Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Fin Taylor (Part Two)

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

In part two of Emily and Ray’s walk with the wonderful Fin Taylor, the chat turns to Fin’s brilliantly chaotic Fin vs The Internet series, including the unforgettable appearance of Bonnie Blue, and how moments like that have helped shape his career.They also get into the realities of modern comedy, from building and owning your own IP to how platforms like YouTube and Patreon have completely changed the game for comics trying to do things on their own terms.If you haven’t already, do go back and listen to part one. And if you want to see Fin live, his upcoming show The Fin Taylor Pre-emptive Comeback Special is touring later this year. Tickets and dates are available at https://www.livenation.co.uk.Follow Emily:Instagram X Walking The Dog is produced by Will NicholsMusic: Rich JarmanArtwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to part two of Walking the Dog with the wonderful Finn Taylor and his dog Winnie. If you want to go and see Finn Live in his upcoming tour the Finn Taylor preemptive comeback special, you can book your tickets now via livenation.co.uk. Really hope you enjoy part two of our walk and do give us a like and a follow so you can catch us every week. Here's Finn and Winnie and Ray Ray. Oh this is nice. Lovely isn't it? Oh there's some classic labs there.

What do you think of a classic lab? Yeah, I mean, I'd have loads of dogs. Would you? I want more dogs, yeah. Do you? My wife and I had a sort of agreement, at least I thought it was an agreement, that it would go dog, baby, dog, baby, and then dog first. But we've had two kids, and we've still only got one dog.

Do you think you'll get another one? Yeah, yeah, definitely. But now you've got all that lovely online, filthy Luca. You'll be getting all sorts. Drowning dogs, yeah. You'll be getting horses, maybe. What are the dogs that really rich people have? Well, there's really posh people.

Obviously, royalty, have corgis, don't know? But really rich people have sort of guard dogs, don't they? Yeah, I don't know. I want a golden doodle, that's what I want. Oh, I love you. Madfucker. Proper madfucker. Yeah, big, proper like dog-o, like, kind of bouncy. Yeah. After Edinburgh, you might,

must have realised where you get was that trajectory happening for you in terms of you know how it's meant to work is it's going to cost me a lot of money this I've probably went make money from Edinburgh itself yeah but I'll get exposure agents will see me I might get calls about yes so it was kind of trying out of have I got news for you etc it was kind of working that way although thinking about it now I just remember that when I when I submitted my plan to do white mate whiteface the agent I had at the time he we parted ways because he thought it was a bad idea and he thought you shouldn't call a show that you shouldn't do a show about that

and then that that obviously kind of was a big um hit adrenaline hit to my career and then I signed with another agent all these agents are all useless but I um yeah so but even then I'd like I'd kind of overruled my agent's opinion and just gone fuck it I think I'm right and I suppose I've there's that fear there's that kind of like fearlessness fuck off element but this is also stubbornness i suppose it's quite immature i guess if you view it that way just won't be told to do anything but it's difficult oh isn't it because if you want to create which you have gone on to do something slightly genre defining in you and people the kind of thing that people go wow this is so different or this is brilliant that you do have to be quite

single-minded and you might come across as a bit sometimes well the fact that it's worked means it doesn't look like impetuousness right yeah but it might be if it hadn't people might be saying he talked himself out of a career yeah of course yeah of course um so i'm very glad this worked i guess but then so yeah i did i did these edinburgh's and then you know did a lot of stuff of the back of that that i always thought was the sort of apex of that career so i went out and did melbourne comedy festival a few times went to new zealand Montreal i started to get on sort of the the twilight of the panel show age so you did have i got news did i got 10 cap was on the MASH report regularly.

How did you find those panel shows? Do you like them? Not especially. No, I wouldn't have said that at the time. But I think having now been in this reality where for four years I've been in charge of everything I've put out, I can really see why I was never in a rush to like, you know, have a watch party for me on, have I got news for you?

