Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Gary Lineker

Episode Date: July 21, 2017

Emily visits England legend, TV supremo and all round national treasure Gary Lineker at his home in London to take his Yellow Labrador Snoop out for a walk. He talks about what makes him cry, why he doesn't want to go on Question Time, his friendship with ex-wife Danielle and what it really feels like to take a penalty for England. Dog tip: be the person your dog thinks you are. That’s someone who spends all day picking up poo! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do you want to go? Walkies? Yes, of course you do. You always do. Hi, I'm Emily Dean and this is Walking the Dog season two. This time, it's personal. I really hope you've been enjoying the show. It'd be so nice to get your feedback.

So can you please rate and review on iTunes and subscribe if you want to hear more of them? So this week, I went out with Gary Linneker and his gorgeous yellow Labrador Snoop. Snoop Dog, get it? He hasn't just scored four. 48 goals for England, you know, even wins at puns. He's really excited.

Yeah, he loves it. Come on, Snoop. Come on, boy. It's raining though. Okay, you've got the umbrella? Got the umbrella. Yeah. Snoop's got his own umbrella.

Let's go. Snoop, wait for us. He will. Snoop. I might need his lead, actually. Oh yeah. Get Snoop's leave? I got the poop bag.

Get the poo bag. That's really terrible, isn't it, if you don't have the poo bag? I got one of the poo bag. I should say I haven't even introduced you Gary I'm so excited yes I mean you don't really need any introduction do you well I do on radio okay that's true

well your voice is I mean most people know it by now yes that East Midlands drone it's alright all dogs pee no I know but it was quite early on in the proceedings oh there'll be many multiple P's I'm just saying Gary it was very early on in the date to be cocking his leg like that

he's very forward I'm with Gary Linnaker You may have guessed by now. This is Walking the Dog. I'm Emily Dean. I'm with Gary, Winston, Linaker. To give him his phone name. Thank you.

I like Winston. I wish I'd been called Winston, not Gary. Really? It's a good name, isn't it? Good name for headlines and stuff, not Gary. Was it, were you named after Winston Churchill? Yeah, same birthday. Who born on the same day?

Different year. But yes, 30th of November. And why do you think your parents went for Gary? I think it was after Gary Coo. Oh that's quite blackness. Well yeah. So talk us through where we are. We're with you, we're with you, obviously,

but we're with your lovely dog Snoop. I think he looks like a golden Labrador or a retriever. Yellow Labrador, I think they call them. Yellow Labrador? Yeah, he's great. He's now, he's nearly nine. Oh, is he? Yeah, he's my best mate.

Look at him. Is he? Never answers back. How many walks a day do you take him for? If, oh, it varies. At least two. sometimes three. Okay. Yeah.

And I should say we don't need to be too specific about where we are in case. No, we're in a common in South West London. Yeah, okay. And is this where you're taking for the walk all the time? Yeah, because it's easy. It's right near the front door. And why did you buy Snoop then? I didn't buy him.

I thought a bit like that. It's like an item of clothing. Why did you buy that dog? Well, I never thought it was a purchase. But it supposedly did cost. a few quaid away back. We just wanted a dog at the time, like dogs.

Yeah. And why Snoop? I don't know. He kind of fancied a little lab and went down to the South Coast and found him and we took him back when he was eight weeks old and he went...

Where's he going? Well, he took him and he was carcic all the way back. Oh, no. It was terrible. He's in a right state. Did you have a wise remorse? A little bit. We thought, oh, we've picked that one. He was carcic for a few years.

Then he gradually grew out of that, although he's still a little bit wobbly in a car. He doesn't like travelling too much. So was there an element of you? Was it a slight... Because you were kind of blending two families in a way, weren't you? So do you think there was an element of, oh, this would be nice kind of thing to do

when you've got young kids and stuff as well? I think for the young kids in particular, I don't think it's a deliberate ploy to kind of merge the families together in any way, shape or form. But, yeah, the kids are... loved dogs and. And did you have dogs when you were growing up? No, I had cats, funnily enough. My mum liked

cats. So I had about four cats. This is in Leicester and this is Margaret, your mum, wasn't it? Margaret, yes. And Barry? Yep, my dad, Barry, yeah. So tell me about your cats then? Oh, I wish I could remember. It was about 50 years ago. I remember

we named three of them after characters of Jungle Book. I think it was Moogley. This is testing me. Ballou. and Begira and the other cat was called this was my favourite cat because he had an extra

like not poor but you know the bits on the end of paws whatever they called this weird thing that makes him feel a bit sick he had an extra one and I called him Jason why was he called Jason because I was just being an idiot

so did you like the cat I like a cat but Jason went missing once and never saw him again and I was really cut up about it and I used to go looking for him Really? Yeah.

Stuck in my memory. In fact, I just got over it until he just mentioned it. I've got this real image of you running around in a sort of football kit. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. Jason, Jason. Yeah, that was exactly it. Oh, he's pooing. Doing what he does.

Have you got the plastic bags, Gary? I've got a poo bag. Yeah, of course. Yes. I've got a really small Shih Tzu. He's just doing a small Shih Tzu. You line me up beautiful. You were like Peter B.

Then it's one of those cushy ones. I hate those, don't you? I hate doing this. It always makes me gag. Here we go. There you go. Evidence that I pick up my dog poo. Oh, it's green. Wow. That's a bad colour, Snoop. What have you been eating? Snoop, that's really... I'm not done that very well. That was like Simpson's yellow. Yeah. Problem is it? I've got a bit on the handle. Okay, do you want me to help you with a poo? Are you good at that? Sure. I'm quite good at that normally. I mean, as I say, the Shih Tzu doesn't, ironically, doesn't seem to... It's just been over there anyway You know what? This is like a 45-year-old adult male has gone to the bathroom.

Are we going to walk with this for the whole time? No, there's a bend somewhere. Okay. Snoop. I don't remember where it is. Do you think there's one near here? It's a bit pongy, isn't it? It's a bit smelly.

I've got a plan here. What are you going to do? Tire it without touching the bit that... There's a bit of poo on it? Yeah, because it was so... Anyway, this is lovely, lovely subject. Why don't I carry it? It's okay, I've got it.

Snoke. You've brought deep disgrace on the Linneka family. So you got the cats, named after the jungle book. Yeah. Got Barry and Margaret. And Barry had a stall. Is that right? Like a market store?

