Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Harry Trevaldwyn (Part Two)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

We’re back in Clissold Park with the very wonderful actor, writer and comedian Harry Trevaldwyn! Harry tells us all about how he went from posting sketches on Instagram to entering his Hollywood era. He told us about what it was like to work with some of his comedy heroes and why he finds so much joy in being part of an ensemble. We hear all about Harry’s latest projects - How To Train Your Dragon and My Oxford Year, as well as his brilliant YA novel The Romantic Tragedies of a Drama King! Harry was an all round exceptional person to take a walk with, so we highly urge you to take a look at all of his work! Follow @harrytrevaldwyn on Instagram How To Train Your Dragon is out now in cinemas - you can watch the trailer here!My Oxford Year is out on Netflix on 1st August - set a reminder to watch it on Netflix here! Get your copy of The Romantic Tragedies of a Drama King here!Follow Emily: Instagram - @emilyrebeccadeanX - @divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Faye LawrenceMusic: Rich Jarman Artwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Part 2 of Walking the Dog with the wonderful Harry Trevoldwin. Do go back and listen to Part 1 if you haven't already and do catch Harry in How to Train Your Dragon Out in Cinemas now and also in the wonderful upcoming Netflix movie My Oxford Year which you can watch from August 1st. I'd also love it if you gave us a like and a follow so you can catch us every week. Here's Harry and Ray Ray.

So your videos became huge And I feel like that really sort of did a lot for your career, didn't it? Oh my God, yeah, yeah. Do you think that's how you ended up getting the part in the... Oh, like, without a doubt. So it was such a... So basically, I knew at this point that I wanted to do like acting and writing

and I'd written a few scripts. And it was so lovely that then when production companies started reaching out to me, so who had seen the videos and they'd be like, would you love to... And at this point, they still didn't really have an agent. and they would start reaching out to me and be like, oh, have you ever thought of writing long form? What was so lovely is I was then prepared with like spec scripts to be like, yes, and here's what I want to do.

So it always felt like, I love doing it always, but it always felt for me I was always like, this is a vehicle to do it for fun, but also it could be a vehicle for like writing or something like that. And then, yeah, and then I think definitely, and then I got an amazing agent. Was that partly through Jamie Dimitri?

Yeah, so he recommended me, which was amazing. He had seen my video. and sent me this really lovely message. And I was kind of talking to this agent anyway. And then Jamie had a connection with him and was like, yeah, you should definitely sign him. It was so, yeah, and also because he was like a, like big, big comedy, like hero of mine. But a capital B, capital B, C, capital A. Why did I give myself that test?

That was a horrible self-inflicted. I feel you put yourself from something awful. Yeah, B-C-H. But yeah, so I, um. Also, B-C-H, be unfortunate. Yeah, yeah. It's actually, sorry, not. the best one, cut that, scrap that.

Sorry, Jamie. Sorry, Jamie. He's appeared on this before and he was charming. We don't call you a BCH. No, no, no, no, no. But yeah, so it was so great because I loved staff obviously. It was just everything you did, you ended up doing this film The Bubble and what's interesting about the way, from what I understand the way Judd Upetar worked, certainly on

that movie is there was a lot of improvisation. That must be pretty daunting though. I honestly think I look, I think back and I'm like, honestly was like trial. It was trial by fire. I was the only non-famous person in that room. It was so nuts. It was, and like very famous and also like big, big comedy heroes of mine, more viciousious.

But it was, yeah, it was like people from SNL and Leslie Mann, who I think is one of the funniest people in the entire world. And Judd, who had made, like girls was my favorite show. show and he had executive produced or written or directed or been involved in so many of my favourite things. So even now, it's honestly, it's so funny, even now I think back and I get so, like, I get reverberation excitement from it. Like I was so, I couldn't sleep for like the, I kept on thinking it was going to get taken away. I was so excited and it was also my first time, I've done obviously size, what can I do for you? Which I'm best known for.

What can I do? What can I do for you? It's quite modern vernacular. I don't know if anyone would have said, what can I do for you? It's a bit like a sales assistant. Yeah, but you know what? I've always transcended period pieces.

I've always brought a modern, a modern jeuniseauqua. Yes, I was wearing a backwards baseball cart. I was like, bros. It was great. What can I do for your size? So. How are you?

Sorry, Sides. How are you? Are you well? I mean like just as a sequel I think you're behind us Are you well Sires are you well But yeah

It was honestly And I loved Judd I loved working with him And he really like It seems such a nice man He seems like he's You know you can't I just find those people

And I suspect you're one of these people Who Where you get that rare thing Where they have this creative gift Without any of the shit That often goes with it Where you have to tolerate Someone being a bit of a nightmare

You can just tell it It was so obvious that he was just someone that loved comedy. Like he loved finding, like, he loved laughing and he loved hanging out with people and, like, finding something. And he was such a champion of me. Because I wasn't really, I wasn't in the script at all.

