Wake Up to Wealth - The Future of AI and Work with Cooper Simson
Episode Date: November 21, 2025In episode 50 of Wake Up to Wealth, Brandon Brittingham interviews Cooper Simson, the portfolio manager for Martell Ventures, as he discusses the current state of AI as a powerful tool that can automa...te mundane tasks, allowing professionals to focus on higher-value activities.Tune in to discover more about changing your mindset around wealth and making informed financial decisions! SOCIAL MEDIA LINKSBrandon BrittinghamInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mailboxmoneyb/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brandon.brittingham.1/Cooper SimsonEmail: cooper@danmartell.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/coop_doggydog/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cooper-simson-896957WEBSITESBrandon Brittingham: https://www.brandonsbrain.org/home==========================SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS:Paramount Property Tax Appeal: https://www.paramountpropertytaxappeal.com/MS Consultants: https://www.costsegs.com/Email Carson at The Money Multiplier: carson@themoneymultiplier.comRocketly: https://rocketly.ai/
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works. And today I've got Cooper Simpson. Thank you so much for coming on today. And you do some really
cool stuff. But I want you to tell us what you do. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks a time, Brandon.
excited to be here, huge fan of the, huge fan of the show, and I'm happy to help everybody
wake up to some wealth today. But yeah, the quick short, the short, long story on myself is
I currently right now am the portfolio manager for Martel Ventures, which is the AI venture
studio of Dan Martel. So basically my days are spent right now evaluating, meeting, talking
with AI founders, figuring out what's kind of coming at the tip of the spear down the
pipeline for anything and everything in the AI space, but specifically on the application
side. So what is working right now solving problems for businesses? And yeah, some quick numbers.
I think we've evaluated close to 3,500 companies this year. I think of myself, I've directly
spoken with almost 700 founders. So yeah, happy to kind of share and go over anything and
everything in the AI space with you, say.
Yeah, before we jump into that, so unless you live under a rock and you don't know who Dan
Martel is, like not saying this because you're on the show, like seriously, buyback your
time is probably one of the best business books ever written.
And if you guys have not read this book, I would highly suggest, I read it multiple times.
You guys all know I have a large coaching business.
I get a lot of my clients to read this book.
I usually read it now about twice a year,
and I've found kind of little nuggets that I missed.
And I actually saw Dan speak.
I was actually speaking at an event that Dan was speaking at.
I didn't run into him at the same time.
I honestly didn't know who he was.
This was a couple years ago.
And I was in the crowd listening.
He said some really profound things.
And then he mentioned the books.
And then I went and read it.
And I was like,
there was a lot of principles in the book that we all know and understand and we've heard,
but it was the first time I saw somebody kind of almost operationalized it, almost like an engineer,
but it wasn't overly confusing and very easy to follow.
And it made a massive impact on my life, and it made a massive impact on my businesses.
I will tell you, my staff hates this.
But one of the things that I did from reading that book is I will not.
ever respond to a damn email.
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and handles my email, but just
a little simple, which is probably given some people
anxiety listen to this, but little
simple things that I picked up from that book
that gave me so much of my time
back and made me so much more efficient.
So I just wanted to give that plug because
if you've not read that book, you should.
I promise you it's a game-changing book.
And it's profoundly
changed my life and a lot of entrepreneurs
that are out there. It's been
awesome. So read it.
you haven't. So jumping in AI is a hot topic. It's sexy. A lot of people don't understand.
Some people do. I just, if you were to give us a 30,000 foot view and you said, this is where I really
think it's going to change the game and this is what's coming. Because I think there's a lot of
people that talk about it, but don't maybe really understand it at probably a level that you do.
If you would, just give, because I think some people are in fear, they're scared.
and I think there's a lot of people
that are trying to take advantage of this
that don't really know what they're doing.
Just give us your 30,000 foot view.
Yeah, so I'll kind of give the 30,000 foot view
of where it's at right now
because there's a lot of,
there's a lot of hype right now
and people are kind of getting,
I definitely see where people don't understand
what is capable of now,
but I also kind of talk about where it's going
at a high level.
