Video Gamers Podcast - Most Overrated Games of All Time - Gaming Podcast

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

WARNING: This gaming episode contains spicy takes you don’t want to miss! Gaming hosts Josh, Michael and Paul are back in one of our best episodes ever. First we start with a huge, bittersweet announcement before diving into the most overrated video games of all time. Popular, beloved video games that just don’t quite match their ratings. Sure they’re great and go down in gaming history, but we chat why these gaming gems don’t quite live up to their hype. Thanks to our LEGENDARY supporters: Gideon Is Lit, Toro, Scrump, Gaius, Remi, MarbleMadness, Dr. Catatonic, Blackstar (DQ), Glapsuidir, Phelps, Michele B, Redletter, Nevo, Waynerman, TFolls, AceofShame, Jake, RangerMiller, and Ad Connect with the show: Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/multiplayerpodcast Join our Gaming Discord: https://discord.gg/Dsx2rgEEbz Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/multiplayerpod/ Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/MultiplayerPod Subscribe to us on YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCU12YOMnAQwqFZEdfXv9c3Q  Visit us on the web: multiplayerpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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If you experience any of these symptoms, please continue to listen and enjoy the show. Multiplayer Podcast does not condone the takes of the hosts on this episode. Hello, fellow gamers, and welcome to the Multiplayer Gaming Podcast. Today, we have each brought a list of what we believe to be the most overrated games of all time. I'm sure this episode won't cause any controversies or any hurt feelings whatsoever. I am your host, Paul, and I am joined by my two partners. Coming up first, he is criminally underrated. It's Michael!

Ah, yes, they call me the Mer the merchant of mediocrity in real life. That's true, actually. But, you know, that's what they call me. I have a lot more to offer than that. There you go. And if Michael's criminally underrated, we all know what that means. He's also criminally underrated. It's Josh.

Paul, I expect better. Come on. Give it to me, Paul. That was way too nice for the likes of Josh. I went the nice route. Paul, I expect better. Come on. Give it to me, Paul. That was way too nice for the likes of Josh. I know some of the games I'm bringing up later, so I gotta butter you up now, Josh. We gotta preserve our friendship. I'm not sure I like where this is going.

Guys, this is gonna be such a fun episode. I love talking about things that are overrated because people will tune into the podcast and inevitably we're going to make everybody angry. We're going to lose a lot of listeners. I don't know if this is the best idea or not. I know on occasion we have addressed here or there a game that we think is overrated, but we're going to devote the whole episode to it.

So before we jump into that, though, we do have a little bit of heavier stuff to cover. Michael, you've got a little bit of an announcement for us all. We're not crazy excited about this announcement, but I'm going to go ahead and toss you the floor, Michael. Yes, I am now an epic supporter of the show again. You sure? Wait, what? What's that mean? He wouldn't even go legendary? Man, that's just a jerk move. I'll pick my game later guys don't worry hey so uh yeah rip the bandit off right this unfortunately listeners out there

will be my last time recording an episode as a full-time host of this show the reason is because paul and josh are absolutely insufferable to work with it's true it's true it's something you would actually never hear me say yeah Yeah, right? Cut this out. That's something you would absolutely never hear me say, except for when I just said his joke. Conversely, Paul and Josh, about a year and a half ago, invited me to be a part of their dream, a dream that I shared. I've always wanted to be on a podcast. It's always been a passion of mine, long time before coming on this show. But one thing I can say is sometimes life does funny things. And in this case, my family and I had an occurrence a while back, which has greatly

impacted my day to day and my family. And sometimes you really just have to look out for some priorities in your life and so forth and just go with things that really support that overall initiative of family first, God first, and whatever is important to you. I hate to say, use the words, trim the fat, because this is not fat. The fat is the best part of a steak sometimes, I guess you could say. But I'm getting around myself. So anyways, when you're dealing with adversity or something, you've really got to sacrifice something, sometimes to be whole again. And so despite this podcast being very therapeutic for me, during this whole deal, there's a lot of work that goes into recording a podcast. And because of my situation, a lot of the back office work, the things that we need to do from

a business standpoint to grow the pod and take it to the next level, slowly became more and more unable to be completed by me. And so when you look at things that go into, if I were to stay, it would put a lot more stress on Paul and Josh to make up for my time on the show. And it would not only be unfair to them to do that, but also to you as fans, because quality would suffer in some way. And so it's only right for myself and for my family and for the sake of Paul and Josh's sanity that I do take my leave. But I will forever look back and appreciate my time on the show. I want to thank Josh and Paul from the bottom of my heart for letting me share this dream. And for you guys listening out there,

you can't get rid of me. I'll still be there in Discord. I'm still going to listen to the show. So you don't have to miss me too much because I'll be learning about the episodes from the episode spoiler chat in Discord along with the rest of you. Yeah, this is, you know, obviously sad news, but we completely understand, you know, there's times that life throws you curveballs and things change. But, you know, Michael, having you record with us over the last 14 months or so has just been awesome. You know, you just plugged in immediately in the show.

It was never hard work to record with you. We know, you just plugged in immediately in the show. It was never hard work to record with you. We really do appreciate all the hard work and the input. You know, we've done so many episodes up to this point. And just so the listeners know, Michael has made himself available in case we need a third host for the occasional tournament or something like that. So I don't necessarily think this is the last we'll ever hear of Michael. We might be able to use him sporadically here or there as long as we're not overstepping his family's needs. Anything you wanted to add on to that, Josh? I was just going to say, dude, I mean, we're all

very, very close to your friends. And the show is better with Michael on it. I know the listeners love him. When he came on, we got a ton of really great feedback that said, hey, the addition of Michael to the show is awesome. It is sad. We understand, but we have always been a family-first podcast. That's why we're family-friendly at the same time. And so I have to say kudos to Michael for putting his family first and himself first. Because I can guarantee every single person out there that Michael absolutely loves doing this podcast. And he loves the listeners and he loves our community. And so I mean, just honestly, thank you, Michael, for everything that you've done for the show and for our community and everything else.

And you will always be welcome to come back and do episodes with us and stuff like that, too. Yeah. Sometimes the right thing to do isn't always the most fun thing to do or the most glamorous thing to do. But it's family and friendships come first. And when you're going through a rough time, sometimes you've got to get down to like, I need my support. And this podcast takes about 20 hours a week to do for each one of us. And if I can't do that, then that's a lot of time I can spend preparing myself for getting through this trial. So I appreciate you guys so much. I love the option to come back. I appreciate that. And

if the doorbell rings, because I know that's how they actually contact me. We don't use email, guys, or anything, Discord. Paul actually comes over to my house and knocks on the door. I know if it's Josh, it's probably bad news. If it's Paul, it's probably good news. But when the door not comes, it's like, oh, no, is it Josh? No, just lock the door. Turn around and go.

