Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Chloe Petts (Part Two)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

We’re back in Victoria Park on a freezing cold day with the wonderful Chloe Petts! In this part of our conversation, Chloe tells us about what comes after having a brilliant debut in Edinburgh, her reaction to being trolled and she also reveals some tales from being tour with Ed Gamble and Frank Skinner…Chloe brings her brand-new show, How You See Me, How You Don’t, nationwide as part of her third UK tour, kicking off with a two-week run at London’s Soho Theatre, Downstairs from Monday 13th – Saturday 25th January at 7.15pm and running till Sunday 9th March at Brighton Komedia. Full dates and tickets at chloepetts.orgFollow @chloepetts on InstagramFollow Emily: Instagram - @emilyrebeccadeanX - @divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Faye LawrenceMusic: Rich Jarman Artwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Part 2 of Walking the Dog with Chloe Pets. Do go back and listen to Part 1 if you haven't already and do go and see Chloe live in her new show, How You See Me, How You Don't. She's on at the Soho Theatre from January the 13th to January the 25th and after that, it's touring all around the country in Feb and March. You can book your tickets at Chloepets.org. I'd also love it if you gave us a like and a follow,

so you can catch us every week. Here's Chloe and Ray Ray. How do you feel about praise, Chloe? How do you handle it? Do you like it or do you feel awkward? No, I like I like it. I really like it. I'm very words of affirmation. Like, I really enjoy when people verbally indicate me that they like me or that I've done something good because it just takes all doubt away from me. I'm just like, okay, cool, we're all good.

Yeah. I think I do have this like fear of being perceived as arrogant. in some way. Which comes from when I was a teenager and I was at this all-girls school and I was sort of on stage all the time and I probably was a bit arrogant because I was a kid and like

I just sort of wanted to be an actor I wanted to be on stage all the time and kind of rated myself in a way that I probably wouldn't now. In a way that's considered perfectly normal if a man does. Kind of. So I guess like people were trying to dull my shine

and I've taken that through to adulthood of where I think I love getting a compliment, I love praise, but I worry that my response to it is, like I worry about my response to it making me look arrogant or like a, you know, like I'm up myself or something. Yeah, I understand that. What about you? Do you like getting praise? Yeah. Well, I think you made a very good point just then when you said, well, everyone likes it. But I suppose it's how do you feel about being seen to be receiving praise? is probably a better claim.

And you're right. I think everyone likes it, but I feel... I really love it, actually. But you know what? Someone gave me a piece of advice once, which is whenever someone says, even if it's on social media or something, you know, I like that thing you did

or that thing you wrote or whatever, it's actually an act of generosity to receive it well. Because if you say to someone, oh no, don't be silly, which, by the way, I don't think you do. I think you do. I think you take praise very...

very well actually and very nicely but I think when someone when you say even if it's a physical compliment you're kind of rejecting that person yeah because you're saying no you're wrong yeah I think maybe just going like I tend to just go oh thank you that's very kind yeah because yeah then you've like you you've you've taken it but you haven't you haven't gone yes I agree with you or no I don't disagree with you you've just you've just taken it you've just gone I know right Yeah, I am actually really good at stand-up comedy. Thank you so much for being the first one to say it. I went through a phase of that.

I played with that for a bit when I would say, someone would say, oh my God, I love your jumper. And I get, that's amazing. You're all right, your hair looks incredible. I know. That's a laugh. I think that's a laugh. But some people got it.

You would have got it, but some people went, oh. Oh, I'll take it back now. Let's go and sit in there's a little hut here Chloe which I think will be ideal for our purposes. Yeah, I would love to sit in that little nippy, isn't it? Yeah, it's not nice. I put my heat tech layers on this morning, so I'm feeling good. Are you quite prepared? Are you quite practical and organised?

Not really, actually, but I'm trying to get more so. So I'm just, I've got more of my basics in this winter. But then I'm seeing Tony as quite Tony Peck. Tony Petz. I'm seeing Tony Petz as quite, if he went on a family holiday, he'd have one of those cross-body man bags with all the family passports. Am I right? Yeah, it's not that, but he's very much that energy.