My dad's, yes, Frutra on Leicester Market, which was the biggest outdoor market. Yeah. In, I think in Europe at the time. I don't know whether that's still the case. It's still going. But it was kind of long a standard. established very small family business. Fruit store.

He used to get up four or five in the morning and buy all his stock, take it, sell it all day and then come home and do his bookwork at night, then collapse on the sofa. And when he wasn't working, he was either fishing or playing cards. So did you have a sense growing up? Because you strike me as someone

with an incredibly strong work ethic. Did you have a sense of him being like that when you were growing up? Yeah, he worked all hours, sends really so I suppose it had its influence on me yeah um subconsciously what did you mean subconscious well I didn't you know I don't think about it when I was young but I think it rubbed off were you academic not particularly I was so obsessed with sport that I didn't really like school very much except after school and I could you know stay on and play football or cricket

in the summer yeah so even though I was reasonably bright and did okay without working as hard as I should probably have done. I think my last report was something like he just needs, he's focused he's way too much on football. He's never going to earn a living at that or something.

I like that. No, but I tell you I like that because it's like the Gary Linneka story. That's the thing that I would imagine. Which are we going to go? I'm going to turn your left here because I know there's a bin down at the end. You're turning everyone left on Twitter, but that's another story. I'm not even lefty.

Not really. You are lefty. No, I'm a bit, I'm left of centre. But I think everyone now gets bracketed, don't they? They're either right-wing fascists or lefty, lefty, lovey, whatever they want to call it. And you were called meister? Not particularly.

I felt a little bit sort of, I don't know, what's the way to say? I think politically, I don't think in the last election, I find it very difficult, probably like a lot of people, to know who to vote for. Because my politics is really kind of not that far left and certainly not right. Are you prepared to say how you voted? Nah.

I'll say that for you do. I get enough rubbish as it is. Okay. But I think people probably work it out for themselves. Okay. Well, I'm saying Labor. Yeah. Okay.

You just said it. This is like for Ross Nixon. I voted strategically. I mean, it's hardly the exclusive of the year. Garolinicka votes Labour. I didn't. I might not have done. Did you feel a bit sorry for Theresa May now? Not really.

You want to put yourself in a position to be a prime minister and have the ambition and to do a job that you're going to get a stick, aren't you? It's like being the England football manager. It's probably the only worst job, isn't it? You're generally going to upset a lot of people a lot of the time. What would you rather be, England manager or Prime Minister? Neither really, but I think I'm probably better equipped to be England manager than I would be, to be Prime Minister.

Okay. Yeah, I'm not, you know, I don't profess to be particularly knowledgeable when it comes to lots of different aspects of politics. There are certain areas... I don't you say that, but a lot of people say that you should go into politics now. Yeah, but... well a lot of people do say that and they've said it to me but but i don't see why just because i've it's another dog yes snoop has just he's all right he's he's right he's right he's all right he's

he's right he's right he's all right he's like he stalks snoop does he stalks like a like he's a lion hello hi hi he's not a bad heart so oh right he's all right he's very soft and gentle nowadays she's like grumpy i think because she can't yeah i don't normally keep her on the lead but she to be on the lead now. No running. Oh, well. Shame, isn't it? Yeah.

She's not very old. She hates being on the lead. Off the lead. I know. That's like Gary. That's why we've let him off it today. He's not old either. I'm on the lead.

There you go. It's all friendly around here, you see. Nice people. Do you get sort of people a little bit starstruck whenever they come across to you? Do you know what? People notice. me all the time and it's something I get used to. In fact it's so normal that I don't really notice it so much. People with me notice it far more than I do. Yeah. They'll go, oh, look at the way

they look at you. Then they start whispering as they walk away. Yeah. And, you know, obviously everyone wants a selfie now and stuff like that. But it's so normal. It's been like that for so long. Pretty much most of your life. People, you know, people are always pleasant. Not on Twitter, they're not. and people get very enraged at times but in public I've never had any kind of particular malice whatsoever apart from when I was a footballer obviously you've got plenty of them

I was going to say you get that much more then don't you yeah so I want to go back to when you were growing up in Leicester so your dad's getting up early at the market and are you helping out occasionally young Gary yeah I did a little bit when I was kind of in the summer holidays Christmas when he was really busy. Did you think you'd do that? No, I thought that's what put me off.

Why? Just such hard work. Getting up 4 o'clock in the morning. Working all day until about 6 o'clock at night. So what did you think you'd do? Well, I always thought and hoped, that I would be either a footballer or a cricketer. And I always thought that if I didn't make it,

then perhaps I'd be a sports journalist, which is I guess what happens to most sports journalists that probably give up on being any good at sport so I was kind of that was where I was pretty focused on going and I was actually thought I'd be more likely to be a cricketer than a footballer because I felt like I was a bit better when I was younger because I wasn't an early, I wasn't obviously brilliant at an early age

I was going to say what happened when did they realise that you were talented then Well, I got picked up by Lester at when I was 12 Which is a lot later than it is now I was very quick and I kept scoring goals When I was a kid right through And then I had a trial with Lester when I was 16 And I got in And... Do you remember that'd be really thrilled?

Oh God, yeah, and surprise to be honest Yeah And it's every level that I reached in football So I kept thinking would find me out I remember getting into Leicester's reserves for the first time. And I was sitting around players that I'd watched when I was a bit younger. Yeah. And I thought, what am I doing here?

And, you know, I played and I still managed to score goals. And then all of a sudden I found myself in Leicester's first team. I was about 18, 19. And again, I was sitting in the same room as my heroes. Yeah. Rather than clean up their kit, which I'd done for the previous few years. But it just kind of, kind of coats with whatever level I've reached. And even with England, when I remember getting the phone,

I got a phone call at home from Gordon Milne, who was the then-Lester manager. Yeah. He's saying, he said, when is this? This is like, I was 24. I wasn't like Michael Owen or Rooney or any of these child superstars. I was 24. So I got a call, and it's Gordon Milne on the phone. He said, pack yourself a toothbrush.

Come into the club and grab your football boots. He said, you've got to get yourself up to Wrexham. You've been a late call-up. Someone had pulled out the squad. For the England squad? For the England squad? And this was the A team, not the B team. No, this was the England squad.

I'd never played in any under 21s, any anything. But I had started scoring quite a lot of goals for Leicester. So I remember driving up and I'd... When you're living at home at the time? Yeah, I was still my parents. So what are your parents doing that happens? I don't have any money then. It's not like now.