And then he just would bring me into scenes to do like little bits and bobs. And I just, oh, I loved it. I loved it. So it was also my first time being on, like, a film set in the UK and, like, just like being in a trailer. I was like being picked up for work.

It was all the most glamorous thing in the world. And it was during COVID. So it was also like it felt like I was having experience. I felt like I was getting new experiences at a time that felt so lucky because obviously everyone was just like trapped at home. I've never had my nostril invaded so many times. It was near constant. But it was great.

And then yeah, it went straight from that to like literally I think I had a week in between that and then I was doing 10%. Which we should say if anyone hasn't seen you really must because it was based on and I'm a fan of both actually. Yeah, me too. Because I'd watch Call My Agent, which is the French version. And then you remade this as a British version, which is, it's brilliant. And we should say, well, you want to say what it is.

It's set in a talent agency. A talent agency, yeah. And it's, yeah, it's about like the inner workings of agents and their assistants and the talent they represent. So kind of seeing, it's basically like if you've got a swan, which is the like the film industry, then we're watching the legs, frantically like barrel underneath. But it was, oh, it was so much. Again, I was so lucky that the first two things I did were big ensemble pieces. So it was like everyone together, a big group of

people, which I think is the nicest way. Because it feels so much more. That's also because I had done so many like plays at uni and then done Edinburgh Fringe. That's what I loved, like kind of like being part of like a group and like rehearsing and I don't know. Did you find, because I was a child actor. One thing I found, Harry, actually, as a kid because I was acting from when I was about six I guess or seven and you know on and on like professional sets yeah TV and films was that but what was weird was that I just sort of instinctively knew like I'd be sent the script in those days it had you know and I'd get that my mom would give me the highlight or she'd go now you know what to do and I'd know to highlight

my life didn't help me at all but one of the things that I found and it really struck me as a child was this I'd work on the set and it was so exciting and these friendships I'd I felt overwhelmed with this sense of melancholy when it finished. Yeah. And I don't think it's someone anyone understands unless they've worked on a production. And it was the thing that slightly put me off it because I felt it felt like a relationship breaking up. I thought, I can't go through that again, the highs and lows. Do you, are you suited to that kind of life?

Do you sense that thing of, oh my God, it's ending? I think, yeah, I'm firstly, I am someone that has very easy access to both nostalgia and melancholy. they're like my two most like frequent emotions. I'll be feeling nostalgic about recording this as it's happening. I'm like, remember, remember when I said that? And but it is, it's, I do get that, but I've also, I think I've reframed it a little bit in my brain in that I think it's one of my favorite things about doing acting is that you get to like, you meet so many more people in your life and make, you can make friends

in adulthood, which I think can be really hard. I think because you're meeting so many people and you're meeting them in really quite intense settings. So like, so for example, my Oxford year, the film that I just did, it was, it was, I, there were like, that cast, I see all the day. I mean, to be honest, they live about like 20 minutes away from me, so that helps. But I see them all the time. I went on holiday with one, the other, like earlier this year. I'm seeing the other one on Sunday. Like, it's so, I think of it as a really lucky way to, like, bring more people into your life.

Obviously, you can't bring everyone. It would be like having a wedding and having like, sort of like $50,000 bridesmaids. But it is, I think of it as a nice thing. So the size, what can I do for you? Oh, tell me, he's family. Tell me this, anime, it's family. We should talk about this film because this, as you say, my Oxford year is the most recent film you've done,

which is coming out. Yes, correct. Which is coming out, my producer just said it, but I'm going to reset it if I knew that. With gumption. Which is coming out and I know this. You've always said it. You've always said that. You've always said it's coming out on the first of all.

I've always said it's coming out on the first of all. It's kind of your catchphrase at this point. Thank God I do my research. It's children quiet. I'm doing the plug for the film now. This is a big moment. It's a fun sports day they're doing. They're all on, what are those bouncyy things?

What are they called? Space hoppers. But they're blue now. They were orange in my day. I think orange might be. Bloody snowflakes. Can't even handle an orange face. Can't even do it on orange space answer anymore.

So my Oxford year is the latest film that you have coming out. And I was heavily invested in this because I'm heavily invested. As soon as you become one of those actors, if I see your name attached to it, I relax. That's so nice. I think this is me. Okay. This is a bit of me. Yeah, yeah.

I'm going to really challenge that now from now on. And I'm going like, what's the most tense film I can do that can watch and be like, it's fine, he's in it. Sorry, human centre food for I'm doing it. And you're like, we're in good hands. His improv skills and that. Undeniable. You just can't hear them.

