Video Gamers Podcast - The Evolution of Indie Horror Games - Gaming Podcast
Episode Date: October 16, 2025Gaming hosts Josh, Ryan, and Ace are diving deep into the eerie evolution of indie horror in gaming. From the early pixelated nightmares that defined the genre to the modern psychological terrors shap...ing today’s scene, the crew unpacks how independent creators changed the way we experience fear in video games. They’ll explore the rise of cult classics, the bold experimentation that big studios won’t touch, and why indie horror continues to push the boundaries of what gaming can be. If you love video games that send chills down your spine, this one’s for you. It’s a spine-tingling, nostalgia-packed episode of the Video Gamers Podcast! Thanks to our MYTHIC Supporters: Redletter, Disratory, Ol’ Jake, Gaius, Jigglepuf and Phelps Thanks to our Legendary Supporters: HypnoticPyro, NorwegianGreaser and PeopleWonder Connect with the show: Support us on Patreon: patreon.com/videogamerspod Join our Gaming Community: https://discord.com/invite/Dsx2rgEEbz Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/videogamerspod/ Follow us on X: https://twitter.com/VideoGamersPod Subscribe to us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@VideoGamersPod?sub_confirmation=1 Visit us on the web:https://videogamerspod.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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                                        Hello, fellow gamers, and welcome to the video gamers podcast.
                                         
    
                                        Tonight, we're stepping into the dark and tracing the evolution of indie horror.
                                         
                                        It may thrill you.
                                         
                                        It may shock you.
                                         
                                        It may even horrify you.
                                         
                                        I am your host Ace
                                         
                                        And joining me
                                         
                                        I really hope if he woke up in a middle of a forest
                                         
                                        His first decision wouldn't be
                                         
    
                                        I'm gonna start gathering these random pages
                                         
                                        It's Josh
                                         
                                        Now I am a little bit of a survivalist
                                         
                                        I would not just
                                         
                                        You know like okay guys
                                         
                                        The people in Blair Witch
                                         
                                        Like yo
                                         
                                        How dumb can you be man
                                         
    
                                        You know like you just leave
                                         
                                        You just get out of there man
                                         
                                        You don't need those creepy weird twisted
                                         
                                        stick things that at some point
                                         
                                        you just go, hey, I don't
                                         
                                        think this is worth it, we should probably
                                         
                                        leave. That's
                                         
                                        like the solution of 90% of horror movies
                                         
    
                                        like, yeah, we're just not going to stay here. We're going to
                                         
                                        leave. Like poltergeist? That's, yeah.
                                         
                                        Conjuring? Yeah. That's like that
                                         
                                        I forget what, it's like a commercial for
                                         
                                        something, but the, it's like the horror one.
                                         
                                        It's like the Allstate commercial.
                                         
                                        Yeah. She's, they're like,
                                         
                                        let's go ahead by all those chainsaws.
                                         
    
                                        And she's like, why can't we just get
                                         
                                        in the running car? He's like, no,
                                         
                                        you idiot.
                                         
                                        and he'd never work overnight security for a pizzeria for minimum wage unless someone
                                         
                                        told him they really needed him to do it for them it's Ryan I don't know man I really like
                                         
                                        pizza pizza is pretty soft if someone came up just like Ryan I really need you to do this for me
                                         
                                        you you would fold so fast yeah I'm a Jim Carrey yes man that's me I have hard time
                                         
                                        you absolutely are yeah that's very true
                                         
    
                                        all right jents it is october it is the spooky month it is time to talk about some horror games
                                         
                                        what better horror game is there than an indie horror game i mean we've seen what was that
                                         
                                        what was that look for right i saw that you're gonna get any of the games your internet connection
                                         
                                        is what's a horror oh sure thing pal whatever i i will say are there any mainstream horror games
                                         
                                        that come to mind right away?
                                         
                                        I mean, just like Resident Evil and Silent Hill.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I mean, that's it, right?
                                         
                                        Like, I don't even know, like, Outlast Trials is one of the better developed, like, horror games, I would say.
                                         
    
                                        Like, but I don't know this last of us horror.
                                         
                                        That's not really horror.
                                         
                                        It's horror adjacent.
                                         
                                        I wouldn't say horror.
                                         
                                        More thrillers.
                                         
                                        It's zombies killing people and people getting legs cut off.
                                         
                                        I would not qualify Last of Us as a horror game.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that's true.
                                         
    
                                        Do you count dying light as a horror game?
                                         
                                        Because really, you're the monster.
                                         
                                        You're the one ripping them in half with your bare hands.
                                         
                                        Yeah, those poor zombies just want to be left alone, man.
                                         
                                        Why are you such a zombieist, Ryan?
                                         
                                        You know?
                                         
                                        I hate all the zombies in the world.
                                         
                                        All the zombies in the world.
                                         
    
                                        You've seen one zombie.
                                         
                                        You've seen them all.
                                         
                                        But Andy Hore has been around for a very long time.
                                         
