Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Jodie Kidd (Part Two)

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

In part two of Emily and Ray’s walk with the wonderful Jodie Kidd, the conversation heads further into Jodie’s life away from modelling, including her love of dogs, country life and the projects she’s most passionate about now. There’s also more from dachshunds Dave and Dutton, who very nearly stole the show entirely.If you haven’t already, do go back and listen to part one. And if you fancy a brilliant day out with your dog, Jodie will be taking part in Goodwoof at the Goodwood Estate on May 16th and 17th, celebrating all things canine. Tickets and information are available at https://www.goodwood.com.Follow Emily:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emilyrebeccadeanX: https://twitter.com/divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Will NicholsMusic: Rich JarmanArtwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to part two of Walking the Dog with the wonderful Jody Kid and her two adorable Daxons. Jody will be taking part in Goodwood this year, the annual event at Goodwood on May the 16th and 17th, celebrating dogs. So do book your tickets now at goodwood.com. Really hope you enjoy part two of our walk and do give us a like and a follow so you can catch us every week. Here's Jody and Dave and Dutton and Rayway. This is like a sundial. Goodwoods, yeah, it tells you where everything is. Ah, so you've got...

Devils Like, Crawley. Because I always get confused about this area. I feel like it's Sussex meet Surrey. Does that make sense? Yes, we are, we're exactly on the Surrey, Sussex border. So Arndor, Dunkton, Graffin. Because Devils like, so it's like Sussex. Yeah, so Midwood's up on that ridge there.

Then we've got the Devilsack, so you've got Hickstead directly in front of us. This is beautiful. You know, I always get into that fantasy. on moving out of London. When I come here, I was thinking... And this is so easy to get to. I think this might be the one. I'm sorry.

You can get to London immediately. Ray, can you not piss on the sunbowl, please? Yeah, you can normally see Gatwick through there. High Live White, sometimes you see through there. And then Goodwood's up on this ridge here. But this is just quintessential, beautiful Sussex with the gorgeous houses and it's just heaven this is this is England at its best it really is isn't it tell me a little bit about your pub because we'd love to go and

visit next time it's just over there you can't really see it but it's in Curdford which is just there which is just outside of Pepworth so I was born and bred kind of in basically where you can see and when I came back from Wiltshire to Sussex about 20 odd years ago. I just noticed all the lovely little pubs that we used to go to on a Sunday as a family and have roasts. And I remember sitting under the table

kind of like as my parents are having a lovely, lovely boozy Sunday roast and I used to often fall asleep under it. But that kind of lovely just feeling you had when you went to a pub and I just noticed all the pubs and little villages had gone and turned into houses and I didn't really understand the dilemma that the industry was in and that we were losing you know this is nine years ago we were losing like up to sorry I'm going to just took my thing in so it might be rustly that we were losing so many small independent country pubs rural pubs.

And what was that? Because was that even pre-COVID? Well, we've just been taxed so, so badly. I mean, even before COVID, before where we are now on the cost of living. And the tax, we were paying the highest alcohol tax. We were now in O after I bought the pub, but I wish I'd learned it before I bought the pub. You know, business rate tax were really high. It was just a very hard, I think it was a big strain on the smell.

when they cancelled the smoking. Oh yes, I imagine. A lot of pubs started suffering after that. And then it's just been slowly in decline. And they keep whacking up the alcohol rates. They keep whacking up. So, I mean, as I said, were the highest in the whole of Europe. And were you just, you went to this pub, so was it just the real...

So it was closed. And it was, I heard developers, and this was an old pub, and I went to it, gosh, the day after my 21st. That way. really good bloody marries and i um i heard it was closed i um developers were sniffing around they wanted to turn it into a house and i thought i'm going to try and save it for the community and i got some lovely mates and we all we all chipped in and ended up getting the half moon and when was that jody gosh about nine years ago so 2017 and you didn't really know anything about

nothing did you nothing did you understand how i wouldn't know how the brewer Like who do you ring? No idea. I only know it for me, Stenders, Mr. Wilmot Brown from the breweries on the front. I would have literally gone, hello, can I speak to Mr. Wilmot Brown? How do you know to do you think? I thought you had to go to like Tesco's to get a keg of beer. I was like absolutely no idea.

