's why it's like such a big deal no one ever comes in as a fifth year and for you

to come in and to have all this talent is rather remarkable but i think this game really stood apart because how many times have we made fun of the witcher 3 or mass effect 1 these games that don't take off until hour five or six slow slow burns yeah yeah very slow this is zero to 60 immediately yeah i think that my take on it is that you know with harry potter before i literally started watching it because my favorite actor gary oldman was in it and that was it there's no gary oldman in this game by the way so i was already a little bit trepidatious about approaching it um but you know something that this you mentioned it just now paul about you know you find out very quickly that you are special i am i've been a sucker my entire life of watching films and

reading novels for the chosen one trope you know like you are the chosen one luke skywalker things like that neo where like something sets you apart and i found myself drawn in very quickly because of this it they nailed it it starts off like without getting in the details it starts off with some pretty quick action and immediately like within the first like three or four minutes you're looking at something nobody else can see. And I'm like, what's that about? I need to know more. And I'm like, I'm sucked in already.

Good old Teddy Socrates is going to have a great time in this world. Was that the name of your character? Yeah, my character's name was. I'm like, it's Teddy Socrates. I made him. And I'm like, that looks like Teddy Socrates. I'm going to call him that. It just popped in my head.

And I'm like, that's a wizard name for sure. Oh, that's too funny. Yeah, I named my character after me, so he ran around as Paul Lehman. Yeah, I was grinning like an idiot the entire opening hours of this game, going to pick out your wand, and you get to create it. And meeting characters whose last names you know, so you get to meet ancestors of the Weasleys and the Blacks, and all that stuff was so cool. So let's talk a little bit about the progression of the game. You do level up in Hogwarts Legacy, you do earn XP. That does matter in the game, but I think primarily what you do by way of progression is learning new spells. And I thought that Hogwarts did that in a really neat way.

Basically, you attend classes like potions or herbology or whatever, and your teachers have agreed to give you additional assignments to get you caught up. So they tell you, hey, go run off and do this or that, and then come back to me, and I'll teach you your next spell. And pretty soon before you know it, every, I don't know, 20 minutes or so, you're adding another spell to your arsenal. And I thought that that was really awesome to be able to discover these new schools of magic, be able to put them into practice. And the game really just feeds these to you basically every 20 to 40 minutes throughout the entire game, pretty much until you unlock all of them.

How'd you guys feel about that system of progression? Guys, I felt like a student at hogwarts like no joke we were just talking about this on the gaming mechanics episode about you know immersive tutorials this was an immersive progression unlike really something that i'd felt and seen previously because um you know i just like you said you just go out you learn things you come back and you can tell this was happening over a long period of time as well so it didn't feel like it was like hey you're doing it right now the seasons actually change in this game which was really cool so it made it more realistic that i was learning these things over a year at school and i feel like that was appropriate like i would learn i would get caught

up in my first year which is my fifth year really my first year um and it just it just it just made so much sense to me and it was so easy to follow along with this world literally feeling like i'm a student and just when i thought it was gonna get annoying because you go to the classroom you gotta sit there and you gotta listen to oh no i'm gonna go to i'm starting to dread like the classroom quests because i thought it was gonna be oh here's another long cut scene and then just when i thought it was gonna get annoying they moved to montages and it was like a 30 second montage and you're done and i've learned the spell and i'm good to go i get expelliarmus now you don't got no one anymore buddy i i really enjoyed the way that they did

this i think it was a very neat way to handle progression in the game without overloading you with stuff and not needing a necessarily dedicated tutorial, right? I love the fact that it's like, hey, do you want to learn this spell? Go to class. Do this mission or two. You're professors and it makes sense, right? Your professors give you these spells as a reward. And so it's like, hey, I need to know because again, you're a fifth year student. They don't know everything about you. They're trying to make sure that you're prepared for this knowledge that you're going to get. And so they go, hey, I need you to go do these two things and then come back to me, and then I'll teach you this spell. Number one, the two things you have to go do, they're fine. Like, honestly, they're just little side quests.

It's not go collect five wolf pelts, and you're just like, oh, like this sucks, you know, but then you get back. And one of the things that I really enjoy, and this is such a stupid thing, is that when they teach you the spell, you actually have to draw the symbol for the spell. Right. And it's kind of time based because there's a little meter and it's like, hey, so you've got I felt like a wizard. I felt like a wizard that's learning like the swooshy swoop thing with the wand, and then you say the thing. And it's different for every single spell that you learn. And I just thought that's such a neat little touch

because I feel like I'm actually getting taught this by a professor at Hogwarts. So it just seems very authentic to me and how they go about easing you into this game. And it's really neat because you don't just learn spells from the teachers. You're also going to make friends in the world of Hogwarts. And some of them maybe dabble in the restricted section of the library, or maybe they're teaching themselves some banned spells or some unforgivable curses.

And that's also really, really exciting because that, that to me paralleled a lot of the Harry Potter lore where you're not just going to class, you're also getting into a little bit of trouble. But everybody's kind of okay with that. Like everyone kind of understands the world of Harry Potter is morally gray. And so there are secret hidden rooms around Hogwarts that you're using to test these spells

that you're not even supposed to know or use. And I thought that that always felt very exciting in this world. In addition to learning spells, you also unlock some progression for modes of transportation, like riding your broom. You can do some races and tests in order to level those up. And I think that's kind of a good transition to talking about the open world, because you're going to be traveling through not just Hogwarts and also also hogsmeade but also the open world around it like the forbidden forest um hogwarts in and of itself is very big uh very windy very confusing to run around sometimes a

marker looked very close to you and it turned out you had to run about 700 feet to get there yeah yeah it's like clearly this marker's right next to me and next thing turned out you had to run about 700 feet to get there yeah yeah it's like clearly this marker's right next to me next thing you know you got to run all the way outside to the next castle take stairs and run back and hogsward hogsward hogwarts is enormous then you travel north to hogsmeade and then you kind of start to realize how big the world really is because you open up that map and realize how close those two are and how much area there is around it so talking about some more of the open world activities what were some of your guys favorite or maybe least favorite things to do the world yeah was that your least favorite or your favorite no that's my favorite i'll be i'll

be honest man dude this is gonna sound like the world's worst dad joke or worst pun ever, but I genuinely mean this, is that this Hogwarts and the world in Hogwarts Legacy are magical. Absolutely. It is, I can't remember a game that combines a home base like Hogwarts and the size of Hogwarts, dude. It is massive. When you were running through the hallways and the stairways and you're exploring and you're finding these little secrets and there's these rooms and there's the different towers and branches. And I'm not a Hogwarts nerd, so I don't know all the different parts of the school and all that but it they could have just made the entire game inside hogwarts right and i think it would have been plenty fine like honestly it's that big it's that expansive and then you you make your first trip to hogsmeade and this is not a spoiler because everybody knows we go to hogsmeade it's it's pretty early in the game. They talked about that in the release trailer.

