Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Jodie Kidd (Part One)

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

This week Emily and Ray head to the Surrey-Sussex border for a countryside stroll with supermodel, racing driver, businesswoman and pub owner Jodie Kidd, joined by her two adorable dachshunds, Dave and Dutton.Jodie chats to Emily about being discovered on a beach at just 15 and suddenly launched into the world of high fashion, going on to work with the likes of Alexander McQueen and Chanel. She also opens up about stepping away from modelling at the height of her fame and throwing herself into a completely different passion: motor racing.They also talk about Jodie’s love of dogs and her involvement with Goodwoof, the annual dog celebration held at the Goodwood estate. This year’s event features everything from dog yoga and behavioural talks to the gloriously named Ministry of Hound disco, with Jodie joining the judging panel for the stylish dog-and-owner competition, Chien Charmant. Goodwoof takes place on May 16th and 17th and tickets are available at https://www.goodwood.com.It’s a warm, funny and wonderfully relaxed walk with someone who’s clearly lived several fascinating lives already, plus two dachshunds who nearly gave everyone a heart attack when one briefly wandered off mid-walk.Follow Emily:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emilyrebeccadeanX: https://twitter.com/divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Will NicholsMusic: Rich JarmanArtwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Were you natural? Or did it take your while? I mean it's not. I don't know. Just one foot in front of the other. This week on walking the dog, Ray and I went for a stroll with supermodel, racing driver, businesswoman and country pub owner, Jodie Kidd and her two adorable Daxons,

Dave and Dutton. So we met Jody at the National Trust Beauty Spot, Blackdown on the Surrey, Sussex border, and we had the loveliest chat about everything from being discovered by a photographer on a beach at the age of 15 and propelled into an international modelling career and going on to work with everyone from Alexander McQueen to Chanel. We also chatted about the pressures that came with that career

and how she pretty much stepped away from it all at the height of her fame in her early 20s. But she went on to throw herself into a new passion, motor racing, competing in high-profile events and becoming a hugely respected figure in the race. racing world. And she's clearly someone who thrives on challenges, as she's also competed on everything from Strictly Come Dancing to Celebrity Master Chef. Jody is also completely obsessed with dogs, so much so that she's taking part this year in Goodworth, an annual event celebrating dogs that

takes place at the Goodwood Estate. I've been myself with Ray and I genuinely can't recommend it enough. There's over 50 events to take part in, from dog yoga to talks from vets and behavioural specialists. There's even a dog disco called the Ministry of Hound. And one of my favourite events is the competition to find the most stylish dog and owner pairing. It's called Shan Charmont and Jodie will be on the judging panel this year. So I'm not going to lie, I think Ray and I might have to enter. So if you fancy a fabulous day out with your dog on Saturday the 16th or Sunday the 17th of May, do book your tickets to Goodworth now at goodwood.com. Ray and I absolutely loved our walk with Jody. She's so open and warm and easy to talk to. And she's also, I

discovered, when her little dog Dutton went wandering off at one point, and thank God we found him, completely unflappable in a crisis. In fact, Ray and I love Jody and her dog so much. We're definitely planning a visit to her pub, the Half Moon Inn in West Sussex. And Ray will be demanding his usual, a tankard full of treats. Really hope you enjoy our walk. Here's Jody and Dave and Dutton and Ray Ray. Judy, what a beautiful part of the world. This is very, very special. Isn't it lovely?

This is where Tennyson used to have a house. Is that right? I used to do a lot of his writing. It's very beautiful. We're going to take you up to this point where you get to see pretty much well. We should be able to see all the way to Goodwood. Wow. Well, I'm very excited because we are going to be talking about Goodwood.

Yes. And you and I are going to bond over dogs. I can tell. Oh god, yeah. Because you're a genuine dog person. Yes. And we should say we're in, can we say where we are? We are. We're in Blackdown, which is a beautiful, it's one of the highest points in Sussex. I just double check that. It's not sorry we're in Sussex. And it's kind of you've got Hazelmere just there. It's basically a bit of the kind of north downs. Yeah. And you can see I'm going to take you up to this point where you can see over to the South Downs and it's a very very beautiful walk and we're going to go to an area it's called the Valley of the

winds or something very dramatic like that and you've turned up can I say you've also I mean I'm not surprised this is Jody kid but I'm not surprised you've got the most chic countrywear. I can see a Holland and Cooper camouflage jacket which I'm obsessed by. And my wellies. Are they Holland Cooper? Yes. And Jade's

wonderful friend. And she owns? She's the person behind it. And I went to her the lovely place Dunkerton's because a friend of mine is there where it's her partner isn't it? Because otherwise we'll be out here till dark. Yes, Jade and Julian

she's done fantastic. And I, gosh, I remember Jade when she had very small little stands at horse shows, because that was where she first originated, was doing all the horse shows and is stuck very much to that area, which is what I think everyone really loves now, which is kind of like country chic. Yeah, well, you look fabulous in it. Can I just say, I love you already, because you're very decisive. Just now, I was being quite London, just like I was standing around in the coffee shop chatting and you went,

come on, we'll be out here till midnight if we don't go. I like that. Yeah, we have. I think you're quite a decisive person. And I need that in my life, Jodie. When you have animals and horses and, you know, you have to become a little bit kind of organised, especially with horses. So, yeah, it's a bit part of my...

