Video Gamers Podcast - Juicy Jedi: Survivor Deep Dive - Gaming Podcast

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

Gaming Jedi Paul, Josh and Ryan are here with our much anticipated Jedi: Survivor Deep Dive. Is this the honored sequel to the gaming hit Jedi: Fallen Order or has it turned to the dark side and let us down? We cover all the gaming aspects you’d want to know about Jedi: Survivor from a true gamers perspective, plus rank it and then see where it lands on our video game leaderboard.  Game covered: Jedi Survivor Thanks to our LEGENDARY supporters: Skippy, Kiitaclyzm, Gideon Is Lit, Toro, Scrump, Gaius, Remi, MarbleMadness, Dr. Catatonic, Blackstar (DQ), Glapsuidir, Phelps, Michele B, Redletter, Nevo, Waynerman, TFolls, AceofShame, Jake, RangerMiller, and Ad Connect with the show: Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/multiplayerpodcast Join our Gaming Discord: https://discord.gg/Dsx2rgEEbz Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/multiplayerpod/ Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/MultiplayerPod Subscribe to us on YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCU12YOMnAQwqFZEdfXv9c3Q  Visit us on the web: multiplayerpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

may the force be with you welcome to the multiplayer gaming podcast today we are going to be doing a deep dive of respawn entertainment's star wars jedi survivor i am your host paul and joining me he's known as the Jar Jar Binks of the podcast. It's Josh. I hate you, Paul, so much. Dude, we had a conversation. You said you wanted to be a Sith. And arguably, Darth Jar Jar.

Yeah, okay. So for everybody that's listening, we had a conversation right before recording. And Paul said, Josh, I'm not sure you're going to like how I intro you. And I said, if you intro me as anything other than a Sith, I'm going to be mad. And then the second Jar Jar, I just rolled my eyes. And well done, Paul. Well done. We've got some fan fiction where he's a Sith. All right. And then joining me and Josh, don't call him a Padawan or a guest host, because he's now here to stay.

He's been given the rank of Jedi Master or Permanent Host. It's Ryan. Hello, everybody. Thank you. Thank you very much. Ryan, we're very excited to have you here as a Permanent Third here with me and Josh. We really love having a third person on the show. Guest hosting's been a ton of fun, but we thought, why not put a ring on that finger

and make it official? That's a merry there. Oh, there you go. Now, Ryan, Sith or Jedi is the question. Oh, Sith. All right, good. The Empire did nothing wrong. They're just trying to bring peace to the galaxy, guys.

Yeah, absolutely. They did do that. All right. So we do have a little bit of housekeeping here before we jump into our deep dive. You guys know what my favorite thing on this show is. That's introducing new Patreon supporters. And oh boy, we got one here this week because someone signed up with legendary status. So we want to give a very special thank you to Skippy.

Skippy! Thank you, Skippy. Skippy! Thank you, Skippy. Thank you. Skippy has picked their legendary game already, too, which I am actually pretty pumped for. So maybe we won't spoil it just yet, but it is a game that we did cover on a Twig episode and is a game that I have a lot of interest in.

And it's a brand new release, which is fun. It is a brand new release. So that will be fun. Yes. Keep it was on top of it. Absolutely. And we do also want to give a thank you to current legendary supporters, red letter and criticalism along with Epic supporters,

ace of shame, Casman, Michael, the Butler, Yoda, Papa, Thunderfist, Remilia,

and a master Wayne. Oh, one. Obviously we can only do this show because of you guys. So thank you very much for your support. And then, Josh, I believe you have a review. Someone left the show that you want to read? I love reviews so much.

And anytime you leave us a review, I love you too. And this review comes in from the legendary Marble Madness. And it is titled, definitely not overrated, five stars. And it says, hands down, this is the best video game podcast out there. I've heard other gaming podcasts where everything they say is F this and F that, and it just sounds trashy.

Paul and Josh, and now Ryan, are able to speak passionately and informatively about gaming while keeping it family friendly. They always do an amazing job of breaking down the latest games and gaming news, but they also answer the tough questions like, are the Beatles overrated? Are waffles or pancakes the better breakfast food? Is Katana one word or two? Is Pokemon a video game? What are you waiting for?

Start listening to this podcast now. Now it's time to find out if Josh is like Ron Burgundy in front of a teleprompter. Elite, Dangerous, and Forspoken are phenomenal games. Waffles are better than pancakes. Stardew Valley is better than Outer Wilds. My name is Josh, and I approve this message. Stay classy, fellow gamers. Now, Marvel Madness's real name is actually Josh.

So just to clarify that wasn't like me leaving a review or anything either so oh i love it i'm ron burgundy who typed a question mark on the teleprompter oh thank you so much marble madness obviously thank you for being a legendary supporter thank you for leaving a review we love when you guys leave reviews it helps other people find the show it's a huge help so if you haven't left one already please do so or if you're using spotify make sure to click on five stars and make sure to hit that follow button that way you guys don't miss any episodes that we release all right well i think we're done by way of housekeeping let's optimize our game files for a full 60 seconds and deep

dive star wars jedi survivor Let's optimize our game files for a full 60 seconds and deep dive Star Wars Jedi Survivor. All right, guys, here's a description of the first and continues the adventure of young Jedi Knight Cal Kestis as he and his friends continue in their struggle to survive the tyranny of the Galactic Empire. All right, and we always give a little bit of a spoiler warning here at the beginning of the show. We are not going to dive into major story spoilers. We're not going to talk about any twists or turns that there may or may not be in the story of this game. However, we are going to talk about the skills and the abilities that you unlock, because in order for us to talk about combat and the mechanics of the game, we are going to have to get into some of those things. But for the most part, this is going to be free

of any major spoilers. All right, so as we go back to the first game, Fallen Order, which by the way, sold over 10 million copies. I mean, enormous, enormous hit. I know I bought the game about a year, year and a half after its release. I know Josh had really loved it. I played it for a couple hours, but just never finished it. We had so many games to play for the pod. It just kind of got brushed to the side. I believe both of you were huge fans of fallen order can you guys just tell us a little bit about why you found the first game to be so special oh man i absolutely loved the first one um i i'm uh as far as me i i love origin stories i'm an origin story guy um the the original the Batman, you know, where he becomes Batman.

Every Batman movie. You ever dance with the death by the pale moonlight? And then Superman with the beautiful Henry Cavill, who is a mega gamer, by the way. Yeah. Future guest of the show. Yeah. We're waiting for you, buddy. I just love the origin story.

So I love how seeing Cal's kind of beginnings, where he started, how he was hiding from the Empire, what he was doing to keep hidden, and then how he progressed. And you get to go back and see him as a young Padawan and learning the ways of the Force. And then all the – I love the worlds, the areas you could explore. And then you learn the new abilities, the upgrades. You get to go back and then unlock different areas that you weren't able to access before. It was just one of those games that really hit a lot of my trigger points for what I find desirable in a game.

And it just – it was one that, again, I know I say this a lot, but I put a lot of hours in. What about you, Josh? I mean, I've been the one that's been hyping up Jedi Fallen Order for a long time. I've recommended it to people. For me, that game caught me off guard because I had heard of it. I didn't play it at release.