I loved every step, every step going. I'm like, I, I'm not that big of a Harry Potter nerd, but I'm going to Hogsmeade and I'm walking through this, this world and I'm just looking around everywhere. My family, because like my daughter loves Harry Potter. She's standing behind me and she's like, this is so accurate. Like that's Hogsmeade. Dad, you're going to Hogsmeade. And I'm like, yeah, I know. You know what I mean?

But it's just the open world is phenomenal in this game. As far as like activities to do, I liked most of them, to be honest with you. You do these things called the Merlin Trials, which are little puzzles that I thought were really cool. There are dungeons that you can explore. I mean, they really cover the gamut. There's challenges when you get your broom and you're flying around on your broom. You can do broom challenges. You can help people.

You can explore these little villages. There is no shortage of stuff to do in this open world. Yeah, and that's the thing, too, is that this open world is very lush. I like that you see bigger open worlds out there. And this is a big open world. It's not small. You see bigger ones that have a lot of empty space. Bethesda does this a lot.

You're walking. You're like, there's a giant camp way over there. And you don't see a lot between here and there you can't go a hundred steps without running into something whether it's a merlin puzzle whether it's the balloon popping thing where you're flying around or just a field guide page that's hanging out or a little um what do you call the little towns they're called something hamlets hamlets little hamlets all over the place there is something to do almost everywhere. But a couple of things that I really, really liked were... I did love doing the Merlin sites at first until I did all 94 of them and realized that

I did try to complete this game, by the way. A full disclosure, I have 59 hours in between three different saves because I couldn't decide if I wanted to do curses or not. But there's only eight different types of Merlin puzzles. So that did kind of get a little bit old, but only because I was doing what people do when they make things old is do all 94 of them. I found these hedge mazes, which I found delightful.

I'm like, there's a hedge maze here. And there's a chest in the middle of it. You just walk through this archway, you're doing a hedge maze. And they were pretty simple, but I was in a hedge maze. It was super cool. And literally just flying from the north end to the south end because the north end is more like what you would see in like the highlands of scotland and things like that the south end you're seeing like the cliffs and whales and stuff you know with like that just the dark

sea and things and it was just it was a beautiful world to explore there was always something to do you fly over sometimes there's a picture of a butterfly on the map. And you're like, what is that? You go down there and you're literally following these butterflies for 30 seconds. And lo and behold, it goes, and it gives you a treasure just because these butterflies are so kind. This world loves us. You know, we always say in order for an open world game to work, it has to feel lived in. You have to have a sense of culture and people and movement. And some games just feel very empty.

It's my only real criticism of cyberpunk. There's a lot of people walking around. They're not talking to each other. There's nothing going on. Red Dead, on the other hand, does it fantastically. Hogwarts feels like that. When you first run from Hogwarts to Hogsmeade, there are students all along the path talking about their classes, talking about the teachers, sharing gossip about other students. It feels like you're living in the real world of Harry Potter.

And even in Hogsmeade, all the people are running around and they're talking to one another. You really get a sense of how the world works. And each individual Hamlet have local quests that relate to them. So maybe a guy in Hogsmeade gives you a quest to deliver a couple potions to a Hamlet, and then you deliver the potions. Well, now they have their own stuff going on. They're going to give you side quests to go out and complete. I felt like this really hit the ball out of the park as far as as open world

mechanics go and and you said something too that i want to just make one line on this a little bit deeper is that they're talking to each other they're talking they talk about you they do what oblivion did i'm walking by these students and this girl's like that's him that's the new fifth year student i had he fought a dragon and then later on you go to another hamlet and they're like i really liked what you did for jimmy you really boosted his confidence and it's just like what what like that happened like they're talking about me and i'm in fact in this world i love that it's i felt like the hero of kvatch in the open world which i haven't felt since that game the other thing i loved too is that they did make a lot of promises about discovering puzzles and things inside Hogwarts.

And nothing really highlights that they're there. But all of a sudden, you're just running on a bridge, and you notice little brassieres that have numbers. And you can flip them, and you see maybe there's a way to solve a puzzle. All of a sudden, a hole opens in the floor with a ladder and you go get to loot some treasure like there's stuff like that inside hogwarts that i really found delightful because you might just turn a corner and find a puzzle and have to unlock something in the castle yeah i they did it they did a really good job with this world it actually caught me by surprise i thought i thought they were gonna nail hog Hogwarts because it's Hogwarts legacy. You know

what I mean? And it's like, oh, they're going to put all their effort into making Hogwarts cool for all the Harry Potter nerds out there. And then they're not going to know what to do with this open world. And you're just going to fly around. It's going to be trees. It's going to be another Forspoken, right? Where it's just, hey, there's places you can go, but there's nothing in between. And that is as far from the truth as you can get. I'll say this other thing about the open world. I love the fact that they progressively get you to go further and further in the open world to where at one point I didn't realize the world was as big as it actually was. Because later on in the game, you are going towards like almost to the coast, you know, or you are going to the coast.

And that's a long way. Like, you know, but here, this is probably the biggest testament. I used fast travel. You get flu flames. You can fast travel. More often than not, I would just fly to where I was going because it felt so good to just fly through this world. Yes.

No, I was, I was like, I'm like, I, Josh and Paul are going to be so frustrated with me because it's going to take me forever to finish this game. It's going to be last out of the moment because I'm like going around Hogwarts. I'm like, I don't want to fast travel there. I want to learn how to go around Hogwarts. And that's just, that's just that.

Like literally Hogwarts felt like, like the, the castle feels, the school feels like its own open world, because I cannot stress, if you have not played this game, how big it is. But yeah, completely. I wanted to fly. I wanted to use the different brooms. I would do broom cosmetics just to fly on a different broom. I never do that in a game. Oh, yeah. I completely agree with you guys. I never used fast travel inside Hogwarts. I would sometimes, if I'm traveling back somewhere in the open world, I'd use the Flue Flames. And they were nice. They were convenient to use. But honestly, as big as the world is, broom travel is rather fast,

and you do unlock some other things later. I just loved using the broom. And as long as you fly close to the surface, kind of like the game Anthem, where you could fly really fast if you were over water, as long as your broom is close to the ground, you can keep traveling very quick for as long as you want. All right. Well, we are going to take a short break, and we'll be right back with more multiplayer gaming podcasts. Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today

and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit Superstore.ca to get started. All right, fellas, we are back. I think our biggest concern leading into Hogwarts Legacy was the combat, right? I think we all thought it would have a lot of lore. It would probably have a lot to do in the open world. But how the combat gonna work i think there were even some jokes made if the combat here is like the lego games then this game is not really going to appeal to us right well i mean i don't know about you guys i played on hard i put it on hard immediately because i knew the game was going to be pretty easy and this game is no bloodborne or elden ring of course I'm not going to try to compare it to those it is not a walk in the park you have to heal a lot you will die if you play on hard and I was actually rather surprised by the depth and the difficulty of the combat I was very pleasantly

