Walking The Dog with Emily Dean - Jonathan Ross and Honey Ross (Part Two)

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

Ray and Emily are in North London this week for a walk with the fabulous Honey Ross, Jonathan Ross, Spooky and Pumpkin!Honey and Jonathan tell us about bonding through their shared love of film, and what it’s like to now work together on their new podcast - Reel Talk. We also discuss saying goodbye to beloved pets - and Jonathan and Honey tell us about the time that Eminem came round on a school night… Jonathan previously appeared on this podcast back in August 2017 - he goes into detail about his family history and origin story with dogs. You can listen to that episode here!Honey and Jonathan’s fantastic podcast Reel Talk is available wherever you get your podcasts. It’s genuinely a thing of total joy - so we really urge you to give it a listen. Follow Honey and Jonathan on Instagram - @honeykinny and @mewossyFollow Emily: Instagram - @emilyrebeccadeanX - @divine_miss_emWalking The Dog is produced by Faye LawrenceMusic: Rich Jarman Artwork: Alice LudlamPhotography: Karla Gowlett  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to part two of my chat with the wonderful Jonathan Ross and Honey Ross. If you haven't listened to Part 1 yet, get on it immediately, as I think you'll really love it. And Jonathan has appeared on this podcast before, so do go back and give that one a listen to if you fancy a bit more unmissable Ross content. Do get listening to Honey and Jonathan's fabulous film and TV podcast, Real Talk, because it's brilliantly entertaining. And I'd also be thrilled if you subscribe to us at Walking the Dog. Here's Jonathan and Honey and Spooky.

and pumpkin and Rayway. Oh hello, who's that little doggy? Oh, I'm so cute. Brussels Griffins. And this might be a cat. This is a Shih Tzu. No, this is an imperial. He's an imperial shih Tzu.

You keep saying that. What's the, what's the piggle called? Cookie. Cookie. Lovely. This one is human. His name is Teddy. Hello.

Hi, Teddy and Cookie have a similar hair start. Yeah. They found some sort of a dead fox or something. What's sweet little people? Oh, you know what? is tog poo that some not oh no no no no eating dog poo. Teddy has led them all astray. Oh well that's cookie no teddy's there teddy's fine teddy's not even you'd have noticed that you know they're giving the chance though

and on that note we're going to carry it up. Lovely to meet you. Spooky come away from the poop spooky not this why did dogs eat dog poo because it's delicious I know what is that so I think they can maybe smell the food it once was perhaps. Oh. This is lovely. How do you find that sort of interaction? I would imagine you quite like that sort of interaction Jonathan because it's quite... Which sort? Well just dog walking and how old, what breed, what name? Oh I like a transactional exchange, yes. Yeah. Much more so then. Yes, Webb. I like, you know, I kind of do like meeting people. Mm. I just don't like having to be stuck with them.

You know, like being in a circumstance where you have to talk. You don't like feeling trapped. But I'm sort of, you know, superficially very engaged, but really not until I've known someone for a couple years. The secret introvert. No, it's a secret. I keep banging on about it all the time these days. But nobody wants to hear it. Nobody, like, believes you, but you really are very introverted.

And what about you, hon? I know there's a quite simplistic sort of, you know, categories to put yourself into. What would you describe yourself as? I think I'm like dad, an extroverted introvert. So people would always assume that we are both extroverted because of how we can initially come across. But I think most of that is masking. We're extroverted introverts.

We don't go out. We like to work. At a party, we can twerk. We don't get too close, baby. That's our song. I love that song. That should be we should record that for real talk, intro. I want to talk about the fact that you're working with your dad at the moment.

Yes. And I genuinely mean this. I've saved this for the podcast rather than telling you IRL. Because as Frank Skinner once said, what's the point of ever telling me anything nice off air? What can I do with that? But you and your dad do a podcast called Real Talk. We do.

And I absolutely love it. Along with your mother, I'm one of its greatest fans. You're probably our biggest fans. Thank you for listening. It's so great, though, because I think what I love about it is your dynamic just really was. works and it feels natural. Do you know what I mean?

