Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Chris and Rosie Ramsey

Episode Date: November 9, 2021

This week Emily and Ray went to the Northumberland countryside to take a stroll with Chris and Rosie Ramsey. They chatted about their childhoods, Chris’s bold chat up line to Rosie, their family life with their two boys and the Sh**ged Married Annoyed empire! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

He's so cute. Have a little wee wee? Are you having a wee? Come on, then. For the purpose of the audio, Raymond's having the wee, not Emily or Rosie. This week on Walking the Dog, I took Raymond to the beautiful Northumberland countryside to take a stroll with the fabulous Chris and Rosie Ramsey. Chris is a hugely successful stand-up and Rosie was also a performer, but she was busy raising their kids when in 2019 the two of them decided to do a podcast

about their relationship. They called it Shag Maradanoid. They had no idea they were spawning an entire entertainment empire. It's had over 90 million downloads led to a Sunday Times bestselling book and a sold-out live arena tour. I kind of knew the Ramsies would be welcoming, but Raymond and I got some next-level hospitality. They made us tea, they let us nose around the house,

I became best friends with Rosie's mother, I even picked out the bedroom I'm going to move into. And we had the loveliest walk where we chatted about their childhoods, the work ethic instilled in them both by their parents. Chris's pretty bold chat up line to Rosie and the family life they've created with their two boys. We also discussed the huge success of Shag Marad Anoyd, which is currently on tour and I really urge you to go and see it. You can find out all the live dates at Shagmaridanoid.com. I loved Chris and Rosie. They're just such warm, generous and hilarious people.

And best of all, they totally fell for Raymond. So Raymond and I will be moving in with them. Just FYI, Chris, Raymond likes Egyptian cotton sheets, please. I really hope you enjoy. Well, please remember to rate review and subscribe. I'll hand over to them now. Here's Chris and Rosie and Raymond. He's a lovely little man. How are you so chill? Raymond, we're going to put your lead on now. We'll get Chris to help us. Oh yeah.

Everyone done inside? I lock up. Yeah, you got a kale. Yeah, I need to get my sunglasses at the car. I've never known anything like a dog this chill in my life. Really? Sorry. Oh look, look these little bag! It's like the liberty dog. Love it. Take your bag, Raymond.

We're going to walk around here through a field, through a little wood, through another field and then into the village. But... I know, we're not going through fields, are we? Do you not want to? I thought we'll just walk through the loop. We could do the loop if you want or we could go through the field and through the forest. It's just we've got white trainers left and right here, man. Rosie, these are city folk.

I know you... Look at us, man. Look at us. lock your car oh shit right I nearly wore my wellies today I've got pink hunters that's as far as I go come on Raymond Chris

what do you take you're with pleasure you little dude he's so cute have a little wee wee are you having a wee come on then for the purpose of the audio Raymond's having the wee not Emily or Rosie it's not three o'clock in the morning

would you leave me we'll go this one of our kebabs Right. Yeah. Come on, Raymond. I feel bad that he's going to get muddy with his perm. He hasn't got to make him sound like Kevin Keegan. Does he still live here?

Up here? I don't know. It's all we do. You know, we always talk about people who are from the northeastern world. We're all like, do they still live here? Chris, you look so sweet with Raymond, doesn't he, Rosie. What do you think? Does this make Chris even more attractive in your eyes, seeing him with Raymond?

Do you know what? Like... We're currently on two it together. We take a lot of it. make me more attractive to her. That is so true. No, Chris is desperate for a dog, but I am, I'm not even on the fence, I'm very much a firm no.

Well, all that's going to change in an hour. Do you know what? I've already had a cuddle of him. He's already won my heart. Haven't you, Raymond? No, I like dogs. I do like dogs. It's just the, um, I've got,

well, I've got two kids, that's why. When they're a bit older, to be fair, Chris was a grower. Yeah, that is so true. How do you know? Definitely not a sure. Definitely not a sure, I tell you that. And was a grower, it sounds like he's been lopped off.

Oh yes you can't. Oh God, Chris, do you feel like you're on the hen? Honestly, I am glad this dog's a bloke, even when the number's out. We should be carrying a bottle of rose. Oh, yes, gin and a tin. We can let them off when we go to, when we go up there. Yeah? Oh, see, you know what this means he's doing a, he's doing the Peter Crouch.

Okay. Oh. And the Peter Crouch leads to the Shih Tzu. There we go. Brousie? Is that a little poo? Guys. Is that a little, is that a poo? That's a big poo for a dog. Oh, I think it's quite small.

I don't think that's his. We're in the country. He's just dropped it in, yeah. Are you sure? What, do you think you squatting over someone else's poo for a laugh? Cleaming it as his own. Is this what you say to not pick it up? Aren't we then?

Come on, Ray. Get that country air in you. This is a huge moment for me. I'm such enormous fans of these two. And they're so busy. And I can't actually believe they've been so kind to spare the time to come on my podcast. I'm with the very fabulous Chris and Rosie Ramsey. and we're in

the north-east countryside God's country God's country Oh look at it It's nice isn't it The views are spectacular It's about how far is it from Newcastle About 20 minutes

20 minutes outside of Newcastle Yeah probably if you want to go centre But yeah you can literally get into the outskirts of Newcastle About 12 minutes in the car Yeah And we're here with what I brought my dog Raymond to see you guys Because you two don't have a dog

No but how are you feeling about Raymond so far? I mean I love him I loved him the minute he walked in the house I love dogs Chris loves dogs Chris is desperate for a dog Most dogs I meet I would die for them

In about five minutes And did you, did either of you have dogs When you were growing up? No Nah, never We always wanted one Yeah, my man would never get one Why not, was she not dog?

No, well she had dogs grown up That was one of our arguments Because she had dogs grown up We used to say, you're so unfair You've had a dog Why can't we get a dog? But no, my mom's just not a big animal lover and she had three kids

I think it was just an extra because they are they're quite tiring dogs aren't they? They are quite hard My sister's just got one and he's absolutely gorgeous Bay he's beautiful but he's more intense than the kids

He's a lush dog but when she brings around it's like she's bringing an anxiety attack around to your house She brought him around the other week So she brings that to you I love it a bit, but I slag her off on our podcast, so I might as well slag off on yours as well.

She brings her two kids around who are brilliant, lovely lads, and her husband and the dog, and Kate will leave the room with Rosie to go and look at something. I'll talk about something, and the dog just barks non-stop. Fire.

But Michael, her husband, he can sort of drown it out. So he's like, how's the two, isn't that going, Chris? And it's just, and it's just, bong, well, we're at you. And I'm like, mate, I can't have a conversation with these conditions. It's just going to have to stop.

It's absolutely. It's like a fire alarm going off and just like having a big crack on. It's impossible. He's so cute. He is gorgeous. He's a beautiful dog, but you know, he's a bit clingy. But I think it always makes it quite nice when you get, when you have a dog from a puppy as well. Because then you, I don't know, you're just really, really the part of the family, aren't they?

Look at Raymond here. Look at how chilly is, man. No, he is. So chilly's almost passed out, man. He's class. No bother at all. You might have to get a Raymond. We can list him off the lead if you like, Chris.

I'm trying to might run into a farm or something. I don't want to slag him off, but he does look a little bit out of place next to the farm. Next to the farm. To me fair, so do I. Yeah. It almost looks like someone's dropped an expensive handbag on the floor. Come on, show Chris and Rosie what you can do. There you go.