I went, man, here's a Star Wars game I should probably look into. And it just really landed for me. I loved the graphics. I love the combat. It felt like I was actually fighting with a lightsaber. I liked that it was kind of Dark Souls-ish in that regard. I liked the exploration aspect of, hey, man, what's back behind this corner? And then, oh, yeah, there is a chest back there.

That's great. So you were rewarded for exploring. I like the progression through the game. You really felt like you were this untrained Jedi that is learning the force and getting stronger. And so by the end of the game, you really feel like you're just, man, I'm tough and I'm bad. Better not mess with me. I have talked about the ending to that game. I won't spoil it here just in case, but it's got one of the coolest video game moments in a video game ever. So Jedi Fallen Order just landed with me in so many

different ways. And so when Jedi Survivor was announced, I got really excited. And then the game release is finally here after some delays. And I was so amped to just dive into Jedi Survivor. And don't forget, that's where we first met Maren. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Do you know what? This sounds terrible, but I forgot who Maren was. I actually had to... Well, it had been a long time since I played Fallen Order, but then there's Maren in the sequel, in Survivor. And I went, wait, who is this lady? And I had to Google Maren Jedi Fallen Order.

And then the second they showed a picture of her, I was like, oh, okay. And then a lot of the story kind of came flooding back to me at that point. Yeah. Maren is going to feature a lot in this episode. Yeah, this game is definitely a direct sequel. So that was one of the things that for me was kind of disorienting and tough to catch up on, because I only played the opening couple hours of Fallen Order. And in Jedi Survivor, they do give you a little video you can watch to catch you up on the story. And let me just tell you right now, if you have not played

the first game, that video will not do you any good because I still had no idea who anyone was throughout the entirety of this game. They're always making reference to things that happened in the past. I think, I think you're setting yourself up for a lot more success if you play fallen order first and then come play Jedi survivor. All right. So I know how much you guys love Fallen

Order. I know for all of us, this is like near the top of the most anticipated titles of the year. I know we featured it when we did a preview of all of 2023 and what we were most looking forward to. But for anyone who's maybe never played either of these games, we've already thrown out some details about it. But Ryan, how would you the star wars jedi games to someone who has not played them i guess the way to describe it is it's a semi-open world you can you start out you get to kind of progress through the different levels you get to go to you through the different worlds and you get to go through and it has you semi on a guided path but you can explore you can and then you're able to as you progress come back to the world you get you're able to get to

different areas that you weren't able to get to before and uh and find new chests find new uh cosmetics new abilities new stem packs things to help you with actual combat or just for you know cosmetics and the way you look um i i loved it i i thought that uh that anyone who appreciates that type of game would uh would like this one it does just enough to keep it fresh throughout these different worlds when you unlock these other things um but it but it still has what you love in the game that that continues through each one of the worlds yeah i would definitely say you could put it under the action adventure genre even though it does have souls type mechanics it's not a punishing difficulty level with these games it it's souls like in the fact that there are areas that you complete and then you unlock a shortcut.

And anytime you save, it respawns all the enemies around you. So in a way, it is a little bit Souls-lite, but it is set in that semi-open Star Wars world, which is obviously a ton of fun. Josh, talking about the story of Star Wars Jedi, this timeline takes place in between the original OG trilogy and the prequels, right? Yep. Yep. That's exactly right. Order 66 has been executed by Emperor Palpatine. They are hunting down the Jedi. Fallen Order starts with, you know, you're in hiding as Cal Kestis and you, you know, nobody knows you have the Force. That game starts off right away with you having to use the Force to save a friend. So it kind of kicks off the whole events of Fallen Order. But yeah, that's smack where we're at with Star Wars lore. The Empire is as strong as they've

ever been. All the Jedi have been eliminated or are in hiding. The Rebellion is just really a thought at this point. For all you Star Wars nerds, there are some of these pockets with Saul Guerrero and things like that. He's actually mentioned in Jedi Survivor as well. But that is the timeline. It's a bleak galaxy. Not a good time for the Jedi. Yeah, it's not. It's not., you kind of play from that aspect of like, you know, you do a lot of fighting of the Empire, but you're fighting stormtroopers and not the really strong people in that. In Fallen Order, you do fight some of the second sister, the sisters, which are like the female Sith and stuff like that. But yeah, that's basically Jedi Survivor takes place five years after Fallen Order.

So really, the Empire is even stronger now. And there's no such thing as the rebellion at that point, really. Yeah, the Empire is stronger. Cal is stronger. And he's kind of got his little rag team running together, doing what they can do to fight against the Empire. And the story just kind of goes from there. We don't want to divulge too many details there. That's pretty much all you need to know. Now, let's go into some of the combat here.

And I think one of the things that is really neat about both Fallen Order and Survivor, and Survivor does it even more, is the fact that you do go into different stances, which will directly impact what kind of combat you have in the game. Every stance that you can choose between have different meters, and it changes the amount of power, speed, range, or defense that you have. Now, back in Fallen Order, you only had a total of three stances that you could choose between. You could do a single lightsaber, you could do a double-bladed saber, kind of think like Darth Maul's two-sided lightsaber,

or you could do dual sabers. All three of those stances do return for a survivor, but they do also add two new stances. So there's now five. They added a crossguard stance, think Kylo Ren's cross-shaped saber, and they also added a blaster stance where you can shoot a blaster which consumes ammo and then you recharge your ammo by landing hits with your lightsaber as melee uh don't think too hard about the science behind that last one i was a little curious to know what you guys thought about this stance system because i actually think it's really neat and adds a really interesting wrinkle to the combat. And that's kind of like overall, it's going to drive what your combat is going to be like. Yeah. I like Souls combat. For me, giving me the more control over the character, my attacks, the fact that you need to either dodge or parry and you can't just

button mash nonstop. I like that. I think it adds a layer of strategy, timing, that kind of stuff that I really enjoy. So for them to add these stances to the game and lightsabers, right? That was kind of the neat thing is like, hey, you get a blaster in Jedi Survivor, or you get a cross guard with a la... Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren. Thank you. I was going to call him Darth something. I was like, wait a minute. That's not his name. Darth Kylo. Yeah. Darth Kylo. Oh man. Sorry, fellow Star Wars nerds. You're going to hear about that one. Yeah, I know. Right. So I thought that was really neat. I'm like, oh, we're going to get a wider variety of lightsabers that we can

use. How's the blaster going to work in this game? I really did like the flavor that it added to the game in that regard. I found that I would go down one branch because there are skill trees associated with the lightsabers. I would go down one branch and then I would be like, I want to try this one. And then I would just switch and force myself to use another stance for a while. And I tried that for all of them with the exception of the blaster, which I found to be personally very disappointing. It's so uncivilized. What was your beef with the blaster build? It just didn't feel satisfying to me, man.

Like, I'm a Jedi. I don't want to pew-pew things. You want to be luke not han solo right yeah exactly yeah what about you ryan do you feel like the stances make some interesting combat in these yeah no i i thought it was great um i'm probably the same way with the blaster it's uh like i said so uncivilized so uncivilized yes uh yeah i just didn't i i would have it on there sometimes just uh you know for boss fights you can go and you know pop them get get their shield down a little bit or whatever but um i i was a i was a darth maul double saber guy um for sure most most of the most of the game but i did the cool thing was you're able to uh the talent tree. And it was free the first time.

