Video Gamers Podcast - Terribly Terrific Tears of the Kingdom (Zelda) - Gaming Podcast

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

Gaming Zonai Paul, Josh and Ryan are bringing you the long awaited Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Deep Dive. We jump into gaming’s latest blockbuster smash hit The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom. We break down everything from gameplay to story, the new innovations and the old rehashed content. Is this game truly the best thing to come along in recent years, or is it gaming's next over-hyped Nintendo product? Things get feisty as different opinions fly in this must listen episode. Video games covered this week:  The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom Thanks to our LEGENDARY supporters: Skippy, Kiitaclyzm, Gideon Is Lit, Toro, Scrump, Gaius, Remi, MarbleMadness, Dr. Catatonic, Blackstar (DQ), Glapsuidir, Phelps, Michele B, Redletter, Nevo, Waynerman, TFolls, AceofShame, Jake, RangerMiller, and Ad Connect with the show: Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/multiplayerpodcast Join our Gaming Discord: https://discord.gg/Dsx2rgEEbz Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/multiplayerpod/ Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/MultiplayerPod Subscribe to us on YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCU12YOMnAQwqFZEdfXv9c3Q  Visit us on the web: multiplayerpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I am your host, Paul, and joining me are my two Goros. First up, he can be found combining minecarts to his shield to go shield surfing around Hyrule. It's Josh. You know, you could have picked anybody, and you picked a Goro, Paul. I don't know if this is a comment on my dad bot at this point or what. I believe it's just slang for friend. So that was the intention for what it's worth, Josh. Okay.

All right. Well, all right. Cool. All right. Way to really save that. Got away with it all right and then joining me and josh even though princess zelda desperately needs him to go find her he's exploring and clearing out every shrine across the lands instead it's ryan yeah i'm not too worried about her i'm gonna do

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Let's deep dive Tears of the Kingdom. Okay, here's a description of the game on Wikipedia. The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom is a 2023 action-adventure game developed and published by Nintendo for the Nintendo Switch. The sequel to The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom retains aspects including the open world of Hyrule, which has been expanded to allow for more vertical exploration. The player controls Link, who must help Princess Zelda to stop ganondorf from destroying hyrule all right so let's start out by talking a little bit about our histories with zelda what's your guys relationship to the zelda series and did you play breath of the wild and what did you think of it um i i played i guess the first one i remember is actually with your uh with your wife my cousin cousin, Nikki. We played Link to the Past. Super Nintendo.

Yeah, way back in the day. And then Ocarina of Time, which I loved, mainly because I was 10. But that's about the extent of my Zelda life. You're making me feel old, right? Zelda life. I did play Breath of the Wild. Not a ton, because I just I don't know. I didn't get sucked in

like everyone else did. But yeah, those other ones were the ones that I liked a lot. Ocarina of Time, especially. What about you, Josh? Yeah, for me, it's funny, man. I've got kind of a love-hate relationship with the Zelda series. I mean, Ocarina of Time is on my top

10 list of best games ever. Honestly, I mean, Ocarina of Time is on my top 10 list of best games ever. Honestly, it's one of those where I just think that game was perfection at the time. Majora's Mask, phenomenal. The old school ones, Link to the Past and all those. I played all those. I loved all those. And then there's been some misses for me. I did not like Twilight Princess at all. I know, Paul, you really love Skyward Sword. I thought it was mediocre. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great. It didn't blow me away.

Played Breath of the Wild. Famously have always said I think it's a little overrated. That's not to say that it's not good by any means, but it's just I think some of the hype around that game is to this day still overrated a little bit. I don't think it's the good by any means, but I think some of the hype around that game is, to this day, still overrated a little bit. I don't think it's the best game ever made like a lot of people do. So that's kind of where I'm at with the Zelda series, man. Love some of them, really dislike some of them. I kind of take it game by game.

I am exactly the same way because there are Zelda games that I absolutely love and others that I played for 30 minutes and said I have zero desire to go any further. I know that feeling. Oh boy, buckle up everybody. All right, so here's the thing. I never played any Zelda games until I was an adult. I didn't have any video game consoles growing up and my first one was in high school and at that point I just didn't really care about zelda now as an adult i have gone back and i love link to the past i tried ocarina of time it's just so dated and the camera is really janky and i couldn't get into it um but for me the first one that i really sank my teeth into was the wind waker which i absolutely loved i think that might have been

what you were thinking josh because i actually oh never touched Skyward Sword, which is weird. I don't know anything about that game. I've never watched footage. I know that the remake came out, but other than that, I never engaged with it at all. Same with Majora's Mask. I did say Skyward Sword. I knew Wind Waker. Wind Waker is the one that you really liked. Yeah, especially the music. And then I absolutely loved Breath of the Wild. I mean, I loved every second of that game. I was crazy hyped to hear about, you know, quote, Breath of the Wild 2 being Tears of the Kingdom. Now, normally at this point in our deep dive, we talk a little bit about story. Do you guys care much at all about the plot of Tears of the Kingdom? Is there anything to talk about in Breakdown, or do we just want to talk about the gameplay? There's definitely a plot to Tears of the Kingdom, man. It's just really bad. I don't know that it's bad, but it's very limited. It's pretty bad, man.

The princess is in another castle? I've seen this before. Oh, no. What do I do? Yeah. Oh, save me link. Yeah. I was gonna say,

shockingly, you have to go find Zelda and you're going to have to defeat Ganondorf. I mean, every Zelda game ultimately boils down to the same plot. Yes. In this game, there are regional stories and side missions and characters returning from breath of the wild. But since we have limited time, I don't think we want to, quote, waste any time on plot.

So, all right, let's just try to rewind a couple of months in our minds. I know Josh and I talked a lot about Tears of the Kingdom leading up to it. Ryan, you hadn't joined us until just recently. But there was a time not very long ago when we didn't know hardly anything about this sequel. There was a lot of concern that it would just be like DLC for Breath of the Wild. I think a lot of people felt like, okay, is this just going to be Breath of the Wild with a couple of Sky Islands? Is that all it's going to boil down to? And I think a lot of people feared it would just be Breath of the Wild 1.5. Of course, now that we're past release, we know that's not the case at all.

This game incorporates a ton of new mechanics, a ton of new material to work through. The opening of this game starts out where you are on a sky island, which I think is very neat, and the game starts giving you some basic tutorials where you learn about dodging, swinging weapons, how to make a baked apple on a campfire, some very basic stuff. And then the game tells you that you're going to start to power up your arm by visiting a couple of shrines in order to exit the first area. And this is where the game starts spoon-feeding you these new mechanics that we have not seen in Zelda before and make it very different from Breath of the Wild. So let's start out by talking about the Ultra Hand ability. And then in a moment, we'll kind of also cover Zonai devices because these two are going to come into play together.

So starting just from the ground floor first, how would you guys describe the ultra hand ability and what can you do with it in the early game so this is like the new hotness right like ultra hand is legitimately what sets tears of the kingdom apart from breath of the wild um and this was i was not excited for tears of the kingdom all that much to be honest until they until we saw ultra hand and what it could do and fuse and all that much, to be honest, until we saw Ultrahand and what it could do and Fuse and all that stuff. So the way that this works is Ultrahand is basically a way to interact with objects in the world and kind of put them together. It allows you to build things. And it's crazy because the thing that really sets it apart is how intuitive it really is

in that regard. Like, hey, here's a fan, here's a platform, put it anywhere on the platform you want, rotate it any direction you want, put it underneath, make an elevator platform, put it behind, make a little jet. It really is just open to your imagination on what you can do with this. And for me, Ultra Hand is the thing that sets Tears of the Kingdom apart from Breath of the Wild. And not to pick on Paul a little bit, but you kind of entered that with tons of new content in Tears of the Kingdom, and it's old. And I'm like like is it like is it tons of new content because ultra hand is the new content otherwise this is breath of the wild so like that's we're

starting here josh we're starting to make me this mad this early that's not true that i'm not talking about the game itself i'm not talking about the game underground they literally doubled the map and they added sky islands dude this map is this map is the the map and they added sky islands this map is this map is the same map from breath of the wild yes they added a dark underground cave system they added sky islands which is great i'm not saying this is slanderous to the game itself but what i'm saying is for new content from breath of the wild to tears of the kingdom the only thing that is new is this ultra hand ability and what you can do with it the fusing of weapons you know yes those skills are the difference between breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom otherwise all the mechanics