Like that's the perfect metaphor for it. Like we have a family joke where he'll be like, well, everyone calibrate their watches. Everyone, everyone by the door, 901, not 859, not 902, 901 by the door. So yeah, he's very neurotic, I would argue. After you had this debut, which was so successful and you got such glowing reviews and I wonder, is there a pressure that comes with that? Was there a part of you that was thinking, well, this is good? Does your mind go to that place of thinking, oh my God, how am I going to follow this?

It was less that for me of like, how am I going to follow this? More just like just generally shitting myself about the next Edinburgh. because what happens when you have like a good debut is your work doubles so your time kind of halves. So it was the second show that I needed to write and before that I'd had you know all the sort of seven years of stand-up comedy that I'd done prior that to put this hour together and you know make sure it's all my best material. You then have you then have one year to do your next show and because the last one's gone good you've got all of this other work to contend with. So I had such a short amount of time to write the second show that I'm proud of myself because I think I wrote the show that I was able to in the time that I had in the circumstances that I had. I didn't write the show I wanted to write.

And I think it got good reviews the second show, but the reviews that are a bit more, you know, scathing or balanced that I didn't disagree with. But I didn't beat myself up because I was like, it's got some really good bits of stand-up in it. I don't think it's a perfect show. So just get on with it. And then this third one, now I've had the experience of the second one. I think it's the best show I've written and I'm just loving doing it. And this is the show. We should say you've got a show starting at the Soho Theatre next week.

It's 13 for Jan on. Two weeks there. Yeah. Will you cut? Of course I'm coming. Great. Can we have a drink after? Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. Is he allowed in this Soho Theater? You could say that he's a support. but that's probably disrespectful to people that actually need support. He is sort of the supporter. You know, I thought of lying and saying he's a... I have done it sometimes, like in shops and things. I'm sorry, he's a support animal.

Kind of is. Yeah, because he's so cute. And this show is next week. Next week, yeah. How you see me, how you don't. That's what it's cool. And I've heard a bit about this show. I love the sound of this show.

We've got Hot Chucky's in kind. Thank you. We've got Fame, my wonderful producer. That's so kind. That's so kind. Thank you, Faye. Oh, yeah. Hot-Tocky.

I love watching. Cheers. It's all giving Southpock, because you've got the mittens, you've got the anach. I wouldn't really be in my anirac if it wasn't for the horrible weather. I had a really cool outfit that I put on this morning, and then I had to take my jacket off and put my anorack on over the clock.

I love that, I know. That's no anorac. That's more like what a Premier League footballer would wear on a Sunday. It's high-end. smother that. Thanks for, thanks for notes and I did spend quite a bit money on this go. Thanks for... Oh I know. I can tell. Yeah. I hope you don't mind I'm going to go my team but it's very much what Mikhail Arteza would wear on the heat on a Sunday. This is giving Michael Artetta to this outfit yeah and the trousers that I'm wearing and the

shoes that I'm wearing a very pep cardioa don't you think? Oh yes they are. We should say in case we haven't made it clear it's so freezing outside. We had a lovely walk when it's that sort of temperature level where you can do about 40 minutes yeah and then you start feeling yeah we needed to sit down so we've come into this is a covered area in victoria park and we've got i would say two of the most well-behaved children in london sitting near us yeah definitely they're good little kids yeah um so all is good but that's where you can hear effects in the background, special effects. So yeah, so this show,

tell me a little bit about this show. What can Raymond and I expect when I sneak him in next week? So, well, listen, we have to caveat this by saying when you describe a stand-up comedy show, it all sounds very serious. So this is a caveat that all of this is funny. So last year, from about October to November,

I did a show on Sky Sports News. And it was great and I loved it and we like, me and the producer sort of did, you know, we were kind of experimenting with a format and like just messing around really. And we thought we could develop something really good. But then obviously funding gets cut massively blah blah blah. But during that time, I got a bunch of trolls on the internet and it was always, they would always sort of focus on my appearance in opposition to the conventional appearance of the women, the sort of glamorous women that would appear on.