Or like my wife was always so excited. Like, oh, let's tell people you're on. and I was like, I don't know. Why? I wasn't in control of the edit. And also I was aware that I was fitting into their thing. And so I was not being as funny as I thought I could be. I was aware that I was sort of holding something back. And it does definitely, I think things like, have I got news for you, eight out of ten cats mock the week, they reward a certain type of very definite comic.

Yeah, I just think they're of an era, right? Yeah. of an era where I was slightly too late for. And who knows, maybe if everything had happened five years earlier. I have, you know, these are all my friends, but I have a feeling that like Ivo and Phil Wang were sort of like the last through the door, when Apollo meant something, they just got a hat out, Ian Jones hat under the door. And then when I did it in 2018 and it kind of felt like,

why am I doing this? felt like we were on like bebo you know and everyone was on ticot um so yeah i basically then covid happened and stand up just sort of stopped if you don't mind me saying was pretty good to you no it wasn't no this all happened after covid oh really so yeah uh everything ground till hall everything stopped so my wife and i just got married then about this is this is how did you mean with your wife along your girlfriend was she was she was girlfriend she was didn't go straight from stranger to wife very rare but did you outside of the middle east no we've been mates for since we were at uni oh I love

those ones and then and then I'd always had a crush on her those are these are my favourite stories yeah I had a crush on her the whole time everyone knew that I did she was sort of in denial slash ignoring it and then I basically it's a combination of me having more of my shit together and her biological clock screaming that meant, I finally wore her down. Was this what you said at the wedding speech? Not far off. Like a World War I general, I just wore her down with sheer persistence and numbers, so many dead.

And eventually we got drunk and got together and then quite quickly after that we got married because it was all fairly sort of obvious. Do you know, I mean this is, you know, this is what rom-coms, this is the plot of every, because we always have this show which is he was there under my nose. under my nose the entire time. Yes, yeah, I was. I did smell quite stark, so I'm not sure how she missed it. But you know what?

I've had that with, actually with a university friend, but we've been friends for about three years. And I remember him saying to me, look, he said to me Ronde, which one of us is going to break cover? Because it is quite nerve-wracking when you've been friends, it's mortifying if it goes wrong. Well, yeah, which one was going to break cover? What do you mean? Oh, nothing.

I don't know. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't know. Never mind. Anyway, so we just got married in October, 2019. Then my mother-in-law died sort of December. Yeah.

And then we went to, we got Winnie in February, just as COVID. Oh. Sort of like a, on the horizon. Yeah. And then we moved in with my father-in-law in March. Right. To help him grieve slash have a garden. Yeah.

I mean that's entirely untransactional and then you know what I'm calling that the perfect thin tail response yeah because I think you know see you know on the outside he'll joke but secretly I think he's donating to the orphanage yeah totally calmer you're like that man and the old black and white film no not in the oh winnie you're right actually it's not muddy you're right there's a bit of river down here come on and then in lockdown I just stand-up just stopped and and I and I wasn't I wasn't money and things yeah yeah yeah I wasn't on social media at all at this point I wasn't no it was all my wife's idea I I wasn't on it at all I thought it was I thought it was crass I thought it was tacky I thought

it was new money bullshit I thought I didn't like these people filming themselves on a comment what's it yeah I was very snobbish right the whole thing and what did you say come on wake up no so this is a bit this is fast-forwarding a bit So anyway, so in lockdown, I essentially was like, I've been trying to, maybe just before lockdown, I've been doing a lot of writing. Basically, I was like, okay, well, I'll just sort of, if I can't do any, if I can't do any live performance, I'll just sort of become an author. Yeah. So I just wrote, I just wrote and wrote and wrote, tried to teach myself how to write in a way that I liked. And then I won a short story competition that paid 10 grand, which was the only, which I bought my car with, the car that I still have.

and that was the only money I earned in lockdown. I got some support from Rishi. It was called the Mogford Prize. You had to write a short story about to do with food and drink. But I like that you did that. That shows a lot of that's kind of industrious that you got off your ass and did that. Yeah. Well, I anyway and then so, but then we had our first child just as the handbrake got taken off with COVID.

the daughter was born. And then suddenly I had a very visceral sense of like, even though I'd been sort of doing fine with all the TV and stuff, it was nowhere near the money needed to like support a family. Well, it wasn't reliable income either. Famously, and also with COVID, you know, the whole, none of it was reliable anymore. Yeah.