It feels incredibly authentic, which actually is not an easy thing to do sometimes. Do you know what I mean? Because people do that sort of phone voice thing. Totally. Whose idea was it? Did you sort of discuss it for a while and were there sort of any things you were worried about

before you started doing it? Well, also, first of, thank you so much for saying that. And that's so, honestly, means so much coming from you. That's so lovely a few. Well, we've spoken about this before, but I had been like, oh, we should do a podcast together one day and dad had gone, absolutely not. I said, look, I've got nothing against you,

but I'm not, I don't know whether I was doing anything I want to talk about. It must have been like six or seven years ago. So it was a long time ago. I mean, who's counting? I'm not holding a grudge. But I, you know, I had a podcast for a few years that I did with my brilliant friend Nadia Craddock

where we talked about body image and kind of, yeah, mental health and stuff. And I loved doing that, but I really, I love podcasts. I'm like obsessing about podcasts. But I had definitely wanted to do one where we, you know, where I or someone or me or dad talked about film or TV and dad had for a brief period a really wonderful film podcast as well

and then dad got approached last year I started working for Global I do a show on Classic FM I do two shows on Classic FM now but it's basically the same sort of show which are great with Friday night in the movies it's yeah it's classic FM at the movies it's on Friday's such a night Ray loves that show it's big with dogs he's obsessed with that show

I love that classic FM it's a very nice place to work and they're all very nice people there and it surprised me. It should have surprised me. They all like classical music. But they all play instruments and they're all listening to bark. Our brilliant producer is just like

the most well versed in classical music of anyone I've ever met. Her father is an award-winning conductor. So they said to me, they have a podcast on and they said, oh, we'd love you to do a podcast and they went, oh maybe. Because I'm not in a hurry to take on more work, generally speaking.

And then I said, I don't know what I'd do. And they came up when I did, which I thought it was quite a good idea, but was shot down. Then the guy who runs it, a guy called Krista, he said, I think you should do a film view thing. And I went, oh yeah, that's quite fun. I quite miss doing that. And I said, who should do it? I said, well, I think I should do it. If it's two voices, I think the other voice should definitely be a woman,

this being the modern times. And I was thinking around for people. And then he suggested, he said, what about honey? How would you feel about doing with honey? And I thought, actually, I'd love doing it with honey, but I wouldn't have suggested her myself. We didn't even do it at a trial? We just said yes and started doing it, didn't we? We did record a pilot, and then then the rest us history but I also remember you'd suggested another co-host who was also like about my age and a

Pisces and I was like if I was like how did it? Unbelievable. Do you know I feel really traumatised by him suggesting that to you. Who gives the shit that it was a Pisces? Why is that even in the conversation? Why is that even mention that would have really cut me to the core if I don't know. What the fact that they were the same star sign? Yeah. Putting that aside you know it's both of our special interests in many ways, you know, film, more so film for dad and more so TV for me. It's conversations we've always been having, you know, my entire life. It was always kind of our closest bonding thing was just watching movie after movie together. And so it's just really lovely to get the opportunity to have these conversations and get to spend time together

watching films and then just, you know, occasionally maybe going a little too hard in on them. What I really like is you had this conversation about baby reindeer. And it was so fascinating and entertaining to listen to it was your completely different perspectives of it. But how it sort of felt really nice to hear people kind of disagreeing and slightly warm family way. You know, there was nothing aggressive about it. And also I sort of understood it from your dad's viewpoint, but also from your viewpoint as well. Well, I think often, you know, there feels like at the moment a lot of animosity between generations, or at least that's kind of what's put out there.

That's what life is presented as of like, oh, Gen Z are so argumentative and they hate everything that came before. And it's like, no, I've got to have nothing but respect for, I mean, Dad, who's a boomer, even though he'll never admit it, is a boomer. By one year. By one year. One year. Give me that one year.

Cuspy. He's Cuspi. It feels really healing to be able to present conversations from different generational standpoints going, no, we can disagree or come from different places. and still have nothing but respect and love for each other, which we do, you know, like, it's not that deep as well. Like, it's nice that it's about film and it's about TV because it's like nothing worth fighting about.

Can I interrupt briefly? There's a small stream here, and they always go in. And what I always find very slightly unnerving, not no, I'm used to it now. They'll go in and drink from this freshwater stream here, and then they'll pee in it. Oh. And it's like, well, you're going to go back in tomorrow. Don't you realize it's really an odd thing to do, isn't it? In a way, it's recycling. They're giving back.

They take some and they give some back. But they're now enjoying what looks like fresh water. But we know, probably lots of other dogs as well. It's probably diluted dog. I'd question how fresh that water is. I wouldn't eat in a hurry to scoop up and drink it. Ray, you know, this isn't bold enough to climb down. Excuse me.