And because I'd been self-employed my whole life and modelling and kind of and motor racing. And I'd never worked in a whole team. I mean, obviously doing a shoot, you've got an amazing team, but like day in day out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. you know running a business running a business so i i spent good two years kind of gutting it and um and designing the menus getting the team in place you know um kind of designing the whole place i suppose that's quite useful because you've got a very strong visual aesthetic now as well so i guess that's quite you know you knew how you wanted it to look at everything oh definitely definitely

had had that and very expensive taste. I would go in to go and choose like butter knives. And for some reason, I chose the most expensive butter knife, which of course would like last like three seconds because everyone was like pocketing the buttons. But I saw these in the Chanel atelier. My investors were like going, you are not choosing any more plates, glasses and things that are removable because they're so expensive to replace. They shouldn't require crystal glasses. I know. People are terrible. I remember on our, oh, God, it was our first week of opening and I had this beautiful local lady because everything we use is in a 25 mile radius I'm a real supporter of our countryside and local farmers and producers so I wanted to really get everything that was local which is now everywhere and it's wonderful but there's this amazing artist and so she did she kind of loaned all these beautiful paintings for our opening and I had this bear this wonderful water, water-coloured bear in the men's loo.

And someone said, I think you need to go and check the men's loo. And some bugger had pulled the painting off the wall, had taken the print, rolled it up, obviously shoved it down his pants, and then put the back on and hung the painting up without the poor bear in it. A big level of that. What is wrong with people?

So I have learned a lot in that industry. Are you a bit Barbara Windsor then? Are you quite strict in your pub? Yeah, the first person I'd throw out was terrifying. What did you have to do? Would they just drive? He had a my pub. Imagine Jody Kidd's saying that to you die.

No, I did. I said, I think it's better. What did they say? They were having a fight. Yeah, and I have to. Of course it was. It was a man drinking. No offence, Will.

I love my producer, but he puts up with this. A low-level misandry sometimes. Yeah. No, but do you have to sometimes, that is a kind of a I remember I met I went up to do Candice who owned he was on the Bake Off and she'd bought a pub and she's just saying it's that thing she'd had to learn of like well I have to say there hasn't been too many bannings yeah because we're in a really lovely little village how do you say it though Jody if someone's

drunk do you just go I think you've had enough now yeah it's time we're going to get your cab home you know good one we'll get you a cab home yeah because we know pretty much everyone I've had men say that to me at the end of relationships I think we've had enough I'll get you a cab home the ultimate ultimate do you want a black cab at least with that's off and the blow of it if I'd like it you and you should shove it up your ass man wouldn't do that no oh I'm really pleased for you Jody is he's SBS by the way not yes what is he special boat service oh it's even it's even much cooler than the air service it's so

exciting we would have got them out tonight to find out yeah yeah oh you know what also with the pub that's Andy very very very but no I find we don't we we've got it we just we've got things right you know we went quite foodies we're two rosette so we're gastro-y so we find that gastro way it isn't it isn't spit and sawdust which is great which is a wet pub where you often find a little bit more and tussle so we're a little bit more kind of finer dining it's more nice Saturday night out yeah Sunday night it's not the sort of let's pop in for a quick pub lunch yeah yeah exactly and play some darts it's a little bit more not

that I love watching darts but you go there for a nice wine exactly I get it it's one of those because we had to make it a bit destinationy as well for people to make an effort to come to us to you know have a birthday treat or yeah to celebrate something And I'm going to ask a big question now. Dog friendly? Of course. In the bar area.

We've got the main... We're going to go to the bar area. Well, Ray and I often do... Which is lovely. Which is just gorgeous. It's a lovely... Ray, that's going to be our next one we're going to. We often do dog friendly travels around the country.

Oh my God. So we will. We'll come down. You've got... Well, we've got my number. Yeah, we will. Ray, we're going to do that. It's going to be so fun.

It is, I mean, but the thing is I got it two years before a pandemic and then two years before I think pretty much the world has completely gone completely haywire but you're kind of committed to it now we after having a tiny little pub like that and getting through a pandemic um we are so pig stubborn now that if we can survive that there's we're not going to let anything else I would agree with that I think if you've got through that Yeah, we're like, can you imagine? And then we go, oh, God, you know, the straight of Hormuz closed us because we can't afford oil. No, we've battled pandemic, so we're going to.

So, Jody's this dog? I can't believe how cute this talk is. Dirty. Can I, were you named, is this rubbish on your Wikipedia page that you're named after Jodie Foster? No, I don't know where that came from. Why did they make things up? I knew, I thought, I don't believe they named her after Jodie Foster. I mean, Dad, I think, said it once that a kind of, he does, he does actually say that.