So that'll be a whole new meaning of size. What can I do for you? Muffle. No, I'll stop. Sorry. Soyes. I don't know if you can hear me, Scyst. Sias, if you're there.

I'd love to help. I don't know how to help. I can't really see. Oh dear. But my Oxford year, I was very heavily invested because it's a U project, but also a very old friend of mine. Ian Morris is the director.

And so I thought, oh my God, this is going to be a treat. And it really was. I honestly loved it because it's one of those films that it kind of had me laughing so much, but also had me in bits at the end. And I love my emotions being played with like that. Yes, yeah, yeah. I love you.

I love to, yeah, feel manipulated. And you play, it's a love story, essentially, and I don't want to spoil it. Yeah. Because there are moments which hit you. It's a bit of a gut punch in a good way in some ways because it takes you by surprise. And I don't want to spoil that,

but I loved your performance. Because you, you tell me who you play in your character. I play Charlie Butler. So I'm like one of, so it's the premise of the film. It's about an American who comes to study at Oxford University for her master's. And, or doctorate? I actually don't know, but she's come to study. And she, so she comes to Oxford for a year and is integrating the year,

but then she meets someone and falls in love. And then I wait to build a rest. And what are someone she meets? Oh my God, Internet's boyfriend, Corey Milgrisdressed. Yeah. And he was, we should say, was he not Bridgeton? He's in Queen Charlotte. And he is so, both of the things.

so both of them, but that he's so talented and so charming. Yeah. And it makes no sense that someone as good looking as him is so funny and so charming and so good. It's completely unfair, but he's wonderful. He's like, and so, yeah, he's, yeah, he's, and just a lovely kind person. Yes, I always think that happens. I think no, God made a mistake there. Yeah.

Because what you're meant to do, it's like that thing Miranda says in sex in the city. And she's like, no, I have a good personality to make a, for the fact that I don't look like you or whatever. She says that's fair enough. Yeah, it's balanced out. Because I have to win them over with my personality. Totally, totally. And I was like, you've got, actually you've got too much material to win over

and I'm actually being smothered by charisma and good looks. It's one step too far. But you, yeah. I play the friend. So I play Anna, who's Sophia Carson, who's wonderful, who comes over to Oxford. I play like a friend that she meets. Me and Esme Kingdom play her like quirky friends. introduced her to like I guess like England and Oxford University Life and you're sort of

of the opposite of chronically out in this film in a way aren't you? No I would say like well he's quite basically he's very I think he's quite bad at like as commitment he's like yeah yeah he's like he's like he'll like shag around but he'll be like always with a very like light touch and will be quite arch and won't be like committed and I think that's kind of like his journey is that he's like, oh, that would be nice to like be still for a second. Take off the cravat and just let loose. But I really, I think I really believed in those friendships. They were real.

It honestly was so, it was so lovely and it's so lucky when that happens because it doesn't always happen. They really, it was so quick. And I think so many people kept on asking if we'd like knew each other before. Sometimes that just happens, you know. happening right now. And it is but it's like one of those ones where you're just like, oh, it's just immediately so easy. You just know, it feels like talking to you, if I'm really honest, it might be a bit cringe, but I do feel that. You know, and I feel it feels like,

in an unsexual way, it's like getting into a warm bath. Okay. Oh, that's how he gets. Yeah, that's like, no, I totally, I totally know what you mean. When I think there's something about like rhythms or something. Yes. What is it? And it very, and it's, and it doesn't, and it just very quickly slips into that same one. Yeah. I, I, I, I totally know. I, I, I, I, I totally know. I, I, I, I, totally great. And what was it like working with someone like Ian Morris, who's obviously very famous for the Inbetweeners, and he's a brilliant film called Festival as well. He's done so many things. He's so talented. Ian's big thing is comedy, isn't it? And he's got such a, and I think that really comes across in this. I think you can really smell his human throughout it and just,

how, what was it like, how did you, do you talk about your character with him and say, look, I think this would be funny or do you come to that table read with a strong sense of what you're character is or do you let him inform that? I think to be honest, I think from the script I had quite a good idea of who he was. And then what was lovely and this does, again, doesn't always happen. We were really lucky to get like two or three weeks rehearsal. So we met up in this very random warehouse. But we'd rehearse it and talk about the character and Ian was great because he'd

really make time to run through scenes, try things. That's lovely when you can get things wrong just by trying. What does he, what, how do you, are you going to? Could it feedback? No, I don't hate it. I'm like, no, I think it should be like this. No, I love it. I really, really like it.

As long as it's like not horribly me. I'm someone, sadly, I don't deal well with being told off. I love positive. What is it when they're like, that was amazing. Even if I can hear a compliment sandwich, I'm like, fine. Yeah, I don't like constructive feedback. I don't know, I like constructive feedback. I just hate being like, I hate being embarrassed, like being yelled at.