I'm going to take Ray in there. Come on, Ray. He won't go in there. He'll be sodden like a sort of j-cloth by the time to get him out. But can I say one thing? Yeah, please. Because, Em, I've got two close friends. You're one of them, whether you like it or not.

That's one of the nicest things he's ever said to anyone. Probably. And David Badia's the other one, right? Yeah. And I used to have big rouse with David about films because partly he doesn't really understand film. But he would... 28 days later.

He would... Yeah, we had a big... Were you there for 28 days later? And it was a pointless argument. I love it was such a big argument that's gone down in history. It was a pointless argument. What about Pearl Harbor?

I wouldn't have that kind of argument with him or anyone anymore. No, why not? I've become much more circumspect about film and I've become much more accepting of And once again, this is Jane's positive influence on me. I think, you know what? It's just not for you.

And it's just not for you. It doesn't make it a bad film. And it was remarkable. I didn't really learn that until I was about 55. And it was courtesy of my wife. But I did. And she is very, you know, like, I had always realized that obviously no one sets out to make a bad film.

And I'm always respectful of the amount of work and effort that's going into any kind of piece of cinema because it's a huge task. And the fact that any films are good is actually quite remarkable. because the number of opportunities to make mistakes far outweigh the choices that can actually steer it to being something worthwhile. But they do. We have so much great art in cinema and so much great entertainment. But I did used to take it quite personally when something wasn't good and feel quite angry. And when I started on the BBC film show, my early views, the first couple of years, I think I was far too brash.

You know, but then I softened over the years and became much more susceptible. And now I'm actually in a much kind of like more kind of a receptive state. for other opinions and other ideas. And I've always respected Honey. Anyway, honey does understand film. Often we've talked about films and she said things about them, about the subtext from which I hadn't noticed at all.

And I realized she was right. You've done that as well. You said something about a film which I hadn't realized and you were right. But I just didn't bother telling you. It's nice to hear, isn't it? But I think that comes with the empathy. But do you think as well, because you're a screenwriter, honey,

is that helpful in some ways? Because I think when you do something, it makes you go into something like that with a little bit more empathy anyway, because you're coming out from the perspective of, oh, no, I understand what the achievements are there. Do I mean, I understand the science behind what it took to construct that. Well, and it's also that thing of going,

you know, nothing on screens happening by accident. Every single thing you're seeing is a choice, whether it's a choice you agree with or not as another question. But I think there's also just something about growing up around it and then going into it. And, you know, I've been in the film industry now for nearly 10 years, just knowing the level of everything. effort every single thing takes, and it does give you more empathy.

It stops you from going, that's a terrible film, just in general, because you're like, well, no, like you said, no one sets out to make a bad film, everybody's setting out to make something. And sometimes it just doesn't click without likes and dislikes. It's as simple as that. It's like, you know, I know people who love certain kinds of films. Remember when we were to see kinds of kindness, that, by the way, we walked out of before the end?

We went in with such high hopes, and it really didn't do it for us. And to where, I'm yet to really speak to anyone who did do it for, but I'm sure they're out that. There was a person sitting next to us and they were talking, this guy sitting next to all these friends about film we'd just seen and said it was amazing. It's the best thing I've seen for years and I was eavesdropping of course because it was a small cinema arm. We do love to eavesdrop. And he said, yeah, I think it was a Romanian director. I didn't get the known film and he said the last shot, it's one shot for 20 minutes. It's one shot and I thought, ah, fuck off.

You know, it's just such pretend, to me that's pretentious nonsense and that's like attention getting filmmaking of the worst kind. I do not believe, once again, I haven't seen the film, so I may be wholly wrong, but I can't believe that serves the narrative. or the under temper valley in any really kind of justifiable way. But having said that, for him it did. For him it did, yeah. And so therefore it's valid. It was a great film experience for him.

I don't know what he really did like it. He's probably just saying that. Some people I'm like, you're performing this. But I do think since doing the podcast, especially because now we get exposed to so many other people's opinions around film, you know, have people going, have you seen that? Did you like it? And often it'll be something that I saw maybe didn't like.

But I'll be like, I'm so glad you loved it. And it really changed. I've softened around it. I'm very much like. look, as long as it worked for you, that's fantastic. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't mean it's bad. It's just not for us. You've always, from a really young age, though.