Then I think it cost you a skill point or whatever after that. But you were able to reset it, go through, change what you wanted, and try all those variations and see what fit your play style. I appreciate the Souls style, just roll, roll, roll, and parry and do that stuff, but I'm an impatient gamer, so I tend to just... I want to get through this guy and I just want to kick his butt.

So I tend to just go with the double one, but it is cool to have those options and those variants that you could gear towards what you like to do within the game, which I thought was pretty neat yeah i also really love the fact that they added dismemberment in this game that was such a good addition man yes i want to say there's a spot there was this one point where i made sure

to make a note on jetta you go and you slice both arms and you throw the saber and then bring it back to you and it cuts off the legs of the droid and i just thought it was it was i just i love when games make you just go oh you know like that and that's what i did it a bunch of times through this game because there's so many cool points but but that was one the dismemberment you know on droids or on you know stormtroopers that that really hit with me it's kind of goofy that they didn't have it in the first game because i did read that they wanted it to be a little more family friendly they wanted the game rate to be rated teen so they just cut out all dismemberment meanwhile in the star wars

movies people do lose their limbs from lightsabers you know luke gets his hand chopped off and probably the most famous scene in the og trilogy you. So it is funny that they finally added it here in Survivor, but it does add a little bit of that visceral content, which is how a lightsaber would respond in real life. And I felt like that added definitely an extra dimension. It definitely made the combat more fun to watch. I don't know about you guys, but I think that this game really nailed the lightsaber combat. I think the melee side of things in this game is just about perfect. The blocking meters that you have to work through,

if you time a block perfectly, it's a parry and you get that opening to attack the enemy. I totally agree with what you said, Ryan, where I'm a little too impatient for souls where you're rolling all the time. This, I think, finds that right spot in the pendulum where you can't be reckless but you can still be aggressive and have a lot of fun at the same time as long as you don't go with the cross guard saber which is wildly slow yeah and that's kind of the thing right is it's like i like the fact that if you want speed go with either the

dual wielding or the like the the double saber like Darth Maul has. And then you can just wade into things, which is great. But on the flip side, you can go single saber, which is very, very balanced, or the cross guard, which is super slow, but hits kind of like a truck at the same time and has a lot of defense to it. And so it's like you can really adjust the combat style that you want to play in this game, which I think is a really good choice by them. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back with more Multiplayer Gaming Podcast.

Okay, we are back. So continuing our conversation here about the combat in Jedi Survivor. Obviously, since you are a Jedi, the force is going to play a central role in how you fight enemies. You can do things like push enemies off ledges. You can confuse the mind of an enemy or a beast, make them fight on your side. You can even slow down time with an area of effect around you and kind of go ham for a few seconds. There's also attacks that you can do that are not just swinging your lightsaber but it's like a special attack and that'll also drain some force out of your meter um i don't know about

you guys i i felt like the lightsaber abilities were a lot of fun i felt like the force only abilities were maybe just lacking slightly although i will say anytime i saw an enemy near a ledge i got very excited because the very first thing I'm going to do is pull that trigger and send that stormtrooper blasting off a ledge. Yeah, I'm with you, Paul. This is funny to me too, because you are a trained powerful Jedi in this game. And I found that I was just waiting in with my lightsaber 95% of the time and rarely using the force in combat. Now you do have force moves, so you can do a big overhead smash or a lunge or something like that that does consume some of your force meters, like a special move. It's not like an ultimate or anything. It's just a, you know, they call it like a force move and

it's like, okay, well it drains a small small bit but then you have your actual force abilities like the time slow or the the jedi mind tricks or the push or the pull or any of that stuff and it's odd to me because i found i didn't really use those in combat very much i almost never use them i want i want a little they do give you the opportunity to pick up certain items and throw them at people but i want to see that a little bit more i want it to be like and i know it's a it's probably the worst star wars movie but attack of the clones when you get to the end when you have yoda fighting dooku they're like grabbing rocks and hurling them at each other and pulling things down off the ceiling you don't really get to do any of that here. I'm like you, Josh.

I, 98% of my combat was solely using my lightsaber. I was very rarely using push or pull or even mind control. If there was like a big fight, they clearly want you to use it. There's like one beast and eight stormtroopers. Of course, I'm gonna confuse the beast and start picking them off one by one. But I do wish that there was maybe just a little bit more force use i wonder if they were afraid

of giving you too much too soon maybe we'll see that in the next entry that's maybe that's one thing i'm hoping for what about you ryan were you using the force a lot like maybe i just don't know why i didn't use it very much i i didn't i i used the the double bladed saber so there was one move where you kind of do this whirlwind turp you know you jump forward and spin and i i used that quite a bit just because it was so easy to use and it worked well with just button mashing the saber but other than that no i i really didn't use much uh unless of course i saw a bunch of stormtroopers by a cliff. Yeah, that is satisfying as anything, man. I would go out of my way to draw as many as I could to the edge of the cliff, jump, and then get behind them,

and then push as many as I could at once off and see how many I could get to just fly off. That and then quite a bit I would love to, if I came into an interaction with a bunch of guys, I love to do the force pull and just saber right to the chest. Yeah. Those two were like, that was basically the extent of my force use in the game. But I had a lot of fun doing it.

But yeah, other than that, it was the same as you guys, just coming in with the saber and just going to town. I mean, lightsabers are just so cool. It's really hard to make anything compete with a lightsaber because if I can reflect blaster shots back at stormtroopers and kill them and then do the mega charge, I always use the single lightsaber. When I look at the four meters and they're all right in the middle,

I'm like, all right, that's going to work for the whole game. I'm a creature of habit. When I already was used to the moves for single blade, I did dabble in the others just for the fun of it, but I always found myself coming back to single lightsaber. All good on you for being a traditionalist because I went single saber

for a good 85% of the game. It was just so good. It was so good. Not only that, but accurate it was so good well i mean not only that but because it was so balanced it i just found like it was great in so many aspects like the dual sabers super fast and quick but they hit like spaghetti noodles now here's one thing and i'm not trying to slam this too much but i do have to kind of point out that it's like how is a cross guard bigger lightsaber more deadly than two little lightsabers because the cross guard

hits really really hard and the little lightsabers hit like spaghetti noodles but it's a freaking lightsaber man like how is that like i don't cut through maybe i don't understand how like lightsaber technology works like i didn't know i did chuckle at one point going like how what's the what's the thinking behind this? The thinking is it's a game. Yeah. And you need different stances. That's really all it can do.

It's real to me. Oh, real quick. Was I the only one that could not? Maybe it's just because I couldn't pick red. But did you guys go through all your different colors on your lightsabers like eight times? I did. I'm like, I don't like this one. I go switch it.

I don't like this one i go switch it and i don't like this one i go uh guess who doesn't care one iota about cosmetics and never changed cal's beard never changed the outfit never changed you didn't get a mullet are you kidding me i i don't care about cosmetics but i do care about the color of my lightsaber yep yeah yeah i left mine with the default the entire game. All right, so let's move on and talk about exploration in the open world, because I think this is something that I find in some ways kind of infuriating, and in other ways, I think it's the best stuff that Star Wars Jedi has to offer. There is so much you can do in the open world here. This game throws things at you like rumors, bounties, Jedi meditation

chambers. There are collectibles galore. I mean, you're double jumping while running using zip lines. You're using the force to pull pillars of rock out of the ground and then jumping off of those. I mean, you could squeeze easily 100 hours out of this game if you want to go collect everything and explore every corner of the world but at the same time there are things that i found rather frustrating here i don't know if we want to start with the good or the bad but like what do you guys want to cover first start with bad end with the good start with the bad all right here's my number one gripe this game has so many chests that you can go find and open, but what do they all have?