I feel I'm wrong. I feel I'm upset. everyone. Yeah, and I'll just go red and I'll just go so deep into myself. Like as in, yeah, I hate it. But Ian's so wonderful and so kind and it was also like, I don't know, it felt like, and there definitely are, but he made it feel like there were no bad ideas. Yeah, but you've got to create that in the room. I work with, I've been working with Frank Skinner for a long time doing a show with him and he always has this idea about the energy and the ideas room. Again, he says, power always goes to the most negative voice in the room. Ooh. Which I like, which is something like,

So if someone says, that's a shit idea, everyone gets frightened and joins with that person. And should I tell you what I found so, because I've been lucky enough to do a couple of writers' rooms as well. And that's so interesting that I think the moment you create an atmosphere of fear, everyone just gets so. And you need, I think, especially there are environments in that you like really need to say something that might be so. Like, I almost like want to say something that's so rubbish to almost be like, guys, like the bar's here. You can only go, like, I'll say something like a dreadful suggestion, so that almost that other people are like, oh, okay, well, he's said something so ludicrous, I can say anything.

And I think that's always, I think, and Ian is great at that also because he's so self-deprecating. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, so. He's a masterclass in self-deprecation. But you are as well, I think. Oh, yeah. You know what? Yeah, I think, I think.

You're what, I remember, well, I first read the word unassuming when I was really young, and I didn't know what it meant. And we didn't have online then. Yeah. So you just started using it until someone was like that's wrong. Pretty much, yeah. That's how I do most of my word. I feel like to use it in a sentence.

I mean, anyone call me up on it? Amazing. Unassuming is sort of, it's a really lovely word because it's not self-effacing feels a bit self-flagellating. You know, it's like, oh, I'm humble and I'm like some Dickens character who's a bit. Whereas unassuming, I feel there's a dignity to it. And it's like a conscious, you know,

just not entitled or arrogant. That's lovely. I hope so. I really, yeah, I would hope to be that. So that's very nice. And I think Ian is very similar. So I think it was, it felt like quite a...

Look what you do. I give you a compliment. I would have moved on. And you've battered it back to Ian. Yeah, yeah. It's because he's actually, what you can't see in the podcast is he's behind the tree being like, bring it back to the film, bring it back to the film.

But it was, and also I think it was, there was, it was just, it was a very, easy rehearsal period. Everyone got on so well. And yeah, you just could make those mistakes. And then also, again, because Ian likes comedy, he'd be really lovely and be like, oh, you guys can do like an improv take or like, what would you maybe say here? And like, there's not always time for that and that's fine. But actually, I've been really, really lucky that I would say almost like, almost if there was any, any discernible theme in my career, which there isn't, It's whatever they let me do.

But if there was a theme, it would be that nearly everything, there's some sort of improv. Not in 10% that was to the script and I loved that because it was so meticulously written. But so often they'll be like, you'll, and nearly always you'll do it to the script, but then directors will be like, oh, no, you can do one for you. And it nearly won't be used, but it's really nice

that makes you feel kind of. That's my favourite thing looking off on YouTube is 10 lines that weren't meant to be in the film. And it's always like, do like parts of wreck, if you watch that. Oh, yeah. Ah, so they do lots of those. They do so many. That would be like, sorry, actually, dream career.

I would love to do like a really wonderful mockumentary, that kind of style. Those are always the best things like when you look at Spinal Tap, the things that they just made up, you know, on the spot. Yeah. Well, I loved that film and it's Sophia Carson. And she's huge, isn't she? She's huge and she's also, it was so, and she was one of the, she was also like a producer, producer on it. She was number one and she ran the set with such like grace and professionalism and kindness. It was really I think that's also number one is number one is

that like the call sheet. Yeah so number one which is oh sorry I always feel so it's always so embarrassing when you say something you know like oh and that was like it's not embarrassing I think it's really but you know what I think it's really good to um I love interrogate it and be like oh what does it mean totally and I think I remember and again it was like so Karen Gillen was number one on the bubble and she was just so fun and so wonderful I think that that that that That trickles down, doesn't it? It's like the energy that you have at the top trickles down and that kind of like sets

the tone for everything. And yeah, and she was so wonderful at doing that and was so busy and yet still managed to make it like so fun and so easy and make everyone feel so welcome and yeah it was great. I loved it. Well I really urge and you are so brilliant in it. Honestly, I mean you're never not brilliant. But there's just a brilliant, your energy and I think your collaborative work with the other actors.

I was so, I so believed in those relationships. I'm really glad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to warn you, you are going to be in bits. Yes, yeah, yeah. I was in bits by the end of this. Ray had to comfort me. He's very cold.