are the same the map is basically still hyrule i mean every time i went to like the goron city or something i'm like i know this place i've been here before yeah so that is the difference to most people yeah you've got your ultra hand ascend recall all these new mechanics all right anyway we we can we can start to move on a little bit so the game does a very good job of just letting you play around with ultra hand first so you can just chop a couple trees and build a bridge and then that'll let you cross from like one cliff to another or you can pick up a rock roll it down a hill hit an enemy and it'll kill them you know it starts out very

basic but then the zonai devices is what really makes ultra hand a ton of fun because during basically the opening cut scene which is 20 minutes by the way ithand a ton of fun. Because during basically the opening cutscene, which is 20 minutes, by the way, it's a lot of cutscenes, for us saying that there's really no plot, there actually is a lot compared... That was the best part of the game. Compared to old Zeldas,

there's a lot more plot than normal, although it's still not a ton compared to like Red Dead or God of War or something. But basically there's this event called the Upheaval that kind of like unleashes all these Zonai devices out into the world. Kind of just think about engineering slash robot parts that kind of get spread everywhere throughout the world. And these basically run on power,

and Link has what's called an energy cell, and it lets you run your devices for a certain duration. And there are a total of 27 Zonai devices in this game. You get to unlock things like wheels, sleds, hoverstones, mirrors, springs, cannons, lights, water shooting fire hydrants, balloons, flame emitters, wings, I mean, all kinds of stuff. And when you start to combine this with your ultra hand ability, when you are building machines and vehicles and weapons, this is where the gameplay is completely different from Breath of the Wild. I think maybe the best comparison to this is that it's a very simplistic system, but the skill ceiling is

your imagination. I mean, you can do almost anything in a way. It's a little bit like Rocket League in that sense, where learning Ultra Hand takes seven seconds, right? Pick up an item, place it wherever you want, and click attach, and now it's combined. But as you start to get really creative and go outside the box with your thinking this is where you can start to build some truly magnificent things in the game and i think everyone's been like seeing videos like this on social media but i wanted to spend a little bit about just talking through what are some things that you guys built or what are some neat things that you saw online where ultra hand can really start to be an

interesting mechanic um i i mean i know you were spamming them in our discord feed oh yeah i really was all the crazy things people are building links left and right which was the only cool part of this game being able to build that stuff like i was reading some article about it and it's talking about ultra hand and it says ultra hand makes an open world with open solutions so everything you know like you said it's your only your imagination hold you back is you can really make pretty much anything you know you you can you can there's this one point where you can grab. I saw a video where this guy took these spike crushers, fused them together, and put them on wheels. And then he just would roll up to enemies and groups. And he would just smash them together.

And he would just go and just smash them. It was just like chomp, chomp, chomp as he ran through. I mean, that's one thing that was really cool about the game uh once you i mean it may take you a while to really get in the flow of how to use it and what to do with it and what things work best but i i thought that was a really cool aspect of it and in the details that they put in to to give you those options to make all these just crazy, crazy things. Every time you think you're going to get one up on them, I'm sure they thought of it before you made that. I will say, man, if the world is the sandbox, then Ultra Hand is all the toys that you want to have when you go to the beach or you're playing in a sandbox.

It's the shovel. It's the bucket. It's the little star-shaped mold. That's a good one. I mean, honestly, this is what sets the sandbox apart from just having a bunch of sand that you don't know what to do with at that point. I think this is one of the coolest things I have seen in a video game in a long, long time, man. And it really is only held back by your imagination. I'm not a super creative person, but if you give me a task and say, hey, figure out how to do this task,

I will figure it out. And that's what Ultra Hand does, dude. There were so many moments in this game where it was like, okay, I'm in a shrine and there's this puzzle. So I'm gonna build a tower that's 15 stories high so that i can jump over this wall to get to the end and it's like i don't think that's the way that this is supposed to be solved you know what i mean but like okay you can

do it you know and that's because there is no supposed to that's the beauty of it that is the beauty of it is it's like i think there okay, well, this is what we imagined. But they allow you to just run wild with this. And I'll say, because we may not be able to cover it, but part of that is just the ability to manipulate objects. You don't have to build skyscrapers and jet airplanes and stuff like that. One of my favorite moments in this game when I was discovering all this stuff was finding just a big iron grate and fighting this monster that was kicking my tail. And I realized that I could just grab the grate, hover it way up in the air, and then just drop it. Just let go. Stop using the ability. And that thing would fall and hit

the monster and take off like a quarter of its life. I'm playing this game with my wife and she just loves... She's like, oh my goodness, I can't believe that worked. So we're both giggling because instead of fighting this guy, I'm just dropping this heavy grade on him over and over again. And that's when I was just like, there's something special here, man. Oh, there really is. There's one video that we were talking about the other day where a guy builds a bunch of just Star Wars vehicles. There's X-Wings that he's flying in the air. He's got the Interceptors. I mean, I saw one guy on TikTok build a fishing

boat. I don't know if you guys saw this, but it's got a shock emitter in the front of the boat. And so when it periodically goes off, it just kills like 10 fish at once. But he's got a shock emitter in the front of the boat. And so when it periodically goes off, it just kills like 10 fish at once. But he's got wooden planks that are flailed out in front of the boat. So he just drives into a mall and now there's just a pile of 20 fish that he can quickly grab.

That's awesome. I mean, this game really is what you make of it. Like if you want to cheese the whole game and just go find a couple zonai devices and build an incredible killing machine that flies in the air and homes and shoots lasers that stuff you can do that um if you want to play this game kind of old school like my son did at one point i asked him how'd you get to the top of this and he's like i just climbed the mountain and i was like oh okay like i took these mine

carts and i like built machines and you know rode my way up but i mean this is the stuff that you get to see and i love the fact oh here's another silly example you know how you have the giant wheels and they have like a direction that they turn and obviously you're supposed to use them for vehicles one guy turned it horizontally and stuck blades to it i saw that so he would activate it and it's just the spinning like guillotine and he would just crouch as link and all the enemies would just walk in and it would just slap the crap out of enemies i mean you can just use your imagination in so many ways in this game and the game has an auto-build feature.

So if you tinker for an hour figuring out how to build something, you can save the format. And as long as you have the devices, you can immediately build it again, which I think is such a great quality of life improvement. That way you don't have to build your air bike every time you need to get somewhere. You can just save it and just spawn it at will. All right. Well, believe it or not, we're already at our first break, guys. So we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back. All right, guys, now that we're done talking about Ultra Hand, let's move on and talk a little bit about Fuse because these are definitely the two biggest changes in the Zelda series. So basically with Fuse, the whole idea is that Ultra Hand lets you combine items in the world. Fuse lets you combine items from the world with your shield and with your melee weapons and with your arrows.

And they combine to have various effects. Now this can be incredibly simple, like we've joked about in the past. You can combine two wooden sticks, and what do you have? You've got a longer wooden stick that does a little bit more damage. But you can start doing crazy things by combining with those Zonai devices, or maybe major things you find in the world. So, like that iron grate that you found, Josh, you could pick it up and just keep dropping it on an enemy you could also combine it with your shield and see what happens or fuse it with a spear and find out what happens and this is where the game also starts to get into some truly hilarious stuff is there anything that's

stuck out with you guys in regards to fuse yeah um there's one part recently i just played like a couple nights ago where i'm trying to get to this tower. It's not working. It's blocked off. Something's going on. But you see these blocks up above it, and I'm like, how the heck am I going to get up there? And I just noticed there's a rocket on the ground. I go, okay, well, let's see what we can do here.

