Wake Up to Wealth - Unlocking Real Estate Wealth- Cost Segregation Explained
Episode Date: December 19, 2025In episode 52 of Wake Up to Wealth, Brandon Brittingham interviews Jeff Hiatt, as they explore the ins and outs of cost segregation studies, explaining how property owners can accelerate depreciation ...and maximize their tax deductions.Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of investing and financial strategies that can change your perspective on wealth. SOCIAL MEDIA LINKSBrandon BrittinghamInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mailboxmoneyb/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brandon.brittingham.1/ Jeff HiattInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/depreciationdoctor/?hl=enLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreydhiatt/ WEBSITESBrandon Brittingham: https://www.brandonsbrain.org/home==========================SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS:Accruity: partner.accruity.com/brandon-brittinghamRocketly: https://rocketly.ai/
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I have the privilege to working with him on different transactions and probably one of the most knowledgeable guys that understands this, but can actually explain it to you where you can get it.
So, Jeff, I want to say thank you for coming on the show today.
Happy to be here, Brandon.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
So, you know, one thing, you and I talk about this a lot.
and it still just blows my mind.
Like, what is a cost segregation, right?
And what does it do?
What is the benefit?
Because so many people don't understand this and don't use it.
You're absolutely right.
And so what usually happens with folks is they buy a property.
They typically, because they don't want to be thinking about the pain of tax and all of that.
They just, they're happy.
They close the deal.
And they put off any of.
the details until later and then they slam everything over to their accountant at year end or
you know on March 10th and it goes over to the accountant and then the accountant just slaps on
27 and a half or 39 year depreciation because that's what that's all the time the accountant has
to do they don't think about anything else and they just put it in place so what most people
70% of the people out there end up with is 27 and a half or 30.
39-year depreciation. And it doesn't have to be that way. In other words, when you buy a building
and you pay a million dollars for it, you have to depreciate it over 27 and a half or 39 years.
Well, the IRS will allow you to carve out pieces of the building and move them into a faster life
so that instead of waiting 27 and a half or 39 years to write off the building, they can do it
more quickly. And that's what a cost segregation study does, is identify per the tax code,
the items that can go into five year, seven year, and 15 year. So you get to accelerate that.
And with bonus in play, those accelerated items get to move into what they call bonus. And that
means you get to take it right away. So a lot of people who are listening to this, even highly
educated people that I deal with don't
understand this. So let's give
them a simple example and listen, we know
we're not holding you to this shit. We're not
saying that this is real. This is hypothetical
because we know how accountants think.
I have a CFO
so, you know, she never gives me
off the cuff answer for anything.
Right. But let's just say
simple math. I buy
a $500,000
building residential. Let's say
it's a duplex. So I paid
500 for it. And
I want to do a cost segregation on it, explain to my audience what that looks like
of an actual tax savings.
Right now, I know it's not down to the individual level because everybody's situation
is different, but like just basic help them understand what that means.
Okay.
So if we're going with 500 grand as the value of the building, keep in mind, you've got to
take out land.
Right.
So for simple math, let's say you actually paid for the whole parcel, 600 grand, and you called 100 grand land, land being non-depreciable.
So now we're looking at 500K, and somewhere between call it 15 and 25% of that will be allowed to go into a faster life, depending on the amenities that are present, both outside of the building and inside the building.
So outside of the building is that 15-year cash.
So from when you turn off of the street onto the property, now you're going to have driveways, fences, mailboxes, lighting, maybe there's a basketball court, maybe there's, you know, a deck, a swimming pool, there's shrubs, irrigation systems. All of those items go into 15-year category, maybe drainage, maybe rip-wrap walls, anything outside. Once you're inside, you've got a lot of stuff that could go into a faster life. And that would be a five-year category. So between the
two, you're able to move somewhere between 15 and 25% into a faster life.
What does that mean?
That means somewhere between, well, call it 100 grand of the purchase price can be accelerated
into the faster life.
And granted, you would get to take an immediate deduction of 100 grand from that.
And if you own multiple properties, you can stack this up and do a bunch at once.
So to clarify for all of you guys listening, what do you say?
said is you buy a half a million dollar property you find somebody like jeff that understands what
they're doing you do accelerated depreciation cost sex study which is what jeff is an expert at
and you get a hundred thousand dollars of a tax rate off against your income is that what
we're saying that's exactly what i'm saying so i want to i don't want you guys to miss this this is
a freaking like game changer to help preserve wealth
And I'll give you guys a comparison if you remember not to be political, but if you remember Trump when he was debating Hillary Clinton, and she said, you lost whatever, 900 million on your taxes.