Don't turn off the lights. Pretend we're not home. Oh, that's so funny well you know in your honor michael josh and i have put together just a little bit of a short reel of some of our most memorable moments of michael so we'll go ahead and we'll include that here hey aren't you the one they call the hero of kvatch and you're like i am the hero of kvatch i'm the hero of kvatch like that's me so michael you get to go first buddy what you got coming in number one hey hey aren't you the one they call the hero of kvatch this is definitely your catchphrase oh man okay instantly two words Two words, okay? Katana. One word. Two words.

I had another word in there. I had another word before that. I didn't realize he was done. First game. One lightsaber. Sounds like this. Okay, two lightsabers is more like this. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

And that's what you're getting from this game, I think. It's going to be a huge hit. I have Aloy as my wife, but you can't really hire a wife unless it's like a... Wait a minute, so Michael has picked Aloy to be... I'm seeing a trend here, Michael. There's that one part right in the middle of the trailer where you hear the chittering from the faceless monsters. Yeah, clickers. The one that's touching your dead no matter what.

And I was like, they're nailing the feeling of this, which I think is a really good start. That might be... I might have to edit that. That might sound censored. They are clickers. I tried to hold it together. Click-ers. The chitterers.

The chitterers. Clickers. Ah, whatever. clickers the chitters clickers whatever it might have sounded like something else there it sounded a little biological a little feminine happy Thursday everyone did Michael just rap? was that a rap?

it sounded a little oh snap I'm like a wizard hitting you in the shoes with the pew-pews. Get you good. Oh, snap. I'm like a wizard hitting you in the shoes with the pew-pews. Get you good. That sounded a little rap-ish, Michael.

How did I do? And then also, Michael, I think it's time for another streamer of the week. Oh, streamer of the week. We don't have a drop for that, Michael, I think it's time for another streamer of the week. Oh, streamer of the week. We don't have a drop for that, right? So I just got to wait, wait, wait, wait, pause timeout. Paul, before the next show, you and I have got to find a drop so that Michael will quit singing the intro to this segment. Let's do streamer of the week.

Streamer of the week streamer of the week we don't have a drop for that right still so i just gotta do my own music still oh my goodness it'd be great if i could get my words out right this wouldn't take forever we need like a bell or a we need some kind of sound for whatever michael just stumbles the once per episode we just go like the words are hard segment yeah i i liked follow follow order fall in order oh man it happens every episode every okay put i told the guy at the gas the gas pump the gas pump gas pump i can't just there it is words are hard 500 times 180 i don't know that's that's hard math right 1800 divided by two is um shoot i shouldn't have asked such a hard question now we got this weird pause going on we've all got game pass i don't i don't some people have game pass

one one of us i didn't get the words words were hard at dang it oh man i just did it trying to say words are hard wow man i did i fumbled through a lot of words didn't i oh man i will always remember words are hard from you, Michael. Words are hard. All right. So now that we have the heavier stuff dealt with, we're still going to have a blast recording. Obviously, this is such a fun topic to dive into. Let's go ahead and move on to the main part of this show. So all three of us have made up our own list of games

that we think are most overrated. This is not a three-man consensus. I have a feeling we're going to argue and disagree with one another even on this episode. By nature, when we're talking about overrated games, we're not saying that these games are necessarily bad. We're just saying they're overrated. So by nature, most of these games are going to be very popular. These might be games that are at the top of certain lists. Many of them may even be Game of the Year nominees or even winners. Josh, I think you have a little bit of a trigger warning that you wanted to read the audience at this point. I mean, for those people that skip over the intro because they really want to get to the heart of the show, I understand. But I'm going to repeat this again because we don't want to lose any listeners because they think we're crazy. So yeah, here's

your trigger warning. The episode you are about to hear has takes that some may consider spicy, outrageous, or just plain wrong. These takes may cause feelings of rage, disappointment, or sadness. Symptoms may include head shaking, suddenly blurting out, what? And a desire to turn off this podcast if you experience any of these symptoms please continue to listen and enjoy the show multiplayer podcast does not condone the takes of the hosts on this episode there you go all right so i think we're gonna do this just round robin style and we'll just keep going until we've hit an hour total so uh michael

should we give you the honors yeah go for it you want to go first buddy so onerous yes i will start uh by saying it's not my intention to upset anyone but uh i'm gonna do it uh my first game that i nominate for the most overrated game of all time is none other than the blizzard spectacular diablo 3 oh the reason now now the reason being it's not diablo 2 that's the reason i'm giving let me give you a couple of i'll give you a little deeper on that so the funniest thing is when you look at metacritic both these games have an 88 score overall which is actually a little lower than i thought it would be some ultimate editions show like a 90 for each. But Diablo 3, when it came out, the biggest thing I can say is I didn't want to immediately go back and play it again like I did Diablo 2. I think Diablo 2 I played for like 10 years total.

The Auction House was a total bust. It made the game a bit pay to win, although it was pay a whole lot of real life money to win. It didn't have as much customization. In Diablo 2, one of the great things is you could take your character, and not just by looks, but you could put together some crazy combinations in your classes. And you could have one Amazonian who was completely different from another one, which was great. It's also not as dark as Diablo 2. I think it kind of went a little bit more mainstream and not as evil. I just think overall that it was, again, a good game, but I thought it was still kind of a depressingly disappointing follow-up to Diablo 2. Diablo 2 for me is like a Mount Rushmore game.

Honestly, if you made me pick like a top four of all time, I would very seriously consider D2 to be on that list. So the fact that D3, I think no matter what, was never going to live up to the hype and you start throwing in additional issues. I remember being really excited by the idea of the real money auction house because I love buying games. And then if I get any good items that I can sell for money, like when we played PUBG, I got enough loot in that game that I made money off of PUBG. It did not cost me anything. And so I fully intended to get some legendary loot in D3,

sell it for real life money, have it pay for the game, let someone else subsidize it for me. But in the end, it was fun. I really enjoyed my time with Diablo 3, but it was never going to be as good as Diablo 2. Paul, real quick, you and I both actually liked the real auction house for completely opposite reasons. I like spending money in video games. Oh, how funny. I'm with you, man. Diablo 2 was just such a tough act to follow up that you have to try new things. You can't just make the same game. I mean, Ubisoft does, let's be honest,