How much did you earn? I was 25. I was on 400 quid a week. Which, it seemed all right to me. But, you know, a bit different to what it is now. Should we put the umbrella up, Gary? Yeah, it's trying to rain, isn't it? Snoop, we're going to have the umbrella.

It's nearly 400 grand a week now. But anyway. But relatively speaking, it's still not that much. No, but it was all right. It works. Yeah. No, it wasn't that much, but that wasn't, you know, I just love playing.

Anyway, so I drive up to Wrexham and pull in the car park and there's, you know, there's people like Trevor Francis and Peter Shelton, who was my childhood hero. and all these superstars and I just thought, what am I doing here?

And I didn't get on in that particular game. He left me on the bench. Mark Hughes scored a cracker that day, I remember. But that's interesting that you, even you, felt imposter syndrome, I believe they call it. Yeah, a little bit. I was a late developer. I think it was a good couple of years before

I actually kind of believed that I could play at that level. level and do well and become confident in my own ability. I think it's probably the World Cup in 86. That was your big tournament, wasn't it? That was the life change. It was a life change. I mean, I'd already gone to Everton.

And I'd won two successive golden boots with Leicester, then Everton. But, you know, to do it on the world stage against the great players of the world, and to kind of win the golden boot was just beyond the dream. the only person thought I'd do that with my dad. He had 14 to 1. He backed me at to be top scorer. And so tell me what that's like when that, after that tournament. You say it's a life changer.

In what way did your life change? Fame levels obviously changed massively. Suddenly I was not just recognised, you know, in Liverpool and Leicester. That was recognised right throughout the world. But Barcelona came in. They bought me. All of a sudden I was playing for the biggest clubs in the world. So you're earning a lot more money?

I was earning a lot more money. Nice of cars, nice of life, nicer holidays. Yeah. But what interests me about that, and actually skipping forward to kind of 1990, really, I think if you look at you and someone like Paul Gascoigne, you were probably as famous as each other at that time, weren't you? You were sort of two of England's biggest stars. And it interests me that your ability to handle fame and that level of attention.

Why is that? Why are you kind of okay and why did you not? We're all different people. I think one of the other massive difference between the two of us, he's got far more natural talent than I had. He was an unbelievably gifted, brilliant, wonderful footballer. I was kind of more thought-driven. I kind of worked out the process.

Yes, I was incredibly quick, but I didn't have a great touch. I couldn't, you know, I couldn't drivel past you now. not known sort of your defensive abilities Emily but I couldn't I was not my game I could knock it and run past someone occasionally that was the best but but I kind of worked out how to do things and I kind of manipulated things

and I knew about movement so we were different animals in all sorts of aspects both on and off the pitch which way now going to go we can go this way under trees less rain so you were saying you and Paul were kind of You and Paul Gasco were just different. We're different creatures, yeah.

I mean, we got on really well. But football was his entire life, really, in many ways. He likes a bit of fun and stuff. But he had, you could see it back then. You know, he had issues. He had, you know, vulnerabilities. He had, you know, addictive personality. So, you know, it's been tough for him.

But you go in different ways, don't you? I was given a mental resilience. when you say you were given it by who well I don't know I was born with it you're one of the most famous people in the country but you also seem to handle it in a unique way and I'm interested as to why and how that is

and is that to do with your parents is that to do with you? Well they say most things have come from the parents don't you in genetics etc both my parents were I mean my dad could be a bit fiery and my brother's entirely the opposite to me but so

so who knows really how much the influence comes down. My grandparents was a big influence on me, my grandfather, I should say. And then I don't know

if we all understood why and how and, you know, psychiatrists would never have a job. Well, yeah, but do you go to, have you ever been to a psychiatrist? I may have been. Wait, this way, let's get away from the road. Come on. We'll go back down here

from it. Yeah. So that means, yeah. Well, you've got to try everything, aren't you? And how did you find it? I find it all right. I quite like, yeah, it's quite nice to talk to someone. Because I go and I really like it. I have a therapist.

Yeah, I'd recommend it to anyone, really. Would you? Yeah, because we all have, you know, wherever we are, we have ups and downs in life, don't we? And if you, you know, if it's open to you and you get the right person, and I think it's... Like, I think it's brilliant that you said that. But I think it's amazing that you said that.

We have to toughen up, don't we? Yeah. You know, we seem to be, you know, can't show weakness. But I think we're all, we all have our concerns and our worries and our fears. What are your concerns? What keeps you up at night? It's not so much fears with me. I'm not very, you know, I don't like confrontation, which and stuff, only with people that count, not talking about social media here.

Because that's a different bad. Well, we don't, well, arguing about a football thing. I don't, I suppose I don't like letting people down, stuff like that really. That's probably my one kind of area where I find it difficult. Do you cry? Oh yeah, I can cry. I can cry. I'm nearly crying now I'm talking about it.

No, yeah. When did you last cry? I'm a bit of a softy. Oh, I cried on the plane terribly. What movie was it when I came, I just came back from New York. What did I watch? Um, terribly, oh, that lion. You seen that?

No, is it sad? Oh, well, it's not so much, it's not actually that sad in a way. Some of it is, but it's very, yeah, very kind of a motive I found. That's good. Highly recommended. So you, I have this really poignant image of you sitting there. I'm assuming you turn left on the plane, Gary. No, I didn't actually.

I was turned right. It wasn't, yeah. Did you? Yeah, it wasn't economy, but it was, it was, it was, well, business. I was in business. Yeah. Sitting there sobbing. Yeah. I know. I was. I do that a lot.

Do you think, I don't know where this, I've often wondered this. Whenever I watch films on planes, I cry more. I don't know whether there's a thing about the pressure on planes. Is that a fact? Yeah. I've always wondered. I don't know. I've no idea. Well, when you say whenever, I mean, how often do you do this? Do you do it quite often? What, fly or cry on?

If I watch a film, often. Yeah. I read something where. it is related to the pressure. It is to do with that. I started to really worry when it was dumber and dumber. Did you cry at that?

No, joke it, that's messing. Yeah, well, count to that, your dad jokes. That's a whole other section. So, your mom, talking of expressing emotion and stuff, your mom passed away, was it last year, Gary? Eighteen months ago. Yeah, and that must have been

a really sad day. Yeah, of course. I mean, you know, you only have one mum, don't you? And she was great, great personality. A lovely woman. She'd been struggling, though. She was ready to go. And, yeah, it's tough. It was tough. What do you think your mum gave you, like, qualities-wise? She gave me swarthy skin. Did she?

