Video Gamers Podcast - Mouse & Keyboard vs Controller (Game Court) – Gaming Podcast

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Gaming hosts Josh and Ryan present their cases to Judge John in this week’s Game Court segment, where we put the age-old debate on trial: mouse & keyboard or controller—which is truly superior for video games? Judge John hears both sides as we debate aim assist, gaming accessibility, precision, comfort, and more. Will PC purists reign supreme, or will console kings take the gaming crown? All the video game news you need, each and every week from the Video Gamers Podcast! Thanks to our MYTHIC Supporters: Redletter, Disratory, Ol’ Jake, Gaius, and Phelps Connect with the show: Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/videogamerspod Join our Gaming Community: https://discord.gg/Dsx2rgEEbz Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/videogamerspod/ Follow us on X: https://twitter.com/VideoGamersPod Subscribe to us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@VideoGamersPod?sub_confirmation=1 Visit us on the web: https://videogamerspod.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And you can watch every match for free on Dazon, starting on June 14th and running until July 13th. Sign up now at dazon.com slash FIFA. That's D-A-Z-N dot com slash FIFA. Hello fellow gamers and welcome to the Video Gamers Podcast. Court is back in session and we've got an incredible case for you today as we argue the age old debate of which is better, controller or mouse and keyboard. But first, some introductions are in order. I am your host Josh and joining me, he's the guy that plays everything with a controller including navigating the internet. It's Ryan. I was not expecting to navigate the internet. That's pretty solid one I do play everything other than I think Diablo on a controller

Really? Yeah. Thanks for that tidbit of information. I'm gonna bring up here in a little bit, right? You've given away too much already and Presiding over the fighting. I mean the debate today, it's the honorable and just, without a hint of bias, since he just got a PC and I'm sure he won't be partial to controllers or rule-based only on his recent past history with how much he loves walking and gaming or how he just now got into PC gaming and probably isn't 100% used to mouse and keyboard yet, but I'm sure he'll make a fair and impartial decision in

this case. It's Judge John. Thank you. Thank you, counsel. Thank you for using my entire proper set of honorifics there. I will request no less than that from opposing counsel. You got to have to say, it's very timely that Councilman Ryan mentioned his experience using keyboard and mouse with Diablo because I believe up until today that was my last experience using keyboard and mouse was Diablo 1. I'm gonna lose. Hey buckle up buddy.

I'm gonna lose. Alright well listen number one welcome in everybody to another episode of GameCourt. Guys, this is, we're having a blast with this, man. Dude, we gotta have like some sort of a sounder drop that we can put in for GameCourt too, where it is like, dun dun dun dun. I'm gonna get the people score. I'm just gonna be like, dun dun dun.

You know, just that. It'll probably avoid all the copyright filters if it's under like five seconds or something like that. But there you go. We got to set the tone here. People love it. So today is this is going to be a fun one because I mean, one of the fun things is to argue what you believe, you know, like to say, hey, man, I firmly stand on this ground and I will defend it. And it doesn't always work out that way. Sometimes we have a debate and it's like, okay,

well I could see both sides of this, you know, and so which side do you wanna debate? We even had somebody, I think it was Glitter Puff, a member of our community that was like, I wanna hear you guys debate something you don't believe in, you know? And I was like, I can do that, man. I can do that too.

But today, I think you and I are legitimately at odds on this Ryan. This is a good one I was super excited when when this one came to be because it's real like I 100% believe in controllers that's pretty much all I play with and then you opposing side you know you just mouse and keyboard with your charterists so yeah it'll be a good one. Yeah, it will be. And for people that don't know, these game court topics are actually voted on by our listeners.

Yeah. And so this is something that we love as well is, you know, is for our epic tier members and above, they get to vote on what they want the game court debate to be. And so this topic was chosen by our listeners, which I think is fantastic. And so, you know, you asked for it. This is, this is the debate and I'm sure that, you know, we're going to have some clip on the internet, on social media of me being like mousing keyboards, great controller sucks. And then we're going to get ripped on there or, you know, all the hardcore PC gamers are going to come after you Ryan for playing all these games with controller that you shouldn't

be playing, you know, like shooters and rivals, you know, all these other games too. So John as judged, how are you feeling, man? Do you have, do you have any questions? Do you feel like you're going to stir the pot a little bit on this one? Are you really just gonna see how ryan and I approach this or councilman? First of all, you'll address me as your honor Oh your your You'll notice your honor. I always addressed you as honor your honor. I feel perfectly positioned to Weigh a measured and objective judgment on this.