but you can't just make the exact same game and slap a different name on it and then think that people are going to fall in love with it over and over again. And so I get the whole, you have to try new things. It's just a lot. I feel like more often than not, that backfires a little bit. Or gamers are just picky and we go, well, that's not what I wanted. And then they kind of go, well, it's not as good then too. But I'm with you, Michael. I think most people would prefer to just forget about Diablo 3. Yeah. But the crazy part that makes me think it's overrated is every single critic score or audience score is identical to Diablo 2. And I'm like, it's not Diablo 2. It's overrated. Do you guys know how long they worked on Diablo 3? Do you know the time gap between 2 and 3? it was a while i'm gonna guess seven years 12 years whoa samsonite we're way off maybe it's on the briefcase look on the oh yeah it's right here samsonite i was way off so so 12 years between two and three and we now have 11 years between three and four so i have very high voodoo on diablo 4 paul don't you put that evil on me ricky bobby don't you put that on

us don't you do it maybe it's like star trek where the odd numbers are bad and the even numbers are great yeah i was gonna say what after four releases what do you guys think are is gonna be your order of the four diablo main releases what do you think it's gonna turn out to be it's hard because nostalgia plays such a heavy role in me yeah and so i want to say it's gonna be two four three one just because one is hard to play you can't even play it really um i would say probably two four three one that's that's what i would say too uh yeah i think it's gonna end up being two four one three for me i would put diablo 3 last i played a lot of three like a lot of it so it was still diablo i mean you know we're

knocking it but at the same time it was still a fun game like it was enjoyable yeah good all right move it on to you josh what do you have as your first overrated game okay the most overrated of all time is the beatles i love you so much wrong well this is now a one-man podcast because i'm also leaving yeah this started this started on the squad cast correct yes it did yeah it was a squad cast so most people don't know what you're talking about and if you don't know what you're talking about there uh we're gonna pin it podcast please go to multiplayer squad.com and donate money so you can listen squad cast paul i I will say nothing can trigger Paul faster than somebody saying the Beatles are overrated.

It is the one guarantee in life with Paul that if you say the Beatles are overrated, Paul will instantly be like, wait a minute, let me explain something. He tried to put me into a box. He was like, oh, he's saying that because it's cool to say the Beatles. I'm like, don't put me in that box, Paul.

That's not why I'm saying that. It's the cool contrarian thing these days here's the thing i have no problem if someone says the beatles just aren't for me or if they say i don't like classic rock any any of those any if it comes down to personal preference i totally get it if you tell me that they're underrated that's just a preposterous take and this is not a music podcast we're gonna get off this uh and you're just wrong i love that he's i love that he accidentally said underrated just now and made our point for us just go back and listen please please just try it everybody out there come to our discord server and just say hey paul i think the beatles are overrated no no no just randomly you know just not not all at once the day that i allow michael to sing the

praises of french pop and lacuna coil and out of the other side of his mouth uh speak ill of the beatles yeah i will not allow that to happen so in my defense it was what i was doing was comparing it to another game that's probably going to come out of my mouth on this list. I said that game was overrated. I didn't mean to apply it to the Beatles as heavily as just I don't particularly love the Beatles. I think they're pretty good. But the comparison was strongly made that it sounded like I said it was overrated, which was unfortunate because I never heard the end of it. All right. Let me anger some real people here besides just Paul.

My trolling of Paul. I had to get that in there. All right. For real. One of the most overrated games, in my opinion, is Super Smash Bros. Okay. I knew you would bring this up. Super Smash Bros. has a 93% positive rating on Steam or Metacritic.

I don't even remember which one. Actually, it's probably Metacritic. It's not on Steam. So that's very high. And I get that Super Smash Bros or Smash Bros I'm talking about the entire franchise guys yeah it's not a good fighting game man it is the most overrated fighting game yes I have played it yes I have played all the characters I've unlocked them all it sucks it's not a good fighting game. You want to talk about good fighting games, go play Street Fighter, go play Mortal Kombat, go play Tekken, go play some of

these. I get that they're older games and this is not an old man just shouting, you know, get off my lawn. But it's like, dude, Smash Bros, it's just, I don't know what it is. Like the level design's terrible. The whole thing with knocking people off the ledge is terrible. The movesets are not interesting. They recycle so many, like, of the same moves for the characters. I mean, how many characters with a sword and a dash can you have before you're like, dude, this guy already exists, man. You know? And so, like so I get it.

I know it's beloved. I think it's absolutely the best fighting, considered the best fighting game by pretty much an entire generation. But man, I'm telling you, this game is one of the most overrated games I think I've ever seen. Is Paul part of that generation?

No. Although I'm pretty sure Paul loves it. Yeah, I'm a big fan. Unless so now as an adult. I bought the very first one on Nintendo 64. So the 64 was my first console. My family rented Smash Brothers when we were on a family trip, and I played countless hours in the car while driving. I think the reason why so many people love it is, first of all, as good as Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter are, those are only 1v1.

And that allows you to have better balancing, and there are advantages to that. I get it. Smash Bros., you can go up to four. And when you have a group of kids over, like I used to have as a teenager, and all four of you are battling, and you're screaming and yelling and talking trash to one another, that can be a lot of fun when you're doing 2v2 or 1v1v1v1. In some cases, we would let the best person fight with maybe like one bot against the other three. I think it just opens up a lot of combinations and opportunities you don't get with Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. But all that being said, when Smash Brothers started adding more and more characters, it started to get too overwhelming. I liked when there were 20 characters

to pick from and that's it. The first two Smash Brothers I absolutely loved. After that, I did kind of grow out of love with it. I don't have anything to say about this because I never played it. It sounds like that was a good thing. You're so lucky, Michael. You're so lucky. Didn't waste my time did you ever play like in a living room with a bunch of other people josh it just wasn't for you yeah it's just not for me i don't like the movesets i don't like the it just seems it feels so limited to me is the thing and the whole like oh look a hammer spawn lets everybody race for the hammer because that's gonna knock the guy off the edge i just'm a fighting game purist. It gives me soul caliber. Or those types of games where it is

mano-a-mano and whoever has the most technical ability or the fastest reflexes is going to prevail. That's my preference in that case. And I get it. Any game with four people in a living room is going to be fun. I mean, I feel like you could say that about just about any multiplayer game out there. No, because Overcooked exists. Yeah. I mean, if you want to yell at people, right? Like, yeah. I mean, that can be an entertaining time if you like screaming at people. But I get it. It's I know it's a hot take, but I have always, always thought that Super Smash Bros. was just so drastically overrated. One of my all-time favorite things to land in a game is the home run bat in Smash Bros. Oh, it felt so good. And the audio that would play. It was like second to none.