I don't remember what it was, but it was this, this many, this moment went viral.
And he said, yeah, I use the tax code that has been provided.
What he was talking about was what we're talking about was leveraging the cost segregation.
so he didn't necessarily lose 900 million on paper he used the cost segregation to create that loss
which hedged against his taxes which is what wealthy people do yes absolutely that's exactly what
they do and going back to that that debate i interestingly enough was watching that debate back
in i want to say it was 16 and um it was incredible because he just said basically the tax code is
there. If you don't like the tax code and people using it, then change the tax code with if the
rules are there and allow this, why wouldn't people do this? And it's funny because what ends up
happening interestingly later today, I'm headed down to a big CPA convention to hang out with CPAs
and educate them on this topic exactly. Because most clients, most people who buy properties,
about 70% of them don't even know about this, don't use it because they just haven't heard
about it. And so what we do is bring it to CPAs and those CPAs then bring it to their
clients. Yeah, I was going to say that and I'm glad you mentioned this. So one of the things
when I speak on stage or talk about this or I've had you in the room, right, with investors
where we've heard this where, well, my CPA didn't tell me this or my CPA said I shouldn't
do it. And it's one of the two things a lot of times.
nothing against CPAs, but sometimes their CPA is not educated or their CPA doesn't
have an outlet necessarily like you.
But I don't, and you can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know a situation
where you would not do this.
Now, obviously, if the value of the property is lower, maybe it doesn't make sense from
a cost perspective.
But I think you said, you know, 300,000 and up, it definitely makes sense, right?
Yep, 300 grand and up.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you that we will do it under 300 grand.
Now, I'm different because I have a CFO and she understands how to do it.
But, and I'm saying this for context, you guys will listen to this and you'll go talk to your CPA and they'll say, no, no, no, no.
That's where you got to find somebody like Jeff that understands this because I have saved a substantial amount of money on taxes.
Jeff and I are working on a deal together right now that will save both of us a substantial amount on taxes.
This is one of the biggest hacks out there.
Now, one thing I do want to caveat this with, a lot of people who are listening to
this are in real estate.
Again, frame this for me so I don't fuck this up.
But to get it against your active income, right, you have to be considered a real estate
professional.
Am I right on that?
That is correct.
Yeah.
And so keep going.
Well, explain to you're on the right track so far.
I don't want to mess this up.
So explain to people what the actual rule is.
So the way that it goes is if you're just a real estate investor, okay, so you just own apartment buildings or rent single family wrestles and you own 10 of them. And you're a dentist and an attorney, whatever you do for your day job. You're a sports player, you know, professional sports. Well, technically then, you are not a real estate professional and because you're doing something for so much more of your time and more income theoretically. So the loss is created by a cost saying,
would only offset income from those rental properties.
Okay.
So that's called passive income from the rental properties, and we're creating a passive loss.
Right.
So that's if you're just a real estate investor versus somebody who's gotten themselves
designated as a real estate professional.
And if they're a real estate professional, they spend 750 hours a year doing real estate
related stuff, which is negotiating, looking for deals, putting deals, you know, making
stuff happen, managing the property for 750 hours or more, and 50% of their time is spent
doing that, then they're going to be very close to being a real estate professional.
And if they're a real estate professional, not only would the losses go to offset income
from the apartments, any excess loss would spill over and wipe out their income tax.
on their day job income.
Okay?
Now, I'm going to say real estate professional light,
so this is like, it's kind of like it,
but not exactly, is what I would call short-term rentals.
Yeah, folks in the short-term rental space,
they get to basically, if they're actively involved in their short-term rental,
then what they get to do is just what I said,
their losses would
wipe out income from the short-term rental
but because they're actively involved,
it would then spill over
and wipe out their day job income tax as well.
So that can be a real nice tool.
Now, a lot of people on the internet call it
the short-term rental loophole.
Well, that's not a little.
I mean, any deduction is a loophole.
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It's really not.
I call it the short-term rental advantage.
Because loophole sounds like, oh, you're getting away with something,
or oh, you're going to get on it.
Oh, there's risk with that.
There's not.
It's part of the tax code.
but many accountants don't know about it.
Yeah, good point.
So those of you that are listening, if you're a real estate agent, I'd like scream this shit.
Like, you should not be paying taxes.
If you are a high income earner, you can offset it with investing in real estate.
You're going to.
So who would you rather pay the money to?