You guys both know me. I believe in merit. I believe in voting with your dollars. And I think that's ultimately what we are talking about here is a simple, you know, sort of a simple merit based judgment call here. And I think I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to give you guys any clues As to my thinking on the subjects But I feel pretty well positioned to be able to measure judgment on this and I personally am going through a bit of a transition

From being a lifelong console gamer to now mostly a PC gamer So I have experienced a vast experience in one and newfound enthusiasm for the other have experience, vast experience in one, and newfound enthusiasm for the other. So I feel perfectly balanced for this. Your Honor, I would just like to inquire about the appeals process, should this ruling not go my way. The appeals process involves lots of pizza and cookies delivered directly to my house, preferably by a singing telegram. Done. Yeah.

Done. That is yourself. Hahaha! telegram. Done. Yeah. Done. That is yourself. Alright, well let's get to it Ryan. It's time for me to eviscerate you in this debate buddy. Um I guess we'll just start with opening statements. Uh Ryan, you know, you're the underdog in this situation so do you wanna go first? I would I would gladly like to go first. Okay. Your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the court, when it comes to comfort, accessibility and immersive gameplay, controllers have the upper hand.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, are you reading something? No, this is all right off the cuff for sure. No, no, I see you reading. You said you weren't prepared. What, your honor, I object. I object. This is, counsel said he was unprepared and was gonna wing it! Your honor, objection? Denied, denied, Councilman. You have the opportunity right now, as opposing Council, as reading to use your chat GPT to create your opening statement. You're bamboozled me, Ryan! I suggest that defending Council takes the opportunity to do so proceed Ryan. Thank you your honor

If it so pleases court, I will continue reading as I was Saying right from my brain no preemptive process Okay controllers have the upper hand over mouse and keyboard designed to fit naturally in your hands controllers offer analog precision vibration feedback and intuitive button layouts that make gaming feel more fluid, especially in genres like racing, fighting, and platformers. Their wireless freedom and ergonomic design reduces strain, allowing for longer, more enjoyable play sessions. Simply put, controllers deliver a smoother, more console-like

experience than many gamers, that many gamers prefer across a wide range of titles. I can't read cause Josh is making me laugh. That's all I have to say, your honor right now. That's my opening statement. That was a, that was a pitifully weak opening statement. Yeah. Thank you, your honor for being aware of this man's Sorry, Mike, my opposing council was giggling through the whole thing.

I was, I, well, I was giggling because I, you number one lied to me and said you were going to wing this and then you, you used AI to write your statements. Lawyer, lawyer. Hello. Allow me to show you how it's done counsel. Your honor, I am here to make the argument for mouse and keyboard as the superior input devices for all of your gaming needs. Are there rare instances where a controller is a better option?

Yes, that does exist. I will not deny the efficacy of a controller for certain games. I myself am a huge fan of Rocket League. I would never attempt to play Rocket League on a mouse and keyboard. In fact, amongst the Rocket League community, those people are considered crazy. Does a controller have its place in gaming? It absolutely does. Is it the superior device?

Absolutely not. Your honor, I would like to just go back in time for when Atari came out and controllers, joysticks had one button, but things evolved, your honor. And then they started having two buttons. And then the Nintendo came out and it had four buttons. And then the PlayStation came out and it had six buttons, your honor. And we can see the natural evolution

in the input devices that we use that say, hey, as we have gotten more options for input, things have gotten better. Games have gotten more complicated, complex, and immersive. A mouse is the perfect input device to pair with a keyboard because it allows you freedom in every direction and it allows you to focus on both movement and abilities, as well as input controls and timing. A mouse and keyboard is vastly superior in many games, amongst which at the forefront are first person shooters.

It is a proven fact amongst gamers that you aim better with a mouse and keyboard than you do with the controller. I'll get into evidence later. Number one, Ryan's kill, kill death count and Marvel rivals. He plays with a controller and it's terrible so you know I will use evidence and logic to prove my case to not only yourself but to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury as to why mouse and keyboard so objection objection erroneous erroneous on all counts

I play for the team my kill death ratio has no bearing on my skill or ability within the match said time. I am purely playing to win and I'm playing for my team. Your honor, if you- Councilman Josh, you will abstain from making personal insults against your opposing council. That's fair, your honor. That's fair, your honor.