surprised I I loved the variety in the combat more so than I thought because I think I criticized this in a twig episode it was like oh yeah oh, yeah, okay, yeah, earth, air, fire, water. We get it. You know, because they were like, hey, there's the different... I forget what they're called again, but, you know, the different elements and so forth that you're using. The variety was great. And they used something that worked so well that we talked about in the Forspoken review

that didn't work, is that an enemy would put up a protective barrier, for instance, and it would be purple, and you had to hit that enemy with the purple spell to break it or you couldn't do any damage or the the the zombie the fire zombie igni ignite yeah in in fairy inferior in the theory whatever the zombies you can't do damage to them unless you hit them with fire first and it had a lot of that kind of stuff where depending on what you're fighting, you had to approach it differently. And even though the combat was definitely a little too easy, we probably all had to go up to hard mode. And I would recommend anyone go up to hard mode, because that's the baseline. That's a normal mode, probably. But it actually had a good bit of variety and challenge to where it kept it fresh and fun and again every time that you kind

of got into a spot where you're like okay i kind of get it now you learn a new spell to throw at him and so it was really nice to have that um the only thing that i would say is i do wish i had a little bit more control over like what type of ancient power attack i was using because it was done randomly i was like i didn't like the one where i was like slamming him against the ground because it looked too much like a dance and i'm like no make that more violent i'm like wait this is harry potter it's for kids never mind the the other cool thing in here is it also incorporates dodging but also using protego as a shield around you and if you pressed and held it then you would also counter and cast stupefy against an enemy and then there

are some things that protego could not protect you against and you had to dodge and roll and when you started to put all this together and on hard, it gives you much shorter reaction time to do all these things. I actually found it to be rather delightful. I never found the combat to be too challenging, but it also wasn't incredibly easy as you got into the late game. Some of the fights I did feel got pretty long. Like there's every once in a while you'd get challenges in the bottom right. And one of them said, complete this fight within 15 minutes. of the fights i did feel got pretty long like there's every once in a while you'd get challenges in the bottom right and one of them said complete this fight within 15 minutes and i was like holy cow yeah as fun as the combat is i don't want to just be rolling and casting spells for 15 minutes

straight um but at the same time i found a lot of the fights to be somewhat challenging i really enjoyed the combat i said before if the combat in this game is too easy it's really going to ruin the game for me because i don't want lego combat you know that that was a good analogy there so i stole it from you paul um but you know i put it i actually started on normal just because i wanted to see what the normal difficulty was and it was way too easy but when you move up to hard this is not elden ring hard this is just hey you actually have to pay attention and the thing that i love about combat is that there are so many different systems that are all coming to play at one time um you you

mentioned protego so you can you can basically parry it's kind of like a parry for most people in a game right where you know hey you know, hey, you get a little warning. You know, there's something coming. And then you parry and you will block the spell. And if you hold it down, you'll cast stupefy back at that person. That's a neat mechanic. There is the dodge mechanic, a la Elden Ring. Now, I'll be honest.

I'm pretty familiar with that. So I did a lot more dodging than I did Protego. But Protego is very rewarding in the sense that it's like dude i timed that and now that dude's stupefied um oh man now i just sang the disturbed song in my head right there i was about to ask if we were going to do a drop with that i was i was totally oh i'm so happy you said that um but then on top of that you have your different like magic schools and i can't remember there is a term what's the term paul where it's like schools of magic maybe i don't know you have your yellow your purples your reds you know those

sorts of things same term i couldn't think of earlier i think there's a term for it but you know so then you have your different schools of magic that you're using, where you've got your fire spells and your control spells and your movement spells or whatever. And sometimes the characters have shields and you have to break through those shields. So not only are you dodging and you're blocking and you're switching spells and you're casting spells, but then on top of that,

the spells combo together, which is so cool. Leviosa, dude's floating in the air. Crowd control, great. I can go focus on this guy. Or I can zap this dude because now he's taking extra damage because he's just helpless floating in the air. So that's cool because now I get a damage bonus to that guy. Or I can slam that dude down to the ground to get mega damage because now i've done

this cool combo where i lifted him up and then i slammed him down yeah and dude there's like six different systems that are all just doing this perfect ballet dance together the combat was freaking great and it felt so good yes like when you did like you're in a tough fight and i would almost always do this in a boss fight i wanted to finish it off with a bang like i would save my my power because that's one thing i don't think we mentioned is is that you you also build up your uh your ancient power by combos yeah and um and so you build that up like if you hit the enemy 10 times in a row you get a little bit of ancient magic to fill your meter and then if you get enough you get to cast an ancient magic spell which is like your super move right your uh your ultimate and so like i would always like man i loved it when i would get down there i

know that enemy's health bar is there and i'd hit that button and i'm like sitting there and i i swear that i'm like doing one movements with my hands in my in my in my living room of my house like just like you felt good because the combat was engaging and deep. And you could you could also put a preference in there. Like Josh was talking about the levitate and then hold them there and do that damage. I love the freeze slice, man. I was the master. I'm just like froze slice because it was quick, quick, quick, quick.

Next guy. I loved it. Well, and we haven't even mentioned what is the best part of combat, which is the dark arts. Oh, the unforgivable curses are so satisfying, man. They knew. They knew. I normally am a good guy in a game. I went full evil, as evil as I could go in Hogwarts Legacy, because them curses, they feel real good, man.

They are so OP compared to everything else first of all dark arts spells cut through any color barrier yeah so guess what you don't go have to go hunt for that yellow spell you can just hit them with imperio or crucio or avada kedavra and i don't think this is a spoiler because you see it all very early in the game but you do get a talent tree and there are certain ways to add in more mechanics to combat, where now when you curse enemies, it puts a green X on them. And now they're taking additional damage.

Well, they even shared in some of the early footage that you can throw curses on multiple enemies. And now you can have a talent where if you cast the kill curse, it will kill everybody who's linked together that is currently cursed. So now you start to do really goofy stuff where i'm throwing a curse on this guy and that guy and whoever i have under imperio anyone he hits gets a curse now i can cast avada kedavra and i've just killed seven dark wizards simultaneously and the game builds around that they never give you everyone at once

there's always waves so you can't really cheese your way out of the fight. But man, the dark arts, you got to use. It is every single time that I walked up to a little camp of trolls and of the goblins and there's a troll in the middle. I mind controlled that troll and just sat back and laughed for a minute because the troll is just smashing all these little tiny goblins and i was dying oh yeah i gotta give them kudos man because i thought the combat was going to be a secondary point in this game and they wound up absolutely nailing it i i mean they really did a phenomenal job on the combat in this game and here's the beauty of it i love difficult difficult combat, but I get it. There are a lot of people out there where they don't want to struggle with combat. Hey,

yeah, it's nice, but I don't want to put it to... On normal setting, combat is not hard. But you still get to feel like a wizard that's battling goblins and other creatures and dark wizards and stuff like that too. So they really hit that one out of the park. I also have to mention one last thing about combat before moving on. I don't know about you guys. My character was equal parts ninja and wizard because this game also gives you stealth. Yeah. And you can run around.