                                        It has evolved with game development, of course.
                                         
                                        But starting off, I want to talk about Amnesia, the Dark
                                         
                                        dissent.
                                         
                                        Oh, you talk in my languages.
                                         
                                        I know this was one you're familiar with,
                                         
    
                                        but this was the game
                                         
                                        that kind of redefined being
                                         
                                        helpless in a horror game.
                                         
                                        Most horror games at this point, it was like, you know,
                                         
                                        you had a gun, you had a knife, you had some way
                                         
                                        to fight back. And amnesia,
                                         
                                        you wake up in what, a dungeon
                                         
                                        with no memory and you just are
                                         
    
                                        told, get out?
                                         
                                        You get no weapons, you just
                                         
                                        have a lantern. That's it.
                                         
                                        I did you play this one Josh I dude I was just about to say I recommend this game to everybody that will listen to me as it is one of if not the scariest games I have ever played now I'll qualify that that psychological horror is my genre of horror it is I gore doesn't do anything to me these you know some of these games with like these creepy looking characters don't
                                         
                                        necessarily do anything for me. I want that psychological trick my brain. Give me something really
                                         
                                        weird to where I'm like, I'm like, what the heck is going on? My favorite horror movies are
                                         
                                        generally the psychological horror one, seven saw the ring, you know, those types of movies.
                                         
                                        That's what resonates with me. Amnesia of the Dark Descent while it is starting to feel pretty
                                         
    
                                        dated, which is probably why this is in your origins part, is one of the scary.
                                         
                                        games I've ever played, dude. It is masterful at creating the atmosphere. You do feel
                                         
                                        helpless because, again, you don't get guns. You don't get anything that's going to help you.
                                         
                                        And man, it does such a good job of just really, really messing with your head.
                                         
                                        You can't hide the whole time either, because if you go into the dark, your sanity bar just
                                         
                                        just goes down. Did, uh, I guess what was the, what was the one we all three played last year?
                                         
                                        the outlast trials outlast trials does is this similar to that like it kind of has drew some from from
                                         
                                        no no no this is amnesia the dark descent is you don't know who you are thus the amnesia and you're in
                                         
    
                                        this castle and all you know is that some something is like stalking you and there are many
                                         
                                        times in the game where this thing that is stalking you shows up um but the game does a such a good job
                                         
                                        of not just revealing like what's going on right like it's like those horror movies where it's like
                                         
                                        you don't know what the monster is until they finally reveal the monster as much as that can be
                                         
                                        annoying sometimes like there is benefit to that and like amnesia of the dark descent it just it does
                                         
                                        it masterfully in my opinion dude like some of the scenes where this thing is chasing you through
                                         
                                        a room or you know the sewers and you can see its footsteps in the water and the sound that goes
                                         
                                        with that freaks you out dude it is i love this game dude i i i love this game dude i i
                                         
    
                                        absolutely love this game i did like even on the trailer on like this their steam page you could see
                                         
                                        um the things coming at them they go into a room to run away and then they like slide a desk in front
                                         
                                        and you could just see the boom and the thud and then it starts to jiggle boom another one it starts
                                         
                                        to jiggle more and then they go and they like hide in the cabinet and you can hear it bust into the room
                                         
                                        so yeah no that is i can definitely feel like why there would be the suspense and why it like
                                         
                                        kind of feel that way. To me, though,
                                         
                                        the scariest part is that it's 15 years old and it's still $20.
                                         
                                        That's because it holds up.
                                         
    
                                        It does hold up.
                                         
                                        I don't know, man.
                                         
                                        $20 for a 15 year old game?
                                         
                                        I think it's Morgow that is played.
                                         
                                        Somebody in our Discord server literally said I'm in the middle of playing like Amnesia
                                         
                                        the Dark Descent.
                                         
                                        A few people have played it recently.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        But someone's actually in the middle of it.
                                         
                                        I think it's morgo.
                                         
                                        I think you're right.
                                         
                                        I recommend it to everybody.
                                         
                                        It's the scariest game I've ever played, like legitimately.
                                         
                                        Oh, really?
                                         
                                        All right.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        The next one here is Slender the Eight Pages.
                                         
                                        This came out in 2012, but I'm unsure how familiar you guys are with like creepypastas and Slender Man and things like that.
                                         
                                        But the face tells me everything.
                                         
                                        Creepypastas are basically anthology short horror stories written online by users.
                                         
                                        And this is one that was adapted into a game that spread like wildfire on YouTube.
                                         
                                        It was so popular because it was just.
                                         
                                        So simple.
                                         
                                        You spawn in as a character, in a forest with a flashlight, collect pages, there's a faceless
                                         
    
                                        monster chasing you.
                                         
                                        That's that simple.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        So I watched all these trailers, even the games I've played and I knew I rewatched the trailers
                                         
                                        for them just to kind of see how they advertise this game.
                                         
                                        This one, Ace, I will say this.
                                         
                                        As I'm watching this trailer, masterful job at suspense.
                                         