I would just like to address his point that if he was truly a team player, he would play with the device that would allow him to be a better player. Declined, I don't know what that means. Declined, baby, yeah. You see Ryan, that's how an opening statement is done. All off the top of the noggin.

Yeah, you notice how I didn't interrupt you with little giggling like Your girl guys guys guys. I was trying they were equally anemic opening Yeah, you suck too, bro. Yeah Councilman Ryan since you Had your opening statement first. I will have you start with the floor, please Thank you, your honor. The first thing I want to bring to everyone's attention is

Ergonomics and comfort when you think of gaming you think of a good fun relaxing time You think of something that is enjoyable not strenuous Not something you have to sit at a chair for a long period of time sit Arched up with your hands up above, you know a waist level you want to have fun you want to enjoy yourself and Controllers offer that at every level from beginner to end. There's a reason these games started with controller. There's a reason Josh said it started with one button and it had advanced. We have very, very sophisticated controllers currently that can handle every input and every aspect of any game currently out today

and they are just beyond more comfortable than mouse and keyboard, and that is a proven fact. So is your defense that they're just more comfortable? That's one of my many defenses, sir. Because I thought we were talking about which device is the superior. One moment, Ryan. Are you conceding the floor at this point? Does that-

That is all, Your Honor. Thank you. Councilman Josh, your rebuttal please thank you your honor so Ryan your your argument that a controller is a councilman Ryan to use Councilman Ryan yeah I would like you guys to refer to me as Grand Emperor Josh from now on if if that's okay your honor objection grand grand sandy if you great grandstand anymore I will hold you in contempt of court I hold myself in contempt yeah why should you be any different look if we're if we're arguing the case of comfort for a controller like fine yeah you can hold

it in your hands you know that's one your hand that's one mouse a mouse I can hold a mouse in one hand. Guys, look at this. It fits perfectly. It actually curves to the palm of my hand. It fits so perfectly that all the buttons are accessible. It's amazing how something else, besides a controller, can be comfortable. But you brought up the buttons.

Let's just dive into that a little bit, Ryan, because how many buttons can you fit on a controller before it's not comfortable anymore? You can't, they're at the limit. They're adding triggers and bumpers and face buttons now. How many more buttons can you fit before you go, guys, this isn't tenable anymore because it can't work in this form factor.

You know what has 100 buttons? A keyboard, you know why? Because it works, they're all right there. Now, before you make the point, I would like to head off something because you're going to make the point that you can't walk slowly or drive well with a mouse and keyboard and games like Rocket League or any game that you might play with a controller is the best part is that you can just you can move the little stick. You can just move it a teeny little bit and then your character just slowly walks or you can do a small little turn or something like that. Sure that exists on a controller it's the only redeeming purpose of the controller is you can just go hey I don't want forward and back I want slowly forward.

Objection hearsay Okay, if that's hearsay, you can't make that point in the future. Yeah, so let me introduce you to something called linear keys guys Have either one of you and your honor this is not to question your your supreme intellect But but but are you either of you familiar with linear keys and keyboards? Do you know what they do? No. They function like a controller stick. The amount of distance that you push the key functions just like a controller stick.

So if you want to walk, you just gently press the key down a little bit and then your character will slowly walk. If you want to sprint like you would with a controller where you just push the joystick forward, you just push a key all the way. But they have that range of would with a controller where you just push the joystick forward, you just push a key all the way. But they have that range of motion that a controller stick has.

There's nothing a controller can do that a keyboard can't do. Councilman Josh, is this technology something that is readily available and prolific? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Linear keyboards exist. Google one right now. They're absolutely exist. Is this a standard with keyboards?

It is newer technology over the last probably three or four years. So no, your honor. So no, just let the record show. The answer is no. Uh, also AI has emerged in the last three or four years Ryan, and you use that to write your opening statement. So let me ask you this for precedent. Do you have a keyboard with this technology? I do not have a linear keyboard. I do not need a linear record. Show that this is not a widely adopted technology and is not readily available currently it is readily available it is not widely available and used and I will I will warn you I will caution you against talking over me Councilman Josh this is your last warning. Fair, Your Honor, fair.