And let's meet the real styles of the show today. Yeah, here they are. Your two beautiful Daxons, do you want to formally introduce me? Yes, well, we've got the older brother there, who's Dave. Dave. And Dave is coming up to about a year and a half, maybe two. And then we've got Dutton, his younger brother, but from a different litter. Yeah.

And he is eight months. and this is his first time on Blackdown. So this is a big moment. Dustin! His first big, proper walk. Have you always loved Daxons, Jody? No, no. So is this a recent thing?

It's been a recent thing. Unfortunately, I've got their dad, who is the most amazing, my first Daxon called Didi, and he did his back, unfortunately, at the beginning of the year. They're quite prone to that sometimes, aren't they? V-D-D. Yeah, very, very horrible, just kind of, I don't know, just breeding. It's a new, you know,

I'm new to Daxon, so I've had, oh my God, I've had everything from working dogs, you know, from collies to Spaniels to Labrador's, Retrievers, Jack Russell's. Yes, I see you with a Labrador. Yeah. Classic Labrador. And a Volvo. And I had never had a Daxon until I got D-D about and he's three coming up four yeah and then learn obviously the hard way about the breed and about how they've got weak points in their in their back so unfortunately he got taken off to the super vet the brilliant knolfix Patrick lovely no i've had him on this podcast what a charming man he is absolutely and he's so cares about animals isn't it yeah so anyway so he's at home he's still in physio and kind of resting and he hasn't he's not completely paralyzed but he's got kind

of I'd say not a hundred percent in his yeah mobility is an issue challenge for him yes yeah well I do I brought her Ray is getting on a bit now and the reason I'm carrying him for this period yes is because he will slow us down Jodie he's got little legs he's got little legs but not just the little legs come on little hairy guys aren't exactly Jody kid are they on the legs front but they have a sense of purpose whereas Ray well literally treats walking I always say it's like he's browsing in Zara yeah he's just gonna oh what's this he's never really mastered the concept of a walk that is brilliant so for now I'm not I'm gonna let him see the view yeah no we'll be out of

the woodland soon and it opens up to this beautiful track pacey don't they these dogs yeah they're brilliant the thing is with With Daxons, if you want a very chill day at home or you're on front of the computer or, you know, poorly in bed or whatever, they'll just snuggle up to you. But if you want to go out for a lovely long walk, you know, the real true houndiness will come out. Oh, yeah. So they kind of like, they're the perfect dog for. Isn't it sweet they have each other as well, these two? I know.

And normally we'd have dad, but. Dad's having a little bit of me time at home. Dad's having a bit of R&R. So I want to, we are going to be talking about dogs a lot more because of your association with the wonderful Goodworth, which I, we love that event, don't we? Yes, we do. And I can't wait to talk about that. Yeah. But I want to go back first about your kind of origin story a bit. Yeah. Presidably first with dogs because you grew up kind of around here, didn't you? I did. Born and bred in kind of the Surrey Sussex border. Yeah. And went to school in Midhurst. then went to my big school, St Michael's in Petworth.

So this is really my stomping ground. And your, was your dad, he was a sort of businessman, but he was a polo player? He was a polo player. He was a show jumper. Oh, he was a show jumper. The dad is a show jumper. Yeah, he was on the British team. So was he like one of those Rupert Campbell Black?

Well, they do say. Jolie, what do they say? character was it was might have been might have been used oh I'm so jealous I wish that was my dad yeah he's he's he's definitely very dashing but amazingly capable and brilliant rider and yeah very very special human but yeah so that's why and what about your mom was she a homemaker or did she the most amazing homemaker yeah just well she had you were five kids so that's uh that's a that's handful, quakey, I've got one and I'm exhausted. So yes, she was just the most wonderful mama, you know, just keeping, keeping care and an eye on all of us. And it's your sister?