Squat. Cosmetics. I think you care about them both. Cosmetics. Yeah, I know. I got so excited in the beginning, because I'd be like, oh, there's a chest way up there in the air.

Well, how do I get to it? Okay, maybe I can wall ride off that, and maybe I can get here, and oh, maybe I'm supposed to start on that ledge. And then you open it, and it's like, congratulations, you've unlocked Wanderer Pants for for cow and it does not change your stats or you know you unlock some part of your lightsaber or you're gonna unlock cow's mullet you know or full beard or short beard or

what you know it's not worth a soul patch no i was so disappointed i stopped opening chests i i would get i would i would find my way up to get to them out of curiosity and i wouldn't even open them i just would run past them so you can tell the difference because there are points that will give you a skill perk or it'll give you an extra stim pack and of course i would get those but there's nothing more ho-hum than finding all these treasure chests that don't have any actual treasure. Dude, I'm with you. It was fun for the first 15 chests. Honestly, I was like, oh, cool. Finally, I can give Cal a beard and he can quit looking like a small child or something like that. But then after a while, I'm with you, Paul. I was just like, dude,

it's more the challenge of how do i get up there to get that chest but what was in the chest i could care less about towards the end of the game man like honestly because it's not like the first game where you unlock different lightsaber colors or something cool this was literally like here's a new pair of pants and it looks 80 like i'd have to compare them like how oh this one has a cargo pocket okay yeah like and it's dude it was such a wasted opportunity and i get that they're not wanting to go down that route but just fake it at that point just tell me like this gives me plus one dexterity you know or or you know plus 12 power or something man man. Something. Even if it was worthless and you're literally lying to me at that point. Refresh my Stimpaks in the middle before I find the next meditation point.

Anything like that would have been nice. I agree 100%. You know, though, Josh, if they did that and you had different plus dexterity or plus this and that, then you would complain, this doesn't really matter. This isn't the right thing. Maybe, but it's better than the cosmetics, honestly. And I know that there's somebody out there that would have hacked the game and been like, this dexterity doesn't change anything.

But it would have been more rewarding to me than another jacket or another set of colors that I can use to die beady one, you know, or, or my lightsaber or something like that. Like, and again, I know that Paul and I, you know,

in particular don't care about cosmetics a whole lot, but having cosmetics be the only reward in a game like this was a little disappointing. Yeah. You'd be the big boss. You're not getting anything cool. You know, most of the time I will also say I had this issue. was a little disappointing. Yeah, you beat a big boss, you're not getting anything cool, you know, most of the time.

I will also say, I had this issue with Fallen Order as well. I absolutely hate the holographic map in these games. Oh, everybody hates that. I think they are atrocious. And I swear to you, this game trolls you on purpose sometimes because the way the stupid map works

is they put like a little yellow marker for a possible path to go find an objective. The problem is that if you have a whole bunch of quests, you're going to have yellow paths all over the place. And I remember one time in particular, I was like, okay, that yellow corridor is closest to my objective. So I'm going to start there first. And I started running that way. And then Cal out loud said, oh, I better come this way later because there was a big beast in a bird nest. And so I was like, okay, I guess that's the wrong way. And I spent about 40 minutes exploring all the other yellow

corridors, all of which were wrong. It turns out you can go the way of that first path, and that was the right way to go. But I felt like the game threw me off the scent for no reason. So I found that to be very annoying. I kind of wish you could just say, this quest is primary, and just give me a navigation marker on the ground. I know that that kind of takes away some of the exploration and working to get there, but sometimes the path to get there is not obvious because you might have to climb up a completely different part of the map and now you're going to grab a bird and the bird is going to help you glide all the way across to the other part of the map

and it's very confusing to know where to go at times and I found that to be very frustrating. Yeah i agree yeah i'm the i'm the i'm the same way i like a little arrow marker and there are so many times when i was looking through that map and then you you zoom in zoom out and then you're like what level am i on and it brings you up and down and you're like oh my gosh yeah what floor and i remember that on the last on fallen order as well you know you're you're looking okay okay so i gotta you're looking and okay, okay, so I got to go this way. And okay, there's a door.

Oh, I can't get through that door. And yeah, no, it was, yeah, that map sucks. That's the best word for it. You need a cartography degree and very good three-dimensional thinking. But I will say everything else is great about the open world. So like you wanted me to pull out the bad stuff first. I love games that have

like a lot of rock climbing and parkour type stuff. And this game gives that to you in spades. And it's very fast when you're climbing around ledges or swinging from like a great hanging over the ground like monkey bars. Cal moves so fast. I absolutely love it. Moving around in the world is incredibly easy. And when you throw in double jumps and wall running, it's even more fun. I absolutely love running around in this world. They do give you mounts. I'm not sure the mounts make you run all that much faster than when you're on foot. So the

mounts, I could kind of take or leave. But I absolutely loved working my way to objective points. And I thought that's a huge bonus in this game. See, I'm going to disagree with you, Paul, because one of my negatives in this was the amount of grates and vines and crap that you had to climb. Oh my goodness. And listen, we didn't say it, but this game definitely has Metroidvania type elements. You get abilities, you can now go back to a place you've been before and double jump over this gap, or use the force to open up a door that you couldn't open before and things like that. So that's just part of the DNA of this game. And it was like that with Fallen Order as well.

And you did a good bit of climbing on mountain ledges and stuff like that. Where I am going to complain about Jedi Survivor is they leaned into the climbing of fences and grates. Oh my goodness, dude. There was literally a point, I'm probably 15 hours into this game and i just out loud was like why like another great like number one who's putting all of these fences on

the side of a mountain man why are they there i it just it became like it's a mechanic that it was cool at first but they used it so freaking much in this game that it really started to bug me after a while to where i was like dude if i have to climb one more stinking fence and it's not just a little it's a climb up shimmy over for 30 seconds climb up again shimmy back the other direction for 30 seconds. And then you finally get to the top of this ledge over and over. Watch the electric, watch out for the electric. I will say that where this game shined for me is I do agree with you with the

parkour and the actual traversal, because here's the, here's the difference, right? There are so many times where I'm spending freaking 45 seconds doing nothing but climbing a fence. And that is the most boring thing in the world to me. But then there were part of the games where you were wall running and then double jumping to another wall and then running on that one and then double jumping to another wall and then having to time a grab of a vine that was hanging down to then swing to another vine to pull right cable with the force while you're midair

where this game shined so well was when it was those chaotic moments where i'm literally on the edge of my seat going don't miss this jump don't miss this pool of this vine or you're gonna fall and you're gonna die and it was this like amazing fast-pacedour, like stringing all of your Jedi skills together. And that was great. But then it was just like, oh, and now climb this fence for 40 seconds after all that. And I was just like,

oh guys, like, come on. Yeah. Those areas where you were able to chain all of that together. And like you said, chaotic, you just keep going,

going, going through double jump, jumbled up. And i want to say the force dash is so freaking sweet i wish i could just force dash everywhere in my life forever that i i would just jump and force dash when i'm instead of running that's all i would do i would just force dash because i was like this is so cool man you know i i do the the vines and vines and the wall grates and all that stuff everywhere kind of definitely got just boring. You're just like, oh, here we go. I got to climb up to this again. But when they would have those little tweaks to make it just a little bit different where you had to jump off this, climb off this, climb for just a second.