But I don't know, Dad is, you know, he's a master storyteller. So I don't know whether that's kind of grown over the years. Are you all J then in your family? Yeah, because my grandmother had. That's Kardashian. Is it? Because they're okay. Yeah, you're right.

Kim, Chloe, Kendall, Kylie. Yeah, you're right. And Courtney. I didn't even think of that. Keeping up with the kids. We did it because of horse rugs. So my grandmother had horse rugs and they all had lovely J.K. And she spent a fortune on them.

So she was like when dad had his kids, she was like, you can hand these down. You've got to all be Jays. So dad is, his sister is Jane. And then there's Jack Jemma Jody. Yes, we're all Jays. I love that. You can hand, you know, pass over our tuck boxes from generation to generation. Do you know, Jody, I'm so impressed at how you sort of navigated.

your life I guess. Well, I think it was a do or die, wasn't it? Well, yeah, but some people die. Well, yeah. I mean, what I mean would die is some people choose the path that it's not right for them. Yeah, absolutely. Whereas I know you were saying it was physically

you know, taking over your life and you had no choice, but some people still have no choice in what I'm saying is they still don't feel they have the agency to say, I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah. And I love that even as a young woman, Yeah.

That you advocated for yourself and said, no enough. Yeah, done. Done, done, done. I think that's so impressive to do that back then, when women didn't really have agency like that. No. There was no HR in the modelling world. I also think what you went on to do after modelling,

I think that was really significant because you went on to show yourself you were so, you know, particularly the fact that you were doing active, traditionally male things, I kind of. loves that happened. That pivot, I think, was sort of... I think it was that moment, that top gear moment, wasn't it, when I went to the top of the board, and let alone being a woman, but then being a model. Yeah. Models were always notoriously kind of, you know, dumb and you just look pretty and be quiet. That must have been a great moment for you. I mean, it's still incredible. It was 20 odd years ago and there's still people coming up to me going, your top gear that was amazing. I was like,

Bloody hell. Incredible. Did they want you to, like, co-host that or something for a while? No, but I went in to do kind of... You work with presenting. I did a few things with Jezza. And then I did the classic car show. And then I've got Kid in a Sweet Shop, which is my car.

Yes, this is on YouTube, isn't it? Which is great. Which is just awesome where I go around the world interviewing people that love cars. So I'm not a reviewer. And I don't get in a car. Well, I mean I do occasionally if it's a unicorn, but I just go and talk to people that love cars. I've designed amazing cars or have amazing collections or, you know, run teams or so it's really, it's wonderful excuse for me to keep my toe in the motoring world because I kind of had to stop motor racing when I had indie.

Yeah, because I wanted to be on the side of a football field with me. him every Saturday. This is your son, isn't it? Yeah, I didn't want to be, you know, kind of in a, in a garage somewhere at some racetrack and missing his childhood, because I suppose I've only got one, but it was something that I was very... That's Raymond. Excuse me? It's Raymond. Excuse me? It's Raymond. No. Oh, we've got one more. Have you spotted something else? No, that's your brother. No, that's Raymond. I think he's got bad eyesight. Darling, what's happened?

You've only done a 47 mile walk with him. Right, you? Right, sorry, let's go back. Otherwise, we're going to be... It's lovely, isn't it? Like a lovely walk for. And you're a very calming person to be with. I think you have a quite good energy.

But even then you were quite calm. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. We knew we were going to find you. We've got a good 20 minutes walk back, but this goes very woody. This is a good. very different right Raymond whereas the other side was very kind of open and now we go into the ends where the ants live it's lovely are you a Tolkien fan yeah well this is

where the ends live am I still allowed to be I always forget which ones have been cancelled no I think it's okay I mean there's probably something problematic I don't know in Tolkien yeah I don't know come on Ray what are you doing do you want to get attention to have been cancelled many times myself over the years do you know what I like certainly said earlier you're right I think you were one of them were first poster girls for cancellation you were cancelled I was no I mean I laugh about it now but it was

horrific and actually like I say pretty dramatic when you look back as well at the way Britney Spears and the way these women have been treated oh my God there was some horrific I mean he than Kate Winsett, who's been a real advocate of standing up and saying how disgusting it was for such a young, beautiful, talented actress to be put on every paper about being called fat after Titanic, and then I'm on every newspaper of being too skinny, and then, oh, it was really, they were blinking brutal and obsessed with image. Yeah.