Yeah. And if you run, you can cast disillusionment or you can drink a potion to make you invisible. And then you can run up behind enemies. And instead of choking them out like you might in another game, you can cast Petrificus Totalus and you petrify them. And that is also hilarious because characters around them might hear or figure something out. And now they're hunting for you. Also, I've talked about before how much i love blasting enemies off of high surfaces yes you don't get to do it often but there are a couple

missions when you are able to push an enemy off ledges and they will die and i find that always satisfying the the really i gotta give them kudos since you brought up the stealth paul dude how many games know that you're in stealth and so you're creeping around you're you're partially invisible because you've cast disillusionment and then when you cast a spell your dude whispers it yeah the first time that happened i was like what yep like that's such a cool touch man and the fact that you're casting these spells and he's going instead of like patrificus totalus it's like patrificus totalus and then the dude like a board falls over like he's completely right like dude it's the little touches man

that they really nailed you almost heard the gong sound every time you cast that patrificus totalus it was like because they look like wily coyote when he runs into the pole um no but then also like there was more stealth mechanics that made it even better i hate stealth in games i don't like stealth games i just typically don't do it i i've been playing you know i played a little bit of a playtale requiem because the whole game is that way and it's it's based on it i wanted to see the story but i don't like stealth i love the stealth in this game partly because you could still do things like you could cast your like your what your your regular right click fire your what would you the regular wand fire against a wall and the bad guy would go

investigate that so you could sneak up behind him like things like that that make it more fun to be in stealth just again the combat they just got it right i don't understand why they didn't show more of the combat because we were worried about it right and it turned out to be worry about nothing because they just didn't show us the full content of the combat it wasn't even a worry about nothing it was a highlight yeah yeah it was the fan the combat in this was fantastic another huge important part of the game on top of the combat and the open world and all this, at least to me, is your relationships with the other students. All right. Now, sometimes you would just be given a short quest from another student. Hey, I want to brew this potion. Will you go steal this piece that I need? Or, hey, I need something that's down in a basement in

Hogsmeade. Will you go break in and get it? Or I've lost my game pieces around Hogwarts. Can you go hunt them down and bring them back to me? And those end rather quickly. But you do have a couple of core friends, kind of like your Ron and Hermione of the Harry Potter movies. And here you've got Sebastian, Poppy, and Natty. And you run missions for them over the course of the entire game. And as much as I enjoyed the main story, which honestly we didn't even mention in the opening parts, there's a goblin rebellion being run by this dude named Ranrock. He looks incredibly evil. He's got red eyes.

And he's like the big bad that you're hunting down. And he's also maybe also hunting you. But I found that while that story was interesting, the real emotions of the game came out through the relationship quest lines with the other students. I actually found those to be the biggest payoff at the end of the game is seeing where those quest lines went. And I thought that was also handled with a lot of care. I completely agree. When we go into spoiler time, I've got it in bold so i can try to get this in before josh has a chance to speak i have to talk about sebastian like i love the character sebastian yeah so fascinating boy yeah he's my boy but i think that i think that it's

what i really liked about this game was unlike a lot of other open world games is that the side quests really kind of went hand in hand with the main quest line as well like a lot of other open world games, is that the side quests really kind of went hand in hand with the main quest line as well. Like a lot of the big bads that you're working towards in the side quests are named NPCs that are players in Randrock's plan. And so you're kind of doing these things that you don't have to do to end the main story, but they enrich the main story. I really like that. I loved the side quests, to be enrich the main story. I really like that. I loved the side quests, to be honest. The relationship quests I thought were fantastic. I liked the fact that they had different flavors to me. Sebastian was my boy. Anytime Sebastian needed me, I'm there for you, Sebastian. It didn't matter what was going on. If he was like,

if he sent me an owl, I'm dropping everything, man. I'm going to help my boy. And it's that quest line. And again, we should reiterate, these go through the whole game. So you really get invested in these characters at this point. And Sebastian's whole quest line, I thought, was phenomenal. And then you've got the one with Poppy. Poppy's quest line is a completely different flavor. Like, that's what I loved about it, right? Is it's like, hey, I've got this serious nature thing going on with Sebastian and this progression of like him through the world. And again, no spoilers right now. But then you've got this thing with Poppy where I'm like, I'm just getting to see the magic of this land. You know what i mean like this is this is crazy that's a completely different theme it's a different flavor i love it you know so anytime she would send me an owl i'd be like oh i gotta go help poppy because i want to see what's gonna happen next you know i'll be honest what's

really weird to me is i i don't know if it's just that i focused on those two i did not follow through with the natty quest line at all. Oh, hers had an incredible payoff. See, I might have to go back. I might go back and do that one because the other two were so good. But then I just I wanted to make sure that I beat the game, you know, in time for recording and stuff like that. So at some point, because there is a lot of content in this game, I had to just kind of say, hey, I i'm just gonna focus on this so i did miss out on the natty quest line the good news is you can still finish all of those after you beat the game i do think it works best if you complete it along with the storyline but you can

still do it once the whole game's over yeah all right so i know that we're kind of quickly running out of time here the game does have a basic gear system i mean i don't know that there's much to say you equip things like robes neckwear headwear gloves it's the weakest system in the game to be honest like i know we've been saying how great a lot of things are if we were gonna say hey this is one thing where i felt like they ran out of time or just kind of cut corners the gear system is it you mean a bonus to offense or defense isn't terribly in depth i know along with one little trait yeah it's i i found it to be more of a nuisance because my character often looked like the biggest thumb like like i don't i don't even know what to say he's walking around at times looking like the mad hatter and at other times he looked like from eyes wide shut walking

around with a white mask and red robes like i was like what is going on here they do let you do some transmog stuff so at least you don't have to look that way but i just let my character roll whatever he's wearing that's what i'm gonna look like and he looked like a psychopath at times yeah couldn't couldn't do it couldn't do it i did uh i did a big ravenclaw collection like collection yeah this was a long this is probably like five hours of mine because i didn't do any i didn't do any youtube guides at all that's why like i'm 59 hours and they say oh you can do everything 100 in like 53 hours i'm like yeah if you watch youtube videos like you can't do this in 59 hours you can't do it in 70 hours but i had this robe i was real proud of and every time man i'm

trying like i have never been so proud of ravenclaw and i didn't know what that was before i started this game all right and then i think the last major mechanic that we haven't really covered yet is the room of requirement um without going into all the details basically the game tells you you need a space where you can catch up on assignments and things of that nature and the room of requirement is in the original story stuff that you probably know about so in the room of requirement you can grow herbs brew potions you can add magic traits into your gear and probably most importantly you get your vivarium where you can go capture beasts in the open world bring them back put them in your vivarium that way you can breed them in your own puppy mill of sorts, I guess.