So the body con, raw blue dress. Yeah, they looked absolutely great. And they would get trolled too because of their appearance. Like, you know, however you sort of express yourself. Of course. On the television, you're going to get trolled because people are awful. Yeah. But basically, this show is my sort of feelings towards the trolls that I've got

and how I responded to it. And, but it's funny. Brackets, but it's funny. But when these painful things happen, have you got to, to that stage where you think, oh good, material. I think I've got to the stage where like, I get to that stage quicker. So like, if I now see something nasty online,

there's usually like about a second between seeing it and then finding it funny. Like going, oh, I don't like that and then finding it funny. So I think like that's what you practice. Like it's not always, like you're not always impervious to it, but I get quicker to the finding, finding it funny. And actually I think the biggest thing for me was feeling able to tell my parents because I had this weird worry, A, that they would see it and feel upset,

B, they would see it and think the same of me. I don't know why my brain did that. But as soon as I spoke to my parents about it, they were amazing. They were just like, oh yeah, like, you know, people say awful things. And like, don't worry about us. Like, you've gone into an industry where we understand that happens. and we're really proud of you that you're going on Sky Sports News and being different every week because, you know, that's really brave

and, like, that's going to make positive change to people and hopefully, you know, support a little girl that was like you growing up watching football that only had Andy Graham, Richard Keyes, as your role model. Like, it's going to be, you know, you're doing something, and it's brave and we're proud of me for that. And that was, like, a big turning point in just going, like, okay, I don't need to be scared of this stuff. Like as long as it's not, you know, someone isn't coming around Victoria Park screaming in my ear,

all the stuff that they say online. Then I'm safe. So, yeah. If they are, I know we're going to call Tony Peetz. We're going to call Tony Pecks or Raymond. But Tony Petz is actually quite calm in the crisis, I imagine, isn't it? Yeah, he's a cool customer. So an example I will give you is I took him to the football, Chris Palace fans, who was.

We went to pub beforehand. I wanted to introduce him to the boys that I go to the football with. And he had this amazing calming effect because the guys that I go to the football with, they're like between the ages of 30 and 60. But there is like a sort of like loudness where everyone feels the need to like kind of shout to be heard.

It's not a bad thing, but my dad came into this space and just because he's like really gently spoken, he's just really softly spoken. Everyone just leaned in and then started speaking and softer and everyone just calmed down and I think it helps that my dad is like six foot four and like massive so that allows men also to be more calm and peaceful if they're big because no one's like you know getting rowdy at them but we're in this bar and that happened and then I bought my dad a pint let's face it he bought me a pint probably he put it down on the

table it's not letting you buy the drinks that's the whole point of Tony Pett that's his raising on DETRA. So this guy comes past and he's part of like, there's like this football infirming because I think it was like there was some kind of protests or like EDL kind of vibe that weekend

and they've got their flag up which was like you know EDL sort of vibes and they were like just being a bit sort of like little and scrappy and rowdy and horrible and the little guy walks past and he knocks my dad's drink over and it's unclear whether it's deliberate or an accident But regardless, he just looks here and walks off.

Doesn't say anything to my dad. Doesn't apologize, doesn't offer him another drink. And I obviously see this happening and I'm like, you don't do that to my dad. So I go over to this guy and I'm like, you just drop not my dad's drink over and all of his mates turn around and he sort of starts squaring up to me, what are you going to do about it?

And my dad just cuts across me massive. This guy's a little scrapper and goes to the guy, I understand that it was an accident. And the guy goes to like start on my dad and my dad just goes, I understand it was an accident. accident and then we turn round and it was just totally diffused and I really admired that level of calm and willing to sort of rise above stuff in my dad that I have never been able to exhibit I got I can't I'm not good at rising

above if I see a perceived injustice I'm like yeah what I'm too far yeah I suppose I wonder if in your with your dad as well he's constantly having to make decisions in the moment while simultaneously fast forwarding to the potential consequences of his actions. Yeah, yeah. And so, but that's a, that is very telling. Yeah, he's just a nice, and how interesting that it resonated with you, you know? Yeah, yeah, and it, it makes me, like, you just got to reprioritise, right? like I'd rather have a beer on the floor than get punched in the face.

You know, it's not, yeah, just piss me off. I understand. Yeah. Are you done with your hot turkey? Oh, sorry. You might. You want to finish it? I didn't even realize it was there.