That's what he can do. Nothing. Waddle. So neither of you had dogs growing up, but I want to know about your respective families. and your childhoods and I've read your absolutely brilliant book which I loved. Thank you. Thank you. Which was based on your podcast, your hugely successful podcast and stage show and I'm calling it the Shag Maradinoid Empire. Nice. Oh you're not, yeah. And so I feel I know a little bit more about it but did you have

similar childhoods? Yeah we in the sense that we're from the same town we had very similar childhoods but in in different ways they were completely different she's about sluggers off and I'm not slagging you off Chris was an only child there we was one or three straight so he used to get everything that he asked for and I didn't not everything I didn't have a dog did I no and you didn't have Sky and I never went to America it's the Holy Trinity of the three things I didn't get off in there didn't have a dog didn't have Sky didn't go to America we need neither of us have been at Disneyland yeah isn't that a bit sad neither of us have been both wanted it

never been. Did you live near each other when you grew up? Yeah, right next to each other. We used to play out in the same street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, only a couple of times, it was when one of your, one of Rosie's mates was going out with one of my mates, so Rosie ended up, uh, Rosie and a friend ended up being the sort of resident girls who visited the street a couple of times. I mean, you grew up, as you say, with your siblings, didn't you, yeah, yeah. And your mom and dad had. Yeah. And your mom was quite, I get quite a strong impression of her that she was almost quite firm in a way yeah no she was really strict super strict yeah um but i don't know whether it was i always thought it was because

she was really strict but actually as we've got older i think it's just they didn't have much money so we got told no quite a lot no we can't do this we can't go there you can't have that sweets on a friday and watching her as a grandparent with not as much financial struggle she's like a different person. Oh yeah, it's ridiculous. It's our money, she'll give the kids anything she wants. Yeah. It's our fridge, it's our fridge, it's our cupboards.

She doesn't give two pots. She let Robin have two jammed tarts last night and two custard creams. Oh, she can spend your money like? I'm joking, I'm totally joking. She's great. She's a saint. I call her a saint. She's a saint.

And Chris, what about you? Because apparently you're an only child. No. Oh. But no, genuinely, what? did you want brothers and sisters? Yeah, always, always wanted a brother. I used to always say I want a brother.

When I used to go on holiday, my mom and dad's big thing, well, like that working class kind of, you have to have a two-week holiday every year. Do you know what I mean? You have to go away. Last week in July, first week in August. My birthday's August the 3rd, so I always had my holiday abroad.

And I always used to just say, I want a brother. I want a brother because I'm bored on holiday, do you know what I mean? But it got us really good at making friends. I talked about it in the book, my tactic of making friends. standing near people while they're throwing a ball and wait for their ball to go astray.

It's genuinely true. You've got a brother now, haven't you? Him and my brother get along really, really well. And they call each other brother, don't you? Call each other, bro, yeah. He rings you before he rings me? He does, yeah. And you've got a brother-in-law as well.

You've got Kate, Michael, Kate husband. Yeah, but he's got the dog with him, he doesn't count. Yeah. I always find that only children tend to be quite sort of prematurely almost sophisticated and mature because they're spending much more time with adults all the time. Was that the case with you? Good point, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

I also hung around with older lads as well. All my mates were two years older than me, which isn't much, obviously, when you're an adult, but when you're in first year comprehensive and they're in third year comprehensive, it's quite a gap. They're almost blokes. Do you know what I mean?

They're all on back end of puberty and you're still a child, essentially. So I suppose there was a bit of that. I always think that that sort of, made me humour, I used humour quite a lot to get out of situations when I was a kid and my dad was quite funny as well so I don't know if I don't know if maybe the maturity thing was possibly counteracted by the constantly to get a laugh and be daft you know what I mean? But you had bad acne as well didn't you?

Yeah I had really bad acne that I mean thanks for just throwing that in from out of nowhere. I mean definitely it was about it was about maturity but thanks but that was another No, because it was, you used it, you used comedy as a defence mechanism against Jack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You spoke about before. Yeah, so that... Don't say it like it's a new thing. Yeah, well, I sort of dipped my toe into another question and you just threw it straight, isn't there?

But yeah. No, I did. You haven't now. I had really bad acne when I was a kid when I was a teenager. And again, comedy and, you know, that was me sort of defence mechanism. So like I say, I may have been, I may have been slightly more mature, but I was always taking the piss, so you probably couldn't tell. Yeah. But that does.

That must really affect your confidence, I imagine. Oh, it was awful. I mean, yeah, I was weirdly talking about it with someone the other day. I said, the lockdown, right, the 18 months of lockdown and heavy pandemic stuff and having acne were the two worst, worst times in my life on paper. It made me two worst times in my life. Yeah. And the acne was really, yeah. I remember once I had a big red spot on the end of my nose, but it was a blind spot. So it was just, I looked like a clown. I looked like it was just red, like just the edge of my nose was red. and my mum let her stay off school. Oh. Yeah, because I was just like, Mom, I was like, what?

And she was like, oh, look, you don't have to go in. So I didn't have to go in until it died down. Oh, I love Mrs. Ramsey. I put toothpaste on it because it took the thing down. You put toothpaste on them and feel really angry. Toothpaste used to, well, I think it used to calm them down. I don't know. But I sat with toothpaste on it and played on my paystation all day, bless her.

That was nice. Little Anne. And your parents, what did your respective parents do? So my mum, when I was younger, was a nurse. My dad was, he worked for the prudential, he kind of collected mortgages and things. But then he left there and did his master's degree, so went back to university.

It's very clever, your dad. He's super clever, my dad. But he never went to uni after school. He just got a job, so. Him and his mate are, and he's always, how clever he is. Him and his mates are literally an unbeatable pub team. Yeah.

The fountain and south are. They win every week. It's unbelievable. But what did they do now? My dad works for the NHS now. Yeah, your dad works for NHS. And my mum used to be a learning mentor but she's retired now. And then your mum and dad?

Yeah, my mum and dad. My mom worked NHS again, child records. So when children had the immunisations, she would run it all through the computers and stuff and do all that. And my dad had quite a few jobs. I mean, he worked at the pit and then the pit closed down. And then he was like, he was just even, do basically anything.

You can work with metal. You can work with wood. A handy man, I think he was a shipwright, which apparently back in the day in the dockyards, a shipwright was, quote unquote, a joiner with his brains bashed out. So it was a not as skilled labourer. But he could do a bit of welding.

He's really talented at welding, isn't he? He makes people railings and gates. He made us a table recently out of a tree stump, and he made a bench. He's really good. And then he was a delivery driver for a bit. And then he was worked on his final job before he retired. He was basically that for different government buildings.

Like job centres around the north-east, he would go and fix stuff and fix the doors and sort the fire alarms out and just stuff like that. And then he retired. You both went on to be performers, obviously. But was that something that was evident in when you were growing up? Oh let's move. Oh, hang on.

Let's get out the way for the car. The posty. Oh, I love that post woman. She's cool, isn't she? There's a couple of post women around here. Yeah. I think we've got like three postwomen. Is it?

Yeah. Get in. Tell me. Yeah, when you were growing up, both of you, I can imagine you were always funny. That was always a schick, really, for you. Yeah, my parents here was, didn't they? I think I was always a bit of a class clown.

And a bit, I was just a bit of a show-off, really. I knew that I want, I just liked being on stage and I knew that I wanted to sing and dance and act and yeah so it's kind of worked out quite nicely for me from when I've been, because I've just been performing since I was a kid really, but never too intensely I didn't go to dancing or anything or I went to little drama groups

and then did it as a job when I turned 18 and yeah. Chris, what about you then? you obviously became a comic and I think comics stand-ups are interesting aren't they because they're either they're either those sort of quiet kids that I'm calling it the sort of Rowan Atkinson type who are really funny on stage and they use the stage to channel everything and then you get the ones who are funny in the room they said Michael McIntyre yes which were you yeah the latter 100% the latter. I remember when I first

stand up, thinking, oh, it's going to be a bit like a boys club, everyone's going to be hilarious and oh, it's got to go for a pint with him, bloody blah. And I remember thinking, oh no, actually, these are all really quite introverted, quite interesting people. But yeah, I was definitely the latter, definitely, you know, class clown.

Like, even from a young age, it's really strange. I always find it quite hard to point of words, but whereas other kids, if maybe you all met up, you know, in the park on a Friday night or whatever, you know some kids would be there to impress the girls some kids would be there to be the best at football some kids would be there to be the hardest one there and be tougher than everyone else and my aim

was always to make people laugh before I knew it as a job it was always and when I think back it was always if I made some people laugh if I made a group of people laugh even as a teenager even as 1213 it was a real rush and it was a real tick like right this interaction went well because they laughed like tick. Do you know what I mean? It's hard to put it into words, but it was always a real life goal for me to make people laugh in the moment.