The idea that that paradigm could just shift and they could just shut the whole thing down, the whole sector down. Yeah. And it was always going to be the first. first to close and the last to open. So I, then I did, have I got news for you, and have a word, that podcast, in the space for a month. And the only thing that sold tickets, got, follows,

whatever was have a word. And I was like, oh, okay. So you could compare them life for life. Genuinely, and I was on the Mash report at the same time. And that was, admittedly, that I just moved today, but it did, it would do nothing. I could look to the graph, nothing. And then have a word, huge spike.

and I was like well clearly this is where comedy's going and also it's like my type of like a comedy that I feel more a part of than the Have I Want News for you once where it's like at a base level you're like I'm a 32 year old that's trying to make rye jokes with my dad's mates

like what the fuck am I doing like Paul Merton's making snide remarks about a dolphin in a bathtub or whatever and I'm 32 I'm like I'm I should be at the cutting edge of culture. And no disrespect to Ian Hislav who's a nice man in the world. But like, do you know what I mean? I just thought this isn't, I'm not going to find an audience this way of Rye Boomers. Do you know what I mean? Kind of anything worse. I've got to say,

you've just come up with a great format idea. Rye boomers. Oh, go, we just come out and go, Donald Trump's great for the New York Act, isn't it? Just garden party shite. Anyway, that was sort of the road to Damascus moment. And then I just was like, well, I have to make my own thing and then I started thinking about what would I want that thing to be I didn't really want to do a podcast so I didn't like the idea of it yeah being always on um so then I'm then I'm very lucky to have just um met Horatio and Victoria and we made and we just said this is Horatio Gul Victoria Angeloan who's been on this podcast yeah and I love he's an absolute slut for post that boy he goes he's great though I like you boys yeah I love you boys and what

you're up to I sound like Vi Craig don't I love I love my boys. Yeah. I'm so proud of my boys. I turn a blind eye to some of the blue stuff, but I love her. And Horatio... I like the courage, the stones. Her ratio will be coming on this podcast, because it's about time.

I love him. I'm going to make him. So we should say after that sort of slight, you know, Damascene moment in terms of, hang on, doing shows like have I got news for you, it's not even that helpful to me in terms of selling two. In terms of selling tickets and also my soul can't sing openly quite so much. I'm quoting directly from Earl Spencer's speech about the two boys. Right. Do you know when he said that?

He said she would want their soul to be allowed to sing openly. Yes. So I say that of my dogs. But yeah, I'm wondering, did you suddenly realise at that point? Okay. And is that how Finn versus the internet was born? Yeah, it was so it was that. It was also my wife saying you should be on social media,

why aren't you on social media? All the comedians are on it. So which was first? It's Instagram specifically or Finn versus the internet in terms of growth? Well, it's all the same right. In that Finn versus internet I was like I want to make a show that's for YouTube. I was also writing jokes for Uncle Roger, you know, Nigelung's character of the guy who gets angry when people can't cook egg fried rice properly. I was writing jokes for that. Because I'm a real fucking mercenary. I'll write for any for any accent I'll write. And I write it in the accent as well because that's how he reads it.

So anyway, a bit of fun. You know, you've got to have something for yourself with these projects. Anyway, I was like, I think I thought, well, I think he's, what he's done is actually more what I'd do is that he's built a thing on YouTube and all these, all these things, these platforms, you know, the content on them isn't, isn't symptomatic of like a culture. Like you don't have to just film yourself in your bedroom wearing a shit hat. You could just see that as a TV channel that you produce stuff for. Yeah. It's a system. It's not like a culture.