This is your last warning before your next warning. Your Honor, please ignore my typing while I go to Amazon and just type in linear keyboard to show how many of these are available. Ryan, I cede the was going to approach, was the ability within controllers to have delicate processes through games. That is a standard. That is something that every controller has the ability to do. It is something that a controller that comes with your device, your sold bread and butter, this is what you play games on,

that device comes with that ability standard, it is not an upgrade, it is not something that you have to go out of your way to approach or search or find, it is what you have. So we'll move on from that and just concede, everybody can agree that controllers are better in that aspect. So moving along, moving along, I'm gonna go to vibration feedback. What do you get? One of the greatest things in games is having that immersion, feeling like you're a part of the game. What about a keyboard and a mouse gives you that response that a controller gives you. The haptic feedback, the rumble, the immersion that a controller, the audio we talked about in PlayStation's Astro Boy, fantastic. Your honor, objection.

Council doesn't even know the games that he's referencing at this point. I'm sorry, your honor. There's a lot to choose from with good responses with controllers. So I'm just going to go with Astrobot for now. So the sound ability, the haptic feedback, everything that a controller offers you within this game standard, you don't have to change anything. You don't have to buy anything. You don't have to download anything.

A controller offers you everything that it does. Mouse and keyboard does not. I concede the floor. So because it buzzes in your hands, you're saying it's better. That's for you to defend, sir. Okay. Well, there are mice that actually do have haptic feedback, but one of the reasons that they're popular- Do you have one?

No, I don't have one. But your honor, I was making a point until I was so rudely interrupted here. Okay, do you know the reason that's your first formal warning? Yeah, haha formal warning sucker. Yeah, drop your chalkboard. There's gonna be more So here's the issue there are mice that have haptic feedback to them they do exist you can google it right now They're out there Do you know why they're not common because Because they actually are a detriment to the skill level of the people that are using them. You don't want a mouse that is buzzing in your hand while you're trying to pop that nasty headshot on the enemy. You think you can 360 no scope on a controller? No, you can't do that. The precision that a mouse offers is vastly,

vastly superior to what a controller has, no matter what settings you play with. Ryan, I'd like to ask you something. Why does aim assist exist in the gaming world? Do I have to answer that, Your Honor? That's a valid question. Aim assist is around because, simply put, aiming on headshots are just a little bit easier with the mouse.

Why do you think that is? Why do I think it's easier to aim with a mouse? Yeah, why is it easier to aim with a mouse? If the controller is superior, why do you need aim assist to make it easier for people to aim with a controller? A controller as a whole is far superior. If you want to cherry pick certain aspects, you're welcome to do so. It is by far easier to aim on a mouse than the controller. Okay, so you do concede that a mouse is the superior input device? I've made my point known. Okay okay so I just just clarifying but

you want to concede that the mouse is the superior... You can clarify what you want I've made my point known. So councilman I'd like you to approach the bench please I have a couple of clarifying questions here. So get really close to the camera, guys. There we go. While people see your nose. Oh no. Councilman Josh. Yes, your honor.

You've made points surrounding the fact that the keyboard and mouse are more, how you'd say, versatile devices yes your honor partially because of the button count and and the different modes of input that a user can use what would you say to the counter argument that too much complexity can inhibit the experience of a gamer. I think that's a fair point, Your Honor. I'll use a game for reference, Star Citizen. You know, I think that Star Citizen is an incredible game,

but it is incredibly complex and difficult. It is a game that you absolutely could not play on a controller with the number of key binds that exist. Is there a learning curve? Absolutely. Is it a problem that's innate with the game itself being complicated? Absolutely. But could you play Star Citizen on a controller? Absolutely not. It would not work.

There are too many keybinds and by nature, a controller is limited on the number of buttons that it can actually have on the controller. And that is one of my arguments is that it is limited by the number of buttons that it can actually have on the controller. And that is one of my arguments, is that it is limited by the form factor itself. The very thing that people say they enjoy about it is a limiting factor to it at the same time. A keyboard, simply put, offers way more options than a controller does.