                                        A flashlight in the woods at night.
                                         
    
                                        is creepy as anything.
                                         
                                        They do a good sound of like your footsteps
                                         
                                        crunching through the leaves in the forest.
                                         
                                        I had to laugh when you go into a tiled hallway
                                         
                                        and your footsteps are still the crunching leaves.
                                         
                                        And I'm like, you probably should have rethought your sound design on this one.
                                         
                                        Like all you had to do is have some footsteps on a tile.
                                         
                                        And so that part made me laugh.
                                         
    
                                        The faceless guy, they kind of reveal him right at the end.
                                         
                                        I know who Slender Man is, you know,
                                         
                                        and it's like
                                         
                                        it's not that scary to me
                                         
                                        like if you're gonna have a horror guy
                                         
                                        like have them be scary at least
                                         
                                        but the atmosphere which is probably why the game
                                         
                                        was so popular they actually did a really good job with
                                         
    
                                        like it is it comes across as creepy like right away
                                         
                                        yeah you can you can see it and these
                                         
                                        these are the ones that like atmospheric
                                         
                                        like creepiness and
                                         
                                        the worst part for me is with like jump scares
                                         
                                        or any of that is the anticipation
                                         
                                        because I'm on pins and needles the whole time
                                         
                                        waiting for something to happen
                                         
    
                                        and then when it does I lose my mind
                                         
                                        so you could definitely feel
                                         
                                        just watching the game
                                         
                                        like how it does look
                                         
                                        like it kind of sucks you in to
                                         
                                        this just world and you're
                                         
                                        you can't really see and you're not sure where
                                         
                                        everything is so
                                         
    
                                        yeah it looks pretty cool
                                         
                                        sometimes I'd say
                                         
                                        the minimalistic like low poly aesthetics
                                         
                                        to this game kind of add to that creepy
                                         
                                        factor of it yeah a little bit makes it
                                         
                                        more yeah I was going to say sometimes
                                         
                                        the fear of a jump scare is
                                         
                                        more scary than the jumps
                                         
    
                                        yeah yeah I kept waiting
                                         
                                        during just the trailer to for the jump scare
                                         
                                        yeah and then like just that I was like
                                         
                                        oh I don't feel good about this
                                         
                                        yeah you hear the drums getting louder
                                         
                                        and louder just like oh here it comes
                                         
                                        all right moving on to when we all
                                         
                                        are probably familiar with at this point in our lives
                                         
    
                                        you can't escape it it's everywhere
                                         
                                        but five nights at Freddy's
                                         
                                        which came out in 2014
                                         
                                        which saying that
                                         
                                        physically hurts me
                                         
                                        fucking old age age
                                         
                                        yes
                                         
                                        yeah like oh
                                         
    
                                        2014 huh
                                         
                                        you were like yeah
                                         
                                        you were like 50 back then right
                                         
                                        yeah I was sure
                                         
                                        this popularized what I like to call
                                         
                                        the sit and survive
                                         
                                        horror game
                                         
                                        where you stay statically in one place
                                         
    
                                        and you control multiple tasks
                                         
                                        to avoid getting got
                                         
                                        it also popularized
                                         
                                        the mascot horror genre
                                         
                                        which we'll get into more later but what are your guys's opinions on five nights of freddies
                                         
                                        i respect it i don't find it to be overly scary in my opinion like my kids like every other
                                         
                                        kid in the world absolutely love five nights at freddies we have the vr one uh they have everyone
                                         
                                        that's ever been made like legitimately oh wow like i they love it they love five nights of
                                         
    
                                        freddies i respect it for what it is i don't personally find it to be scary because it's like
                                         
                                        I get that they're creepy animatronics, but like, it's a kid's game.
                                         
                                        So, like, they can't really lean into horror that much.
                                         
                                        So it's like they try to make the jump scares and the eyes looking at you in the dark kind
                                         
                                        of the thing that you're supposed to be weirded out by.
                                         
                                        And maybe it's just because I'm older.
                                         
                                        So it's like, I'm not scared of the dark.
                                         
                                        I'm not scared of something being under my bed at this point.
                                         
    
                                        So it, like, doesn't really do it for me.
                                         
                                        But I do like the fact that you have people that have said, hey, let's talk.
                                         
                                        target like young adults and do like creepy kind of horror that is appropriate for like young
                                         
                                        adults there's really not any gore there's not anything that would make a parent be like no you
                                         
                                        can't play that and yet it's still like classified as horror and creepy so i like i respect it for
                                         
                                        what it is it's just not really my kind of horror yeah that's fair i'm along the same vein as uh as
                                         
                                        josh with this as as a dad um my kids weren't ever really into it but i also i had some nieces and
                                         
                                        nephews that were to me all i can think about is chucky cheese like i just see the i just
                                         
    
                                        the characters and i just think this is just chunky cheese with like spooky night time but uh but yeah
                                         
                                        no it's cool i do i do like giving giving a type of genre to like younger people that that without
                                         