But then you had to get to something else, you know, and so it progressed. And it wasn't just a long, you know, great you had to climb across. It made a difference. You might be hanging off the ground more than you're standing on the ground. Honestly, it feels that way at times. Yeah. All right. So let's just very briefly, because I know we're going to quickly run out of time here, but I do really want to say a lot of positive things about the voice acting yes i think the voice act work in this

game is phenomenal i have always been a huge fan of cameron monaghan who plays cal i think he's fantastic i think all the motion capture stuff is awesome i think bode also is incredible uh his name is no sheer dalal hope i'm pronouncing that right you might know his voice as charles from red dead redemption 2 i thought he was a great addition in this game and i love the voice work uh marin is not as fun to listen to but i know anything bad i know it's the character but she is like intentionally underacting the entire time but i get it she reminds me of uh aubrey plaza a little bit i can see that a little bit just awkward and and weird and smoking hot i will say the the acting, all of the characters, that was all really top-notch. I mean, you really felt like you were in this world, this galaxy, these characters,

you're infested in them. Even some of the little side characters, we're not going to spoil anything, but some of the other people that you come across that maybe don't play major roles, I thought were all really well done. I really enjoyed that aspect of it um i thought they really did a good job with that all right so we're gonna get to my favorite topic about this game we have to talk about some of the technical aspects oh boy of this game all right paul didn't i say start with the bad end with the good oh well this is a bad sandwich we're starting bad and we're gonna end bad all right we gotta talk about graphics and performance because these were some of the biggest swing and a miss that i've seen in

a very long time in a game i know we all experienced slightly different things because Ryan played on PS5, which I love when one of us play on console because it can be so different. Josh played on PC with his brand new absolute beast. What graphics card do you have? A 3080? I have a 3080, which is probably the worst component of my PC right now. There you go. My computer is only a couple years old but it was very top of the line about 20 months ago and i have a 2080 ti this game looked and performed so bad on my computer i was getting crashes left and right kobo in particular was crashing for me every minute. I was furiously looking at the boards on Steam and on Reddit, and someone said, dude, I swear to you, it's the birds. Every time I climb up a ledge

and see birds fly in the air, my computer freezes. And guess what? As soon as I read that comment, every time I saw those birds, man, my computer crashed. I had to control alt delete and task the game and restart it. And it had to compile those stupid game files for another 60 seconds. I had to change the priority of my processor to real time and that kind of helped, but I have never had a game freeze this much for me on PC. The Callisto Protocol was constantly stuttering so bad you could not play it. This game looked awful. Even when I would run it on epic settings, it looked horrific. And when I put it on low settings, the game looked exactly the same. I swear to you, it did not change anything. And that's even when I would fully restart the game. I was often seeing my frame rate drop down

into the high 20s, low 30s, and it got to a point where I stopped playing. This is one of the very few games that I did not beat. I try to beat every game that we play. You guys see that all the time, unless the game's too big. This one, I just stopped. I was so tired of having to restart this game that I got about two thirds of the way through it and then threw in the towel. I couldn't handle it anymore. I don't blame you. Notoriously, the PC port on this game

has massive performance issues. And I'll be honest, they're not fixed. I think they've released three patches so far to try to fix the performance issues, and they've only gained a little bit of ground on this. This was, unfortunately, the most well-known issue with this game, especially with the reviews that came out, people playing it, that kind of thing. I have to apologize to Paul because Paul kept saying, this game looks like garbage. And I went,

my game looks fine. And Paul just kept going like this game looks like garbage. And I went, my game looks fine. And Paul just kept going like, Josh, I know you're old and you're half blind by now, but how can you say this game looks good? How hard are you squinting over there? I was going, Paul, what are you talking? So we legitimately started sharing screenshots with each other. And Paul's game looked like garbage. It looked bad. screenshots with each other and paul's game looked like garbage and then bad like any good friend would do he went josh look at the character models though because i'm just distracted by this gorgeous scenery i'm playing in 4k epic settings you know i'm getting about 45 frames per second

with a beast of a pc and i mean i am playing at playing at 4k. So it's like, okay, well I get that, but there's no reason for the performance on this game. But then Paul points out and he goes, look at the character model. And then I went, Cal's hair. Yeah. And then I looked at it and then I could not unsee that it was like half the

polygon, like texture resolution. So fuzzy. Yeah. And then I was like, Oh yeah, you're kind of right paul dang it and then the whole rest of the game i'm just looking and i'm like cal's hands look terrible i couldn't see his fingers man and then it's because he can customize his hair it's not

gonna look as good it's true oh i don't know what the term for you know a mask i think is what they call it where it's like they have to have the placeholder there. But that said, there are a ton of issues with the technical performance of this game on PC, and they haven't fixed it yet. Now, I'm lucky in that I was able to play through the game. I definitely wasn't getting the performance that I should have been getting. I did crash a couple times. There definitely is some stuttering. The game does every single time you load the game, or you start the game, I should say, it does compile shaders for a good 60 seconds every time,

not once like a lot of games do. Just like Warzone. Yeah, so there's definitely that. Ryan, for PS5, how did it run? You did share a screenshot of a crash with us at one point. Yeah. Well, I mean, to get mine going, I had to do the painstaking process of turning on my PlayStation.

So it was so horrible. No, but it definitely – I for sure know what you guys are talking about, about the looks and the – Good thing they got all those cosmetics, paul yeah yeah thank goodness it was um i i i i had the one crash and then i found out that sometimes it doesn't like if you jump on the turbo lift when it's going down in force dash that's right i remember you saying that and so and so then i was like i tried it again and it did it again i'm like oh okay oh, okay, yeah, don't do that anymore. Other than that, it ran pretty dang well for me.

I didn't have too many issues. I did, near the end, fight a certain somebody who was supposed to have a lightsaber and there was no lightsaber, but I could hear all the noise. All the crashing of the lightsabers. So he's LARPing? He's just like, zoom, zoom, zoom, and there's nothing there. And I'm like, okay, well, here we go. I ended up dying.

And then when I came back, then he had the next go around. But yeah, it was not the same experience that you guys had. Dude, I just remember telling you guys, because you were both a little ahead of me in this game. i said guys good news i'm taking off of kobo i don't think i'm gonna have any more issues because there's no birds and josh just put i don't have the heart to tell you and i said are you telling me i'm gonna come back to kobo and it's literally like 14 minutes later you do the next mission they're like go back to kobo and go go figure this out and you keep coming back to kobo and that's where i had the most issues all right well we're gonna go ahead and take our last break and then we're gonna come back

and we're gonna close out the show with our regular segments all right guys one last quick question before we move on to our regular segments overall did this game work for you did you like the story the combat is it worth the 70 price tag what would you guys say um for me uh i mean as as a star wars fan and how much i loved the first one um the way i always look at it is, how many hours of gameplay am I going to get out of this? You go to a movie now, it's 20 bucks. And that's an hour and a half, two hours of the day,

plus $50 for popcorn. So for 70 bucks to get the amount of hours you'll get out of this, especially if you go back and you do do all those chests and you do explore these lands and these areas and go back and get into it all those chests and you do explore these lands in these areas and and go back and get into it a little more depth hopefully once they kind of patch things up and fix it a little bit um i i feel that for this release i i think it's worth it you know for me what about you josh i was super hyped for this game um i you know i this is one that I was really, really looking forward to.