Right? So I was like, oh, I could make anything I want and put it on YouTube and clip it up. Because it doesn't have to be the stuff that I'm seeing. Because significantly, that's the thing about Finn versus the internet always felt like its own universe. It wasn't just exactly. you happened to be the person it was centered around but it felt like a universe in its own right partly to do with you know you can hear it feels like there's a group of friends making things making a project together there's a collective atmosphere then which is also what i think

people tap into and like yeah so when you've done i mean it's so great that show and it's done so phenomenally well. My favourites are William Hanson, etiquette expert. Yeah, yeah, he was great. He's the perfect guest though. Yeah. In that he knows why he seems funny. Right.

But he also didn't ever try and get in the way of what we were trying to do. Well, I was going to say, because if anyone hasn't seen it, obviously you're playing, I'm going to call it it's like a shadow self version of you. Yeah. It's not completely a made-up Alley-G character, but Young would call it your shadow self. My archetype.

Yeah, your archetype, that's it. Would you say that's fair enough? Yeah, I'd say I'm in a roll neck. If you can see my neck, then I'm me. And if you can't, then I'm that guy. And he's sort of, this character, who is you, but it's kind of not really you, he's got a brilliant, I mean, his clothes got more and more absurd. And he has a life on Mars, caramac brown jacket. Yeah.

But... In series three I'm wearing a real lesbian cheque, sort of plaid suit as well. Yes. But it's interesting because adopting that persona, that shadow self, obviously allows you to ask questions that you would never ask as yourself. Maybe you would actually, Finn, knowing you. Yeah. Yeah, maybe I would. And so with someone like William Hanson, you can be playful because he seems playful. Yes.

With someone like Jamie Lang again, I feel he understands it, doesn't he? Yeah, well, he came on as a fan. He's a massive fan, isn't he? Yeah, he was, and... And you're being sort of, like, brilliantly abusive to him saying, talking about how he doesn't work for a living and... Yeah, but what was so funny about that, and it gets, it's sort of an experience that happens every time we make it,

is that he comes on and he's like, I love the show, don't hold back, don't hold back, and I'm like, yeah, no, don't worry. And then I start, and you can see just the fucking cog turn, and he realizes, oh, the cameras are on me. Right. It's all my brand deals that are on the line. You mean Jamie's? Jamie, but anyone.

They always go, oh, yeah, don't hold back. And then they start, and then they go, oh, fuck. Yeah. I've been enjoying this as a fan. And now it's actually me in the ring, as it were. Yeah. You know. And do you find, because I know you have,

and you've talked about this before, you have an unusually low sort of, I guess you'd call it discomfort threshold. Sure. Sure. Do you think that's fair enough? Yeah, I can hold silence. I can't do it. No, it's your pod, isn't it?

I can't do it anymore. I found it really awkward. But I kind of loved it at the same time. But yeah, that's just again how you're built, I suppose, isn't it? Have you always been like that? I think so. Are you like that in real life outside of the pot? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm very, you know, I don't really go to parties and not, I can't, you know, I can't be doing with that, I can't be asked. The whole networking side of it, I really, I really just like making it for its own sake, you know. Yeah. As I get invited to all these things, I just think, fuck. Do you think that in itself is quite an old fashioned idea though? Definitely.

Networking. Like I feel it used to be, you know, oh, you better go to this party, you might be, you might commissioning editor of Channel 5 there, whereas now it's like well no, I just put it online. Channel 5 will come around your house. Please do something. Like now I don't need you Channel 5.

Do you know what I mean? I suppose that's why it's changed a bit now. Yeah, no, I don't know. I've always, maybe it's the the cold Presbyterian streak on my mother's side, but I don't really can't be can't be asked going to things like that.