Some people took issue with this. We're pulling them out of nature, and now we're literally breeding them and selling them. We're rescuing them from poachers, though. They were going to be killed. Yeah, but what did you do with your excess ones, Michael? You sold them off, right? No, but I sold them to a rescue shelter that would find them better homes, in my mind. Sure.

Whatever makes you feel better. You guys had a vivarium? Yeah. Well, you get that and you get the extra swamp thing that they had later. I didn't have any of that stuff. I had a TARDIS that kept my animals inside of it. Yeah, that's what I had, because it was enormous on the inside. You walk through this little door, you're like, I'm in a TARDIS.

Sorry, I know what the vivarium is i had three of them yeah it's you basically you can put your beasts in there and then you have to feed them and groom them and then every 30 minutes i think it was they would give you a magical element to put magic into your gear the only thing i will say yeah those those huge bonuses huge bonuses the one thing i did love in there is you could add a toy box and just throw out a giant leather ball. And everyone in your vivarium runs around basically playing soccer. And it really was the cutest thing I've ever seen in a video game.

I had one vivarium that was – I couldn't help it. It was nothing but the little Tribble things. I call them Hufflepuffs, but I know they're not Hufflepuffs. What are they called? The little balls. The things with the big eyes? No, no no little tiny balls of fur they literally it's a tribble it's a little tiny ball it's the first thing you get i yeah it starts with an s i think i don't remember i put the little the little ball out there i've got what you get like 12 spots i got 12 little furry chia pets running around chasing this ball i was dying oh it's so funny

i love it all right i think this is time where we're now going to open up for spoilers so if you want to avoid all spoilers go ahead and jump forward seven minutes and 36 seconds all right uh do you guys want me to go first or do one of you want to go first raising his hands so go ahead michael okay so one of my favorite things in any narrative is when you have a villain who thinks he's the hero and i already can tell you that josh and i have a completely different outlook on sebastian because sebastian's story right his sister ann was cursed long back in the day he's trying to remove the curse uh and to do that he believes he has to gain an understanding of dark magic and yep he learns unforgivables and you as a character actually i'll let josh go into this part because he probably spent more time with the curses than i did or whatever but but

the whole thing was uh you really you end up like you end up doing some pretty bad stuff on accident or on purpose and the thing about sebastian is at what point do you say this has gone too far and as a character for me at that point was before i learned the death curse i learned the two curses before that i didn't learn learn Avada Kedavra. Shame on you. I couldn't get myself to do it as a lawful good character. I was like, okay, I've already learned these curses. But you have no problem casting Crucio on people, Michael? Right, but I didn't feel good about it.

I'm like, I don't know if this is right. That's the difference between me and you. I felt great every time. Well, and I did actually do a lot. That's why I have three different saves going, because one of them I learned that stuff, one of them I didn't. But Michael prefers a nice slow death that he can enjoy.

Yes, you know, let me see the pain. No, that's bad. Anyway, so when you first go into Sebastian's storyline, though, he's got this friend. His best friend is named Ominous. And you think Ominous is this total jerk. Like, he's trying to keep his friend from doing anything. Everything's got to be secret. When really by the end of this quest, I feel like Ominous was more of a hero than Sebastian was because he's trying to keep his friend

from getting himself killed or getting other people killed. I just thought that whole storyline with Sebastian, it really gave you the biggest choice in the game. Even aside from the end of the game, you get a choice at the end of the game. The choice in this one really is, do you want to back up Sebastian or do you want to kind of say,

hey buddy, you're not doing the right thing? Because Sebastian, to me, is a villain who's doing things because he's trying to do good. But as he does good, he is doing very, very bad. I don't know what you guys think about that one. But that's the one thing I had to say about that. Because I love a villain that thinks they're doing the right thing. Like Nero from Star Trek 2009. Probably not the best example in the world,

but he thinks he's doing a good thing, but he's not. He's doing a very bad thing. Well, I mean, he killed his uncle. Yeah, Sebastian goes a little too far. But his uncle attacked him, didn't he? He's trying to save his sister, guys. Let me be the voice of reason for Sebastian and what he went through, guys, okay?

Because I supported Sebastian the entire game. It's just a brother trying to save his Cause I supported Sebastian the entire game. All right. It's just, it's just a brother trying to save his sister. I don't want to get too bogged down in the spoiler stuff. Cause literally we could talk about this game for hours and hours and hours. The one spoiler that I have to bring up because I played this game as an evil character.

And I mentioned at the very beginning of the show, spoiler, you get a quest for your house elf that is taking care of the room of requirement his name is deke and deke says hey and his cute little health elf voice elf voice says i've got my buddy tobs that i've been with forever and his master's a jerk can you please go check on tobs for me he's his master sent him to get spider silk and i'm worried and i went sure i'll do that and then you find out that tobs died by himself in this spider den in a horrible death and i was very sad legitimately i was wrecked i was sad like this quest got me. And then when I got back, you have to tell Deke what happened.

And so I'm like, Deke, Tobbs is dead. And then Deke goes, oh, no, I'm really sad. And then it gives me a dialogue option to say sympathize with Deke or tell Deke to get over it. And I was like, guys, I'm playing an evil wizard. I can't do it. And then then i went i have to do it and i pulled i made myself click the button that said deke get over it you know and i felt the worst i have ever felt in a video game guys oh my goodness i could imagine oh i'm never doing it again i'm calling it right now i do not like being evil in video games man and while it was funny at times i feel i still feel terrible i'm sorry deke i think that it's it the way it's described too because d uh tobs writes a letter

and that's what you find two next to him and the way it's body though yeah that's right but the way it's written is like the big spider was too much for tobs tobs can't breathe very well right now and it's like oh my goodness it is mortifying so the the last thing that i want to say in the spoiler territory is um this game did something with like like i hate button mashing like literally when you're supposed to like uh the end of what was it a way out like when you're crawling towards the gun whoever button mashes fast enough this game did button mashing so perfect because you remember at the end of harry potter the the movies right harry potter when voldemort and harry have like their

wands clashing with each other you know and the two colors are coming together that happens at the end of one of the boss fights in this and i'm like that's exactly what i felt like harry was doing if he had a controller in his hand was just smashing the x button as fast as he can to beat voldemort so when i'm doing that i'm like i gotta beat this bad guy with my smashing this x button as fast as i can i'm like holy cow there was actually a click the button as fast as you can think in a game that actually made sense with the narrative yeah it's rare to enjoy those quick time events like that i'm surprised you guys didn't bring up my favorite quest of

the entire game when you drink the polyjuice potion and become headmaster black oh yes who is seven peg by the way yes and i legitimately laughed out loud multiple times as you are walking around pretending to be Headmaster Black, who's very prickly and loves just insulting everybody. And so you're just walking around basically roasting students like, oh, student, you call those boots polished? And just one of the students are like, I'm so sorry. And they're all making comments to you. You call that a shine on those boots do better and you're just walking around and then you walk into the great hall and you order to change all the banners to whatever house you are so for me it was ravenclaw he goes change all the banners to ravenclaw i shall be taking no questions about

this at this time or ever and And then he just walks off. And I'm like, oh, man, this is hilarious. Attention, students. I hereby decree that the Great Hall be forthwith decorated in the elegant banners of Ravenclaw. I shall be taking no questions at this time or ever. To me, that was so great. The mustache paste, the boil cream, like all the stuff that came out of that was truly funny.