You know, which... Did you ever have anyone sort of person? come up to you and oh yeah oh god yeah I couldn't go anywhere without someone kind of coming up what would they say oh well there was this one time where someone came up and accused me of being and kind of like the poster child for their daughter who's got anorexia and was very very upset which of course was mortifying yeah kind of added to my reason of wanting to leave that world and get back to sports in some kind of way. So, yeah, it was horrendous, but I think I was just so blinkered that I was just, yeah, just put it all in a box and buried it deep.

and that's probably where the anxiety came from and then went on to start racing cars which of course is the most ideal profession to do when you've got anxiety. Although in many ways is it good because you're someone, I'm going to armchair analyze you is clearly someone who likes to get dopamine hits

and adrenaline spikes. Well that's what I wanted to do was to completely deplete my adrenaline. gland on the racetrack that I would never have anxiety at home. I think it's true. I always said I started I remember when I started doing I used to a breakfast radio show with Frank Skinner for years. Oh amazing. Frank I said to him I said do you know when I started doing that I said I think I'm becoming a bit easier to be around for my family and he said why do you think that is? I said because I can be yeah and I can be a monstrous show off for three hours every Saturday.

Yeah. And then it makes me less exhausting for everyone. Do you think it was the same with the motor racing? Yeah, 100% were you a concentration? Oh God, another big dog. What are these? The concentration, the adrenaline. They look like dears, Jody. Yeah, they're amazing.

What are they? Oh shit. Dutton's going to have a shit fit. Dutton. Dutty. Dutton. It's all right. Dottie.

Doggies. Dutty. Dutty. It's all right. No, no, no. No. Gush. Good.

There you go. Come here. No, Dave. Dave. Stay. Dave. Dave. Dave.

Sorry. Sorry. It's all right, darlings. Thinks he's got legs. They're actually very sweet these dogsies. They're very sweet. There's so many. Beautiful.

No, they're very sweet. No, they just want to be friendly. It's all right, my darlings. I know. They're actually very good. As soon as I went, no, they were very obedient, aren't they? You're good doggies, aren't you? They love sausage.

Dave. Lovely to meet them all? What are they all wickets for Graham? This is going to be the most. most chaotic podcast. Are they all siblings? The Kardashians. Lovely to meet you.

Absolutely fucking man. Jody, what about your dogs have got some wet emph in them? I mean, it's ridiculous. They think this one, well, I mean, did they really think they were going to take on those five whippets? There were so many of them

just started coming. It was quite mad, wasn't it? It felt like so. They're not the most aggressive known to be the most to the most of the dogs. Whippets? No, they're very docile. The only reason that I have to be

a little bit careful with Ray is that they have a high prey drive and they see Ray as a rabbit. Yeah, it's happened a few times. Bantam! They didn't see if it was a chicken. Wouldn't you stop calling my shit to a chicken? He was so a chicken.

A chicken? No, a phantom e-walk. Do you know I was walking the other day and a child came up and said, excuse me, why does your dog look like a cloth? Oh! I love that. I love it. Who were out of all the models that you met was the nicest to you?

Well, I came in with this amazing group, which is like Jade Parfit, Erin O'Connor. There was like a really cool, young, hip, kind of lovely group of us that kind of came in and dominated everything. So I was with a lovely group, and then you know you kind of had the super's that so was it leoamia no no was there i mean when i did my early days i mean i would have been so scared you know helena was still walking um were you scared of them i was not i think i was quite cocky as a young kid yeah so i kind of like strutted around

so i wasn't too frightened of anyone and i think that that's because of You know, I was used to famous people. Like, because my parents' circle and, like, my godfather was, you know, James, well, first of all, James Godfather was Nigel Dempster, so he was always in the same circles. And, you know, George Lazenby was my godfather, who was James Bond. Stop. Yeah.

Okay. Stop right where you are. And I can't believe a plane is going across. I'm going to have to let that go across. Oh my God. Bye-bye plane. Lovely, look. What a beautiful day to go flying.

Is it all right? Bye-bye plane. Bye plane. That might be Jodie's fiancé. He gets up to all stores. Wouldn't surprise me there. Special boat service man. Jody kids, stop right there.