Gem Gem, Gem. She's my older sister. Well, mum was married before and had Debbie and Darcy and then married Dad and had Jack Gemma and me. I'm the baby of the five. So Gem's, it's, it's, the the the the the the should we say two point two yeah i'm two point three jack's two point one so are you very close to your siblings very i feel like you were yeah yeah i've always had that impression yeah isn't that nice yeah it's great of course you know you have your wonderful family fallouts and whatnot along life's highway you have but you know what's interesting i always think it's a sign of good parenting if siblings have a good relationship yeah yeah yeah what I mean yeah yeah yeah but it's um life's got its ups and downs and of course never easy um

but yeah we're we're very very very close and what was the atmosphere like in your house was it quite lively and very busy and full house and people dropping in and always food on the table and we didn't if we were seven or 17. I like that. Always an open, open house and lots of friends and lots of family and just real hustle and action packed. Yeah. You know, always people going off and doing things and so yeah, it was a, it was a lovely, lovely childhood. Boarding school, not so much. Did you not understand? Did you not that so much? Well, I don't know, I don't think many kids do really. But it was that kind of, you know, it was the 80s. Kids should be seen and not heard. Yeah. And so boarding

school was kind of like the norm for kind of that era, I think, if you could afford it, that's, you know, your child got sent off. And that was very much a kind of, well, I suppose it was also that's what you sort of did. It was kind of not something that you really questioned, you know. Yeah. And when I say it's what you sort of did exactly, I mean, if you're from, you know, if culturally you've been raised in that way.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. It just feels like, okay, ball and school now. Everyone was doing it. I think my brother was at boarding school at seven, which is something that, my God, with my little lad thinking of him going off, he's 14 now and I still miss him during the day.

he's a day boy day boy day day boy yeah um anyway who was that kind of era and uh got a generation of people with abandonment issues all do you have to do is just make sure you earn sufficient money to be able to take for a therapist for your older that's what i say to my parents but you sent me to a part i appreciate you spent money on my education yeah But the good news is that's allowed me to get a job where I can pay for my therapy. I know. Dad always says what a biggest he worked nonstop, absolutely nonstop to afford our school fees. And he kind of makes a bit of a family joke about it now that Jack went through all the way through kind of boarding school and came away with one GCSE, which was an A in art.

Jen went all the way through, got one GCSE, which is a B and Ard. And I did exactly the same and just got it. I got a C inard. So my dad was like, well, that was the biggest waste of money ever. You see, that's really interesting. You're saying your dad worked really hard, which I think a lot of people would look at you and think, oh, she's from a sort of aristocracy, very posh, trust funds. And then that's interesting what you say about your dad, that he was sort of, you know,

know hard-working guy yeah absolutely no no no and a lot of kind of like old country families don't have you know they might have lands and houses but they're actually very you know cash flow can be tight yeah exactly so you know we didn't grow up in big estates we just had a you know a lovely kind of family home and then dad just had this love of horses so we were bought up on a horse farm for my grandmother so the the horses were kind of just in our DNA but I mean you know you used to have to kind of bring horses on and make them and sell them to afford the feed to get to the shows and things like that so it wasn't all you know just just huge budgets it was you know everyone worked very hard and what were you

like as a kid were you always naughty were you naughty Jody yeah very were you were you the naughty one out of all your family then? No, my brother's pretty naughty and my sister was naughty. Yeah, we were all kind of like little terrors. Yeah, we were. Absolutely nightmare. What sort of naughty things would you do? Oh. I mean, we were just kind of like loud and and always getting into trouble and doing things climbing trees, escaping, you know, going off. I used to have a little little pony and I used to just disappear all day and go exploring for like 10 hours and most people are having like heart failures and I'd just come back appear so they're always quite adventurous yes yes yes I'm just checking this right way very very adventurous and very I think the youngest of five yeah

I was very independent yeah and you know had to had to have grown up conversations at an early age around the, you know, around the dinner table and things like that. So that's why modelling was, I was fine at 15, you know, just kind of getting in a plane and flying off and disappearing. And I was very kind of mature for my age. Well, I was going to say, did you have, did you come from the sort of family? Because when I was growing up, my parents were very sort of, I suppose they were quite literary, a bit bohemian, and they would always, yeah, they were quite cool. I only realise that

now, Jody. Do you find you only realise as you get older? Oh my parents are quite cool. Amazing. You only, I realised we didn't really have separate children's time. It was like so-and-so's coming around for dinner, we would just sit with them even with children. Did you have a similar thing? Well, I mean, to a certain point, I think when we were much smaller, you know, we used to all get kind of put in a room and kind of that's where we would have our have our dinners. Yeah. And then when we got a bit older, you can kind of join the table. But I mean, that would have been only when we were really small. But we were probably eating much earlier than the parents anyway. Did you have nannies? We had, did have someone, but someone that would kind of help

with the driving, because when you've got five kids and you've taken them all to schools here, there and everywhere and horse shows and my brother was from an early age was representing england for polo my sister was representing england for dressage i was a show jumper so we were like full on so we had people to support the kind of getting everyone to wherever they need to be and helping so yeah and then nanny's i think possibly coming in and out but not really. We have, we just had a big family. Yeah. So, you know, my older sister and older brother, they were always at home.