Would you rather invest in an asset that appreciates overtime and it's going to cash flow or give it to the IRS?
and the IRS has given you a chance to avoid paying taxes and investing in an asset that
you know, which is real estate. It frustrates the hell out of me when I speak on stage or people
reach out to me to coach them and they're like, man, I paid $200,000, $200,000 in taxes last
year and I'm like, you don't need to, right? Because of this. And another thing that's happened
recently, right, the big beautiful bill, there was, we kind of skipped over this, but I, I
want to lean into it is there's now more incentive than ever to use cost
sags right because the ratios change talk about that so from so we've been doing
cost segregation studies since 1996 I joined the firm in 99 from 96 when we started
to 2017 we did about 15,000 studies in that span of call it 20 years so you know we did a lot
of studies and bonus depreciation never, ever applied to existing buildings. Bonus came in in
01 after 9-11 as an incentive for new construction because the economy had tanked. And there was
no construction going on. And they said, Congress said, hey, let's throw some gas on the fire. Let's give
bonus depreciation for new construction. So bonus came into play for new construction. And it went from 30% to
50%, then 100%, and it kind of bounced around a little bit for a while, okay?
But then in 2017, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act came into play, and it said, hey, wait a minute,
that bonus thing that was only good for new construction projects is now going to be eligible
for existing buildings.
So if Brandon goes out and buys an existing building, anything that goes into five-year,
seven-year, or 15-year depreciation is now eligible.
eligible for bonus, just like it would have been for new construction, but it's for existing
buildings. And when they put that law in place in 2017, it was such a big impact. They had to build
a, what they call a sunset provision into it. And that's where it started to step down. So what they
said was for five years from 2017 through end of 22, you would get 100% bonus. Because your
logical brain is going, wait a minute, he was talking about five-year, seven-year and
15-year write-offs. What's he talking about taking it immediately? Well, bonus allows you
to take all of the five-year, all of the seven-year, and all of the 15-year in the year of
acquisition. So now you get to take it all at once. But then after 22, it started to go down.
So in 23, if you bought a property, it was 80% bonus, 20%. And then it,
if you bought in 24, it was 60% bonus, 40% 5, 715.
Yep.
Along comes 25, and you were down to 40% bonus.
But then in July, they passed a retroactive one big beautiful bill, or OB3, as they call it now.
So OB3 came into play and said, wait a minute, 100% bonus is back for any property, put in service,
after 1.20 of 25, so after January 20th, which, interestingly enough, was the inauguration
day, back to there. So, you know, I would have thought, hey, let's do it for the whole year,
but there was a point being made there, I think. So it was 100% bonus on any project property
put in place after 120 of 25. And it's permanent now. It's called permanent. And you say,
okay, because I had somebody on a call earlier today.
So, well, how long is this going to be in place?
And I said, well, it's permanent.
And I said, but understand anything in the tax code that says it's permanent.
Yeah.
Is until the next administration comes along.
And they say, oh, we're changing it back.
Yeah, 100%.
So thank you for that explanation.
And so the point being right now, we know we got some runway where you guys,
that if you're listening to this, you can leverage it.
and you would be, it would be, I'm just going to say it, it would be stupid not to because of the
amount of money it can potentially save you. And again, shield you from tax liability and put
the money into an asset, right? So also in the Big Beautiful Bill, there are some other things
that people that are listening to this might not understand. What else could you share that you
think is some things that would benefit people? Well, some folks are going to know, you know,
know, the real estate folks out there, if they're, you know, dealing in commercial stuff,
one of the other really cool things. And if you think about what I need to back up from that
just for a second, what the tax code always is, is either a carrot or a stick. If you think
about they're trying to either incentivize or disincentivize certain behaviors, okay? So they put
a tax on cigarettes. They put a tax on booms. In some state,
put a tax on fast food or other things, you know, they're trying to steer you away from that.
Then there's the carrot. So the carrot is incentivized. So what they're trying to do now with the 1 OB3
is bring back production into the U.S. and give manufacturing companies an incentive to do
production in the U.S. So now there's one new whole category called
qualified production property, QPP. And what QPP is, is if you're manufacturing something
in the U.S. and you're doing, let's say, new construction or new spending for this manufacturing
process, 100% of everything you spend for that production facility is now bonus eligible,
100% of it. So where we were talking about before on that apartment, on that single family
a rental, and we were talking somewhere between 15 and 25%, bam, now it's 100% is eligible for
QPP.
Now, is that going to apply to a lot of your folks listening today?
Maybe not, but it's a neat way to understand what the tax code is doing there to incentivize.
Another thing I want to talk about, and I learned this from you, right?
you touch on this like mobile home parks and RV parks for those listeners out there that approach
the they go after those have way more depreciation attached to them at least the ones I've looked
at with you as far as a percentage of purchase price I'm doing back in the napkin math but
we are in the process of buying a $1.3 million mobile home park right now and I think the cost
Seg was somewhere around 470,000 would be the write-down, which is freaking substantial.