You just casually dropped in. Georgie Porgie. My godfather is George Blaisendley, James Bond. Are you kidding me? I know. Who's my favourite one? Is he? Yes.

He's the best. 100% the best? Yeah. Yeah. This is amazing. Yeah. You called him Georgie Porgie. And is he good friends with your dad?

Very good friends. And then dad's best man was Oliver Reed. Oh, my God. So I was used to kind of. He would have loved that part. Now, when I said our kind of family lunches on a Sunday, we're all a bit chaotic. Is it?

Ollie's round. Yes. They were all around. They all lived around here. So that was where I wasn't too kind of frightened of... No, your fucking godfather James Bond. Of course you're not frightened of anything. But you know what? I don't remember you didn't really talk. This wasn't like, I feel... I get what you're saying. It's almost like this was just normal to you. It was your I mean it was different. A dog's face, like an old man, I love it. So cute. He's gorgeous.

Hello. I love your dog. He's beautiful. Oh, is she a friend's dog? What kind of dog is she? She's a Viesla. Oh, Vizsler. Hungarian Vizler is it?

That's why she looks so smart. Hello Viesler. Gorgeous, aren't they? Lovely to meet you. Yeah. Mental, mental, mental. I mean, my parents were, we all had amazing godparents. Come on, I'm going to need to. Who else have you left out? Who else have you left out? I mean, Douglas Bunn, who owns Hickstead. Is that Jacks or something?

No, he was mine. Then Tony Greenborough, very famous doctor in London. Your parents have got all the bases covered. James Bond, high-end doctor. Hicksted. Yeah, exactly. Nigel Dempster. Nigel Dempster. But I would have been reaching because Nigel Dempster.

Ronnie Driver, so Ronnie Driver was Jacks who was Minnie and Kate Driver's dad. Oh yes. Yes. So it's an interesting thing that it's... There was a big cool group that my parents were in. Did James Bond ever turn up to your party's Georgie Paugey? Georgie, he moved to the... He was in Australia, was he?

Yeah, he was Australian and then moved to the US. US so there was a large part that I didn't see him and then got to see him a lot. So growing up he was always there fighting. He must have been really proud when you became so successful. I think so. I'm not quite sure he knew what was going on. But it's interesting because your parents, I love those kind of people. It's very, they're very sociable. Social open. That's why I said the house was always. I love that. mum didn't know if she was cooking for seven or seventeen you know it really was that people used to come pouring in and stopping off on route somewhere and and we were

always like and the same with the buns and Hickstead it was always very open one big massive family and people used to come and stay and kind of never leave and was it quite because your dad is so good at you know show jumping and quite sort of athletic and was it quite competitive your family? Very. Oh my God. Very. Yeah. In the sports field, slightly terrifying for competitive levels.

But did that translate to Monopoly and Cludeau? Do you know what to mean? Like, it's playing games in your family a bit stressful. It was all so bloody dyslexic. We were like useless at board games. Isn't that beautiful? Look at the woodland down there. This is absolutely stunning, isn't it?

Yeah, but I think. everyone was so busy in their profession growing up you know Jack was always riding everyone was riding we were out riding and your sister was riding as well yeah she was representing England really successful makeup artist as well amazing makeup artist yeah when we all kind of when all the family kind of split a bit and parents moved abroad and we lost my grandmother and we kind of like all went in separate ways a bit and the boarding school kicked in I think that all kind of subsided when the family home and when mum and dad moved to the US is that where they went to live then yeah they went between there and running Barbados as a business so is it a hotel in Barbados or something no we used to

put on festivals there oh wow so every year we used to have like three weeks of festivals we had Pavarotti sang there we've been another one I'm just feeling from Laysenby. I can't cope. And are your parents still together, Jody? Are they still with us? No, very sadly, separated. I don't know, maybe 15 years ago now. Right. It still must be quite, you know, my parents separated when I was a kid, but I imagine even as an adult, that must. I don't think there's a nice age. That's what I mean. I think it still feels like, oh, it's tricky, it's tough adjustment to make, isn't it? Yeah. And they haven't, none of them have really moved on. Yeah.

just a bit of a shame. You know, we haven't got broadened families. Yeah. So they're both kind of on their own. Right. So it's just kind of like, oh, that was sad. But anyway, you know, life is a funny old thing. Yeah. But yeah, so I think when we all kind of, we all kind of went our separate ways and then everyone just took up their professions. You know, Jack became a professional full, time professional polo player. Jen went off into makeup. It's amazing, amazing makeup artist and was Mary Greenwell's right hand woman

which was lovely because I would get to see them at shows and seeing your sister backstage. And you were modelling at the time. Yeah, when you were in Milan or Paris or New York and you're like feeling rather exhausted and homesick and you'd suddenly see your beautiful sister's face. It was a very nice feeling. And she's got married and had to kill.