So it was kind of like a bit of that. But there was definitely always a help around whether that was. I'm going to have to pick him up to see what I mean. Is that the pace he goes? Oh my gosh, he's so glamorous. It reminds me of a bantam chicken. Oh, do you know what? furry feet. This little one, this little dog view is so cute. He keeps looking back. I know. He's desperate to be friends. Yeah, it's so, it reminds me of me at school, at the girl's school. Yeah, he's desperate. Isn't he? You're desperate to be friends. Oh, I love this dog. He's a good boy. Come on, Rayman, you're doing very well. Are you going to walk with Jody? Come on, get your little fluffy feet going. Oh, typical, getting in with the supermodel. He is very gorgeous. Do you think so, Do you think he's absolutely beautiful? He's very old. He's very old. He's very old.

But you know, I went for him because he was odd. I like he didn't look like any of the other shih Tzu's. They were all much more traditional black and white or brown and white. He was totally brown hair. It was all this long thick hair. He was weird and I thought, I want the weird one. Yeah. Come on weird one.

Yeah. I'm getting, he's kind of like a Bantam cross eWalk. He's like, so. Oh dear. You're pretty young, as everyone knows. knows this about you. Well, not anymore. Well, no, you were pretty young.

I'm going to pick you up, Ray. You're going to slow us down. You were pretty young, Jody, when you were discovered. I wonder if you go to the left or the right. Which one? Two roads, two roads. Two roads. Two identical roads.

Let's take this one. Yes, we take this one. Yeah. Because you can see this is the kind of the north downs here. Oh my God, it's so amazing. You can normally see for miles. It's a bit hazy to do. hazy today but yeah pretty pretty young modelling started modelling you were

15 when you were discovered yeah and you were on a beach in Barbados well we used to my grandmother moved because she had terrible asthma really bad asthma almost killed her a few times and the doctor said because she lived in Surrey on on this very clay ground and it used to get very wet and in the winter she used to get terrible asthma And so she said you should spend, try to get to the heat, go to somewhere warm for the winter. And so she moved to Barbados. Yeah, so at that time she had a friend staying with her. Yeah.

And she said, I'm going, I'm off on this, not cruise, you didn't have cruise, I suppose it was a boat. Yeah. And I'm going to go and just explore the Caribbean. And they ended up in Barbados and my grandmother fell in love with it. This was probably the early 50s. And she bought a place out there. So it was always our... I love for your grandmother.

Yeah, she was fabulous woman. She sounds amazing. They used to call her Bodie, because she used to be like Bodicea. Tall. I bet she had some fancy jewels. Well, she was Lord Beaverbrook's daughter, so that was where the...

Because we should say, is that your great-grandfather? Great-grandfather. Who was Lord Beaverbrook, who started the Express? Yes. Which was the most... Mass, I mean, that had the bigger circulation in the world at a time.

It did. And he was very instrumental during the wars. He was Minister of Aircraft Production during the Second World War. He was a minister for Churchill, wasn't? He was part of the cabinet. How amazing to have someone like that as your great grandfather? Because he was meant to be an amazing man. Terrifying.

Do you think, yeah, he would have been. And he was tiny, he has a very small man. And then suddenly all those great-grandchildren, all these absolute kind of ginormous giants. But yeah, most people, he used to terrify most people. But, you know, we were in war. And he was just very good at dealing with a lot of shit that was going on. And is that on your mum's side? That's dad's side.

That's your dad's side. Yeah. So that explains why your dad as well. so sort of I wonder if that's a genetic thing kind of entrepreneurial and getting on with things and always busy. Do you know what I mean? Yeah yeah yeah yeah so she was she kind of grew up in the 30s and the 40s and this is the grandma yeah his daughter bodice yeah it yes very kind of glamorous kind of going through the 20s and 30s. Princess Margaret very very yeah she knew her well um so they had, you know, this very extraordinary kind of time where he was, you know, a big

newspaper. Yeah. Kind of, um, not baron. What did you got? Yeah, it's a baron, isn't it? Yeah. Well, I think he was. Yeah.