Yeah, that's where it comes. All of my mum's side are two brothers. What else did she give me? As a person? She gave me calmness. Did she? Yeah, my mum was, you? you know, very calm. Quite sarky, I wish I've got that as well on occasions.

Good sense of humour. Yeah, so I think she gave me probably my calm side, which is very me. I don't, you know, I'm not fiery at all. I haven't really got a temper. You haven't, have you? You said to me once when I was with you in a car, and you won't make that mistake again. You said that you get road rage sometimes.

Occasionally I get road rage. I get not to excessive levels, but I can be irritated by we'll go around there. Should we go here? Yeah. It is wet. Do you mind? I don't mind. Do you mind?

Should we go under here? It's a bit more shady. Oh no, because we'll end up in the... No, we're okay. I don't mind. I've let you have the umbrella now. I'm on there going to shame. You shamed me.

You shamed me, so I'm getting soggy. So that's okay. I don't want you to get soggy. I feel bad. We're okay. Snoop. He's having a ball. Yeah.

So from your mum, you get cold. calmness and from your dad what do you get? I think from the dad's side of the family athleticism and you know the sporty side of things and obviously that you mentioned earlier probably the work ethic

was he a disciplinarian your dad? He could be yeah in fact I remember you know this whole thing about the fact that I was never booked or sent off and stuff comes I remember when I was about

must have been 14 15 that sort of age when you're start to get a bit of attitude. And I was playing a match on a Sunday morning for the local side that I played for. And the ref gave something against me, the chat, which I knew was wrong. Yeah. I swore at the ref. My dad, my dad marched onto the pick. And picked me by the scrub. He says, you never, ever talked to a referee like that again. Did he? Took me off. Took me home. Just took me home. Shamed me. I was so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed. I think that's probably the reason.

reason why I never kind of demonstrated too much with referees and... I think that's true though. Yeah, I think it had an influence. On a very different scale, admittedly, I remember I stole something when I was really young from some family friends. It was a little pink Rolls-Royce and I put it in my bag and my mum brought it out in front of the whole family we were staying with and said, Em, this isn't yours, is it? You stole a little pink-rolls-Royce?

Yes. And I said, no, I didn't put it there. And she said, we'll go this way. Snoop. She said, I think you did, and I think you should apologise for stealing it. And so I never stole again, because of humiliation. Whereas I've never got, no one told me about stealing. So I've just been stealing things ever since.

So Snoop, I think, you know what, Gary, I'm loving walking the dog with you. He was getting a bit torrential now, isn't it? It's like in that scene in four weddings. That's what that movie is. I start crying. I hadn't. noticed. Do you know that bit? I know. Yes, I do. So it's getting, the rain is getting a bit like Richard Curtis is paid for the rain. So I think we should go in with Snoop and maybe we can

have a cup of tea and carry on our chat because I'm not done with you yet. There we go. We're in. Someone's there. Angus is there. The youngest. Hey Angus. How are you? Before, I'm Emily. Emily. How are you nice to see you? Nice to you too. Oh, we're We've just been taking a dog for a walk. Interviewy dog walkie thing. You're good? I'm very wet, yeah. Soggy.

Shall we go down? Should I take my shoes off? They're really dirty Gary. Yeah, it's only wood. I think Angus, he prefers Angus. Give him a treat, goose. Left, left, left, left, left. Cubbered, low. You got it.

So I love the way the boys just come and hang out here. I know. So do they all just got keys and just come? Um, they haven't all got all got. Well, they haven't all got keys because they're losing and they don't give them again. Striots me mad, keep and getting keys cut. But there's four of them. Yeah, George's here pretty much most of the time now because he works.

And Harry's as well a bit because they both work in town. But how do they not bring all their mates back here? Because this is extraordinary this place. Well, they do. There's table tennis. That's the problem, they do. There's a bar. Of course there is.

Let's get Angus to make us a cup of tea. Good luck with that. Goose! Put the kettle on. Can you do that? Can you manage that? Put the kettle on. Thanks Angus.

He's my last teenager. Is he my last teenager? My last teenager. And that changes in a few weeks, early August. That's it. It's weird, isn't it, having four boys? Because you sort of think, do you feel, are you relieved?

None of them went into football, did they? No, the middle two were quite useful. Harry was good, but not driven. at all. He never really loved it. He loves football, but playing wise when he was growing up, he turned up on a Sunday morning and suddenly go, I don't want to play today, Dad. I'm like, oh, all right. Whatever. And did you not push him? You can't push someone. They're not that keen. They're not that keen. And then my third Tobias was at Chelsea's Academy for a couple of years. And then he got that thing called Osgood's

Clattis, the knee condition. Growing thing. And he couldn't play for about two. and a half years that kind of did for him but they both still play a bit and they'll play well george by his own admission is is it wrong to have a favorite and say it's George i know you're not medicine i used to get parents come up sometimes watching like you know when you're watching the kids and one like pet hates in life parents watching football matches and shouting and screaming and oh yeah getting overly carried away at least two or three occasions i had parents come up and say well i thought he might be a bit better than that. About George?

And I used to say, well, you know, the jeans come from two areas and his mother's really crap at football. I mean, you say that jokingly, but that makes me feel relieved that he didn't become a footballer. No. Because that would have been his whole life. Unless they're really seriously good,

it's probably better that they find a different... Otherwise, the comparisons would be relentless. As long as they're happy and they... get on with their life. You've got a good relationship with them there, haven't you? You know, they're growing up into nice people and interesting and good fun and sociable animals. They go through spells where they, you know, drive you to distraction. Were you a strict dad?

Strict-ish when they were younger, but less so as they've got older, I think. But are you one of those dads? Would you ever sort of turn out, go, what time do you call this or something if they come in late? If they come in late. What time do they come in? Oh, fine. What's late? George is out at nightclubs most nights.

I sound about 90. George's only, he's only goes out at weekends actually. So you have, it's Ella upstairs as well. Ella's here somewhere, yeah. So that's Danielle's daughter. Yes. And she's, your stepdaughter really, wasn't she? Oh, yes. Yeah, she is.