And that feels like ages ago. It's because a lot happens in this game. And I forgot about that until you just mentioned it. The quests and the story in this game are really top notch, man. Like not all of them hit obviously, but just overall, I never felt like I didn't care about what was happening. Yeah,

I totally agree. Okay. So we are done with the spoiler section. So guys, overall, let's just kind of summarize our thoughts here. Overall, what worked and what didn't open world?

Fantastic. We just got to go take turns and say things. Oh, combat was phenomenal. Yeah. I thought the sense of wonder and experiencing Hogwarts as a simulator, it really nailed all that. You feel like you're living the world of a Hogwarts student.

And that's exactly what I was hoping for. Exploration was great. For me, the only thing... There's two things that didn't work for me. The gear system, I was really disappointed in that. I'm not going to lie. It's mostly cosmetic. It was just a burden after a while, dude, because my inventory would get full. They relied on the gear system for all rewards. So if I solved a puzzle or found some really off-the-beaten-path thing or went into a dungeon and beat that and everything else, it was just like, oh, I got another house cloak. I got to destroy another cloak to make room for it.

Yeah, and so it almost became a burden for me at some point where gear in a game should be a lot of fun to acquire. This was almost like, oh, man, not another thing I have to destroy or go sell. The only other thing that I'll say that didn't work for me was that even though the game gave you dialogue choices, your choices do not matter in this game. Not until the very end of the relationship friend quest. Right, right. Especially in regards to the main story, it does not matter anything you say.

None of it matters. One iota. It's just flavor dialogue. It gives you the illusion of choice, but you don't really have the main story does have a good and bad ending though yeah i mean sure but i'm saying the game gives you a ton of choices to make but none of those choices actually matter i mean i'm literally casting the killing curse on people and none of the professors are saying anything i'm fully decked out in dark arts clothing none of the professors are saying anything for a game that did such a

good job at that it felt like this glaring blind spot to me i really thought because i started using um crucio right a lot because it was a lot of fun let Let's just be honest. That was so much fun to cast. The sound it made, the, you know, like this roar of like power. Wow. That just sounded really bad. But yeah, I really thought that at the end, like Fig was going to be like, hey, people are saying you're using these powers and it just never happened. That's what would take this game into upper echelon yeah is if they built in a witcher or mass effect kind of morality system that incorporated it more i

think it would have taken it up a notch uh i totally agree with with those critiques also the day night cycle didn't work for me like having to go around and collect the demiguises at night seemed like more of a nuisance yeah the only time I would ever switch to night is when my character would say, oh, Demi guys, I've got you now. And I'd be like, all right, I guess I got to go tonight. So that part I didn't care about. And lock picking. It really got old fast. Yeah.

I love when games give you a little mini game for something. But this one missed the mark after two times of talking yeah like the first two times were challenging and then i'm like okay now i'm just getting through this as fast as i can uh one last thing about choice is also not really mattering your choice of house barely matters it switches one mission for how you meet jackdaw and it does change the cosmetics of your room because of where you're staying i do wish there was a little more built into that maybe where you get completely different quests like not just one but several that way you feel like your house

matters a little bit more um but honestly the fact that we're complaining about those things kind of tells you overall yeah the game works pretty well we're not complaining just let me play the game like forespoken i mean just let me play that's all i want to do i think that house pack would be an excellent dlc which they're not going to do but that would be a great idea like add that in as a dlc like okay we got house missions now i can't believe we're not getting any dlc for this game it is so ripe you get more in this world i bet you were getting dlc they say but i do money talks man we're getting dlc for hogwarts that or hogwarts legacy 2 one or one or the other all right so time to bring back our newest segment we've only done this once before. Time for some hot takes.

Michael, you want to hit us with your hot take first? Now I don't think it's really a hot take. Like, I thought it was a hot take until we talked about it for 20 minutes earlier in the episode. But this, in regards to design, and I'll give more details on it, is perhaps the most robust open world I have ever seen. And let me explain why I'm saying like in the design piece of it specifically. You can go into any building in this game, any building anywhere, you can go inside of it. That alone is rare. But when you go inside these buildings, there is not a single one that is a cookie cutter from another one. You go inside of every single house in every single hamlet, and it's got different pictures

on the wall, different shoes, different coat hangers, different people doing different things. None of it's the same. I have never seen a game put that much effort into making sure that you can go anywhere in a game and make it not like Skyrim, where you see one dungeon, you've seen every single one of them. And so I think that as far as I think this is the most well-designed open world I have ever seen. My hot takes pretty close to yours, Michael, so I'll go next. I wrote down Hogwarts Legacy is the most fun RPG to come out since Dragon Age Inquisition. I think Dragon Age Inquisition is a far better game. It's longer, it's more complex, the combat's better, the morality system is far

better. But this game feels like Dragon Age Inquisition Jr. It's got the same DNA at its core. You're even running around clearing astronomy, constellation things. All that is exactly in Dragon Age Inquisition. It's just a little easier and it's a lot shorter. I found it to be utterly delightful. This is just a stripped back, completely fun, maxed out to the absolute far as you can go kind of RPG. Absolutely love it. What about you, Josh?

Oh, man. My hot take's going to seem really weird now. Uh-oh. love it what about you josh oh man my hot takes gonna seem really weird now um so my hot take is that the world in hogwarts legacy is one of the most beautiful finely crafted worlds that i have seen in a video game guys we did we did not know that each other had picked this and this is my hot take because i felt like this was pretty bold to say especially for a guy that loves rpgs but michael touched on it nothing is reused dude dude this game has dungeons i don't even know how many dungeons it's got right you know how many dungeons were the same zero none of them they were all so unique, dude. Like everything was like that. There was no reusing assets.

Every house was different. Every dungeon was different. Everything was handcrafted. And I'll tell you what, guys, because I got to tell the story real quick, but I'll be fast. In the sequence where you get your hippogriff, that's not a spoiler because they show it in the previews. You get a hippogriff and there's this whole quest in the sequence. Dude, I spent so much time just flying around because it plays this really nice music it was one of the coolest most magical moments dude i flew up over hogwarts and sat there hovering

and literally watched the sunset over hogwarts i have never done that in a video game. Because who does that? Guess what? I did. Because this game demanded it. It was like I had to experience that. And that just tells you that there's a magic here that is hard to describe. You have to experience it to really get it. But it's funny that all three of us had almost the exact same hot take.