So right now, the best way to think of AI
is in its current form, it's fully a tool.
So it's very,
And what is very good at doing is essentially taking out all of the repeatable, boring manual steps that any person is able to do.
So there's that phrase, kind of the classic one with AI right now, that AI isn't going to take your job, somebody using AI will take your job.
I think that's, that is very much true.
But I also think there's a bit of, there's a lot of scaring kind of, I would say, negativity around AI that is going to just,
wipe out a ton of people and nobody's going to know what to do with themselves.
What we've been really seeing right now is it's just shifting what people are spending
their focus and time on.
So the best example I can give is a receptionist because we have a couple tools that we
have in our portfolio that focus on like voice AI and handling incoming calls.
If you're a receptionist, instead of basically fielding 40 calls in a day where someone's
calling in and just ask what your hours of operation are or to call in and ask like
basic questions that they should have looked up on Google or online, AI is going to handle that
now. So if you are actually doing receptionist tasks, you can now focus on the more higher leverage,
higher value ones in terms of actually dealing with clients, actually scheduling stuff and
doing more high value tasks, as opposed to the mundane ones. Same thing from like a sales
perspective. If you're in sales, instead of spending half your day or the majority of your
time doing prospecting, AI can do the prospecting for you now. So instead of
of being 80% prospecting, 20% closing, you can now shift that to where you're going 80% closing,
20% prospecting. So really what AI is doing is it's shifting what people's focuses are in their
jobs and roles. So that way each person is able to do higher leverage tasks, which ends up turning
B level talent into A level talent, C level talent into B level talent. So really, if you're thinking
of this, if you're someone who's either working at a job right now or if you employ a bunch of people,
just start really thinking and looking into what are the high value things people do
and just making sure that they're actually good at doing those
because people are going to start doing more of those in the coming months.
And again, into kind of like the next year.
And then where everything is going, though,
and kind of what we've really been seeing is that right now AI is a tool
coming up in the next year to 18 months.
You're really going to start seeing AI actually be a team member inside an organization.
So there will be specific.
So right now a person still has to essentially direct an AI tool or an AI system to take a task.
Coming up in the next little while, it's just going to be living inside of your, either your Slack, your Gmail.
If you have Zoom means, it's going to sit inside there.
If you have, I think what's going to be really common is everyone's going to be wearing AI kind of pins that are always listening.
And what's going to happen is you're going to have now a system that is able to take action on what's happening around you.
and it's going to act more like a team member.
So if I'm sitting here with,
if we're having a conversation right now and I go,
hey,
actually,
can you send me the transcript after this?
Or can you send me the call notes?
Instead of me having to go click a couple of buttons and make that action happen,
it'll just automatically happen.
So the way to start thinking about it is the skills everybody needs to get good at,
whether you're an employee or an employer is actually very funny,
similar to buy back your time.
I know like the email analogy is a good one because sometimes people have a really hard time
letting go of just that task of them being good at their evening.
email. You have to start assuming that you have to get really comfortable at letting go of all
the menial repetitive tasks and assume that AI is actually better at it than you are. And that
if you do those things, you are the bottleneck. So you need to start getting very comfortable at
knowing how to delegate, knowing how to direct different tools, different systems. So that way you can
be as effective yourself as possible. So at a very, very, very, very high level, that's kind of
the current state of the union. And then also where everything is looking to go on.
happy to go into more detail in terms of like some actual specifics on that but that's kind of
the broad stroke overview yeah thank you no we will so another thing is so i kind of the analogy
that i'll give you right is a lot of people come to me and when they they want to go on this journey
of investing in real estate yeah and they are overwhelmed of oh my god where do i even start um
I see this very similar in AI, is people are just, like, I've sat at conferences and someone
gets on stage and they start talking about AI and people are just like, this is overwhelming.
I don't know what to do.
So I'm a believer of you need to adopt and you need to understand and you need to be ahead of this, right?
But I think there's a portion of people who are sitting in fear where in over.
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I would say start with the lowest hanging fruit.