Totally, yeah. I know. To me, she'll always be. She's, you know, she's. That's really lovely. I remember Danielle saying to me that you'd said she'll always have a room here. And I think that that. She's in it now.

evidence. But I'm not going to, I mean, I know Danielle, obviously. She's a friend of mine, as you know. I know. And I'm not going to talk about why you split up, because that's none of my business and it's none of anyone else's business. But what I do want to say to you is that I think it's so impressive and I'm still gobsmacked at the way you handled it, both of you,

and how classy it was and how you've kept this really lovely friendship. How the hell did you do it? Because it's genuine. You know, you couldn't, you know, and everyone that's close to us knows that. So, you know, that's how it is. And that's how it will always, I hope, always be. I mean, things change in life at some point, hopefully not. But yeah, she's a great person and we're really close.

But, you know, just at one point in our lives, we wanted different things. And that was it. So, no, we're great, we're great. We have a lovely, really, you know, cool connection. But it's really, a lot of people found it really difficult to understand. But it's not their life. It doesn't really matter what everyone else thinks, does it? Which I've learned to learn.

Along the way, along the rocky road of life, I've learned that ultimately it's about, you know, it's about people that are close to you, it's about your family, it's about your friends, it's about what they think, not what people that don't know you think about you. Yeah. Because they really don't, if you don't know someone, you can have opinion about them, that you don't really know until you meet them. I was just really impressed by it. Well, it's lovely of you to say so.

But, yeah, I think it's just a grown-up. And I don't think it's unique. I think it's probably unusual. And perhaps in some ways, if you go your different ways, it's easier if you hate each other. I don't know. I don't think so, but for others maybe. Yeah.

And you saved a lot of money both of you as well. Well, that was just avoiding lawyers and stuff, yeah. Yeah, because you spoke about that, which I thought was interested in you, just said you thought, always just make money out of it, basically, don't they? Yeah, and I think they mock the situation and they cause anxiety between

couples quite easily. And I think there should be a different kind of formula. Because ultimately, I think it works itself out at some point. It becomes mathematical. Yeah. And ultimately, you should just go straight to that. Well, I think also what happens is people split up often and then they make decisions about that kind of stuff

when they're in the white heat of anger. And I think that's the worst time for anyone to make a decision. So I think if you'd ask anyone, we never went through an anger stage. So it was never about that. So I think that makes it a lot easier. But they can drive that wedging if on the lawyer route. They can do that.

And I've spoken to many, many people in similar, in circumstances like that that it's happened to them. Yeah. You know, it starts amicable, right, okay, we've got a different way in life now. And then they decide to split and then all of a sudden the lawyers get involved and the letters start exchanging and all of a sudden it becomes gradually more and more unsettling for each. Then there's a bit of anger and then they start despising the other person. It's horrible and it's largely I think it's unnecessary but you know not in all cases or all examples but there's certainly many.

Well I think you're right though but you know when you're man you're not in a position to you don't make good choices you know because you're just being you're motivated by fury and you're not motivated by sense or reason I don't do fury but do you know take your word for really Gary oh I don't really oh I know it's not it's not it's not how I am I don't do I can't get irritated occasionally for about two minutes and then I can sulk can you you sell a little sulk occasionally. So what's a gap, how does a Gary salt go? Is it you? It goes quiet for about 10 minutes and then back to normal. So is it when you're Danielle for example if she'd say you okay, I don't know

you're okay, gee, how would you respond? I go yeah, I'm alright. Wow, that's bad. It's that bad. Why is that bad? What do you want? Rage. So what would it take for you to get angry at this moment? If I just like smash that very expensive lamp? It's not raised as cheap as chips. Oh is it, where's it from? I don't know. I think it's from John Lice. What would you say, okay, there must be something expensive in this gap. That bottle of Don Perrin, Your.

But why would you just smash that? I mean, obviously, I'd be mildly irked. What did you say, mildly irked? As long as you cleared it up. What do you, in your relationship or something, what winds you up? What makes you so things? My boys can wind me up. Probably the one thing.

Do they? Not so much nowadays, but in fact they still can occasionally. But yes. What sort of thing? I don't know. When they were growing up, we're fighting each other,

as boys do anyway, and tragging them apart, and then they used to wind each other up, and he used to say to them, listen, you're going to end up fighting. Now, let's stop this now. And you know, and then they just keep going.

And the one upstairs there, and he was the youngest. He used to, you know, he'd do it, and he'd wind them up, and he'd wind them up. And he'd say, I'm just playing, it's just a game.

And then they'd end up fighting and he just drive me mad. That's when I could, if that's what you want. And I wanted to ask you something else, which is after, I mean, you obviously decided to change careers. Because you had to, really. Well, you've got no choice in football.

And there's a lot of life after football. And I suppose nowadays they own such astronomical sums as long as they're quite sensible. They can kind of pick and choose what they want to do. But if you're at the top, you know, the kind of level, that I reached. But knowing post football is a lot.

It's way more life post football than during it. Well, there can be. But for every Gaelinica, there's someone who's kind of got out of shape and the adrenaline has nowhere to go. It's actually, I know people, you know, I'm not trying to kind of garner sympathy towards footballers and things have changed

in terms of salaries, etc. But the same problems will persist because being a professional football, earning kind of vast sums of money, you get used to spending vast sums of money. And you kind of don't think it's going to end. And then it does end, and all of a sudden the salary disappears,

but the way of life might continue. Right. You don't get that kind of fame buzz, perhaps the adrenaline rush of walking out in front of a full house. I mean, a lot of people get, you know, decent jobs in television or going to coaching, but there are nowhere near as many jobs in that as there are actually being a footballer.

So the vast majority of players have to find something else that they can do, and they're not really equipped to do it. They've had no training, so they might invest in a business or something that most times businesses don't quite work out, they lose a bit of money there, then they get a bit depressed and get down. The divorce rates of footballers

between, I think, the age of 33 and 40, is something ridiculously by like 70%. Because the footballers might change, they fall out, they get divorced, and they lose obviously a lot more of their money, and then obviously it's difficult. So many ex-footballers have had problems. We're yet to see whether that will be the same,

given the amount of money that the players are earning now. It's hugely different to my time. So it's not all bed of roses, really. Well, it's not for others, but it is for you. No, I've been lucky. That's what I mean. And I'm totally appreciative of the fact of how fortuitous I've been in life, to have had the ability, A, to play football and then find something else associated to the game that I love,

that I can do as a living afterwards. Hey, it's Angus putting the kettle on? Angus! Has about as good as you'll get. Do you want to pause for a cup of tea? I'll have to make it. Angus! He's got the telly on.