It should tell you a lot about what's going on. Yeah, I funny that all three of us had almost the exact same hot take. It should tell you a lot about what's going on. Yeah, I forgot that hippogriff. I felt triumphant. And the music did not hurt. It was very well done. The music in the whole game is really well done, where it's not the original Harry Potter themes, but it plays off it. It's very reminiscent of the original score. And I think that also leads to a lot of credibility in the world and how it feels. It's automatically baked in because of the music. All right. Well, we've shared some of our thoughts. Josh, you've got a couple of community reviews to read. I do. We always pull some community reviews just so people that are

listening aren't swayed by just our thoughts on a game. We like to let people know, hey, here's some of the negative things people have said about it. Here's some of the positive things people have said about it. They should just go by us. That's all you need. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest. But we like to give a broader perspective here. Okay, so this first one is not recommended. This is 64 hours on record.

And it says, first of all, I really like the game up until the end. Finish the campaign and most of the other stuff. 97% completion. The soundtrack and feeling you get is very nice. The artwork is amazing. I have stuttering issues, but it was playable. It might be my PC. It's a little bit older.

The thing that actually made me sad is the feeling that none of my decisions mattered. Whatever I said, whenever I pushed for the dark side, in the end, I'm the hero. Neither the ending nor anything else apart from maybe learning the three unforgivables feels like it's up to your choice. Being rude to NPCs, extorting them, betraying quest givers, nothing happens. Apart from maybe a different voice line, but then everything is just back to normal. I literally chose to take the powers. I used all the unforgivable curses. Nobody cared. I was still the powers. I used all the unforgivable curses. Nobody cared.

I was still the hero. Yay. To be fair, the same thing happens in Harry Potter. Harry's running around using unforgivable curses and nobody really cares. So that is somewhat baked into the IP of Harry Potter. But I totally agree. I completely understand those criticisms. To me, it didn't pull down the whole game, but it really would would have been nice it was one of the few glaring issues yes you know i felt like so okay and this next one is recommended 110 hours on record finally something that isn't a

half-baked live service micro transaction infested disaster at launch right you're right you're right refreshing was it to play hogwarts legacy guys did you guys get any bugs the only bug i got was that my house cape sometimes would flutter forward a little bit or something weird where it would clip through my character's legs that's it this game's done yeah the only thing that i had was uh twice two times only i noticed that like a dragonfly or a bee a group of dragonflies or bees were just like floating and they weren't flapping wings they were just kind of stuck in the environment for a second that was it you know how small of a bug that is yeah yeah it ran rather well it did yep um okay so different platforms too i was on ps5 you guys were on pc we both had

the same experience yeah yeah um this next one is not recommended 24 hours on record this is just some stupid fan service game with uh half-baked rpg features it's nothing compared to the witcher 3 zelda breath of the wild skyrim or elden ring if you're looking for an rpg this ain't it if you want a movie where you control a witch with a great with great graphics then this is it it's boring with mundane repetitive, and the map is small compared to the likes of other more ambitious role-playing games. This game is overhyped by Harry Potter fanboys who don't know a good game if it bit them in the butt.

What game do they think they were buying? I don't know. They don't claim to be The Witcher 3. No one said this game's The Witcher 3. I don't know who goes into it thinking that this is going to be the witcher three no one said this game's the witcher three i don't know who goes into it thinking that this is gonna be you know that i but you know hey this guy was disappointed that the the point of this one i think is that there are rpg elements but this is not what i would dictate as a hardcore rpg the game system doesn't matter yeah exactly but i think maybe somebody thought this is harry RPG. I don't know.

All right. And then this last one is recommended 128 hours on record. This is easily one of the best games I have played in years. The attention to detail is immaculate and the sense of fun and progression is well-tuned. The other thing is that not one of my many quests glitched, which is something familiar with this kind of game. Forget any controversy about the game. If you enjoy gaming and you want fantasy and a good storyline then do yourself a favor and play this game agreed slash agree all right guys um so that is what some of the reviews were as we always do we now play a little game where we try to guess the overall rating for Hogwarts Legacy. This is based on Steam reviews on the scale of 0 to 100. Paula, I think you're like the three-time champion right now, aren't you?

Did I win this three times in a row? I think you did. Was that me? You're going first. You ain't winning this time, buddy. I'm on a streak. All right. So I think politics aside, controversy aside, this game I think would be in the high 90s. I have no doubt that there's some review bombing bringing it down a bit, but you're talking over 10 million sales in the first week. I think it's going to be very positive. I'm going to say 93%. What about you, Michael? I am much higher.

I don't think that there's enough people compared to... I don't think that... I think with how many people bought this game and played it and loved it, that it's going to... There's not enough review bombing that would really be capable of bringing it down too low, I think. I want to say 97%. I know it's real high. My guess was 94%.

And then when I looked up the actual rating, I got really happy because I was like, I'm finally going to beat Paul. Because it's dead on. And I freaking didn't do it because Paul guessed it exactly. It's 93% Paul. Oh, man. I don't...

Are we allowed to just say Paul can't play anymore, Michael? Is that a... Is that a thing? Mercy rule? Mercy rule. If I win 10 in a row, I can't play. Well, we're complaining because he's too good he's too good you know what no no because my friends never told me that i wasn't allowed to play golden eye anymore so now

he can continue to play okay all right not to get not to get sidetracked but i love that michael revealed playing rockets i was gonna troll michael all his crazy modes in golden eye we played pistols license to kill that's what we played that's what we played and sometimes slappers only because it was hilarious so it was only was great all right let's go ahead and move into our next segment but man i just i keep getting to lead these every time let's go ahead and hit that music hey there professor garlic i wish i were cross-eyed so i could see you twice i think you've used that one before paul you need to let somebody else win sometimes because i i had a great one for you sure garlic are you sure i've said that oh i'm sure you have i think it was like three episodes ago but look i met my wife when i was 16 at least you picked my favorite professor

paul all right fair enough what what was your line gonna be josh oh i'm not gonna say now because it's oh you're gonna save it well i just don't know if it's appropriate for was professor garlic the herbology professor yeah yeah the one that looked about 18 years old right when josh josh might have made a comment about her early and i was like she's a professor leonardo dicaprio going on okay is she wait hold on are we gonna have a hogwarts professor as a smoke show 2023 nominee uh from josh probably he's shaking his head yes what nobody can see anything he's a fan what are you talking about all right so this segment is called make Love, Marry, or Murder.

All three of us give this game our individual rating. Is this game marriage material? Is it make love, hit it, and quit it? Or is it murder material where you should not pick it up and we do not recommend playing it? I think this one's going to be a triple marry. I'm just guessing. It's absolutely a marry for me. I think everyone should go out and play this game i think it's got its flaws but i think the things

that it hits on well are incredibly well done i feel like this game has all the charm of breath of the wild but it has more challenging combat with a more interesting story i feel like it's kind of that halfway point between a Zelda game and maybe something like a dragon age or a mass effect. It's kind of like the midway between both. This game did something that I didn't think was possible. I feel things. I am.