I attach the rocket. I fuse it to my shield, and then I can just shoot up like Rocket Man up in the sky. Boom. Then you just glide on down to man up up in the sky boom then you just glide on down to that first layer boom there's another rocket up there i'm like okay this is what i'm supposed to do i grab the next one shoot up again and it was just it was from there after i found that one i did that everywhere i'm like where can i just use a rocket on my shield to just fly into the air um and i just put rockets on everything from there but yeah that that was one thing that was really cool and then uh you know you can fuse just spike balls or boulders

to your swords and then just you know just the amount of damage you do that it extends is it's just crazy so yeah there's there's there's the fuse was was really cool i thought i actually used fuse more with i mean you have to fuse weapons together because they'll break so stinking fast right that it's like you really need to fuse things this is you do this a lot this is not like a oh let me be really creative kind of thing like it's it's just you know this this is a major part of the game so that you have a weapon to swing i used fuse more for my bow and arrow. And honestly,

like we're trying out just all these different recipes to sling arrows at things, whether it was attaching a bomb or freezing things or, you know, yeah, like a monster's eye. So it homes in on something. Uh,

you know, there's a boss fight. That's pretty tough if you don't, but if you put a homing if you put an eyeball on there to where it homes in on that boss it kind of trivializes the fight a little bit you know and and this is what's crazy right because this is i'm gonna make myself sound stupid here i never once thought to attach a rocket to my shield oh i i'm not gonna lie i came up with so many creative ways to get high up in the air

because the verticality in this game is insane and then like if i told you how many times i had to cook a lot of stamina food to climb up this big tall mountain instead of just freaking strapping a rocket on there like oh my goodness that's that's what's so crazy is like the everybody that plays this game is going to play it and experience it in a different way yeah you're gonna run into so many things that other people don't you're gonna you're gonna like you said earlier you're gonna go through the shrines different ways that nobody else has gone through them and you think okay that's the way to do it and then you look and you're like i don't think that was the way to do it and and so there's just so many because to me you know i use that's the way to do it. And then you look and you're like, I don't think that was the way to do it.

And so there's just so many – because to me, I use that all the time. I thought everybody would have put a rocket on their shield. But I'm sure there's 15 things that you did that I didn't touch. I don't know if anyone else did this. I'm sure there are people out there, hopefully, so I'm not just a big dum-dum. But I completely forgot about the send feature all the time. So I was using that oh for everything and then i'm like oh wait dum-dum you can just do this and you just go right through so yeah it's it's it's there's so many different ways to experience every part of the same map

from breath of the wild and it's so satisfying to go out of your way to combine random stuff right like you would never put a bomb on a shield but let's do it and let's see what happens i mean like i mentioned it in the intro but the fact that i this is what i never thought of combining a mine cart with your shield that lets you more effectively surf on the ground because now you have wheels it's not just a shield on the ground i thought that was so cool putting a flamethrower or not a flamethrower a flame emitter on your shield yes now you literally have a flamethrower fun i would keep two of those just in there if i need to like melt some ice or do anything like that boom or if guys it was a big mob just you just mow them down with the flame oh the flamethrower is fantastic i mean you can literally create your

own guns in zelda like take a spear put a cannon on the end guess what you're just shooting cannons at people out in the open field i mean the creativity around fuse i think is is really incredible i think between this and ultra hand this is where you have the fun in zelda it's not about grueling boss fights or anything like that it's just here's a playground go try weird crazy different things and you're probably gonna end up laughing about something and having a really good time i mean there's all kinds of elemental stuff you can do in this game too with all like the choo-choo jellies or different food yeah you know put shock fruit at the end of your arrow and you can shoot an enemy with lightning you know things of that nature as well so you're constantly swapping weapons changing what's combined trying

all these different effects and uh i found it to be utterly delightful i i will say too that your imagination is literally the limit for this game and that's not only in regards to the fuse and the ultra hand abilities. There was nothing in this game that I tried where you fight this really, really big troll ogre-looking thing. I mean, this thing's giant. And if you're out and about when it's raining and lightning, you can't have any metal on you, right? Because it will attract. And you get these little sparky things that kind of say, hey, you're about to get struck by lightning. Get ready. So I took my metal shield.

I'm fighting this boss. This thing's wrecking me. I probably shouldn't have been there yet. I throw my metal shield on the ground and I kite the boss over the metal shield while it's sparking. Yeah. And legitimately a bolt of lightning comes down and absolutely wrecks this big boss. And I just, my jaw hit the ground.

I looked at my wife and I went, it worked. And she was like, that's crazy. But that's what you can do in this game. I tried some wild outlandish stuff and none of it failed. I'm not saying my ideas weren't terrible, but the mechanics of the game were always there. I mean, always. And that's crazy. And that's what you're saying, Paul, is

you are limited only by your imagination. You are not limited by game mechanics or the developers not thinking of something in this regard. They really did a fantastic job of making sure that these things don't break the game. And especially on such old hardware like the Switch. I mean, if you're doing really wild stuff, the frame rate is going to drop off of 30 and you're going to get something in the 20s. But I'm actually quite shocked it works as well as it does. So you've got Ultra Hand, you've got Fuse, and then the last two we'll just kind of briefly cover here. But you do get Ascend and Recall as well. So So ascend is an absolutely hysterical ability where as long as there's a platform close above your head, you can activate ascend and it'll let you teleport

through it on top of whatever's above you. So this was actually created intentionally for the developers when they were testing Breath of the Wild, because they didn't want to go all the way through a cave and have to run all the way out. So their solution was, let's create the ascendability and it'll just let us test the game faster. But people realized that you could have so much fun with it that they added it as a feature to Tears of the Kingdom. So it will let you get out of caves quickly, but you can also build massive structures, ascend your way up to the top so you don't have to climb it. It's a quality of life update, but it can also get you in other areas that you don't necessarily think to go look and explore. And then you have the recall ability, where basically any item that moves in the world, you activate recall and it reverses that item's

time. So if you see a giant rock fall from the sky, guess what? Jump on top of that rock, activate Recall. It's going to shoot you way high up into the air. Or this is where it gets really interesting when you start to combine Ultra Hand and Recall. Because I've seen some things like where you have to go maybe like, you go maybe get one of the little Korok guys, and he wants to be with his friend, right? Well, maybe that's all the way across a giant chasm. And so what people start figuring out is you can start combining these things together,

where I can put a piece of wood on my arrow, shoot it all the way across the gap. Now I can fly across, combine with ultra hand the korok connect him to the wood now i recall the wood and the wood pulls the wood pile and the korok guy all the way across the chasm and now i've completed that mission so it's really neat how all these mechanics don't just work independently of each other but there is a certain synergy when they all combine together uh did you guys think ascend and ultra and uh recall were neat additions to this one because i thought they really were recall was my favorite of the two uh like i said i forgot the ascend quite often uh but the recall even there's like if you have the glider there's these gliders in there and if

you're up on the skyline you're on a rock you bust one out you can't really launch from anywhere you can take it you can use your ultra hand put it up in the air put it out over the rock and then bring it back down then you go hop on it and then use recall and it'll put you back up in the in the air you just turn it off and then you can glide away you ryan you, Ryan. You didn't know about that? I freaking hate. Oh, dude, if I had a dollar for every time I had a glider and couldn't launch it because I didn't have the little glider rails that you had to have. Yeah.

Or I didn't have the little skateboard platform that like with the teeny little wheels. Yep. See? Dude, that's what's crazy. That's what's crazy is that there's. I never thought to use recall to get it up in the air. You don't even have to do that.

Just raise it in the air and ascend on top of the wing. I mean, you can do all kinds of stuff like that in this game. Yeah, see, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, no, and then I loved every time I saw the little blue streaks and I saw a rock drop, I'm like, yep, yep. And I just beeline over to that and just shoot straight up to Sky City city. Yeah. Oh wow. Dude, I feel like an idiot now, but that's kind of the beauty of this game. Honestly is I, I like, I almost feel like this game's a fingerprint machine. Every single person will play it in a different way that is kind of unique to them.

The thing with ascend for me, I loved ascend. I thought that was super cool. The problem is that what gamer is used to being able to teleport through anything over them? Now, I played this game with my wife like 100% of the time. And it was funny because I'm wandering around or she's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm running out of the cave. And she's like, just use that ability. And then I was like, oh like oh yeah that's right you know and it's like i would just keep forgetting to use it because we're not conditioned for that like we're not used to being able to do that if you're in deep down in a cave you gotta run out of the cave you know you

can't just teleport the cool thing with this ability is it works as long as there is something over you so if you're way way down at the bottom of a mountain, like in this deep cave, and you use it, you'll be at the top of the mountain. This isn't like it has a certain range on it. Now, it has an activation range. So if you look up in the sky and there's an island way, way up there, you can't use Ascend.