I will say that I do think it's worth it. I'll give some of my thoughts on things that I didn't like about the game here in just a little bit, because I definitely have some things I want to talk about there. But I will say that overall, I had 36 hours in this game. I did some of the side missions. I definitely went and collected the chests and things like that when I saw them. And I mean, that's two bucks an hour at that point. So the value is definitely there. This is a very enjoyable game, especially like you said, Ryan, if you love Star Wars, you were in the Star Wars universe at this point. So

there's that added benefit as well. So I will say that say that yes i do think it's worth the 70 bucks it was worth the 70 bucks just for one point where i got to throw a stormtrooper up into a tie fighter yes and i just it was another one of those moments i was like oh you know that's that's what gets that's what gets me going for sure. Yeah, my biggest issue is simply the technical issues on PC. I think if you can pick this one up for PS5, then it's probably worth it. Because this game has a lot of great stuff to offer. But this is the first game I've played in a very long time, other than Callisto Protocol, where I just said, I simply can't play this game. And I have a good gaming PC. The problem is not the hardware. The problem is the game. And I don't know what's

going on, but the $70 games are the ones that are performing the worst. It's Forspoken. It's Gotham Knights. It's this. And ironically, it's the cheaper games that are running perfect, like Dead Island 2. So I don't know what's up with the 70 price tag but these games seem to really struggle on pc it's a curse right now yeah it might be all right well guys let's go into our favorite segment time for some hot takes all right guys who wants to go first i'll get right i'll get i'll get this is gonna preview a little bit but this is not don't hear what i'm not seeing either because a lot of this is based on my hype level going into this game but this is one of the more disappointing games that has that i've been hyped about that didn't live up to my expectations.

And again, maybe my expectations were just too high, but, and this is a hot take for me because of how much I was looking forward to this game and how much I love fallen order. But for me, this is one of the more disappointing releases that I've played this year. I don't even think it's that hot of a take.

And I, and that's saying something oh well no i'm so annoyed right now because that's what i was gonna say i shouldn't have let you go first i have it on here i almost i almost let you go first ryan but then i was like i mean this would be his first hot take so i don't want to put him on the spot i i have it in my notes in all caps first one was better yeah oh yeah i was i was just i i don't want to put them on the spot i i have it in my notes in all caps first one was better yeah oh yeah i was i was just i i don't know i just i i didn't i enjoyed myself i had fun with this one but i just didn't get sucked in the same way i did with that first one this

this one i just at the end i was like you know the the ending for anyone who hasn't played it yet and also no spoilers it's great i i loved how the ending, for anyone who hasn't played it yet and also knows Spore, it's great. I loved how the game ended, but I just didn't get that just – I didn't dive into the game like I did on the first one. So, yeah, it was super disappointing for me. I'm with you 100%, Ryan. I suggested Fallen Order to as many people as I could. Jedi Survivor, I'm not going to be going around saying you have to play this game. Yeah. people as i could jedi survivor i'm not going to be going around saying you have to play this game yeah well this might not surprise you guys but i also put down almost exactly what you guys said i just pasted into our discord the first thing i wrote down was this is the biggest disappointment

of the year and i don't think anything else will even come close to it um just to take things in a slightly different direction i'm gonna go ahead and say this is the worst loot system I've ever seen in a game. I have never been so disappointed in finding and opening chests. Sometimes you would get to an area and all it is is a force echo. And I'm like, great. So now I get to sit around for 40 seconds and watch another part of this story that I don't really care about. I think the loot system is absolutely horrendous in this game and i i really hope it changes for the third but i can't really imagine that it will

i agree with that that's actually a good hot take paul because you're right how do you have these chests that look like oh man and then you you know you had to work to get there so you're like yes and then it's crap and then you're like oh yeah no as long as as as much time as i spend in these games that should take 30 40 hours i spend 80 because i love to just explore that's why i love you know tomb raiders and all those uncharted i love that exploration and i just had no desire in this game same like as paul said i just see the chest i'm like yeah whatever you know i just go off to another area i'm like i don't even want to go look in no game will you ever think that like when you play tears of the kingdom you're not like oh who cares about that chest like you're gonna go open it i

don't know god of war ragnarok ten arrows but god of war ragnarok you're not leaving any chest behind you're gonna check every single one yeah it's it's crazy and speaking of god of war i did just want to comment on something from earlier the as far as the climbing system goes i think god of war is one that did that so well as opposed to this jedi like you didn't get tired of climbing at least i didn't in god of war but like this you know it's just so oh it's monotonous just climbing these stupid grates but at least it's fast if you go back and play like the old uncharted's nathan drake is kind of climbing like how a real dude would climb where cal kestis is you know he can mantle over this stuff like it's no one's business i still don't understand why you can't just stand on a rock and move the rock with the force and fly wherever you need to go but

i'm not i won't i won't get into the weeds with questions like that. All right. So we've shared some of our thoughts. Josh, you've got some community reviews to read. I do. Just so people get a broad view of this game and how other people thought about it. We always pull good reviews and bad reviews to just, like I said, give more perspective on this. When it's on Steam, we always go to Steam. So this first one is not recommended. 23 and a half hours on record. And it says, I am one with the crash and the crash is with me. I am one with the crash and the crash is with me. I am one with the crash and the crash is with me. I absolutely am loving it, but the latest update has made it even more unplayable.

When updates go in the wrong direction now you're really struggling that's bad that one was such a good just a good star wars reference to squadron there so um okay this next one is recommended 22 and a half hours on record and it says i'm going to recommend it with the asterisks of if it runs on your computer and probably only on sale it took me about 15 to 20 hours to do the storysterisks of if it runs on your computer and probably only on sale it took me about 15 to 20 hours to do the story with a bit of side questing exploration for funsies if you like fallen order and star wars and 15 to 20 hours of fun and new content hits your acceptable price to fun ratio then buy the game at that price point this is one of the easiest wait-and-buy-it-on-sale games

that we've played in a while, in my opinion. All right. And then this next one is recommended, 22.8 hours on record, and it says, most of the negative reviews are based on the performance after launch.

At the point of writing this, it still isn't perfect. Besides that, the game is actually fun. The combat is challenging, but it's diverse. The story is moving and interesting. It's not challenging, but it's diverse. The story is moving and interesting. It's not perfect. And some character subplots are shallow.

Overall, it's a solid eight and a half out of 10 if the performance is fixed. I completely agree with every single word of that review. If this game ran flawlessly, I wouldn't think it's one of the best games of all time, but I would say it's a very, very good game. I don't know if I would say it's a very, very good game. I don't know if I would say great, but very, very good. Well worth playing,

but the technical aspects just drag it down so hard. This game cannot stop tripping over itself. It's like, it's like having a Ferrari or Lamborghini that doesn't run. Just keeps breaking down. It's like, what's the point? You know?