He won't hear anything. Gary's just made me a cup of tea. Yes. Is it any good? Thank you for this. It's so nice, but there's goat's milk. Well, yeah, I'm sorry about that. That's why I'm not having one.

I've run out of milk, proper milk. It'll do. And we got to see Angus, which was nice. Yeah. Yeah, so we were talking about when you made the transition from football. And I can imagine that when you did that, you strike me as a sort of person that would have applied the 10,000 hours principle. If you're familiar with that concept.

I'm very familiar with it. I think it's a bit of a myth, personally. Tell me why? Because I don't think you can possibly be a footballer by just doing the whole 10,000 thing without a natural ability. You know, if you could give me like 28-year-olds and that could walk across this room there, and 19 of them I'll tell you've got no chance

just by watching them walk. And there'll probably be one too. You could tell if they could play. And you could give them 400,000 hours and they would never be... Do you think that's right? But then... Totally. I put it to you, Gary Winston-Linnaker.

But earlier, you said to me, you didn't have natural ability like Paul Gascon did. I said I didn't have as much natural ability as Paul Gascon, but I did have other strengths, one of which was searing pace and a cool head. You know, when you were playing at your peak, let's say, peak, Linnaker... Yep. Peak GWL? Mid to late 20s I would suggest. Was your peak?

Yeah, I think so. 24 to 28. So that was 80? Yeah, that was 80. I think of 90 is your tournament now. 86 was. Oh, 86 was, yeah. That period though, mid 80s to perhaps about 9091.

Yeah. And then once you get to about 30, the old pace kind of. Does the motor go? The motor. It's really weird. But you just get a. a little less quick, more experienced, which helps for a while, but then, and a little less powerful, it seems. To do it, you know, so continuously. Do you see, when you look back,

you know things like, when you look at Italian 90, and that's still, people know the commentary off by heart, people remember what was said, people... I don't because I wasn't watching. But people remember, have a word with him, has entered almost the lexicon, was you motioning to Bobby Robson about Gaza. And that's something, I mean, I say that with friends as a sort of joking reference. And that's what's, it's so strange. It became such a big part, a big sort of cultural moment, didn't it for people? Everything.

It came like an iconic moment. And it was, and I had obviously no idea at the time. I was gesturing towards a dog out. You don't think about cameras or anything. But it was just that his bottom lip was starting to go a little bit And even though he got booked and we knew what that meant The fact that he would miss the final If we'd managed to beat Germany which

Obviously we didn't You sound like you've really got over that It's the only one thing Look back and think Does that still bother you? Yeah I think that'll always To be that close

For a World Cup final And it's the fact that we probably would be in But the thing is obviously at the time Gaz is there he's getting all emotional and even though we know he can't play in the final we still want to get there so I'm just saying like

you know have a word with him keeping an eye on him basically and gestured to I'd no idea that I'd done that gesture at all but Gaza rallied anyway and played really well in the last half an hour of extra time but that was all it was it was just a momentary thing

and then it wasn't until I got home or people started to oh that thing what did you do in Gaza I've gone what do you mean no idea no memory of it But obviously you get reminded of your memories by seeing the footage. What does it feel like watching that now? Do you watch that ever?

And do you think it was just such a moment in time, wasn't it, that you guys were this kind of band of brothers? Well, we're just looking at possibly doing a documentary on 90 with my production company. My son, Harry, has kind of does lots of the work for us. Has had to research. Is that Goldhanger? Yeah.

And has logged every kind of minute of every match. He's gone through over the last few months watching every, every game and every moment. And he keeps showing me clips of stuff that I have zero recollection of, of me in the match, going, mainly any bit that you can see where I do badly.

Oh, what were you thinking there, Dad? How did you miss that? And then there are a couple of things where actually I created a chance and I went, is that me? I actually passed the board to someone else. That was quite good. You must have some really good memories of those people, though, that you played with back then. And did you think, were you aware that you were part of something special and that... Well, you're not aware at the time until you kind of go through it.

I knew from my experience of 86 in Mexico where you're actually in an environment. It's like you're like cocooned. You're in a hotel. There's a security all around. You don't really see any. You see a few journalists. You do your training. You get on a bus.

You go and play a game. You've got kind of no outside contact in the world. You've got to remember back in the mid-80s, we're in the mid-80s. we're in Mexico players nowadays they complain, don't they, about being bored and when they're on World Cups and stuff like that. And you think,

bored, really? You've got your phones now, the computers, you've got PlayStation Xboxes, whatever you call them, all these kind of things to keep you occupied. We had nothing like that. We just had basically ourselves. And I remember we could only make one phone call home a week from Mexico and that had to be from the main reception

because there were no kind of... It's like your... crime. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, when they... When they moaned, funny enough, the only call I got was from my agent. I got Barcelona kind of having a bit of interest before the World Cup. And then spoke to my agent before I left and he said, you know, what do you want to do?

If it's... I said, listen, while I'm with England, I said, I don't want any distractions. I said, just don't... Tell me about it. I know the feeling. He said, and then after... We heard nothing... It was obviously very quiet after the first two games and I kind of haven't scored a goal.

And then I scored a hatrick against Poland. And then I got two against Paraguay. And then my agent called me. He's got a phone call at reception. Ooh, this is exciting. So I go down and pick to something. He said, listen, I know we'd agreed before, he said, but I feel I've got to say something

because they're telling me, Barcelona are telling me, if he doesn't agree to sign now, the deal's off. And I said to him, well, I can't do that now. Playing for England in the middle of the World Cup? I said, tell him to forget it. I said, if they're interested now, they'll still be interested at the end of the World Cup. Cup and they were.

So it did still happen, but yeah. That's kind of balls of steel though, isn't it? Well, I don't know whether it's balls of steel or just, I think it's just the right thing to do. I mean, you can imagine the distraction if suddenly you've agreed to sign and it's in the middle of the World Cup and what. It's just, it would have been wrong. And ultimately, if somebody wants you badly enough, they're still going to want you another week or two later.

It's right just being as a part of that. And that's just so exciting. It is exciting. No, that was right because you're saying, you know, 90, where have been part of something special. Well, in 86, then you go home. And even though we only got to the quarterfinals, we got home to like incredible receptions and this.