It has to be within a certain level over your head, but it has no limit to how far you can ascend as long as there's solid material over you. I thought that was super cool. The recall was the one I used the absolute least because apparently I'm an idiot and I never thought about using it for certain tasks. Oh, even if an enemy threw a rock at you,

just midway through the air, recall it, and it goes back and it hits the monster instead. So there's really, really funny moments in this game. I'm exactly the same as you guys. It kind of broke my brain in that regard because you're not used to being able to ascend. I remember my son and I, we played separately and I didn't watch him play at all. And he started watching me in one of the temples. And he asked me like, what are you trying to do?

And I was like, well, how do I, I have to get into this cage. So I've got to probably climb my way up to another level and drop down. And he's like, no, just go underneath it and use ascend. And I was like, I never thought of that. There's so many moments like that where you feel so stupid because you get

that tunnel vision where you think, okay, I'm used to games working way, and I'm going to try the conventional method. And there's such an easy solution that you just don't see. If you want to have your mind blown, this is something that I really thought was cool. I keep referencing that I played this game with my wife because it's the first game that she's been really interested in a long time. But I'm a pretty smart guy for the most part, except for some of the stupid things that you guys have pointed out to me so far. And I've been gaming forever. And so it's like, I generally will have

this idea of how I'm going to tackle this shrine or tackle this puzzle or get up to this mountain or whatever. And a lot of times I'd be doing something and then my wife would be like, she would just point out something. And she'd be like, well, why don't you do this and then i would be like you're a genius man like you're a genius like but i like in my gamer brain i was kind of like why didn't i think of that so if you really want to have your mind blown play this game with somebody and see how two different people go about approaching something because it's it's incredible man i would just look at my wife and be like i can't believe I didn't think about that. And it would work. And then I'd be like, yeah, high five, baby. Yeah, no, that's exactly like you're saying. And the cool thing too is that

all these things can be used together with each other, where there's a spot with, speaking of Ascend, if you're not close enough to that top area, you look around. Oh, there's some boxes over there. Let me use my hand, bring them all together, stack them up, climb to the top of that. Boom. Now I got enough height and I can just ascend through everything and just go right up. I spent 15 minutes looking around like, how the heck am I going to get up this area? I was like, there's no way.

I can't use ascend. And then I noticed some boxes. Bing, bang, boom. I'm up through all the way to the top just like that. And so it just, yeah, it melts your brain. And then that's such a good idea that somebody with you just to have that other set of eyes to look at it and see it from a different angle that you may not see it as a traditional gamer that's always played this certain way. To have that other opening of their thought process on it is just great. Yeah, totally agree.

Yeah, there are certain shrines, because we're going to talk about that here now, but there are certain ways that you can tell the game is trying to teach you a certain mechanic. And there's always just so many other goofy ways to beat it. So, Josh, you said that you didn't use recall very much did you not create lifts all the time just put down a platform use ultra hand raise it as much as you can let it drop and then just do recall and ride it like an elevator because that's how i i mean that's how i got up every mountain every ledge i was constantly building lifts by using recall. I don't want to talk about it, Paul.

So you were just going, I was just climbing free, free solo climbing. There's no spoiler, but what's the, what's the mountain doom? What's the big mountain in the Goron area? The Mount something.

I call it because it's a giant, but I climbed, I literally climbed that mountain. I prepped a ton of stamina food because I told my wife like, Hey, this is going to be a long climb. We're going to need a lot of food for it. So we did all the cooking and then I just climbed that mountain. I prepped a ton of stamina food because I told my wife like, Hey, this is going to be a long climb. We're going to need a lot of food for it. So we did all the cooking and then I just climbed that bad boy.

Like, like you didn't notice all the mine carts circling. I didn't want to run around the entire mountain trying to find a mine cart. So I was just like, I'm just going to put dude, the shortest point between two points is a straight line, Paul. And the shortest method is writing those carts.

Oh my goodness. I can't believe that's what my son James did. He climbed that mountain by hand. I'm like, dude, I, is a straight line, Paul. And the shortest method is riding those carts. Oh my goodness, I can't believe that's what my son James did. He climbed that mountain by hand. I'm like, dude, I rode these mine carts. It worked. I made it to the top. That's so funny. Alright, well, we're going to take our last break and we'll be right back. Alright, guys, it's almost time for

our segments, but before we do that, I think we do need to talk a little bit about the shrines and the temples. So basically, all throughout the world, you see these shrines. They are both above ground. There's also shrines underneath the ground. You go around, you activate these shrines. They're incredibly short. They had shrines in Breath of the wild and basically these almost serve as like mini tutorials to teach you how to think creatively in zelda i think that's maybe the best way to word it um you hop in a shrine and maybe you you see devices you've never used before like balloons and all of a sudden you can kind of the game does a good job of giving you a balloon attached to a platform and next to the platform is a candle and you can kind of tell, okay, the game is teaching me. If I put this candle on the platform,

the balloon goes up and then you ride a balloon to the top. And now maybe you have to move a marble up to another higher surface. And then you beat the shrine. I mean, the shrines are very fast. Most of them you beat just within a minute or two. And then every time you complete four shrines, you can get an extra heart or an extra portion on your stamina wheel. What did you guys think about the shrines? And are there any examples

that you'd want to share where the game kind of like taught you how to think through the game? I'll be honest. I love the shrines. I love problem solving. That to me is... I enjoy it. I like going like, how do I do this? And that's really where the shrines came into play for me. And there are a gajillion shrines in this game. And you're rewarded because you get a little quarter of a... Every four you do, you get a new heart or an add-on to your stamina meter. So they're definitely necessary as well. But this is the part that I like. And I'm with you, Paul, in that I think the game is saying, like, hey, learn. Learn how to use Ultra Hand. Learn how to put things together.

And again, it's your imagination. Maybe there is this kind of obvious solution, but you don't have to use that. I'm not sure that any really stood out to me. I mean, I did enough of them that I think they just kind of blur together in that regard. The one that I had mentioned earlier was making like the 15 story skyscraper and then just flying over, you know, on something like that. But I do know that this was honestly one of my favorite parts of the game. Because like you said, they're very self-contained. For me, it was five, maybe 10 minutes. But they're very quick to kind of get through.

Sometimes I would get stuck. Like, honestly, there's a few of them where I was just like, I don't know what to do. And then I'd remember that, oh, I have this ascendability. I can tunnel through this archway or something like that. So there's times where it's like you just kind of feel stupid because it's like, oh, I didn't even realize the solution was right in front of me. But to me, that's one of the best parts of this game. Yeah, I love the shrines.

Part of going up to Sky City when I'd see a block fall is to get up and then look around because these shrines, they have this kind of swirly teal blue light above them. Kind of help. You can see them from real far away. Yeah, you can see them from real high. The second I saw one, bust out the glider and just try to get to it. And I majority of the game, all I did was just look for shrines because I had so much fun just going in to see what little things like you said they weren't that hard it wasn't crazy but everyone was a little different everyone had some other kind of flair to it um there's one it's it's

this thing where you i i built like 15 planks together to get over this long span and i get over and then i realized oh i could have just done this and flown over from right here and i spent all this time building all these planks and i'm it's i'm like trying to turn it through this little small area and it's clunk clunk clunk banging on everything as i go through and i get i reposition and get over a couple times i go and i'm trying to reposition i'm not paying attention i fall off the side and just you know all you know, fall to the bottom splat. So yeah, I, I absolutely loved the shrines.

That was for me, my favorite part of the game by far. Um, I, I had such a blast and there's so many and there's so many, I haven't even touched yet. There's 152 total. Jeez.

And I remember the one that totally stumped me and I felt so stupid. There was, you, you'd walk into the shrine and there was like a ramp and a marble would roll down and then it would fall off a pit. And off to your left, there was a ramp and a target. And it's like, okay, I've got to take this marble and I've got to hit the target. And there's all these planks on the ground. And so like an idiot, I combine all these planks into a super long stick and then i attach the

marble i catch it before it falls off the pit i attach it to my planks and i'm holding like the world's longest fishing pole trying to hit this target and then james just walks by and he goes you're not just gonna hit it like a baseball bat and i was like what what are you talking about and there's just a little device right in the middle that if you hit it it spins 90 degrees and all you got to do is put one little plank with ultra hand fuse it on there and now as the marble rolls down the the ramp you just smack it with your sword if you time it right it hits it like a baseball it flies off the ramp and hits the target and i was like i that's the one shrine

in particular where something with the way my brain thinks it never thought hit it like a baseball bat dude that shrine that almost made me rage quit the game because i was so uh they know i i had a little bit of my issues with this game in the beginning and playing i i uh i was on that shrine and i i i thought of that i did the baseball thing and i was like okay i can hit this and it'll move but i put the pole on with the plank and then when i hit it the plank just broke off and just spun off and shot off into the netherland and disappeared and i was like oh you gotta be kidding me i'm like this game is so stupid but then you know i i took okay i was like, let's try it with just the stick then.