I think you've always been sort of almost precociously you were, sort of sophisticated about having quite adult conversations about film and TV. Well, if we're going to chat for fucking age, I'm going to have a sit down. That's very kind of you to say. No, but there's just brilliant observations you make, which had never even occurred to me. So, for example, you were talking about the kind of film. There was the genre of film that sometimes your dad,

would make you watch and it was men who are the best at shooting. There was a particular genre of film. I know where you're going with this. And your dad would say, oh, you'll love this, honey. Because that's again, he would enjoy that, wouldn't he? Oh, this is worth really connecting and showing me a piece of his soul. And he would sit around and say, come and watch this. And you would come in and say, what's the film like?

And you would do an impression of this old, very classic, normally black and white film. And it was like this. It was a lot of men in a town hall and it would be like, No, see, sir, I've got five papers here, five papers that say on the 5th of June. You were, in fact, in a courthouse. You were not where you said you were. It's a lot of that. I want to see that film. We've seen it together.

You're kind of doing 12 Angry Men there as well, aren't you? Yeah, it's a bit 12 Angry Men. Which is a classic. And also kind of like Miracle on 34th in some ways. I would often ask them to watch films which I'd enjoy the show and you realize how much the world had changed. Because I'd watch again, and I wouldn't find it particularly satisfying anymore because the pace will be led and compared to a modern film or sluggish. and the kind of, just the kind of dialogue itself felt kind of archaic. And so you would watch this films which I had seen as a child

because it was very little media available to you when you were young compared to now where they can see almost everything whenever they want. But it is you look at and they just don't stand that. I remember one Christmas thinking this would be lovely and I'll get everyone to watch. I can't remember whether it was the incredible Alasdair Sim version of Christmas Carol, still the best in my opinion, or whether it was a wonderful life, one year.

And I said, you've got to watch this course yet. And I look too bad enough about now and they were all to sleep. I've definitely got a couple of core childhood memories of looking around after you put on a film and you're out cold. Everyone else is out cold and I'm just alone watching a really way too adult film to me. This is genuinely your dream gig then. Because this is what you talk about all the time. It's our main point of contact.

We speak about a lot of things and you are an incredible father figure. You're an incredible father. True. Definitely coached me through a lot of things in life. But one of our favourite points of contact is talking about film. I do like to talk about, but I like talking about most things as long as it's not. the complexity of human nature, which I find tedious and off-putting. But you've been very good with that recently.

I try. I try and faint interest. No, I'm... What he helped you with most in life? Most recently, I went through my first big breakup and he was amazing with that. He was incredible, really helped me through a lot of that. And helped provide a soft landing for me when I was dealing with that. But he's, you know, he's a wonderful dad. Very few complaints, minimal complaints.

And those you have, I'm not interested. Okay, so best qualities from your mum and best from your dad. Oh, that's tough. I mean... Mine's a longer list, as I said. No, mum's... I mean, she's incredible. She's incredibly empathetic. She's so empathetic.

We are also, like, psychically linked. We're so connected. We share a brain, basically. To the point where our Instagram algorithms are identical, it's actually hilarious. She'll come in to... We share an office, and she'll come in wearing a dress that I'd been advertised the day before, and I'm like, oh wow, even the algorithm knows that we are one person. It's very funny.

She's, I mean, she's just, she's a genius. She's so brilliant. She gives incredible advice. But she, annoyingly, is almost always right about things. No, she's incredible. Best qualities in you, your honesty, your humour, your protectiveness. I'm trying to think. I mean, there's many.

Much to mind. Your general knowledge is incredible. I know that's not a great, but it has to. I've got to give that an honourable mention. His maths are amazing. And you should see him do a burpee. Genuinely, your general knowledge actually is quite stunning, though. I think people don't know that about you.

I mean, actually, you know, you are kind of a game show king now, though, so maybe they do. I've got some general knowledge, but you know, it's because I'm old. You know, if you live as long as I have, I'm 63, I'm 64 this year. If you're that old and you've paid attention, you will know stuff. You know, and if you're open to things. That's the one thing I don't like in people is when I meet people have no curiosity. It's one of the main problems I have with most politicians I met over the years. You know, they have very little curiosity for how other people live,

which is why they don't know how awful their policies tend to be, because they are blind to huge swaths of the population. You know, it's that curiosity in what others are going through and curiosity of what's happened. I think a very charming trait to have, and it's very helpful and useful for you. And that is something you have, you have an openness. You are always, you've stayed open. when others probably would have closed off. I stayed open and everyone else shut

in 1970s opening hours all day, Sunday and at 11 in the weekdays. And he has co-produced three of my favourite human beings in the entire world. That's so nice. Yeah.