Councilman Ryan, do you have counterpoints to that? I would just like to say that many options are not always great options. Just because there's more does not always equal better. Having the ability to use your L button as some crazy attachment has no bearing on your ability to enjoy the game. I believe that with the controller, you have the core of everything you need right in your hands. You don't have to shift, you don't have to dictate,

you don't have to move everything. It is all right there, it is all consistent, it is usually always very close to the same, and it allows new players into the gaming world and in the gaming space to become gamers themselves. Thank you. And now Councilman Ryan, I have a question for you that I would like to then ask Councilman Josh

for a counterpoint on. So Councilman Ryan, one of the core messages that you have put forth in this court is that you believe the ergonomics of the controller are superior to the keyboard and mouse and You know, I must confess bias as somebody who has grown up largely playing controller based games Now switching to keyboard and mouse. It does feel a little counter intuitive, but objectively I must

recognize that there are far more keyboard and mouse users in the world just generally than there are controller users. And we're not just talking about video games, we're talking about people who work at desks for a living and use keyboards and mouses for eight to ten hours a day. You must concede that the ergonomics are at least workable and solvent for the vast majority of the population. What further evidence can you provide or argument can you provide for the superiority of ergonomics of a controller in the gaming space? That's a great question, your honor. And in the gaming space, as far as it goes,

you know, you talk about the workspace and people who type, who data input, all of those things, they're not gaming. There's far, far more people using a keyboard doing those things. But what do you hear about, your honor? You hear about carpal Honor? You hear about

carpal tunnel. You hear about mouse pads and keyboard pads. There's all these different ways to alleviate the stress and strain on using a keyboard and mouse for everyday use. This is not even gaming. This is just standard, no sweats, no stress, no strenuous workload. It's just standard data entry. These things happen regularly. They're constant. I personally have been affected by this within my family. But I will say you're not there for this or that. This is games and games are played on

controllers. Keyboards are for data entry for using a computer for web surfing, whatever you wanna do but games are played with controllers. Councilman Josh counterpoint. Uh your honor, I will address that counterpoint your honor but I would like to clarify a statement that I made earlier just for the accuracy of my argument and the record. Proceed. Your honor I called the the keyboards linear keyboards and that is actually the wrong term they are analog keyboards your honor. So the analog keyboards are the ones where depending on how much you press the the key down is the activation

like a stick on a controller. Here's the point that I would like- Councilman Josh, one point to that. So you made the argument that there are features that are available, although not widely adopted in the keyboard and mouse space to emulate the haptic feedback of a controller. Are you, Councilman Ryan, aware of any peripheral add-on devices that would supplement the diversity, basically add a keyboard functionality to a typical controller? I believe there was, I know of, I don't know if PlayStation had one, Sony,

but Xbox had a keypad that would plug into the bottom of your controller if you wanted to type, but other than that, it is not something that's needed. You can use your thumbstick and your analog joystick, you know, to set up your, your, any typing that needs to be done within the game. Understood. Councilman Ryan, please proceed with your counterpoint to the argument about the controllers. You meant me, Your Honor. So here is my point.

Wait, I want to apologize in my court. Don't correct me. I just saw Ryan's face where he was like, I don't know what I was talking about. And I don't know what to say. I'd like to point out your honor that I'd never corrected you. Just that's all. So sustained. Here here's the point that I would like to make over the years we have seen controllers attempt to evolve. And have they? Absolutely. You know, from the days of the, the original NES controller with two buttons in its rectangular shape through

the years, we've gotten the GameCube controller, the N64, you know, and we're at the best controller that's ever been made. The PS5 DualShock controller is hands down the best controller that's ever been made. But how did we get there? We're, we're, we're at the limit. So what we're doing is we're adding gimmicky things to the controller, like a speaker that is inside the controller. You know what? Most gamers wear headphones.

What do you need a speaker in the controller for if you have good headphones for good audio? The controller vibrates. Cool, man. Is this really the extent of the technology that we have to improve controllers at this point? Is we make them rattle in your hands because, hey, that's neat and that's cool. Keyboards and mice have evolved so much more throughout the years from the old ball, the, the ball that used to be in the mouse that would get all gummed up and you'd have to take it out and wash it.

Now mice use optical sensors. There's not controllers that are using optical sensors. We have mice that can connect to your game and have various profiles depending on the game. You can set the sensitivity in the mouse itself. Optical sensors, you know, number of buttons on the mouse, how fluid they are. They even have mice now where when you pick them up off of the mouse pad, they still track the mouse pad so that you don't lose your aim if your mouse is off of there.

I mean, the technology has advanced so much more. That's just a mouse. If we get to the keyboard side, you know, the one thing that the keyboards lagged behind on was not having like a controller stick on the keyboard itself. You know, now we have the analog switches. You know what you can't do on your controller is turn your volume up and down on your system. You know what you can't do? You can't navigate the Internet.