And then, boom, works right away. No problem. But that's what is bringing me a lot of joy with this is seeing all the different ways everyone failed or succeeded at these shrines or different areas or how to fight. It's crazy because everyone has such a different experience it's just a problem solving simulator yeah i mean that's literally what these shrines are and it's interesting how you can solve it in such different ways there's no right or wrong they're all just you know different uh last thing that i think we have to talk about are the temples so if you played breath of the wild but didn't play

tears of the kingdom breath of the wild had the four divine beasts. In this game, you've got the four temples. I guess, spoiler alert, there's more than four. But the game sends you initially to test out these four different areas on the map. Very similar to Breath of the Wild. You got to hit the four corners. You're going to find a temple. Each temple has its own like elemental affinity, whether it's like sand and wind or if it's lightning or whatever it might be. These are more beefed up than the divine beasts. Josh and I always said the divine beasts were the best part of breath of the wild. And we just wish that there were more well in this,

we do have the temples and they do take longer and they are bigger. And I, this to me was my favorite part of the game was clearing out the temples and they do take longer and they are bigger. And I, this to me was my favorite part of the game was clearing out the temples. And I was curious to hear what you guys think. I, they were okay. I'll be honest with you. I,

I'm not sure I'm a fan of the way they went about the temples in this game. I, I, I missed the days where a Zelda temple was this big, giant dungeon where the challenge was how do you get through it, right? There's a big ledge or a door way across this giant chasm, and I have to get over there. But to do that, I have to do X, Y, and Z. I found with this, the way that the temples work is you basically just have to unlock a certain number of locks, right? So you get to the hub of the temple and it says, oh, you can't get across this draw bridge that's right in front of you because the door is locked. So you now have to go to six

different parts of this temple and unlock each part so that the door will unlock. And I'm like, I just literally built a death machine or a rocket-powered spaceship outside, and you're telling me that I can't get through this door that's right in front of me? Come on. So I had some issues with the repetitive nature of it, to be honest. I felt like they did that to be a time killer. Repetitive insofar as undoing the five locks? Yeah. The puzzles are very different. The puzzles, I don't know, man.

I disagree. Like, the puzzle is go find this part of the temple and then roll the Goron guy into a fan, you know, or something like that. My favorite temple was the one that took forever to get up, the Sky one, because it's like, oh, I'm having to do a platforming game now. And to me, that was fun.

And the temple itself wasn't that bad. But then other temples were like, oh, I'm having to do a platforming game now. And to me, that was fun. And the temple itself wasn't that bad. But then other temples were like, oh, there's seven waterfalls you got to activate to wash away stuff. And I'm like, seven? Like, come on, man. So I took a little bit of homage to that because it's like, I don't even know if that's the right word there. It's not. I took a little bit of umbrage. Yeah, edit in the right word there, but it's not. I took a little bit of umbrage. Yeah. Edit in the right word there, Paul. But, you know, so for me, I kind of went,

this is a little lazy because they didn't want to design like a big level. They just wanted to have this little temple and then send me to six different parts of it. I just, I'll be honest, I didn't enjoy them that much, man. See, okay, let me explain why I really loved them. First of all, before you can get to the temple, you have to solve riddles. And these riddles are freaking hard. Like, I think this game is so much harder than every other Zelda game. But generally, you have to beat some kind of mini boss, you have to solve a riddle, then you unlock the temple. And even though they do all have the same mechanic where it's get to these five things and take care of it, right? Whether it's blowing wind into the fan or striking these shields with lightning. But each temple is completely different.

The one that's in the Goron City is all about running trains. Like you've got mine carts everywhere. You've got to switch tracks. You've got to use your abilities. You have to fly or use recall. And then in another temple, you're having to connect sources of light so you can light things up. I absolutely loved them.

I thought they were far more enjoyable than the Divine Beasts. And I loved solving those riddles beforehand as well talking about you know a fish in the sky and shooting your arrow through a water that part was cool and when you figure that stuff out i thought that was pretty neat what'd you think of the temples ryan i i thought they were okay um i i liked the the the temple in the sky one that one that one was pretty cool getting up there was probably my favorite part of it yeah i just hate once you get to these i hate having to to craft food and have all that stuff because now i'm sun and i'm cold i'm i'm link man i'm this super legendary warrior

now i'm oh i'm cold i need to eat this spicy food stay warm and then you go to the other one the gore one oh now i'm too hot now i gotta you know i just i hated that part of it for me i know that's an aspect in games and i know that gives another kind of uh a fold to it but i i one time uh i put a mod on skyrim i played a million hours of skyrim i put a mod on and then next thing you know it was it was one i didn't realize i had you know you have to eat all of a sudden. And so I'm like, my guy's hungry, and my life's going down. I'm like, ugh. I immediately took it off.

I'm like, I don't want to deal with that. Not for me. No survival. Yeah, no survival. I don't want to deal with having to craft stuff and eat food and things like that. If it's for cool enhancements, then yeah, that's fun. But just a standard of being cold or anything like that. But other than that, I thought the temples were okay i thought they they played well i thought it was neat that

they all had their different aspects to them and different kind of focuses um on how you get through it and how you beat it but uh they were just it's still to me the shrines and building and stuff is what would really set the game off i'm really surprised to hear that because the temples are just super shrines so i don't know all right so moving into our segment well actually before we move into our segments guys is there anything else about tears of the kingdom that we need to cover that we didn't touch on yet um for me as far as as far as i go because i know i was whining and bemoaning and complaining about this game the whole time. And I was shocked. And I know you were.

And I know. And I don't take any of that back. And I have 40 hours in this game. And I was miserable. Every time I'm like... Because since I've joined up, I always tell my wife when I'm going to go play, I go, I got to go work. I got to work, honey.

And I'm going to go and I just go and play video games, which is awesome. This actually felt like work. I was just like, oh my gosh, I got to run all the way here. I'm like, how do I even get to this place? And you had made a comment before and I didn't tell you before until just recently when I figured it out. But you were right. You said maybe you're playing the game wrong.

I was trying to and maybe it's just the emphasis of the pod, and we have so many games coming up, and I was trying to play the game and beat the game instead of just being in the game. Once I realized to just, I know that Dot is blinking, but I'm just going to explore and figure out what I can do throughout here. The whole thing changed. I was sitting.

A quick story. I got up to the sky island. I jumped down to a place. There was one of those floating blocks, and there was like 15 rockets on the ground. And so I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to mess around. I put rockets. We're going to the moon.

I lined them all the way around it, and I just shot up. I didn't go as high as I thought I would go. And then I tried to get to somewhere else and I died. So next time I went to it, I'm like, all right, I'm going to put half of these rockets on here. I'm going to set the other half on top and hopefully they stay on.

And then I'll see if I can reattach them. Once I get up, it worked and I've got as high as I could go. And then I'm like, well, let's see what else I can do. I threw a bunch of fans on the back of this block. And then I just started coasting through the middle of like the top peak of all of Sky City, just cruising through there.

And I'm like, okay, I get it. I even told my wife, like she was kind of half awake. And I was like, I get it. I get this game. This is what it's about. It's about just exploring, building stuff, just doing crazy things. And then the game itself, as far as the story, quote unquote story, is the side part of it. But what you can do and what you can make, it just clicked. It was just like, I get it now.