                                        making it like gory and bloody and nasty and stuff so they can experience kind of for whatever
                                         
                                        reason humans like we like to get scared for you know we do it on two
                                         
                                        ourselves for i don't know why but but it's enjoyable like getting that jump scare or doing those
                                         
                                        things like it's it's enjoyable so to give them the option to do something like that i think is
                                         
                                        unique and cool and they they i think they did it in the right way um i mean it's obviously like
                                         
                                        you said ace it's everybody knows it everybody knows five nights at freddies so uh second movie
                                         
    
                                        comes out in december i think so oh really geez yeah all right we're moving on to the what i call
                                         
                                        the middle era of indie games with one that kind of piggybacks off of the mascot horror
                                         
                                        genre started by FNAF, which is Bendy in the Ink Machine.
                                         
                                        This is a very stylized game.
                                         
                                        It is stylized in like this 1930s animation aesthetic cartoon style with a very simple plot.
                                         
                                        You were an animator that worked at this studio.
                                         
                                        You received a letter to come back to this studio.
                                         
                                        Now you're trapped in the studio with a giant ink demon.
                                         
    
                                        Have you guys, do you have any kind of familiarity with this series?
                                         
                                        I bought this game for my kid when she was like, Dad, I like Five Nights of Freddy's.
                                         
                                        There's this game called Bendy and the Ink Machine.
                                         
                                        So I'm actually pretty familiar with this one.
                                         
                                        I watched her play it a decent bit.
                                         
                                        Like, the art style is fantastic.
                                         
                                        The gameplay seems really good.
                                         
                                        Like she quite enjoyed her time with it.
                                         
    
                                        It stands out as a unique game.
                                         
                                        You know, I didn't really get to see like the horror elements part when she was playing
                                         
                                        because I didn't like watch her play it nonstop or anything.
                                         
                                        So I don't really know what the horror is.
                                         
                                        But in my mind, it's just, again,
                                         
                                        it's just kind of like an iteration of Five Nights of Freddy's
                                         
                                        where it's like there's probably some creepy looking thing
                                         
                                        that is chasing you down a hallway or that you come across
                                         
    
                                        and you're supposed to be scared of and that kind of thing.
                                         
                                        So I don't know if that's a fair representation of it.
                                         
                                        But I do know that it is like a creepy, you know,
                                         
                                        like it's weird to call like some games horror because like,
                                         
                                        I mean,
                                         
                                        I know they are, but creepy is a better term when it comes to, like, kids games, in my opinion, because you're not really getting it's like horror games.
                                         
                                        But, yeah, she quite enjoyed Benning the machine and the art style, and it's great, dude.
                                         
                                        That's what really makes it stand out is that art style.
                                         
    
                                        I agree. That's what I mean, I love the old, you know, kind of like a steamboat, you know, Mickey Mouse and stuff like that, that style back then. I really enjoy.
                                         
                                        This one actually looks pretty cool. I honestly have never.
                                         
                                        heard of this game before
                                         
                                        I'm surprised. I look at this. Yeah, I mean
                                         
                                        maybe the name is vaguely familiar, but
                                         
                                        yeah, my kids have never really been
                                         
                                        into this style of games or these types, you know, so
                                         
                                        I never had too much exposure to it.
                                         
    
                                        And I was, you know, too old. I wasn't really interested.
                                         
                                        But yeah, it looks super cool.
                                         
                                        I like the aesthetics of it. I like that. I think that's a good
                                         
                                        name for it. It's like more creepy games than horror games.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I agree with you on that.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I can't believe this came out in 2017, though.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah, that just shocks me.
                                         
                                        And this is one, uh, something I talked about in our grumpy gamers episode was like,
                                         
    
                                        I don't like episodic game releases.
                                         
                                        Bendy started off like that, which now they sell it, I think, is a full package,
                                         
                                        which I'm so glad they do that now instead of just like, oh, yeah, we're going to sell you
                                         
                                        each individual piece.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        But yeah.
                                         
                                        Moving on to Tormented Souls, which came out in 2021.
                                         
                                        And I know you hate when people do this, but, uh, I know you hate it.
                                         
    
                                        it, Josh. This is a modern survival horror which combines aspects of resonant evil and
                                         
                                        Silent Hill. You watched the trailer, Josh. What did you think of this one? I thought that
                                         
                                        this game looks like the best game on your list, dude. At all, like, legitimately,
                                         
                                        legitimately, dude, I, you know, well, I say that there's like a couple of the newer games
                                         
                                        like reanimal and ill, I think, look really, really good. But like, if we're talking the older
                                         
                                        games that we're covering, I even message you guys, man. And I was like, bro, what is this
                                         
                                        tormented souls game? How did I not know about this? This game looks great to me, dude.
                                         
                                        Like, legitimately looks great. And it's, you know, you say Resident Evil, but I almost want to say
                                         
    
                                        like Tomb Raider a little bit in there as well, just because you have the protagonist.
                                         