That's interesting, isn't it? And was that something you had? Yeah. Yeah, I never thought about comedy as such. But it was definitely something that I enjoyed doing. I love doing comedy acting. I remember being four years old and being picked to go around the school

and sing everyone a song that my nana had taught. and it was so weird, isn't it? So, Sonsio. There was another thing at school like you did, and you could just say Rosie, just front of the class, hand up, straight away. What do you mean? There was another thing you did?

I can't remember what it was. There was another thing you were picked to do at school like you've told us about in the past. Is that not when we were on holiday and I won a competition, but the woman thought I was German all the way through until I sang a hymn from school. Ah, yeah.

Colours of day, colours of day. And she was like, oh my goodness, you're English. I was like, yeah. I never knew Rosie when she was little, little, like when she was, you know, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. But all I would sum you up from what I've heard is a little show off. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was, yeah.

Look at me, everyone, I imagine. But not in like, it. But also middle child, which is weird. I was a middle child, yeah, that's why I did it. Yeah, yeah. You had all, let's be honest, you got to take up space. Yeah, I got, yeah. So I was always, it was like, it would always be if the family were around, I would have a bit.

It would be a bit. It would be like, Chris, show them that thing you are doing. And it'll be like something daft or an impression of something I've seen on the telly. Do you know what I mean? Just, yeah. But your dad's like that. Your dad's a showman. His dad does the Tommy Cooper impression, does he?

Every New Year's Eve. He sits and looks up at it doesn't. Remember when we caught and reading the book? Oh, yeah, yeah. So he does it every new year at this party that my mom's friend has. It's what you do. I know. Yeah, so weird.

I know. And he's got the suitcase and that. He takes it all around. So he gets to the, it's a new. New Year's party that my mum and dad's friend Michelle has and he gets there early in stashes he's Tommy Cooper stuff in an upstairs bedroom and then he'll go and do it halfway through the night.

He does it every year so they can't be surprised. I think every year he tells them not this year and then he goes on the toilet and he comes out with all these keys. Honestly, he was telling us the other day that he did it on a weekend away with his mates. Oh yeah. He said it was a weekend away with his mates and there'd been a comedian on and he said to the comedian

and you leave your mic for us. I forgot about that. The comedian left his microphone from my dad. Every dad got up, but he took the mic stand apparently. So my dad had the microphone in his armpit, and he did the Tommy Cooper apparently. I think he wanted to do what you do. I think my dad's a frustrated performer, yeah. I think if my dad was born, if we were one generation further on, and if I was my children

and my dad with me, he'd be doing the same job now. But I just think growing up, where he grew up in a, you know, working class mining village, it just, I want to be a comedian, isn't a thing that happens. Yeah. I'm going to pause things briefly here for some full disclosure. At this point in the walk, we found ourselves outside a pub. And when the Ramsey see a pub, you don't argue with them. So welcome to Part 2, sitting with the dog drinking in the Ramsey's local.

Thank you, sir. Cheers. Cheers, thank you for coming up to us, by the way. I appreciate it. I need to get to the bit where you two met. Because you went to college originally together. And what happened? You were aware of each other the first time?

Yeah. You sat next to my boyfriend in maths. No. Matt's? Yeah. First year of college I sat. But we were aware of each other beforehand because obviously we knew each other from when we were about 14, 14, 15. And I didn't really see much of them, but I always knew who you were.

We always knew each other. And yeah, when I went to college, I did maths. I don't know why. lasted a year. And I sat next to Rosie's current boyfriend at the time who it was when you said current I know I was like,

well they kept the coin. He stilled. Yeah. He can't work together. He actually lived in the cellar which I'm really I'm really, I didn't show you. No, so he's there.

He was very clever and I used to copy off him in maths. So yeah, and then I used to see his wife, then you stole his woman. Then you stole his woman. After he'd, after they had broke up years.

Years later. Did she used to see Rosie around, though, and think, while she's hot? Yeah. So from when she was around me street when I was like 14, I remember it was like, I also thought you were older than us, weirdly, because girls always seem older, don't they? Girls always seem older, and, you know, you weren't looking after yourself. Wow.

That hits a raw spot, actually, because my sister's like three years older than me, but everyone thinks I'm older than her. So they have hit her own nerve there. Something that's... And everyone thinks to be mum's my sister, which is highly offensive. Well, yeah. Moist your eyes. I used to work near a fella acumen. I just...

No, so, yeah, I was always aware. It was one of them we had things where we all were all but at each other's friendship. I knew who you were. You were always one person removed, less than one person removed really from each other. And then, yeah, and then I was just to walk past here when I wasn't more in college.

But you didn't stay in college for long, did you? You went to work at the gadget shop. I did. I left college. I worked like 40 hours a week. I was full time. And I was only 16. Full time in the gadget shop. I loved it.

I loved earning my own money. Did you? Mm-hmm. And obviously the job was great because they had a lot of people who performed. So it was loads of uni students who were doing the singing and dancing and stuff. Because there was a massive element of performance. Well, did I tell you about this when we had the interview? You had to sing on karaoke and you had to draw a picture of what you wanted to be in five years.

It was a really odd interview. The gadget shop interview? For the gadget shop, yeah. It was just a really cool job to have. They were a really cool company to work for. I've got the sense that you were both grafters, you know. You both had a work ethic. Was that something that you got from your parents?

Was that something you had naturally? Where do you think that comes from? Well, I definitely got it from your parents. You know, you need to earn your own money. You need a job. This is, you know, a great value to have. I'm trying to instill it in our kids as well. I remember when I worked at all sports,

and I've talked about it in my stand-up, I used to get £2.75 an hour in all sports. That's what I used to get. And I would do four hours a week, just on a Saturday, four-hour shift. And by the end of the month, it was largely pointless. It was about £40, by the end of the month. Do you know what I mean? Maybe even less.

And I remember I say to my mum, well, I know, oh, my mates are going out on Saturdays and I'm missing out, you know. And she was like, well, you'll have no money. I'm not giving you anything, you know, you've got to keep your job. So I ended up getting more hours at all sports. And I think that's all cracked on into what we do now, because we're not, I mean, we are so busy and we are so, we're just constantly got other stuff on the go and things. And, you know, we're finding hard to say no to stuff because we're from this working class background

of when you've got to work while you can, you've got to just do it. Well, because when we were younger, if you didn't work, I didn't get pocket money. And I had to pay a board. when you had to pay a £30 a week to my mum and dad from being, I think it was from 16 I paid board how old are you? Where? How old are you when you paid board?

Pardon? You didn't pay a board? No, you didn't, did you? Didn't pay boards. Wow. My man was shocking. You would borrow 50 pence for the bus and she'd write it on the calendar

and you'd have to peer it back. Absolutely love it. But I want to do that. I want to charge the lads rent to live in our house. Rape's only not in long. Never too young. Never too young. But I think it instills,

it teaches you that you have to keep money aside out of your wage to pay for things. Rob Beckett, who's written a brilliant book, which I know you've got as well, but he actually has this constant fear that it's going to disappear tomorrow a bit. Same. So does Chris.

Yeah, every gig's my last gig. Always. Every gig's my last gig. If a gig sells out, and then my management go, we should put another date on in that venue because it's sold out. I'm like, no, no,

like everyone who wanted to come is there. That was the specific amount of people. So that's a, you know, 2000 seat down. There was only 2,000 people. There's no more, so it's pointless putting it on. Do you know what I mean? I've got this really strange,

and it's only started to lessen a bit now that Rosie's on, yeah, like now that I mean, Rosie are a team, it lessens a bit because I've got someone to lean on a little bit, whereas when it was just me, with stand-up, it was always,

this is the last tour. This is, with material as well, this is the last show I'll ever write. I'll not be to write any more jokes after this. I've done everything. I've done all my memories. I've done all my experiences. I'm not going to have any new opinions.