Yeah, Gem got married, she's got three kids. Yeah. Unfortunately they broke up but still a gorgeous, wonderful, wonderful family. How lovely. How nice for your parents, though, they've got all these kids? Oh, hundreds, millions of grandkids. I think mum's got 20 odd. No, let's see, Darcy's got two boys.

Debbie's got two girls. Jack's got, I can't keep up, I had 47,000 children. We can't be thinking of all this. Just getting like Eddie Murphy at this point. on the track down the judge's children it's exhausty they keep popping up you keep popping up everywhere the life of a polo player

that is glamorous though isn't it glamorous I do what did you like riders then did you read riders I mean you have to or as I call it your dad's autobiography had dad's autobiography oh my god do but Campbell Black well bits are from the polo and the show jumping

I don't want to go in Of course you don't want to go into that. Isn't that gross when it's your dad? So, yeah, I think because dad was, you know, on the British team for show jumping and then went into polo. I don't know if many people had done that before. So everyone, apart from Rupert Camel Black has done it. And I can't wait to see rivals too. I'm so excited.

Did you like rivals? I loved it. As Jody calls it, my family album. No, shame, no. I'm going to start teasing you. I mean, it's not far off. Did you ever meet Lily Cooper? Yes, she was meant to be lovely, wasn't she?

One of the nicest people. I'm just so lovely, because she just loved her horses. So she was a keen supporter of Hickstead, which is where I said my godfather owned where my best friend now lives and that's the show jumping. Amazing show jumping place just outside. And I'm a director actually, third generation director. And it, I'm doing a plug now.

No, please do, why not? Just outside of Brighton and it is the most, they've got the Derby and they've got the Nations Cup. Yeah. And it is the most wonderful day out to go and watch world-class show jumping. Well, I'd love to go there, Ray. I'd love to go there. Oh, please come.

I'm going to come. Well, I'm definitely, I'm definitely going to come and see you. you at Goodworth, that is a deal because I've got to get the Afghan look together. Yeah, the Afghan 100%. I can't wait. And I'm so, it sounds like you've got so many things that you're passionate about that you're involved in now. You know? Pubs, pubs, motor racing.

Horses and show jumping. Yeah. What else do I love? I still love fashion. It's all of your godparents as well. Oliver Reed pubs, George Lazy's and Be. these fancy cars. He's still going, Georgie. Is he? Yeah, yeah, he's in LA.

Holding on for dear life. I've seen some pictures of him on social media and he looks great. Oh, he's so, well, he's just got the most beautiful bone structure. The bone structure. Yeah, a lovely man. I bet you weren't some, I would have boasted about that as a child. I would have told everyone at school my... No, I didn't think I never really said that to anyone.

Well, we've had a few pictures on maybe my social media. You're not very, but I can imagine you probably didn't. shouts about stuff like that. No. No. Not really. No, not ever. Um, but yeah. You know when you wake your panic attacks, what do you, did you find the best, did they stop now, Jody, or do you still, that's so good, isn't it? Well, I also like you just have to retrain your brain a bit and see when it's coming on or when there's something that might you need to understand what's going on in your body. Yeah.

And that you're not going to die. And that everything is going to be okay. And if you can just change through breathwork, through scenery, through getting up and changing scenes, like if you're, I used to get them like literally doing in a supermarket. Like the oddest time in a bath, anything. They used to just be calm, like blah.

Yeah. And so I can spot them now. And it's all about calming the brain of this panic that you're in. Yeah. And there's a number of different kind of processes so you can go through to change it. And then slowly over the years, very, very, very rarely. If I'm really tired, might be more susceptible. But though, it's something.

But it was terrifying when you don't know what's going on. And do you still sometimes has it kind of made you as a result of that? Because you still do modelling sometimes don't you as well which is great. Came back and did some work for Marks and Spencer's. Oh I love that. Oh my God I love M&S. Can I just say? Honestly, it's amazing. I go straight to M&S now.