Yes, yeah, yeah. He said I was so wasn't invested. Stakes weren't high enough for me. He was that a straight love storyline. It's all a bit heteronautive for me, dear. We've just had a little doggy come over. Look at the rainbow harness. We're going to be fine.

We're going to be at, we've got an eye. We're going to be fine. I love. Hello, rainbow boy. Or girl. Or. Hey, or person. Or person.

Hello, rainbow. Hey. Oh, no, it's ever so sweet. What's the name? Freddie. Brady. Yeah, Freddy. Freddie.

Yeah. Freddie, aren't you? It's Freddy your lap. Yeah, yeah. Crossbreed maybe? I'm not sure, I'm in the house sitting. I got told he's a five-year-old lab. Yeah, they're lovely, aren't they? Oh, they're lovely, aren't they?

He eats, eat, eat, oh. Yeah. Hey, Freddie, no. He eats absolutely every dog. Fannie, no, baby. Cree. Come here. Freddy, you're a little cheeky bugger.

Are you cheeky bubba? Oh, I love you so dearly. You walk around the park and like people leave things on the ground. leave things on the ground and it just goes straight. Yeah, yeah. I like the fact that they're there. Well, they will leave things on the ground. Oh.

Freddie, did Freddie put it in your lap? Freddy! Oh no, he doesn't. He doesn't want it. Yeah, he's like, that's boring now for me. Bye, Freddie. Nice to meet you. So nice to meet you.

Bye. You're lovely to meet you, Freddie. Oh, sweet thing. It's so sweet. See, that's what I like about having a dog, Harry. I know. We all go through tough times. don't we?

And when I've had some tough times, having raised great, because you know sometimes I just feel, I don't really want to talk to anyone. I don't want to stay in bed, because I know that's a bad thing to do. But I want to get out and having a dog means that you engage with the world. Like that conversation's great.

Sometimes that's all you can handle. But I think it's the same as in like, almost when you go out of your way. Or if you have like an everyday interaction and you kind of like, I don't know, even if it's like buying something from a shop And you end up having it like it. I don't know.

It's like community, isn't it? I think it's so important. I think you can do it though because you're young and glamorous. I think the older you get, the more you are the old weird. No, I disagree. I think I seem too keen to please. They're like, will be. And you're famous.

And when you have the cloak of celebrity, I think. I go up there and be like, you probably recognise me. I'm going to show you my show role just in case you're like, yeah. Do you get a recognised a lot? No. I think, no. I think, you know what, actually still, I think it always depends. when something's coming out because just because your your face is around more it happens a bit

more but still mostly i get um recognized for my videos i would say specifically from videos i don't do right i get recognized as being the person that does the kira night i get congratulated my kira nightly impressions i've never done them there's another person that does them there's a few people around and yeah and so i get congratulated and i now just say thank you because that people will be like i love your kiroin nightly videos and i go thank you so much because It's too awkward to be like, no, it's not me. It's not me. That's what I get recognised for the most, and it's not my videos.

Well, you are going to get recognised a lot more soon, because you've just had, you're stepping into your Hollywood era, aren't you? That's what I'm going on. Without a train your dragon, which is out now in cinema's ugly. And you play. Go on. I think it's tough enough. Yeah, absolutely.

I kept on calling it wrong in filming. It was so bad because it was tough nut and roughnote. It's tough nut Thorsten. Yeah. But yeah, it was, that was so fun. That's a proper big Hollywood blockbuster CTI green screen. Weirdly not that much green screen. Really?

Did they use models then of the dragons? They had the same puppets that they used in, you know, like War Horse. Yeah. It was honestly, I'll show you photos afterwards because it was amazing. They had this amazing team of puppetry people who you would rehearse with and train with. and they were like proper to scale puppets, huge ones, and you'd be acting with them. It's really interesting you say that because watching it, there was a, it sounds a weird thing to say, but there was a sort of intimacy or warmth to it, which might have come from...

From that. And they really, and they're like proper performers as well, so they really, they did the breathing and the movements and each dragon was informed by different animals when they were making it. I have my favourite. Oh, who's your favourite? I think is it the one that looks like a pug? Is it the one that looks a bit like Ray? The Terrible Terra! Gorgeous. That's one that bites me.

Yeah, it bites me in it. But Ray hasn't done that yet, and that's fine. Yeah, fabulous. That one. That's also the one that you would have in real life because you could just carry around with you. Is that really getting a part like that, Harry? Is that when it starts to feel almost surreal?