I'm not that I'm telling you. It's your great grandfather. I just know as Lord. Lord. He was baron. Yeah. Right. So, but, you know, this was all because, you know, he was, he was, I think during one

of the wars he was kind of in charge of propaganda right because the express was was such a big newspaper and you know when I think well this is two when the Germans were really about on our shores and it was just terrible and we were losing so many um soldiers and it was just really quite terrifying and you know the Germans had taken over literally the whole of europe all the way up to I mean, we all know the history, and were very, very close and morale was very, very low. And so he started all these amazing kind of campaigns through the newspaper and a bit kind of like just trying to get morale and everything back up and make do to mend. And he did all of the sauce pan. So he got everyone to, someone's going to have to correct me if this is wrong.

but I believe you got like everyone to put in sauce pans to help with building spitfires. Wow. None of the pans had any any material. I think I don't know if they were staying still in those days. Couldn't, couldn't, weren't used for making any spitfires. They apparently had warehouses full of pots and pans that were found towards the end of the wall, never got used but it was because I think we have gone wrong

it doesn't matter. That's all right. It doesn't matter. I like it. We're getting to see it. It's so beautiful up here. Isn't it? Oh I love it. I love the little Daxon the golden paws are so beautiful aren't they? Do they sleep on your bed the dogs? Of course they do. She drives my fiance absolutely uproar. Oh congratulations. Thank you. What does your part? Does your part

Is your partner a dog person? He does, but not to the point of having three Daxons on your bed. But they have got baskets everywhere, but they do. You can feel them kind of clamber up in the night. How could you not have them on the bed? I love the Daxons because I've always had a sort of slightly bit of a Kim Kardashian bum. Sadly before it was fashionable. Now, I'm grateful for it.

And Daxons have got a bit of junk in the trunk. Dunk in the trunk? Junk in the trunk, it's called. That's when you've got a big bottom. Oh, yeah, they've got, oh, yes. And I like that. They're definitely a bit of, they're very now. Well, Dave has.

Dave's definitely got a Kim Kaye butt going on. So, we should get back to Barbados. So anyway, I'm going off in a million tangents. No, but it's fascinating. I mean, how many, going off in a million tangents, your great-grandfather's Lord Beaverbrook, that is fascinating to me. But she was, she was an amazing, amazing woman.

Yeah. Really refined woman of a certain era that you don't really get anymore. She was tough, tough as hell. I bet she was. And she used to drive horses. That's why they called her Bodicea. And she used to go in these big competitions and would drive four horses and do cross-country and do very big endurance races.

And, yeah, tough, tough, tough. Got married quite a few times. I think we can come around here. I'm just going to double check. This is definitely a new. It's probably going to add a bit of... That's all right. Let's cut to the beach in Barbados.

You're on the beach? Oh yeah. No, my mum's friend was a lovely lady called Lorraine Ashton who ran a model agency. So that was where I was just going from ponies, show jumping, every weekend, and I was like starting up a little business. and I would get youngsters, bring them up through the stages, and then would sell them,

and then that would give us enough money to buy the next youngster. And I was just going up to horses. So at a certain age at 15, you can't ride ponies anymore. So I just bought my first horse, youngster. and I only had like a little horse trailer like for a pony size and he kept on rubbing his tail and I needed some money to buy a lorry, a bigger lorry

and obviously didn't have it and my mum said look why don't you try some modelling Lorraine's been pestering me for ages every time she sees you who's a very tall weird looking adrogynous should we say and I thought well I can you know give it a go but I was living in the country and kind of

would just jump on a train and come to take some pitches and I oh girl within six months I was in New York I was yeah it was a very quick fast trajectory in the modelling industry and I just I kind of just rode that wave and I had to kind of give up my passion to follow my dad's footsteps and be an Olympic show jumper. And it was, was it Terry O'Neill? Was he involved?

Terry was Lorraine's partner? Yeah, boyfriend. So he was a really famous photographer, we should say. I mean, everyone from the Beatles to the Stones. And he took that incredibly famous photo of Fay Donaway, didn't he? He did. Posing after the Oscars.

If you haven't seen it, you should go and look at it. Because it's a great picture. She's by the swimming pool. Yes. round of our newspapers with this her Oscar yeah Academy Award from Network yeah and yeah so was Terry O'Neill who was this well he came and took some pictures right and that was the kind of the beginning of my portfolio and it happened I feel like it happened very quickly for you didn't it yeah very like months yeah oh I was yeah I was to kind of uh in New York for fashion week very

quickly, which was a real eye-opener. What do you mean? Well, it was just a, you know, country girl, getting up and mucking my horses out and exercising and training and going to shows in a lorry, sleeping in a lorry, cooking baked beans on toast in a lorry. And then next thing, I'm kind of opening Bagley-Mushka in New York with all the super's still around. So, yeah, it was all a bit overwhelming.