And the lowest hanging fruit right now is the beautiful thing about AI is that it's really good
at figuring out where it can actually help you.
So what I always kind of tell people actually, this is the same process we use internally
is take your task list.
This is the first thing.
Look at your task list for the week.
Look at your task list for the day.
One of the rules we have with every new hire that comes in is obviously get your stuff
done.
So get everything done.
But you can't at the end of the day actually check.
something off that list, unless you've looked at how can AI help solve this?
So an example is we, uh, every business has an expense management, like issue.
People spend money.
They don't keep track of the receipts.
It's a mess.
So one of the things that I know one of the kind of the new analysts on our team that I
had him basically do is look and say, hey, I need you to solve this problem.
So at first, he's going into my inbox.
He's finding the receipts for all the different things.
sending them to be whatever the account is that deals with all of that.
Eventually, though, he starts looking and says, okay, what I can actually do is let's go
to the source of each one of the receipts that we know coming constantly because there's
about 15 of them.
And let's just figure out, okay, how can I actually just get AI to read the inbox,
figure out which emails of those are coming in, extract the, because it wasn't as simple
as just set up an email forward for those addresses because some would come in and say,
hey, your receipt is ready, but you have to go into the tool and then download the PDF and send
it over. So he's like, all right, let's just set up a quick little automation that can read all
the emails that come through. If it needs to go grab it, it can go into the account, grab the
email, send it over. And now that task is, I would say plus or minus 90% automated, where there's
the odd email that'll sneak or the odd receipt that'll sneak through. But a simple way is just look at
the list that you have, and then start asking AI on it. So the way that he got to that
solution is he just said, hey, here's the task that I have. How would, he went in a chat,
GPT, went into Claude, whatever, what do you want to use, Gemini, Grock, any of the big
major kind of chat tools, and just said, hey, here's my task. How would you automate this?
And AI basically gave him the roadmap. It took him probably three, four hours. He followed the
process got a built out. And then so the low-hanging fruit is just find the simple things
that have high uptake. And so an easy one that I tell everybody is if you're not using
meeting transcribers or tools like otter, fathom, fireflies, really doesn't matter which
one it is. If you're not capturing every conversation you're talking about, you're missing out on a
treasure trove of information. So start there. And then just look at what you need to do. Ask chat,
GPD how you can actually automate them and then just start following the process. And what you'll
see is at first it's going to feel really slow. At first, it's going to feel like, hey, this one minute
task took me three hours to set up an automation for that kind of exchange doesn't work out. But when you
start to stack these things time over time, over time, over time, you'll look back after a month,
month and a half. You're like, holy crap, half of the manual little annoying things are no longer
tasks that you have to deal with. So that's probably the easiest way, I would say,
for a way to kind of jump into it. And then if you have questions, if you want to know how you
can go that next level deeper, just start asking AI even deeper. Like, there's this thing that
everybody in our organization has called a, like a master prompt. And essentially what it is,
is you just ask chat GPT or Claude to help you build a master prompt. You sit down at your
computer for about 45 minutes to an hour and a half. Tell it everything about your
role, everything about your business, all of the processes, everything about yourself, even as an
individual. And then start asking questions on how can I use AI to make my life easier, find the
bottlenecks that I'm dealing with. And you'll be amazed at how many areas that you think can't be
automated actually can be automated and how simple the steps are to actually get that done.
That was awesome. And that, I mean, that's simple, right? It's like you broke the people. People,
people from the, you know, a lot of people get overwhelmed with this, but that I think you gave a very,
very simple kind of thread of how to figure this out. So thank you for that. On the portfolio side,
the portfolio companies that you guys are looking at, like you're obviously seeing a lot of cool
stuff. Like what in your world, like right now is getting you excited? Like you're seeing stuff
and you're like, oh my God, this is the future. Like what's getting you excited right now?
Ooh. So yeah, in terms of the products that we're seeing, really like our main focus is everything that can solve a real problem right now. So we're not looking at the crazy, hardcore, like, sexy tech stuff. But what I will say in terms of like one of the things I guess me most excited is I have a bit of a hot take, but I think typing is going to kind of go the way of handwriting in the next two to three years. I know like I'm kind of sitting like the office I'm in right now has like glass walls on all sides except for the one behind me.
me and everybody can kind of see me and I'm just literally talking 24-7 to my computer.