But yeah, I'm constantly, I hate going under, you know, and I'll tell you how much, but I hate going under a certain amount in my bank because it freaks us out, you know. But it's because we're not from this kind of background. We're in the similar position to Rob Beckett. When he was talking about how he doesn't know what class he is,

we grew up extremely working class, and now our children, are not going to grow up working class because I think we probably are middle class now where we live. I think on paper we're definitely still working class as people. Yeah, but our kids aren't going to be working class.

No, our kids already aren't middle class. It's weird that, isn't it? That you sort of graft and you work for all these things and then I suppose are you very conscious is what I'm saying to make sure that those values that you had, that work ethic, that get a job, have a purpose in life. that you instill that in your kids.

We're already trying to do it, aren't we? In ways of... We're still very in touch with our, you know, family and friends who... Like, my mom lives in a one-bedroom flat, doesn't she? Yeah. So, you know, Robin and Rave stay there all the time and they understand that we live in a nice house

in a nice area, and, you know, not everybody has this life, but we're trying... I think when they get to an age, when they... I want them to have a part-time job. 100%. I want them to glass collect in a pub or a paper round or something. And I just think it's important, and I don't think I would like it if they didn't. I don't know.

But we've got a good work, I think. Now, we work really hard. So hopefully they'll see that. I'm trying to explain to Robin when I go away and stuff and I'm on too, and I'm saying, look, Daddy needs to go away. Otherwise, we can't have a nice house. You're not meant to do that now, apparently. Why?

I heard it on a podcast. You're not meant to tell your kids that you work hard so you can buy things for them. I didn't know. I'm not guilty. I'm just saying, I don't mean for him, I mean for me. No, I think, personally, I think it's important because my mom and dad used to go to work

and they'd say we're going to work to keep a roof over your head. That's what it always was. My dad's one. It's for a roof over your head. Always sticks in my head this, right? My dad worked at there. He was delivery for a factory

that made nuts and bolts. And he used to sit at the bottom of stairs. I can still see it in my head now and shut my eyes, I can see him sitting there. And he used to put his boots on, these big work boots. and he used to say, son, watch me putting these boots on, I never want you to have to put boots like this on.

It was his thing. He never wanted me to put work boots on. That does make me cry because I just think, look at what you've achieved, what he must think, and just seeing how successful you are. I love that. I love stories like that. I'm not slagging anyone off who puts work boots on. You've always got to, you know,

I'm sure if my dad was putting them on and running his own building firm, you would have a different opinion on it, but he was delivering and he didn't like his job. And he just had this thing of like, I want you to wear a shirt or a suit or do whatever. I don't want to, I don't want to wear work boots. And I do remember.

Honestly, it's a really, really vivid memory that I've got. We'd need to get on to when you met properly. Yeah. I mean, you'd met, but we need to talk about when the romance started. Who wants to? Was he? Oh, you want me to do it, do you? I've done a lot of talking, come on.

So, be nice. So, we. No, we met you when, what happened? The first time. You'd been to Dean's wedding. I'd be to my cousin's wedding. We went to South Shields clubbing. And Chris was there.

You'd just done the customs house theatre? No, is that a different time? Yeah, yeah, I was there. I was just randomly there. And then you were with a mutual friend of ours. And then we went back to his house. His mom and dad's house. And we had a smooch in his garage.

On a rolled-up carpet. And then the next time was a similar story. Same nightclub. Same nightclub. I was put my coat on. It was about 2 o'clock in the morning. And Chris came out of nowhere. And he went, where are you going?

And I went, I'm going home. And he went, can I come? And I said, yeah. The hit rate for that kind of approach is frighteningly low. I was... She was the 10th woman had said that to. Don't you do! Don't you do?

That's horrible. I'm joking. I am joking. That's sad. you were obsessed with us from the kiss in the garage it was every time I walked past it so I kept going to the toilet a lot that night and I was walking past you and every time I walked past you

I saw you and I gave you a little smile and then I was like I'll go and talk about a second and I kept getting talking to people and then I saw you get in your coat and I panicked and I like ran over and then from then we dated a couple of times and then we got engaged six months later yeah I know but it just felt right didn't it it was just we knew each other from when we were younger

so you know when you kind of can take away that whole who are you do you know what I mean we knew about each other were from the same town and it was the first time I'd ever gone out with somebody who did a similar job to me so and you were doing stand-up

Chris and do you think that gave you in a way because doing stand-up I know you were sort of starting out more so you weren't enjoying the level of success that you know you've achieved now but do you think doing stand-up and knowing you're good at it and stuff gives you the confidence. Did you feel more confident in a way that approaching Rosie and then King, because it's quite a cool, I think what you came out with, I know we laughed at it, but saying,

well, you can't. It is quite like forward, isn't it? What is it? You said again, you said, where you're going, I'm going home, can I come? Yeah. I think that's quite a confident man. And I'm saying that me, the you that you described earlier, who was a bit shy and, you know, you were struggling that and all that. Do you, did comedy help you, is what I'm saying? Yeah, big time. Yeah, if I'd, what are you going to say? No, I was just going to, I don't think you are the same guy that you were then, though, now. No, no, definitely not. So when Chris was, when he was younger in the big comedy world,

like when you first started doing television, I think it was a bit of a bravado that he put on. Yeah, and I don't think that's you. No, I think I've chilled that in a horrible way. No, no, I've definitely chilled out a lot more now. But yeah, being, you know, mid-20s, early 20s and doing stand-up and, you know, going to your local nightclub and getting a VIP area because you've been on the telly. You know, of course, that is the kind of person.

You would walk over to a girl and go, I'm coming home with you, you know. Falford, a hootland singer. Well, when they're desperate. It works. Yeah, I was on the rebound. I don't need to split up. Yeah, I was well on the rebound.

Blog that in audio forever. It worked out in the end, but I was well on the rebound, Chris. So, yeah, yeah, not hugely confident in earlier life. and then, you know, stand up and being on tell you and stuff gives you a lot of confidence, especially for, you know, stuff like that in your hometown and, you know, people who want to foes with you, a night's out, you think you're great.

But then, yeah, I think I've just mellowed out a bit now. I think I know who I am a lot more now. I don't think I knew who I was back then. I know exactly who I am now. I don't think anybody does. Yeah. I think it's like when you know, when you watch programs, like Love Island and things like that and they're so young,

and then I always just think, gosh, if I'd have been that age and on the telly, I would have been awful. It's terrifying, isn't it? I would have been horrific. 20-year-old, on the TV, on one of them programs, I'd have been terrible. You know.

So I remember when Jody Shaw first came out, and I used to do stand-up routine slagging off Jory Show and stuff, and I went in really hard on it. And now, you know, as an older person looking back on it now, I just think, God, if you'd put 19-year-old me on telling me on telling me, that have been stand-ups hating me as well. Yeah. Because, like, you know, these poor people,

they just they lay their lives bare and they're kids and they don't know they don't know who they are and yeah you've hit the nail on the head Rosie they love island and that I've always said it whenever you know when people used to say about I was talking about this idea with you Rosie

when people say about like Justin Bieber and he's like two hours late to go on stage or he's done this and he's done that I'm like the fact that he hasn't murdered millions of people is a testimony to how much he's been able to handle being the most famous person on earth since he was nine

like come on man the fact that he hasn't gone on a killing spree he's done all right he has it must be really crazy I mean he's the most famous kids he was 12 baby baby baby baby baby was he 12 no he wasn't 12 I'm telling you

he was 12 13 40 when he got massive either way all I'm saying is you know these you know I'm glad I didn't do anything too stupid when I was a young comic Are you glad to tap with like the more fame thing is now I am. Yeah, I'm glad we're bigger now.

Yeah, I'm glad. I'm sorry you. Well, I've seen your house. No, but I'm glad I'm more, you know. That's all right, man. Yeah, I'm glad the bigger stuff, the arenas and stuff and the podcast things and the books and all that's happening now because I feel like we've got more to see as well.

Because this is who we are now who we are going to be for life. We're parents. We can't really change much, can we? I mean, we could. Let's go mental. Let's. We always talk about when the kids are older, don't we? We're just going to go crazy.