How did you learn, Jody? Do you learn on the job with things like how to walk and do you get taught them? Yeah, I got trained in New York. Were you natural or did it take your walk along? I mean it's not no difficult. Just like one foot in front of the other. But I suppose it's a charisma thing, isn't it? Yeah, you get a swagger and yeah. But yeah, I was kind of trained. I remember staying in a hotel and, oh God, what's his name is?

absolutely amazing. So Jay Alexander, I think he came along and put some books on my head and stormed me up and down the hotel corridor. So yeah, and then that was it. I just, my life was suddenly became just living on a 747. But that seems mad now that you were so young. I was a baby, but I loved it. You were like 16? I loved it. Yeah. Being like we say you were 16 and yeah backstage and yeah oh my gosh kind of what an amazing time to be a part of that world. Oh my God, extraordinary. I always think Diet Coke Marlboro lights and champagne. Absolutely that was all we had backstage. Yeah. Was champagne and and yeah we all smoked a lot of cigarettes. So yeah it was just that kind of 90s. Yeah. It was just an. everything British was amazing, you know, from Oasis to Alexander Queen and John

Galliano and Patman Graf. And you did, Lee McQueen's like one of those really seminal shows, didn't he? Yeah, all those early shows. So there was like this horde of wonderful British 90s, you know, just a lot of fun. Yeah. So it was it was an amazing experience where I was such a kind of baby at that point. You know, I didn't I was just riding the wave. Let's go this way. We took the low road. You need to take the high road.

So who stood out as being particularly helpful to you then? Oh, helpful. Supportive. Oh, my agent, Jonathan Pang. He was the best. And, um, oh Tennyson. You see Tennyson's cup up. Oh yeah.

Tennyson's lane. I mean, Tennyson, you know you've made it with. you've got a car park way that and then you're exactly and he's got his house was just on the back there stunning oh wow um yeah Jonathan was very he was my protector he traveled everywhere with me because you do need i suppose when you're a kid essentially yeah well i mean you know there was quite a few jobs that i didn't he couldn't travel with me but um you know like some one day in a beach off the Mexico coasting a shoot there then you're in Japan the next day then you're New York walking down and catwalk the day after that it was just absolutely

bonkers yes but amazing amazing amazing wouldn't have changed anything really learned a lot yeah but that's for life I'm still learning so as long as you when you make a mistake you know you learn and you don't do it again which I've had to learn quite well with racing cars. How did you deal with how did you find fame though? I think it wasn't too foreign with having your great grandfather only one of the biggest newspapers in the world. So you know it was we were in newspapers before that you know my dad was in newspapers by my sister's godfather was a guy called Nigel

or Dempster, who was a very famous, yeah, kind of gossip columnist. And so it wasn't too... So the media didn't seem such an alien? No. And I kind of knew that not to pay too much attention. And to be honest, I was never really... I was never one to go and buy all the newspapers in the morning and kind of trawl through them to see who was what and where.

So it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't too much of a shock. Well, I think looking back though, Jody, it's interesting looking back on that now, having lived through that era myself. And I worked in, you know, I was deputy editor in a magazine called Instyle. Yes. It's like I saw it. But you know, Jody, I look back on that and I think it was kind of a shitty time to be a woman in a way. Oh, bloody horrendous.

You know, when I think you got basically bled. I feel for the fact that sort of heroine she and grunge had come in yeah there was that and there was a whole that anorexia is there anything because we were doing we were literally in newspapers from kate myself and you know this is kate moss well yeah like every single day that anything that was negative yeah used to be somehow associated with us being a bad influence in some kind of way or you you know, the pop stars or... But it was, I tell you, the horrible thing was just the press intrusion of kind of like sitting at home and having someone leaning over your fence and taking pictures of you in your garden and kind of chasing you down motorways.

And bear in mind you're a teenage girl. Oh, little, yeah. I was like, but literally been chased by men. By men. In cars, down the M4, getting home. anywhere I'd go there'd be here we start getting the good views. Wow. Yeah I mean if I wasn't the youngest of five if I hadn't had Lord Beaverbrook and had a number of these things that built my kind of resistance and

resiliency resilience yeah resilience I think I would have been quite a mess but that's the most fabulous thing I'm so jealous you get to say that look if I hadn't had Lord Bieberbrook that's very cool yeah but I can see it must have been it just felt it's only when we look back on that now that we can see that actually we know and particularly someone who worked in that industry I know that you make a choice how someone looks in a shoot oh god you're styling it's lighting it's makeup oh yeah the whole heroine chic it was that whole era of Anne de Milumeister and Helmut Lang and dark eyes.

And they'd just come off the back of supers, which was all healthy, busty, beautiful, you know, hippie, sexy, sexy. And then we came into this kind of adrogynous kind of waify kind of era. You know, and especially Alexander McQueen's first ever big show was called Highland Rape. You know, and things like that. So it was all heavy. And when we went on to shoots, they didn't want, you know, hands on hips and stick your tits and teeth.