                                        I can see it. Like, you have the female protagonist and she is wandering around. She seems tough.
                                         
                                        She seems like, you know, you don't mess with her kind of thing. And.
                                         
                                        I am super curious about this game
                                         
                                        because the monster design really weirds me out
                                         
                                        there's moments in the game
                                         
                                        that are really creepy
                                         
                                        that just make my brain go like
                                         
    
                                        what's like what is going on
                                         
                                        like out of all the games on this list
                                         
                                        dude I would probably be most likely
                                         
                                        to actually pick this game up and play it
                                         
                                        because it looks like a full-fledged game
                                         
                                        with horror like I think the genre is horror
                                         
                                        but the game itself seems like a very
                                         
                                        well-rounded, fully fleshed-out
                                         
    
                                        game, and I love how they
                                         
                                        designed and, like, presented the horror
                                         
                                        aspects of this game.
                                         
                                        Yeah. This one for me looks
                                         
                                        really cool, too. I have one
                                         
                                        other one that I'm really interested in,
                                         
                                        for sure, on Aces' list,
                                         
                                        but anytime they have, like,
                                         
    
                                        a morgue setting, and then
                                         
                                        they have, like, catacombs, and
                                         
                                        all that kind of stuff, it just, it just
                                         
                                        breeds, like, creepy,
                                         
                                        nasty horror nature.
                                         
                                        And, yeah, I liked it. I liked it. I like
                                         
                                        the look of it. It, like you said,
                                         
                                        Justin, it looked like a full kind of
                                         
    
                                        unique experience, a good, unique game.
                                         
                                        So, yeah, this one actually looks really
                                         
                                        good. I've actually played
                                         
                                        a bit of this one. And it is really
                                         
                                        good. It is hard, though. Like, if
                                         
                                        you remember the original Resident Evil
                                         
                                        where you had, like, limited saves,
                                         
                                        limited ammo, things like that.
                                         
    
                                        You felt like two bullets at time. Tank controls.
                                         
                                        Like you open a joy, you're like,
                                         
                                        oh, thank goodness bullets. Oh,
                                         
                                        it's the best thing you could ever give me.
                                         
                                        Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
                                         
                                        tape. I can't believe it.
                                         
                                        But yeah, no, this
                                         
                                        one, Termin to Souls is actually fantastic
                                         
    
                                        and it has a sequel coming out this month.
                                         
                                        That makes me want to look up the sequel.
                                         
                                        I don't, like, because it's like
                                         
                                        the only
                                         
                                        complaint that I could give about this game
                                         
                                        not playing, it was just, you know, the graphics
                                         
                                        are a little dated. I mean, they're not bad by any
                                         
                                        means, but like, it makes me really wonder
                                         
    
                                        like, where did they go with this?
                                         
                                        Yeah. All right, fellas, before we lose our sanity
                                         
                                        bars completely, why don't we take a little break?
                                         
                                        all right we are back talking about the evolution of indie horror moving on to faith the unholy trinity from 2022 is more they already looking at me weird
                                         
                                        this is an eight-bit game with rotoscope animation within it which really makes it creepy honestly the rotoscope animation is what makes this game you need
                                         
                                        How would you describe rotoscope, Ace, to somebody that doesn't know?
                                         
                                        Roto scope is like take the full body, like the live action full body of a person and actively translate the movements in real time.
                                         
                                        Like it's the outline of people almost.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, it's like the outline of people.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        It's not quite right.
                                         
                                        Like, you know, like how Polar Express just looks off?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        It's like that.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it definitely looks off, dude.
                                         
                                        like this game dude like
                                         
    
                                        it looks like someone
                                         
                                        like pixelated trauma
                                         
                                        this game
                                         
                                        this game looks like Windows 95
                                         
                                        ran on holy water and fear
                                         
                                        it's it's like this game
                                         
                                        looks like it's like MS paint
                                         
                                        discovered religion and
                                         
    
                                        regret at the same time
                                         
                                        this game looks like someone
                                         
                                        tried to summon Satan using
                                         
                                        basic
                                         
                                        it's like this game's like the devil's
                                         
                                        first PowerPoint presentation
                                         
                                        man.
                                         
                                        For real, exactly.
                                         
    
                                        This game looks like Silent Hill was remade using a graphing calculator.
                                         
                                        Poor faithy on Holy Train.
                                         
                                        For my eyes!
                                         
                                        What are you talking about it?
                                         
                                        My eyes!
                                         
                                        This game makes the finalistic graphics, all right?
                                         
                                        It's like a cutting edge game, dude.
                                         
                                        It's from the future.
                                         
    
                                        It's minimalistic graphics with a deeply unsettling theme, all right?
                                         
                                        They really leaned into the minimalists for sure.
                                         
                                        Yeah, minimalists, as in like,
                                         
                                        There's four pixels on the screen.
                                         
                                        Look, you can't make a horror game when you don't have room to put blood on somebody.
                                         
                                        At one point, there's a character.
                                         