I'm glad you weren't miserable the whole time. Better late than never. It won me over about hour 37 hour 37 yeah you really do have to like tune yourself to how this game works it's not objective based it's not about just beating it and having epic boss fights it's you know finding clever ways to get around the world and you know take your time getting there all right well guys time for our favorite segment time for some hot takes all right i don't know whether to be excited or nervous for this one who wants to go first with a hot take i'll go first all right let's it, Josh. This game has some of the coolest ideas and mechanics that I have ever seen in a video game

and simultaneously some of the worst gameplay I have experienced in a long time. Okay, where was the gameplay so bad for you? There is such a dichotomy between the game itself and then the creative ultra hand aspect. Separate this thing into two games. And if you take ultra hand, and this is going to just lead into my thoughts on the game. Spoiler here, but I'll make it official here in a minute. But if you take ultra hand out of this game, this breath of the wild but worse in my opinion like if it was not for the ultra hand and the stuff that they added i would absolutely hate this

game dude like the like the controls are terrible nintendo the fact that nintendo can't do more than eight directions you know at any given time is infuriating like like i can't tell you how many times i died because if you are running forward and you jump you'll jump forward but if you jump first and then push forward you just jump up and down you don't move at all you know the fact that i have to have weapons mario one yeah well it sucks all nintendo games the fact that my everything that i get in this game is is temporary is infuriating to me oh what's that chest we just talked about this right with the with jedi survivor oh what's in that chest over there it's just a cosmetic i don't want to go get it that

part of the game sucks it's the same for zelda no don't shake your head at me there's not a single cosmetic there's not a single cosmetic you get five arrows i just spent 20 minutes going to get this treasure chest and i get five arrows out of it josh can you use those arrows guess what you did you got the chest you get an opal what the crap is none of these are cosmetics you're listing things that you use every single one of those items you use put them on your arrows put them on your arrows oh my goodness no we disagree so vehemently on this you're wrong you are wrong system in this game is absolutely abysmal the the weapon fragility okay wait wait wait calm down wait wait wait you can say it's bad don't tell me it's the

same as jedi survivor because that's not the same because it's pointless. There is no cosmetics in Zelda. You could use the mullet in Jedi Survivor. Yeah, that's true. It's just pointless. I take such... It's not pointless. How else are you going to get arrows, Josh? How are you going to get rupees? Yeah, okay. I mean, you know, this is this... You can't craft them. I don't need five arrows, man. I don't need

my 17th opal. I don't need whatever is in that chest. Even wife dude and this again i this is not just me she basically said these chests suck in this game and i'm like you are absolutely right there's no reward other than just the exploration part of this they're loaded with weapons the combat sucks in this game you never looted a weapon out of a chest game there's so much that actually sucks in this game but because paul's turning red but at the same time there's so much that's glorious in this game and that's why it's my hot take because there are moments of sheer

genius and wonder and awe and then there are moments of like, oh my goodness, again? Like, what are you thinking? Like, why? It was just, it was so up. It was zero and a hundred for me in this. I don't understand how you can say this game was worse than Breath of the Wild apart from Ultra Hand.

Because Breath of the Wild was new. This is just rehash of Breath of the Wild. There was so much that was just ripped off and rehashed and, and, and reused. So if you're like breath of the wild, at least had some newness to it.

Tears of the kingdom, apart from ultra hand and some of that other stuff is just breath of the wild. So it's worse because I've already done it. I completely disagree. The maps twice the size. Like, I don't know.

I, I, I, I try to understand what you're saying. I like hot takes. I don't like wrong takes. Oh. Moving on to Ryan.

Ryan, what's your hot take? Mine is I, I guess personal opinion or it's what it should be, is Zelda is not game of the year i i don't i i i you know in accordance with with josh on all that stuff i think there's so much amazing about this game but i think there's also so much that i disliked and that it shouldn't have taken that long to understand it and to get it also combat absolutely horrible and then after after all the hours i put into red dead redemption riding a horse on zelda was the worst oh the amount of times that stupid horse just shook his head at me and he wouldn't he couldn't go over make it love you ryan before over the step that was like a foot a foot tall he can't go over that little rock he's like you know and he just shakes his head and then you're like, oh, my gosh.

Let me turn around now. I got to keep running, too. Granted, that was before I just kind of had my epiphany. But I... I was going to say, why are you riding horses anyway? You should be flying. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Well, I was also a bit of a Zonai orb hoarder. I was like, I'm going to save these for the bosses. Because I was focused on the mission at hand. And once I just just abandoned that and i just was like boom boom boom and i was making crazy things that's when it changed but to me this is not and should not be game of the year do you get to be nominated or you should or you think it shouldn't even be nominated oh i think it i think it should be nominated and honestly it it may win just because of how people are going to just love the other aspects of it but i i don't i don't think it should oh wow okay i i knew we were going to be in in slightly different places here with this game i'm a little shocked because

at least in my circles this game has near universal acclaim i do not know a single person who has breathed one negative word about this game other than you two you do now baby uh i do now and our listeners do all our all our zelda fans are uh are are leaving us in droves sorry guys um my my hot take is i think without a doubt this is very much in contention for best game of all time. I think there's a small handful of games you can make an argument, and this is one of them. I think there's maybe seven or eight games that you can say, almost anybody would say it's one of their favorites. This is definitely one of them.

It's by far the best Zelda game. I mean, bar none. It is so much more creative and inventive than every other Zelda game. They took it also in a little bit more of an adult path, which I didn't totally expect. You have to have some sense in order to beat this game. My son Jackson beat Breath of the Wild single-handedly. I did not help him at all when he was five years old. There is no way a five-year-old is going to be able to fully beat this game. I don't think.

I definitely think it's a step up. I'm not saying that it's a hard game, but I think it's incredibly fun. I think Ultra Hand is the best mechanic I've seen probably in the last, I don't know, five years, ten years. Like, what do you compare it to? The Portal Gun? Like, have I seen anything as cool as Ultra Hand since the Portal Gun? Maybe. the last i don't know five years ten years like what do you compare it to the portal gun like have i seen anything as cool as ultra hand since the portal gun maybe but nothing that comes off the top of my head yeah gravity gun it writes up there for sure no that part is super super cool and that part innovative yeah yeah hot take part two i wish Diablo wasn't live right now. I'd rather play Tears of the Kingdom more.

Oh, you shut your mouth, Paul. Oh, my God. And I'm not alone. I think nine out of ten gamers. Oh, no. No, no. You said nine out of ten children? Get out of here.

With a Switch, you mean? We're going to see in a minute here, because it's time to move on to community reviews. I can't wait to hear the overall community score, but we'll find out. Josh, you got some reviews? People have written this? I do. So for those that think either I am crazy and Ryan is crazy or Paul is crazy,

we always pick reviews from gamers. We go to the user reviews so that you're not just critics that are getting all wrapped up in the, oh, we have to write this review and agree with the crowd and stuff like that. So I always pull a gamut of reviews as well to give different opinions on it um this is a nintendo game so i just used metacritic and pulled user reviews on this so this first one is a seven and it says i had a weird feeling about this sequel while the trailers

at first tease interesting twists in the story game structure and progression and some aspects of the world i just wondered how they were going to refresh a game with essentially the same map, enemies, and combat without entering into redundancy and shallowness. And after putting the hours on this game, I can confirm that this weird feeling developed to disappointment as much as I wanted to love the game. For starters, if you didn't like Breath of the Wild, you probably won't like Tears of the Kingdom, and that's a huge letdown for people who wanted something different considering the years of development exploring the world hasn't changed that much the feel is quite similar and while the sky islands and the underground provide new areas for traveling there isn't something really refreshing about them and

the reward for exploration feels unbalanced you're just going to find some more shrines some enemies and some weapons that you probably won't use or be excited about. This is nothing transcendental. Paul's eyes glazed over so hard there. It's someone who doesn't like Zelda, clearly. I mean, if it's not for you, it's not for you. I mean, if you hate Breath of the Wild, you will hate this game. Paul is going to get so triggered on the zero review.

All right, Paul, here we go. I'll give you a 10 here this this review is a 10 this person says it's an easy 10 so far i'm 15 to 20 hours into the game and haven't even completed the second major area visited um it's less overwhelming than breath of the wild because they give you a bit more guidance of where to go and a lot more clear objectives once you get there. But where this game shines is the exploration. If one is game to step into a world like a virtual reality and make the most of it, there is a nearly endless supply of moments this game can offer you. As of this writing, I think it may be superior to Breath of the Wild, but no need to make such large statements so early. There's also a possibility it's one of the best games of all time but also

why make such a claim so early for now just enjoy this masterpiece yeah wish i could enjoy it longer all right well let's see uh okay so here's a zero buckle up paul oh yeah let's hear it all right this guy gave it a zero and it says it's a giant world with no content i would not mind the quality of the graphics if the gameplay and story was good but since there is no content here the bad graphics stick out even more it's insane to me that they could just copy the previous game's map and barely do any improvements whatsoever what do you do during all this time also the idea of being able to go wherever you want, since it's an open world game is not utilized well at all.