And, you know, all of a sudden I was recognized everywhere I went and life was just, it was just mental for a month or so. Good mental. So I kind of, yeah, it was good, positive. You know, people, you know, they, obviously they thought we were robbed because of the Maradonna handball and we rallied towards the end of the game and we you know in difficult conditions for European football we did okay so I kind of suspected the same thing would be the case

with Italia 90 but it was even more so in fact I think it was a real watershed moment for football in this country in terms of its popularity and in terms of getting a different kind of audience before it was very much working man sport. All of a sudden, I think the middle classes got interested. Women started to get interested. Families watched it together. And I think it was a real, you know,

just before the Premier League changed it again. And we also had the Taylor Report with Allsita State. It became a nicer place to go to watch sport rather than just after the Hooligan period. Yeah, I think it was a real moment for football. You say them middle classes. Do you consider yourself middle class now? No, I don't.

Do you change? Do you change what you are? Yeah, I don't know. I think you probably do. Well, I live a middle class life now. There's no question about that. So I, but I think I've still got some working class ethics. Have you? Morals or whatever that means. I don't even know what that means. Really?

Well, your work ethic. Are you? Well, work ethic and, you know. Are you extravagant or careful with money? No, I'm certainly not extravagant. But at the same time, I don't think I'm not tight either. You're not tight? No, no, definitely not.

I don't think anyone would have. You pick up the bill a lot. Yeah, I quite like picking up the bill. Like I know sometimes you'll go into town and you'll sort of hop on the train and stuff. Oh, yeah, very rarely, I don't drive much. Hardly at all. In fact, I've been without, I was without a car for about, I'm still without a car, but for about two months now. And I just, I just, I walk or, you know.

I can walk to the station. Would you get the bus? the train into town if I go into town. I've got the bus a couple of times. Um, tube, yeah, quite a lot. What is it like when you get on the tube? People look. But they're all right, you know, I get just few pictures or whatever, but, you know, 99.999% of the time people are really polite. And, um... Is that important for you to be able to get the tube in the bus? Well, it makes it a lot easier.

No, I don't mean in terms of the convenience. I just mean keeping, not completely living a cloistered life? Well, there's no deliberate strategy involving that. But I think I've always had a degree of perspective on the real world. I hope so. I've not lost touch. Yeah, but still, Gary Lennacher on the blast. I don't think like that.

I don't think that's not how I think. I know. Thankfully, start thinking about myself in the third person. I'll see a bit weird. Have you ever talked about yourself in the third person? If I ever do, please shoot me. What to your agent, Gary wouldn't do that. When you started doing match of the day, which was a long time ago now, how many years have you been doing it?

Well, Des left in 99 when I kind of became the main football presenter at the Beebe. So that's, well, 18 years. We lost it for three years, of course. So I suppose 15 then, do it. And you're pretty good at it. now, aren't you? I don't know. I just do it how I do it. And it's for other people to decide. But did you

in the early days? I've always had an advantage because obviously in terms of presentation, and it's the reason I went into presenting not being a pundit because I always thought there might be a niche there. Because you looked at other sports like tennis with Sue Barker and cricket with David Gower and it was always really

kind of ex-people in the sport that presented it. Whereas football, we had obviously Jimmy Hill, but he was more of a pundit than he did a bit of presenting. and Bob Wilson was a goalkeeper but no one that had ever done it who'd kind of played in World Cups and all

and I just thought if I can crack the technical aspect of it which took a time I thought I would give me an edge because I've been there seeing it done it and I can interview managers and they can never turn around and say well what do you know

well they can but I'll argue with them yeah it's interesting now because I look at you going I think, right, you've got quite an nice life, haven't you? No, I've got a great love. And you've created it for yourself, admittedly. It's not like anyone's gifted you this. But when I see you on Twitter and talking about politics and just talking in general about...

I know, what am I doing? Why don't I shut up? Well, I suppose what I'm saying is I think it's a much more human you is Gary 2.0. Well, it's me. My Twitter feed is kind of me. It's, you know, I think it's kind of a little bit of a taster of someone's life. You find out what people are really like on social media. And that's me.

If I feel strongly about a subject, and I'll tweet heartfeltly, you know, and it's people will take it or leave it. And it's very, we've got a very divisive moment in our society at the moment. And, you know, people will hate you for having a view. which I kind of don't understand. Now, I'll disagree with someone and not like their view, but it doesn't mean that I won't like them as a person.

But that's what it's become, especially probably with Brexit. You know, because obviously I'm not a great fan of the idea of Brexit. You'll remain. But I've got mates that are pro-Brexit. It doesn't affect our appreciation of each other as human beings.

You know, just because someone's opinion is different. But we can have, well, I'll argue with them. We'll have a debate about it. But I don't understand the venom. That's what I can't, I can't get my head around why people have to be angry about someone having an alternative opinion to them. Because that's part of life, isn't it? We'll have different views. But it's just become so, it's become so them and us.

And I think that's, I think that's, it's, it's not only divisive, but it's also dangerous and it's unsettling. And it's, I think it's sad. And obviously I had it also with the refugee crisis. and I just had a degree of sympathy for people that have had to flee their countries under circumstances which I don't think we can possibly imagine and then just to kind of shun them

and the world to shun them in the way that has happened in many aspects to say it, to put out a little bit of sympathy on that terms and then again you get most people I think reasonably sympathetic and understanding but even then you get some quite venomous responses And never in the flesh, by the way, never in the flesh ever, not one yet, but loads on social media. I get lots of the opposite, people being very supportive and saying it's good, what you're doing and, you know, keep it up, etc.

But I never get the alternative viewpoint face to face only behind a keyboard, which is in itself, I think, interesting. But I've put myself out there. Sometimes I think, you know, maybe you should have shut up and keep your big, you know, keep your big, god. off shut. But, you know, by and large, I personally I feel I'm on the right side. Other people feel not. So, and it's, I think I've gone far enough down the road down, but I don't think I'm going to turn back. Would you go into politics then? We touched on the story. No, I've got no interesting. Would you go on question time? I've been asked to go on question time lots of times, but not, I don't think I would, no. I don't, I don't, I don't think I'm expert

enough on enough subjects. I've got my particular interests, which I'll, you know, I'll, you know, I think I understand to a degree and I've done a lot of work on, but it doesn't mean to say that I have a massive interest on all sorts of aspects of politics, which, you know, can come up in that show. So I don't, you know, I've got no great desire to, you know, I don't want to push myself politically. I'm not trying to push myself politically. I'm just what I do on, I'm happy with just my little say on, on Twitter and put it out there what I think. I don't think it's, you know, it doesn't carry that much weight. But obviously I've got quite a bit. How many followers have you got? Yeah, but people, you know, people, it's hard to pay.