He did a good job. Wait till you meet the other family I've got tucked away. Oh my God. Always undercutting. I really like it though. Once you understand it, I really like it. It's actually very endearing.

once you've pathologised it. Honey, all the extraordinary things that happened in your childhood, there was evil baby, there was Eminem coming around for Cherry Coke, which we haven't even touched by the way. We haven't even gotten into that. Jonathan brought him back after the chat show.

He did my show and we chatted off the show. I found out that he was a big fan of a certain American comic book artist and I was surprised that he knew this artist and I had some of his original art in my collection and I said, you're welcome to come back and see it. And I get a feeling he probably hasn't got that many friends. who are outside of the industry, you know what I mean? So it's probably quite, I suspect, quite nice for him to go somewhere that wasn't to do with music.

And so he came round and he came around off the show. And it was, I think I phoned ahead and said to mum, don't panic, but Eminem's coming up. She said, what? And so we all immediately panicked. And Harvey was ever because we found out Eminem was coming over on a school night. Because how could you not? But he was so lovely. He was so polite and well-mannered and just, he was going like, yes sir, thank you sir.

Thank you, sir. Like, it was the sweetest, really surprising. But I also think that's probably why you have such an openness to people, because I think you're meeting people that a lot of people make perceptions about and kind of form judgments about, and then you meet them, and they are never what you expect them to be. You know, very rarely are people, the projection that they're putting across, almost never. And I think that teaches you to kind of go into life with an openness, because you're like, well, your judgments are always incorrect.

like I don't think very rarely are your judgment's correct so it makes sense to kind of stay open-minded about what people could actually be like also your parents and in fact it was one of the few good things my parents did but you had a similar upbringing to me in some ways in that your parents didn't have that sort of line between children and adults in that you were welcome socially

so you didn't have that there's the kids table you would sit there and converse with adults and you know often the most entertaining people in the room, no offence. Very kind. So, but then that makes you quite portable, doesn't it? Yeah, definitely. I mean, that I think that's kind of what I meant earlier, like, I was born and then slotted into things, because that was just kind of how I was raised of like, you've got to hold your own at the dinner table with Eminem. Yeah. From a very young age. So it's a miracle that I'm relatively normal. I think that's an amazing skill that gives you.

No, definitely. I'm grateful for it. sure. Oh I've loved my little walk with you guys. This has been so nice. I really, I honestly genuinely recommend your podcast. It was touch and go I thought, oh God, this is going to be tough. Do you imagine when I was first listening to it? I mean, I imagine if this is terrible. Did you think about how people would receive it? Well, did it cross your mind? I still think about that. It doesn't enter my head at all. That must be so nice. I don't once think about. I just, no, it's there if they want it. If they don't want it, it doesn't matter. But I've never once thought about, oh, I wonder how this is going down.

But you're established already, and I'm less established in that way. No, it wasn't criticism of you. No, no, no, no, I didn't take it as one. But that's why I'm saying, I think it's easier for you to put something out and go, well, take it or leave it, enjoy it. For me, I think there is definitely kind of slightly more pressure because I think there will always be people who are kind of going, is she deserving of this? Or at least my perception of things. Which is a shame that you have to carry that around with, and I wish you didn't. I do all right.

Good. Could be worse. It's weird. I think you'll find this amusing. Because when people say to me, I read out the podcast, I'm much right saying, why are you telling me that?

I kind of don't understand it. Whereas when people tell me, I'm like, thank you so much. That means the absolute world to me. Who asked you? I didn't ask you. I'm glad you do,

but why are you asking me this? I don't think you like compliments that much. Oh, no, I used to struggle with compliments a bit, but it's not that it's a compliment even. It seems like an odd thing to say to me. It's a lovely compliment. I'm sure.

but it just seems like, you know, you don't have to say it. Well, that's why I've never told you off air. I save it for this. Well, and it meant a lot to me to hear it. Do you think you would ever get a dog home? I would love to get a dog one day. I think I just need to be ready for it. And I think I definitely, my kind of form of rebellion in some ways to grow up with nine dogs

was to become a cat person. I was like, you know what, I'm going to have cats. Because also they're a bit lower maintenance. Yeah. We did always have cats as well. I begged you to have cats. Remember we had before you, we had Merlin. Yeah, Merlin was amazing animal.