Oh, it's a lovely. Where's it been? Over here. I've got a tiny bit left. Come on. Let's, um, I love that little warm outdoor cafe bit. Yeah, I like the nook. I like the nook, but I think we should do a brisk circuit of the park.

And then one more round the pond. War myself up. Yeah, wore myself up. I like the bit of the hot chalky at the end where all of it goes into the bottom and you just get this one bit of really hot chocolate. Oh, yeah. I love that as well. We like even like the same things.

This friendship is going to. We dream the same dreams, Chloe. When you're talking about, obviously, your show, which we're now going to come and see it. And I really love the sound of, I like people turning some form of emotional pain into art. Yeah. And as you say, crucially it's funny as well. Yeah.

Well, that's the thing. Like, I don't, I don't, like, I'm not trying to sort of, like, educate people, really. But if there's a bit of stealth education, then the only way you do it is not by preaching, is by making people go ha ha ha ha ha and then you know four or five days later if they think about writing something horrible online or um you know say like say something judgmental about a person who doesn't like express their gender the same as you or the same as everyone else then you know

that that's done its job right yeah but it's stealthy because you don't you don't feel like you've been lectured and what comedians when you were growing up what comedians did you, were you drawn to? Were you sort of, I think you like, did you like French and Saunders? I think Chloe read. Yeah, I loved French and Saunders, but I particularly loved Dawn French. I met her the other day. It was the coolest thing ever. What was she like? So nice. She's the nicest person ever. It was just really cool as well because I went to introduce myself and she went, you're Chloe, I love your stuff. And I almost pissed myself. but you have to behave cool because it's dawned French right but I almost

kicked screamed and cheered but I was oh thank you oh thanks actually no I went I went yeah you're right I am great but yeah I love that I love the Vicar of Dibley

I just really love the comedy of like a sane person being surrounded by insane people yeah that's what really makes me laugh and people being like noble and kind within that I find it aspirational

because that's how I want to be all the time you know I want to be like my dad when his pint gets knocked over just like a nice person I want to be like dawn French like you know when some of the villages being absolutely bat shit just you know rolling your eyes and loving them rather than getting annoyed I just get annoyed

yeah because it's a real choice I think you have to make where you're constantly making choice when you're comic, aren't you? Because it's, you're often faced with two paths, which is I could go down this road and it might be one of the funniest things I've ever said, but that might hurt someone.

Yeah. And that might be cruel. Yeah. So maybe I'm going to go down this path and just work a little harder to make that funny rather than going for the easy, mean thing. Is that something you find your, weighing up in your head.

Like, no, I'm not going to say that that feels me. Yeah, for sure, 100%. But I think when you are then, like, a comedian that tries to focus on, like, being kind and inclusive, it then allows you, when you do say something like catty or bitch, you're really mean.

People find it really funny. And, like, that's my favourite thing when I'm doing crowd work. I'm trying to think of an example, but I don't think I can. Yeah. But I love saying the thing that is like, it's the elephant in the room, but you shouldn't say it.

Right. Because people then just lose their minds if like the nice person just goes like, your hat looks a bit shit. Do you know what I mean? It's like when Tony Petz blows his top because it doesn't happen that often and he keeps his calm, you know you're serious.

Yeah, it'd be impactful. I don't think I've really seen him blow his top, you know. But no, I get that with comedy. I think it's more powerful, isn't it? Yeah. You seem a very confident person, Chloe. In a good way? Yeah.

Oh, that's good. What do I mean? I don't mean, yeah, check me out. I mean, you're not walking around like Liam Gallagher. I've got it in my locker. What I would say, I don't know if I might take back the word confident because that has connotations I'm not altogether comfortable with. I would say you seem self-possessed.

That's nice. Yeah, I don't know. But it takes a lot of work. who you are. Yeah, for sure. But then there'll be other moments where like, you know, I'll do something where I'll be like, oh, I didn't like that and maybe be a bit negative about myself. But like, it's just sort of like trying to, yeah, I just try and be kind and compassionate to yourself and everyone around you. I also think you're finding me at a time where I've basically come off like a month of rest. So I feel like really chill and anxiety free.

Well, we got you at a good time. Yeah, in a month if I was like in the midst of tour, then I might be a bit more sort of unself-possessed. Oh, I'm glad we got you now. Yeah, you got me a good time. Yeah. And one of the things you did, you've done a lot of is you've supported some people who've gone on to become really good friends, haven't you?