Do you know what to mean? Yeah, I think it all feels quite surreal. Does it? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think I'm, but that is, I think stepping onto a set like that is, unbelievable and I don't think it ever felt like normal

it does because obviously you didn't get into the routine about you're just like waking up early and going to set and putting in your long ginger wig and sometimes complaining about the early morning I was 15 and be told I was in this and you go it's 5am and you know but it was it was so I think it was so but again you know what I was saying earlier about the people who were in top the tone they set

we had Dean who was our director and he was the kindest sweetest man who cared so much about the film because he had directed the animated films as well and so this was his first live action and he just set such a wonderful tone for it that kind of trickled down but I loved it and again wonderful people filming in Belfast which is beautiful got to swim in the sea on the weekends it was really it was so and yeah it was just I just couldn't believe that I was in something like that what did your mum say well she was so excited she obviously exaggerated about it she was like how is the main part in the film about track and so I was like

no, no, no, stop. That is always what happens. I'll tell my mum something. And then an hour later, my auntie will ring me and it will be an exaggerated story that I then have to like, no, no, it's not that. I was like, my mum rings me up. She's like, Harry's Timothy Shalameau. And I'm like, no, no, I said size, what can I do with you? But it is that, but yeah, she's so, she loves it. Because none of my family also, it's very, none of them do anything. Are you allowed to say what your brother does? My brother works in like international health policy. So he lives in Copenhagen. Oh, that's quite glamorous.

He's so glamorous. He's quite rom-com. He's very rom-com, and he's so wonderful. He was chatting. He gave me such a hard question the other day. He was like, I'm in a perfume shot. What perfume do I get? Which is so hard.

Is that for a lady? No, for himself. Because he was like a vibe. It means you trust my smell. I love you. What did you recommend? You know what? I really panicked and I was like,

well, it's like, well, it's so proud of, blah, blah. And then. Did you go to Tom Ford? By Reader? And then I, no, I actually recommended. because I was like, what would I like to borrow when he's at home? And he got La Labo, which is Spare Knee. And he got my favourite one, which is...

That's not La Bouvoo, Buc. It's nothing to do with La Bougo's. Hey, but it might be. There might be a collab coming up. Oh, it's Lebobo. Le labo. Oh my gosh, but very similar. La Labo is lovely.

La Labe is really nice. And you got that one. It looks very French. I think it is French, actually, isn't it? The Lear, surely. Well, if they're not French. Is it for like, this is going to show you my knowledge of French. Is it for the lab?

It sounds like fake French for you. My French is a bad. Le labeau. Le labeau. It's bon, le l'Abo. See, bienere. That's all you have to say. The way I got through my Spanish GCSE oral was by just learning the phrase de Vesanquando,

which means from time to times. They're like, do you go to the cinema? I'm like, de Vesenquando. Nearly every answer was that. Where's where you gone? We need to let you go soon, Harry. I can talk to you all day, but I want to talk to you before we let you go about your brilliant YA novel. Oh my God.

I loved it so much. I'm so happy. It's so... Do you want to tell us a title? Because I want to hear you saying it in your voice. It's the romantic tragedies of a drama king, very playfully done, very artfully done. It's the most brilliant title, though. No, but it is...

It's really hard. I've written the second book and I'm really struggling with what to call it. Are you? Yeah. Because you so nailed it. And also because it's a sequel to it. It has to be the same theme. But like I can't add any more words because it's already such a long title.

And we should say this, the central character, Pat, who I just fell in love with. Yeah. I so fell in love with him because he's sort of, why he's the best kind of hero is that he's flawed in some ways. Oh, quite heavily. quite heavily flawed. But that's why I loved him because you sort of recognise, you know, even as it's not,

I know it's not aimed at Waijew, but it just shows that good writing is good writing. It's so funny and it just, his friendships are so believable. I also think it's really fun to have a bulldozer as a main character. Those are always my favourite shows like Amy Polar in Parks and Rec or did you ever watch The Mindy Project?

No, would I like that? You would love it. Should I get involved? Yeah, get involved. It's so brilliant. And it's like, I just love characters that are like, so shameless and so like this is who I am I'm going to get what I want and then obviously they need to learn humility especially when you're at school you need to

learn like oh it's actually not all about me always and I recommend by the way listening to this because I I do the double I do this a lot when I like books in that I buy it I read it on in Kindle but then I also with my six free credits or every month from Audible if it's see if I like the performer and I want them I find that very comforting So what I'll do is read it and then I'll listen to a couple of chapters via Ordeal. Oh, nice. And I recommend doing this with Harry's because he does the character so well.