But Morden Mishon were mine and they still live with you and they are the nicest cats. They are really lovely. But I've got my cats at home. Spooky. Yeah, I dream of a time when I'm in a position and a place to have a dog. Because it's a lot of responsibility. I want to be able to do it really right. Good boy, Spooky.

What dog will you have, do you think? I think I'd maybe like a little kind of foxy dog again. I'd like maybe like a kind of long-haired chihuahua or something, a little. with a snoot. I like that kind of dog. But I definitely, I have friends who got dogs too young and I'm like, it really changes the course of your life. You really have to be serious about it. It's no joke.

You know, dog is not just for Christmas. Like, you really got to, you've got to be ready. Yeah, because you and Jane waited until you were, sort of had kids and didn't you, you didn't get it in the first? No, we did have one? Well, we did have one? Well, we did have, think we had tinkerbell. Did you ever meet Tinkerbell?

And your dad ended up looking off to her for a while. Yeah, because then we, I think we had Tinkabod just before we had Betty. Yeah. Or just after a Betty. It just was. When we had babies and a puppy, it was a bit too much. Unfortunately, we had someone who wanted a dog, and so we said, well, Tinkerbell can live with you.

And she had a very nice life with my dad and lived in France for a few years when he moved over there, where he still is. So Tinkerbell's no longer alive, of course, but it is a lot. And also, you know, it's really, this sounds Morgling, and I hope it's one depressed dog loves out there. But when you've got dogs, you've got to realize, you know, they're going to live, what, 15 years top most dogs. But most of them is, like, 10, 12, you think.

All they've got is that. like 10 summers with you. And so look this one, mounting me from behind. But, you know, so you might as well try and enjoy all the time you can with them because they haven't got that long compared to us. But you know, I do think about that often because you guys have been through, and again,

I don't want to keep it on a morning. You guys have walked that hideous path in numerous times now. And it never gets easier. It's such a painful loss. That day when you have to say goodbye. It's so hard. I even feel it with my cat.

Again, not to end on such a morbid note, but I'll sometimes hold my cats. I'll just be like, oh my God, one day I'm going to have to say goodbye to these beautiful creatures that I've raised. It's awful. So you just have to enjoy the summers you've got with them. And the autumn's and the winters and the spring. I'll say about your granddad as well. Yes. Look, that's so with pumpkin.

There's a random bark off in the distance and they see a dog that didn't make the bark and go and start bothering him. So when you have to have those conversations with the kids, would you decide what you were going to say? I can't bear it. Mind you, you were older when your dogs. Yeah, we were lucky. I think we kind of... Princess didn't die until I'd moved out. So you were still taking care of her predominantly.

Yes, yes. So I was visiting her, but I wasn't... You know, I understood that she'd lived a really long life. And same with all of them, you know, they really lived very full, lovely lives. But it doesn't make it easier. It's still so hard to say goodbye. Oh, I can't bear the thought of it.

You do think about it. them often as well you think about the dogs that used to be in your life and you think about all the time i was thinking about princess just the other day and i was thinking about um poeder the other day and snowball who left us recently you know so occasionally and you'll find you know that annoying thing it's almost like it's designed to upset you and apple does that thing memories from this thing you think don't fucking show me dogs that died five years ago with sad music over it or worse still happy music over it i can make you for you good moose don't show me a picture of my a dog who i loved 10 years ago died and you're playing something.

sort of trouble check a contract. A gut-wrenching photo montage. I did an asshole. Wow, wow. There's a picture of a lovely dog who I had to bury. Do you know, Snowball loved you so much, Charleston. He used to pine

when you left the room. Hey, what's not to love? He would pipe. But these ones do this. Do they? Oh my God. Well, I don't wish, this isn't me undercuttings because I don't like a compliment.

I think they do love me, but at the same time in all their lives, I have been the primary food giver. And so they place you in an alpha position when you're the person they look to you for regular supplies. You know, so there is an element of that in it. Do you place him an alpha position? Absolutely.