All right. And then this last one is not recommended and it says all in all yes i had fun playing this game the combat was fun for the most part and exploration was all right more or less but the useless mounts the underwhelming story the dumbing down of the characters and other additions that while cool or neat turned out to be rather pointless mixed with the awful excuse of a new game plus, adding zero replayability for me, I just can't tell people this game is worth $70. For $50, I'd say yes,

but the content this game brings with the time you need to complete it for $70, nah. Okay, so am I not crazy about the mounts? I'm glad someone else mentioned this. That's actually why I pulled this review. Dude, is it like plus five percent run speed like i i honestly don't know how much of a boost it is i literally used the mounts when you had to and that was the only time i did yeah that's the only time i used it as well

jump up to get to that other ledge and then that was it i never touched them again so i'm gonna say this about the reviews i have never had a harder time pulling reviews for a game that we have covered than I did for this one because every single review was about performance aspects, whether it was good or bad. People that were leaving negative reviews were saying that I can't play. This game's terrible. What's going on with PC gaming right now? And then the people leaving good reviews weren't extolling the virtues of the game they were just saying game runs fine on my computer like i was just like somebody say something about the game and so after literally

probably an hour of scrubbing reviews i managed to find these four where at least somebody mentioned gameplay. Oh, that's too funny. All right. So, uh, all right. This is the part where we guess the overall steam score. So you've gotten some good reviews.

You've gotten some bad reviews. You kind of know our thoughts a little bit. This is where we try to guess the steam score on the scale of zero to 100 of where we think this game is rated on steam overall and you won last time i thought you did no i did because i had a terrible terrible terrible i wasn't ready to win that one so uh but you know i say i say ryan ryan's let's let's celebrate ryan you get to get first crack oh geez. Oh, jeez. Okay. Well, so I feel, like you said with all the reviews,

the technical aspects and the issues that a lot of people ran into is definitely going to drag it down in the mud a little bit. I'm going to guess just, I would say it probably should be if it ran fine, like a high 80s. But I'm probably thinking it's going to get brought down to maybe uh the mid to high 70s so i'm gonna i'm just gonna go at a nice even 75 i think you're definitely right that it would be high 80s if it ran well i think man this is tough because if people had the same experience as me this game would be at a two percent and i know not everyone had it that bad but i'm i'm

gonna go a lot lower i'm gonna say 45 percent oh gosh why did you make me go first 45 percent i'm saying 45 i don't know if i've ever guessed that low before. All right. Well, I guess 72%. I know there was performance issues, but then it's Star Wars and it's Jedi, Fallen Order sequel and all that. And I went, man, there's got to be some good here. And there is for sure. So I guess 72%. Ryan, I hope you're not ready because you didn't win and neither did I. The actual is 59% overall rating. 59% overall rating on Steam. Oh my gosh. So that's telling me 41% of people played the game that I did, which was, it looked

like a game from 25 years ago that couldn't run well and you couldn't stick with it. That was my experience so paul yes all right bring us back on a winning streak let's hit that music hey there marin i was wondering if you had a extra heart because mine was just stolen sorry ryan i'm taking her from you. She's mine. Not with that pickup line. What was your guess, Paul? My guess was 45.

45? Did you do the math wrong? Let me make sure. 45 to 59 is 14 points. I guess 72. 72 to 59 is 13 points. I'm the winner!

And I'm going to blame you for the part. I just took your word for it and rolled with it. Don't worry, I'm ready to win this one, guys. DJ, roll back the record. Roll that tape. Alright, Josh, let's hit that music. Take us into the next segment

i'd like to point out that this is none of this is my fault oh math is hard sometimes guys oh man okay here we go hey marin you want to retire to Tanalore and start a new civilization? Nice. So I think since you guys both got to get a pickup line, I should get one too. Oh, I'm sure. Fair enough. This is a socialist podcast. Go ahead, Ryan.

All right. Here we go. Hey, baby, are you from Dothamir? It's getting hot in here. You must be a witch because, baby, you put a spell on me. Oh, I like the Dothamir hot's getting hot in here you must be a witch because baby you you put a spell on me i like the dothamir hot in here little ryan there ryan for a second i thought you were like singing a song busting out some rap lyrics for mary and i would yeah all right well josh since you're the official

why don't you tell people what what we're doing here? Sorry to mess with you like that, Paul. All right. We're professionals, guys, really. I'm used to the intentional trolls, not the accidental ones. Oh, man. There was something in my brain going like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The five.

The five sounds closer to four. It does. It does. That's exactly what happened. And then I was like, I can't let this go because I know everybody out there is going to be like, you guys didn't even realize. So I almost said 15. I should have stuck with it. Oh, well.

All right. Well, OK, so this is where we rate the game on a scale of make love, marry or murder. This is where we're actually going to say, hey, this is you know, I think this is just an absolutely must play game. That means it's a marry. Make love means I had a lot of fun with this. It's a good video game. I would recommend it to a good bit of people. Maybe it's not for everybody.

And then Murder is just stay clear. This game is not worth your time or money. We saved you the trouble of having to put yourself through that. Ryan, I'm curious to hear Ryan's thoughts on this. And I don't want him to be able to follow paul or i so let's get ryan's real take on jedi survivor here uh for me this one is uh making sweet sweet love it's it's one of those it's it was it was it would if i didn't have so much expectation and so much love for the first game i would i would say i'd probably marry it but but with what i was looking for and what they delivered you know without the technical issues i didn't have those issues other than a couple

um for me that's it's it's just gonna be a make love. Yeah. That's all that's getting out of me. I think that's fair. This one, I'm conflicted on this, guys, because there are some strong negatives in this game to me. And I don't know if that's because I held this series in high regard. So it's almost like the more expectation you have, the more you kind of set yourself up for disappointment at the same time. And so I have to just... And I'll go through this super quick, but I have some very strong negatives. I already talked about the amount of climbing in this game. That was really off-putting to me, especially when it was capped with really great moments of parkour and traversal and stuff like that. I will say I thought the combat was way

too easy. I was playing on thought the combat was way too easy. I was playing on not the absolute hardest difficulty, but the one right under that, which in Fallen Order was the perfect level of difficulty. In this game, didn't matter. I was wading through everything, man. Now that's not to say that I didn't die occasionally, but I was expecting much more

of a like tactical combat challenge that Fallen Order did have that I felt like this game somehow just missed that um so i felt like the some boss fights are like 27 seconds yeah or even shorter in some cases a lot of this game is not very challenging well it's funny you mentioned that because my next line is the boss fights weren't that great in my opinion they're not i hated the main main boss of this game um i'm not gonna spoil that but the the actual final boss fight i was i thought was lame i

was like what the heck is this man um the graphics weren't really updated since fallen order so i don't really know what they did there either and then the one thing that the other thing that really bugs me is there's like three locations in this game dude fallen order had like five or six different planets that you went to that were all vastly different from each other this game guess where you get to go kobo yeah and so i just i felt like there was a lot of laziness in the development of this game. There was one major plot point that I had a very hard time stomaching and it's a spoiler. And so I will give you a warning that you can skip ahead about a minute on this if you want to just be extra safe. So if you don't want a spoiler, do that right now.

Irma. We're not starting a fraternity. Okay. spoiler do that right now earmuffs we're not starting a fraternity okay there you you play in this in this game as seer who is who is cal's mentor in the first game she's been retired from the force and as a jedi forever and then she fights darth vader and almost kills darth vader you fight darth vader to literally an inch of his life dude i called bs the entire time that was happening dude that was the dumbest segment i have ever seen in a video game ever dude vader is bad dude you do not mess with darth vader and you're telling me this old retired jedi lady that hasn't been training or practicing or anything can almost kill Darth Vader.