                                        There's five pixels walking around, and four of the pixels are blood.
                                         
                                        And I just, I had to laugh so hard at some of these scenes in this game because I'm like,
                                         
    
                                        this is why I wanted you to describe RotoScope, because like RotoScope basically means nope,
                                         
                                        more like Roto Nope, because the graphics in this game,
                                         
                                        are the worst graphics
                                         
                                        I have ever seen
                                         
                                        in my life
                                         
                                        and bro we've been seeing
                                         
                                        a lot of Mena the Hollower lately
                                         
                                        and this is saying something
                                         
    
                                        dude
                                         
                                        I couldn't
                                         
                                        I couldn't make out half the time
                                         
                                        what I was supposed to be seeing
                                         
                                        on the screen
                                         
                                        and so instead of being a
                                         
                                        It's a blue blob running
                                         
                                        dude it's a blue blob running
                                         
    
                                        what do you mean?
                                         
                                        And I'm like is this my character?
                                         
                                        Is this like what is this guy
                                         
                                        I
                                         
                                        Ace is just like
                                         
                                        Whatever guys get it out
                                         
                                        I can't say it out
                                         
                                        Get it out guys
                                         
    
                                        The horror of this game
                                         
                                        Is watching this game
                                         
                                        Like that is the horror
                                         
                                        But like I like legitimately
                                         
                                        I don't know how
                                         
                                        You try to make a game scary
                                         
                                        If I can't tell what I'm looking at
                                         
                                        The pixel art people are going to come for you do
                                         
    
                                        The unsettling nature of the unknown
                                         
                                        The unknown is very scary
                                         
                                        So when I watch this like
                                         
                                        And I think the trailer is like a minute and 20 seconds.
                                         
                                        For a minute and 20 seconds, I was very unknown what I was watching.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        The whole game's unknown.
                                         
                                        You can't tell what it is.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Mortis.
                                         
                                        At least it has voice acting.
                                         
                                        No, it doesn't because it uses that weird robotic voice from the old Robo Wars Atari game.
                                         
                                        Or I can't even remember the game.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it adds to the feeling of the whole game.
                                         
                                        What's the feeling?
                                         
                                        Pain.
                                         
    
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Pain.
                                         
                                        Pain and torture?
                                         
                                        Torture is pretty horrific, Ace.
                                         
                                        all right fine
                                         
                                        moving on to what I consider
                                         
                                        the modern frontier of indie games
                                         
                                        where we are currently at
                                         
    
                                        Poppy Playtime
                                         
                                        you've heard the name I'm sure
                                         
                                        I think you even had someone who was a voice actor
                                         
                                        for this game onto the show at one point
                                         
                                        we probably did
                                         
                                        my son cosplayed Poppy Playtime
                                         
                                        yeah okay yeah very popular
                                         
                                        the main character actually just got out of Fortnite
                                         
    
                                        as a skin
                                         
                                        of course
                                         
                                        of course it is
                                         
                                        you enter a toy shop, a toy factory, whatever it is,
                                         
                                        you get trapped inside, the monster chases you.
                                         
                                        This is our new mascot horror that slowly,
                                         
                                        I wouldn't say usurping FNAF,
                                         
                                        but it's taking its place in the children's eyes.
                                         
    
                                        So unique.
                                         
                                        Where teens have taken a whole of Phaf.
                                         
                                        Hey, Ryan, you know what we should do if we want to make like a horror game?
                                         
                                        What if we made it about something that kids like,
                                         
                                        like either like Chucky Cheese or toys?
                                         
                                        And then we just, you know,
                                         
                                        made it where those toys or those anima,
                                         
                                        metronic things were scary
                                         
    
                                        and then that would be creepy
                                         
                                        but then we could market it to kids
                                         
                                        because kids don't get to play horror games very
                                         
                                        often but we need some
                                         
                                        inspiration for this game so
                                         
                                        let's rip off the game from 10 years
                                         
                                        ago and then we'll make it
                                         
                                        our game but we'll make it
                                         
    
                                        almost exactly like the other games
                                         
                                        but we'll just call it something different
                                         
                                        and maybe we'll throw in some puzzle
                                         
                                        into the game so that
                                         
                                        we can say it's different.
                                         
                                        You forgot the part where you don't finish the
                                         
                                        and you keep releasing.
                                         
                                        Oh, but then you have to do the episodic thing that we know Ace hates where it's like,
                                         
    
                                        hey, we're going to do episode one, episode two.
                                         
                                        But how do we make toys scary?
                                         
                                        Just add teeth to them, guys.
                                         
                                        That's it.
                                         
                                        If you just add a whole bunch of teeth, it's scary.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Oh, gosh.
                                         
                                        How is this any different than Five Nights of Freddy's, man?
                                         
    
                                        Five Nights at Freddy's needs to follow Nintendo and get some lawyers.
                                         
                                        Get some good lawyers.
                                         