So Ed Gamble, I know you went on tour with him, didn't you? Yeah. And he's, I get the sense you have a great relationship with him. Yeah, he's one of our best mates. He's just a good bloke. We just, yeah, it's like me, him and Paul the tour manager, we spend hours and hours on end with each other in the car, in the dressing rooms, in hotels. And like, that's when your friendship, like, really devolves into like a sort of familial relationship. Because by necessity, because you spend so much time together, you have to show your true self. And, you have to show your true self. And. My true self, it turns out, is like totally feral and just like unfiltered. And the stuff that just the stuff that comes out of my mouth is just drivel. But fortunately, Paul and Ed find it really funny. And I think that's what's like lovely about that relationship with those two boys is like,

we all just love each other for who we are and probably love each other, love the flaws about each other the most. So that's why it's just such like affirming friendship. But it's also really cool to have like, you know, Ed's obviously at the top of his game and is like, you know, a famous star. And it's just really cool having a role model to like see how you handle fame and how you handle big audiences and how you handle feeling viewed. So, yeah, he's just taught me so much because he just always behaves with like such grace. yeah he's a really nice boy isn't he he liked Raymond has he been on

he's been on he's been on the podcast he loved Raymond I bet he did it was a very hot day though and he was so sweet he was very concerned for Ray because Ray overheating so he said oh we found a nice

we called it a picnic area but it was a lot of discarded syringes and old birros and lighters well he is diabetic so you know you can't blame him for that His entourage had laid them out for us.

And also, another comic, high profile comic, that you've worked with, and I know get on brilliantly with, is the fabulous Frank Skinner. Captain Frank. Yeah, oh, I like Captain Frank. The thing about Frank is, he's a legend, and he's sin it all. And I just got to sit in the tour car with him for a week, just going, tell me all the stories. And he obliged. And that was like, the coolest thing, just learning.

off this absolute stalwart of the British comedy scene. Mr Three Lions. It was just the coolest thing ever. Me and Frank get on well. I was worried that I'd sort of done a bit of a what I've done to Raymond. Which is what? Just sort of coming a bit alpha, a bit dominant.

Because I worried Frank was a bit intimidated by me because the second day I got into the car, I get into the car and he goes, I had a dream about you And I went, what? He goes, I had a dream about you. You shagged my missus. You were joking?

I'm not joking. Oh, for God's sake, Frank. He just, honestly, what is wrong with him? Put that on the podcast, he won't care. I'm so sorry, Chloe. I just feel that is so inappropriate. I died laughing. I'm dying for him.

I mean, that is so inappropriate. Do you think so? Well, he just doesn't I mean, I love him, but you don't say that. Okay, take that out of the podcast. No, oh no, this is saying it. I want it, Frank, if you're listening, please, don't say things like this to people.

The thing is, though, like, if he just said it to some, like, random, random lady that he met once, fine. But he said it to me, we're mates, like, there's quite, he knew I would find it the funniest thing he's ever heard. Oh, God. I just, I just, I just, I mean it's like I don't want to be in your dreams Frank yeah but you got oh look at that

little dog that's so cute is that what you might yeah that's what you might yeah that's Chloe and I have just spotted a beautiful it looks like sort of like piebald yeah that's one of the most beautiful Chihuahuahuas I've ever seen in my life oh what do you think it's cool it run you're gonna you distract her I'll get it oh it's like a cartoon character about to run off a cliff it's got those vibes do you know what I mean it's really beautiful I don't think that one's skulls too big for its brain Oh look, the owner looks very high end, doesn't she? She's got the gym gear, she's got the high ponies.

She should be in Notting Hill, really. I don't know, she's wandered off. She shouldn't be with us for a refra. No, not with the likes of us. No, not us. You know, anyway. Hanging out with people who come up to us and say, I had a dream about you, and I dreamt you were getting off with my missus.

Don't you think that's so funny, though? It's very frank. I was worried about, I was worried. Because what happened was when I first got in the tour car with, with Ed and Paul the first ever time. And Paul is Ed Gamble's tour manager. It was like early on we didn't really know each other that well. I got an egg sandwich out.