Yeah, it was really nice doing it actually. I mean, it's probably inappropriate because he's quite young. But there's one of, there's an American who, we'll just say Pat starts to develop, catch feelings for. Yes. And I started having feelings for this American character when you were reading. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I need to, I need to speak to you. I was after after air.

you about spoilers for book two because yeah I'll I'll tell you some birds but yeah I love but also what was so funny is recording but I'd forgotten that I'd written an American character and normally like you want to do a little bit of brushing up on the accent and then it just like came to his first line and I was like god damn it here we go so I think hopefully the accent was fine but it was great well do you do an American accent and how to train your dragon and you're great luckily I'd kind of just come off that it used to be a bit of a big deal whereas now it's just expected isn't it yeah but you know what I I think because I watched so much American telly when I was younger,

I was always doing an American accent. So as long as you've got practiced with it, but I will say specifically my name is really hard to say in American accent because it's got all the R's. Yeah, yeah. It's like hairy. It's really, yeah, it's a tricky one. I find father hard in an American accent.

Because I always end up going by Boston. Father. Padre. That's very good. Yeah, if I was in Adomio, I'd be able to be. But this book is so brilliant. And I recommend you don't have to be a Y.A. to read it. You can be anybody to read it.

No, it's kind of like a crossover one. So basically, for the book, I never wanted to like ever write down to people. So I just wrote what I would find funny. Yeah. And kind of the only thing that's YA about it is the school setting, the fact that it is at school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the rest of it, I just wrote what I would find funny. It's about relationships and, you know, dynamics.

Yeah. And like, figuring yourself out and figuring out love. I think it's so much about that. It's like when you've got like a big heart that you don't know what to do with and big feelings that you don't know what to do with and how you kind of like temper that. Have you got big feelings? Huge.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I think I'm, yeah, I do. I'm also like I think a very romantic person. Not good at it, but a fan of it. Do you feel things very deeply? I think I do. There are some things.

I think sometimes I almost, feel things so deeply that I'm almost like shut down from it and then we'll feel it later on which I'm sure like my therapist is working through with me don't worry do you feel if a friend hurts your feelings even inadvertently you're all capable of it how do you deal with that see I wish I was good I've got a lot better because I'm very lucky is I got a lot of friends who are very direct and I am not I am so indirect and so bad at confrontation that the first time I confronted my housemate and I was like, I need to say this thing because we were living together and I was like,

wanted to say this thing. And I genuinely nearly fainted. I found it so stressful. I could feel myself going lightheaded. Was it just a practical? Not a, not a, yeah, just a minor thing. But it just felt so. I was like, hey, so just say, you know, just so I'd make you aware. Raymond! But yeah, I think I'm slowly getting better at confrontation. But not amazing. Not amazing. Because I do think it's a really valuable skill. And I think I'm much better at it in a professional setting at like I think I'm getting better at like advocating for myself or for other people.

But I think it's really hard. I think it is really hard. Are you good at it? Terrible. Really. I'm surprised because I think you could do it so charmingly. Well, this is the problem is that I think I'm getting better. Yeah.

But it's been a lifetime's progress. But I think what's difficult is I kind of think I cosplay assertiveness. I think... Yeah, they're almost like fake it till you make it for the thing. Yeah, and I think people think of me as someone who's, oh, she's no nonsense and she's very direct. Yeah. Because if you're, like you are, I suppose if you're... I'm quite sociable.

Yeah, and confident in that. And they mistake social confidence. That doesn't mean, you know, which I think you and I are probably quite similar. Yeah. In that I have no problem walking into a room and making conversation with someone. No. Yeah, yeah. So they think, oh, that means you're very direct. Yes, actually, that's how.

I'd never really thought. about that, but I think, yeah, I think I've got a very similar thing that I think I'm like, yeah, I'm totally fine in my social situation. I don't even be anxious, but I'm fine. I know that I can handle it. Yeah. But the moment it comes with being like, okay, I need to tell this person off or like explain something or, I don't know, something.

I think sometimes the people, and that's what people get wrong, is the people who are quite, let's be honest, bad socially. Yeah. are the most better at being direct. Yeah. So if you think someone like Alan Sugar, I don't know the man, but he's built up a great business,

I'm sure he's very direct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I suspect he wouldn't consider it part of his skill set. Imagine if he was so bad at being direct. Imagine I'll run around this company. Yeah, yeah, being like, oh God. Hello. I think it's just like, well, okay, so the issue,

I mean, I personally, I love it. It's just, well, actually, it's probably fine. It's probably fine. That is genuine or what I would be like. I've got a worse job for us. What? Politics. Oh, oh, very good because we'd be so vague. We'd be vague, that's true. But you know what? Imagine if we had to give difficult news. If they said yes or no, they're like, yes or no question, I'd be like, it's just not as black and white as that is it. It's just tricky.