                                        Like, it's all about the lore stuff with these kind of,
                                         
                                        these kind of games now too, man, where people just really sink their teeth into the lore
                                         
                                        and the theories and things like that.
                                         
                                        Well, I'll tell you one thing. Having a child, he's, my son is nine. He's been on Poppy's
                                         
                                        playtime for a while. I had no clue what it was until something showed up at the house. I'm
                                         
                                        like, what is this giant blue rectangle head thing that's furry, you know? And so, um,
                                         
    
                                        the thing is he's never played the game, but he watches YouTube videos of people playing
                                         
                                        these. And that's what a lot of these kids do.
                                         
                                        That's how these games get
                                         
                                        broadcasted out to
                                         
                                        all these kids is they all sit and they
                                         
                                        just watch YouTube players, you know, where
                                         
                                        people are playing them. And then that's how they fall in love.
                                         
                                        That's like their TV shows.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, it's wild.
                                         
                                        But man, I bet this thing is making so much money.
                                         
                                        Oh, dude, it is making bank.
                                         
                                        Oh, but moving on to Lethal Company.
                                         
                                        We all played Lethal Company.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We freaking love Lethal Company.
                                         
                                        What makes Lethal Company so special, though, Ryan?
                                         
    
                                        um gosh among many things um the suspense nature with with the the kind of proxy chat and i i know we
                                         
                                        we poo-poo on bad graphics quite often i don't know how much i would like lethal company if it was
                                         
                                        really really solid graphics i i think the grainy nature of it the the graphics that aren't as good
                                         
                                        kind of help the game
                                         
                                        I think it leads to that suspense
                                         
                                        I can't really see
                                         
                                        I can't really tell
                                         
                                        the audio is good
                                         
    
                                        I love lethal company
                                         
                                        I'm such a weirdo
                                         
                                        I would play it
                                         
                                        at like six in the morning
                                         
                                        sometimes before work by myself
                                         
                                        like yeah it's it's a solid one
                                         
                                        definitely good for spooky season
                                         
                                        oh dude generally
                                         
    
                                        we always have a good time
                                         
                                        when we boot up lethal company
                                         
                                        and with the proximity chat
                                         
                                        that just makes everything so good
                                         
                                        it's iconic at this point
                                         
                                        Like, legitimately, I would say lethal company is iconic as a game.
                                         
                                        It started the friend-slop trend.
                                         
                                        Finally, moving on to mouthwashing, which came out last year.
                                         
    
                                        This is a, like, dreamlike PSX style game with psychological horror elements.
                                         
                                        You're a crew of this spaceship delivery company that's gotten into a horrible accident.
                                         
                                        Your captain is in not good shape.
                                         
                                        and your entire crew is falling apart every moment.
                                         
                                        I like how the one part you walk through like a hallway of eyeballs looking at you.
                                         
                                        You're not doing good.
                                         
                                        I thought this one looked kind of good, man.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        Oh, it's great.
                                         
                                        People love this game.
                                         
                                        I kind of am curious on this one.
                                         
                                        It's weird enough to peak my interest the, I like alien spaceship type stuff.
                                         
                                        That's scary.
                                         
                                        That's a good atmosphere.
                                         
                                        You know, dead space, aliens, that kind of thing.
                                         
                                        and there's something about mouthwashing
                                         
    
                                        that kind of piques my interest, to be honest.
                                         
                                        So I'm actually curious about this one.
                                         
                                        And it's got almost...
                                         
                                        I think you'd enjoy it.
                                         
                                        It's got almost 22,000 reviews overwhelmingly positive.
                                         
                                        Yeah, which tells you something, man.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        People wanted it to win indie game of the year last year.
                                         
    
                                        Oh, really?
                                         
                                        That's how much people liked it.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        And you love psychological horror, so it's perfect for you.
                                         
                                        This one just seemed right up my alley
                                         
                                        and the different characters
                                         
                                        and something's going wrong.
                                         
                                        Your captain's, you know,
                                         
    
                                        the premise in the game description
                                         
                                        is the captain has like not thrown you all under the bus,
                                         
                                        but basically he is causing you guys to die with him.
                                         
                                        So there's that whole like weird thing going on.
                                         
                                        But yeah, this one, it's worth a wish list to me
                                         
                                        because I want to at some point think about maybe playing this one.
                                         
                                        Nice.
                                         
                                        And real quick, we're going to touch up on some upcoming indie horror games,
                                         
    
                                        starting with Reanimal, which is the,
                                         
                                        I'm going to say this is just the spiritual successor to Little Nightmares.
                                         
                                        It is, you know, what everyone wanted from Little Nightmares from the original team since Little Nightmares 3 ain't doing so hot, right?
                                         
                                        No, it's not.
                                         
                                        You guys actually interviewed someone who worked on Reanimal, right?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah, the creative director for Tarshire Studios, man.
                                         
                                        I'll say this.
                                         
    
                                        I have zero interest in the Little Nightmares 3.
                                         
                                        I know it's not getting great reviews right now, but Reanimal, we will cover Reanimal on
                                         