Really? All that stuff, yeah. But I was never doing it to be in that, like, in the world. I wanted to just make this, I wanted to make stuff. I didn't, like, all the trimmings, all that stuff. I've never been fussed by, really. You didn't want to have parties with the great and the good there? No, no, absolutely not. Which is a shame because you missed out on a friendship with David Walliams,

but you can't have it all. Christ. This is your pod now. You can say anything. That's part, do you know, it's the most joyful feeling now? that. Isn't it? Isn't it amazing?

Isn't it brilliant? Why doesn't everyone do this? Well they are. What's amazing is they slowly are and I've realised. Well your generation are but my... They're catching up a bit some of my generation. I keep I see now like Ellis and John have just... They've done it haven't they?

They've gone to YouTube and Patreon and you think that was something that's... Maybe it's still connected to Five Live in some way but everyone is... And that's mad then I... Because I remember when I did it I felt like I was a late adopter because I was chasing have a word and those guys and they felt like I was like oh they're so ahead they're so they're in this new world and we've all got to catch up yeah and then there's like a slip stream behind I mean and now it looks like I was quite early well it feels like that shift that I remember because I used to work in newspapers and magazines and when that kind of digital change started happening you could just

see these people at old art directors and pictures that have been there for years going I'm not changing this is ridiculous and you're like yeah good luck yeah because it was it really you know that's when I was like I'm getting out I'm doing podcasts and this is back in 2017 everyone was like podcasts yeah but I want to get back to you and we're talking about Finn versus the internet and we need to talk about Bonnie Blue do we well we do I think do you know sure because was she how much was she in on it How much did she get it, do you think? Well, those are two different questions.

Okay, we'll answer them both. Well, she knew what she was coming to. Yes. And I don't necessarily think, I mean, look, I wasn't necessarily that keen on doing it. We had a penciled in because we've done Paul and stars before. You did a couple. A few only fans. Yeah.

And they're not the most. enlightening conversations although Rebecca Goodwin was a lot of fun and a very funny woman in her own right yeah and I'll stand by her I think she she got it and was a lot of fun but basically we were sort of we were booking we had her pencilled and then I was like nah I don't know if I could be bothered and then in the time between pencilling and then the recording date's approaching she became so mainstream she like my parents were asking about her so I was like fuck we got to eat and that's what we've got to do it and then I thought even if there is a hint of

if she can laugh at just the fucking scale it's so far it's absurd like if she can step outside herself a tiny bit and laugh at the absurdity of what she's done I thought it would we'd you know we'd um but you know we'd hate ourselves if we'd turn it down basically anyway um she didn't really do that um Because I think to be fair to her, she exists in this ecosystem where she's just constantly being shouted at by men and women for being the worst thing to both. Yeah. And so she has this defence mechanism, which doesn't really help the show. I kept willing her to sort of laugh.

Yeah. You know, because I thought, well, that's such a great space to be. But it's also the best thing about that show is when people go on it and people see these people who can think that, oh I hate that person and then they see them laugh for themselves like M dot you know M dot yeah people people in the comments and Chris Williamson as well I was just going to mention Chris Williamson where people like oh fair play this guy can laugh at himself well I hated him before the Chris Williamson one because we should say he's sort of one of those he's a bit Stephen Bartlett universe but he's more sort of online sort of self-help guru manosphere self-help kind of

yeah but I mean it's huge I mean I know I know lovely bloke yeah well what was interesting though is a lot of the stuff you were saying like they had they're the in sterling voice over which was brilliant and you're saying this week millionaire men talk about being sad and things like that but he really did he really came across brilliantly in that because he was laughing at himself and his demographic in a way you know with bonnie blue yeah it just felt like Like I say, I just wish, I don't know, maybe she, the reason she wasn't laughing is maybe that's just not how she's built. Yeah, maybe it's that. Maybe it's some kind of latent autism or maybe she's aware that she's not selling wholesome who can laugh at themselves. She's selling the opposite of that.