Yeah, yeah. Another thing I've stopped doing, because obviously I thought stand up was going to end. I always think it's going to end every day. I used to look at people like Ritney Javees who got into it later and going, and me and my early 20 is going, how am I going to keep this up for 20 years?

Like, oh my God, and I'm going, oh, these bloody guys who got massive late in life, how lucky are you? Do you know what I mean? Like, because you go, yeah, John Bishops and that already got grown up kids and then he becomes absolutely huge and he goes,

but I'm very happy where we are now is my point. I just used to look at other people in panic. Yeah, I see that. And you, it's interesting how things work for you as well because you were hugely successful as a stand-up and you were pleased, I presume, with how your career was going. Yeah.

And then you were really busy. You had Robin, when did you have Robin? So he's nearly six. Yeah. So 2015 he was born. So I'm presumed you're quite hands-on with motherhood at that point. I left my job, didn't I? Yeah.

I went back to work for five months, and I was doing the drive-time show on Capitol. Yeah. And it just didn't work. I didn't point him to bed. And I guess I was just kind of first-time mother wanted to be there for everything. And Chris, you said, don't work. Yeah. And I was like, okay.

worst thing I ever did She didn't Full-time mother her days She did not like being a full-time mother No it's I'm really glad that I got to spend that time with him But it is hard It's really hard

Really really hard You kind of lose who you are In a way Didn't you say this morning This was really weird That this happened today This morning I was sitting with Raph On my knee

Our little nine month old And you came in the room You came downstairs I let you have a lie in Oh yeah Rosie came down And he whinged wanted to be on Rosie's name.

I was like, what's him out of him? He's a bit fractured. I went, I think he wants you. And Robin never did that because you had Robin nonstop, but she's been working with Rhaef so he wants his mommy. It was lush.

And everybody else's kids used to cry for them. And Robin never did, because he was with me all the time because I didn't go to work or anything. And I missed working. I've worked my whole life to just stop working and to be,

have nowhere to go, no adult interaction it was really hard and we're so lucky with childcare and things like that aren't we? Our parents are the only people who have Rave and Robin when we're not there hence why we stayed up north

as well. It's just a lot easier but don't have a wrong being a man is bloody brilliant and you Chris you did I remember seeing you on Strictly in 29 you were brilliant on Strickley's great, weren't you? You're brilliant, you're brilliant

I didn't feel it, but yeah, it was difficult. Was it? It's very intense. Great fun, great fun, but very intense. The training, then professional dancers. They never let on how. They never let on. They don't let on.

It's hard. If the producers, right, he has a scoop for you, if the producers told all of the celebs, if the producers told all the celebs realistically what level of training was involved, no one would be doing that show. It would be Olympians, ex-professional footballers and boxers, and that would be it.

And that fella from the SAS. Everyone keeps saying to me all the time, would you do it? And I'm like, yes, I would. But at the same time, I saw Chris do it, and it's bloody hard work. Unbelievable. So I'm kind of like, oh. I mean, the team behind the show are incredible. The whole thing's amazing.

But then professional dancers, they get a lot of recognition, and I still don't think it's enough. I don't think they get enough. They are machines. It's like Royal Marine Training. I've never known anything like it. They're animals. At one point with Karen, Karen, who I was dancing with one day, a toenail just came off

and she went my toenail came off and I went oh we're going to the hospital she went no and she continued dancing Karen's hard as nails she's

I would have I would have never left the house I'd have been in a wheelchair for the rest of the week remember when she used to eat raw garlic she's nails I love Karen by the she's hard as anything

she's brilliant but also that well at least you know nothing in funnies going on if she's eating raw garlic You're alcoholic for training. She sticks. Keep the male celebs away.

That's her sign to you. But I do find that interesting because I know a lot of people said to you, oh, were you worried? And it's like, it's weird because I think anyone that would ask you that don't get you to. It's just a job. It's like people who've got partners who are working offices. Do you worry every day that they're going to cheat on you with such and such at the photocopy? Yeah.

It's a job. What if you're all supposed to gynaecologists? I know. I mean, it's in a nice vaguely. I mean, it's a bit of a clinical environment. I mean, you can at least put some candles on. A really weird experience is a gyna clash. He put, he lit a jostick. He dimmed the lights and let a jostick.

It was really uncomfortable. So, 2019 you do strictly, and that's a big year for you because also you two decide to do a podcast. Am I right? That's when Shaggnerd. That was the same time, was it? I did my own show for Comedy Centre at the Chris Ramsey show,

and they wanted me to do Facebook lives, because Facebook Live was the thing at the time. It was, weren't it? And they were like, you do a Facebook live every night before the show to promote it. So I'll be sitting there talking out of crap to the camera on my own.

And then Rosie basically started heckling us from the side. You're basically just heckling us and joining in. one of them. First one, she heckled and joined in. Loads of people were saying, oh, your wife was so funny last night. So then, yeah, so then next one, I was like, hey, it's us here. It's obviously

Chris Ramsey shows on, but Rosie's here with us, chatting about where we can stuff, and we did it every one, and then we thought, how do you turn Facebook lives into a thing? Because we got loads of views. We got a million views. Yeah, on a Facebook 5, and we were just kind of like, 100,000 fans or something on me

on my Facebook page at the time. and we talked about a YouTube channel and then Rosie came out of nowhere because it wasn't on the true crime and stuff and Rosie said podcast and famously I said, stupid idea, what's the point?

This face, wasting this. I mean, you may be Rosie, but this... And it's you two talking incredibly honestly just about your relationship And actually relationships in general and it was a huge success immediately, wasn't it? Did you know you had something sort of special on your hands with the podcast?

We really didn't. We still don't think it's special. We still think it's a fluke. It's the same as the thing before. We're still waiting for the week when everyone goes, and everyone simultaneously turns off. It's really weird. We don't know, do we?

Well, because it's a strange thing because I've always sung other people's songs and I've always acted a script. And we sit down and do the podcast, it's just this is our marriage and there's a couple of notes written down it's mainly off the cuff it's yeah

and then it's turned into something bigger than we thought it would which is great don't get me wrong it's absolutely great but it comes too easily that's I think what's scary about it it comes really easily we set a little bit of time in our day we're sometimes in our pajamas

it's sometimes at night we're having a drink we sometimes haven't brushed our teeth we're doing it and it's just us chatting and people seem enjoy it and when we did Wembley the other week we sat on the sofa in Wembley there's 11,000 people in the room still meant little bit I don't think it's sung in from we sat on the sofa and it was just chatting like we said we've come to the conclusion that we've got something missing in my brain there's something missing that we sat on that sofa and

chatted like there was no one there yeah it wasn't we weren't chatting like this and making the chat a performance we were chatting the way we're chatting now and there was 11,000 people in the room and we came off and we were like I went I went did you feel like we were on stage in Wembley then she was like no she was like I felt we're just sitting on a sofa talking and it's I mean it's bloody psychotic no there is something I think we've got some sort of chemical imbalance in our ins where we can do that I went to see you at the Palladium

and what really struck me about it is just it was your relationship was so genuine and it was funny but it just felt like a really lovely, sort of warm, joyful thing to be a part of, you know. I'm so glad. That's what we wanted it to do. That's what we wanted, isn't it? Yeah. It feels like that when we're on stage.

It feels just, it's so nice to have an audience there because we normally do the podcast and there's no reaction at all. Yeah. But we've learned that we've got some amazing fans, and they all bought tickets and come to see us, and now we've met them. Yeah. And it's great. People go wild.

I mean, it's like a wandering. direction gig or something. Well, in an honesty, right? I've got a bit of a bonner pick with my fans, my stand-up fans after this, because when the lights go down... Oh, yeah, because it's sad. Nobody cheers.

In a sad marinoid gig, when the lights go down, they'll take the roof off. Lights go down at my gig, you can hear people clear in their throat. You get a chair's moving and that and paper's rustling. Silence.

It's horrible. It's that stand-up thing in it, even if you've bought tickets to a stand-up, you're still part of your brain things is he going to be crap? I don't know why. It's that thing that comes with it. I don't know.