What? You know what she would have done? The exact same as what Obi-Wan did in A New Hope. It would be over in one swing and he would cut her in half. Oh my goodness, dude. I've never had a game moment enrage me like that did. Okay. Spoiler over because I don't want to harp on that so much.

But anyway, all that to be said, overall was overall, I felt disappointed in this game. Literally, that's my opinion. But that being said, I probably had unfair expectations. And this is a very, very good video game. So it's one of these weird ones where personally, I wasn't that happy with it. But I would recommend this game to a lot of people because I think it has a lot to offer. So I'm going to say it's a make love for me, but only because I think other people would enjoy it more than I did.

That's fair. Yeah, I'm going to murder it. I don't think I'm surprising. Yeah, I don't think I'm shocking anyone there after all my comments. It mostly boils down to the technical issues. I think if the game ran perfectly i'd probably fall in the make love category simply because i think the loot system is bad the boss fights are not great i do think that this game has a lot of good bones like i

think if i went back to fallen order i would probably really really enjoy my time playing that now and jedi survivor just didn't do it for me mostly for the technical reasons there's no way i can give it a higher score based on how bad it was because half my time was spent reloading the game it just made for a really bad experience um i'm not even joking when i say one time my game crashed and i just said i'm just gonna play 10 minutes of minesweeper and i did that in the middle of what was supposed to be a jedi survivor uh play session so that that's about all you need to know oh my gosh all right well we have one last segment guys let's go to our leaderboard and see where this game stacks up all right i think most of our listeners know what the leaderboard is by this point i feel like after

three years of explaining it uh if you want to see it go ahead and head over to multiplayerpodcast.com you'll see a list of every game we've done a deep dive and we have to decide as a three-man consensus where do we want to rank this against all the other games that we have covered guys we are sitting at 95 games this is going to be number 96 since we've got two make loves and one murder probably not in the top half but if we're kind of looking in the mid-range here we've got some stuff like broforce at 42 we've got high on life at 52 we've got star wars squadrons at 69 uh what are you guys thinking like what kind of range where would we put this game i i really don't know because like i said i don't either i'm disappointed in this game but yet it's a good video game so how do i rate do? Do I rate it with my heart and say,

well, it disappointed me, so I want to move it down? Or do I say, this list is for people that might be looking for a game to play, and I would recommend this game to most people, assuming that it runs at that point. So this is really hard for me. I am going to say that I think it probably belongs in the late 40s-ish area for me. Because I look at Steel Rising, right? Similar combat structure, not nearly as cool of a world. But I think I actually had more fun playing Steel Rising, oddly enough. Yeah. And so I think I'd rank Steel Rising higher than that.

But then there's some good games I could see like early 50s as well. So I think I'm in that range somewhere of like late 40s, maybe late 50s-ish, somewhere in that zone. That's kind of where I know this is my first one you know as far as the rankings go and that's what i hadn't put down in my notes is 40s and 50s um looking over the list with you guys but i yeah it's one of those if it was released that when it where it worked it might have helped but it was also it was it was it was a good game it was fun but you know we had such high expectations especially after the first one that it kind of jades you towards where you want to put it

but uh yeah i i think that's definitely fair up probably upper upper 40s yeah i think if i were to rank it on my own i would have it pretty close to 60 which is where we have atomic heart uh atomic heart was definitely a letdown but that game ran really well on my computer uh so i think jedi survivor has better bones than atomic heart but it just ran so poorly i i kind of have like a similar experience so if we're gonna kind of meet somewhere in the middle i think we're probably gonna land somewhere in the what like 50 to 53 range or maybe just a little bit higher i could see that yeah honestly that's probably a good spot um 49 50 51 i was gonna say i would definitely i mean a thousand times i would say play jedi survivor over like tribes of midgard so i i could make the case of putting it at like 49

do 49 for paul's pick that's what he that's what his number was right it was wasn't no 59 oh 59 okay um i think 49 for me but i won't fuss at all if paul's like i'd rather have it at like 52 or 53 it's like. I, I'm fine as long as it's underneath rim world. So I'm fine with 49. If, if Ryan's cool with that too. Yeah, no,

that, that, that number works for me. Lock it in. Unfortunately, it makes me sad, but yes, go ahead,

Paul. I was going to say in the future, if we re rank the leaderboard and this game's been fixed, we are not opposed to moving these games around. The cycle famously started out really high in our leaderboard and this game's been fixed we are not opposed to moving these games around the cycle famously started out really high in our leaderboard and every update we kept dropping it because the game got worse and worse and worse and we've no man's sky we've bumped it up so it's like we're not opposed to updating these things since this one's mostly technical i would not be shocked if this game moves up 10 15 slots in the future but I think right now having it around 49 is fair.

Yeah. All right. Cool. Lock it in. All right. We'll lock it in. Number 49, Jedi Survivor. That means it is coming underneath Steel Rising, V Rising, Lost Ark, Among Us, and RimWorld.

It will be above Tribes of Midgard, Far Cry five raft high on life and killing floor too. I think that's a good spot. It is a fair spot for it. And some people are going to be going bananas because they're going to think this game's way better. And that's probably just because it ran really well on their system. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Well, I think that wraps up our show here for today. We do want to say thank you to everyone for listening. Our next deep dive is going to be the legend of zelda tears of the kingdom which will be our very first nintendo exclusive deep dive i think people are really going to enjoy listening to our thoughts on that that one should release in two weeks time although it kind of depends on when we all finish these

games and when we're ready to record but tentatively we're thinking two weeks from now as a reminder please check out our patreon page over at MultiplayerSquad.com so you can unlock bonus episodes and help fund what we do here and keep our lights on. We do release new episodes every Monday, Thursday, and Saturday. Make sure to hit the follow button so you don't miss any episodes. And I think that wraps everything up. Any closing words or thoughts, boys? Are we ready to shut this one down?

I just want to say real quick because I'm still getting used to this whole podcast thing, but I just wanted to thank you guys for the opportunity to do this. I really appreciate it. It's been such a blast so far and I'm looking forward to what we can do with it. And then also to all the fans out there,

you guys are awesome. I was getting personal tags in our Discord. Also, if you're listening and you're not on the Discord, get on there. It's an awesome community. A bunch of really, really great people in there that are all just chatting games and everything else. So get on that if you're not. But it's been great. And thank you, everyone, for the compliments.

And I'm super excited. I was going to joke and say, those were all of me and Josh's alt accounts that were tagging Ryan. Good job, buddy. I was, cause I was, you know, I was on vacation when we recorded that one episode,

my friend that was, we had another couple that we went to the beach house together with. And he was, he was convinced that I was personally making those, those comments. He's like, no way. Those are somebody that's you. You're just making those comments. He's like, no way. Those are somebody – that's you.

You're just making those and commenting about yourself. He wouldn't stop saying that. That's awesome. Well, we are excited to have you. Yes, it is. You've been phenomenal, and I know the response has been really good. And like I said, we're super excited to have you moving forward and see where we can go with this thing. Yeah. All right. Well, with this thing. So, yeah.

All right. Well, thanks again for joining us, Ryan. Thanks to everyone for listening. And until next time, happy gaming. See you. All right. See everybody.