And it was interpreted that I got the smelliest thing out of the class that I could assert dominance. But it wasn't, I didn't mean to. But then on a quiet level I was like, maybe that is what I was doing. Do you think you do do that? No, I don't think so at all. But then...

You haven't done it with me? well I'm not doing it on purpose but I then the first day that I got in the car with Frank and old Jay Dodkin who was Frank's tour manager at the time good old Johnny I ate about four satsumas on the trot stank out the car and I was like I haven't done that on purpose

but I have sort of I have sort of metaphorically cocked my leg and pissed up the car door So then the next day I'm thinking, oh God, I hope I haven't intimidated him. What do I do? Get in? I've been having it off with his missus. Back off, pets.

Do you have more male friends? I'm talking traditional genders here, obviously. I'm talking, but do you have more male friends or female friends? More female friends, yeah. Do you? Yeah. But I do have a lot of male friends. But if you came to my birthday party, which you will next year. Oh yeah. Can we make it be dog friendly? I'll make you a little party bag.

It's just a sea of beautiful women and three men. Playboy in action. Three disgusting ugly men. Did you have that experience of, you know, a lot of people, on their go, they have that experience of coming out. And then some people say, yeah, but my family just kind of always knew. It wasn't like that dramatic Channel 4 drama where I said, Mom, Dad, I have something to tell you. It was like, they just sort of knew and it happened organically. And what was your experience of that like?

Well, I sort of had like an awakening when I was younger and I kind of like told my mum gently and it was all a bit up in the air. But she was really good about it. And then when I was 21 I got a girlfriend and I was like really worried about telling my mum. It was more like I was just embarrassed. Oh, there's a big standoff between a swan and a dog. Do you know? And the dog was a massive white dog. And I think the swan was a bit confused.

I'm thinking it was another swat. Are you one of us? Oh. Maybe. Do you know what? The way that dog stood up to that swan, it was a bit like you. Standing up to Frank Skinner. No, it just gave off very...

I feel safe with you energy. I feel very safe with you. Oh, that's good. That's lovely. Do you think it's because if it kicked off, I punched someone in it? head with you. No, I don't mean from a physical point of view. I can't explain. You're just a safe presence. That's so nice. I don't mean like security. But that's the thing. When I go around with Ed and Paul and Frank and Johnny, because there's something about me where I'm either a slow

walker or I just like to sort of be behind the gang with them in front of me, just you know, surveying, surveying what's going on. I do look like I'm going for a service station with Frank's going to be on. Move on, Frank, please. All right. No, people. pictures thank you that's what it's like no I think it's because you're you're quite calm yeah

oh we saw him a minute ago that man very observant he's just walking around in circles this man just doing deals I mean integrally we are so I was just as I said that I realised judging you not he would be walking around his circles on the day like today chatting shit

maybe he's recording his hip podcast walking the cat So yeah, you were saying it was after you got your first girlfriend. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was more just embarrassed. Like, you know, when you have to sort of admit to your parents that you're like a sexual being that fancies people? That's mortifying, isn't it? I think that's what's tougher gay people, because heterosexual people don't have to do that.

So why should you, if you're gay? Maybe we should make heterosexual people do it? I think it, honestly, I believe that. I think that's fair. Because why should you have to say who you want to sleep with? Yeah. You know. Parents should have a questionnaire and they put it out in front of their kid and you have to fill in all your kinks.

I mean, I never had to say, Mom, Dad, I'm heterosexual. Your mum was gutted. Genuinely, my mum was devastated. It was the worst thing that ever happened to my parents. It was so disappointed. Because we didn't, like, my sister's, I remember my sister's ninth birthday party. and she went, why are there only seven gay men at my birthday party?

That's amazing. So you sort of had to come in. Yeah, we were a huge disappointment. I'm sorry. Oh, look at this, Chloe. There's lots of pigeons and there's de geese get on with pigeons. Well, they're sort of getting on like an absolute house on fire here. So I only have an evidence pool of one.

But they look happy. Chloe, how are you with confrontation? Why? Is it about to kick off? I'm all right. Like, I would say probably good at defusing situations, but maybe also like do get a bit pissed off and could escalate some stuff sometimes.