It's almost like they're going into a football match not knowing how the team's going to perform. It's like, guys, I know what I'm doing. Honestly, I'm all right. I'm all right. It'll be fine. You're still performing regularly.

You're still a hugely successful comic and you're doing simultaneously. You're doing this tour with, you're doing the Shag Maraddon Oil with Rosie and then you're also doing your stand-up. Yeah. But I think some people who are already successful and then to have your partner,

I think that says a lot about you and your relationship together. Well, the main thing I was worried about, we call it letting you in, don't we? Letting you in. She'll say now and then, she'll say thanks for letting me say. We've talked about it was a lot. We've talked about a lot. So she'll say thank you for letting me in. And I always wanted to let Rosie in, but my worry was always that,

because people can be horrible. We know people can be horrible. And I've, you know, over the years developed very thick skin for, you know, not just sort of trolls but heckles in real life and reviews. and knockbacks and you know part of us does forget

that Rosie did so much sort of performing and stuff on her own right but you know your trolls and your people being horrible and I was really worried and you know

finally let her in and it turns out you know most people prefer her to me now but what's really lovely is I get I'm going to sound really sorry here

everyone else gets to see what I see now so everyone gets to have do you know what I mean like Nets now it's like oh this really funny, cool, hilarious person who I live with who's brilliant who's my favourite person in the world

give a take See, I knew he'd ruin it I've got to, I can't finish I can't finish a full sincere sentence And now you're... I can't finish a full since I sentence Right, whatever They now all get to see

Oh look this is all... I'm like oh you know No longer is this secret that I'm keeping in the house Look you get to see this person Oh he's scratching it's because I stopped stroking them I see you now You now all Yeah

you now all get to see what I see, which is basically the crack. And it's brilliant. And there was a review for the live podcast show, which must have been by someone who was expecting a stand-up show, and they said that it was me basically being, instead of being a stand-up, I was being Rosie's hype man for the night.

But I will always be Rosie's hype man. I said, I'm always your hype man, I'll be your hype man on the day I die. I think the thing that weirdly which when we started a relationship together I wouldn't have imagined this happening in a million years I'm really glad it has

but I'm really grateful to Chris for letting yeah you're right a lot of people not even men or women might not have not liked to anybody else to be in the spotlight with them but Chris has fully fully let me in

and and he's really supportive of everything that I do and everything that I want to do because I would love going forward a career I've always wanted a career in entertainment business that a shadow not not supportive of everything and once famously Rosie wanted to um so buttons onto uh white pumps and she bought loads of buttons and she bought loads of white pumps from primar I knew you are going to mention this it was one of the worst business ideas I've ever seen I'm an entrepreneur right she's just a fucking idiot is what she is um she bought loads of

of multi-coloured buttons and loads of sewing stuff and some pumps. I wanted a business. I'm etzy. And then, yeah, and then, I think I've talked about in our podcast, but she then, she couldn't be asked to sew them all on because she realised how long I took the saw them on. So she then bought a glue gun and glued them on. But the problem was

the minute you took a step and your shoe folded, the buttons flew off like shrapnel. I did them for a wedding, didn't I? It was absolutely one of the stupidest things ever. It was like, you know, on friends, when Ross's dad tries to sell ice on the internet, it was up there. with that.

It sounds like, you sound like a set of Team Ignite in the apprentice or something like that really fuck up

the toss. It's bad, yeah. So we've got these button shoes. We're going to put them on shoes and it's going to make millions.

But you too, obviously, you're driven, aren't you? You're both very driven. I think we've got creative brains.

I'm very aware of the opportunity we've got, do I mean, we're not going to rest on it, we're not going to sit back and,

you know, we've got an incredible opportunity here that like our parents would never have dreamed of having the kind of opportunities that we've got at the moment for you know for to make our family's lives better and stuff and doing these things that we love yeah we like to look after our family as well yeah which is part of our drive I think yeah everyone gets looked after does that make you happy like being able to that must be lovely to say don't worry don't worry more than anything I would I would I would have cars and teeth seem to be the main thing we buy people

which is really weird. Cars, vans and teeth. I've bought two vans, a couple of teeth. This is true. He bought my brother a van. We bought my brother a van. Then we bought your dad a work van. And then we paid my sister's teeth to get done.

Bought my dad a tooth. You bought your dad's fake tooth. Oh, we got my... So we've got your... We've got our... Chris's mom and dad and my mom and dad. and my mom and dad have all had a car. Yeah.

Who are, no, but it's good. I would rather, I would rather... Honestly, every time I hear of a family member and get at the dentist, I'd just think of the tax bill. And you're thinking, I've still got my old tea. No, that's the thing. My tea does shit. You both followed up this morning.

She said, I'm the one who goes on telly and my sister, me mama coffee. Thank you. Benetti for me. He has me. Here's me on this morning with me, Oh God. Well, that's interesting because presumably there has been talked about that it's going to move on to TV.

I know you can't really comment possibly. We did a pilot. We did a pilot. You did a pilot. It's very fun. Is that, is it interesting, though, that you have been doing a podcast together and was there a part of you thinking, well, I hope this works for TV? Because it's a different, even though you're both experienced performers, it's a different energy, isn't it? TV's so different.

TV's something I haven't got experience in. I've done a couple of little things Chris has obviously done a lot more than me but TV is so different from live and radio it's a bit, it's daunting it's a scary world TV because live is

I don't know why you think live would be more daunting than TV but TV scares me a little bit but after we've done this now that we've done the tour together and we know how well we work together and the podcast together obviously I hope that

TV happens and I'm going to embrace it I think and it'll be really good fun I think you're both yes people and I think when you embrace opportunity it creates more opportunity it's like yes begets yes it comes back to you yeah we always say that you know when we're buying dental work and vehicles for family members we always say it comes back to you don't even because we we've always we talk about this so much because we we're not very lavish people we don't have you know handbags and sports cars and things like that. I can't enjoy our success if my brother or sister is struggling. I could not say it and buy this lavish handbag

if my brother or sister can't pay their bills that month or anyone in my family. I'd be all right with it, I think. I'm such a dick. You're such a dick because don't even. No. I love this. I'm taking out, don't because you're the first one.

They know I'm joking. I know. But that's our life currently and I can't live this lovely life that we're making for ourselves if people who I love aren't, you know, because we're not ashamed of it. We're from very working class backgrounds. And, you know, people who we love and adore don't have luxuries. And I would like to make sure that everyone who we really love is okay.

And that's more important to me than anything else. It's interesting though, isn't it? Because as you said, when I was asking you earlier, I know you said, Chris, I said, oh, what does it feel like? You say to me, there is never a point when you think we've made it. This is amazing. There was a phrase I always used to use when I was first starting stand-up, which is even when people are going, oh, you know,

like any level you get new people go, oh, you know, your headline on such and such and weekends now, you know, you're doing, you know, the thing, in whatever current pool of colleagues, happen to be in there's a top you know what I mean there's a glass ceiling there's multiple glass ceilings throughout and I remember always used to be saying like I'm always I'm always too busy climbing to enjoy the view and we've almost kept that going weirdly unconsciously through what we do as well because I just feel like would it feel arrogant it would probably feel a bit arrogant turn around and go hey look at us we've made it you know what I mean whenever you hear

someone whenever you hear someone refer to the self I mean it's the way if I tell stories and I'm on stage I'm doing Stanley. I've got to refer to something about doing strictly. I've got a big routine about Strictly in me show, and I still, every night, get a real gut-wrenching, strange feeling when I have to go. So you know I did Strictly, I'm going to talk about that now. I want to go, what? Because, you know, I'm still that working-class guy. I'm still, there's no point do I want to be like, look what we are, look at how we've made.

Because, you know, there's still, A, loads of different ways it can go, and B, it can still go wrong. We talk about it going wrong all the time, don't we? Yeah. But not wrong. We just say, if this all went tomorrow, we'd still have each other, we'd still have our kids,

and we'd still have a lovely life. And you've got to be really aware of that. Yeah. We've always got the button shoes. But it's always... Always got the button shoes. It's always a good fallback. There's a Labrador.