So what I'm starting to notice is that a lot of these AI tools are building in voice
functionality or there's tools that will let you turn any input field on your computer into a voice
chat, AI powered voice chat service.
There's one, I have no affiliation to this, but there's a couple of them.
One's called like whisper, a whisper flow, another is called super whisper.
definitely recommend those because I don't know about you, but I can talk way faster than I can
type. So if I can just talk all my typing, it goes way better. But even still, we're starting
to see like more and more and more products are not having users use like a click and type
interaction. It's all voice interaction. And just seeing the really cool use cases people are
coming up with, with how we actually interact with the product, only talking to it. And
just it feels like magic where you you sign up for an account you open up a voice agent will
kind of pop up talk to you for 15 minutes and then all the things that you want to have happen
are already done on the back end so by the time you're done that 15 minutes everything is ready
to go and you finish you're like holy crap that was sweet I didn't have to do anything
except just basically say what I wanted to get accomplished and that's one of the things that
we're looking really forward to here is just in basically every niche
and every product and every interaction,
I think more and more and more
voice is going to be the kind of
new user interface. And that's a pretty
exciting thing that we've been noticing. That's very
different from how we've basically
interacted with computers for the last
since they've been around. And that's kind of
where in the next year and a half I mentioned before,
it's going to be more like a teammate. We're just
going to be talking to these tools. We're not going to be
pointing and clicking, typing, just
talking. You know,
saying that, listen to you, I don't think that's
a hot take. I think
you're right because if you think about with AI almost being a stream of consciousness anyway
and you when just sitting here thinking through this sometimes texting somebody is faster but
you don't necessarily get the context where I could call somebody in five minutes and solve the
problem versus 19 different text messages that don't have context I actually think you're
on to something with that because you're right.
And if you think about even typing how inefficient that is versus talking and talking
is the stream of consciousness that I don't know.
I think I don't know that that's a hot take.
I think you're actually right.
It's funny.
Like I talk with some people and they're like, oh, no, no, no.
We're going to be typing them.
I'm like, well, it's actually a better interface as well because you kind of hit the nail
on the head.
But we've been noted.
Well, it's not a crazy thing once you actually think about it.
but people like to blab more than they'll type.
Typing is kind of you're going to find the path of least resistance.
Have you ever seen an online form?
If it says, tell me how you found out about us today, you're going to type.
Yeah, it's quick, yeah.
New words as possible.
Whereas if it's a voice interaction, how do you hear about you?
Well, actually, I heard about it from like Brandon on his podcast.
And all of a sudden in the same 25 seconds, you got 10x the context.
And so that is definitely where the world is going.
So if anybody out there is like shy talking to computers, start to,
that muscle now because it's coming a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I think you're right.
I would agree with you on that 100%.
Now, if you look at the AI landscape, if you, and again, this is a prediction.
We're not going to hold you to it.
Just your opinion, just because you're so versed in it.
What do you think, like what industries or jobs or, and you mentioned the secretary thing,
which I think you're spot on, but what do you see AI, like, is there one industry or anything
in particular you see AI massively changing?
yeah so the biggest one that i see massively changing and again it's not necessarily in industry
it's more of a overall task but just data entry in general i think if your job right now is
predominantly entering data whatever form factor that ends up being or moving data from one place
to another that activity is probably going to be 100% well it will be 100% automated in the next
a little while. So that's what I'm kind of saying. Every job has like multiple components to it.
Like even I have data entry in the things I do, whether it's weekly reporting, whether it's
note taking all this stuff. You have to start really building the muscle of thinking, okay,
when I am not data entering, where is my, like, what is the valuable task that I do once I
enter the data and really start to focus on honing in and mastering that skill? Because that's what
you're going to be spending the majority of your time doing if you're an employee or if you're
somebody who is employing people.
That's what people are just spending their time doing, because AI is just phenomenal at
data entry.