She's not selling like me, is she? No, she's selling, watch me, gosh off a series of men who look like IRA guys taking the bins out. which isn't... With, can I say, England supporter white socks? They've always got those, you know, you see them at the bottom and they've got those sliders, ball sliders. But do, it's difficult for you in that, because I can see though, you don't feel, at any point during that interview with her, for example,

if she leans into that and laughs, there's that relief, I imagine, for you, because you'll think, great like with Jamie Lang this is how I want it to go yeah whereas that is more difficult I imagine when someone's a bit stony-faced and you're thinking well is she yeah listen I mean the show the show kind of works the people watch the show and they like some people really like the Eric Andre sort of awkwardness yeah cringe element whereas other people and I'm including myself in this prefer the show when the guest plays along and laughs and you can see them having a good time

yeah And you can see them treating it like a theme part ride where they're constantly second-guessing their reaction to everything. What did she say to you afterwards? Did she say, oh, I enjoyed that all? Just thanks. You know, on to the next series of Cox, I don't know. I didn't ask her about the specificities of her diary. But imagine she had places to be.

People to fuck off. Oh, my God. But, you know, the sort of beautiful pain of that show is that it's there's so much front end. Like we spend so long writing these jokes and these stunts and trying to perfect them because we know we basically only have one take. And then we have this guest for, if we're lucky, two and a half hours. We've got to get everything we think is funny about them and their world at them. And yet we're at the matter how much. work we do we're completely at the mercy of how they choose to respond as to how

as to what kind of episode it is yeah so and are you're still doing those things yeah we are we're making some soon but it's but they're a big production I imagine it's like and they get they get bigger they don't make money because any money we have we put into making it really really stupid even bigger yeah because the production values look like a sort of chat show well it's all it's all Pete who my business partner who's the exec on it who I mean he's CGI's that entire world it's all done on green screen so that's all him so is he quite techie then yeah he's got he used to work in BFX and stuff oh he's good so me and him now run our production company which makes that

and the and the history pod and hopefully some new things but but yeah the the problem is is that now me Eresha and Victoria are also busy and the guests are we we guess we want you know we want we want we want big guests of course the guests that we're really excited about they're so busy So it is like a sort of solar eclipse trying to line everyone up. But we are... But you'd rather hang on for a couple of months and make a great one with a good booking than... Yeah, I think so, because it's so much work.

And now the podcast is doing so well, it's not work that we like... Well, I want to talk about the podcast. Yeah. Because this is this brilliant podcast you've launched with Horatio, Gould. Finn versus History. Yeah. And in it, I mean, I love it. I've been listening.

One of my favourites is you guys talking. at Cleopatra which I think was a few weeks. That was, yeah, that was a few months ago, yeah. Yeah, a few months ago maybe. But you also, you come at things from such a brilliantly surreal premise and a kind of fabulously disrespectful premise as well. Yes. Yeah.

Why did you guys decide to do that? Was that just something you'd always? So when we started, we started a Patreon for Finn versus the internet in January, come on 2024. Come on, Ray. And we basically, it was difficult because we started this Patreon where we were charging people money but we couldn't make the show until they gave us the money to make it. Because internet had such high production values at that point. Because we'd been lucky that we had some money from a brand for a couple of years.

This mad whiskey company. And then we were really getting away. we were really getting away with it, I think, and then... Anyway, so we transitioned to being audience funded. I put my sunglasses. This podcast has been phenomenally successful, hasn't it? Yes, it's crazy. It's absolutely mad.

And even you must be slightly surprised by how much it's taken on. I'm completely surprised by it. Are you? Yes, completely. I genuinely, we set it up... Well, firstly, so we've done these sort of pilot episodes on the Patreon because we used to do a regular podcast, the three of us. Yeah.

And there were these weeks where Victoria was away touring and Horatia and I would just talk about history because that's all we kind of had to say to each other. And then the response was really good. And then it was getting to a point where I've been on tour all year and needed some, wanted to make some money from something that wasn't touring or just doing the circuit. As I said, the internet doesn't really make money.