And I know that, yes, there are some games that are better with a controller. And I will not argue that fact that by nature, those games exist. But the same point can be made for other games with mouse and keyboard. You are not playing Civilization with a with a with a controller. It's absolutely not going to happen. Any strategy based game like Starcraft or a real time strategy game, you're not playing with the controller. It's absolutely not gonna happen. Any strategy-based game, like a StarCraft or a real-time strategy game, you're not playing with the controller.

It just simply doesn't work. Just like playing a racing game with a keyboard, probably not your best option. So that argument goes both ways. Thank you, counsel. So you guys have given me a lot to deliberate on. I would like to take a short recess and an ad break and resume with our closing statements please. We'll be right back. All rise. Court is now resumed.

You may- Ryan, quit flashing your chest. I'm trying to sway the judge. Right. Councilman Ryan, there'll be no overachieving in this court. Councilman Ryan, closing statement, if you please. Ladies and gentlemen, your honor, we've seen the facts. Controllers, they're not just tools, they're extensions of the player's intent. Designed for comfort and precision. Josh is laughing at it! You're trying so hard to make it look like you're not reading!

But you're still reading! You're still reading! They offer analog movement, pressure sensitive sensitive inputs and immersive feedback that mouse and keyboard simply cannot replicate. Controllers excel in genres that dominate the industry. Racing, sports, platformers, action adventure games, and provide consistent intuitive experience without the steep learning curve. While mouse and keyboard may have advantages in specific cases, controllers offer a more universal, accessible, and immersive way to play. The case is clear.

For more games and most games, the controller is the superior choice. That is all, Your Honor. Thank you, Councilman Ryan. Councilman Josh. Your honor, this proves why AI is not ready, your honor, because the arguments that AI just made for Councilman Ryan are clearly not even accurate. These features do exist on mouse and keyboard. Are they prevalent in a mouse and keyboard? No, but they do exist. If somebody wants an analog keyboard, they absolutely exist. You know, the whole case today is which is the superior option? Is it mouse and keyboard or is it controller?

And quite clearly in this case, mouse and keyboard is superior. Professional gamers do not use controllers because they're professionals and they understand what good equipment and the highest caliber of equipment does to a professional. You know, you look at the evolution of controllers versus the evolution of mouse and keyboard and the technology has come way further in mouse and keyboard than it has with controller. Councilman Ryan claimed that you can do anything with a controller and that's simply not true.

You cannot surf the internet with a controller. You cannot play certain games with a controller and that's simply not true. You cannot surf the internet with a controller. You cannot play certain games with a controller. So the argument that racing games and sports games are what win it for a controller are moot arguments because those same examples can be used for why a mouse and keyboard are superior in other aspects. The question at hand is what is the superior device? What is the superior way to play games? And while I do not question the comfort of a controller, this case is not which one's more comfortable.

The case is which one is superior. And in almost every aspect, mouse and keyboard wins. The reason that aim assist exists in games is because you... It's Ryan's holding up signs trying to sway the judge here. The reason aim assist exists is because controllers are proven to be inferior. And that alone is all that needs to be said. Games account for the fact that controllers

are inferior input devices and adjust their games accordingly and if developers know this and gamers know this your honor I would hope that you know this as well councils you have both provided very compelling evidence here today people of the court I would like to acknowledge some items here with regards to this case. I believe that in a fair economy that there would be room for both of these to exist. I believe that there is merit in either device and that there is a history showing that merit of the either device.

What this ultimately comes down to is a matter of preference and a matter of utility. My preference would always be controller. However, I must concede that on a non-biased utility based purpose, there are things that the keyboard and mouse can do that will simply be out of practical grasp for controllers to ever perform. And so the judgments of this court is in favor of keyboard and mouse. What? No, that is, that is garbage. No, no. So the judgments of this court is in favor of keyboard and mouse what?