I loved it. Luigi's Fire Punch. Oh, great. Great game. I love Smash Bros. oh it was like second to none i loved it luigi's fire punch oh great great game i love smash brothers uh i almost i almost said fighting games as a whole are overrated i almost thought about putting that on literally fighting words yeah but yeah i i did not you guys know me i was i was always more of a mortal combat killer instinct kind of guy all right well we're gonna go ahead and take our first break here and we will be right back go ahead josh were you in the middle of saying something no you didn't give us your pick yet you're going to break without rounding us out well yeah it's just the

time you know what is that a teaser that was such a tease man yeah we're at like the 20 minute mark joshua it's not my fault but what the time says i don't care what the date says gotta pay those i didn't go i didn't go 17 minutes well we still have listeners after i just slandered super smash bros all right my very first pick here i'm just gonna come out and say it's dark souls one oh dark souls one is so overrated i don't like the take, but I think I understand the take. It started a whole genre. The Souls-like genre. I know what that is, by the way. It did start a genre.

And that's perfectly fine. I get why this created its own genre, and I am not, for one second, complaining about the difficulty. All right? The difficulty and the gameplay are perfectly fine. I think they are actually pretty fantastic. I played Dark Souls 1 when it came out. It is rated 89 on Metacritic on both PS3 and Xbox.

That puts it above games like Dead Space 1, Bioshock 2, the first Uncharted game. Here's where it doesn't sit well with me when I see it rated above those games because Dark Souls 1 has fantastic combat. I understand, but those other games have superb gameplay along with superb stories. And if you're going to chop off an entire element of a game, it can still be great and fantastic, but don't come back and tell me it's one of the all-time greats. I have a couple of stats, not stats, but a couple of accolades.

Dark Souls 1 was awarded, and I want to get your guys' take on this. You ready for it? Yes. Dark Souls 1 was named the best game of all time in 2015 by GamesRadar+. It was named the best RPG on PC, which is preposterous if you ask me, by Rock Paper Shotgun. And it is titled the ultimate game of all time by the Golden Joystick Awards in 2021.

Okay, those are strong. Wow. As the resident lover of Dark Souls on this podcast, I love those games, man man and they're so much fun they were so unique they did spawn an entire genre of gaming but best game of all time like if you asked dude if you asked a hundred if you played family feud and you said we asked 100 gamers what's the best game of all time? Like one dude is going to be like, Dark Souls 1, man.

Best game ever. Yeah, that just seems wild to me. Like imagine someone showing you a house, like your realtor. And they're like, take a look around. Look at this amazing kitchen. It's got a great kitchen. It's a perfect layout. There's only one problem. it has no running water then you'd be like well this is not the greatest house i've ever

seen it's got amazing layout i would love to maybe you know figure out how to live with this house but you would never say it's the greatest house of all time so if you have zero story that to me is where you're you're out of your mind if you name this the best game of all time. If you want to say that about Elden Ring, I've got a lot less issue with that. But Dark Souls 1 in particular, fantastic game. It's great. It struck a chord with gamers. People wanted higher difficulty.

To me, there's no reason to not have both. I don't know why FromSoft software has never decided to just go in with more story make it like star wars jedi fallen order or something now paul need i remind you that george rr martin contributed to elden ring yeah he signed the checks blows my mind yeah yeah it helped him get checks too because just put his name on it just yep that's exactly i wish i could argue with paul but when he makes points like that, I can't. And as much as I love Dark Souls, he kind of has a point. I don't like it when Paul makes good points.

So I'm all about it. But yeah, I still never played, because I don't like hard games, like games that are hard. And I love story, and I've always learned, like, that's not a story game. And I'm like, but the dude has a shield and a sword. Like, that should be a great story, just because he has those things. like, that's not a story game. And I'm like, but the dude has a shield and a sword. Like, that should be a great story just because he has those things. No, it's not. Yeah.

And you do love certain Souls-like games, Michael. You love Steel Rising. You love Jedi Fallen Order. And those are Souls-likes, but they also... Is Fallen Order Souls-like? Yeah. Yeah. Guys, I love Souls-like games.

Let's get more of them. Yeah! With lightsabers. It's Michael's new favorite genre. Yeah! Join me. Together we can rule the galaxy father and son wait uh you're my dad i am older so yes the beard uh so souls one's my pick all right michael coming back to you i think i only mentioned this once but i definitely was very vocal about this game on one show and that is the fifth entry

into the elder scrolls franchise a little known game called skyrim which is preposterously overrated here's why first of all it's got a 94 on steam what that's really high like games don't get that high and don't get me wrong it's not a bad game and i i hate to say this because now i've i've done two games and my number one reason for not thinking that they're underrated or rated correctly is because they weren't as good as its predecessor but oblivion was incredible but more people talk about skyrim being the best elder scrolls game if you ask people oh what's the best uh even the best like uh medieval fantasy game dragons skyrim right but overall the main story didn't seem to have a lot of great moments i remember when i finished

that game i was like that's the end that that's the ending like the protagonist everything's about him in oblivion you're saving the whole world i don't know it's just it didn't have that same behavioral system which which really i fell in love with with uh oblivion where you walk around and depending on what you've done what choices you've made npcs regard you differently also the landscape was all snow there was just snow everywhere there wasn't any green lush spots nothing like that if it weren't for the mods i don't think i would have finished this game uh skyrim gave us some awesome memes you can't deny that yeah that's better memes than oblivion hey you you're finally

awake you were trying to cross the border right that? That is, okay. So, okay. That's why it's not a bad game. It's just overrated. I think when Skyrim first came out, it was pretty revolutionary. I think nowadays, you know, even though mods have kept it alive and you can still definitely get into Skyrim

if you've never played it. Like, I think I get it. It was just, it was the scale of that game and the fact that it had dragons that you got to fight and talk to. There was something in every little corner if you were exploring. But I also get that it was lacking in a lot of ways. So I get the take that maybe it's a little overrated because I think you could have made it better, but I think at the time that it came out, it was pretty darn great, too. I mean, they didn't change anything about the combat. The combat was the same. I just feel like if you're going to keep it mediocre and pedestrian, at least make a really good story.

It just didn't have a great story. But dragons, Michael! Dragons, man! That's it. That's it. Just dragons okay i'll go watch i'll go play how to mobile how to train your dragon to you i'm a little surprised i was looking up some stats on skyrim and it has sold 30 million copies which actually puts it below things like super smash brothers ultimate on the switch i'm kind of surprised i would have thought all these years later that skyrim would have blown it out of the water um but yeah is that is that just for steam or is that all platforms like it's all platforms according to wikipedia yeah wow which might be wrong who knows you know wikipedia is

always right citation needed yeah yeah i i'm with you michael in that i prefer to oblivion to skyrim skyrim i think is still a great game um but it's definitely a step down within the elder scrolls series i thought moving on to our next one josh we're coming back around to you all right i'm gonna apologize to everybody between the ages of like 22 and 9 right now i think we know what that is because uh this game as much it, this might be, well, it is the best-selling game of all time. It is one of the most beloved games of all time. Yes, I have played this game. And yes, this game is drastically overrated.