Other good open world games let you actually choose your own experience this way in this game. It usually just means that you can skip parts of the game. That's not fun. There is no loot in this game, just like the previous game. Why would I care about this new cool weapon? If it's just going to break within minutes,

if I have a full weapon inventory, which you always do, I'm not going to bother opening the chest and see if the weapon inside is stronger than what it currently has since it doesn't matter. I'd take issue with someone saying that this world has no content. Like we already said, there's 152 shrines. Now, if you're going to say this game has a lot of content i don't like that makes sense to me i understand if someone doesn't like any zelda game but to say there's a giant open world with nothing to do that i don't i don't agree with i would assume he means of importance you know like where is the progression where is the the you know that kind of stuff right like it's a sandbox but if you're never actually able to keep a sand castle because the ocean just comes and washes it away then then

what are you doing like i think there's a lot of people that want a good story like you yourself paul you're you love story and character development this game has none of that none of it you know what i mean well right okay so all right all right so this one is a six so two you know one ten one zero and two mid-tier right and it says if you liked breath of the wild you will like this game it's basically breath of the wild 2.0 it's mostly the same map the music's very similar it runs terrible on my switch just like breath of the wild but like many sequels, it didn't really address the problems of the first game. Combat is still clunky and boring. Midway through the game, you can use your builds to cheese just about anything. Cooking and all the other systems are stupid. Weapon durability is absolutely

infuriating. It ruins the flow of combat. Its new fusion system is fun, but it's clunky as well. What should be a five-second mechanic in the inventory turns into a nightmare as you have to open inventory, drop the item you want to fuse your weapon with, select the power, select the item, then fuse, press Y. It's just not optimized very well. All in all, this game is basically Breath of the Wild 1.5. It's not enough new to justify a new game in my opinion, but it was also more than what you would usually put into a DLC. In the end, it's basically, if you liked

Breath of the Wild, you'll like this game because it's almost the same. If you didn't like Breath of the Wild, you won't like Tears of the Kingdom. Yeah, I mean, I'll just keep saying the same stuff. I feel like this game is totally different than Breath of the Wild. It's a different game. I love how Paul starts defending every review that's not the 10, and then on the 10 goes like yeah sounds about sounds about right well i was waiting for any of you guys no one's saying anything so someone's gotta jump in well i

all right i just disagree okay well paul wants to paul you brought this up so what we always do is we always guess the score of what we think the the score of this game is. This is on Metacritic, so it uses a system of 0.0 to 10.0 using decimals. I'll just go first on this one. I guess a 9.2. I know... I mean, there's not many people out there that think that this game isn't phenomenal. I went, it's going to be super high. And I know Metacritic's grouchy and stuff like that, but you've done nothing but hear the hype. You've seen all the videos that are taking over social media. So I kind of shot for the moon a little bit on this one.

Okay. What about you, Ryan? What's your guess? Oh, I actually had written down 9.2. But let's see. Since I think, I mean, for me, it's like an 8. And then I think there's a lot of people are going to do tens like that. So I'm just going to go, I guess, with a nine. Okay. Split the difference of the two.

I think it'll be somewhere in the high eights. I'll say I won't just take the 0.1 under. I'm going to try to nail it. I'm going to say 8.7. And give Josh a minute to do the math. I know. We need a math check this time. We don't want another debacle.

8 points. Okay. Well, this one's easy because somebody nailed it. So I don't have to try to do addition or subtraction. And Paul nailed it. 8.7 on the dime. And I bet over time, that'll creep a little higher.

I bet that'll even out somewhere around 8.9 because early on, you're going to get a lot of the haters. There's a lot of people that are going to play this game for 500 hours and then they'll rate it later. I will say my TikTok feed has never been more fun and it's probably 33%

Tears of the Kingdom ultra hand builds like i love scrolling tiktok and i'm like oh what's this thing and it's a guy who's built a cockpit with a vehicle around it but he's got all these axles so no matter what his vehicle does it can flip over and he's always right side up i mean seeing all these creative builds i think is awesome and i have a lot of gamers on tiktok that i have say, I think this is the greatest game of all time. And I'm not surprised that it's really high. I think it should be in the nines. I bet you do.

I bet you do, Paul. All right. Does this mean we should move on to our next segment? We should move on. All right. Let's hit that music. Hey there, Zelda. right does this mean we should move on to our next segment move on all right let's hit that music hey there zelda i was wondering if you had an extra heart because mine just got stolen all right so this segment is called make love marry or murder this is where all three of us give this game an individual rating is this game marriage material you highly recommend it

is it murder material we'd say do not pick up this game it is not You highly recommend it. Is it murder material? We'd say, do not pick up this game. It is not worth the money. It is not worth the time investment. Or is it make love? A game that is maybe worth it if it's on sale. Maybe pick it up, play a few hours, and quit. Obviously, you guys know how much I love this game.

It's an easy marry. It is absolutely going to be in my individual top 10, which I'll have to revamp at some point. Easy, easy marriage material. What about you, Josh? I don't... Paul's going to just... Paul's going to tilt. But okay. So legitimately, I look at this game from two different perspectives. I look at it from old grouchy gamer that I am, and I go, the mechanics, I don't like the mechanics. There's parts of this game that are just stupid. It's infuriating.

I don't like a lot of the systems. Why is the combat so sucky? Why do my weapons break all the time? Why do I... I can't go into this cold area unless I get clothes. But to get the clothes, I have to eat fruit that makes it... There's just a lot of really dumb stuff in this game. There were parts where I told my wife, I said,

this is so stupid that this game should just work better. And I'm not talking about frame rates and other stuff. I just don't... It feels so just dated and just dumb to me sometimes. And it's like, dude, this is 2023. Are you telling me that we can't have better controls or that I don't have to hit five buttons to pull something out of my inventory? I found so many things about this game to be clunky and unenjoyable. That said, there's parts of this game that are absolutely mind-blowing and innovative

and things that I've never seen before. And this game is going to change gaming like we know it. More people are going to pick up on this ultra-hand ability and the ability for you to just utilize the world around you in any way that you want to do. So I'm having a tough time because I don't like the game itself. I legitimately don't like the game itself. I'm not saying it's bad. No part of me is saying that this is a bad video game. But if you took the innovation out of this game, this would be a mediocre five or six for me all around. Honestly, it's an open world. We've seen that a thousand times. And so for me, I have to recognize, Paul, what you love about this game and say that there are going to be millions of people out there that are going to say, this is the best game I have ever played.

Game of the year 2023 locked in hands down. No question about it. And that bugs me a little bit because the game itself is just mediocre, man. If you want to say most innovative game of the last decade, I'm with you. I am with you a hundred percent, man. This game is so innovative. It's bananas. But as a video game, it's, it's just mediocre to me, man. And so it's like, do I wait this as like

a video game critic to where I say, Oh, it's going to be game of the year. And millions and millions of people are going to say it's the best game they've ever played. Or do I say, how do I personally feel about it? I'm going to go with how I personally feel about it. It's a make love for me. It's fine. I enjoyed playing this game. Don't get me wrong. Is it worth the money? Yes. I got 60 some odd hours into this game. I enjoyed that money well spent. I love the fact that my wife wanted to play it with me, but I find it to be thoroughly mediocre 70% of the time and absolutely mind-blowing 30% of the time for the innovation part of it. So for me, it's an easy, easy make love. Would I recommend it? Absolutely. I'd recommend it to 9 out of 10 people. But personally, how do I feel about it it i feel like it's a pretty mediocre game overall with an

absolutely phenomenal innovation it's almost like you're rating the game one third mary one third murder yeah i mean honestly and so that's paul you hit the nail on the head really because and then i just wind up in the middle for it yeah that's like the average yeah yeah what about you ryan that i'm kind of there but instead of the one-third uh uh murder and the one-third you know mary or whatever i'm more i'm like just just right there i i had i honestly like i said i was cursing in bed just playing this game. I'm like, oh, and I was just so stupid. And I was just running through.