It was like sitting a drungy little corner. It was all the arms over each other. Yeah, exactly. It was all dark lighting, dark, heavy makeup. Yeah. You know, the clothes were all quite full on. So it was just that era. And we just got told to turn up and did what we were told and then left and went on to the next.

shoot. So after we were talking about just that pressure I think and it really was a pressure. Well I then yeah when I got turned on by the by the by the press which I suppose would be kind of like council culture in this. That's what it felt like Jody. Was it just endless was it headlines saying brutal. Were you looking thin saying yeah but I was also really suffering at that point because I had glandular fever. I was working too hard. I was literally like as I said every day in a different continent, let alone country. And then I got poorly with glandular fever and then I started getting anxiety and I didn't know what was going on with me because no one knew what anxiety was and I would just be walking down a catwalk. My palms would start sweating. My heart rate

would go up and I couldn't breathe and I was like and I think that was because I was aware of of getting so much negative press at home that I thought everyone was kind of staring at me and judging me and so I started getting anxiety anxiety was now I'm a blinking expert in it but obviously you're in fight or flight yeah then I was constantly in flight so I had you know terrible problem sleeping so I had like insomnia and then the last thing you want to do is go and sit for a great big meal and eat when you're just constantly on edge and so I kind of started spiraling I was not eating not sleeping them working still like crazy there's a part of you like presumably you're getting thinner as well

oh yeah and then you're getting more work I know was that true don't don't ask but anyway I mean I was just going I was in this kind of just state of panic for a long time until I kind of cracked and said I never want to model again for the rest of my life and retired. Did you walk? Did you sort of walk off a runway? Yeah I did I was in Milan. And what happened? You just a massive panic attack walking down the catwalk massive like terrifying and I did I went to doctors I couldn't I didn't understand what was going on and when you have anxiety and you get a panic attack you think you're going to die. You know you really think you're going to have a heart attack and die and it's quite terrifying being in your kind of

early 20s and thinking you're going to die at any moment. Did you just turn and walk down the other end of the runway? I just couldn't breathe. The whole room was collapsing in on me. I just, yeah, I didn't even make it towards the end of the cow. I just kind of stopped halfway and ran, ran to the airport. Is that something out of a film, isn't it? Never did another catwalk.

Not really. It was just, you know, I was young and I was just tired and had this horrible. you know, abuse coming from newspapers and and, you know, I was never, I mean, even here, there'd be someone popping out in a bush somewhere. I was never not being stalked or, and so yeah, it just got to breaking point, or my body just got to breaking point and just went, you can't do this anymore. And I had a very active, healthy, gorgeous childhood. I was, you know, representing the county in every single thing from athletics to swimming, to lacrosse to, I was, you know, doing my show jumping fit as a fiddle, riding horses every day and then suddenly went to no fitness, not eating well because when you're traveling, nowadays, nowadays you have, you know, you can go to Pret-a-Monger and get a nice salad or you can get, you know, the only fast food we had.

Oh, it's McDonald's, Burger King. Donald's or so I was piling my body full of probably crap food which we all now know the importance of eating well and you didn't have supplements in those days and what happened when you came home and you said I've had enough what did your parents say what was there they were I mean always they're very supportive yeah they lived in a different country they were abroad yeah so I just sold my place in London yeah moved out to Wilkshire started of riding horses and growing my own veg and eating properly and just kind of looking after myself and slowly kind of started healing myself but isn't that amazing that you had the instinct to leave stopped yeah i was no i was like my i could not do it was so terrifying yeah to go to go to do a job and have to sleep like to fly to paris now to know that i've got a big shoot day tomorrow and I knew I wasn't going to sleep awake. And then because of anxiety.

Well, I just was, you know, I just knew I wasn't going to sleep. I had insomnia and I was just like, so that then creates even more panic and more drama and more, you know, so it just got to the point where I couldn't leave home. I didn't want to leave to do work unless I flew in and out. Yeah, so it was my body just went, uh-uh. And you were pretty young. It's amazing to think what. impact you had culturally when you think... Oh God.

Do you know, does that make you feel uncomfortable? No. But when you think you were 21, 22 when you walked away from it, so it's really only seven years, wasn't it? Yeah. It was a whirlwind of seven years. Yeah. I'd like to say I have kind of more impact when I started racing cars and really flying

the flag for women and doing things later on in my life. And that, in the modelling, I was just... I mean, did some beautiful shoots and amazing catwalk shows. But that was, it was something, and I always kind of believe this, that, you know, I was bought up on a farm. Yeah. Where if you put 110% in, you're going to get 110% out of your animal, of growing things, of, you know, anything like that. And modeling, you could turn up, you could be on time, you could be perfect, everything would be, and you just wouldn't get the job. and I it was kind of like a very interesting thing to learn at a young age a lot of rejection