Well, that's why I've been able to devalue him now because I don't live at home anymore. Oh, like Daddy doesn't still spring for the occasional ganny skirt. I've been going through something, that's why. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Spooky. Pumpkin, stop that. He is phenomenally generous.

your dad or both your parents are but your dad it's so generous I always call it it's like having a meal with a sort of benign Tudor King to the extent where we went out for a meal recently and he ordered

so much food do you remember that hard that's not generosity that's just greed and stupidity that's like I've ordered it you're so generous to everyone but the chef was like please less order less

the chef came out of the kitchen and it was the owner of the restaurant It was the owner of the restaurant came out and pleaded with him to order less. And you ended up haggling with him. He was like, maybe just order one or two and you went three. Let's make it three. It's like, round it up. He says two, I say four we set on three.

It's the way of the world. Well, I've loved our walk. And can I say, I'm so grateful to you and Jane for having this child. Because she's rather wonderful. I think it's all about waving because you picked him up at the same time. And I thought, I don't remember siring that hairy beast. Well, I'm so grateful to my parents for bringing you into my life. No, honey has improved all of our lives 100-fold.

And we should say, Sir, Harvey and Betty, we don't want to leave them out of this. Oh, I love this bit here, Jonathan. This is the bit that I stopped us from walking down earlier because it's hard on their little feet. So I come over the grass. It's fine, though, but it's like more of a stony path. Isn't it beautiful, though? You get annoying joggers and people riding bikes, even though they're not meant to here. Listen to those doggies.

Here come a couple of. Here, come to trouble. Hello, bust boys. Christ. Look at the sight. Hello. Hello. The face on that buck is incredible.

Spooky. You wouldn't stand a chance, spooky. You're better than that. Honey, do you want to describe what's happening there? Two really big, glorious dogs have come bounding over. Oh, look at that one that looks like a little polar bear rolling around. That's gorgeous. Oh, they're back on their leads, the boys.

Yeah, because we're heading near the road. So Ray, I know you can carry. And Ray also stays very close to your feet at all time, didn't they? Yeah, he, you know, he loves being carried. He's got no problem with it at all. I wouldn't mind a bit of that. Who would mind being carried? If you both were being offered to be carried home after a walk,

as long as you felt safe, would you dispute it? It depends who's carrying me. You know what I mean? If it's a weirdo, I don't want to be carried. Also, you want to be carried in arms, not fireman's lift. I think some, like those big dogs there, who I would describe as exuberant. Bullies.

Well, they're the kind of kids who the parents describe as spirit is. They're kind of... They've got... When parents don't bring their sort of curb their children and go, oh, Tristan's terrible. He's always shitting in purple calls. Look at these black boys are here. Look, look how much...

Can I say one thing that I have always respected your parents for, and I'm going to sound about 98 when I say this, they've given you immaculate manners. No, but they were very hot on manners. They were hot on manners. Who do you fucking think you are? Was it more your mum? And what sort of thing?

Yeah, she was big on things like politeness. Very big on please and thank you. Can I say, in my defence? Very big on opening a card before you open a present. Yeah, I don't care about that's the stuff. But I've always wanted please and thank you to be said. Yeah. But I'm not bothered about card opening order.

But no, they were, you know, very, very on it with that always. But maybe I wonder if that was because you thought we would. be judged more harshly so you wanted us to be. No, wasn't that? Because that's how I think people should be. I agree. I don't think it was any kind of like, you know, I think you are sometimes judged more harshly than you would be if you didn't have famous parents. But I mean, he's just like, I want the world to be full of people who say please and thank you.

And I want the world to be full of people who are a little bit. And I'm sure there are many times when I have not behaved this by myself, but I want people to be sensitive with their surroundings and not be a nuisance to others. Yes. You know, and be aware that if you're out, I mean, your mum's big on this than me, but if you're out somewhere and there's, side of the people having a nice state don't play your music loud yes because they don't want to hear it okay we're coming to the end of this walk it's been a lovely walk and we've enjoyed being with you as always then oh my god oh look at pumpkin really has such a parisian cat walk i think she's she's such a little lady yeah she gets up for me she's the carrie bradshaw of dogs i've always

had good legs pumpkin needs the sex and the sissy music honestly it would suit her gate so beautiful right um thank you for having us oh i loved it aren't you going to pop in yeah but we have to pretend that oh i see pretend that the walk's done oh goodbye darling moire how lovely it's been you must come by more often i saw the johnson's the other day they're asking after you the johnson shall we winter in off today again this year bye bye bye way we love you don't worry one day you'll be free I really hope you enjoyed that episode of Walking the Dog. We'd love it if you subscribed. And do join us next time on Walking the Dog wherever you get your podcasts.