Every time the horse would neigh and wouldn't go over the thing. Every time I was doing this and this would mess up. And every time I fought a guy and I couldn't roll. Like, what can I do with like a little jump roll and get out of there and get some smooth combat? They're Nintendo. They have the money. They have the assets to be able to develop these types of things. And then the lack of audio as far as within the characters.

If I have to hear another, huh, uh, uh, and then I have to read the stupid thing they say what i don't know whatever language that is but means three sentences i it drove me nuts i hated that part having said all that once i figured out that that's not what the game was about if you can even i guess call it a you know like a game it's it's's once I figured that out, I realized, okay, this is what you're supposed to do. And I can enjoy this. I can have fun with this. I can spend time building these things, making these creations and just, and just kind of drift off into Neverland and, and, you know, do all this for as long as I want to and just lose track of time. Once I figured that out, it changed.

Otherwise, this game would have been a murder in a heartbeat for me. So having said that, I'm going to go with just a barely make love because of those aspects. Once I figured out how you're supposed to play it, how it kind of goes the way that you imagine and you can dream. That's kind of what pushed it over for me. But yeah, all the other things that are negative on what my personal opinion is as far as how I like to play a game and how I like my games to be, that's where I'm at. Like Josh said, I would recommend it to people.

It's an awesome game. You'll get a million hours of it. I would like to give them some tips ahead of time do this do that so so you don't get so frustrated but other than that yeah i'm gonna make love yeah it's all for certain people they would really enjoy stumbling into how to play the game and there's other people who would want to watch things i wish i knew before playing tears of the kingdom one weird way you don't yeah yeah all right so this is gonna be very interesting because we have one last segment let's go to the leaderboard and see where this game stacks up oh yeah this part is gonna be great all right so our leaderboard is a list of every game that

we have done a deep dive on we are sitting at 96 games this will be number 97 as opposed to make love marry or murder where we each give an individual rating this has to be consensus where are we going to rank tears of the Kingdom against every other game that we have covered? Looking at our list here, boy, I don't know where we're going to land on this. This is a little reminiscent of games like Outer Wilds or Stardew Valley, where Josh and I were kind of on polar opposite ends, or even like Elite Dangerous when Michael was on the podcast. Where do you guys see ranking this in our 97 games? Where would you guys put it personally? And then maybe we can move from there. Are we rating this game as a video game or as a very innovative sandbox?

Because that's the problem for me, right? Like if you say, hey, Josh, rate the innovation for Tears of the Kingdom, it's right at the top. No game has done what Tears of the Kingdom has done, to the degree that it's done it. But then you're like, is it fun? Is it like, how do you rate this as a video game? And then I go, hey man, it's okay.

It's, I mean, you know, parts were good, but then there's parts that aren't good. So, I mean, and then there's the part of like, you know, I would recommend this game to just about everybody. So then like, where does that come into play? So I mean, I think this is probably legitimately like a top 20 game for me. It's just not a perfect game. Like, Paul, I know you absolutely love it.

I know you've said where you would put it, but I don't feel the same way. But I also don't want to discount that I'm sure that a ton of the population feels exactly the same way you do. I'm very confused. So you're saying you want to put a top 20, and it's mostly not because you found the game fun to play as a video game, but you want to honor the innovation of how they're changing the industry. Yes. Okay. So even though you would rather play probably games in the 30s above Tears of the Kingdom,

you would personally put it somewhere in the top 20. Yeah. I mean, like, fun factor, right? For me, I play video games for fun and competition and escapism. And this game is great for escapism. And this game is great for escapism. Absolutely. The fun factor? Eh, not so much for me. And so it's kind of like, like I said, this one's tough because I think there's zeros and I think there's 100s to this game. Okay. And Josh mentioned that I may have let slip where

I would put it on the leaderboard because Ryan and I were going back and forth a little. He was saying, like, do you legitimately think this game is good? And I was like, yes, everyone thinks it's amazing. I would put it number two on the leaderboard. I would have it right below Red Dead Redemption. I would go as far as to say Tears of the Kingdom is more fun than Red Dead. Why Red Dead is above it for me is that red dead has a fantastic story but tears of the kingdom i think is the most fun game i've ever played but there's no real story so red dead for me is still

number one i would personally have this above god of war 2018 cyberpunk disco elysium rust all of those i would have it number two. What about you, Ryan? What kind of way are you thinking? I understand, and that's what I thought too. That's why earlier I kind of gestured to Josh. I was like, it's got to be at least three because there's no way it's better than God of War 2018. But it's hard because the same thing that he said is how are you going to rank it based on there's so many games here.

Yeah, I'd totally rather play Resident Evil 4, Hogwarts Legacy, GTA Online, Halo. I mean, there's so many games that I would rather play than this, but also I understand what it is and what it's going to do to the industry and the game that it is. So, man, it's tough for me, but I would think in that kind of mid-teens range. If we just equalize 2, 19, and 19, it would be somewhere around 13 uh just with averaging them out so i think we're probably looking somewhere plus or minus a few spots i i would personally vote to put it at 17 i would have no issues putting it at 17 the problem for me is i start to want to barf a little bit when i think about putting it above games like Hogwarts Legacy, Elden Ring, Divinity Original Sin 2. Oh, wait, there it was right there. I'm sorry, guys.

So you're saying you'll move from 19 to 17, and I have to move from 2 to 17? No, I'm saying that's where I wanted... I'm saying that's where I want to put it. I'm asking consensus. What is a fair consensus when we're ranking... Put it at 11. Put it at 11. I'll give you 11, Paul.

11? Yeah. That's satisfactory. I mean, it makes me nauseous, but I would do that for you because we've been satisfactory also has zero story and fat fantastic you know what and innovation really fun satisfactory is really fun it's got good mechanics as fun as tears when i when i run around and i move and i parachute the buttons respond my character does what i want it to do you know like not every single thing i

pick up breaks. There's good rewards because when you find something, guess what? It actually progresses the game. I unlock new research and I get new stuff to do. It doesn't break two minutes later. Do you remember combat and satisfactory? There's not a ton of combat. Yeah, you got the re-burn gun. Combat's worse than

satisfactory. I don't know about that. I would be good putting that eight just after rust that that's where i would be above rocket league josh josh will be equally as mad as me in the other direction how about how about 10 is 10 fair i'll put it in 10 works 10 will keep people from revolting against the podcast and leaving us bad reviews because they hate the takes. Sorry, Zelda fans. I'm not going to lie.

I thought it was going to end up a little lower. I'll be happy with 10, considering I think it's one of the best games of all time. So, okay. Then we will have it within the context. It is below God of War, Ragnarok, apex legends rocket league and it will be above valheim satisfactory outriders dos 2 and the resident evil 4 remake regardless that's really good company to be around we're ranking it here amongst some of the best games ever yeah oh yeah for sure all right so we will lock that in at number 10 and And then we got to wrap this show up, guys.

Anything to say before we close this one? I think this was the longest leaderboard and make love, marry, murder we've probably ever had. Yeah. I'll just say sorry, Zelda fans, but gamers understand. Oh, yeah. Fix your combat. What was the rating? 8.7 rating? don't know it was in

eight somewhere eight gosh the switch second best selling console of all time don't even get into the qualities of the switch all right so we are all done with this deep dive i was really looking forward to recording this i'm glad that we have this one done i know people are really excited to hear our thoughts if you're curious to know our next two deep dives are going to be humanity and Diablo four. Those will be back to back real game. We, we,

we humanity. I know, right. We, we wanted to get Diablo four out as soon as we can. So it'll be a little bit of weird scheduling. Just be on the lookout. We might have a couple of deep dives back to back and then a couple of bonus

rounds back to back. We wanted to give ourselves enough time, but to also get it out as soon as we can. As a reminder, if you're still listening to this episode 90 minutes in, go check out our Patreon page at MultiplayerSquad.com. Hit us up on socials everywhere at MultiplayerPod. And until next time,

happy gaming. See you, everybody. I'm going to go play Diablo for the rest of the night yes a real game let's do it see everybody bye