yeah um and a lot of i i can't how do i do these better i'm used to i'm used to if my horse wasn't performing i would train i would train it i would train it i would be out there non-stop schooling it until i got it better so i my whole kind of brain worked with kind of you have to put the in to get things out and with modelling you didn't get there was someone else's control and so I get that I can totally see that and how amazing you suddenly this pivot you made into racing and cars and yeah I started riding again I really missed horses and the power of horses and especially where's Dutton oh shit Dutty oh Dutty where did you go within the

big dogs and then you were all terrified. Oh dear. Oh dear. Dutton, come here. We were so wung Dutty. So Jody and I just suddenly turned round and we couldn't see Dutton anywhere. We passed two walkers with big dogs. And what happened? I think he must have seen the dog and probably run off in the opposite direction and then we just would talk of press and heavy heavy chat and then probably done half a mile before we realised he wasn't there oh booboo so did you get that feeling I got that sick feeling

like when you're a child and you're lost in the supermarket did you feel are you quite calm pretty good under disasters yes you're quite calm I was calculating in my head what to do and like you said who to phone I was going to phone Joe immediately

is Joe your partner yes Oh, I love this. Joe, one of those people, you can just really... He's ex-military, so he's ex-special forces. Oh, I'm saying. Why can't I get one of those? He would have been parachuting out on the Dutton hunt. I love an ex-special forces.

Yeah, he's amazing. So I want to talk a bit more about racing, and I also want to get onto your wonderful pub, which sadly isn't open today, because it's a post-bank holiday, but I'm definitely coming back, because I love the sound of it. Before we get to that, I do want to talk. as we're with your dogs about Goodworth, which is coming up. Yes.

I've been to Goodworth before. I absolutely loved it. Ray got looked after by some Norland manis. Oh yes. Which is the Richard had laid on very kindly for the dogs. It's an incredible day and we should explain what it is. It's kind of like Goodwood except it's for dogs. Yeah.

So if anyone's ever been to glorious Goodwood, which is the horse racing, which is just totally wonderfully fabulous and very, very, the way that the richmond's do things are very very classy yeah but understated all the cars racing everyone that goes has to be pre-1960s so everyone turns into you know like this glorious kind of gorgeous red lips and curled hair and beautiful outfits anything from the 20s 30s 40s even the ambulances are from 1940 and it's just an extraordinary kind of step back in time. Yeah.

And then they started doing a dog show, which I have to say is one of the best things ever. Yeah. So it's called Good Wolf. Yeah. And I think it's been going three years back, something like that. And they have this wonderful thing where I'm a judge and it's the chien de elegance. Chien Chalmond? Chant Chant d'Elegance.

So it's like the cars. Yeah. But you have an elegance class. But it's where the... So it's the most elegant charismatic dog. It's the owner that dresses up like the dogs and the dogs come in beautiful outfits and beautiful cuts and just, you know, look, crufts.

up the wazoo. And another way that I think getting lost, but it doesn't matter. We will find the tent of the winds. It's a special category, basically. Yes. So I judge it every year, and it is just... Who won last year?

Oh, I remember. This wonderful lady that was dressed in before T's. So is it the owner and the dog you're doing? Yes. Oh, okay. So it's got to be about the outfit that you wear as a human. Ray, shall we enter? I think you would do really well. I would do like a big sort of alpaca coat. Yes. You could do 60s. Like a big 60s. Like Anna Winter had one at the Met go last night. I'm going to go for that

Anna Wintel. Big coat. Yeah, the big coat. And then with Ray. I'm doing that, Jody. I'm doing that, Jody. I do. Well, I tell you, I know who my winner's going to be. You? Oh! I've got to end it. I'm sorry, I bribed the judge. I'm sorry, You've got to judge. What a fun thing to be part of? They have kind of like working dog categories up in the hills where you can take your dog and go and find things. You know, they do all the duck retrieval,

but not literally, you know, just like fake ducks. And then they have shows. They have beautiful kind of places. You can come and get your dogs groomed. You can, of course, the best and amazing trade stands with the most wonderful different people that got dog beds and dog food and oh do you name it it's just fabulous it's such an incredible day i went actually i've been there a couple of years running now and i just had the best time i so recommend it it is fabulous and can anyone with this shash on my competition can anyone enter or do they have to enter before

I think if you go on to the website I think you'll tell you exactly how to do it yeah um but we they run it over the three days yeah it's three days goodworth is it yeah temple of the winds we've made it oh oh lady slightly traumatic do you know i really feel like we've been through a lot we have we've walked about 47 000 miles lost a dog i really hope you love part one of this week's more the dog if you want to hear the second part of our chat it'll be out on Thursday so whatever you do don't miss it and remember to subscribe so you can join us on our walks every week