And that is a game called Minecraft. Right. Before we did the show, actually, I messaged Paul and Josh and said, I might have a game that people are going to be happy we're leaving the show that i'm leaving the show this is the game that i didn't want to say and you said it well i'm not scared man i'm not scared i said i'm not afraid anymore do you hear me i'm not afraid anymore minecraft i get it what it What it does, it does great. It's a sandbox. You know, I had a sandbox in my yard when I was a kid and I'd loved going out and playing in it, man. But you know what? Sand is still just sand. And you know, yeah, you got to use your imagination and you need toys

to play with. And if you just sit in a sandbox and all you have is sand, it's boring. And so I get it that you can do so many different things in Minecraft. But let me tell you something. The mechanics in Minecraft suck. The jumping sucks. The combat sucks. The only thing that is redeeming in Minecraft is that you can do whatever you want. It has a creative mode and it has a survival mode. And you dig and you find diamonds and you go, woohoo! And then you make diamond armor find diamonds and you go, woohoo. And then you make diamond armor and maybe you go fight the ender dragon at some point. Like the game is so overrated that they had to make up myths about Minecraft to keep people interested.

Like, oh, Herobrine. Maybe you'll see Herobrine in your Minecraft server. Like my kids used to obsess about that stuff and I get it and I've played it. I'm not saying Minecraft is a bad game. Don't get me wrong. Because it's a fun game. It can be. I mean, there's people that play this thing for thousands and thousands of hours. What I am saying is that for what it is, Minecraft is drastically overrated. So I agree with all those points. My biggest thing on it was it's just a sandbox game. And I know that it's great. But why are people spending 10,000 hours in this? And also, if you think about it this way,

the Metacritic score on that game is 93. God of War 2018 has a 93 Metacritic score. Which one's better? Yeah. I'm going to vote God of War. Yeah, right. Because it's actually a complete game. And that is the definition of overrated. It's rated too high. Let me bring up one other point on this real quick. How is when your game is the worst graphics in a video game that your game still runs like garbage? Minecraft is the least optimized graphically terrible game I've ever seen. You know what? They're like, ooh, we've added RTX ray tracing for Minecraft.

Yeah, NASA can't run that, guys. Right. I think that it's funny because I hate to say it, but Roblox is better. You can do more. And it has sandbox. 10 o'clock. This is 10-year-old Michael speaking, of course. But Roblox, they have sandbox. You can do so much in that game.

It's also a kid's game. I will say there are things people have done in minecraft that i think are very interesting you'll see people recreate entire cities and i've i've seen videos on like mr beast and stuff that my kids have on and i walk by and they're reviewing like some of the best worlds people have made in minecraft and that stuff's incredible where you can tell people poured their blood sweat and tears into these worlds for countless hours. And they look amazing. At the end of the day, when you play a sandbox game like that, it's only as good as what you know what to do within that world. I remember as a kid, I didn't have a lot of Legos.

But I remember I would always lose the instructions. And I had a bucket of Legos. And you know what I did with them? Nothing. I would build a tower. It's the only thing I could build. All right. Six-year-old Paul had zero ability to do any kind of architecture and I could build a tower until I ran out of Legos and I would destroy it and put it away. So when you hand a game like Minecraft to me, when I am wired with my math and science brain, there is zero creativity here between my ears. I don't know what to do with Minecraft. So to me, it doesn't provide anything that I'm looking for, which is why I'm so glad

no one's chosen it as a legendary game because I don't want to trash it on a full deep dive. It's just not for me. Well, you know what other games, there's another game, a lot of other games out there you can build really well. Like you can build in rust you know what else you can do in rust you can fight you can die you can die again you can die again you can die again all right i like that pick josh and i'm with you i also think it's very overrated personally all right coming to my next pick here i am gonna go ahead and say it is overwatch 2 oh now you might be wondering how can a game that has a user score on metacritic of 1.6 be overrated is it really a 1.6 oh my goodness because it's on battle.net, right? So there's no Steam rating.

So I looked on Metacritic and it's a 1.6 from users. Wow. I still think it's overrated. And it's also because of how many people play. I looked it up. 26 million people have played Overwatch 2 within the last 30 days. Wow. And that was before Life Weaver released along with the rotation of maps. I bet that number is gonna jump i wouldn't be shocked if it's 30 million or higher now within the last 30 um it's

one of the most popular games today but i think we've got 26 million people who are stuck in a bad marriage and don't know how to quit because i'm one of them i play overwatch 2 on a daily basis and i so rarely enjoy it i wish i knew how to quit you i i too play overwatch 2 um i i have a confession guys for the first time ever i bought i bought the battle pass because i wanted to play what i i i'm not proud of it i i I'm not proud of it. I, I, I'm not proud. I'm, I, you know, but I played three matches with Life Weaver before we recorded today. How was it? Uh, I, I kind of like it. You know what, Josh? You should have just come.

You should have just complained to me. I'd have bought you the battle pass. So at least you could have held onto your integrity. No, I, I, but I'm with you, Paul. I said the other day, I have the biggest love-hate relationship with Overwatch 2 because I get that one game where it's just so awesome, man. And then I go chasing that feeling for the next six games and wind up hating myself. Dude, that to me is the number one issue. When people ask why, because Overwatch one was not a perfect game by any stretch.

There are reasons why characters got completely retooled over the years, right? You play Symmetra now. She doesn't look anything like at release and even other characters. I mean, there's people who are shocked to hear that Sim used to be able to throw out six centuries. My goodness.

You had six all over the map. You had a teleporter as an ultimate, you know, and her beam would lock on and do Zarya damage if it were a magnet. So it's like Blizzard was always pretty good at rebalancing and retooling characters. Yes, there were issues with certain seasons like GOATS, right? GOATS famously really sucked. At the end, were shields too powerful? Yes, of course. But Overwatch 1 is number three on our leaderboard. I mean, that is how much we loved Overwatch back in the day.

When I play Overwatch 2 now, my biggest number one issue is that the matches are so one-sided that 95% of the time, I know exactly who's going to win that match within the first 60 seconds. It's very true like josh we were talking about i think just yesterday that well it was right before life weaver released i would log in and the queue time was less than a minute for tank dps and heels why let me wait two minutes and give me a fair match don't just pop me into an immediate game i would way rather wait two to three minutes and actually have it go to overtime or have some competitive matches.

I'm with you. 1.6 baffles me, to be honest. That's so low, but I also get it. I still have friends, particularly one good friend of mine that's like, hey man, come on, hop in, play Overwatch 2. I played enough of it, honestly, i i touched it once since the beta like i just i just didn't i don't know i enjoyed it i thought it was all right what about me just

wants to go back to what it was before because it just didn't seem as like it seems like they're also am i wrong on this are they more frequently tweaking overwatch 2 to try and fix some of the balancing issues it seems like they just can't get it right. Now that it's free and live service gaming, they're going to have to tweak things. So we're supposed to get a new character or a new map every season. I will say I like that they do rotate the maps. But yeah, Overwatch 2 to me is very easily overrated at this point. All right.