So, I was just hoping that I could maybe take like a bit of money from the patron every month and then I don't have to work two weekends a month, you know. But within about three or four months I was like, I don't have to do stand-up ever again if this carries on. That's great, though, I had no idea a podcast could be this successful. Yeah. Particularly one.

And is that a success coming from the subscription, the YouTube, or? the advertising revenue or? Oh, there's very little advertising revenue. Right. Well, you've listened to it? I have listened to it. That's the odd thing. I've also seen both your faces when I, when I say something.

You're clearly mind mapping how the fuck you're going to get more than 10 minutes out of this episode. You're both chickens. But yeah, no, we don't, it's, it's a Spotify video was very helpful for us. That brought you at the right time. Right. And then also the Patreon numbers are just mad. We're now the biggest in the UK. And, yeah, I mean, it's so fun to do.

It's such a, you know, the fact that we do a podcast in suits, I still find funny. Yes, I like that. I find funny that, like, Americans watch it and think that's what a British person thinks a podcast is. I find that funny. Well, I think they watch it and think that's all right. Okay, that's Britain, yeah.

Yeah, that seems all in order. And we've stumbled upon. this sort of format where we can basically talk about anything. But what I like is also you go into kind of social history and I mean you'll do Freud or something. Yeah, that was fast. I love that. Yeah, I love that as well. That's one of my favour. Yeah. But also you do have a history degree. I do. Yeah. So you know your onions and I think often with this kind of thing, it's actually funnier when there is some knowledge base involved. Well, I think it, I think, I think some a random person saying I'm doing a history podcast. I don't know. I don't think I'd be so keen to listen.

No, I think it is a, it is a very compelling blend of like highbrow lowbrow. Yeah, I do. It's two fucking snotty comedy writers who also know a lot about history. Does Horatio, is that his background as well? I think he's studied film, but he's like a, he's just a sort of, yeah, you can tell. He's a shed obsessive. He's a real obsessive. So, um, It, yeah, we can't ever really get through a proper point or maintain a sort of conversation without sort of resorting to just kind of school yard. I was going to say, fannies will come up. Fanny's? Yeah.

Yes, yes, to put it mildly. You know, it's like it's horrible histories for guys in their 30s who still live with their mum. I mean, that's what it is, really. Yes. But yeah, I just had no idea it would punch through. That's not why I started it. I mean, I just started it because it was like fun and it was, I like making things and it just always felt good.

You know, it's what I was saying earlier. I just sort of had a good feeling about it. It's the kind of thing I think I'd want to listen to. Well, I really enjoy listening to it. Well, thanks, yeah. I was going to mention as well, we can't let you go without discussing your tour because I love your live stuff so much Finn and I recommend everyone you can see a lot of your shows are actually your stand-up is on YouTube yes and ask your

mother that's the most recent one yeah thank you so much thanks yeah I really recommend watching that and you've now got you're going on tour again aren't you this is the preemptive comeback special preemptive comeback special it will be I'll be on tour for the next chunk I mean like possibly even two years but this two years yeah what does your wife say um well yeah I mean that that was that was a whole conversation but they're big rooms so there's a there's the revenue is going to look healthy wow those big rooms could lead to separate rooms they could they could they could um big room separate beds that's the career that's the career

It's the tax of being married to live performers, isn't it, sometimes? So it's the first tranche of UK dates. UK and Ireland are all on sale. And I think we've added a second... You did two at the Apollo? A second show. Wow. Second show has hit the Apollo.

So you sold out one? Yeah. That must be a great feeling. And you did all of that without having to put up with Paul Martin. I know. I know. How does it feel? It feels great actually.

It is a joy that you're doing, you know exactly why they're there and what they're coming for and that is something I realised that comics before maybe didn't have a sense of as clearly as my generation do and that you really know you're much more engaged with who's coming to see you. Well you are representative and I do, I wonder, I think it must be quite inspiring for, you know, younger comics even than you. Because you represent the Taylor Swift own your own masters approach to comedy.