You're not going to change people's mind. How many followers have you got? It's over six million now, I think, yeah. That's quite a lot. It's huge, it's big of the population in Scotland. Yeah. It's mental. But again, you're not going to change people's opinions.

You might get them to vote, though. That was the one thing I wanted to do. I wanted to get people to vote, particularly the young people. I think it's important because it's their future. So that was something I felt strongly about. therefore I tweeted about it. Okay, so basically the battery just failed. Gary and I were talking about how he's going to be an MP or mayor possibly.

No, thanks. And no, we were talking about Twitter and just how you handled some of the abuse on it. And, I mean, apart from the obvious block. Well, there is a block button which I use quite frequently. They say abusive stuff, you don't need to accept that. And it's nice to have that or mute them so they don't even know. But that's a physical way of doing it. But how do you block it from your mind, Gary?

Because I was a footballer and we used to it. I never forget when I first started. I first started at television. And I was in the office. I was a pundit that day for match of the day. So we're in there on a Saturday afternoon. And there'd been a little article in the newspapers that was a bit derogatory, slightly negative about the show.

And I remember Des and the then-producer. director of the show really getting in a terrible state about it, really upset. And I just think, cool, blotomy, you've been a footballer, mate. I mean, the columns are where you get absolutely obliterated.

And obviously, as well as that as getting the chance on the terraces from opposite fans. This, you know, Twitter's lightweight compared with a lot of it in many aspects. And also, that thing about when you meet people in the street, they don't necessarily do that.

And you've also got to remember. Actually, they're just differing. It's just a difference of opinion. And people get very kind of agitated and angry and fury. And, you know, it's like defenders. They used to get angry sometimes when you did them. What I love, can I just say about everyone listening about talking to Gary, is that he'll often say, it's like defenders.

And you think, well, no, I don't know this, Gary, because I don't know how to defendants. Frank Skinner once told me that you said something along the lines of, well, you know, it's a bit like, you know, when you're about to take a penalty for England. Oh no you don't. I was just teasing Frank on that occasion. But yeah I kind of regularly use football analogies

for life in general. Can you tell me quickly what is it like to take a penalty for England? This is a little bit weird but I used to quite enjoy it. I used to feel like it was the ultimate test of anyone's nerve or bottle

or whatever we want to call it. And it was in a a position. Take for example two one down against Cameroon seven, eight minutes to go, World Cup quarterfinal. I'd been penalty to take for England for four years, hadn't had one. But I used to practice every day, practice all the time. And then all of some penalties, two one down. And whilst obviously there's a little bit of tension, I actually also felt what a position to be in. As a striker, you want chances to score. That's a great chance to score. And as well as that, it's like almost wanting,

I know it sounds a little bit arrogant, but it was almost like wanting to show off. Right, oh shit, this is going, you know, this is going exactly where I've practiced it every day for the last three weeks. And just hit it perfectly, and it was like, you know, showing off, stick your chest up, did it, you see, got nerves of steel.

But if you miss, then it's a disaster. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Were you always able to, there's that saying of playing the game, not the occasion, isn't there? Were you always able to do that, do you think? David Beckham's quite good at that, isn't he, playing the game, not the occasion? And people at the top level are good at that. Yeah.

Were you good at that, obviously? Yeah, I think I rose to the occasion, in terms of the big games that I used to love and enjoy. And the adrenaline was greater and I just felt more comfortable. I struggled in kind of pre-season friendliness and I just motivated myself to do it. But the big games, the World Cups and stuff, just great. And your superpower, Gary, I think, is that you don't care what people think of you. I think that would be a lie. I said, I don't care what people think.

I think we all care what people think. But I think the important thing is the people, it's important to think about the people that are close to you and what they think of you, not people that don't know you. Okay. And we should wrap up soon because I've been here for about six hours. We went on a walk and then I came back here. We're in red velvet chairs in your...

I'm going to call this your leisure room. Yeah. It's where I spend most of my time from my... Is it? You've got a massive telly. Of course. Of course. I mean, it's the biggest telly I've ever seen.

Well, it's a kind of, it's a, you know, projector screen, really. So what happens most nights? you're here, Gary, the evening in, talk me through it. You do a bit of cooking? Well, I cook. I like cooking. Tonight you've got friends over.

What will you cook? I'm doing a little, a little amateur chiana, I think. A rigatoni. Oh, a rigatoni? Pastor, the amateur chiana sauce. What are you watching?

Well, what's going on at the moment? Where's the football? No, actually, is it tonight? No, I think England under 21 semi-file tonight, isn't it? Okay. Against Germany. Huh. semi-final against Germany.

It was like it was meant to be. We're going to lose on penalties, aren't we? Yeah, I think that's tonight. And all the boys hang about? I've got quite a few of them here tonight. I've got George, Angus, Harry's coming. And their cousin. Ella's here.

All the gangs here, it'll be fun. And Danielle, obviously. Gary, it's been so nice talking to you. Absolutely pleasure. And look, poor old Snoops disappeared. I mean, he was the point of all this. We went out for a walk. He's upstairs with Angus, I think.

Yes, he is. Like I'm really not surprised that you've got a Labrador because I think they're a bit like you. What, eat everything in front of them? No. I think they're quite low maintenance and they don't get agy. You wouldn't have said that when he was young. Really? No, up until he was four or five is wild. Was that a bit like you up until a certain age?

Not wrong. I'm trying to find my wild side now. Okay. Can you wait until we've left? Yeah. having a midlife crisis. Just don't buy a leather jacket. Have you got a leather jacket? No.

Okay. Sports car? I haven't got a car at the moment. You're not having a midlife crisis. Okay. You're fine. I'm going to get one. It's one of my ambitions.

Really? It's on my bucket list. Midlife crisis. Thanks to Gary for the walk and to Snoop. They were quite the dream team. They both still got it. If you liked it, can you remember to subscribe and leave a comment on iTunes? I love subscribers. Subscribers are my world.

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