It made me feel, I am currently watching the Harry Potter movies again. I am like this game took something that i i appreciated it because i love fantasy like i love stuff like that i love you know wizards and witches and dragons and stuff like that i just thought you know it's kids stuff you know and by doing all these stupid field guide pages and learning about this world i'm like this is a really deep and robust universe that i want to learn more about i kind of want to read the books now i'm not even kidding like and for a video game to do that to make me really care about a villain that fails at taking over a high school

like take that emperor palpatine um like the whole thing is like that's incredible that this game did that the lore is so fresh it's it's so rich and i had an absolute blast with it and i get that it doesn't have that rpg element that would have made this game like if it had that rpg element and your choices mattered you'd have a hard time getting me down from top two or three with this game if that was in there you'd have a hard time i would die on that hill but i would say that that this is a very high mary because this game is so rich i i never did not want to play this game at every moment i was like i can't wait to get done with what i'm doing with real life because i want to play this game right now and i love that what about you josh easy easy mary for me. I'll be honest. This is one of the best games that I've played in a while.

It caught me off guard. The beginning of the game really sucked me in. It never let up after that. I was legitimately surprised. We talked about Hogwarts might flop, man. This game might not be that great. And then it wound up being way better than I ever thought it would be, to be honest with you. It has very few flaws. And everything it does, it does really, really well, in my opinion, with a couple just stupid things that really don't matter, like the gear you know um so for me it caught it was a absolute banger of a game a huge pleasant surprise i want to go back and play it and and that's like i don't say this often but like this is one of those games where i actually told like

my wife like i wish we didn't have to cover so many games for the podcast because this is a game that i would literally just spend the next month or two exploring and playing and having fun. And just, I don't need another game. I don't need to buy another game because I'm happy playing this one. And for most people that know how much I bounce around games, that is saying an awful lot. It's one of the biggest compliments I can give a game when it can hold my attention for that long. So easy, Mary, from me as well. You want to... real quick, I'll just add on to that. Something that if you do, I did the math today and I'm like, this is disgusting math. I played this game for 10 days. I have 59 hours. That is 5.9 hours a day I played this game. Full-time job.

Legitimately. I'm half embarrassed, but so many nights i was up way too late and i was dragging at work the next day because of a video game i don't think i've done that since everquest wow i was shocked when you said guys i think i'm gonna try to 100 this game before we record and i was like there's no way that's happening i'm close i'm real close yeah you're you're one step away from the finish line i can't find one set of balloons i'm so frustrated and i i didn't start breeding the animals early enough so i have to go in and save because you have to breed all 12 the cool down timer on yeah reading i didn't because i didn't see that one all right well we have just one segment left let's go to the leaderboard and

see where this game stacks up. Okay, so if anyone's new to the show, we have an overall leaderboard, which you can go see at our website, which is multiplayerpodcast.com. Every game we've done a deep dive, we decide to rank against every other game that we've ever covered. So if you want to see like what games we recommend or what we think we stack them all up against each other yes we are trying to compare apples to oranges that is part of the fun we do bake some things into our decision like price your bang for your buck how important it is to play the game things of that nature so to give you a couple of markers here on our leaderboard we've got some stuff like disco elysium at number five apex legends at number eight elden ring at 14 uh hollow knight at 27 rainbow six siege at 36

so on and so forth all the way down at the bottom we've got some things like uh the forest halo reach hood outlaws and legends overcooked to josh's personal favorite game of all time and uh now we gotta decide where to put hogwarts legacy so being a triple mary we know it's gonna be kind of near the top do you guys see it cracking the top 15 or top 10 or are we looking lower than that i hear i have a number in mind that is the perfect spot in my opinion do we just let him say it well you started talking to michael oh no no well actually it might it might be better if i do say this first because i have a really hard time with this one for one reason number seven on the leaderboard is rust right eight apex legends nine rocket

lead 10 valheim 11 satisfactory 12 outriders david richardson 2 i have not played any of those games wow you were really missing out michael i know great i i know but that's the hard part is because in my head i'm like this game has to be top 10 but i can't argue against any other reason why you know what i mean so that's why it's like it almost feels better that i said that before you said your number what's your number my number is 15 on the dot i think it i think this game belongs one behind elden ring in my opinion so you got it below satisfactory outriders dos 2 and elden ring but above hearthstone call of duty war zone grand theft auto online and halo infinite yeah i mean

for me that's i think that's exactly where i was going to suggest putting it. Well, I was thinking more XIII. I would actually have it jump Elden Ring and Divinity Original Sin 2. I would still keep it below Outriders. I love DOS 2 so much, and I love Elden Ring so much. But that is how much this is saying, because Hogwarts Legacy is really close to both of those games in my mind. It's just slightly below it is the issue for me. Then I think it's going to split and it's going to be at 14 because, Josh, you said 15. Paul, you said 13.

I would rather play this 100 times out of 100 over Elden Ring. And so I think it's going to be at 14 because it's right in between yours. And I'm happy. Yeah, that's fine see this is where it's hard to rank games because if you want really complex combat DOS 2 is 100% for you if you want a 30 minute fight to make eight actions like that's what the game provides and it does it so incredibly well but to me that can sometimes feel a little bit like work hogwarts legacy is a far more casual game than dos 2 or elden ring so we're not necessarily saying that it's like

technically better but maybe it's what we prefer so okay so we'll split the difference we'll put it in at 14 keeping it below divinity original sin 2 but above elden ring that's high high praise there's very high praise there's going to be a lot of people that are going to say you put it above Elden Ring. I think it deserves it. But here's the counterpoint to that. I put it below Elden Ring. But if you go on the internet right now,

there is already talk about how this game is better than last year's Elden Ring or whenever. I think it was last year for Elden Ring, right? Yeah, that was last year. Am I years right? Yeah, think it was last year for Elden Ring, right? Yeah. I got my ears right. Yeah. And so this debate is already being waged online on the Internet right now about which game is better. And so that tells you that these two are very close together in the quality of game that they are. Now, they're two vastly different games.

Obviously, we get that. But what a surprise. All right. Well, we'll lock that in on the a surprise. All right. Well, we'll lock that in on the leaderboard and any closing thoughts, anything we left out that we want to say on the deep dive? I think we did a pretty good job. This episode wasn't two hours. You.

Yeah. So much to cover. Open world games. Paul said this is going to be an hour and a half episode. I went, no way. We can keep it to like an hour and five minutes. Yeah. And here we are. A an hour and five minutes. Yeah. And here we are, 122 minutes in.

Yeah. An hour ago, Josh sent a message that says, pacing is fantastic so far. Yeah. That's until we got to like some of the stories and quests and combat and all that other stuff. It's just so much to tackle. All right. Well, I think that wraps everything up for this deep dive we do want to say thank you to everyone for listening to this

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