What do you think? Oh, that's the kind... I know, look. Raymond's jealous. Oh, you see. Oh, is it a retriever? Is that a golden retriever? She is, yes.

She's gorgeous. She's a bit of a ladyy, and she's just been a, oh, oh, I know. She doesn't look too bad because she was in like a few minutes ago. She's gorgeous.

She's a bit multi, I'm afraid. No, she's absolutely stunning. We were just saying this is our favourite kind of dog. Well, she'll come under. What's her name? Maple. Maple. Oh, she looks like maple.

Oh, maple. Hello, darling. She's our second one. The first one was quite. I love Raymond but I think I do love Gordon retrieving. I just mind you because she is really fluffy so sorry. I've got a dog here you wouldn't know it because he... We've got one round here as well. Oh we now is it?

We? Oh I see. Look I've took them in. Oh Emily I feel like you're just going to live with us now. I'd love that. Feel like I'm going to. I've hit my room. What's wrong with you?

I'm moving it. I would genuinely move in with you. Why do you just make it like a half, like you know, when you can spend half? Oh, when you can spend half the time in London and half the time up here? Do you know I'm sitting stroking? Throughout this entire interview I've been sitting. Just with me nails, I'm just giving Raymond a little brush from his head down to his back. And when I stop, he scratches my leg. He doesn't.

Yeah. To do it again? Yeah. Watch. Do you know what? I've really trained him to be needy. No, you've trained him really well. He's a really well-behaved dog.

I want him to be needy. I want him to be dependent on me. No, that's good. Yeah. So he never leaves. That's like my children. I'm not having my children. I want my kids to be obsessed with us.

If our kids, day, try and move to New Zealand or any of that shit, I will hit the roof. No, I'm not having it. I'll say, well, you moved to New Zealand, but you're out of the will. Similar as that. I don't have kids to move halfway around the world. I never understand it when families, I used to have this with my sister, when she said, you know those weird siblings then?

That they'll see each other once at Christmas. Look, he's doing it? Are you close to your siblings? Massively. massively yeah we're nothing alike nothing alike

me and my sister couldn't be less alike but I love her she's the most important person in my life she's she's

she's a certain idea no I mean I mean family wise my mom I'm so lucky

I'm so so lucky and she's she's like your best friend that you know and she's my sister and my brother I'm so lucky

lucky, my brother's gorgeous as well. We've never, ever fallen out. My mom and dad would never let us fall out. That's one thing. The cities in a room together, wouldn't they? Yeah, I think it's really sad when siblings fall out. I can understand why, I know they can be very different, but my mom and dad would literally get us all together

and be like, this isn't happening. You are not falling out with your sibling. You'll make up right now and, yeah. But I just think we've got a nice love for each other, because when you grow... You're seeing it now with Robin and Rave because you never had a sibling. So I said to Chris, I was like,

I can't wait for you to see Robin and Rave together because Robin love Robin love Rave so much and Rave loves Robin so... They're obsessed with each other. So much. And there's a big... There's like five-year age gap, but they just love each other.

Like Robin speaks to Rath before he speaks to us in the morning. Oh yeah, in the morning. Does he? Literally just this morning, the kitchen door opened and I had Rave over on his little Mac play and Robin walked in and just went, Rief. I was like morning, son, he went rafy, and he just ran past us and I'm like, lush, it's just lush.

Now Chris is seeing what I've had. It's that language that unspoken language. I'm really sorry, I'm getting sad. Why? No, I know that you lost your sister. No, no, no, no. I'm getting sad. A really good friend of mine lost her sister. And I remember when a sister passed away that I went round and took flowers.

And I was like, I'm so sorry because I couldn't imagine losing my sister. I'm getting really sad. I'm so sorry. And I remember when her sister passed away that I just, I couldn't imagine. And what's really nice is that it's Natalie, my friend, she won't mind me saying, I don't think. She's always been so, whenever I put something on with me, my sister, she's all, like, on Instagram or whatever, she's always commented just in a really lovely way. I'm so sorry. I'm an emotional. Does he wrecked it as Chris's father's boots?

I know. I'm trying to avoid. I caught up with both in because I start crying as well. I've never felt like such a third weird in my life. God, what's happening? Can I tell you something? I hope it makes you feel better. I'd rather have that relationship

for the relatively, you know, half a life than a whole life of... Of not having that. A shit sister. I totally agree. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, no absolutely. So I do think, and actually I really like,

it's so sweet, you're such a compassionate kind of person. I am a bit of a... Does Rosie cry at things? Yeah. All the time. I cry all the time. Does Chris cry? I'm a cry.

Yeah. We're both. I think we're both... Is it empaths? Is that the word? You cry a lot? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does Chris cry at?

Oh, gosh. Oh, the kids, you cry all the time about the kids. Whereas I'm weirdly really strong about the boys. I'm really quite like, no, everything's fine. fine. You cry when anything not that anything bad happens but anything that might be slightly bad happens you always think of the worst

scenario and then you cry. Time is it time with Sean Bean? I would have watched the first two episodes because I lay in bed thinking what if my children go to prison. Not him? Not him the kids? What if my kids go to prison cry my eyes outlying in bed? I couldn't

I didn't sleep. No word of a lie I kept the final episode on the Skybox for three weeks It's so true I kept it on for three weeks And I kept going to Rosie It's right is the final episode Roy

Yeah it's better than the other two It's like you know It's not as bad And I was like You sure how do you promise About three weeks later I watched it Yeah

I get really I catastrophes And I take a thing And I go Because I thought of that thing That thing's gonna happen Unless I worry about the thing To stop it happening

Do you know what I mean So if I'm watching it And the idea pops in my head That the kids will go to prison When they're older And if I go If I go No they'll not

Do you know what I mean if I go out or not and I dismiss it, I feel like the will. But I feel like if I sort of... You're laughing. This is my life. My atonement for that to not happen is to sit and mourn about it happening and then it won't happen. So does Rosie sort of... She calms you down, essentially. Does she say it's all right, Chris?

We're going to get the flight. The kids aren't going to go to prison. She'll always shout at us. But yeah, she should calm us down. I think she just tells us to shut up. But either way it works. We have very different brains in that way. Yeah.

Chris catastrophizes and overthinks everything, whereas I don't, I don't do it. I'm quite level-headed, I think. Yeah, you're a lot more laid back, a lot more laid back, annoyingly saw sometimes. How does your anger manifest itself? I get quite by PMT. That's kind of the only time that I'm bad, really. I'm not an angry person. It's only PMT.

I was a joy when I was pregnant. What about Chris? What's he... So if Chris is pissed off with you? You're not a very... He's not an angry guy. He's not that kind of guy. He's not a shouting and lose your temper. We don't...

We don't argue much. Not really. And we kind of can tell that the other ones are a tear. I can tell when you're naft off because you do lose your temper, but it's very rare. It's very rare. And I think that's a good thing because he kind of makes me less. You know?

Do you think that's... because you share stuff and you always Lance Boyles, as it were, as you go. So what happens is that perhaps things get less toxic that way because you're constantly dealing with them. Absolutely. We always get emails from people for the podcast and they go, like, my husband's done this for 10 years and I can't bear it and you go,

what? 10 years? What? Yeah. I was within a couple of seconds, yeah. I ate an apple with a knife the other day trying it out for one time and Rosie turned around and said you're eating the apples like a pirate you need to stop it and she immediately

immediately you know what I really enjoyed I really enjoyed it oh he looked like a right pillow he stood at the bench like doing like peeling it off like a bloody pirate it was ridiculous

no but you know what you can't use it you can't use it you cannot get a knife and you're going to cut yourself I'll tell you what I thought he was well odd rank it came off really it was a really fun really at the apple I really enjoyed it and it doesn't do it a plate or a chopping board

it's a really good You looked like You looked like You looked like And I thought I can't do that It's just going to be hell on Yeah

I don't want We've cried already So I don't want to talk about again But I wanted to say something Which you don't have to talk about yet But I just thought it was brilliant That you were open About the experiences you'd gone through

With your miscarriage Because I think the reason I thought I don't know I was quite moved by it Just because it's quite unusual for men to talk about that I can imagine men would find it difficult To open up about that

Do you know what to me? Yeah. And it's such a shame. Yeah. Because we went through the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we already had a child who we loved dearly.