But what I mean is, are you a soul cut? Or do you ring up people and say, I'm a bit annoyed about this? Oh, like, like conflict rather than confrontation? I mean, should say? conflict yeah yeah i'm a bit scared of it but i would i would like yeah i probably i'm a bit more avoidant than you would expect me to be but i will have difficult conversations but maybe i won't necessarily be the one to initiate them i think because i get worried about like upsetting people

and also just like you know that thing of like asserting your own needs can be quite scary sometimes because it feels like you're going to get judged or yes whatever I'm not bad at it but I'm not the best. Ray Ray, Ray, treats. What about when David Bediel came on this podcast and he said, I think it's very cruel that you keep shouting treats and not actually giving him treats. So I don't feel comfortable being part of this because you're lying and I'm a fundamentally honest person. Welcome to walking the dog.

Yeah, but like dogs get, like that's how you train dogs, isn't it? It's like the promise of a treat is always there. Well, when you get your dog, and I'm convinced you are going to get a dog now, two little trawlers. With your girlfriend. Are we allowed to mention your girlfriend? Yeah, of course, yeah. I bet she's nice your girlfriend.

She's the nicest person ever. She's Australian. Oh, shut up. Yeah. Did you meet her in Australia? Yeah, at the comedy festival. So she lives there now, but she visits a lot and for work and she's going to move over. So is it long distance?

Yeah. Do you think Aussies say long? Dizzy. Well, I'm dizzy, mate. How long have you been with her? Six months. It's pretty fresh. It's really good.

It's really good. You'll love her. I've got a really good vibe. I see an Australian for you. I do, Chloe. She's great. She's amazing. You love her.

I do love Ozzy. You know, the most Australian thing I've ever seen, there was a series, and your girlfriend will know this, even though she's a young thing, it's gone down as sort of cultural folklore. There was a series called Sylvania Waters, which was one of the first

reality shows, which went out in the 90s or something. Her parents would have watched it and she'll know it. And there was your classic Ocker sort of Australian family who made a bit of money. The woman was called No Lean. You're getting the picture with dyed blonde, frazzled hair, chain smoke. And the most, my parents used to quote this all the times it was the best thing. The dad walks in one day. There's this house with like big white leather sofas, you know. And he shouts at the family, goes, is there any good reason why the television isn't on? and he's furious because they're not watching tell you

and I thought this sums up everything I love about Australia he didn't even think this is a weird thing to say oh I love the sound of your girlfriend so will she come over and watch the show do you think?

Yeah she's going to be over in like two two and a half weeks oh Ray what we're going to wear oh we're going to look so nice you put a nice bow tie on Ray Chloe you are such a joy and a delight

and I've met you before but I think I like you even more than I could even imagine. That's really nice. I think you're amazing too. I think one of my favourite qualities is that you're simultaneously really funny and also a generous laugher. And I think people that generously laugh are the nicest people ever because they just make you feel good.

I only laugh because you've been funny. Sometimes I do this podcast in silence. Yeah, but sometimes you say something funny. I'm like, that was a good one and someone's just like, Whereas you've shown me when you've found so funny. Well, Ray and I have so loved walking with you. I've loved walking with you. We're very excited about your show.

So your show is coming up at Soho Theatre. How you see me, how you don't. And the dates are 13th to January to the 25th of January. And then I go on a UK tour after that to all around the place. And you can, if you want to get tickets, I think it's Chloe Pets.org. Chloe Pets.org, yeah, really good, actually. go to. Yeah.

We've loved this. And you are definitely going to get a dog. That's decided. You've committed to it on the podcast. And they can play with raining. So it's a chihuahua. What do you think you'll call it?

Like tiny baby or something like that. Tiny baby. Have you run that past your other half? Yeah, she'll love that. There's also, I find the name peanut really cute. I like peanuts. And what about this one as well? Crayon.

How cute is that? Imagine that little chihuahua that we saw going crayon. Also, if there is further down the line, it could be a situation where we've got a peanut pet. And I don't want to, I'm just saying. Yeah, it's got to be that, hasn't it? Peanut pets. That's funny.

I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog. We'd love it if you subscribed. and do join us next time on Walking the Dog wherever you get your podcasts.