                                        this podcast because I know like all three of us are very excited to play it they have a demo out
                                         
                                        right now for my understanding that they just released but yeah reanimal is very high up my list
                                         
                                        of games that I am really looking forward to that fall under this like horror genre um I think
                                         
                                        it's going to be great and it's also going to be a great like stick it to the company that bought
                                         
                                        Little Nightmares three and then ruined it yeah and then uh ill man where
                                         
                                        do we start with ill bro oh now you're now we're talking baby you know you know i said like
                                         
    
                                        gore doesn't do it for me right you're taking that back weird blobby really creepy looking
                                         
                                        humanoid people but then there's a blob of like a hundred of them like bro this physics in
                                         
                                        this game creeps me like out to like a whole another level man oh dude
                                         
                                        Yeah, there's something about it.
                                         
                                        And obviously, it looks good.
                                         
                                        It looks phenomenal.
                                         
                                        It looks phenomenal.
                                         
                                        It's very well designed.
                                         
    
                                        The graphics look amazing.
                                         
                                        The world building, like the, the, you can tell, like, it's just chaos.
                                         
                                        Every, every room you go in is just decrepit and stuff stacked everywhere.
                                         
                                        Like, it's, they did a really good job on setting the scene in this game as well.
                                         
                                        I can't wait, man.
                                         
                                        This thing looks, this thing looks good.
                                         
                                        Like, when I'm talking about, you know, indie evolution, this is.
                                         
                                        what I mean. We are now blurring the line between indie graphics and triple A graphics. Yes. Yes. And that's
                                         
    
                                        going from Slender Man to this is crazy. If you are a gamer and you have not watched the trailer for
                                         
                                        ill, trust us when we say you need to watch this trailer. You need to see it. It is it is bananas, dude.
                                         
                                        It is unlike any other game I have seen. It is a, it's horror on a different level, man. This trailer
                                         
                                        weirds me out, dude.
                                         
                                        It weirds out my brain.
                                         
                                        It is well worth
                                         
                                        taking a look at.
                                         
                                        I'm probably more hyped for ill
                                         
    
                                        than any of these upcoming games, to be honest.
                                         
                                        There's like a ham cut off
                                         
                                        with like fingers cut off
                                         
                                        and the fingers are like crawling away.
                                         
                                        It's so creepy.
                                         
                                        Yeah, and you're like, oh,
                                         
                                        and then the sound is like
                                         
                                        of like them eating the baby section
                                         
    
                                        from Resident Evil 8.
                                         
                                        The whole game's this way.
                                         
                                        The whole game looks like this, man.
                                         
                                        Yeah, I'm super pumped for ill, dude.
                                         
                                        and real quickly we'll just hit on this one final sentence which is a i've never heard of this
                                         
                                        a battle royale horror game where you all are in a room typing all at once typing sentences
                                         
                                        and paragraphs this game's weird man the first person like first person who screws up gets shot in the
                                         
                                        face like it's squid game it is squid game but for typing like and you can't make it apparently
                                         
    
                                        you can make a mistake or two but like your third typing mistake but you have to type over a certain
                                         
                                        speed so it's like it's a really neat premise and i like the way that they've presented this
                                         
                                        because they did a great job with this trailer and kind of showing some of the gameplay stuff but at
                                         
                                        the same time this one also looks really good it's ultimately just a typing game which like
                                         
                                        they used to have to do back in like competitive typing i mean i mean but come on man like i don't know
                                         
                                        it's i think the challenge here is the not making the mistakes right because we can all type
                                         
                                        fast everybody's been typing since they were born at this point right but it's like but you
                                         
                                        can't make yeah that's fair that's the problem so then it's like do you slow down but the more
                                         
    
                                        you think about typing the worse you get at it so i don't know i think you said there's a demo
                                         
                                        going on for this or yeah there's a demo for this i might hop in just to see i don't have high hopes
                                         
                                        for this one but it is they've done smoke them kids they've done a good job presenting the game i'll
                                         
                                        say that i agree yeah it looks it looks good the graphics are nice um
                                         
                                        I do find it funny like you mess up and he's like, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no.
                                         
                                        And there's a guy standing there and just, boom, and he just blows your brains out.
                                         
                                        I think it is unique.
                                         
                                        I think it's cool.
                                         
    
                                        It is like a typing game, but, you know, maybe that's what people need.
                                         
                                        It's just something different, something unique.
                                         
                                        So I did think this one was funny.
                                         
                                        That's what we always love.
                                         
                                        We always love something unique.
                                         
                                        Yep.
                                         
                                        All right.
                                         
                                        That was a lot of games, fellas.
                                         
    
                                        I know we went through it fast.
                                         
                                        But thank you all so much for listening to this.
                                         
                                        And if I really want to know, what are your favorite indie horror games?
                                         
                                        What are you going to be playing this month?
                                         
                                        You know, let me know.
                                         
                                        I'll probably check them out.
                                         
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