It's really good at also moving data from one place to another.
So that is probably the biggest thing where if you do that and as a sole thing you do,
you definitely got to start thinking, okay, where is the valuable task beyond that?
I'm going to ask you more of an entrepreneur question on this.
So obviously, you guys look at investing or helping companies.
as far as on your portfolio side, right?
So when obviously product is one thing,
but does it go beyond product as well?
Like, is it founder?
Is it fit?
Like how do you guys evaluate and say ultimately,
yes, this is one we'd like to pursue?
Yeah.
So we have this,
we have this phrase or this concept called founder market fit.
Before it used to be product market fit,
and that's still very much a thing.
Like your product needs to solve.
a problem for the customer that you're selling to. But the people who are going to be the most
successful, so if you're an entrepreneur and you want to look to start something or take advantage
of AI, the number one skill you can have is what we call founder market fit. And that is how well
do you actually understand a problem or an industry and know how to fix the problem? So if you
have a hyper-specific skill set, you can find a way to use AI to make that skills, to make that problem
and go away a lot fast.
Like, when we spoke with founders who, I remember we didn't end up doing a deal with
this one company, but they had effectively figured out how to take shipping, like, bills of lading,
use AI to scan them, read all the information for like inventory purchases that they had for
like, we're talking massive industrial sized manufacturing invoices, take all that information,
move it from the paper into their like tracking and inventory system in basically 25 seconds.
and that one thing was saving them seven and a half hours worth of manual back and fourth time
in terms of like doing inventory counts.
Yeah.
And they're charging a metric crap ton for that piece of software and other manufacturing
companies because they knew that problem so well.
And it's such a specific problem that historically made no sense to build a piece of software
for because why would you build the, why would you go and get the money, take the time,
build the thing for such a specific problem?
But right now, the winner.
in this next AI age are going to be the people who know the problems,
understand what the solution needs to be,
and can communicate that effectively to an AI system
in order to get the product actually built out.
So that way it's valuable for everyone in the process.
So the skill, if you're an entrepreneur listening,
you need to be very, very good at problem identification
and understanding the root cause of it.
And that's basically the biggest thing we look for.
It's like we could have an awesome founder that's super technical
super skilled, but if they don't radically understand the market customer and problem they're solving,
it's pretty tough to look to move forward because they might not be the person to solve that
thing right now.
Got it.
I'm fascinated by just high performers and entrepreneurs of how they think.
Yeah.
And, you know, I've been fortunate to have a lot of really cool people in the show.
I'd love to ask you your take on, you know, you said you spoke to what, 3,000.
plus was the number you said earlier
some founders this year. Yeah,
we've evaluated about 3,500
and I think I've been directly with
750 plus more or less.
Yeah. Yeah. So let me ask
you a question in your personal opinion
is for the
founders that you've seen successful, take
product out of it, right?
Have you, I would imagine
that over
the course of you doing this and over the
course of you being an entrepreneur,
you've seen like the same traits in these successful founders.
If you wouldn't mind, I'd love to hear your take on one or two things you've seen
consistently of like, right?
Because what I find is when I get in the room with higher performers and any of the
masterminds or any of the things that we're in, there's so much commonality.
And then I can trace it and say, oh my gosh, like we are so aligned on these one or two
things. I'd love your take on that.
Probably the biggest one, I would say, is just a reckless default action.
So the founders that I get the most excited to talk to are the ones that I'm like,
okay, they saw something and they said, screw it.
I'm just going to go attack it.
And they weren't really waiting for permission is the biggest thing.
So they just, they don't accept that the world is the way it is right now.