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This is a sad day, guys. I had to do some reflective self-reflection on this and wonder why I am exactly this person I'm about to talk about who thinks that Myst is in his top 10 or believes that Myst is actually probably in his top five so here's the thing the game on steam has a 95 i'm sorry an 89 which is it's the re-release the 2021 version which is playable because the original is not playable anymore by any stretch of the words of playable it's not and don't get me wrong it's one of my all-time favorites but the more that i thought about it it's just it's not that it's a product of its time because it was really the first thing to do this and remember it did basically invent the cd-rom drive yeah

it's like al gore invented the internet we'll give everyone the credit um but the whole thing is the more i look at it i'm like the level design seems forced and oddly placed the main story is okay for 1993 but it's really not that deep i think the emotional high that i get from playing this game is just because it was one of the first games to really do something like this where you're like what's happening what's going on i gotta solve this puzzle but sometimes the puzzles were too hard to even figure out almost everybody i know had to go and just try to like figure it out some way or use some kind of cheat guide which was really hard back in 99 1993 because the internet wasn't what it is today you had to really dig for things back then um honestly here's the thing i still love it the reason why i think it's overrated is because

grim fandango and talos principle are probably just much better choices right now grim fandango you know it's funny it has better characters it's aged much better talos now. Grim Fandango, you know, it's funny. It has better characters. It's aged much better. Tallest Principle I've never played from what I hear from Josh, it's the game that I should play on my VR headset next if I like Myst. And I just think that there's a lot of people like me that will go to their graves saying that Myst is one of the best

games of all time, when really I think it's not. But I do. But I don't. But I do. But I don't. My memories of Myst as a kid was just wandering aimlessly not knowing what to do so to me that's the missed experience in my head while at the same time i know the history of the game and how much adults loved it but for me at the time i just remember it being so dreadfully boring and not knowing what to do. Yeah. I actually liked it more when you gifted it to me in VR like a year or so ago, Michael. I liked it

more then than I did originally. And you think I would have my mind blown when it first came out. But I'm with Paul. I remember wandering around going, these graphics are great. This game sucks. Yeah. Look at all these pictures. It looks so pictures yeah it's just not what it used to be which which makes me sad because it was a great game but i don't know there's just so much better out there now absolutely true i'm gonna agree with you on that one michael all right well we're gonna take our last short break and we'll be right back okay we are back josh it is your pick oh man cover your ears paul uh i'm gonna i'm gonna finish alienating all of the world here um with this next pick let's see so far i've gone super smash brothers minecraft and now i'm going world of warcraft oh because let me tell you something man all i hear from you whippersnappers is how great

world of warcraft is oh everybody i know played world of warcraft for six years straight and loved every single second of it i've played world of warcraft i have played a lot of mmos in my day i i mean i have probably i'm not going to sit here and go through them all, but I have played at least 10 MMOs for a good bit of time. And then probably more than that for a little bit of time. But listen, I am not saying that in its heyday, World of Warcraft was not a global, earth-shattering, popular game. But as an MMO, it is so overrated. It is so kiddied down with the grass. See, Paul and Michael are typing to each other here going, Josh just lost everybody. He's like, everybody hates Josh now.

Just sing the praises of EQ. Go ahead. And I'm not even going to bring up EverQuest. Go ahead. No, because he said it. I'm not going to bring it up because I don't want to make that comparison of like, oh, games back in my day were hard. What I am saying, and I have played MMOs after World of Warcraft as well. I get it.

Everybody in the world was playing it that made it special. But between the gameplay, the graphics, how easy it was, everything was simplified. And before you jump in with your raids, Paul, with Vanilla WoW and all that stuff, I get that some of the raids were difficult, and that's good. That's a redeeming quality. But I have played World of Warcraft from a new character, and I get that it's a lot easier when it wasn't Vanilla WoW.

I was gifted a level 80 character by a friend of ours, so I got to experience a lot of the endgame stuff. There just wasn't much about it that really jumped out at me as like a lot of the endgame stuff. There just wasn't much about it that really jumped out at me as like, this is the best thing ever. But this is the whole point. Anyone who's played World of Warcraft

needs to know that you first played Cataclysm. You didn't play Vanilla, Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King. If you jump in on Cataclysm, yeah, the game had kitty gloves. You didn't experience those first several. It would be like, I don't know, you joined it six years late. I don't know what to tell you. I think if you had played it back at release, you would have liked it before it got dumbed down. They absolutely dumbed the heck out

of World of Warcraft. My son James picked it back up. He maxed out a character in like four days. It's preposterous how now it's even worse. But I think a large reason for why your experience was so bad is that you just joined too late. Yeah, I did not realize that Josh started that game so late because I started in the very end of Burning Crusade. So I was not vanilla either. I played vanilla later on when they re-released it as these semi-emulated servers where it would progress through time and I was like, this is awful. I never

want to do this again. Thanks. I called it dumbed down EverQuest, but it was actually pretty hard. It's funny though, Josh, by the way, I was typing to Paul and I said, I'll give you $20 if he doesn't bring up EverQuest. Oh, well, I was not going to bring it up until you guys mentioned it. So technically he owes you $20, Paul. Yeah, but I might owe him $20 if he doesn't bring up EverQuest. Oh, well, I was not going to bring it up until you guys mentioned it. So technically he owes you $20, Paul. Yeah, but I might owe him 20 bucks.

But the funniest thing is, I didn't realize... I agree with both your takes. I really do. But I think that if you played it early on... My best memory, my favorite memory of all, this was its pinnacle, I really think, was the Frozen Tower, the Lich King fight, that whole 12 bosses there with both the wings and i just thought that that was the absolute pinnacle of that game and after that it just started going downhill i remember cataclysm was i think when they started dumbing down the skill trees where you couldn't put like it was like i literally had my buddy dan who found i think i've talked about this before where he found a way to make a fury warrior like

just so strange and everyone's like your build's not going to work. And he was not only just top DPS on the server, like a third better than the second place person, because it was such a wild mathematical combination he did. And they switched to using the Diablo-esque formula of here's the tree, here's three things you can pick at each level in Cataclysm. And it really did dumb it down a lot. So I do understand Josh's point, but I also understand Paul's on this one. Yeah, and I don't disagree with Josh that Kitty Gloves WoW is not the greatest MMO experience. So yeah, I think we are in agreement there as well. It should take a month in an MMO to get the max level character, period.