But yeah, giving bad news. We'd ghost them. We'd ghost like the foreign secretary of people. I think that'd be fine. Do you ghost people ever? No. Do I? I said that's so instinctively. that it felt defensive. I don't think so. I think I'm pretty good. I'm not always the best at responding straight away. I think we ghost them when we have to say no. I do. You know what I'm really bad at? So let's say I've been invited to a wedding that I know I can't make it. I'll leave it so long to tell and it's so bad. It's so bad that I'll because I'll basically I avoid

doing the uncomfortable thing of being like listen I'm so or letting someone down. So I put it off and that ends up being so much worse because then you... You know what you need to find is I found a mentor so you know, we have a... Is that Alan Sugar? No. It's actually Jonathan Ross, who's James. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jonathan is someone who is so direct and never causes offence.

And I don't know how he does it. And so I often say to him, so I'll say, for example, oh, I've just said I can't make it and told them the reason. and I'm feeling guilty and he'll say, that's great, you're getting there. It's like he mentors me. And he says, next time, don't give a reason. But this is the thing that I actually think is key to it, because I think it's about doing it with confidence.

Because the issue is I'm so anxious about doing it. But if you were just like, so let's say you brought something up with me that I didn't want to talk about, it's so much benefit of being like, oh, I don't really want to talk about that, rather than being like, oh, and it's, so actually, so I probably don't, do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's so much easier and clean.

I'm sensing that you're uncomfortable and I don't know why. Yeah. And I think it's so true. It's that thing of just saying, just get it out. Yeah. But you know what? You're so likable and I don't want you to lose that. No, well, but you haven't lost it.

And if you're saying you're getting better at it. Can we just lose all the prior bit and it's just you saying you haven't lost it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, sir, you haven't lost it. Harry, can ask you? I often ask this question. I've got two I'm going to ask you before I let you go. Okay.

Because I feel like I wish I was stuck in a bubble with you because you're such a lovely man. That's so nice. Well, the feeling is very mutual. Really, really. I felt so happy I've met you. And we've been in a little bubble in Clissal Park for the best part to add. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. It's been wonderful. Out of everyone you work with, you know, because you've worked with huge Hollywood stars, you work with, who has inspired you? You know, some people say that it's important to look at someone,

at someone who's doing your job at the very top and is maybe older and more experienced and very well known and think I want whenever I get offered a job I'm going to think what would that person do so Jonathan Ross used to say about Letterman he'd say what would Letteman do this who's the person you think of as your sort of creative mentor I've got it I'm not sure if I'd say yeah well I basically I've got such an easy answer which is that I was very lucky to work with Jessica Gunning on the Outlaws and she is But the thing is, I've never met someone that can say a bad word against her because she is so wonderful. Firstly, without saying, obviously, incredibly talented, all this stuff.

Very lucky that she's become a proper friend. But she's also was just like so everyone on set just loved working with her because she was so such a team player. And I think that's what I'd like to do. I think that's what I, if that was like a legacy, if you could pick any legacy, it would be that. Like, just like, yeah. And I think she's so testament. She would stay behind after sex. She just loved watching how things were working and asking questions about things.

I'm so glad to hear that because she's such a nice, she's such a brilliant actor. And just, yeah. And this is the last thing I'm going to ask you. Often ask people, what do you most hope that people would say about you when you leave a room? And what do you worry that they'd say? So let's start with the mean one. What do you fear people would say about you when you leave a room? They'd say, Harry, he's very.

You know what? I think it would be like, I think it's that classic thing from childhood being like, oh, a bit annoying. It's annoying, right? That would devastate. It's like, you know, when your parents, like, you tell you to stop showing off, it would be that, it's still that fear. It would be like, oh, he's a bit annoying, a bit of much. What do you heard, though, today? God, he smelled good.

Yeah, that would be amazing. Or just like, you know what? Jesus grace, he's so hot. I'd love that. That would be great. Wouldn't that be fantastic? Roman, is that what you're going to say? He just whispered it.

Very quietly it wasn't on mic, but he did say that. He actually went a little bit too far, Roman, but I'll forgive you. Harry, we love meeting you. Have you enjoyed it? I've loved it so much. Honestly, whenever you want me back for another dog walk, I'm there in an instant. I really, really loved it. Well, honestly, I cannot tell you how much we've enjoyed it.

And you and Raymond, a bit of an old couple, but that's kind of why I love it. Perfect. It works perfectly. You work so well. Yeah. Would you end up getting a Raymond? Yeah, probably that one. I'll probably take this one. This Roman sold.

Bye, Harry. Bye. What voice would you give Raymond? It was love I don't meet you. What, it was just time to be your life. Do you think it would be more plummy than that? It'd be like, so nice to see you. Sloaneu.

Oh, so lovely to see you, sweets. Oh, okay, bye gorgeous. I think he was a bit more size. What can I do for you? what can I do for you? He got the part. Goddammer. Bye. Bye. I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog.

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