We thought we were having another child, both of us. Yeah. And then we found out we weren't it? And it was, it was bloody sad, wasn't it? Really sad. Really the weirdest, weirdest, weirdest, sad. When a family member dies or when someone's in an accident or something, it's more tangible for everyone, one else but losing a pregnancy before there's even been a photo over the scan

you know 12 weeks or whatever it was other people can't really get ahead you really do experience it alone you really experience it alone because it's not like oh I knew them or do you know what I mean or you know what I you know it's really weird do you know what it is even in those short weeks so we lost we found out at the 12 weeks at the 12 week scan so we had like a miscarriage and from I think we found out when I was four weeks pregnant. So you're talking eight weeks. And because it is second kids.

Yeah. You, eight weeks is a long time to think up a person. We really, you really think up that, what will they be? Oh, will they be a boy or a girl? Oh, what was you? And you really do think up this little person in your brain. And because we were already parents, and it doesn't matter if you're already parents or you're not,

you love your child, you want a child, you love a child, you love them unconditionally, it's really intense. And then when we got to the scan, obviously, there was no baby there. They'd passed away a little bit earlier. It's just really sad. Sometimes people think, oh, I'd leave them to it. And actually never leave them to it. Always check in and say any sort of loss, how are you going?

And is everything all right? That was that thing I learnt was never say, how are you? Say, how are you doing today? because how are you when you've gone through something difficult like that? It's overwhelming. Anyone who's dealing with anything really, how are you doing it today? Rather than how are you doing it to everyone. She's going to be like something at Balamori.

How are you today? What's the story in Balamori? How are you today? Hey! I've got some of the voice. Do you get her to sing to you, Chris? I try to get at a stop. He hates my singing.

I don't. I love... No, you don't. You hate, don't even, you can piss off, you hate my singing. Sometimes she will, there's a time in a place. Sometimes she will bell out into a short tune, she's in another room and I feel like she's being attacked. How way little dude, can you jump or do you want a hand, eh?

On it to the loom, then we walk up. I'll give you a hand. Chris, you really, you and Ray is really lovely to see. I love them. I've always, so I've always loved dogs. And dogs have always really liked me to be fair. Whenever I go to anyone's house, their dog is always all over us, and people always say, oh, he loves you or she loves you. But yeah.

Look at this. He's so canny. He's lovely man. Look, he's walking right next to us. I love a slack lead dog. See that? Yeah. He's not pulling on the lead.

He's slack. He looks like a Disney dog. He does. What do you think Robin and Ralph would love him? Or Robin would love a dog. Oh, well, we'll go home now. Robin will see him. Robin will see him.

Robin's going to see him. He'll be buzzing. Does he get tired when he walks? He's only got little legs. You've only got little legs. Do you have a trolley for him? Or a push-shy? Do you know?

Some people do have prams, but I think that really is a moment to look within yourself. I didn't want to see. The straight than left quicker or left than right? I don't know. Six and two, threes, isn't it? Up there might be quicker, you know. Oh, well, it's a bit of a hill.

I think you two would be such lovely parents to have. I think you'd give me roots and wings. Yeah. Robin's got a great tend to humour. Yeah. Root and wings is lovely. I've never heard that. Yeah.

That is nice. Root and wings is really nice. Sometimes you get it from one from one parent and one from the other. Who do you think would give the roots and who would be more likely to give the wings? Like, I think, from what you've told me already, I think Rosie might be more wings and Chris's roots because he's worried about them going to prison. Yeah. That sounds right, isn't it? You've nailed it.

You've really nailed it. Yeah. I was on the first. until you said that but I think you've nailed it. I think you're all right actually. Yeah. Yeah, you'll be like, you can do anything you want. Dream big, you can do anything you want to do

and I'll be like, just don't drink, drive. Watch this with Sean Bean in. Is that a Seen Bean? Sean Bean. You thought his name was Seen Bean. Is it not Seen Bean? No. You thought his name was Seen?

I don't know. It's spelled Seen. He's coming now, I'm sure, I think. of the O2. Oh yeah, I think so, I. He's from this part of the world, isn't it? Well, yeah. He's from Yorkshire.

All right, no. Three and miles away, Emily, come on. His wife, his wife, Ashley, is from South Shield. Oh, there you go, yeah. Look at this little Lord Fonteroy in my arms here. He's gorgeous, isn't he? Do you think, you two, I can imagine you'd always be working? You know what I mean?

Probably. There'll always be something, I think. You can never think about knock, can we? We can't have days off. No, we don't get days off, ever. We can't, but we can't. But we can't. We see we don't get days off,

and we yearn for days off, and then on a very odd occasion where we've got a day where there's literally nothing to do, we freak out. Yeah, yeah, we do actually. We can't relax. I know. We've got no way of relaxing.

It's so strange. If I sit on my PlayStation, I feel guilty. If we sit and watch Netflix, we feel guilty. But it's that thing. Do you remember when you're a teenager and your mom might not have work, but you get up at 6 o'clock in the morning? For no reason.

And you're like, why? You're up? And it's because you live a life getting up with that time all your life and then you don't know anything else. But is it also that Rob Beckett thing we were talking about of it might be taken away? I remember my friend. Sorry.

So at time of recording this we're walking up the hill back at our house. I didn't hear the question and I'll tell you why I didn't hear the question. Because you breathe. No, well, A, because I'm out of breath. But B, it's just dawned on us that if I walk in the house with Raymond in my arms, Robin's going to think we've bought my dog. Oh, shit. Oh, no.

And I just had a panic with, someone's going to have to walk in first. Ruzzi, maybe you, just say, our friend Emily's here, and she's brought a dog. But this is Chris catastrophizing. This is me catastrophizing, because I feel like I'm walking. He's going to go, yay, everyone's not yours. No, but even if he did, who gives a shit if he did? I don't want to get upset.

No, because he could walk in and go, oh, you bought a dog, and you go, no. And then you go, all right. You've got to, you've got to let children. experience emotions and you've never done that in your life. This is part of the problem. Like in my head, so I've catastrophized now, back with the prison thing, in my head, I've walked in with the dog and Robb's went, yay! And we've went, no, it's not your dog and he started crying his eyes out and he's inconsolable.

He's not even that kind of kid. No, he's not. But that's what's happened in my head. So do you fast forward mentally, Christa, him sitting in a therapist's office in Harley Street thing? And he will talk like this, obviously. He'll go, and then father brought the dog home. And that's really informed my entire life and why I've never worked or had relationships.

And I'm... I love that dog. And I was in prison for 30 years. I don't know what part of this fantasy he ended up in Harley Street, but I tell you, I'm not paying for that. Oh, look at those. Yeah.

They're lovely cows. Highland cows, I think. Yeah. Are they friendly? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't jump over the fence, but they're lovely. Would you store Cairland, Cows.

Hello. So we're going to go back to the house now. We've got Raymond. Chris, do you want me to hold Raymond so that Robin doesn't... Do you want Emily to hold Raymond? I'll hold Raymond. Not now, I've got him. I've got him for now. You can hold him when we get around.

Robin will not think that we've bought him a dog. Well... He won't. Okay. Is Chris quite control for him? Yeah. Here we go. We're nearly back at my house.

Have you got the keys Chris? Yes. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. We can go in here.

Look at Raymond. Come on Chris. Love and life. Here we go. We're back at the house. We are. Oh, I've loved our walk today. Have you enjoyed our walk?

I have absolutely loved it. I've laughed. I've cried. I've done everything. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's been lovely, really, really lovely. Raymond's knackered.

Look at him. I don't think he's done hills like that in his life. What do you say goodbye, Raymond? Goodbye, Rosie. Goodbye, gorgeous boy. Bye. I really hope you enjoyed listening to that. And do remember to rate, review and subscribe on iTunes.