Sure. I don't know how you feel about that. It might be similar to when I said to Ricky Jervais that the office was his hit me baby one more time. Hmm. Oh, she's doing a poo. That's a wee. Come on.

I can't tell. Is that because Raymond's such a ball of fluff that he's like one of those street cleaners and you can't really see what's going in or out? He's like the quick. Queen, he doesn't do that. I see right. So, well, I'm sure this show will be absolutely brilliant.

I'm definitely going to come and see it because I really am a huge fan of your lifework. Thank you. And I kind of like, I suppose as someone who would consider myself probably kind of the group that sometimes you skewer a bit, who's the slightly anxious left wing person. Yes. And you do a brilliant bit in your... your last show about which it kind of was a typical example of when I think comedy's really great because it really made me laugh but I kept thinking about it for day

me think as well well shut up it did you know what I like about you look at these eyes look at the eyes gorgeous eyes I'm still carrying your dog I know but I like that right okay but I tell you what it was when you said um right wing people have much happier lives yes yeah because they're not constantly thinking It's just the right thing to be doing. There's no guilt. No. If they don't give to charity, they don't care.

Clarkson's mental health perfect score. Skin care, that's another issue. But you were right. They lead less stress. That's why bad people live longer, I generally think. Everything in one bin. Fuck it. Next.

I'm not washing out jar of peanut butter at midnight. And if they see a homeless person, they think, oh, well, it's on drugs. His fault. It's just a much, it is mental health mechanism. being that disengaged from other people's desires. Yeah. So also, and that means if you just think,

but if your tax evasion or avoidance, you just think, oh, that's fair enough. Well, it's my money. It's my money. I earned it. Right, I mean, yeah, it's... Is that what they, that's what they think. Maybe else avoid for, I mean, I don't know.

Finn, I've loved our walk. And before I let you go, I need to let people into a little secret, was that I first had my first proper encounter with Finn. I'd seen him live before, but at my friend Pierre's wedding, only recently, you remember this Finn, don't you? Yeah, this was just a couple months ago. A terrific wedding, it must be said.

It's Pianna Belli's wedding. One of the best weddings up in. It was a wonderful stylist, Catherine Ryan's stylist, Jen, had McKelsky Bray. She'd lent me this wonderful dress, hugely expensive, where several thousand pounds, I dropped one of the buttons. There wasn't just any button.

I think it was like Shorovsky Crystal. I said, I've lost my button and you got your torch calmly. I didn't even know you. No. And you were down on the floor, underneath the table. Yeah. You just calmly brought it up. And I thought, I like that man's energy.

Where I belong on the floor. Picking up shit for other people. Thank you for that. You saved my life. Finn, I have loved our walk. And I'm definitely, we're going to come and see you on tour. I might sneak Raymond in. Why not?

You can do that. Have you liked meeting Raymond? Yes, he's been a delight. I don't meet many dogs like this, so he's very cute. Terrific mustache as well. He's got a World War I general's mustache. I haven't talked about that enough. He has.

And I definitely think he'd be a bit racist and... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever AI is able to crack into that head, some awful stuff coming out. Slurs you didn't even know existed. How long would it take Raymond to be cancelled? Not wrong. No, a couple of sentences.

Well, I've absolutely loved Winnie. Raymond would still call it Kenya. Do you know what I mean? Raymond would still call it Rhodesia. Yeah, he would. He would. And he'd want to go there. I'll remember the days.

Winnie, I love meeting you too. I adore Winnie. She's good fun. And we think you're fabulous. Thank you so much. Would you say goodbye to Raymond Win? I just called Finn Wynn. That's all right.

Does your wife ever do that? No. No. That's my special thing. Say goodbye. Very good to meet you. Very esteemed. I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog.

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