That is that is garbage no no I will not accept this ruling first Yeah, throw your controller Ryan throw your controller. No I was gonna throw this because look at this see this thing This is what amazing. This is what keyboard users have to get to try to be like see that Oh, you know what that is That's what they have to use. No, that's an evolved keyboard. Yeah proves my point right there No, keep your continued to that is one of the coolest looking things ever. Yeah Exactly. I think you're making Josh's point. Yeah Do to try to be like Utility this is about playing video games. Yeah, respect your honor Trust me as somebody as somebody who has grown up with video games

It is so counter this feels immersive to me. Yes, everything right here simple and streamlined feels immersive to me But just because it feels that way to me does not mean that this cannot feel the same way to somebody else. When I weigh things on an objective measure based on their merits, this has utility that the other simply does not. Let me know when the console number pad, like putting numbers in as a utility. Let me, let me know when the, you're not talking numbers in as a utility. Let me know when the You're not talking about utility. You talk about video games. We're talking about Talking about utility within video games. I'll tell you what okay

You know what the dead on a control it is what it is when consoles start using keyboards and mice then you know what? It is I lost I got one more point. Have you ever had to search for a movie with your TV remote like to type in to type in where you have to yeah exactly you know what you can do with a mouse and keyboard password in look at this I'm watching a movie while you're still scrolling numbers and we should all play play video games with mouse and keyboard so that you can play your... Councilman Ryan, I want to say this. Is that sometimes as a representative of this court, I have to make decisions, I have to levy judgments

that I don't personally agree with. I prefer controller. I will probably always prefer controller. Partially because I'm a dummy and it's the easier to use device But I have to concede that there is just simply Functionality of a keyboard and mouse that may be out of my grasp as a person but exists that make it a more Utility friendly device than a keyboard than a controller and I have to concede that I don't like it, but I'm an objective Instrument of this court and my judgment has been made well

That's true your judgment has been made and in lieu of that you are a dummy Fun fact literally my kids who grew up playing video games will not use a controller they mouse and keyboard That's you though up with that's you though. But I'm just saying, but when they asked dad, can I play this game with a mouse and keyboard? And I go, uh, it's probably better with a controller. They go, yeah, I don't, I don't want to use a controller. Like they don't because it's the inferior device. They know this. Dude, courts over, courts over, bro. You can stop arguing courts over. And it's true. That is a hundred's true. That is up with like I'm I played Karen today, which is the first game in 30 years that I use a keyboard mouse for and

Like just moving forward and backwards using like the a and W I'm like what the heck is this it feels very counterintuitive to me to me It feels once you get used to it, John, you'll never go back. I just have to concede, there are a lot of, like, with my keyboard and mouse, I can stop doing this, pop up Discord and say, hey, Brett. Brett's gotten a lot of shout outs these last couple episodes. Hey, Brett! I feel like we're arguing something that I didn't prepare for. Oh, maybe you shouldn't have used AI to prepare for this.

No, no, no. didn't prepare for. Cause we would, we discussed that this was controllers versus keyboard and mouse for video games. And you guys keep talking about discord and like putting in passwords for your TV auxiliary arguments to whatever the point, whatever more this is a, if you talk about it within the context of gaming there are gaming experiences that you can have with the keyboard and mouse that you Cannot have with the controller There is actually a professional level rocket league player that plays with a mouse and keyboard and people think he's crazy But he does it it can be done like you're not playing certain games with a controller Yeah, again, right if there if there's a riot. I'm gonna be in your picket line, bro, but

That's fine They just be glad there's not a punishment tied to this one yet, right oh wait there is yes, Ryan you have to sing Baby shark offline oh hey that would be a good punishment example of what legendary support I'm actually lucky my kids my kids missed that by like a year or two so I didn't get the baby shark thing yeah like it'll be after the episode bonus content for yeah there you go awesome all right guys well court has ruled I have won yet again I I think I'm two two for one now man oh you lost again yeah I lost versus triple-a I won I lost both and then I'm a loser man. Oh No, wait No, cuz weren't you championing What was our first?

What was our first one? I was I was the judge John John. Yeah, that's right. You chose against me cuz yeah, I just won. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah Anyone that doesn't pick again pick you is biased whatever and then lost, I lost to Indies and then I also lost now. So just, I it's just against me is what it is. Ryan, triple A's and controller losing is, is ridiculous. Everybody out there. Let them know. Let them know.

Maybe this is a lesson to be a little more open-minded. I got this thing. What do you mean? I'm trying to learn keyboard. Ryan's red, man. Y'all gotta watch this video. Oh man. Also, he was holding up signs trying to sway the judge, which the listeners couldn't see either.

Ryan, you're still the cute one and no one can ever take that away from me dude. Yeah. Alright, we're leaving, that's it. This episode's over boys. This is getting weird. Hey everybody, thank you for hanging out with us. Let us know what you think is the superior option. Is it mouse and keyboard? Is it controller?

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