It definitely can be. And it depends, of course, on what's in the park, the RV park.
You know, if it's basically just dirt and you drive across a dirt area and you park for an RV,
yeah, then it's not going to be as exciting. But if it's got, let's say, pavement, not only do you have
the pavement, but you've got the compacted soil.
Then you've got trees that are part of a landscape plan.
Then you've got maybe you've got canopies above so that people aren't just baking in the sun
in, you know, Bakersfield, California or where the heck the RV Park is.
You're going to have some sort of septic system probably at this place.
You're going to have electrical outlets and wiring going to each unit.
You're going to have water somehow, some way delivered.
Interestingly enough, it's not just the.
underground water, the underground electric, it's the conduit and wiring in the compact soil
around.
Which is this is shit I never knew, right? Like, I didn't know this even existed.
Yeah. So when you hang out with a tax dork like me, hey, you learn stuff that is so obscure
that gives a lot of people ice cream headache, but. But saves you a bunch of money.
Yeah.
Saves you a bunch of money. Another, two other things I want you to touch on that I didn't know,
like the touch on like the you know like the under roof mini storage like if someone's
listened to this and they're they buy mini storage the under roof mini storage gives you
some better opportunity too right so you know basically um again imagine like a drive up type
self storage that's going to have probably a little bit less because so much more of it
is going to be structural once you're inside of the building and it's like a
climate control building then you've got a lot more stuff that's all part of the process of
management of everybody's units yeah so you're going to have all kinds of security in there you're
going to have the roll-up doors and things like that you're going to have um any kind of air
conditioning that's going on all all can be can be depreciated it'll all be depreciated yeah some of it's
going to be eligible for faster depending on what all is going on
on there. So it all just, it depends on each situation. And like you said, with your CFO not wanting to
be too committal on a venue like this, you got to, I got to back it down a little bit. But yes,
but it's all really good reallocations are available. Another thing I learned from you was I don't
want to butcher this. So I'm going to let you say it. But we actually did this on from your advice was
the, if you've got a property that you're going to, you know you're going to tear it
you place it in service and then like talk about that so so there the problem is when somebody
buys a building and they immediately bulldoze it yep whatever they the land building allocation might
have been so that going back to our 600,000 dollar purchase 100 grand for land 500 grand for the
building if the next day after you buy it you bring in the bulldozer bam that whole
600 grand becomes land, it's non-depreciable because you effectively bought that building
for the land.
And you didn't need the building, didn't want it.
You just got rid of it.
Okay.
Well, that's, it is what it is.
There is a provision that some people use.
And the way that works is you would buy that building.
You would do the land building allocation, 100 grand for the land, 500 grand for the building.
Now, you can do the COSSEG and extract the accelerated data out of that, the 100 grand, let's say.
We pull out 100 grand now, bam, you're depreciating 400 grand over 27 and a half years.
I know I'm throwing out a lot of numbers here, and that can be painful.
Sorry.
But what would happen is if you haven't made this election that I'm going to say in a minute,
if you haven't made that election, the 400 grand when you bulldoze would go.
away as well. That's kind of not a great outcome. So you can make a designation. It has to be done the
first year you acquire the property and put it in service. It's called a GAA election. And your accountant
would do that on their tax form. And in doing that, what that's going to do is allow you then
to continue to depreciate that 400 grand, even though the building was bulldozed. And so what that means is,
you need to put it in service first, so you have to start renting it out or let the old tenant
stay in there while maybe you're trying to decide what the highest and best use. That could take
a year, two, three, whatever, yeah. Whatever it might be, but you're going to let that situation
settle out. And then maybe if you decide to bulldoze it, the GAA election worked out very well
for you and life is good and you get to keep depreciating that building, even though the building
is gone and you've now built something else in its place.
Yeah.
So one thing I'll, for all my listeners, I know some of this can sound complicated and complex.
Here's the summary of this.
A lot of people don't use this.
A lot of people are not knowledgeable about this, right?
And a lot of CPAs aren't.
And that's why I brought Jeff on here because he is and he can do this for you.