Look at this. This is so pretty. Isn't it beautiful? Come here, doggies. Come here. No. No, I haven't, I'm, what? No, after the only cancelling that I would say was in modelling, I'm very... Yeah, but also you won't cancel.

Very advocate of doing good. You weren't cancelled for anything that you literally did. You were just cancelled for existing. The press cancelled for me. Yeah, but that's what I mean you were cancelled for existing. It's quite a weird cancellation. Yeah. Because you were cancelled for being 16 and having a false metabolism.

and other people shooting you in a certain way. That's not so odd. At least now when they cancel people, it's because they said or did something. You didn't even open your mouth. But I do think looking back on that now, most people would accept, I would put you in the category of a number of women

who were sort of treated really unfairly. Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's interesting when people turn around and they'll look at, you know, even with the Katie Price saga, it's kind of like, look at her doing a surgery. Look at it. And it's like, look at how you've made her life. Look at how difficult you've made her life. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Look at them running.

Good boys. Honestly, they're going to be so exhausted. Oh, they're going to be so tired, aren't they? Especially this one. He's a tiny little legs. I love it. This is the best thing for a sort of mental health walking. Don't you think it is, Jody? It's what cured me a million times over. And also being around horses.

The power of horses has got, they've got something very extraordinary going on with their energetic field. So immediately, as soon as you're around a horse, it does something to your whole kind of magnet. What's it called? like magnetism or your... Yeah, it does. Not your aura, that's too woo-hoo. No, no, I know exactly what you mean. It definitely, I found when...

It really does. Yeah. And don't you think... I'd never been... It's like your... I was going to say equanimity, but that's an equine. But you know what? I'd never really had much experience with horses

and then a weird thing happened. My sister died, long before her time. It was really sad. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Oh, I was really sad. She had cancer and she had two very small babies. So, you know, this is awful. But you know what was weird?

After she died and you're thinking, what am I going to do? This is awful. I just thought, I've got to get on a horse. I don't know where this came from, Jody. And it was like I was driven to do it. I'd never been. And I went, I ran this stable. So I went and I said, look, I'm old and I'm starting this old.

I'm 40. I don't know what to do it. And they went, great. Where did you go in London? Yeah, it was a place in London. It was just outside. It was called Trent Park. Yeah.

And I went there and this amazing instructor I got on, I started loving it. I started getting really into it. Wow. And there's something about being around horses. Yes. I couldn't explain. They're healers. What is that, Joanie?

They're healers. I mean, there's a certain amount of science behind, you know, when you're riding a horse and actually what it's doing is it's with your coxick, which is the bottom of your vagus nerve. and you're rocking it like this kind of movement and that kind of stimulates the vagus you go into the parasympathetic I'm really not making that sense parasympathetic or whatever and it kind of puts you in a sense of calm so there is a lot of science not that I'm nailing the science on it at all no but isn't that amazing that you just had a yearning after never never had it in my life never felt this thing and it was like Oh, fuck, Dutton.

Oh, is there? No, Dutton's there. Don't spake us out again. Dutton, don't do that. Don't show us. You call the episode, oh, fuck, where's Dutton? Deging us. Dutton, can we heart attack.

Poor Dutton. High drama, Dutton. You caused us high drop, but you know what. We got such a happy ending, didn't we? I want to hear the horses again. Yeah, when I saw, when I was just like I was driven, I can't explain. I thought, no, I've just got to get on the horse. Wow.

And I did. Still right? And I kept it up for a while. And then I was really proud. He was really proud of me because I fell off inevitably a few times. And he said, oh yeah, you have to do that. And I remember the first time he said, are you all right? I was in the woods and you know what it's like horse starts cantering, got spooked by something.

Yeah. And the more you lean forward. Do you know what, Jody? I loved being around horse people because there, there was a pragmatism to them. That was me saying, right, come on. Let's go. And I love that. it emotional and he was just what I loved is he left me and he went to grab the horses

and I was like what about me and he was so no because that's my priority is making sure the horses you're safe but I love that I loved the fact that he was like right you're going to get back on he said and then he did something really clever he said you strike me as the kind of person that would get back on yeah I thought right yeah I'm going to get back on very clever that's how you have to do so do you still ride quite a lot no I don't but I've got a retired old race hall Do you have a horse still? Yeah, he's retired. He saves him off the track and he's just getting old.