And that's the way it's always getting.
be they said screw it let's go attack it get after it that's probably i would say out of everything
there's a bunch of other ancillary points but that is just the biggest one right now is just not
accepting that this is the way it will always be attacking it and basically just saying screw it to all
the barriers in their way i think that's good enough i mean uh and i would agree with you on that
massive action you know pretty much crushes everything else so yeah i i would 100% agree with you on
that um two more questions and then we'll wrap and again i appreciate so much your time what uh
if you could also just kind of share you know maybe one you don't necessarily got a name
the company but what what's something that you're working on right now that you're like
super super excited about i mean yeah absolutely one of the ones that super excited about that we're
working on is it kind of goes back to the voice but it goes back to like voice for customer
facing as well. Like all of these voice agents that are coming out right now, the ability also
for these agents and these tools to have long-term memory is pretty fascinating. So you can have
one interaction. And I've even seen this where there's some companies where say I call one
restaurant, right, and I place an order at one place. If I call another restaurant that happens to be
using the same product, it will actually remember my number. It can remember all the information.
can remember what I've ordered in other places and have that context built out across my life.
So now as an end consumer, this is a pretty cool experience because I don't have to remember
things. The system is remembering for me. And it's pretty crazy. Like, yeah, there's a couple of the
companies that we're working with that are exploring this like context or this memory across
multiple channels. And it's kind of hard to wrap your brain around initially. But when you see it in
action and when you talk with or when you interact with one business and you interact with
another one and it remembers the questions that you asked the other one kind of feels like
we're living 30 years in the future so like that's one of the things right now where
both from a business use case as well as from a consumer use case it just makes the whole
experience 10x better yeah that's pretty wild um so final question uh i always ask everyone at the
end of the show, what does waking up to wealth mean to you? But I'm going to ask you a little bit
different just because you're so far ahead on your knowledge on AI. What I'd love for you to
answer is how do you think AI is going to help people wake up to wealth? Yeah. The best way I can
do, I mean, we have this, we kind of have this saying that everybody kind of in like all of our
organizations lives by, which is try and live in, try and live in the future you want now.
now. And so I really think waking up to what that's what I do every single day is like,
where do I want to be? We've got all our goals, visions, everything else kind of plastered all
over the place in our offices. So it's pretty hard not to envision yourself in that reality.
But I think the way AI is going to do it right now is it's going to help people focus on doing
the things they actually want to do. So if you don't like doing something about your current job
or if there's a portion of your business that you don't like doing,
AI is going to help you wake up one day and that is no longer going to be something you
dislike doing because you're going to be able to put all your focus on the things you actually
enjoy doing. And I think that's a pretty special thing where yeah, you can get caught up in all
like the doom and gloom of everything. But if you go into it with that frame being like,
hey, I can actually focus on what I want to do. That's a pretty special place because now there's no,
you don't have to have that irky feeling waking up being like,
I'll shoot today. I got to go do whatever it is. I got to go do payroll. I got to go do
scheduling. I got to go do team management in this respect or I got to go put together all this
extra documentation or organizing a bunch of things. The thing you want to do is the thing you can do.
And I think that's how AI is going to help everyone wake up to wealth is that you're just
focused on what gives you energy and what makes you feel fulfilled. And that's a pretty special place.
And that's a world that I want to live in. Great answer. So anybody that's
listen um feel free if you you want to share your instagram your handles anything how people can
get in touch with you look look look you up yeah the easiest way to get in touch with me and actually
one thing as well i kind of mentioned it earlier on but if anybody wants some like the prompts that
i use to kind of build my like master prompts for how i can ask AI to get full breakdowns on
kind of how to automate certain tasks feel free to shoot me a message on instagram my handle is
coop underscore doggy dog so we'll be maybe maybe brand if you can put that in the show notes that'd be
awesome but yeah free to give me a follow in if you want me to give you the prompts just dm me the word
prompts and i can uh i've got a little page i can shoot on over to you yeah and uh he's a fellow
dog lover like me so you guys know i've rescued a bunch of dogs he's got a frenchie and i've got
three so if you're listening you want a dog go rescue one yeah 100% hey uh i just want to say dude
thank you. You are a treasure trove of information. And you gave perspective that probably a lot of people on this show have not heard yet, especially in context, AI. This is somebody that's really doing it and has receipts. This isn't someone trying to sell you something as a guru just to get your money on AI. This is somebody that's really doing it and knows it and understands it. Again, buy back your time. If you've not read that, you need to read it and check it out. I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to pour into our listeners today, man.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Brandon.
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