The other thing, correct me if I'm wrong.
wrong. If someone is listening to this and they're like, man, I've got properties and I know I
didn't call SAG, can they go back and do it? Thank you for asking. As you started down this path,
I was like, oh, I want to bring that up. Yeah. So yes, you can step back in time technically to
1986 when the tax law changed, but typically you won't go back that far. Typically, the window of
opportunity for this to really make sense is you've bought, built, or improved a building for
300 grand or more in the last 10 to 15 years. So if you've bought anything in the last 10 to 15 years
or built it or renovated it, so you may not own the building, but you spent a bunch of money
fixing it up. So you can step back in time without amending your tax return and grab that
depreciation in the current year, even if your accountant says, oh, you're going to have to amend and you
can only amend three years, that's incorrect. For cost segregation, there's a thing called a
change in accounting method you can use. And that's what we do is help you and your accountant get
that form filed correctly because if it's filed incorrectly and there are errors on it,
it will trigger an audit. Good, no, and good to know. So if you're listening to this,
by the way, this show's free and you haven't done it. We just made you some money if you do what
he said. I was funny. Yesterday, I was speaking, and your coaching really helped me there. So thank you
for that, Brandon. I'll give you a little plug there. Of course. I had about 40 real estate agents
north of Boston in a room, and they were all listening. And probably 25 of them owned their own
investment properties and three of them knew about cost seg only one had used cost seg that's crazy bro
it is isn't it's crazy and and one guy was saying it's all but it's it's it's all the time like that doesn't
surprise me at all you're you're right and one of the guys said he owns nine properties one of which
he was selling and his accountant told him he was just going to have to pay the tax on the gain and so 1031 comes
up as a possibility. But he didn't like the idea of having to rush to get the 1031 done.
And, you know, there's moving parts with that. But what I said to him was, well, for your other eight
buildings, why don't we do a cost seg? See what we can. Probably wipes the gain. Yeah. And it wipes out
the gain for you. And you don't have to do a 1031. And he was like, you can do that. And I said,
yeah. And he goes, my accountant said, I couldn't do anything. I was just going to have to pay the tax.
I said, maybe it's time for a new account. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. So. Yeah.
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So, wrapping up, here's the key to all this.
You need an expert. Jeff is an expert.
So a lot of CPAs, which is sad and scary to think about, don't know or understand this.
This is what Jeff does.
So for those of the people that are listening to this, and they're like, man, I need to
figure this out. I've got, like, I need help with this. How do they get, how do they get with you?
So you can DM me on Instagram or Facebook. I'm depreciation doctor on Instagram and I think it's
Jeff Hyatt one at Facebook. I don't know exactly. Yeah. But it's close enough. And then also,
my email address is J.D.H at Revenue Banking or JDAH at Cost Seg Studies. So I've got two things
there. And then we'll drop a link to in the show notes to get in touch with you too.
There we go. That's easier. So just drop the link and follow me on Instagram or Facebook.
That would be great. Yeah. But depreciation doctor, he gave you his email and we'll drop the link in
the show notes. Perfect. Okay. So last question. We ask everybody.
the same question on the way out. We call this show waking up to wealth because I was not born
with money, wasn't educated on money and was taught wrong about money. And when I started to make
money and get around wealthy people, I realized that people that were wealthy thought about and
moved differently and were educated differently about money. So we call this show wake up to wealth.
And the key to it is bringing people on like you that can teach people how to be wealthy with
information that they would not necessarily be able to get to, but I'm not charging them
to get this information because I want them to wake up to wealth and wake up to become
wealthy. So ask every guest at the end of the show, what does waking up to wealth mean to
you? And it's whatever you want it to be. It's your version. So that's a great question. And I've
heard you ask that question to other guests before. And so for me, yeah, the money thing is,
part of the wealth conversation and the metric there to kind of keep score. But somebody
that's really wealthy has done stuff to help other people. In my mind, it's not just the money.
It's what have you been able to do to contribute back to either society or other folks that
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helping veterans. So I end up helping raise a lot of money for veterans. So I end up helping raise a lot of money
for veterans through some charities around here that support veterans in trying to wipe out
veteran suicide. One of them is called Swim with a Mission or swam.org. And we've raised about
$15 million since 2017 for veterans. So for me, giving back to other folks that, you know, have protected
the way you and I, Brandon, do our business. Without them, we couldn't be in business. We would be
You know, not safe.
And so my goal is to help them.
Other folks might want to help dogs or whales or...
I definitely want to help dogs because they got 10 of them.
I know.
I know.
So that's why I mentioned that.
So, you know, just give back.
And that's the way it will pay back to you, the whole karma thing.
Well, I want to say thank you.
Always a wealth and breadth of knowledge.
guys and gals that are listening to this stop fucking giving the government all your money
and reach out to someone like Jeff that can help you not give them all of your money
who's an expert who knows this stuff and stop listening to dipsets that tell you you can't do
this because you definitely can I want to say thank you so much for your time today brother
and the audience reach out to him he's a guy that I trust he'll take care of you
thank you so much for your time today hey thank you brand you have a great day too and
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