What happens normally with retired race horse then? Oh, don't. Oh, don't. It's going to make me so sad. I'm going to cry again. But is it, a retired race horse is, are they quite a challenge because they're temperament? They're thoroughbred, so they're normally slightly more highly strung than a usual, like a copy. It's a bit like a fashion, retired fashion designer.

Yeah. it's all models. How come you're not like that? Because I live here. Do you think that's what it is? Yeah. I don't, yeah. It wears thin with country fruit.

Occasionally I love to get the smart clothes on and doing fancy job and get hair and makeup and all dressed up and being in front of the camera again. It's lovely. That's different to being entitled, isn't it? Oh yeah. And you don't strike me like I've never imagined you saying, do you know who I am? Oh God, don't.

Being able to laugh at me, go, no, you have absolutely no idea. Unless you're over 40 or you're a middle-aged man that has a kind of a triumph in a garage that he likes to tinker on a Sunday. No idea. It's funny how that creeps in there. I remember once interviewing Robert Pattinson and he said, do you know, he said, I was with an actor on set and he said I just saw this guy he said it was a really nice guy but he said LA starts to get to you yeah and I saw this guy he said and he just

handed a water like that he just held his hand up for a water without looking at the person I think it's so awful and Robert Patterson said I just he turned around to him I loved him he went what you doing yeah like give people eye contact and say thank you everyone you meet on the way up you'll meet on the way back down that is for sure I don't know if this is the right car part I think this is isn't it I think but if If it's not, we can just walk there. I think we go along a bit further. Yeah, I think this is the lower car park.

Yeah, but that's all right. Should we climb over the gate? No, Dutton. No, Dutton, we're coming this way. Come on, booby. We're going to go to the... Come on, doggies. We're going to go to the other car park.

Yeah, I think there's actually... There is a road. You can go across the top. You don't want to go on the road. Oh, really? I think so. Famous last words. Don't trust mine.

this is right isn't it? No next one oh is it? Oh is it? So we do a left and then a left. Well we've got so freaking lost to be honest. We're amazed we're in the same county. It's been such a lovely walk. It's been one of the nicest walks of my life. I love you. This is such a treat for me. I know that to you this is getting lost to me this is a great day out. You don't understand. Oh yeah. I think we walk along the top here and there might be a little road too. This is where we came before. Is this where we came? No, this isn't. No, I think the bottom's down there.

How many car box in this goddamn area? Three. And they all look the same. They all look the same. I've only been coming over 20 years. Don't worry. Do you know who we need with us at all times? Special boat service.

He's normally taking control. How did you meet SBS? Are we allowed to know? I was fundraising for the ASBSA, which is the SBSA which is the special boat service association. And he was there and did you think, oh I like him. Yeah, they're very cool, all of them. It's so nice when they like you back. Of people, very capable.

How lovely. Yeah. I'm so glad you've met a nice. Yes. Yeah. You go through a few frogs. But you've got to go through the frogs. Oh, God.

Then you don't appreciate, otherwise you don't appreciate them. Appreciate the good ones. Don't you think? A hundred percent. Jody, kid, what a thoroughly wonderful human being you are. I have, I cannot tell you how much I've loved this walk. Oh, I've loved every minute. I'm so sorry that I got you lost and we were going round around.

Then we didn't lost the dog. Yeah, but I loved getting lost. Come on, baby. Raymond, we're getting back in the car now. Say bye. Right, Jody, we're going to get in our car. Bye-bye, doggies. Bye-bye.

you miss you love you love you baby miss you give me guys thank you is that all you is you you happy i love you i love you i love i'm happy i've got two dachshunds climbing all over me kissing me i love you so much and i'll come and see you soon by my angel um i'm going to come and see you at pub goodworth oh pub and goodworth goodworth more dog walks yes we've got a whole plan but definitely well's got my number yeah okay raymond you're going to come and say goodbye to jody Bye Raymond. Raymond, do you love Jody? Bye.

Next time I see you, I'm going to be giving you an ermes goodie bag. That's what you win, by the way. Just, you know, for the whole Afghan coat search. Why didn't you lead with that? I'm down immediately. We're going to enter. And then it will be a big scandal that we bribe the judges. Yes.

Jody, it's been a joy. Bye, boo. So goodbye, Raymond. Hi, Raymond. He's such a dude. I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog. We'd love it if you subscribed and do join us next time on Walking the Dog

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