Bold statement. It should take a month. A month of like eight hours a day. Four hours a night. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hey, let me ask you a question, though. period bold statement it should take a month of like eight hours four hours a night yeah exactly yeah hey let me ask you a question would war the warcraft be better if it had lost ark's combat uh well i mean i like the mmo combat kind of lost ark was unique in its combat system which was a lot of fun and carried the game in my opinion but i kept waiting for lost ark to be harder too and it never really

did so no it really didn't i guess my question is more geared towards like world of warcraft's mechanics on fighting are very old you know the tab targeting the aiming that just click these buttons through rotation i'm okay with is that i am too i like them i see merit in both of them but i wasn't sure if that was one of the hangbacks for you is that it's just kind of an archaic system now. Yeah, and I know we've talked about it before, but the MMO experience when you actually

had to strategize and come up with really complex plans in order to beat certain bosses was so much fun. That was the best. It's the best. Yes. For me as a healer, we had different groups of healers and it's okay you guys are healing the main tank and when you're out of mana then you're gonna step back and now paul you and this other guy now you're gonna step in and heal and then we're

gonna cast uh whatever the ability was called like innervate okay these druids you're gonna innervate these healers at this time and then we're going to do mana wave with the shaman and all that stuff was so neat and all of that got lost over time especially once they added the raid finders uh then you just popped in and it was all you know incredibly easy so all right well i'm gonna i'm gonna pay you back right now josh i'm gonna be very careful in how i word this i I'm going to say The Witcher 3. What? Now, here's the thing. It is one of the best games of all time.

I wholeheartedly agree with that. Okay. That's on record now. Yes. Permanently, forever. Michael's first episode when he joined as a permanent host, or semi-permanent host um we all had take the dagger out we all we all had the witcher three in our top 10 i had it at seven

michael had it at four josh had it at three here's the thing though there is a huge swath of people that will argue until they're blue in the face that The Witcher 3 is the best game of all time, and they will not entertain any argument otherwise. There are people that just take things a little too far with The Witcher 3 and pretend it's a perfect game. It is not a perfect game. People who talk about The Witcher 3 are the same thing that happened 10 years ago with CrossFit. The first rule of CrossFit is you can only talk about CrossFit. That's 100% right. So, you know, story is not the issue. The Witcher 3 has a fantastic story. I love it. I love the choices and the consequences of those choices. It knocks all that stuff out of the park. The open world is good. There's a lot you can do out there. I'm totally on board with

that. The combat is fine. It is a little formulaic it's a lot of just swap to the right weapon swap to the right sign and then you can get through the fights uh it's just you know riding roach sucks in the game the first opening hours do suck we've all we all three of us i know agree with that we tell people the first six hours of this 50 hour game are pretty slow and they kind of suck. Well, that's more than 10% of the game is kind of like avoidable if you had the choice. And I didn't like when you play as Ciri.

When you get that whole chunk when you play as her, I didn't care for that either. So I still think it's one of my all-time favorite games, but I think you can very easily make arguments for other games over The Witcher 3. I'm more so poking fun at people who just have deaf ears to any other argument. I'm not going to say you're wrong, Paul, honestly. I'm just going to say, shut your dirty mouth. Witcher 3 is the best. So remember when we did the bonus round on IGN's Top 100 Games of All Time? Yes.

They had The Witcher 3 at 16, which is like a really, really high honor. You're putting it in the top 16 of all time. People went ballistic over that. They're like, how dare you put this game as low as 16? And it's like, that's not an insult. You're putting it in the top 16 of all time, but people felt personally insulted by that.

I will say one thing also you know how when you play big rpgs when there are major stakes involved like the world's gonna get destroyed or there's like an apocalypse or whatever and then you just start yucking it up with the locals fetching carrots and stuff for side quests. All right. The Witcher 3 might be one of the all-time worst offenders of this because nothing ever forces your hand in The Witcher. It's just like all the bad guys. The Wild Hunt, they're just sitting back waiting for you to go do what you need to do. I will say, for all of the faults in Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2 has one thing that I thought was amazingly clever. There is a section when half of your ship get kidnapped by the collectors. If you go do a single side mission and then go to rescue them, half the crew's already dead because you delayed

rescuing them. If you want to save your whole crew, you have to immediately go and follow them or else there are negative consequences. I want to see RPGs build more stuff like that into the games. Don't just sit around and let me force the enemy's hand. Oh, but please warn me first. I would be so destroyed if I didn't know that this could possibly happen. Because in every game, there's no consequences. Like, okay, Oblivion.

I got to close these Oblivion gates or I can help this lady get her basement not full of rats. Okay, well, I'll do the rats first because that's an easy level up on the way to Oblivion. Oh my goodness, the Oblivion gates swallowed up half the universe. I didn't know that would happen.

Yeah, so that's why I wanted to nominate Witcher 3. Fantastic game. I don't know that it's number one of all time. That's my only argument. All right, well, we're very quickly running out of time here. Michael, this is probably the last one that we'll be able to spend a few minutes on, and then we'll do some honorable mentions. What you got?

Well, it would be an episode of the Multiplayer Gaming Podcast without me pooping all over Zelda Breath of the Wild, would it? I was going to say, if you don't mention this sometime during this episode, we're just going to have to go long. I got to bring it up. Oh, let me say something else first. You mean IGN's number one game of all time, Breath of the Wild? Oh, wow.

Yes. And that is the reason right there. People talk so much about how great this game is. It was good. Don't get me wrong. But its flaws to me did not outweigh the overratedness of this game. Like, they did outweigh the, whatever, pick whatever gets my point done. You know I have a hard time with words.

I just, I thought that, you know, some of it was, I didn't feel like it had part of the magic that the other Zelda games had. I feel like the story, like, you know, hey, a hundred years have passed. We got stuff going on with Ganon, or for Ganon, and go do stuff. And also, the open world was kind of boring. I just, that's my biggest problem with it, is you've got an open world game. You're touting your open worldedness, and there's

just not much to do out there. It's one of the reasons I'm so excited about the new one, is you get to, like, find things and combine them and make crazy weird combinations. At least put something like that in there. You know, like a really long pitchfork. I've made a stick. I have a pen.

I have an apple. I have pineapple pen. Come on. You guys didn't laugh the first time. I don't know what that is. Even though Paul put the clip in there, I still didn't know what that was from. That's the first time I saw it. I said to myself, I think Michael must be referencing something or else this is gibberish so i took to youtube i found the clip i was like uh this must be what

michael's talking about it was huge i was so surprised when i when i said it the first time that there was no reaction like you guys don't know pineapple pen no but anyways um that's my biggest thing about it is just it everyone thinks it is the greatest thing that's ever happened okay it might be like the third or fourth greatest thing that's ever happened to the switch but overall it's not even in my top 10 open world games because if you're gonna be open world don't make it super boring so i don't i don't find it super boring first of all the divine beasts are incredible my biggest complaint is that there's just not enough. I think there's only four if memory serves. There should be like eight minimum. But there is so much to do in Breath of the Wild. This kind of boggles my mind because you have all the towers to clear out. I love the

cooking and the exploration. And you can just see a mountain. Hey, I'm going to climb that mountain. I wonder what's up there. And you can go do it. i i love breath of the wild i think it's pretty much a perfect game my issue is half the time you went to the top of the mountain what was up there probably nothing just the top of it's just flat and there's green floor some more food that i can cook up in in breath of the wild which for my money might still be one of the best cooking systems of all time just throw a bunch of stuff together and half the time you'll get a delicious radish stew or bread or something like that. It's not without merit, but I was

kind of bored. I hear you. I tend to agree with Michael on this. I'll just say that, I'll make it quick, but there's a lot of games that I have very fond memories of or can remember very specific parts of a game. Breath of the Wild was a very, very fun game to play.

I mean, it's top-notch, but it doesn't have those places in my memory that a lot of other better games have. My best memory for Breath of the Wild is taking on a Lionel for the first time and being like, what the heck is that? It's a giant centaur looking thing and fighting that guy for like the next hour, you know, but being really amazed by that part of it. Like the puzzles are great. The divine beasts are great. Like everything about it is great, but I agree it is overrated. All right. Well, to wrap up our show here, Josh, do you have a list of honorable mentions? That way we can anger the last four people listening. Well, Breath of the Wild was my next one in case Michael somehow forgot to bring it up. of honorable mentions that way we can anger the the last four people listening yeah well breath

of the wild was my next one in case michael somehow forgot to bring it up you know we have a reputation to protect here um fortnight listen i get what fortnight did for the world but the game it's it's simple it's gotten really really dumb lately with people swinging around and laser swords and all that stuff i don't know um and then undertale i know that's a lesser known game but people that play undertale and love it absolutely love that game beyond like anything else in the world and i have played that game that game sucks man i'm with you um and then just to get spicy i had tetris the sims call of duty five nights at freddy's yeah what's your beef with tetris screw tetris man that game's terrible it's a packing simulator man we just lost all of our russian fans every single one of them

oh man i hated tetris i'm not good at it i don't you know what it is i don't have anxiety in life like tetris gives me anxiety man it's like the shape's just falling and i'm like i don't know where to put it dark souls no problem tetris is tetris a souls like is this i don't know man i never liked tetris uh some of my honorable mentions here all the sonic games you guys already know how much the three of us think sonic is overrated my list that's That was one of my honorable mentions. There you go. Gone. Yeah, it takes two.

I've already shared this in the past, but let me just read the Game Awards Game of the Year winners since it started. Tell me if any of these stand out. Are you ready for this? Dragon Age Inquisition, The Witcher 3, Overwatch, Breath of the Wild, God of War, Sekiro, The Last of Us Part II, It Takes Two, and Elden Ring. three overwatch breath of the wild god of war sakiro the last of us part two it takes two an elden ring one of these things is not like the others there's one game there that definitely stands that's pretty funny when you read that list like that man yeah a couple others donkey

kong country on super nintendo uhologies to Josh Outer Wilds. Apologies to Michael Horizon Zero Dawn. How dare you? Escape from Tarkov, Tekken, Final Fantasy VII, Devil May Cry, Ori and the Blind Forest, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Bayonetta, Monster Hunter, Crash Bandicoot. Oh, Monster Hunter. Wow. Put that on my list real quick.

Monster Hunter, I just, I don't get. It's not for me,'s not i didn't get it either it's it's it's wild what about what about you michael any honorable mentions uh i move sonic off the list let's see uh all the lego games especially lego star wars just repetitive just the same game over the too easy follow the the act too easy following the activision uh thing uh call of duty the call of duty series just hasn't seemed to advance the drama the genre at all in the last i don't know 20 years and it just played uh battlefield 5 instead any battlefield game really except for 2042 um god of war the original the og which people still say it's the best those people are wrong uh it has a 90 it has a 94 on metacritic or 94 that's the critic score i guess or 9.4 i i found a lot of the yeah 9.4 um apparently i was just adapting everything to the steam scale but uh

which ties it with god of war 2018 had bad humor repetitive combat need the sex need i say more um it's a nostalgia thing like mist um and a way out which it's funny because every time i ask a way out is part of a niche genre of rare games nowadays, which is called couch co-op. But every time I ask someone, hey, what's a good couch co-op to play? Someone's like, oh, A Way Out was great. No, it wasn't. There's no shortage of couch co-ops that are better. I feel like this game was underbaked.

Sneaking in the beginning was fun, but go quick. Then you get to drive, and that was bad. Then you use guns, and that was bad. And don't even get me started with the button mashing ending. All right. Fair enough. The button mashing ending was really bad in a way out it was a little bit of a cop out i get not liking a way out its gameplay was was a little it was it was okay it was kind of up and down yeah it's just a lot of things okay like the driving was okay the the guns like when you're running around with the guns like the clunky weird aim you know dude the best was that they had an open window right next to the metal detector to walk in and out for themselves and so it was like yep oh well i i took this screwdriver from

the you know the engineering bay or whatever they call it in a prison and then josh and i were like here you go and we would just hand it you know through the open window and then you'd walk through the metal detector that was the worst security i've ever seen in a prison let's just say that don't check the laundry carts either never that too yep all right well i think that wraps up today's bonus round we do want to say once again just a very special thank you to michael we absolutely love and appreciate you immensely one last reminder it's a sad day and uh one last reminder for all our listeners to go check out our patreon if you haven't yet at multiplayer squad.com we hope that you guys will join us for episodes on thursday and saturday and then we will be back doing a deep dive on the resident evil for remake

the following week. Any closing comments, fellas. That was a fun one. I'm going to miss, going to miss everybody, man. We went out with a bang though.

We pissed off half of our, half of our fans. That's the way to do it, man. What a good episode, right? Michael to like, maybe I'll,

maybe I'll see the world. And now Michael's like, you know what guys, I think I'm going to leave. I just, I saw this one coming. I figured I'd just duck out real's like, you know what, guys? I think I'm going to leave. Hey, listen. I saw this one coming. I figured I'd just duck out real quick. And sometimes you got to do what you got to do,

even if it's a hard decision. Time to hit the old dusty trail. Well, about time for me to be hitting the old dusty trail. All right. Well, thanks once again to everyone. Until next time, happy gaming. All right. See you, everybody.

All right, everyone. Until next time, happy gaming. Alright, see you everybody. Alright everyone, live long and prosper. I have been and always shall be your friend. Live long and prosper.